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Trump administration approves sale of F-22 fighter jets to Israel - foreign press

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In the foreign press, including the Greek and the Middle East, it is reported that the administration of the US President Donald Trump has approved the decision to sell the 5th generation F-22 fighters to Israel.


Recall that previously these US combat aircraft were not sold to foreign countries.

The Israeli edition of The Times of Israel, citing sources in the United States, as well as the media in Saudi Arabia, writes that US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper announced the approval of the sale of these "stealth fighters" to Israel.

From the material:

Israel previously expressed interest in buying not only the F-35, but the F-22, but the United States refused. The United States ceased production of the fighter in 2011, and legally prohibited its sale to foreign countries. However, in discussing the possibilities of strengthening security in the Middle East and confronting Iran, the Trump administration approved the possible sale of the F-22 to the Israeli Air Force.

The correspondent of AFP news agency writes about this. With reference to an unnamed source in the news agency, material is released, which refers to the negotiations between the heads of the US and Israeli military departments Mark Esper and Benny Gantz. The article reports on "the achievement of significant progress in improving the quality of military superiority, including in the air, Israel in the region."

Earlier, Israeli official sources did not publish messages about Israel's request to the United States to sell F-22 fighters. At the moment, the Israeli government has not provided any messages about the possible purchase of the F-22.

We will remind that earlier Israel purchased from the United States several batches of fifth-generation F-35 fighters. These fighters, according to some reports, have already been used by the Israeli Air Force in striking targets in neighboring Syria.
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  1. MTN
    MTN 1 November 2020 08: 43
    +1
    Trump administration approves sale of F-22 fighter jets to Israel

    No, I wouldn't have approved it yet. Where will you go. This is what I call the lobby.
    I wonder where they are going to fly with the Raptors? hmm
    1. SSR
      SSR 1 November 2020 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: MTN
      This is what I call the lobby.

      Indeed, where is Kushner in the negotiations?))
      a material comes out, which talks about the negotiations between the heads of the US and Israeli military departments Mark Esper and Benny Gantz.

      Why is he not there?))
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 49
        +3
        The soil is being prepared, is it possible that the son-in-law has decided that his father-in-law has lost?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 1 November 2020 13: 01
          +1
          It is not clear what kind of Raptors for the Israelis can we talk about?
          New Yankees cannot make themselves.
          For the old ones, there is a shortage of engines. And they have not been made for a long time either.
          We must wait for reliable information.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 1 November 2020 13: 08
            +3
            Duc fellow Jews themselves are not vkursyah, but they do not need this crap, again change the avionics, the budget is not rubber.
    2. mihail_mihail0620
      mihail_mihail0620 1 November 2020 08: 51
      +5
      Quote: MTN
      This is what I call the lobby.

      The main lobbyists are son-in-law and daughter.
      Quote: MTN
      I wonder where they are going to fly with the Raptors?

      To Iran.
      1. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 08: 56
        -8
        Quote: mihail_mihail0620
        To Iran.

        Then why the hell do they minus me when I say that after Syria, Iran's turn? (Yes, it looks like Iran will be next.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 52
          0
          Will Iran be next? It already depends on the Chinese!
        2. mihail_mihail0620
          mihail_mihail0620 1 November 2020 13: 19
          0
          Quote: MTN
          Then why the hell am I minus when I say that after Syria, Iran's turn?

          If this is a question for me, then I do not put the minuses until I have the right to do so, besides, I am not a supporter of minuses, and I think if a person put a minus, then he must explain why.
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 1 November 2020 16: 52
          0
          Then why the hell am I minus when I say that after Syria, Iran's turn?

          Iran is scary to attack. wink
          Until something from the States goes to Israel, a lot of things can come to Iran from Russia and China.
          And when Trump loses the election, everyone will unanimously restore the "Comprehensive Agreement" developed by Obama and lift the sanctions on Iran. The EU has colossal interests there. Especially against the background of the fact that it is necessary to pull somewhere production from China.
          Yes, and Kedmi recently announced that from the point of view of the Israeli leadership, the main enemy has changed.
          After the statement "Jerusalem is our city" now Erdogan is the main enemy. bully
          1. Charik
            Charik 1 November 2020 17: 53
            -3
            While something from the States will go to Israel, you can use the fact that already in a huge, unknown quantity on the BV, in my opinion there is more than enough in that region to break Iran + Australia next to + AfriCom + Europe-Iran will not even have time to utter a peep, if it is serious will deal with
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 1 November 2020 19: 30
              +1
              Well, who is hunting in Israel now? The whole mishpuha from coronavirus is crying. Going to Russia for vaccinations. Just believe it.
        4. Charik
          Charik 1 November 2020 17: 48
          -6
          so long ago, some American military told how another military man showed him a list of countries which they should destroy - a dozen pieces and most of them on BV
      2. figwam
        figwam 1 November 2020 09: 42
        -5
        We will remind that earlier Israel acquired several batches of fifth-generation F-35 fighters from the United States.

        Yes, I had to buy a new failed F-35 to understand that the old F-22 is needed)))
        And all the rest continue to buy a penguin that has no analogues in the world.
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 November 2020 11: 50
          0
          Quote: figvam
          We will remind that earlier Israel acquired several batches of fifth-generation F-35 fighters from the United States.

          Yes, I had to buy a new failed F-35 to understand that the old F-22 is needed)))
          And all the rest continue to buy a penguin that has no analogues in the world.

          to the point, the Jews seemed a little too small
      3. URAL72
        URAL72 1 November 2020 12: 03
        +1
        Not only to Iran. After Egypt's purchase of the Su-35, Israel is unlikely to rely on the F-35. A contract with Algeria looms ahead. And the Russians do not fly in Syria on the MiG-21.

        But I'm not sure if that's true.
    3. Fungus
      Fungus 1 November 2020 08: 52
      -11 qualifying.
      As always, they will bomb Syria out of sly. I would have knocked down a couple so as not to be impudent.
      1. MTN
        MTN 1 November 2020 08: 58
        +6
        Russian air defense systems in Syria will definitely not shoot down Jewish equipment. Not that they cannot, no, but they will not KNOCK down. It feels like when Jews fly, call the base in Syria and say turn off the pliz for a couple of hours.

        And so that Syria is bombed and f35 and f16 and f15 will go. And here is the Raptor. Looks like a long flight will be with refueling in the air.
        1. Maki maki
          Maki maki 1 November 2020 09: 00
          18
          Well, yes, it is. They are told not to touch.
          1. MTN
            MTN 1 November 2020 09: 02
            +2
            Quote: Maki Maki
            Well, yes, it is. They are told not to touch.

            That's why I think that these Raptors are not for Syria.
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 November 2020 10: 25
          11
          Quote: MTN
          It feels like when Jews fly, call the base in Syria and say turn off the pliz for a couple of hours.

          Why would a serviceman bother people for nothing? They warn that they will be in 45 minutes. There is no need to disconnect. Let them work. To whom does this disturb?
      2. Danila46
        Danila46 1 November 2020 09: 42
        13
        who doesn't give you ??? A machine gun for the advantage, and in "Palestine"! Uryayayayayayaya !!!!!
      3. TulaTokarev
        TulaTokarev 1 November 2020 18: 25
        -2
        Don't break the sofa, anti-aircraft gunner! First try to knock down a fly under the ceiling from a supine position, then you will take them on)))
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 1 November 2020 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: MTN

      I wonder where they are going to fly with the Raptors? hmm

      Are you not looking at kin at all?
    5. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 1 November 2020 09: 34
      0
      This makes no sense.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 1 November 2020 10: 04
        +6
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        This makes no sense.

        Aron, are you talking about nonsense in the article or in the comments?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 1 November 2020 13: 56
          -1
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          This makes no sense.

          Aron, are you talking about nonsense in the article or in the comments?

          In the article.
          1. bayard
            bayard 2 November 2020 01: 32
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            In the article.

            And this is not the first article about "Raptors" for Israel.
            Who shakes?
      2. Charik
        Charik 1 November 2020 18: 11
        -2
        The same opinion is some kind of nonsense, if due to the lack of punctuation marks where it should be, if it really is nonsense for powdering the brain
      3. bobba94
        bobba94 1 November 2020 20: 12
        0
        I talked with our aviation specialists. They say that the F-35 and the F-22, the only very expensive F-22, is not good enough. If you talk to aviation experts in Israel, then maybe it's not delusional.
    6. Revolver
      Revolver 1 November 2020 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: MTN
      I wonder where they are going to fly with the Raptors?

      And where the range is enough. But do not be afraid, certainly not to support the Armenians in Karabakh. But the Iranian ayatollahs and their proxies should pray to Allah in advance, otherwise they will arrive unnoticed, and the soul will fly away without praying.
    7. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 13: 41
      +1
      Salam!
      Quote: MTN
      I wonder where they are going to fly with the Raptors?

      I dare to continue your guess.
      There would be years.apparaty, but with flight missions "difficulties" the Israelis think will not arise.
      Another thing is interesting, namely, what will they do with their f16 and f15 mi?
      Do you think it is possible for your country to acquire them?
      Naturally with a favorable mood of the US Congress?
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 15: 21
        0
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        Another thing is interesting, namely, what will they do with their f16 and f15 mi?

        F-16 will be sold to those who wish, and they will be replaced by F-35
        The F-15 will presumably be replaced with the latest Boeing F-15IA (IA stands for "Israel Advanced"), where all the stuffing will be from Israeli manufacturers F-15IA can also carry more ammunition and, according to sources, will also be able to intercept cruise missiles that can target Israel.
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 15: 33
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          F-16 will be sold to those who wish, and they will be replaced by F-35
          Hello!
          I have no doubt that they will sell.
          My (?) Is different. Doesn't want (wants) Azerbaijan to acquire these years. machines with tacit congressional approval and will Israel sell?
          I think after the latter, the matter will not.
          The USA is another matter!
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 16: 21
            +1
            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            F-16 will be sold to those who wish, and they will be replaced by F-35
            Hello!
            I have no doubt that they will sell.
            My (?) Is different. Doesn't want (wants) Azerbaijan to acquire these years. machines with tacit congressional approval and will Israel sell?
            I think after the latter, the matter will not.
            The USA is another matter!

            Good afternoon!
            You are correct in your reasoning. Croatia was forbidden to sell, and even in the current situation it is unlikely to be allowed to sell to Azerbaijan, perhaps when it calms down in a calm atmosphere and without advertising. In general, 40 F-16 aircraft are ready for sale.
    8. ultra
      ultra 1 November 2020 16: 55
      0
      Quote: MTN
      No, I wouldn't have approved it yet. Where will you go.

      Well, suppose you approve. And where to get the planes? Only from the presence of the US Air Force.
  2. MTN
    MTN 1 November 2020 08: 44
    -1
    Jews will definitely change avionics and weapons.
  3. V1er
    V1er 1 November 2020 08: 55
    -3
    It would be nice to land such one in Syria or Iran and to study it in the garage.
    1. MTN
      MTN 1 November 2020 09: 02
      0
      Quote: V1er
      It would be nice to land such one in Syria or Iran and to study it in the garage.

      This is not an easy task. Especially for Iran.
      1. PN
        PN 1 November 2020 09: 36
        +1
        And I believe in Iranian air defense. No, I will not say that it # has no analogue in the world, but stronger than the Syrian one.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 1 November 2020 09: 44
      +5
      Quote: V1er
      It would be nice to land such one in Syria or Iran and to study it in the garage.

      It won't fit into your garage.
      1. V1er
        V1er 1 November 2020 10: 09
        0
        So not in mine) But in the Ministry of Defense) lol
  4. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 1 November 2020 09: 04
    -9
    For full-fledged domination in the Middle East in modern realities, the Israelis need not 20, but at least 200 pieces of F-22, but better 5 times more. But the United States does not have so many planes, and Israel does not have so many pilots, airfields, and missiles.
    The one that is all, cho? The train left, at full speed !!!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 November 2020 09: 18
      10
      F-22 Israel does not need at all.
      F-35 with group, skillful use, decide everything
      problems in the air.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 November 2020 09: 25
        +6
        In the farm everything will come in handy
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 November 2020 09: 26
          +4
          How much will it cost to remodel it? belay
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 November 2020 09: 32
            +2
            laughing ... well, it's like if you are given a Rolls-Royce without the right to resell)) And you want to inject and keep it expensive, etc.
      2. kot423
        kot423 1 November 2020 09: 36
        +5
        However, yours were the first to cry that f35 was not comme il faut, and raised the issue of f22. The truth is now for candy wrappers, and not as usual - for shekels ... https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/280122/
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 November 2020 09: 40
          +7
          The conversation about the F-22 was going on when the F-35 had not yet begun mass production.
          Now the F-35 has been tested, it is being used, and we are satisfied with it.
          And the F-22, although high-speed stealth, but with the electronics of the previous generation.
          1. kot423
            kot423 1 November 2020 09: 42
            +5
            For God's sake smile Only you are not for me, but prove to Bene Gantz, I am purple smile
          2. Danila46
            Danila46 1 November 2020 10: 38
            +2
            I think it's a matter of the amount of combat load. The f-22 has an order of magnitude higher than the 35th ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 1 November 2020 11: 01
              +4
              The difference is in speed.
              F-22 - a fighter for gaining air superiority. And the interceptor.
              Can fight alone
              with any fighter.
              F-35 - fighter-bomber.
              Can air combat in a group, taking advantage of network communication.
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 57
        0
        Kushner gave the go-ahead, no one asks you, it's like a complex set under the USSR, a bundle of Georgian tea for the deficit. All the same, the money is not yours, but American money. Although it may be a lie?
      4. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        F-22 Israel does not need at all.

        Don't you link the delivery of the F22 and the bomb for the GBU-57 bunkers?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 1 November 2020 10: 15
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-22 Israel does not need at all.

          Don't you link the delivery of the F22 and the bomb for the GBU-57 bunkers?

          A hint of GDP in the booker? wink
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 10: 17
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            A hint of GDP in the booker?

            This is not relevant for Israel and only worries YOU.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 1 November 2020 10: 20
              -4
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              Quote: sabakina
              A hint of GDP in the booker?

              This is not relevant for Israel and only worries YOU.

              And you, as I understand it, are absolutely immortal ... Excuse me, are you not worried about the threefold destruction of your territory?
              1. Danila46
                Danila46 1 November 2020 13: 09
                +7
                ABOUT! Another fan of waving an adder stick ...
              2. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 13: 18
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                Excuse me, aren't you worried about the threefold destruction of your territory?

                Are you talking about 1948, 1967 and 1973?
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 November 2020 10: 20
          +2
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Don't you link the delivery of the F22 and the bomb for the GBU-57 bunkers?

          For the GBU-57 (weight 13,6 tons, length - 6,25 m, diameter - 0,8 m) strategic bombers B-2 Spirit or B-21 Raider are needed.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 14: 14
            -1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            For the GBU-57 (weight 13,6 tons, length - 6,25 m, diameter - 0,8 m) strategic bombers B-2 Spirit or B-21 Raider are needed.

            But, as you know, Israel is not asking for the sale of these aircraft.
            GBU-57 can be dropped from "Hercules" with a special platform for this.

            And as in the old joke, "dad could, but the bull is better"
            From the F-22, a frame with an engine is needed, which they deem necessary will be left, and the rest will be locally made within a year, one and a half, and now he can take this bomb.
        3. Danila46
          Danila46 1 November 2020 10: 40
          +2
          just for her. The 35th will not pull it for such a distance. And is he even fit for this tsatsi ???
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 14: 52
            0
            Quote: Danila46
            And is he even fit for this tsatsi ???

            Of course not
            This is not a tsarist business, he is imprisoned for the destruction of air defense and give commands to whom and what to destroy.
      5. Charik
        Charik 1 November 2020 18: 14
        -1
        and a couple of Raptors, in general, below the plinth, they cram the entire BV in the Air-Air theme
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 1 November 2020 09: 45
      -1
      I don’t understand. where did you see the number 20? belay
  5. K-50
    K-50 1 November 2020 09: 07
    0
    In the foreign press, including the Greek and the Middle East, it is reported that the administration of the US President Donald Trump has approved the decision to sell the 5th generation F-22 fighters to Israel.

    So they are not produced !!! belay
    Or did they decide to give a "fur coat" from the "master's" shoulder, as a slave? fellow
    Good behavior? lol
  6. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 1 November 2020 09: 15
    0
    Does this mean that they are already working on the 6th generation of the fighter? Or will appear soon
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 1 November 2020 10: 49
      +3
      More likely than not ... it looks like something better than a penguin and 22 are building
  7. Lesorub
    Lesorub 1 November 2020 09: 55
    +4
    Trump approved the decision to sell the 5th generation F-22 fighters to Israel.

    Something is outlined in the Middle East - Iran at least needs to think.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 1 November 2020 10: 15
      +2
      The Persians have long forgotten how to think, because they have the will of Allah for everything.
    2. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 1 November 2020 10: 16
      +4
      There is probably still a desire to get away with these same 22nd. Which, after a few years, will begin to lose their attractiveness, have already begun.
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 1 November 2020 10: 25
        0
        Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
        There is probably still a desire to get away with these same 22nd. Which, after a few years, will begin to lose their attractiveness, have already begun.

        It looks like just transferring the 22nd to a military partner (it's hard to call it a purchase - the Americans are already donating billions of dollars to strengthen the Israeli armed forces), and why the 22nd - apart from gaining air supremacy - means for the future - someone decided "calm down" in the region.
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 1 November 2020 10: 44
          +5
          Americans don’t do anything for free. Even for Israel ....
      2. Charik
        Charik 1 November 2020 18: 17
        -2
        To whom do they lose their attraction
        1. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 2 November 2020 00: 10
          0
          Even here on the forum. Don't get any newer?
  8. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 1 November 2020 10: 05
    +2
    and that the F-35 is no longer suitable? Or is the F-35 a problematic machine?
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 1 November 2020 10: 47
      +2
      The F-35 is more of a military headquarters in the air than a fighter-bomber. Any technique has problems.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 1 November 2020 10: 06
    +2
    It is clear what the deal between Israel and the UAE was based on, why the Jews remained silent on the purchase of the F-35 by Saudi Arabia. The USA simply sold them a more advanced version, and not this ersatz
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 1 November 2020 10: 21
      16
      The F-22 is still one of the most expensive aircraft. It's time to recoup it, otherwise a few more years - and analogues will appear in marketable quantities, and then you won't sell it at a high price.
  10. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 1 November 2020 10: 10
    +2
    Duck. The conveyor has been disassembled and redesigned for the F-35. Physically they will not be able to build them and the Congress should give the go-ahead.
  11. Revolver
    Revolver 1 November 2020 10: 13
    +4
    I wonder if this is out of stock, or will Lockheed restart production? And if new, then with the same electronics of the last century, or with an upgrade?
    In general, this is good news for Israel. And there is no need to compare with the F-35, they have different niches. The F-35 is more striking, while the F-22 is an air superiority vehicle.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 1 November 2020 10: 53
      +2
      Israel in general is changing all avionics in aircraft to domestic. And in the 35th they even got access to his software ...
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 November 2020 10: 31
    +1
    strengthening security in the Middle East and confrontation with Iran
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Why not sell. But about "strengthening security in the Middle East" is a controversial statement.
  13. Operator
    Operator 1 November 2020 10: 41
    -6
    "Sale" of F-22 from stock - in exchange for previously "sold" F-35. But "Raptors" will not last long, since their production has long been liquidated.

    And how the "Chosen of God" burned when they were told about the complete crap of the "Penguins" laughing
  14. Avior
    Avior 1 November 2020 10: 55
    +4
    There can be no question of supplying new ones, production has been stopped, and it is nonsense to re-create it for the sake of 20 pieces. A separate topic is the overwhelmingly high price of F-22 and before that, with the production of only 20 units, it will skyrocket.
    We can only talk about the transfer from the existing ones, which is hard to believe, there are not so many of them in the United States.
    So most likely this is just a duck, possibly an election one.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 1 November 2020 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Avior
      So most likely this is just a duck, possibly an election one.

      There is no other way - a curtsey to the Jewish lobby. Even if the production equipment was retained, 20 aircraft will cost as spacecraft. They cannot sell theirs. Too many buts and too much money. Definitely someone's joke
  15. Alex_You
    Alex_You 1 November 2020 11: 39
    +2
    It looks like some fairy tales, the last F-22 was rolled out in 2012, I doubt that production can be resumed. Unless to sell from those already produced.
    1. askort154
      askort154 1 November 2020 12: 11
      +1
      Alex_You ..... It looks like a fairy tale, the last F-22 was rolled out in 2012, I doubt that production can be resumed. Unless to sell from those already produced.

      From time to time, you need to put things in order in the garage. In the USA, hundreds of billions of "scrap metal" have accumulated in the confrontation with the USSR. Conservation and disposal requires huge resources. The US Congress adopted a special resolution - to allow the Pentagon to sell unused, surplus, or obsolete military products to countries allied to the United States. Moreover, in a purely American way, they give loans or "free aid" for this. So to Israel they
      most recently allocated 38 billion dl. for 10 years, specifically for defense. Now, some of these funds will return to the United States for the sale of the F-22 to them. Nothing new - circuit
      of American business on planet Earth. hi
  16. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 11: 44
    0
    Has the Senate approved?
    1. Charik
      Charik 1 November 2020 18: 20
      -1
      Most likely only Tamp - judging by the article - to stay put
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 18: 24
        -1
        It means nothing without Senate approval.
  17. fa2998
    fa2998 1 November 2020 11: 54
    +2
    Quote: K-50
    So they are not produced !!!

    And what if Russia has not produced the Tu-80 since the 160s, but has now resumed it, and America will not be able to do it in 9 years?
  18. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 1 November 2020 12: 56
    +3
    Since the "Greek media", then yes ... So far from the unofficial from Hebrew: after the "frank" negotiations of the Israeli Defense Ministry Benny Gantz in the United States, his Amer. a colleague immediately flew to Israel. The list of top-priority purchases in the United States was formulated by Israel's permanent procurement mission in Washington, "reinforced" by the general director of the Ministry of Defense, the former commander of Izr. Air Force Amir Eshel, (there may be a lot of things, including those already known from the sound plans for procurement and modernization ...) but this is not the main thing ... Full Israel access (online) to satellite. global attack warning system - SBIRS, joint integration in the development of 6th generation aviation, continuation and financing of work under the Hez-4 program (after completion of the conceptual phase), participation of the Israeli military-industrial complex in the Amer. the UAV SKYBORG program, financing by the states of Israeli developments, incl. high energy lasers, etc. etc. As for hypotheses. squadron F-22, then at the beginning of the year the F22 fleet consisted of 165 operating and 20 more for training and modernization. Due to complaints about the low SDK, when 30-50 aircraft are available at once (in case of emergency, more ...), it was decided to convert trainer aircraft into combat aircraft, and this was produced in June last year. If (and when) the planes are delivered to Israel, they will be live planes from the existing SDK.
    _____
  19. Constanty
    Constanty 1 November 2020 13: 20
    +1
    How would it look technically? After all, the Raptor's production line has long been closed, so at stake will be the aircraft used by the US Air Force, which are also quite complex.
    1. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 1 November 2020 13: 56
      +2
      About a hundred F-22s of the US Air Force cannot be used immediately and take off on orders without more or less technical training and repairs. The supply optimists believe that the squadron of the modified -F22I will always be in "Israeli" combat readiness and this is good for the United States, but who has it, it doesn't matter. So far, such fantasies ...
    2. Charik
      Charik 1 November 2020 18: 21
      -2
      Who told - that the line is closed - Trump or the heads of the Lockheads - Boeing
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 1 November 2020 19: 46
        0
        The Raptorów production line was closed shortly after the end of production in 2011, when the program was finally discontinued and its “conservation” was deemed too costly at around $ 200 million a year.

        There have been several attempts to return to production of the F-22, the last of which was in 2016, but in a report to the United States Congress, Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson indicated that the idea would be too expensive.
        Rebuilding the assembly line for 194 F-22s will cost 50 billion dollars a fifth of which will go to indirect costs. In case of resumption of production, the price of the fighter (in 2016!) Will be from 206 to 216 million dollars per copy.
  20. Charik
    Charik 1 November 2020 17: 42
    -2
    it is reported that the administration of the President of the United States Donald Trump approved - and most importantly here - APPROVED
    1. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 1 November 2020 18: 24
      0
      Here! Yesterday Israeli electr. Media reported that Trump approved something else ... "הנשיא טראמפ אישר מכירת ציללות גרעיניות לישראל" (President Trump approved the sale of nuclear submarines to Israel)
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 18: 49
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        Quote: Oleg Olkha
        "הנשיא טראמפ אישר מכירת ציללות גרעיניות לישראל

        Please provide a link to this post.
        1. Oleg Olkha
          Oleg Olkha 3 November 2020 18: 46
          0
          Please, if I can only insert a screen from a computer, (31.10.2020 יום שבת) this resource persistently does not insert my photos ... What could Trump say, "even nuclear submarines" - are there any doubts? laughing (chose the file, inserted the selected, sent ... well?) and there even a photo of Amer. PLA, jokers ...
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          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 3 November 2020 21: 54
            0
            Quote: Oleg Olkha
            Here it is also there if available to you.

            Unfortunately.

            Both sites.
            1. Oleg Olkha
              Oleg Olkha 3 November 2020 22: 52
              0
              Yes, this is the "most dangerous" Israeli military history. forum in Russian where I, a pensioner, have been for 12 years. laughing I could dump the screen in English. Linkedin (as I did) and give a link, but they know me there and this one with a call. to say "infa", in Hebrew https://www.ynet.co.il/ for 31.10.20/XNUMX/XNUMX, will cause bewildered questions - there are enough Hebrew speakers. (On Varonline it was perceived as a test for adequacy)
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 3 November 2020 23: 12
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                Quote: Oleg Olkha
                in Hebrew https://www.ynet.co.il/ for 31.10.20,

                Unfortunately I didn't find it.
                1. Oleg Olkha
                  Oleg Olkha 3 November 2020 23: 46
                  0
                  https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1306671723004415&set=a.423596794645250 поставил фото скрина в давно забытом мной ресурсе. Попробуйте...
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 3 November 2020 23: 49
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                    Quote: Oleg Olkha
                    https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1306671723004415&set=a.423596794645250

                    1. Oleg Olkha
                      Oleg Olkha 4 November 2020 00: 38
                      0
                      The blue line and opens immediately ... I give up, eye pressure. request https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009847998394
      2. Diverse
        Diverse 1 November 2020 19: 48
        0
        Oleg, do not pump it, otherwise many may have a heart attack). The sale of American nuclear submarines in general, even in the yellow press, was not discussed, especially in the Israeli one. As for the sale, this is all from the words of the Arabic-language London newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, to which all the messages refer. Also, there are two things to keep in mind. First, Congress passed a law prohibiting the export of this fighter to foreign customers. To export it, you need to change legislation. Second, the US Department of Defense has ordered manufacturers to destroy and dispose of all of the aircraft's production lines, which cost about $ 250 million. Upgrading production costs billions of dollars.

        A source close to buying fighters from Israel told the Israeli Defense Ministry that “it doesn't seem practical. To deliver the F-22s to Israel, it will be necessary to disassemble the US Air Force squadron, since the Raptor has not been produced for several years. This is for example reported at https://www.israeldefense.co.il/he/node/46208 in Hebrew. Although, I have looked at a lot of Israeli sites. Everywhere there is a reference to the same source, with the addition of only the fact that there will be deliveries of smart bombs, including a 12 ton, which they are even going to hang on the F-22.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 1 November 2020 22: 45
          +1
          Quote: Divers
          First, Congress passed a law prohibiting the export of this fighter to foreign customers.

          With regard to arms sales as part of its military assistance to Israel, Congress is acting in accordance with a law designed to enhance Israel's military advantage and protect it from perceived Iranian hostility.
          Two bipartisan MPs introduced a bill to Congress this week that would require the US Department of Defense to consider selling bombs to Israel to destroy bunkers capable of penetrating heavily fortified underground facilities. There is no such information about the F-22, but there is from various sources that Trump signed before the elections, but this did not reach Congress.
          Quote: Divers
          The US Department of Defense has ordered manufacturers to destroy and dispose of all of the aircraft's production lines, which cost about $ 250 million.

          This is not entirely true.
          Investigation of the resumption of production of the F-22, US Air Force kept secret for over a year
          The Air Force also noted approximately 95 percent of the F-22-related production tooling is still available.
          (The Air Force also noted that roughly 95 percent of the production equipment associated with the F-22 is still available.)
          The report indicated that if another country, Japan Israel, and possibly Australia, could also be interested in buying one or two squadrons of new production F-22s, it would be willing to pay the one-time costs of restarting production, but this would be at the expense of the production of F- 35 that at this stage it is not profitable.
          The most cost-effective way to increase the power of the F-22 is to upgrade the 33 old 20 F-22 units used for training and testing to full operational readiness.
          1. Diverse
            Diverse 1 November 2020 23: 13
            +1
            Vitalik, I am not at all opposed to Israel having F-22s. But, as you know, at this stage it can only be at the level of rumors. There have already been such conversations, and now, against the background of the sale of the UAE 50 F-35, they are even more active. So far, the plans are to purchase F-35A and F-15i. It will be clearer further.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 2 November 2020 00: 03
              +2
              Quote: Divers
              There have already been such conversations, and now, against the background of the sale of the UAE 50 F-35, they are even more active.

              Without objections.
              I hope you know that Israel has long wanted to acquire the GBU-57 bomb and Congress will pass a sale law, this is not a rumor, two senators from different parties have submitted this bill, which increases the chance of this law being passed.
              The Israeli Air Force has no means of delivering this bomb, except for the Hercules, which is not safe and the question arises of how to safely deliver it.
              In the United States, there are 33 non-combat F-22s for training, old modifications that they want to modify. Israel needs no more than one squadron of 12.
              It is logical to assume that this modification will be carried out by Israel and this will be the first basing of the F-22 in the Middle East, which should also suit the United States.
  21. Outsider
    Outsider 1 November 2020 20: 47
    0
    - It's a pity that this is a fake ...
  22. Gunther
    Gunther 3 November 2020 05: 21
    +1
    Surprised by agent donald, I hoped he was a faithful puppet of a rower on galleys, and he was on a bibi pratsyuchi.
  23. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 3 November 2020 07: 06
    -1
    It's a little unclear, what is the resumption of production? But this will require a lot of money, and it's time to upgrade the car. If so, then the car will be sold and otherwise not profitable.