Hypersonic rocket "Zircon" will be launched a thousand kilometers

The Zircon anti-ship hypersonic missile will hit a target located about 1 kilometers from the launch site and simulating an enemy ship. These are the next tests of the new weapons will take place in November.

This information was received by the news agency TASS from its source in the military industry.

The tests were included in the November plan in advance. The rocket will be launched from the lead frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov". The interlocutor of the agency said that during the tests "Zircon" will be fired at a "sea shield" imitating an enemy ship.

The weapons manufacturer, according to the assumptions of journalists, is NPO Mashinostroyenia, part of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation. There they did not comment on the information received.

Earlier in October, another source of the agency in the defense industry said that Admiral Gorshkov by the end of 2020 will make three test launches of the Zircon hypersonic missile, one of which will hit a target simulating an enemy aircraft carrier.

The previous rocket launch was made from this ship on 6 October. Then "Zircon" destroyed the target at a distance of 450 kilometers.

Videos from previous tests of a hypersonic missile:

Comments

[Maki maki]

The characteristics for the anti-ship missile system are, of course, impressive.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Maki Maki

The characteristics for the anti-ship missile system are, of course, impressive.

the main thing is that during the tests everything would be confirmed!

[The popuas]

Interestingly, the shield is stationary or will move

[Stasi]

Quote: Popuas

Interestingly, the shield is stationary or will move

For the GOS, since it has already captured the target, it does not matter whether it is moving or standing, especially at such speeds and maneuverability as an aircraft carrier and in general - surface target.

The question is, how will the Zircon warhead be brought to the target? Who or what will "highlight" it, and how?
This task is also one of the most technically difficult.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stasi

The question is, how will the Zircon warhead be brought to the target? Who or what will "highlight" it, and how?
This task is also one of the most technically difficult.

Not just a standing target, but moving at a speed of at least 20 knots, and in an unplanned direction.
Unfortunately, we do not have a satellite constellation of naval target designation and reconnaissance from the word at all. Liana is "lame" on both legs and when she will cease to be such a big question.
Most likely, target designation for anti-ship missiles will be issued by an PLO aircraft or a drone.
Earlier, in the USSR, it was not Legend that gave target designation to our long-range anti-ship missiles, but the Tu-95RTs aircraft with the "Success" complex. And now we don't even have an analogue of the "Success-U" system, from the word at all.

[bk316]

Liana "lame" on both legs

Tundra finished and Liana finished
In general, the task of issuing target designation in any place in the world ocean is too ambitious, enough in the Pacific region. Augs will not stick into the Baltic and the Black Sea, but in the Mediterranean and the Barents Sea they can be seen even without a vine. The one that is not very lame.

[Warrior-80]

If you think about it, then there should be no problems, it is enough to detect the target from the satellite and transmit the coordinates, it is not necessary to constantly highlight, the speed of the aircraft carrier is 30 knots (50 km / h), the speed of zircon is Mach 8, that is, it will cover 1000 km in 10-15 minutes, the aircraft carrier will leave for 10-15 km during this time, I think it will not be difficult for the zircon self-study head to capture such a colossus at such a distance

[Dodikson]

8 swings is more than 2.5 km sec, that is, 1000 km is 400 seconds, and this is less than 7 minutes, you can round up to 7 minutes for start, acceleration and all that.
so it will definitely not go away. I already wrote a lot on another forum that not even a satellite, but a ZGRLS will allow you to find a target and shoot at the specified coordinates (there the error can be up to 90 km, but this is already for 3 thousand km of detection, for 1000 km there should be something in the region of 40 km), and there the GOS itself will find the target.
I'm more interested in the jamming immunity of the seeker and its type.

[Charik]

fish will push-shield, from this he will imitate the enemy's avik

[Machito]

Zircon, say hello to AUG. 1000 km is already a serious distance. Skeptics, smoke validol. I smell that this is not the limit of the distance. Give me a polish !!!!

[PN]

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

[sergo1914]

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

CAM. Personally.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

CAM. Personally.

Personally, ITSELF will give an INDICATION!
And target designation for such a range is only space, well, maybe from the SPS / PLA through the central control center ... Another is difficult to organize according to RTR data - an accuracy of 1 degree on such a D .... you won't get into the spot! The GOS will not be able to select an error in the control center.
Somehow, I "kaaaae" ...
Although, options are possible, but they are not known to me.

[sergo1914]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

CAM. Personally.

Personally, ITSELF will give an INDICATION!
And target designation for such a range is only space, well, maybe from the SPS / PLA through the central control center ... Another is difficult to organize according to RTR data - an accuracy of 1 degree on such a D .... you won't get into the spot! The GOS will not be able to select an error in the control center.
Somehow, I "kaaaae" ...
Although, options are possible, but they are not known to me.

HE sees through space.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: sergo1914

HE sees through space.

What again did the Argentine special equipment get?

[Charik]

not Colombian? -Argentina only transit

[codetalker]

Maybe its main targets are stationary objects?) And how will it be used for 500 km

[Boa kaa]

This one will be on the MTs (it is said that the SHIELD will be installed beyond 1000 km!), And on the shore - then another "PESTNYA", Gorshkov has already fired. But such a product will surely come with an SBP. To be sure and immediately!

[Tugarin]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And target designation for such a range is only space, well, we can be from the KNS / PLA

I agree, Liana is being formed for this.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

And whoever gave target designation during the tests of Zircon on October 7, 2020, will give target designation in November.

“Yesterday at 7:15 am from the White Sea the frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov fired a Zircon hypersonic cruise missile at a sea target located in the Barents Sea for the first time as part of flight tests. The launch tasks were completed, the firing was recognized as successful, and the missile hit the target directly. The rocket's flight range was 450 km, the maximum altitude was 28 km, and the flight time was 4,5 minutes. A hypersonic speed of more than Mach 8 has been achieved, ”reported Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2020-10-07/394596-voenno_morskie_sily_rf_ispytali_ubiytsu_avianostsev_giperzvukovuyu_raketu_tsirkon

[Grandfather]

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

it interests. "Aircraft carrier" on "barrels" will stand?

[Igor Semenov]

Except for the Il-20M, there is no one else. Or the location and movement parameters of the target are known in advance

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Igor Semenov

Or the location and movement parameters of the target are known in advance

This is the same as yesterday's weather forecast for the day before yesterday.

[Igor Semenov]

How can I say, if I tell you in advance where I am and when and where I will go, then you will definitely meet me

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Igor Semenov

How can I say, if I tell you in advance where I am and when and where I will go, then you will definitely meet me

Of course I will meet But the Yankees are different

[Igor Semenov]

Sure. But we are now discussing the topic "how to hit the target in the exercise"

[O. Bender]

And at what distance from the target? the quality in this case determines the range and the probability of hitting a maneuverable target; in this case, throwing ammunition in a missile at 2000 km is not even half the battle.

[Rudkovsky]

The conscript sitting inside the rocket will look through binoculars and steer.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

1000 km - good, poltorashka - wonderful, excellent, beyond praise, but the AUG and the aircraft carrier itself is a relatively high-speed, maneuvering target, who and how will carry out target designation at such distances ???
Or are such distances nothing more than the maximum flight range, and the target hitting radius is noticeably smaller? Or a similar range is done "with a margin for the future," in the hope that over time we will have superdrones that provide target designation, proper satellite constellation and other necessary elements, and then ...

[Orange bigg]

All new well-forgotten old. Take for example anti-ship missiles Vulcan with a range of destruction of 700-1000 km. By the way, Vulcan has long been in service.

[Vadim237]

"Who and how will carry out target designation at such distances" Probably Russia already has a constellation of satellites created specifically for tracking and issuing target designation for sea targets.

[Igor Semenov]

The problem is that even with a constellation of satellites, the target designation problem is not solved.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Vadim237

Probably Russia already has a constellation of satellites

Perhaps this should be reflected somewhere. At least in general terms. And it will turn out like with Armat. There is a tank for network-centric wars, but there is no system for waging such wars.
"The giraffe is big - he knows best" is somehow not very inspiring. I would like to be specific.

[matross]

Quote: Hyperion

I would like specifics.

The specifics are sov.secret. To disperse an object to hypersound is a long-standing problem. And about control and target designation in the press will not write. This is either something breakthrough in science for the whole head, or the rocket is planned to be used exclusively with SBS. The rest is a horse in a vacuum.

[NEXUS]

Quote: matRoss

And about control and target designation in the press will not write.

Liana does not work in the parameters that were intended. Not all satellites have been launched into orbit and we do not have other effective means of target designation for naval moving targets. And at such distances, target designation is needed in real time so that the anti-ship missile system could correct its flight. And here the second problem emerges ... how will the anti-ship missile system receive data on target designation and target movement while in a plasma cocoon?
I believe that the developers relied on the speed of the anti-ship missile and most likely developed the seeker, so to speak, with an increased target search angle. That is, a bearing is laid in the anti-ship missile, and it is launched towards the target. At the same time, it will cover 1000 km in 8 minutes. At the AUG speed of 20-25 knots (standard), the target will move 6-8 kilometers from the point set by the anti-ship missile system. And when the anti-ship missile system approaches the target capture distance of its seeker, it slows down, getting rid of the plasma cocoon and enters the target at up to hyperspeed (Mach 4). But the flight algorithm of the anti-ship missile system can be different.
But with all these layouts, I am convinced that there must be an echeloned system of naval target designation and reconnaissance. But alas, neither Liana nor Kasatka are working today.

[nobody75]

And when the anti-ship missile system approaches the target acquisition distance of its seeker, it slows down, getting rid of the plasma cocoon and reaches the target at up to hyperspeed (Mach 4)

Excuse me, the Cvy has a thick wedge-shaped body at <4M, what will it be? What is the nature of the flow around a GZLA in a "plasma cocoon"? The lift force at hypersonic speeds is formed due to the jump, and in the "plasma cocoon" due to what?
Sincerely

[Hypertension]

Quote: matRoss

The specifics are sov.secret.

It's clear. But so essentially there is no control over the gentlemen from the MO. Whatever they say - believe everything? Honest blahardy word? And this is in Russia, where it is just right to put a police officer on hand and on the lips to beat him on the hands and lips for theft and false promises.

[matross]

Quote: Hyperion

But so essentially no control over the gentlemen from the MO. Whatever they say - believe everything? Honest blahardy word?

The only way. No public control. Controlled by those who are supposed to. With tolerance. And information in open sources in strictly metered quantities. As well as leaks.

Quote: Hyperion

And this is in Russia, where it fits

And it's everywhere. Where at the right time and at the wrong time. This is how the world works.

[Larch]

who and how at such distances will carry out target designation ???

As far as I remember back in the late 80s, satellite optics allowed reading a newspaper, then current technologies can do much more, and if there is an anti-ship missile with a range of 1000 km or more, it means that they provide targeting. If you are a skeptic of the range of anti-ship missiles, you can leave missiles with a range of 250 km and that's enough, the Americans will definitely find their hypersonic analogue how to aim!

[set of sets]

Persuade the Americans to use an aircraft carrier as a test target. After all, it is not difficult, because there is no one to give target indications. I think they will agree without any problem. Moreover, these are all cartoons. And Russia has nothing at all))

[Lesorub]

Quote: Bearded

Zircon, say hello to AUG. 1000 km is already a serious distance.

A thousand are most likely not a chapel, and this is really impressive!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Bearded

I smell that this is not the limit of the distance. Give me a polish !!!!

Do what you want, but I earnestly ask you, stop bombing Voronezh, the boys there are already in shock!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bearded

Skeptics, smoke validol.

I do not know what there is with validol, but I have a question for you personally - HOW WILL THE TARGETING BE CARRIED OUT IN REAL TIME ROCKET, BEFORE THE MOMENT WHEN ITS GOS CAPTURE THE TARGET IF THE TARGET MOVES AT A SPEED OF 20-25? And the main thing is what?

[Charik]

yes at least 10 thousand, the range and angles of capture of the seeker are probably more important

[Grits]

Quote: Maki Maki

The characteristics for the anti-ship missile system are, of course, impressive.

Another would be to have an impressive target designation.

[Mytholog]

imitating an enemy aircraft carrier

So that it is immediately clear to whom we are sending greetings)

[Orange bigg]

And even so it was not clear to protect against whom this weapon.

The hypersonic Zircon, according to the November test launch plan, should cover a distance of about 1 kilometers. Shooting will be conducted from the board of the Northern Fleet frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", - said the agency's interlocutor.

He added that the missile should, as part of the tests, hit "a sea shield imitating an enemy ship."

https://iz.ru/1081275/2020-11-01/istochnik-raskryl-podrobnosti-ispytaniia-giperzvukovoi-rakety-tcirkon

[Igor Semenov]

Well, as if by default it is not supposed to shoot "Zircons" at minesweepers

[max702]

Why not then? The minesweeper will be more expensive than Zircon ..

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Mytholog

So that it is immediately clear to whom we are sending greetings)

And there are a lot of options, because this event will make absolutely all countries that are armed with aircraft carriers feel sad.
The appearance of this class of anti-ship missiles means the end of the era of aircraft carriers, whose role will no longer be decisive. And from now on, any AUG will be an extremely vulnerable large concentration of floating crafts.

[max702]

Only here is the sunset of the fleet as such ... And if it turns out that the Zircon can be 1000 km away (and, most likely, maybe even more if they officially announced 1000 km), then the fleet is all .. You can fasten such a seeker to the Daggers / Iskanders .. Then it will become clear why MO completely laid the bolt on naval affairs, building ships to a minimum ..
rs: Then Kuzya urgently needs to be sold ..

[Tank jacket]

"How not to catch a cold at your funeral" (c)

[Grandfather]

Quote: Tank jacket

"How not to catch a cold at your funeral" (c)

forgot about the "toilet" .... please be understanding, there is no time to swing, they are in hell, we are in heaven ...

[Tank jacket]

"Why do we need such a world if Russia is not there?" (c)
I remembered the conversation between Andrei Kozyrev and President Nixon, - one of the interlocutors told Putin. - About the fact that Russia has no national interests, but only universal human interests. Nixon then shook his head.

“This suggests that Nixon has a head,” Putin immediately noted. - And, unfortunately, Mr. Kozyrev does not. The box is cranial only. But the head, as such, is not.

[Whirlwind]

With such missiles on frigates and missile cruisers are not necessary.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Whirlwind

With such missiles on frigates and missile cruisers are not necessary.

This is if a "flag demonstration" is not planned and the solution of some tasks in the far sea zone ...
A cruiser-class ship may be redundant, but destroyers, as ships of the class, whose displacement will allow the deployment of a "package" of weapons, including the "Zircon", and with sufficient autonomy and seaworthiness, I think are necessary.

[Whirlwind]

I am also for Leader-class URO destroyers. The ship is handsome!
But as they say - "There is a desire to buy a car, but there is no possibility. There is an opportunity to buy a goat, but there is no desire."
At the moment, we are proceeding from the possibilities, and they, in terms of frigates, are not bad.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Whirlwind

I am also for Leader-class URO destroyers. The ship is handsome!

Well, the Leader, in terms of size and displacement, is almost a cruiser, an oversized destroyer ...
I meant ships without nuclear power plants, more modest in size ...

[codetalker]

Under your description, probably 22350M is planned

[Insurgent]

Quote: codetalker

Under your description, probably 22350M is planned

About
7 tonnes of displacement is neither a lot nor a little, but just ...

[My doctor]

Quote: Whirlwind

With such missiles on frigates and missile cruisers are not necessary.

Really? The frigate will not fit both anti-submarine defense weapons and air defense weapons. Only one of the two can be placed on a destroyer in full.

[Whirlwind]

On a frigate, during construction, an additional section can also be cut in to accommodate air defense and anti-aircraft weapons. It is also possible to use the "Open stern" principle, with the installation of the necessary weapons depending on the assigned combat mission ...
But of course the destroyer URO "Leader" would be the solution to the tasks of ships in the oceanic zone. God willing we will live to see the "Leaders" ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Whirlwind

It is also possible to use the "open stern" principle

Eugene, well, you give!
"Open stern" is in the sense of "no pants" !?
This will become a reality if our economy is "torn to shreds", as our partners dream behind a puddle ...
But for now, Gardorika stands on the hill and does not stagger. It is difficult, but we will endure, because we ourselves want to live and think of our children and wives! We remember our parents and ancestors ... we don’t forget.
And the principle of "open architecture" software is from another area.
In the fleet - UKSK, and a set of beaters (options, as is customary today to be expressed)
This will be implemented at 22350M, where they will add cells, install both 3M22 and a new PLURO complex, which is being tested at Kasatonov ...
Of course, I would like all at once and a lot! But - each vegetable has its own term.
IMHO.

[Whirlwind]

I am for "Leader"! Everything else is love by design ...

[Boa kaa]

Eugene! LOVE can be only one - AT THE FIRST SIGHT !!!
The rest is from the evil one!
And "by calculation", with the preparation of a "marriage contract" - this is cohabitation, with its own goals for each of the partners. In this case, Romeo and Juliet doesn't even smell ...
But.

[Whirlwind]

At first glance, I liked the "Leader". Let's wait, hope and believe that the Russian fleet will acquire this ocean handsome man on the mountain to the foe!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Whirlwind

With such missiles on frigates and missile cruisers are not necessary.

in general, a dry cargo ship with a container is enough, nafig the military fleet.

[Whirlwind]

There is already a nuclear submarine "Belgorod" with six "Poseidons". Everyone can destroy life on Earth.

[Winnie76]

There was information that Poseidon had 2 Mt. This is by no means a ram sneezed

[Whirlwind]

There was information that Poseidon might have a cobalt shell, and this is a complete kirdyk to everything. Germs and those sneezing will stop ...

[Grits]

Quote: Whirlwind

Germs and those sneezing will stop ...

In any case, American microbes, those that live along the coast of the United States, will certainly be completely disinfected.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Whirlwind

There is already a nuclear submarine "Belgorod" with six "Poseidons". Everyone can destroy life on Earth.

cho is not enough ... not 100500 by chance?

[Whirlwind]

It is necessary to put emoticons, readers do not understand you ...

[Igor Semenov]

emoticons must be set readers don't understand you

[Alex777]

With such missiles on frigates and missile cruisers are not necessary.

And who will think about air defense / missile defense / PLO?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alex777

And who will think about air defense / missile defense / PLO?

IT !!!

[Lexus]

#whoeslineon

[Charik]

-Leningrad ......?

[Grits]

Quote: Alex777

And who will think about air defense / missile defense / PLO?

When at a distance of 1000 km. within a few minutes any target is destroyed, then it's too lazy to think about air defense / missile defense ...

[Lex_is]

When at a distance of 1000 km. any target is destroyed within a few minutes

Well, not Zircon, but straight "Death Star"!
And the enemy's nuclear submarine Zircon himself will detect and destroy within a few minutes?
And Zircon will tear the enemy aircraft to shreds?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Lex_is

Well, not Zircon, but straight "Death Star"!
And the enemy's nuclear submarine Zircon himself will detect and destroy within a few minutes?
And Zircon will tear the enemy aircraft to shreds?

Because Zircon was developed at the Department of Netanalagafnetics under the leadership of Chubais and the supervision of him himself, and their srakets are cooler than the "Death Star" itself!
Colleague, stop tormenting the putriots with your questions, let them frolic and bomb the whole world in their fantasy.

[Lexus]

Those who hold back even "Zircon" or a strap-on will be "hammering" than indicated.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: lexus

Those who hold back even "Zircon" or a strap-on will be "hammering" than indicated.

Something you can't see fighting clamps, probably the spiritual brace is unbending from the statements of the Ministry of Finance about the new five-year plan to seniority and 100 thousand reduction

[Alex 2020]

I wonder how target designation and guidance will be carried out at such a distance? Throwing blanks at stationary targets is one thing (and it doesn't always hit). Shooting at a moving and even more maneuvering target, besides having good air defense, is completely different.

[Fungus]

I do not think that the aircraft carrier's air defense will be able to shoot down Zircon

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alexey 2020

how will target designation and guidance be carried out at such a distance? Throwing blanks at stationary targets is one thing (and it doesn't always hit). Shooting at a moving and, moreover, a maneuvering target, besides having good air defense, is completely different.

Quote: Fungus

I do not think that the aircraft carrier's air defense will be able to shoot down Zircon

It will probably be impossible to shoot down, but in fairness it should be noted that hitting the target, in this case the aircraft carrier, as correctly noted Alexey 2020 - it will be very difficult.

For a long time, the Chinese have already reported that they are capable of hitting a target such as an aircraft carrier using ballistic missiles, but how accurate and true this information is -

[Alex 2020]

Do not forget about the AVM air wing, escort ships (there is not a tug like ours, but several full-fledged warships with good detection systems and appropriate weapons systems).

[Igor Semenov]

you can solve the problem "from the other end" - do not give the opportunity to issue target designation

[Lex_is]

To begin with, the vile enemy, in the event of an aggravation of the situation, is not going to enter not only the AUG, but even destroyers into the range of missile systems.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey 2020

I wonder how target designation and guidance will be carried out at such a distance?

This is a serious question. The rocket has its own seeker, but at such a distance it must be "brought" to the target area ... It is clear that the "Shield" -type target stands still ... Well, step by step. The GOS does not care whether the target maneuvers or not. Target designation is a different task. Important, but different. And something tells me that these can be special drones, not airplanes.

[Avior]

And, most importantly, a Shield-type target stands at a known place, does not move, is not equipped with electronic warfare and fired traps, and it is alone, all other potential targets from the firing area will be removed very far so that the seeker is not confused.
If the enemy kindly provides the same conditions, why not get hit.
But if he does not provide such conditions, then it is more difficult ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

one, all other potential targets from the firing area will be removed very far, so that the seeker would not be confused.
If the enemy kindly provides the same conditions, why not get hit.
But if he does not provide such conditions, then it is more difficult.

And what, at the AUG will be fired with a single rocket in order to hit it? I suppose they will beat them in batches, with everything they have, and in one gulp. The missiles will surely have a connection with each other to use the tactics of the "pack" ... It has long been used on our anti-ship missiles. By the way, "Tornado" has an interesting ammunition in the form of a drone. It is thrown into the target area for additional exploration. Maybe something like that will be finalized for the RCC? They will be thrown to a great height in the target area, and while they will deal with it, they will have time to "throw off" the target designation, and the location of the ships in the order, and the speed, and the course. Well, how far will a 30-node order get? A straight kilometer per minute. And after 10 minutes, the next drone arrives in the target area - to reconnoiter the target and carry out operational target designation ... and then a flock of 10 - 20 - 30 pieces? Although, if according to AUG, which means "for all the money", one will arrive, from a special warhead. And he definitely doesn't need to get into the ship ... +/- km, it doesn't matter.

[Avior]

Shooting in a volley with everything from the maximum distance is a controversial idea, as the Arabs fired at the Jews in the Yom Kippur War, not one of the fifty-odd anti-ship missiles hit.
In order to fire in a volley, you need to be sure that you are shooting at a real target, and the enemy will not deceive your seeker with its electronic warfare and traps, because if there is no such confidence, then a large volley will not help, as well as the high speed of anti-ship missiles.
Radar seeker anti-ship missiles are, in principle, significantly inferior in terms of capabilities to aviation ones, but even for an aviation radar, it is extremely difficult to single out an aircraft carrier strictly among traps and other ships and vessels in conditions of intense interference, and without its reliable destruction, shoot all available ammunition will fail the task.
But I didn't hear something about a breakthrough in the field of new GOS, perhaps I missed it.
And why not shoot at the shield, it's a useful thing, speed, range can be confirmed.
But to check the reliability of a defeat is a problem with that.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

+2
Shooting with a volley of everything that is from the maximum distance is a controversial idea, as the Arabs fired at the Jews in the Yom Kippur War, not a single one of the fifty-odd anti-ship missiles hit

They beat targets without reconnaissance, and well-known masters. Again, the GOS is wooden, which was hammered by the "scent" immediately ...
I believe that if Russia begins to "extinguish" the AUG, then this is not a local mess, but a war of destruction, and the special ammunition will fly very steep. So I imagine, one at an altitude of 5-10 km, knocks out all the electronics (radars, electronic warfare equipment, communications ...) with an electromagnetic pulse, then slow calibers arrive at the target area and finish off everything that floats, thoughtfully and accurately. The air wing will not rise in half an hour, everything on the deck will not take off, but it will take a lot of time to lift and prepare for departure.

[Avior]

No, the reconnaissance was all right, as they were shooting within direct radio line of sight.
And nothing is known about their mistakes in shooting.
The GOS, of course, was not modern, but the Jews' electronic warfare was also not super-duper, and the traps were generally ersatz - signal cartridges for the shipwrecked, they were adapted as firing traps, Israel was then under sanctions.
As for the use of special ammunition, and even a massive one, this is already a full-fledged nuclear war, there will be no time for AUG.

[lucul]

But I didn't hear something about a breakthrough in the field of new GOS, perhaps I missed it.

You generally missed a lot - for example, that the new GOS plasma cocoon is not a hindrance.

but even for an aviation radar, it is extremely difficult to single out a strictly aircraft carrier among traps and other ships and vessels in conditions of intense interference,

The seeker on the Caliber rocket captures a naval target at a distance of 65 km, in conditions of countermeasures by the enemy's electronic warfare, reliable target capture at a distance of 20 km.
But your logic is that if Israel does not have it, then no one has it. )))
Reality ... it is a little different)))

[Avior]

If you are a connoisseur, give me a link to a serious source describing the launch of these missiles in conditions of setting up diverting interference, electronic warfare, traps, similar in power and level to those on American destroyers.
It will be interesting to read.
Iran and Argentina had similar problems to the Arabs, I remember.

[Igor Semenov]

Of course, more than one missile will be launched. Of course, the problems of detection and target designation will somehow be solved (and possibly are already being solved). It is a little about something else - to supplement the bravura tone of the article with a real understanding of the nontriviality of the task of hitting an over-the-horizon surface target. Which does not stand still, hides and actively opposes.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Igor Semenov

It is a little about something else - to supplement the bravura tone of the article with a real understanding of the nontriviality of the task of hitting an over-the-horizon surface target. Which does not stand still, hides and actively opposes.

And this is information, so to speak, is not very open, and the secrecy of guidance and target designation to any "zircons" will be stronger than these "zircons" themselves ...

[Garm]

Special drones can - but where can I get them? But a special plane (of those that we have) will not be able to, its wing will be shot down.

[Alex777]

I wonder how target designation and guidance will be carried out at such a distance?

Do you understand that how the guidance is carried out there - absolutely secret, regardless of the distance?
Or don't you understand?

[Volder]

Quote: Alex 2020

Shooting at a moving and, moreover, a maneuvering target, which also has good air defense, is completely different.

As for the good air defense of the opponents of the Russian Federation, it was you, my friend, who made fun!

[Ross xnumx]

The Zircon anti-ship hypersonic missile will hit a target located about 1 kilometers from the launch site and imitating an enemy ship. These next tests of the new weapon will take place in November.

I am in anticipation of the positive coming tests ...

[voyaka uh]

I think 1000 km is not the limit.
There will be tests for both 2000 and 3000 km.
But there will be no photos of a missile without a container, and there will be no photos of a target hit.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

But there will be no photos of a missile without a container, and there will be no photos of a target hit

Well, this is no longer fair ... do you suspect our military of falsifying tests? And there is no Zircon at all?
Shall we continue? There are no planes - plywood mock-ups, they carry firewood instead of Ash trees, and have the Russians finished their last hedgehogs for winter?

[voyaka uh]

There is a photo of Ash, there is a photo of the Su-57, there is a photo of the Dagger-Iskander.
But Zircon ... Something is launched, but what?

[prior]

Now Alexey, I will throw off the full volume of CD, schemes, algorithms, performance characteristics, and of course the photo ...
It'll be enough?

[Insurgent]

Quote: prior

Now Alexey, I will throw off the full volume of CD, schemes, algorithms, performance characteristics, and of course the photo ...

Traitor! Agent Theהמוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים in the ranks of the

[prior]

Or maybe a counterintelligence agent?

[Insurgent]

Quote: prior

Or maybe a counterintelligence agent?

Huh ... Then share how you conduct the funds from the counterintelligence department through the cash desk of the counterintelligence department. voyaka uh, or you work for the Mossad for free, according to legend - "for ideological reasons"?

[prior]

Yeah. And the key to the apartment ...

[voyaka uh]

TTX is not needed. A vague photo of the appearance is enough.
It will become clear whether Zircon has a ramjet engine or not.

[Vadim237]

In appearance, you can calculate the aerodynamic qualities and design features - no one will put their advanced hypersonic developments on public display.

[voyaka uh]

Americans usually calmly put all their new products on public display.
At the stage of final tests. Israel too.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
Today, 11: 04
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Americans usually calmly put all their new products on public display.
At the stage of final tests. Israel too.

Now what? Equal to the Merikatos and the Jews? You will trample on what you see in the media.

[3danimal]

Very comfortable position. A Star Destroyer space fleet can be claimed. And to the question "where is he", answer "it's a secret"

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

Americans usually calmly put all their new products on public display.

They do not exhibit, or rather exhibit something that has already lost its secrecy.

[Vadim237]

Unless she exhibits experimental novelties.

[3danimal]

In appearance, SPVRD can be distinguished from scramjet engine (by its characteristic "square" nose and air intake).

[KCA]

Look at the photo of "Onyx" and its ramjet, most likely, "Zircon" looks the same

[voyaka uh]

Yes, but with such a ramjet, you can't squeeze more than 2.5 MAX.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
Today, 11: 19
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Yes, but with such a ramjet, you can't squeeze more than 2.5 MAX.

And this is from what such considerations? Just to blurt out?

[lucul]

TTX is not needed. A vague photo of the appearance is enough.

Too vague video? Do you need a photo? ))))

[Vadim237]

The engine cover is closed by a two-stage turbojet engine acceleration and then the flight to the scramjet engine.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: voyaka uh

It will become clear whether Zircon has a ramjet engine or not.

This should be clear from its trajectory. It is true that we do not know it, but most likely it was copied by the "partners" watching the trials.

[Charik]

there is, only on the radar-

[3danimal]

There is almost certainly such an engine (direct-flow). Question: supersonic or hypersonic? (Probably the first)

[meandr51]

This is the whole tsimes.

[askort154]

voyaka uh.There is a photo of Ash, there is a photo of the Su-57, there is a photo of the Dagger-Iskander.
But Zircon ... Something is launched, but what?

He has a channel that flashes the film!

[Voyager]

How are you wondering what is there ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

But Zircon ... Something is launched, but what?

And our new missile defense missile is also shown from afar (without details). This is to prevent infa from flowing to the West, to partners, because even by the appearance of the product, specialists can say, understand, think out a lot. And if the Yankees show photos of their X-47 / X-51, this does not mean at all that after leaving the atmosphere, the fairing does not shoot back and the quartz glass does not become cloudy ...
So, your Mossad will tolerate until the CAM gives the go-ahead for a "photo report from the scene," as the newspaper Pravda wrote in the old days.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, this is no longer fair ... do you suspect our military of falsifying tests? And there is no Zircon at all?

Quote: voyaka uh

There is a photo of Ash, there is a photo of the Su-57, there is a photo of the Dagger-Iskander.
But Zircon ... Something is launched, but what?

There would be a desire to falsify, long ago they would have given something else for hitting "Zircon" ...

And so ... Just planned tests are underway, where possible, certain moments are simply not intended for prying eyes.

[tralflot1832]

In 20 years they will show. Nobody shows anything new, especially the moment of defeat.

[sabakina]

Quote: voyaka uh

But there will be no photos of a missile without a container, and there will be no photos of a target hit.

Alexey, why? Does your battery run out?

[2я19]

What's the point? We still don't know how to hit a moving real target. We were told about this a couple of days ago.

[Vadim237]

Who told you about this - another expert?

[tralflot1832]

I'm afraid to assume that this two from Port Down installed radio beacons on all AUGs. We somehow got corner reflectors on the railway complexes, or is it a lie?

[rocket757]

Boom count / hope that reconnaissance, control and target designation means will be developed and delivered to the troops, without delay. At the same time, those that will work effectively not only in a peaceful / easy period, but also in a situation when there will be active opposition from the enemy.
All these are links of one system !!!

[Prisoner]

"This information was received by the TASS news agency from its source in the military-industrial industry ..." (c) How times have changed! At the time of these, this source after such a line in five hours would have dried up like a fontanel in the Sahara.

[Bi-mac]

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

I am not at all an expert in these matters, but I think that a similar issue was discussed in the design group at the pre-project stage. And there, in theory, the masters of the highest level. It turns out that there were more arguments "for" than "against" once they started doing it. Maybe they played through various battle scenarios and came to the conclusion that the aircraft carrier would rather sink than survive. And that's good).

[Igor Semenov]

If today there are no reliable means of target designation and detection, this does not mean that there is no need to work on delivery vehicles. Need. But it's not worth dwelling on the means of detection and target designation.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Bi-Mac

not at all an expert in these matters, but I think

Thinking is good. This can be useful.
They started doing it because some "group of designers" learned how to do it. And if they made part of the system, it is far from the fact that they made the whole system. For the system is very large, strategic, and far from being a designer thinks about it. And politicians, they didn’t graduate from universities. They have completely different arguments for thinking.

[Bi-mac]

If not for the first line, the post would have been 5-plus. And so part of the energy is spent on pinning the standard phraseological phrase.

[Operator]

Now Jews, residents of the outskirts and local foreign agents will come running shouting: "But you have no external target designation"

[The eye of the crying]

You are already ahead of them.

[Operator]

Blue ponies - fans of foreign agent Timokhin - no one can get ahead, because they are ahead of the speed of their screeching

29B6 Container, Lotos-C1, GPBA - "not, did not hear" (C)

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Operator

Blue ponies - fans of foreign agent Timokhin - no one can get ahead,

You can.

[Brturin]

Quote: Bearded

Zircon, say hello to AUG. 1000 km is already a serious distance. Skeptics, smoke validol. I smell that this is not the limit of the distance. Give me a polish !!!!

500 ... 1000 ... Why dumb the enemy at once, you need to prepare ...

[Igor Semenov]

The defeat of a radio-horizon maneuvering target requires three components: detection means, target designation means, and charge delivery means. I can’t even judge which of the three tasks is more difficult. And no country to date has unconditionally solved any of the tasks

[Vadim237]

None other than Russia.

[Gogia]

Quote: Larch

As far as I remember back in the late 80s, satellite optics allowed reading a newspaper, then current technologies can do much more, and if there is an anti-ship missile with a range of 1000 km or more, it means that they provide targeting.

1. The resolution of satellite images cannot be more accurate than 0.5 meters !!! The rest is bullshit from American fighters. Read the papyri.
2. As far as I understand, it is far from mathematicians and military men who have gathered here.
The problem with granite was that it flew to the target for quite a long time, namely 20-30 minutes. During this time, an aircraft carrier traveling at a speed of 30 knots can move a distance of up to 30 kilometers, and if downstream and a greater distance. The viewing angle of the seeker is small - otherwise power is lost. But Granites passed information to each other and even distributed targets. If Zircon flies 1000 km for 10-11 minutes, then having a seeker with a working angle of 20 degrees at a distance of 50 km (and here you will definitely notice an aircraft carrier), we see an area of ​​about 30-31 km. In 11 minutes, the aircraft carrier will pass 11-13 km at full speed. Here the whole order will be in full view and all the escort ships. Hypersound helps to avoid complication of target designation in this case !!!

[Old26]

Quote: PN

Who is interested in him giving out target designation?

A HZ. Without a control center, she can go into milk even for a thousand, even for a "polish".

Quote: OrangeBigg

And whoever gave target designation during the tests of Zircon on October 7, 2020, will give target designation in November

Well, on October 7, everything was easier. In-1 - the distance was 450 km. In-2 - the shooting was carried out through the Kola Peninsula and the target was at a very short distance from the coast. Now, at a distance of 1000 km, the target should most likely be in the Kara Sea, east of Novaya Zemlya. So the question of the VTsU is open. In addition, the shield will be almost 100% non-self-propelled. And how the GOS will behave with a moving target and at such a distance is still to be experienced. And we already have AUG "say hello" ...

Quote: OrangeBigg

All new well-forgotten old. Take for example anti-ship missiles Vulcan with a range of destruction of 700-1000 km. By the way, Vulcan has long been in service.

And as far as is known NEVER FIRED AT THE MAXIMUM RANGE... For target designation is nothing to give

Quote: Vadim237

"Who and how will carry out target designation at such distances" Probably Russia already has a constellation of satellites created specifically for tracking and issuing target designation for sea targets.

"Liana" is not yet operational. And this is the only specialized maritime system. Again, the satellite will give the motion parameters only at this particular moment in time. While the information package goes through the whole chain: satellite - MCC (CP) - Navy Headquarters - Fleet Headquarters - Zircon carrier - the target can go far enough.

Quote: Larch

As far as I remember back in the late 80s, satellite optics allowed reading a newspaper, then current technologies can do much more, and if there is an anti-ship missile with a range of 1000 km or more, it means that they provide targeting. If you are a skeptic of the range of anti-ship missiles, you can leave missiles with a range of 250 km and that's enough, the Americans will definitely find their hypersonic analogue how to aim!

One of the myths. The largest known permission was from the American "Keyhole" satellites. resolution - 15 cm. In order to identify an object (newspaper text) or a license plate of a car (second myth), it is required that the dimensions of the object are approximately 5 times the resolution of the satellite. Those. the letter in the headline of the newspaper should be at least 7 cm high, and the text should be at least 3,5 cm high. Only then can something be read. But such texts and such headings do not exist.
The Americans will actually find. They have 4-5 AWACS aircraft on the AUG. There is something to direct.

Quote: Whirlwind

There is already a nuclear submarine "Belgorod" with six "Poseidons". Everyone can destroy life on Earth.

The rates are going up. When the rumor about "Poseidon" "appeared", they talked about a speed of 100 knots and about 3 Mt warhead, which made it possible to destroy the port with all its infrastructure. Then the speed on all resources increased to 200 knots, and the warhead power to 100-200 Mt. But now they were talking not only about the destruction of the port, but about the fact that America would be washed away. Now the rates have gone up. We are already talking about the destruction of life on earth. I think that when Poseidon goes to sea trials, the rates will increase even more. They will already talk about the death of the solar system or the entire galaxy in general.

Quote: Fungus

I do not think that the aircraft carrier's air defense will be able to shoot down Zircon

It is worth upgrading the SM-3 Block 2A a little and there will be no problems. Replace the kinetic interceptor with a heavier fragmentation warhead. The altitude will decrease (instead of 1500 km it will be 700), the range will decrease (instead of 2500 it will become 1500 km. And the speed will drop a bit. Instead of 14,5M it will become 12M. Plus the modernization of radars. And no problems

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Alexey 2020

how will target designation and guidance be carried out at such a distance? Throwing blanks at stationary targets is one thing (and it doesn't always hit). Shooting at a moving and, moreover, a maneuvering target, besides having good air defense, is completely different.

Quote: Fungus

I do not think that the aircraft carrier's air defense will be able to shoot down Zircon

It will probably be impossible to shoot down, but in fairness it should be noted that hitting the target, in this case the aircraft carrier, as correctly noted Alexey 2020 - it will be very difficult.

For a long time, the Chinese have already reported that they are capable of hitting a target such as an aircraft carrier using ballistic missiles, but how accurate and true this information is -

They themselves have long disavowed this statement. Now they say rockets like that can hit an aircraft carrier at the base
And shoot down the Zircon. It is difficult, but not impossible with the normal organization of an ABM compound ...

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And something tells me that these might be special drones, not airplanes.

And now we have them, these drones ???

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I suppose they will beat them in batches, with everything they have, and in one gulp. The missiles will surely be in contact with each other to use the "flock" tactics ...

Either way, a hypersonic missile will be VERY EXPENSIVE. Nobody will beat it with packs. UKSK on our ships cannot be compared with the American one, where under a hundred cells and half can be loaded with them. On our EMNIP now the maximum is 16, in the future - 24. Please note that you need to put there
1. Anti-submarine missiles of the "Caliber" family - at least 3-4. Subsonic anti-ship missiles "Caliber" - let it be 4-6, Supersonic "Onyx" - let the same 4. As a result, 12-14 cells will be occupied. Remain under the "Zircon" 2-4 cells maximum. And you call it packs. How many such frigates will we have in stock in at least 5 years? Pieces 4? For all fleets. And about the "pack". Plasma will not interfere with the exchange of information at a speed of 8-9M ??? ... so if we can select at least 4NK with 8 "Zircons" against AUG, then for an AUG order consisting of 4-5 destroyers 1-2 cruisers these 8 "Zircons" will not represent an insoluble problem

Quote: voyaka uh

I think 1000 km is not the limit.
There will be tests for both 2000 and 3000 km.
But there will be no photos of a missile without a container, and there will be no photos of a target hit.

1000 km is a very real figure. But about 2-3 - there are big doubts. After all, this is not an aviation version of the KR, where the dimensions are not so critical. Here, the dimensions of the same UKSK are finite ...

Quote: Gogia

then having a seeker with a working angle of 20 degrees at a distance of 50 km (and then you will definitely notice the aircraft carrier)

If the seeker has a range of action (detection) of 50 km, then at an angle of 20 ° flying at an altitude of 30 km, the aircraft carrier may not notice. It's another matter if the detection range is 75 or 100 km - then another matter

[Borz]

Good Luck!

[Reserve buildbat]

Constant questions about target designation, reminders that the AUG will not stand still, etc.
Let's see a little differently? The coordinates of the target at the time of launch are known. The AUG speed is 25 knots, which is about 46 km / h. 1000 km "Zircon" will fly in about 10 minutes, if we take as a starting point the mention that "Zircon" flew 450 km in 4,5 minutes. This is 100 km per minute. And how long will AUG take in 10 minutes? 46km / h divided by 6 = approximately 7,7km.
It's a lot? And in angular minutes from a distance of, say, 150 km, from which the GOS will capture the target? All data on speeds from comments and videos, data on the GOS came up with.

[Lex_is]

Target coordinates at the time of launch are known

How are they known?
How and after how long will this data get to the launcher?
How long will it take to prepare for shooting and launch after receiving the data?
And dozens of other nuances that affect the successful use of weapons.

[Reserve buildbat]

Of course, the coordinates were reported by the messenger on the boat, all the data was transmitted by him in the form written on parchment, and the preparation of the rocket for launch from the TPK lasts at least 3 days, so as not to interrupt the prayer schedule.

Coordinates - from the satellite. The transmission is almost instantaneous. Preparation for launch - within 3 minutes
(In theory, based on public information)

[Lex_is]

Coordinates - from the satellite. Transfer - almost instantly

Well, when it becomes possible, then only two problems remain: to save the satellite and persuade the enemy to enter the affected area.
Then it will most likely be sunk.

And yes, you still need to release and put the Zircons into service, put into service more than four carriers and ensure their stability.

Then we'll smudge everyone (theoretically)

But these are all such insignificant little things, right?

[Reserve buildbat]

That is, there are no satellites now? Zhepese, GLONASS and others - a myth from the "witnesses of space" who reject the truth about the plane of the Earth?
Or do you think that a satellite can only "see" a point with a diameter of 5-500 meters? And displacement of the AUG by 7 km will take it out of view? And about "release, put into service", etc. - did someone say that everything is already there? Suffer about polymers somewhere else on another site. On the censor, for example, from where you seem to have been blown here by the wind.

[Lex_is]

AND! From what it is!
Well, yes, since Zhepese exists - what problems with target designation can there be?

What am I talking about ...

[3danimal]

And displacement of the AUG by 7 km will take it out of view?

No, but the satellite flies in circles, the displacement of its orbit is problematic and undesirable, it looks underneath it, Well if 400x400 km. And then there are the treacherous cloud fronts that the AUG commander must use.
And in general, the shapkozakidatelstvo (but what's difficult there!) In the issue of control arose from weakness in the aspect of AWACS and control planes. The USSR had a large fleet of Tu-95RTs. And now? IL-20? So we have to talk about a dozen satellites that "hold" all the oceans.

[Reserve buildbat]

Clouds interfere only in the optical range. There is more than one satellite in orbit, even if the AUG goes beyond the satellite's view - how far will it go? Although, of course, we need a good constellation of satellites and a lot of AWACS aircraft.

[3danimal]

The satellite sees a fairly narrow strip (below it). The orbits of the satellites are usually known to an advanced opponent. It is good if one or two notice the AUG while flying. But then you need to send a scout.
Alternatively, supersonic.

how far will she go?

At a turnover in ~ 108 minutes, at 90-100 km. If it was on the "edge" of the swath, it will disappear. A continuous view (stripes in a row) can only be created in a limited area.

[3danimal]

The aspirations "to win everything at a cheaper price" are indicative. The weakness of the economy gives rise to the appropriate thinking.

[Lex_is]

It is indicative of the number of people who have completely forgotten how to think, but at the same time are overwhelmed with faith in fairy tales with a happy ending.
It is really scary when development and learning is replaced by hysterical-idiotic patriotism. It is even much worse than shortcomings in technology - they can be partially compensated for by good tactics and competent use, and the absence of brains and absolute ignorance cannot be compensated for in anything.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Good news, good!
The dispute over target designation is out of place. AUG is not a needle in a haystack, and anti-ship missiles do not hit the coordinates, incl. Let's discuss the range of Zircons for now, but it is excellent, as it seems to me :)

[3danimal]

There is a “needle” in the ocean. And they beat on target designation data. You need the exact distance from the carrier to the target, its speed and course. You can't get that from a satellite photo. (And no one has enough satellites)

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

You think too highly of the secrecy of the caravan of ships, and you don't think it's worth judging about a sufficient number of satellites. Reasoning about pictures from satellites is valid :)

[3danimal]

You think too highly of the secrecy of the caravan of ships

Read about the US exercises in 1982 near Kamchatka. You can "lose" the whole ADR.
I repeat:

You need the exact distance from the carrier to the target, its speed and course.

You can't get that from a satellite.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

You will remember about 1942, the technologies are not the same for a long time, and the AUG does not turn off the navigation equipment, because it is fraught with running into another "Spanish lighthouse", and therefore it glows on the air like a New Year tree, and no one canceled the embedded surveillance radio beacons for passing ships, and satellites there are different and even "civil satellites" calculate the coordinates of the radio signal, leave your inventions on the work of satellites for your classmates. And read why over-the-horizon radars are needed, there are not all the characteristics, but the general principle is described.

[3danimal]

shines on the radio like a Christmas tree,

He goes to a combat operation observing radio silence. There is a laser aircraft landing system.

leave for your classmates

I haven't seen many of my classmates for 19 years.

satellites are different

Yes, but no one has enough of them to observe the oceans.

And read why we need over-the-horizon radar

Have you decided that this is an imba system? Wrong. Additional reconnaissance will still have to be done from the air.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Do not carry nonsense, you probably have seen enough cartoons, by turning off all the locators, you can meet the sides with your outpost or whatever civil lighter or Panamax, but even this will not save you from over-the-horizon radars. Additional reconnaissance may not be from the air, or it may not be, the war will show the plan. Three satellites are enough for a very huge territory to calculate a fairly accurate point and even a chain of points using a radio signal, although more is better. They didn't report to me whether our warriors had enough satellites or not, maybe you have a direct connection and they reported to you?

[3danimal]

I have not been told whether our warriors have enough satellites or not.

The warriors do not have enough money. Chinese and American. Ours .. will be a little poorer (the Chinese military budget as our entire).

by turning off all the locators, you can meet the sides with your combat outposts

Apparently, you've seen enough of something. The Americans were doing this successfully back in 82. Not far from Kamchatka. (So ​​what's with your ego?)

Three satellites are enough for a very huge territory to calculate a fairly accurate point by radio signal

Well yes, the exact point In theory, if the AUG goes into a peaceful period that does not require radio masking.
And the point is not enough, you need a course and speed.

[Lex_is]

by turning off all the locators, you can meet the sides with your outpost or whatever civil lighter or Panamax

Very unlikely.
Combat guard in a single system is displayed, civilians on AIS. In addition, people are engaged in visual observation on the bridges there, and the visual observation systems there are very good, in any weather conditions they detect surface targets for 20-30 km.

[Charik]

Bold statement - in the first sentence of the article

[3danimal]

Just a question: will target designation give out the Il-20m?