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No sales to Argentina, including the Su-24: how the British are hindering the renewal of the aircraft fleet

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The Falklands War of 1982 significantly weakened the power of the Argentine Air Force, whose authorities, after its completion, have repeatedly tried to update the fleet of combat aircraft.


However, the realization of this desire is actively opposed by Britain, which manages to impose an embargo. In particular, we are talking about attempts to purchase the South Korean KAI FA-50 Fighting Eagle. This light combat aircraft was named the preferred option mainly due to the price and its adoption by Korea and the Philippines. However, the FA-50 has a number of British parts. First of all, we are talking about the Martin Baker ejection seat, which is widely used all over the world.

The Italian company Leonardo is promoting its M-346. However, even if the purchase is approved, Argentina will still face a British embargo on the supply of seats.

At the same time, Russia several years ago offered to sell or lease the Su-24 bomber (in the amount of 12 units), but then London secured reliable international support to prevent the implementation of this plan. Acting on the principle of "no sales to Argentina," the British also thwarted the acquisition of the Saab Gripen from Brazil, since they were produced using British products.

It is possible that Argentina will eventually have to rely on Chinese or, nevertheless, Russian military vehicles when updating the Air Force fleet.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 November 2020 07: 49
    17
    Unfortunately, Argentina has no money. The option with the Chinese, it seems to me more real. For some kind of bun, they will put Chinese planes.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 08: 08
      17
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Unfortunately Argentina has no money.

      Su-24 is also possible on credit. It is high time for us to change them for the Su-34. Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there? what
      Quote: tralflot1832
      No, the option with the Chinese seems more real to me.

      The Chinese also prefer for money.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 16
        -8
        We have already strengthened the Navy by transferring several Oil and Gas companies, and they are probably still paying the price.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 1 November 2020 08: 26
          +8
          Quote: tralflot1832
          We have already strengthened the Navy by transferring several Oil and Gas

          can still the civilian fleet?
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 12
            -2
            Remember the epic with the Argentine submarine, they did not even have rescuers. It was by the kindness of their soul that Naftogaz was transferred to the Argentine Navy as rescuers.
      2. KCA
        KCA 1 November 2020 08: 53
        23
        Argentina has beef that Russia buys, this is at least
        1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 1 November 2020 09: 21
          10
          Well, yes, and at the same time damage our own agriculture in terms of beef production ...
          No, let us buy that beef, for now, but our agrarians, at least slowly, are increasing the livestock
          1. KCA
            KCA 1 November 2020 10: 36
            10
            So the fact of the matter is that slowly, this bird is growing rapidly, we even have an overproduction, but for cattle we will not soon give up import
        2. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 09: 22
          +8
          Quote: KCA
          eat beef

          Oil "Gold". It was either Argentine or Labinsky MEZ (Krasnodar Territory)
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 2 November 2020 11: 13
            -1
            The producer "Yug Rusi", Rostovites, belongs to them and the MEZ Labinsky. It is unlikely that Argentinean oil, now overproduction in Russia, may have been earlier.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 12: 06
              +2
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Producer "Yug Rusi", Rostovites, they and the MEZ Labinsky own

              So it is now. In the early 00s, I myself lived in Labinsk and I know for sure that there was either an Argentinean or a Labinsk one on the Zlato market.
              Quote: Okolotochny
              earlier maybe.

              hi
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 2 November 2020 12: 33
                -4
                Well, earlier (in the 90s) pearls and briquetted meat from the same Argentina, Brazil, Australia (kangaroo!) To Russia. Many of our backwaters were re-equipped for cutting this, then they introduced a ban on the import of briquettes. hi
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 13: 52
                  +3
                  In 99 he worked at a fish cannery in the town of Polessk, Kaliningrad. Remember mad cow disease? So the deliveries from England have already stopped, but we still managed to receive a steamer from Ireland. For 2 days, the refrigerator was hammered under the ceiling. I almost killed with such a briquette. The first one casually walked along the back, the second wheel on a square in half. belay
        3. sergo1914
          sergo1914 1 November 2020 09: 37
          +6
          Quote: KCA
          Argentina has beef that Russia buys, this is at least



          Their cheeses are delicious. Parmesan is generally worth a dozen.
          1. garik77
            garik77 2 November 2020 23: 03
            0
            It seems that salmon are also produced. We have a gag with fish on the domestic market so far
        4. Andrey Ostroushko
          Andrey Ostroushko 1 November 2020 12: 53
          -3
          Is Russia exporting its beef to China and the Middle East and buying Argentinean at the same time?
          1. KCA
            KCA 1 November 2020 12: 59
            +4
            Logistics, the United States is trying to shove its LNG into everyone, and at the same time buys Russian LNG
            1. Andrey Ostroushko
              Andrey Ostroushko 1 November 2020 17: 23
              0
              In the United States, they know how to count money, they buy our LNG because it is cheaper even with delivery across the ocean than their local shale, which can be forcibly sold to all Europe and Ukraine.
              1. KCA
                KCA 1 November 2020 17: 36
                0
                It is exactly what is cheaper, I write - logistics, it is cheaper for them to buy gas from Yamal LNG through several intermediaries than to drive their gas carriers from the southwest to the northeast
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 1 November 2020 23: 37
            +5
            Is Russia exporting its beef to China and the Middle East and buying Argentinean at the same time?

            There is a completely different beef, this does not grow in Russia.

            I'm interested in something else. And how did the small British manage to block the sale of the SU-24? Someone at Rossoboronexport is taking orders from their Korroleva or what?
            1. Sergey M. Karasev
              Sergey M. Karasev 2 November 2020 13: 29
              +2
              And how did the small British manage to block the sale of the SU-24? Someone at Rossoboronexport is taking orders from their Korroleva or what?

              And really, how did they do it?
              Alexander asked a question, he was stuck "-". Did he ask something indecent?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 November 2020 14: 04
                0
                Minus for beef probably :)
                1. Sergey M. Karasev
                  Sergey M. Karasev 2 November 2020 14: 27
                  0
                  In principle, it is quite possible.
        5. iouris
          iouris 1 November 2020 20: 44
          -5
          Quote: KCA
          Argentina has beef that Russia buys

          And who will buy meat to whom at an exorbitant price? There are very few of those who can buy in "this country".
          1. KCA
            KCA 1 November 2020 20: 52
            +2
            They sell deep-frozen beef, which is not a close path from Argentina, and it goes mainly to meat processing plants, to sausages
        6. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 2 November 2020 09: 49
          0
          Quote: KCA
          Argentina has beef that Russia buys, this is at least

          Argentina has a lot of things out of it, but it's all done by private traders. How to change this to planes?
          1. KCA
            KCA 2 November 2020 09: 56
            +3
            The state buys products from private traders, thereby subsidizing agriculture and leaving money in the country, exchanging products for weapons, so 3 birds with one stone are killed at once,
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 2 November 2020 13: 08
              0
              Quote: KCA
              The state buys products from private traders, thereby subsidizing agriculture and leaving money in the country, exchanging products for weapons, so 3 birds with one stone are killed at once,

              Do you think they will buy at world prices? And then give us a markup? Too long chain ends up and too much money sticks along the way. As a result, the meat turns out to be golden
              1. KCA
                KCA 2 November 2020 14: 17
                0
                Do you think the price of airplanes will be the same as when paying with real money? The same will be thrown taking into account the costs
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 1 November 2020 09: 43
        +8
        I would sell planes to Argentina, just for organizing a provocation with the Skripals!
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Su-24 is also possible on credit. It is high time for us to change them for the Su-34. Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there?

        There is:
        Historically, mining in Argentina has been negligible, but in the last ten years it has started to grow, mainly due to ores: gold, platinum, zinc, manganese, uranium, copper and sulfur.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 09: 53
          +7
          Quote: APASUS
          gold, platinum, zinc, manganese, uranium, copper and sulfur.

          Well, there is something to take. In Latin America, revenge of the socialist forces is on the way. China is investing money with might and main. While we are friends, it would not hurt us to hurry up.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 1 November 2020 09: 55
            +7
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            While we are friends, it would not hurt us to hurry up.

            So I say, you can even take barter, there are not very bad positions on the list
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 1 November 2020 18: 06
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              So I say, you can even take barter

              and a naval base can be organized and airfields. also profit request
        2. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 2 November 2020 13: 32
          0
          Uranium would be very useful to us. There is a lot of stress in Russia with uranium-containing ores.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 2 November 2020 19: 12
            0
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            Uranium would be very useful to us. There is a lot of stress in Russia with uranium-containing ores.

            Uranium is a very liquid raw material, which has value in the international market, although there is not much of it left in the world and it would be useful for us
      4. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 10: 15
        10
        Football, meat and Argentines, what we take as payment for SS 24. Was there a conversation about a supply base for our Navy? I completely forgot the vinyl, I like more than French and Spanish.
      5. Engineer
        Engineer 1 November 2020 10: 22
        +1
        What does Argentina have there? what

        Cocainum

        https://www.currenttime.tv/a/moscow-buenos-aires-cocaine/30293853.html
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 10: 33
          +3
          Quote: Engineer
          Cocainum

          There is a lot of this good in any country. laughing
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 1 November 2020 10: 43
            +1
            We must take. There are no other options
            You understand, if you give people, for example, taste Argentine beef, Miratorg will cover ... well, with a basin
            PS Still, the best steak in my life was from New Zealand beef
            Kiwis don't need accidentally drying?
            1. Liam
              Liam 1 November 2020 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Engineer
              Must take

              Good beef makes you addicted to cocaine
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 1 November 2020 10: 58
                -2
                Good beef makes you addicted to cocaine

                I have goulash replacement therapy today
                1. Liam
                  Liam 1 November 2020 10: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Engineer
                  goulash

                  Also bread)
                  Have you tried Fiorentina?
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer 1 November 2020 11: 05
                    +1
                    Here you are a Russophobe))
                    I don't even know such words
                    Or is it a Florentine steak? No
                    According to the description, it looks like a violation of the usual canons of cooking
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 1 November 2020 11: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Engineer
                      Florentine steak?

                      He is the most. I recommend


                      1. Engineer
                        Engineer 1 November 2020 11: 14
                        0
                        In the last picture, there is some kind of art unattainable for me.
                        Evenly fried, without the slightest traces of burning, and even thick enough
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 1 November 2020 11: 20
                        0
                        One portion-1 kg. In a restaurant around 60/70 euros, without wine)
                      3. Engineer
                        Engineer 1 November 2020 11: 34
                        +3
                        One serving - 1 kg

                        The Unbearable Weight of Italian Life
                  2. CastroRuiz
                    CastroRuiz 1 November 2020 15: 53
                    0
                    T-bon steak.
                  3. Revolver
                    Revolver 2 November 2020 04: 32
                    0
                    Quote: CastroRuiz
                    T-bon steak.

                    In America, the price is roughly $ 10 - $ 12 for 454 grams (1 lb) of raw t-bone steak.
                2. Kruglov
                  Kruglov 2 November 2020 04: 53
                  +2
                  What an infection! And so to eat hunting. And then such ...! laughing
      6. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 10: 48
        +6
        Quote: Engineer
        Miratorg will cover ... well, with a basin

        Miratorg is three steps away from me. wink
        The main supplier is the Pravdinsky livestock complex. Thank God, we develop our own. Pork ~ 180 RUB
        1. Liam
          Liam 1 November 2020 10: 51
          -5
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Pork ~ 180 rub

          Meat cannot be good at 2 euros per kilo by definition
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 11: 21
            +8
            Probably tried? I say it again, our pork ranges from 160 to 220 rubles per kg. Naturally on the bone. Do not believe me, come take a look and try. Kaliningrad.
            1. Liam
              Liam 1 November 2020 11: 22
              -5
              I certainly wouldn't buy meat at 2 euros per kilo, just like an iPhone at 50
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 11: 51
                +7
                Quote: Liam
                I wouldn't buy meat for 2 euros per kilo.

                The owner is a master ... But here, with all the desire, you will not find more expensive. At least in a supermarket, at least in the market, at least in specialized stores, at least at my grandfather's in the village (on apples, but gruel grown), a maximum of 250 rubles. Lamb from 270 to 350 rubles per kg.
                But for you personally, if you come, I will organize 500 rubles each. But not less than half of the carcass, otherwise it makes no sense to bother. laughing
                1. Black Colonel
                  Black Colonel 1 November 2020 12: 29
                  +6
                  As the famous person said, LYASHA'S MONEY IS HARNESS to the dude.
                2. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 12: 43
                  +4
                  Quote: Black Colonel
                  As a famous person said,

                  - "Mexican Tushkan" ...
                  - "Well, you ... you were deceived. This is the Shanghai Leopard! I see how the fur plays in the sun" ...
            2. uncle Vlad
              uncle Vlad 10 November 2020 07: 51
              -1
              You are unhappy in Moscow and you buy salty green tomatoes at 250 rubles per kilo. I generally wonder how they sell substandard more expensive meat than meat.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 1 November 2020 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            pork in our country ranges from 160 to 220 rubles per kg. Naturally on the bone. Do not believe me, come take a look and try. Kaliningrad.

            Colleague, every Saturday-Sunday in "Papasha Beppe", among other things, I order "pork on the bone" (Pork on a rib), so this miracle costs 470-490 rubles. Therefore, where did you see 220 rubles for me, the mystery of the century! Or are you kidding?
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 17: 31
              +3
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              I am every Saturday-Sunday in "Papa Beppe"

              Did I talk about premium restaurants and cafes? what
              I told....
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              At least in a supermarket, at least in the market, at least in specialized stores, at least at my grandfather's in the village (on apples, and grown porridge), a maximum of 250 rubles.

              Marketplace on the Okorus district, 4-6 butcher shops (farmer's). Yes, go to the market, to the central one, by the way with "Daddy" ...
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Therefore, where did you see 220 rubles for me, the mystery of the century! Or are you kidding?

              "How far they were from the people ...." ©
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 2 November 2020 11: 17
                -2
                That's right, it's like comparing coffee from Starbucks and from a private coffee shop, the quality is the same, and the price level is. For pork, your prices are correct, plus or minus on average. Homemade is only slightly more expensive, 30 rubles per kilo.
          3. Grits
            Grits 2 November 2020 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Don't believe me, come take a look and try. Kaliningrad.

            I will not say anything for pork, but somehow I came across canned food in a store (Primorsky Territory) - chicken meat. At the price of 45 rubles. Manufactured ... in Kaliningrad. And he went a little crazy - how can you stay within such a price range with such a leverage of logistics?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 2 November 2020 13: 05
              +3
              Quote: Gritsa
              And he went a little crazy - how can you stay within such a price range with such a leverage of logistics?

              Easily - for large volumes and logistics. After all, a huge amount of canned food and other useful cargoes in refrigerated trucks comes from the Far East, and in order not to drive carriages in vain, the railway can reduce tariffs for cargo in the direction of the Far East.
            2. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 14: 02
              +2
              I was surprised myself ... laughing In the Krasnodar Territory, in Magnet, lasagna "Golden Cockerel" in Kaliningrad is cheaper than at our sale. And fish (mackerel, herring) is cheaper. But our milk and cheese are cheaper.
        2. Bobik012
          Bobik012 2 November 2020 05: 09
          0
          Here's another adept, well, buy a Chinese one with a New Zealand sticker for twenty
    2. Bobik012
      Bobik012 2 November 2020 05: 06
      0
      I tried this "steak", treated to a well-to-do relative, boasted (I'm not sure, it's true, it's New Zealand), bullshit, cat shish kebab on the market is better :-)
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 2 November 2020 09: 53
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      We must take. There are no other options
      You understand, if you give people, for example, taste Argentine beef, Miratorg will cover ... well, with a basin
      PS Still, the best steak in my life was from New Zealand beef
      Kiwis don't need accidentally drying?

      Process this beef into sausage with the addition of all kinds of crap and you won't even feel the taste
    4. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 2 November 2020 13: 34
      0
      Yet the best steak in my life was New Zealand beef

      Maybe the point, nevertheless, was in the cook, and not in the beef?
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 1 November 2020 10: 30
    +6
    does Argentina have?
    awesome beef they have ...
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 10: 46
      +5
      Charcoal-grilled beef in Argentina is called asada. good drinks hi
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 1 November 2020 12: 11
        +1
        Charcoal-grilled beef in Argentina is called asada.
        I forgot the name, tried it for a long time when I was in Spain.
  • poquello
    poquello 1 November 2020 10: 46
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Su-24 is also possible on credit. It is high time for us to change them for the Su-34. Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there?

    Goya cheese, at a price of about a hundred per 100 grams, the price tag is too big
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 November 2020 10: 55
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    What does Argentina have there?

    Beef is available in large quantities .. But we still import it ...
  • iouris
    iouris 1 November 2020 11: 01
    -2
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Su-24 is also possible on credit.

    ... or in exchange for Maradona.
    1. Liam
      Liam 1 November 2020 11: 03
      -4
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Su-24 is also possible on credit.

      ... or in exchange for Maradona.

      Then you need to take cocaine too. Maradona will not agree without him
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 11: 15
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      .or in exchange for Maradona

      He did not take root in Belarus, I think too. Yes, and old already ... Messi is still far from it, but better Agueru he is younger. Su-2 will pull just 24. laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 18
        +3
        Then only in CSKA. There at least playing military with titles remained? hi
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 12: 37
          +6
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Then only in CSKA.

          good Horses forward !!! drinks
          Oh, in vain you, this topic is hooked ... Now we are with you, from the "pigs" and "homeless" minuses we get. wink
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Are there even playing military men with titles left?

          We'll hang shoulder straps for everyone, if that. Akinfeev, at least a colonel. soldier
          hi
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 40
            +4
            For the left leg, worthy. good drinks hi
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 November 2020 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      ... or in exchange for Maradona.

      "You won't go far in a carriage of the past!" (from)
      Why do we need an old junkie? we ourselves have a lot of young people!
      And someday our football will learn to play!
      ("Well, well, I dreamed and waking up, it's time to sleep, go to bed, and I'll hide my bed" (c))
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 November 2020 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Unfortunately Argentina has no money.

    Su-24 is also possible on credit.

    And to the workers of Russian aircraft factories, to issue salary with luminium?
    It is advisable to issue a loan to a country that is solvent and / or with which there are many joint projects that provide profit for the Russian economy ...
    There are such projects ...
    Russian business sees great potential in the Argentine market 
    It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/other/40464642/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
    However, the Russian Federation is not yet a major exporter, nor a major importer of Argentina ...
    The largest trading partners for the import of goods into Argentina in 2019 were
    Brazil with a share of 20% (10 billion US $)
    China with a share of 18,8% (US $ 9,25 billion)
    USA with a share of 12,7% (6,27 billion US $)
    Germany with a share of 5,63% (2,76 billion US $)
    Paraguay with a share of 3,35% (1,64 billion US $)
    Bolivia with a share of 2,78% (1,36 billion US $)
    Thailand with a share of 2,41% (1,18 billion US $)
    Italy with a share of 2,29% (1,12 billion US $)
    Mexico with a share of 2,29% (1,12 billion US $)
    Spain with a share of 1,98% (977 million US $)
    The main export destinations of goods from Argentina in 2019 were

    Brazil with a share of 15,9% (10,3 billion US $)
    China with a share of 10,4% (US $ 6,81 billion)
    USA with a share of 6,31% (4,1 billion US $)
    Chile with a share of 4,71% (3,06 billion US $)
    Vietnam with a share of 4,3% (2,8 billion US $)
    India with a share of 3,31% (2,15 billion US $)
    Netherlands with a share of 2,77% (US $ 1,8 billion)
    Switzerland with a share of 2,59% (1,68 billion US $)
    Indonesia with a 2,49% stake (US $ 1,62 billion)
    Peru with a share of 2,43% (1,58 billion US $)
    https://trendeconomy.ru/data/h2/Argentina/TOTAL
    The sale or transfer on a gratuitous basis of the Su-24 (in the form of a front-line bomber or reconnaissance aircraft) from among those withdrawn from the VKS and MA of the Russian Navy, is possible for a wider opening of the Argentine market for Russian manufacturers, primarily of civilian products ...
    "A few days ago, in response to a request from Russia, we opened the market for compound feed to demonstrate that we are tied by bonds of friendship," Milisevich said.
    Busterra, in turn, noted that a number of Argentine agricultural producers want to get permission to enter the Russian market or expand the range of products supplied.

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9770917
    It is high time for us to change them for the Su-34.

    What the Russian Federation has been doing for a long time, the process itself is close to completion ...
    Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there?

    A lot of things, meat, wine ...
    The Su-24 is interesting for the Argentine Air Force, first of all, as a possible carrier of anti-ship missiles ... this is what the British seem to be afraid of ...
    To increase the trade turnover between the Russian Federation and Argentina, painstaking and constant work of the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is necessary, which they are not used to, so if there was an opportunity, the Russian Federation would sell these Su-24s on credit, without thinking about refunding money if we are oil-producing Venezuela before crisis did not return the debts for the supply of V and VT, then God himself ordered Argentina ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 1 November 2020 11: 47
      +6
      Quote: Lara Croft
      The Su-24 is interesting for the Argentine Air Force, first of all, as a possible carrier of anti-ship missiles ... this is what the British seem to be afraid of ...

      If we go back to the Falklands War, then even then its outcome could have been radically different if Argentina had decided to come to an agreement with the USSR on anti-ship missiles, rather than buying the French Exocet, which let them down, despite the fact that they sank the newest ship :
      However, even the newest American super-destroyer Zamvolt would not have saved the British sailors. On the fateful morning, being in a combat zone, the commander of Sheffield ordered to turn off all the radar and electronic devices of the ship - so as not to interfere with his conversations on the satellite channel Skynet.
      The flying missile was visually noticed from the bridge only a second before it hit the destroyer. The Exocet smashed the side, flew through the galley and collapsed in the engine room. The warhead of the Argentinean missile, as expected, did not explode, but the torch from the rocket engine was enough for the destroyer - the aluminum structures of the hull flared up, the synthetic decoration of the premises flared up into an intolerable heat, the sheaths of the cables crackled. The tragicomedy ended sadly: "Sheffield" completely burned down and a week later sank while being towed. 20 people from the crew of his team were killed.

      https://topwar.ru/25339-gibel-korabley-epizody-folklendskoy-voyny.html
      So we are simply obliged to supply our planes and anti-ship missiles to Argentina, of course, not free of charge, because this country is solvent. But it's not even about its solvency - the whole problem is that the decrepit Great Britain will still cede these islands to Argentina and it will be best for us to immediately decide on whose side we are in a future military conflict. At least such contracts will be beneficial to us, which means that we need to fill this niche in the Argentinean arms market as soon as possible.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 1 November 2020 12: 31
        -8
        ccsr (ccsr)that the decrepit Great Britain will still cede these islands to Argentina

        You reminded me of Petrosyan's monologue about the "decaying FRG", Great Britain in 1982 carried out an operation 12 nautical miles from the metropolis to return the lands belonging to the Crown in the "war at the end of the world", was in the worst economic situation, but won that war (this the war saved M. Thatcher, and Great Britain was finally accepted into the "Common Market" and on its terms) ...
        Immediately after the war, the British built a large airfield on one of the islands, the positions of the radar and air defense missile systems, and also deployed an MPB with reinforcement units there, a link of Typhoon fighters and a detachment of ships are stationed on the island on a permanent basis ....
        and it will be best for us to immediately decide on whose side we are in a future military conflict

        I believe that the Russian Federation does not need to get involved in a military conflict with a nuclear power (a NATO member and having behind its back the entire British Commonwealth of the Nation with 1/3 of the world's population) just to help some Argentina return its territories to it .. .you still hope to sit out on your couch, as I understand it ...
        At least such contracts will be beneficial to us, which means that we need to fill this niche in the Argentinean arms market as soon as possible.

        Argentina is insolvent and is under the management of the IMF, solvent Venezuela in its "fat" years did not return the money for the supplied В and ВТ ... until now ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 November 2020 16: 52
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          You reminded me of Petrosyan's monologue about the "decaying FRG", Great Britain in 1982 carried out an operation 12 nautical miles from the mother country to return the lands belonging to the Crown in the "war at the end of the world", was in the worst economic situation, but won that war

          First, there were several reasons why they won this war, and one of them is that the United States provided them with all the intelligence that was decisive in the victory in the Falklands.
          Secondly, Argentina was clearly not ready to enter a full-scale war with a country that has nuclear weapons. By the way, it was precisely the warning about the use of nuclear weapons against Argentina that was the main reason for the "success" of the British, so this should not be neglected.
          Thirdly, if the Argentine Air Force had our anti-ship missiles in the required quantity, it is still unknown how that war would have ended.
          Now they may well want to take revenge, and this is for our military-industrial complex in the vein, if they turn to us for the purchase of weapons.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Immediately after the war, the British built a large airfield on one of the islands, the positions of the radar and air defense missile systems, and also deployed an MPB with reinforcement units there, a link of Typhoon fighters and a detachment of ships are stationed on the island on a permanent basis ....

          Argentine authorities will thank the British for the development of infrastructure when the islands return to them.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          I believe that the Russian Federation does not need to get involved in a military conflict with a nuclear power (a NATO member and having behind its back the entire British Commonwealth of the Nation with 1/3 of the world's population)

          And we will not get involved - we will simply sell modern weapons to Argentina, if they have something to pay for it. In this case, we will act the same way as the Americans, British and Israelis do - do not stand in the pose of Mother Teresa, but rather think about how we can earn money for our people by selling weapons.

          Quote: Lara Croft
          .you still hope to sit out on your couch, as I understand it ...

          Do not engage in verbiage - at least I served, but you have been looking at military affairs from the couch all your life, that is why those who really assess the current situation do not perceive your tears.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Argentina is insolvent and is under the management of the IMF, solvent Venezuela in its "fat" years did not return the money for the supplied В and ВТ ... until now ...

          What makes you think that Venezuela did not pay us for weapons - who reported to you about this? Maybe you know the rate of return that we pledged at the conclusion of this deal, and tell us about it in numbers? Otherwise, it may turn out that we have not only returned the entire cost of weapons, but also have been receiving income from their sale for many years, and moreover, higher than the bank interest on a loan from the IMF. However, you seem to be a couch analyst, so you are talking nonsense, completely not understanding how the arms trade in the world is built.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 1 November 2020 18: 14
            +2
            Quote: ccsr
            Secondly, Argentina was clearly not ready to enter a full-scale war with a country that has nuclear weapons.

            a little shorter "Argentina was clearly not ready to go to full-scale war", given that 80% of Argentine ammunition simply did not explode request At the same time, it should be noted that if Argentina took care of the safety of its arsenals, then not a single ship with a landing party would have reached the theater of operations in Britain. they all got hit by bombs on the way.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 1 November 2020 18: 16
            -2
            ccsr (ccsr)First, there were several reasons why they won this war, and one of them is that the United States provided them with all the intelligence that was decisive in the victory in the Falklands.

            No amount of intelligence can be decisive compared to the troops fighting on the battlefield .... France also helped, as a large number of V and VTs for the Argentines was French ...
            Secondly, Argentina was clearly not ready to enter a full-scale war with a country that has nuclear weapons.

            Why? After all, it was Argentina who unleashed a war with Great Britain, and not vice versa, in addition, the capture of the archipelago was successful and quick ...
            By the way exactly warning about the use of nuclear weapons against Argentina and was the main reason for the "success" of the British, so this should not be neglected.

            Can you give an official source about this?
            Thirdly, if the Argentine Air Force had our anti-ship missiles in the required quantity, it is still unknown how that war would have ended.

            If grandma had eggs, she would be grandpa ....
            Now they may well want to take revenge.

            Do not equate everyone by yourself, they are not fools and not suicides ...
            and this is for our military-industrial complex in a vein, if they turn to us for the purchase of weapons.

            last but not least ... contacting us, this is only in order to tease the Empireists and beat out preferences in terms of the economy ...
            Argentine authorities will thank the British for the development of infrastructure when the islands return to them.

            you directly repeat the words of the "ancient Sumerians" in relation to the Crimea, and in either case you only have to dream about it, besides, I don’t understand what difference it makes to you personally, who owns the archipelago in the South Atlantic?
            And we will not get involved - we will simply sell modern weapons to Argentina, if they have something to pay for it.

            And what prevented us from doing this earlier, incl. in relation to the same Armenia? "Blessed is he who believes ....."
            Do not engage in verbiage - at least I served, and you have been looking at military affairs from the couch all your life

            And you go to the same place, how do you know what I have been doing all my life and whether I have served or not, or is it such a form of dialogue, when there are no arguments, you have to say something disgusting, you are right as a child ... served one of the kind and trusting members of the forum or not, and the sofas are all different, what color do you have, on a wheelbase or on a caterpillar track?
            What makes you think that Venezuela did not pay us for weapons - who reported to you about this?

            Try reading the periodicals, or were you even banned on Google?
            However, you seem to be a couch analyst, so you are talking nonsense, completely not understanding how the arms trade in the world is built.

            Such talent is free! In your person, ROSOBORONEXPORT has apparently lost a valuable specialist, and you all either serve or write nonsense ... years go by ... He will write a recommendation to you and extracts from your comments ... only for them you will receive at least a Pulitzer Prize ...
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 2 November 2020 12: 46
              -1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              No amount of intelligence can be decisive compared to the troops fighting on the battlefield.

              This is how all amateurs reason, but the commanders consider the main thing to have reliable information about the plans and capabilities of the enemy in any battle.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Why? After all, it was Argentina who unleashed a war with Great Britain, and not vice versa, in addition, the capture of the archipelago was successful and quick ...

              Because they miscalculated Thatcher's reaction, hoping that as a woman she would be afraid to start a war for the islands.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Can you give an official source about this?

              You wouldn't be allowed to see him anyway, so believe it or not, that's up to you.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Do not equate everyone by yourself, they are not fools and not suicides ...

              I don’t know, I don’t know .... Look at Pashinyan and Aliyev, and can you explain the train of their thoughts at the beginning of the war, since you know everything.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              I don’t understand what difference does it make to you personally who owns the archipelago in the South Atlantic?

              It makes absolutely no difference to me, but I consider it a sacred thing to put a pig on the UK with these islands, if only for the fact that they constantly shit on us. Debt payment is red - so it is accepted in our people. And we also have interests in Latin America - it's time to get down to it seriously.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              And what prevented us from doing this earlier, incl. in relation to the same Armenia?

              As far as I know, we even trained Armenian officers at home, not to mention the supply of weapons - you are probably not in the subject.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              And you to the same place, how do you know what I have been doing all my life and whether I served or not,

              This is immediately determined by your demagoguery.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Try reading the periodicals, or were you even banned on Google?

              So you don't even know about the Agreement itself and its numbers, since you started talking about Google. Do you seriously believe that they write about such things on the internet? Well, well, and you are also surprised that you are perceived that way ...
              Quote: Lara Croft
              In your person, ROSOBORONEXPORT has apparently lost a valuable specialist,

              At one time I was a specialist, unlike you, and skill, as the people say, cannot be spent on drink. Learn materiel to begin with, then you may be taken seriously.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 November 2020 13: 53
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        the decrepit Great Britain will still cede these islands to Argentina and it will be best for us to immediately decide on whose side we are in the future military conflict. At least such contracts will be beneficial to us,

        Colleague!
        1. At the end of the war, a referendum was held on the islands, and the majority of the population spoke in favor of remaining subjects of Her Majesty ... This fish is looking where deeper, and homosapiens - where the food is nourishing!
        2. Our oligarchy, registered in LONDON, will crack in half, but will not allow any deals to be concluded to the detriment of the interests of the "alternate airfield", because who wants to lose everything acquired by "excessive labor" from the privatization of the 90s ...
        3. Behind Kingsdom is Uncle Sam, and WHO is behind the Silvers? China?
        So, ours will not quarrel with the mighty of this world, for the sake of vague benefits in the future. Not the case in terms of national interests ...
        AHA.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 November 2020 17: 04
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          1. At the end of the war, a referendum was held on the islands, and the majority of the population spoke in favor of remaining subjects of Her Majesty ... This fish is looking where deeper, and homosapiens - where the food is nourishing!

          This is not a reason to return the islands to those to whom they belonged before. In Hong Kong, life was also better under the British, but the Chinese authorities decided differently, not bothering much with the opinion of the inhabitants of this city. Next in line is Taiwan - I think you will witness this return as well.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          2. Our oligarchy, registered in LONDON, will crack in half, but will not allow any deals to be concluded to the detriment of the interests of the "alternate airfield", because who wants to lose everything acquired by "excessive labor" from the privatization of the 90s ...

          This is all solvable, and our oligarchs themselves do not know how to get their money back from London, so this can be ignored by our authorities.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          3. Behind Kingsdom is Uncle Sam, and WHO is behind the Silvers? China?

          I agree with this, but the maintenance of the Falkland Islands is also expensive for Great Britain, and given the current crises, I do not exclude that the British simply do not have enough desire to wage war, as it was in 1982.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So, ours will not quarrel with the powers that be, for the sake of vague benefits in the future.

          Well, we got into Syria without the blessing of the powers that be, and for some reason none of our rulers suffered from this. So why don't we sell Argentina what it needs? The embargo on arms supplies to Iran has now been lifted - it will be much worse for the West when we resume deliveries of our air defense systems and other weapons. This is what will strain them more than our agreements on the supply of arms to Argentina - we must use our trump cards, this is the guarantee that we will not lose in the confrontation.
          It's time to put pressure on the West in all directions, then they will quickly begin to lift the sanctions, and treat us with more respect. And if you follow your advice, we will once again become whipping boys - is that what you want?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 1 November 2020 18: 36
            -3
            ccsr (ccsr)This is not a reason to return the islands to those to whom they belonged before.

            Previously, they belonged to the Spaniards ...
            https://topwar.ru/72142-folklendy-ili-malviny-tridcat-tri-goda-nazad-nachalas-anglo-argentinskaya-voyna.html
            Next in line is Taiwan - I think you will witness this return as well.

            This is where the golden time will come for our military-industrial complex ...
            maintaining the Falkland Islands is also expensive for the UK

            What a bad habit of counting other people's money?
            It should be noted that exploration for possible oil fields has begun in the Falkland Islands in recent years. Preliminary estimates put oil reserves at 60 billion barrels. If indeed the Falklands have such significant oil resources, then they are potentially one of the largest oil regions in the world. In this case, the UK will, of course, never relinquish its jurisdiction over the Falklands. On the other hand, the bulk of the English-speaking population of the Falkland Islands is not going to renounce British citizenship and become citizens of Argentina. So, 99,8% of those who voted in the 2013 referendum on the political status of the islands were in favor of maintaining the status of an overseas territory of Great Britain.

            https://topwar.ru/72142-folklendy-ili-malviny-tridcat-tri-goda-nazad-nachalas-anglo-argentinskaya-voyna.html
            Well, we got into Syria without the blessing of the powers that be, and for some reason none of our rulers suffered from this.

            Here the interests of the Party and the Government and the oligarchs fed by them coincided ...
            The embargo on arms supplies to Iran has now been lifted - it will be much worse for the West when we resume deliveries of our air defense systems and other weapons.

            It is not a fact that the entire range of В and ВТ will be purchased from us, and not from China ...
            It's time to put pressure on the West in all directions, then they will quickly begin to lift the sanctions, and treat us more respectfully.

            We will be treated with respect when we have a strong economy and a focused foreign policy, and we don’t even know what kind of power will come tomorrow to this or that CIS country ...
            once again we'll be whipping boys

            We do everything for this ourselves ...
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 2 November 2020 12: 59
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Previously, they belonged to the Spaniards ...

              India used to belong to a British colony - and what follows from this, based on your conclusions?
              Quote: Lara Croft
              This is where the golden time will come for our military-industrial complex ...

              Save these thoughts for another category of your admirers, for me it is an empty phrase.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              What a bad habit of counting other people's money?

              In general, I do not care about these islands and the profitability of their resources, I have already told you that our goal is different - to put a pig on the UK for the fact that she constantly shits on us. And if we also make money on this, then this is generally a sacred cause for our military-industrial complex.

              Quote: Lara Croft
              Here the interests of the Party and the Government and the oligarchs fed by them coincided ...

              Those. "We play here, we don't play here" - is this the level of your argumentation?
              Quote: Lara Croft
              It is not a fact that the entire range of В and ВТ will be purchased from us, and not from China ...

              Not a fact, but we have advantages in the quality of weapons in relation to the price - this is recognized throughout the world.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              We will be treated with respect when we have a strong economy and a focused foreign policy, and we don’t even know what kind of power will come tomorrow to this or that CIS country ...

              Tell this to the Americans who smash their windows and make the blacks kiss their feet - I leave this "respect" to you, and I can do without your mantras.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              We do everything for this ourselves ...

              This is a lie - right now we began to snap back and very hard. You apparently slept through the events in Syria, I just feel sorry for you ...
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 1 November 2020 12: 39
    -1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there?

    Let's take the footballers. They will beat us all the money at different championships there. laughing
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 1 November 2020 18: 34
    14
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    What does Argentina have there?

    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there?

    At one time, "flour" in suitcases from the embassy was carried, the Argentines were against it.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 19: 07
      0
      Quote: Stroporez
      At one time, "flour" in suitcases from the embassy was carried

      At one time, heroin was transported in zinc coffins. And the "comrades with party membership cards", those who organized it, were very pleased.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 2 November 2020 00: 04
      -2
      "Russia has its own, special way" (FROM),
      - said one "character", and "United Russia", accomplished a "feat" - established the supply of "spiritual fasteners" from Argentina and began to "penetrate" it everywhere, bringing "road construction" to a "qualitatively new level" (C). Judging by the volume of "imports" and the "fabulous" aspirations of the "meditators", the "marafet" entered the "patriotic" use and turned out to be extremely "hard-core".

      A still from the movie "Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls". (1995)
  • bayard
    bayard 2 November 2020 01: 16
    0
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    What does Argentina have there?

    Argentina has MEAT.
    Beef.
    Here on her darling and change / supply counter deliveries. And besides the counters, beef can be used for stew and in the State Reserve.
    Suddenly there is a war, and we have stew.
    And you can offer not only the Su-24 (they are still old and will not last long. Moreover, they are difficult to operate. New ones for counter deliveries are also possible. If there was a normal president ...
    Su-30 + Yak-130 is a good choice.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 2 November 2020 13: 12
      +2
      Quote: bayard
      Argentina has MEAT.
      Beef.

      Not only - they can pay off quotas for fishing off their shores, and this is a very big business that existed even in Soviet times.
      Quote: bayard
      Su-30 + Yak-130 is a good choice.

      We can offer them a large list of weapons to choose from, so the question is most likely not what they will buy from us, but whether they will take such a decision and not be afraid of the consequences of such a step.
      1. bayard
        bayard 2 November 2020 17: 21
        0
        hi
        Quotas for fish are very good, but do we have fishing capacities to make money on them? But the theme is really good.
        Quote: ccsr
        We can offer them a large list of weapons to choose from, so the question is most likely not what they will buy from us, but whether they will take such a decision and not be afraid of the consequences of such a step.

        That's why I wrote
        Quote: bayard
        If there was a normal president ...

        Under the former / former president, we seemed to be close to an arms deal, but now ... But everything in the world is changing ... If the US flares up after the elections, then a good window of opportunity may open on this (arms) topic. Without the United States, England has few instruments of pressure ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 2 November 2020 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: bayard
          Quotas for fish are very good, but do we have fishing capacities to make money on them? But the theme is really good.

          We can sell quotas to fishing companies, both domestic and foreign, for foreign currency.
          The topic is not only good, but also very profitable - in Soviet times, our ships even off the coast of New Zealand conducted exploration and fishing, not to mention Chile and other Latin American countries.
          1. bayard
            bayard 2 November 2020 21: 23
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            in Soviet times, our ships even conducted reconnaissance and fishing off the coast of New Zealand, not to mention Chile and other Latin American countries.

            I remember such a thing. I was still graduating from a military school when a "flying fish" appeared in a frozen fish briquette - with fins developed for flight and a very terrible muzzle of the head, like a dragon in modern films. I was caught somewhere in those parts.
            The Soviet Union pursued a global fishing policy.
            And there was enough fish in the country.
            Cheap and different.
  • Grits
    Grits 2 November 2020 11: 48
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    What does Argentina have there?

    Buffalo meat
  • 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 2 November 2020 13: 28
    0
    There is "marble" beef, skins ... In short, - yayko, milk, ham ...
  • Machito
    Machito 2 November 2020 14: 11
    +1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Unfortunately Argentina has no money.

    Su-24 is also possible on credit. It is high time for us to change them for the Su-34. Well, or barter ... What, does Argentina have there? what
    Quote: tralflot1832
    No, the option with the Chinese seems more real to me.

    The Chinese also prefer for money.

    Can be exchanged for meat. There is order with meat in Argentina. Still, the UK is afraid of Argentina.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: Bearded
      Can be exchanged for meat.

      laughing This is the main message of all VO users. wink
      So to speak :
      1) Take with meat - 80%
      2) Take Maradona (football players) - 10%
      3) Take cocaine - 5% (amateurs, under the red flag on the avatar)
      4) 5% - everything else (fishing quotas, minerals, etc.)
      1. Machito
        Machito 2 November 2020 15: 27
        +2
        On cocaine, sailors from the Baltic Fleet were sticking out.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 16: 11
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          On cocaine, sailors from the Baltic Fleet were sticking out.

          But this one, I don't know ... request Although there are familiar sailors, and I live nearby.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 2 November 2020 16: 23
            +1
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Quote: Bearded
            On cocaine, sailors from the Baltic Fleet were sticking out.

            But this one, I don't know ... request Although there are familiar sailors, and I live nearby.

            Welcome hi Stas! We are talking about the "revolutionary" sailors and the times when cocaine was sold in pharmacies as a tonic ... and was also the main ingredient of Coca-cola.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 2 November 2020 16: 38
              +2
              Quote: Hunter 2
              We are talking about "revolutionary" sailors

              And ... About "these" I know. They sniffed and the entire officers of the fleet were shot. But, something near Narva, the coke did not help them ... They pulled from their positions so that only the heels sparkled. And then they also accused the RVS of being sent there to death. negative
  • mihail_mihail0620
    mihail_mihail0620 1 November 2020 08: 40
    -1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Chinese planes will be delivered for some kind of bun.

    The fact that the Indonesian government approved the purchase of 11 Su-35s was announced on July 28 by the country's defense minister, Ryamizard Ryachudu.
    Negotiations on the supply of the Su-35 to Indonesia, which already has 15 Su-27/30 fighters (Su-35 is a radical modernization of this type), have been under way since at least 2013 and the parties have been close to signing a contract several times, says a person close to Rosoboronexport. The discussion dragged on due to a number of problems, primarily financial, but now the parties have reached the home stretch, as evidenced by the memorandum signed by Rostec, the source explains: the contract highly likely to be signed before the end of the year and partially paid for with palm oil, rubber and other Indonesian goods... A representative of Rosoboronexport declined to comment.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 November 2020 10: 02
    +5
    Unfortunately Argentina has no money
    Not true. I buy Argentinian cheeses and coffee wink
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 2 November 2020 10: 08
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Unfortunately Argentina has no money
      Not true. I buy Argentinian cheeses and coffee wink

      These are products of private traders
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 1 November 2020 10: 10
    +3
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Unfortunately Argentina has no money.

    Why do you think so. Argentina's GDP per capita is the same as in the Russian Federation. It's just that this country is under the external control of the United States. They pay a kind of tribute, as we did during the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
  • frruc
    frruc 1 November 2020 13: 45
    0
    The British have time to shit everywhere. Like Figaro here, Figaro there. Are they afraid for the Falkland Islands torn away from Argentina?
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 2 November 2020 16: 50
    0
    The buns have already been eaten by the Anglo-Saxons, and you won't even give a loan - how many defaults has Argentina already experienced? For decades, the West has played fiercely on it. An example of what would happen to our country if the 90s continued in the new century - adjusted for the dismemberment and provocation of conflicts by the Soros. Therefore, no matter how we treat Putin's policy now, the preservation of the country in that difficult time is his merit, which is an ACT for many generations to come. Don't forget Yeltsin and Gorbachev.
  • Maki maki
    Maki maki 1 November 2020 07: 54
    26
    And what about the brits against the Su-24? This is, in their words, harmless trash ...
    1. Tugarin
      Tugarin 1 November 2020 07: 58
      23
      Because "well nafig him"
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 07
      16
      The Argentines with non-explosive bombs and missiles did so much in their time flying on the fly !! So the British will be against everything that can fly. The Argentines, they are such Argentines. And they probably remember the hand of God. wassat
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 1 November 2020 08: 35
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        And they probably remember the hand of God.


        Remember. And Diego Armando 30.10 turned 60 years old. Legend, unlike Messi.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 44
          +8
          Messi is unlucky, he is the only one. And under Morodon, Argentina had a TEAM. The opposition between Argentina and the Federal Republic of Germany was watched even by those who do not understand this at all. The play is one word. Now there is no such thing.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 1 November 2020 08: 51
            +3
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Messi is unlucky, he is the only one. And under Morodon, Argentina had a TEAM. The opposition between Argentina and the Federal Republic of Germany was watched even by those who do not understand this at all. The play is one word. Now there is no such thing.


            Diego single-handedly dragged Argentina. He's just a leader by nature. And the greatest footballer. Because of the silver, the World Cup cried (well, the judges, of course, performed there). The composition of args under Maradona was much weaker than modern ones. Messi has stronger partners. But there is no core. A pedestrian.
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 46
          +2
          Minus you probably from the British, and then all the E and James Bond were noted.
          1. Kruglov
            Kruglov 2 November 2020 05: 07
            +1
            Let's remember friends, probably the best James Bond, Sir Thomas Sean Connery ... Rest in peace to him ... crying
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 1 November 2020 08: 25
      +8
      Quote: Maki Maki
      And what about the brits against the Su-24? This is, in their words, harmless trash ...

      Since 1982, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, but the British will forever remember how Argentine stormtroopers cut through the air over the ships of the "mistress of the seas". The Su-24 is, of course, not the ultimate dream, but also not some Skyhawk. If it is appropriately armed, then this "trash" will be able to turn the English ships into real trash.
      1. Maki maki
        Maki maki 1 November 2020 08: 28
        19
        So I say - they are afraid. A little something - right into the bushes.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 58
        +3
        Just the other day I came across an article about how we controlled this conflict. Very interesting. I had to remember. Very interesting, even TU 95 was sent to establish visual contact with IGLOM. The Argentines admitted, after many years, that we gave them information from satellites, with It’s hard to believe they had the military then. Also a junta, but we only have the Chilean junta in circulation.
  • Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 1 November 2020 07: 58
    -6
    And what is the point of Britain interfering with Argentina, they are not neighbors and they are no longer in the EU?
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 1 November 2020 08: 10
      31
      Quote: Systems Generator
      And what is the point of Britain interfering with Argentina, they are not neighbors and they are no longer in the EU?

      Because Argentina claims the Falklands.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 05
        +9
        In Argentina, if you are brought there, in the bar call the islands not Falkland, but Malvinas and you will be honored and respected, checked. hi drinks
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2020 08: 31
      +8
      Quote: Systems Generator
      And what is the point of Britain interfering with Argentina, they are not neighbors and they are no longer in the EU?

      Have you heard of the Falklands War? No? Then quickly study the material in the Internet.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 November 2020 07: 59
    +4
    Just imagine what would happen then in the 80s if Argentina had a couple of dozen SU-24 wassat The British would have no fleet left after that raid; they would have simply been killed under those islands and that's it.
    By the way, how do these islands live now? Let's take a look.

    laughing good Beauty !!!
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 1 November 2020 08: 10
      -9
      Quote: Observer2014
      Just imagine what would happen then in the 80s if Argentina had a couple of dozen SU-24 wassat The British would have no fleet left after that raid; they would have simply been killed under those islands and that's it.

      It was pointless - there was no place for the Skyhawks to take off. The British would have burned su24 in Argentina with special forces. There is no RCC for the sea. And on the islands there was no suitable airfield, and the Skyhawks will be more maneuverable in the fjords and hills against the landing
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 November 2020 08: 12
        -6
        Yes, this is all clear. That then, having the SU-24 in service in Argentina, the British would have had to react. Most likely they would have been beaten at the airfields in Argentina itself.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 1 November 2020 08: 17
          +9
          the Argentines had to mine the strait. there is no money for the rest. but they were wrong with the landing area.
          well, build the runway on time drinks
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 08: 11
      +5
      hi According to the last census in the Falklands, 21 former Russians, do you think it's time to carry out a "referendum". And blue whiting around the Malvinas islands from 10 kg is one fish. Mutim?
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 November 2020 08: 20
        -4
        Quote: tralflot1832
        hi According to the last census in the Falklands, 21 former Russians, do you think it's time to carry out a "referendum". And blue whiting around the Malvinas islands from 10 kg is one fish. Mutim?

        laughingI'm afraid the Russian prospects of the locals, including the local Russians, will not suit them. They already have a great life there. Mlyn I was already staring lol More video for general development good
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 20
          +5
          It's just that the British pay extra for living in the Malvinas, as we are Polars.
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 1 November 2020 08: 45
      -1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Just imagine what would happen then in the 80s if Argentina had a couple of dozen SU-24 wassat

      And the Swedes have tanks near Poltava?
      And Kutuzov has carts and machine guns?
      And what about Kaiser Katyusha?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 1 November 2020 09: 09
        +7
        Quote: A. Privalov

        And the Swedes have tanks near Poltava?
        And Kutuzov has carts and machine guns?
        And what about Kaiser Katyusha?

        And Alexander Nevsky has tactical nuclear weapons ...
        Alexander Privalov, did you take any extra drugs today?
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 1 November 2020 11: 45
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: A. Privalov

          And the Swedes have tanks near Poltava?
          And Kutuzov has carts and machine guns?
          And what about Kaiser Katyusha?

          And Alexander Nevsky has tactical nuclear weapons ...
          Alexander Privalov, did you take any extra drugs today?

          He is here, as always, on the "procedural issue" .... or the video from the Falklands is annoying, Israeli Jews are not used to having enemies around the perimeter, and friends (sometimes former enemies, ARE, SA ...) ... have turned their lives in the heroes of G. Garrison's story "Indomitable Planet" .... however, they would have found enemies for themselves on the island ...
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 1 November 2020 13: 36
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: A. Privalov

          And the Swedes have tanks near Poltava?
          And Kutuzov has carts and machine guns?
          And what about Kaiser Katyusha?

          And Alexander Nevsky has tactical nuclear weapons ...
          Alexander Privalov, did you take any extra drugs today?

          yes laughing It would be to study A Privalova, what when and at what time was released and was done. That is why joking at VO is problematic. There is always such a halt.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 16
        +4
        And Iran's atomic bomb?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 November 2020 11: 51
          -3
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And Iran's atomic bomb?

          The examples I gave above are fantastic.
          Your example is the realities of today:
          The main and completely uncontrollable geopolitical rival of Russia in the Middle East and North Caucasus, an economic rival of Russia on a global scale, hiding behind fables about the "peaceful atom", enriches and accumulates uranium to create nuclear weapons (IAEA confirms). hi
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 November 2020 13: 32
        -1
        A. Privalov
        And the Swedes have tanks near Poltava?
        And Kutuzov has carts and machine guns?
        And what about Kaiser Katyusha?
        It is not good for Alexander not to understand and not understand military equipment. You would at least have studied from what year the SU-24 was in service. And when the British fought the Argentines for these islands. It's a shame not to know basic things on the military website.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 1 November 2020 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          It is not good for Alexander not to understand and not understand military equipment. You would at least have studied from what year the SU-24 was in service. And when the British fought the Argentines for these islands. It's a shame not to know basic things on the military website.

          It is a shame not to know basic things on a military website. It doesn't really matter from what year the SU-24 has been in service. By that time, a lot of things were in the ranks, but were not at the disposal of the Argentines. Dot.
  • askort154
    askort154 1 November 2020 08: 02
    +5
    Damn, survived. Already the British are preventing Russia from selling their aircraft. The age-old Russian power has been lost in the international arena. Moreover, literally for decades. I am ashamed before those who gave their lives for the Fatherland.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 November 2020 08: 04
      16
      they prevent Russia from selling and Argentina to buy. these are completely different things.
      1. askort154
        askort154 1 November 2020 10: 10
        0
        carstorm 11 they prevent Russia from selling and buying Argentina. these are different things at all

        The same ..., only a side view. China trades everywhere, displacing them, regardless of who they forbid to buy from him. hi
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 1 November 2020 10: 27
          +3
          not at all from the side. The Britons are not slowing us down, but Argentina. and interfere with her. everything is different from setting goals to choosing tools. we can sell that. they just won't be allowed to BUY and not SELL for us)))
    2. unknown
      unknown 1 November 2020 08: 19
      +2
      From the point of view of the structural horoscope, each sign has a master and a servant.
      Great Britain - Rat. Russia - Horse. The Rat is the owner of the Horse.
      Therefore, the "Englishwoman" will ALWAYS shit on Russia. And Belarus.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 1 November 2020 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: ignoto
        From the point of view of the structural horoscope, each sign has a master and a servant.

        Does this horoscope weigh in your hospital?
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 08
      +2
      Let me remind you why all the cheese is boron. The Argentines lost a submarine. One of the versions that it was torpedoed by the British nuclear submarine. How to get the British on the Malvinas? everything has calmed down. Argentina is not up to Malvin, it would be to get out of the debt hole. Someone raised this topic, too lazy to look for where the fish soup grows. hi
  • jovanni
    jovanni 1 November 2020 08: 03
    +3
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Unfortunately Argentina has no money.

    They have no money, but we do not have an abundance of aircraft ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 November 2020 08: 19
      +8
      So our Su-24 will be replaced by the Su-34, why not sell the 24th to Argentina? Come to think of it, this country has a lot to offer in return.
  • amaleks
    amaleks 1 November 2020 08: 04
    +3
    Buy from Russia, Argentina .. You will not regret it! Everything here flies and everything explodes, tested in real combat operations. You will be under the protection of Russia! soldier
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 1 November 2020 08: 12
      17
      Do you have doubts?
    2. Maki maki
      Maki maki 1 November 2020 08: 52
      16
      Are you serious, no banter? Then sorry hi
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 November 2020 08: 16
    10
    Something I did not understand, but how exactly the small-shavens were able to interfere with the deal on the sale / lease of the Su-24? What were they able to impose an embargo on? What are their details in the Su-24?
    1. amaleks
      amaleks 1 November 2020 08: 25
      -7
      Quote: Bulls.
      Something I did not understand, but how exactly the small-shavens were able to interfere with the sale / lease of the Su-24?

      Yes, easily, they imposed sanctions on someone and blocked the accounts .. It's very simple!
    2. Eugene-Eugene
      1 November 2020 09: 40
      +4
      The talk of a possible deal was conducted at the end of the 14th, when, against the background of the Ukrainian crisis, Russia found itself almost isolated. The whole crowd and piled on the authorities of Argentina, which are already in line with the IMF.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 November 2020 11: 50
      0
      Quote: Bulls.
      What are their details in the Su-24?

      But, there are accounts of our oligarchs who are especially close to the "darkest" are in the Bank of England ...
      1. Machnamh
        Machnamh 1 November 2020 15: 15
        +1
        He will take Alegarch by the collar with one hand, and with the other he will seal her one between the eyes. That's the whole Alegarchy will be
  • cniza
    cniza 1 November 2020 08: 26
    +4
    It is possible that Argentina will eventually have to rely on Chinese or, nevertheless, Russian vehicles when updating the Air Force fleet.


    It looks like we are starting to give way to China ...
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 09: 25
      +2
      In Buenos Aires, the Chyna Town quarter has existed for a very long time, so it doesn't shine there. But in the 60s we built a thermal power plant for them in the Stalinist style. I need to google it, is it still working?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 10: 49
        +2
        I checked everything in place, the building is exactly.
      2. cniza
        cniza 1 November 2020 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        In Buenos Aires, the Chyna Town quarter has existed for a very long time, so it doesn't shine there. But in the 60s we built a thermal power plant for them in the Stalinist style. I need to google it, is it still working?


        There are Chyna Towns in almost all capitals of the world, but we can still compete in weapons ...
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 15
          +1
          Let them get stronger economically. There seems to be Kirchner again in power, so that at any moment everything can change in our direction.
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 November 2020 12: 20
            +2
            We need help ...
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 29
            +1
            Apologizing not Kirchner, a friend of Kirchner's late husband. Well, there are debts above the roof, for 300 billion. They are managed from outside with such debts.
  • Alevil
    Alevil 1 November 2020 08: 48
    11
    Helping Argentina with arms is a very good idea, given the activity of the British in Ukraine, and they had a hand in the events in the Transcaucasus. You can even help Argentina with instructors, especially if Argentina is serious about returning the Malvinas Islands. And if they strengthen their military potential, then such an intention will certainly appear. England and the West as a whole have a huge number of pain points, and if our ruling circles were capable, everything in this West would already be on fire.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 November 2020 09: 13
    +2
    Let's start with the fact that Argentina has no money and there is a default every 5 years ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 1 November 2020 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's start with the fact that Argentina has no money and there is a default every 5 years ...

      What prevents us now from concluding a contract with them for the supply of a certain amount of tons of meat for each aircraft at current prices and fulfilling it in the form of natural exchange within 5 years? The government will be the guarantor, so we will not give a damn what kind of inflation they have, the main thing is that they deliver meat in freezers to us immediately after the delivery of the first plane.
      As far as I understand, they are only afraid of the US and IMF sanctions, and the limitation of lending to them is what is the stumbling block, not the inflation rate or default in Argentina.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 1 November 2020 15: 28
        0
        At least, it is not us that bothers us ... but Argentina is something ...
        Yes, and we have our own meat, do you want a competitor on the market? Over quotas?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 1 November 2020 17: 10
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Yes, and we have our own meat, do you want a competitor on the market? Over quotas?

          Such agreements should be considered as a whole, if only because we are a developed industrial power, and our military-industrial complex gives impetus to the development of the intellectual abilities of our producers. That is why we can partially compromise the interests of meat producers, because we have no right to miss the military market - in this I see the guarantee of our independence and the welfare of future generations.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          and Argentina is something ...

          Here I am about the same - they would be happy to buy from us, but they will quickly break off their horns with the help of the IMF and Western loans.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 1 November 2020 21: 26
            0
            If they don't need ... then we too
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 1 November 2020 09: 23
    +3
    And yet, who will explain clearly.
    How?
    Why were the Britons able to interfere with the deal between Russia and Argentina?
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 1 November 2020 09: 45
    +2
    At the same time, Russia several years ago offered to sell or lease the Su-24 bomber (in the amount of 12 units), but then London secured reliable international support to prevent the implementation of this plan.

    I still do not understand, London is preventing us from selling combat aircraft to Argentina ?! - so this is another giveaway from our "politicians".
    At least we have something to offer Argentina besides the Su 24, these are the Yak 130 (similar to the M 346), the Mig 29 and the SU 27 - it can be in small batches - the main thing is the will of the leadership to overcome the "grumbling" of the British.
  • Eug
    Eug 1 November 2020 09: 53
    +1
    If England managed to block the sale of the Su-24 to Argentina, this is yet another evidence of the lack of independence of Russian politics and economy. I wonder when it was, has the situation changed since then and why the potential sale of planes to Argentina did not silence the Britons in the situation with the Skripals?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 November 2020 09: 59
    0
    Chinese Leopards are a good place to start.
  • certero
    certero 1 November 2020 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: Observer2014
    Most likely would have been beaten at home airfields

    What would they beat? About the British, everything hung by such a thread that if the Argentines had a dozen more missiles, everything would have gone differently
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 10: 52
      +1
      Yes, at least when they got to the right place with Exocets and American bombs of the WWII times and it all exploded, it would have come to a vigorous loaf.
  • certero
    certero 1 November 2020 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: Eug
    If England managed to block the sale of the Su-24 to Argentina, this is further evidence

    So England could block the sale of su24 by Russia?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 1 November 2020 10: 56
      +1
      Yes, no matter how, we have postponed this matter to the future. No one blocked it, the Argentines simply launched a fishing rod, made some noise and calmed down when American privateers found a boat for them without signs of external influence.
  • Avior
    Avior 1 November 2020 10: 09
    +4
    An obvious question arises - how could England prevent Russia from selling the Su-24 to Argentina?
    The answer is simple - no way.
    Nobody offered them, and Argentina is not interested in them, it needs fighters.
    ... Information about a Russian offer to Argentina to buy Su-24 bombers turned out to be false, Altair reported on January 27.

    At the end of last year, many Western media disseminated information that Russia had offered Argentina 12 front-line Su-24 bombers in exchange for beef and wheat. Recently, however, the South American edition of RAPORT-wto reported that the information was false.

    hi
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 November 2020 12: 04
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Argentina is not interested in them, it needs fighters.

      Not at all. This deal was discussed with the old president of Argentina, but then it was replaced by a more compliant and pro-Western president and the deal was forgotten ...
      They wrote about it on VO in 2014.
      In the near future, Argentina may lease 12 Russian supersonic Su-24 bombers, RT in Russian reports, citing the Daily Express. It is noted that this option raises concerns among the British Ministry of Defense amid the territorial dispute over the Falkland Islands.

      https://topwar.ru/65795-argentina-vozmet-v-arendu-12-rossiyskih-sverhzvukovyh-bombardirovschikov-su-24.html
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 November 2020 13: 25
        +1
        Yes. everyone wrote it. And a month later, it surfaced that it was a fake, Argentina did not plan anything like that.
        http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/6599/

        http://nevskii-bastion.ru/2015/01/27/27-01-2015-2/
        I do not know if VO wrote about this.
  • LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 1 November 2020 10: 50
    +2
    Quote: Engineer
    Kiwis don't need accidentally drying?

    What for? Are you growing yourself? Are the docks ok? winked
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 November 2020 10: 56
    -2
    At the same time, Russia several years ago offered to sell or lease the Su-24 bomber (in the amount of 12 units), but then London secured reliable international support to thwart the plan.

    How? The author can read more about this moment ....?
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 1 November 2020 11: 03
    -1
    But the article does not say how Britain prevented Russia from selling aircraft to Argentina.

    It only speaks of some kind of international support.
  • iouris
    iouris 1 November 2020 11: 12
    +1
    They put tanks in Yugoslavia, so what? A government that "goes to NATO" was brought to power. Before that, we delivered weapons to Armenia, so what? Armenia goes to NATO (through Turkey). How much more can you? My head hurts.
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 November 2020 11: 14
    +2
    Quote: Doccor18
    Quote: Maki Maki
    And what about the brits against the Su-24? This is, in their words, harmless trash ...

    The Su-24 is, of course, not the ultimate dream, but also not some Skyhawk. If it is properly armed, then this "trash" will be able to turn English ships into real trash.

    Even if the Argentines had armed their turboprop Pukara with torpedoes, they would have seriously thinned the Britons - these Pukara went to shock positions on ships, but there was nothing to beat them with.
    A Su-24 squadron with Kh-23 and Kh-25 missiles in 1982 would have methodically sent the entire British squadron to the bottom. No options.
    In our days, with such weapons, she would die heroically. Also without options.
    With modern missiles, the Su-24 (or better the Su-34) would have an advantage, but it would not have done without losses.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 November 2020 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      A Su-24 squadron with Kh-23 and Kh-25 missiles in 1982 would have methodically sent the entire British squadron to the bottom.

      It is very possible, although unlikely. Can you imagine what these missiles are? Check out the performance characteristics.
      There the main thing was to fly to the squadron unnoticed and that all the bombs would explode. Some Englishmen were very lucky that some of the bombs did not go off. Some Argentines were lucky enough to have enough fuel.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 November 2020 12: 50
        +1
        I liked the option better, if I am not mistaken with Ardent. The British were lucky; the bomb hit but did not explode. That was the end of the luck. A sapper was drawn who, all the same, was able to detonate it during mine clearance. good hi
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 1 November 2020 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: iouris
        Can you imagine what these missiles are? Check out the performance characteristics.

        Launching a rocket from 10 km is in every way safer than an attack with free-falling bombs flying over the ship. And the fuses are more reliable.
        And yes, the Americans in Vietnam quite successfully used Bulpup with a comparable launch range and with a stronger air defense of the Vietnamese than the Britons in the Falklands.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 1 November 2020 13: 48
    +1
    As long as there are US-oriented politicians in power in Argentina ... there will be no purchases ... there will be an imitation with a predictable ending ... otherwise the deal with Russia would have been realized with China ... by the way, British aircraft carriers are mostly about the Falklands .. more and nothing at such a distance ...
  • yriuv62
    yriuv62 1 November 2020 18: 14
    +1
    Why does the Argentine army need planes? They don't know how to do anything except torture those arrested and rape students!
  • lelik613
    lelik613 1 November 2020 18: 31
    0
    Argentina could use something that comes with a guarantee to London ...
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 1 November 2020 19: 27
    0
    "At the same time, Russia several years ago offered to sell or lease the Su-24 bomber (in the amount of 12 units), but then London secured reliable international support to prevent the implementation of this plan." - So it means that our foreign policy can be influenced)) ) And we are told on TV that Russia is an independent country and is getting up from its knees? Apparently they lie)))
  • Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 1 November 2020 20: 38
    -2
    The Englishwoman shits as always ...
  • iouris
    iouris 1 November 2020 20: 45
    0
    Buenos Aires, the British have not yet banned the sale of the Su-34 and Tu-22M3 ...
  • times
    times 1 November 2020 20: 51
    16
    We must put a bolt on England, let them command on their islands am
  • Hippo
    Hippo 1 November 2020 22: 08
    0
    Not the Falklands War, but the "liberal course in the economy" for the needs of the world international, the moneylenders are finishing off the FAA.
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 3 November 2020 08: 03
    0
    British Bandera vtyuhali some boats and ours should not lag behind.
  • Sedoy
    Sedoy 3 November 2020 21: 19
    0
    "to sell or lease the Su-24 bomber (in the amount of 12 units), but then London secured reliable international support to prevent the implementation of this plan
    ------------
    this is, like, a sovereign country complains that london does not allow it ... :)