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Stalin's trips to the front

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Stalin's trips to the front

В historical For a long time, the literature was promoting the version that Stalin was afraid to go to the front and never was there, and at the suggestion of the "strategist" Khrushchev, the leader allegedly led the troops "on a globe" and was afraid to leave Moscow. In fact, this is not so: during the defense of Moscow in 1941, Stalin visited the front three times and in August 1943 traveled for four days to the front-line zone in the area of ​​Gzhatsk and Rzhev.

Plus, Stalin really didn't like flying. The fact of his trip to the Tehran conference in November 1943 is reliably known. From Moscow to Baku through Stalingrad, he took a special train in an armored car, and from Baku he flew by plane to Tehran and so secretly that everyone wondered how Stalin got to the conference. Before this trip, Stalin secretly visited the Western and Kalinin Fronts.

Travel to the front in 1941


The first time Stalin went to the Western Front in July 1941, where a powerful Mozhaisk line of defense was created in the Maloyaroslavl direction. He examined the first belt of the defense line, which ran along the line of Serpukhov, Solnechnogorsk, Zvenigorod, to which the Stavka reserves were to be advanced for the defense of Moscow. Having met with the command of the front and the armies, he discussed in detail with them the deployment of troops and the plan for the defense of Moscow. According to the recollections of Tukov, attached to Stalin, the trip lasted one day, they moved in a Ford accompanied by guards along country roads, in the villages they recognized Stalin and greeted him.

In early October 1941, Stalin and Bulganin, accompanied by guards, went to the Maloyaroslavskaya and Volokolamskaya defense lines at night, inspected its fortifications in some places. According to the recollections of the head of the guard, General Vlasik, in one place a battle between Soviet and German fighters began over their heads. Stalin got out of the car and watched the battle, when hot fragments fell and hissed like snakes around in the wet grass. Stalin looked at them coolly and with interest, and then remarked with a laugh: "They are hissing, here is a fascist brat."

Also, a couple of weeks before the counteroffensive, Stalin traveled to the village of Lupikha on the Volokolamsk highway, where the front-line hospital was located. There he met with the wounded who had just withdrawn from the battle. Sitting on a stool, he asked them what the German was strong and what his weakness was.
In mid-November 1941, Stalin traveled to Rokossovsky's 16th Army to see the Katyusha installation in action. This trip by Stalin was indeed dangerous, as the Germans hunted for these multiple launch rocket launchers and took measures to capture them.

The Katyusha division on November 13, 1941, under the command of Captain Kirsanov, whose actions were watched by Stalin, struck fire at the enemy troops near the village of Skirmanovo, as a result of which a large number of enemy equipment and manpower were destroyed. After the fire strike, the Katyusha, as was prescribed, quickly left the battlefield, and everyone forgot about Stalin in the confusion. Return shelling began, and then flew aviation... Stalin traveled in an armored Packard, accompanied by an EMK, the bus with security was not taken with them for reasons of disguise.

There was a lot of snow and the heavy "Packard" quickly sat down on the bottom, Stalin got over to the "Emka", but she soon got stuck. Everyone, including Stalin, began to push the car, but they moved very slowly, and there were about four kilometers to the highway. By chance, three tank T-34 of the legendary lieutenant Dmitry Lavrinenko. One tank hooked up the "Emka" in tug, and the other rushed after the stuck "Packard".
At that moment, a division of the German cavalry of the SS troops approached this place, they could not use tanks and motorcycles because of the deep snow. Seeing Soviet tanks, the SS did not dare to contact them and watched the evacuation of the vehicles from a distance. Stalin returned safely to the headquarters of the 16th Army, where he expressed gratitude to Captain Kirsanov, without mentioning a word about the incident. After the defeat of the Germans near Moscow, we received documents confirming that after the fire strike of Captain Kirsanov, the Germans threw an airborne group into the area from the air and there was a real danger for Stalin.

Travel to the front in August 1943


Stalin's trip on August 2-5, 1943, to the front-line zone in the areas of Gzhatsk, Yukhnov, Rzhev, which had been liberated from the Germans back in March 1943, was not entirely understandable. The front line from them was from 130 to 160 km. At this time, Soviet troops were successfully advancing after the defeat of the Germans at the Kursk Bulge, and Stalin went the other way to the Western Front to get acquainted with the situation at the front, where Operation Suvorov was being prepared to liberate Smolensk and defeat the left wing of Army Group Center.

Stalin instructed the trip to be prepared by the Deputy People's Commissar of the NKVD, General Serov, who described it in detail in his diary. This description is also interesting because it shows how Stalin behaves in everyday life, with the employees and generals around him, as well as with people he met by chance.

On the night of August 2, Stalin summoned Serov to his office and ordered to prepare his trip to the Western and Kalinin Fronts in the morning. He said that the leadership of the security and organization of the trip is entrusted to Serov, although he had never done this before, and the level of secrecy should be such that no one should know about this trip, including the head of Stalin's security, General Vlasik. Serov later noted in his diary how suspicious Stalin was, he trusted few people, and it must have been very difficult for him to live like that, and when he left Moscow, he did not even tell the Politburo members about it. The leader did not report the full route to Serov, although he trusted him and entrusted the most important operations. He did it "in parts": first a trip to Gzhatsk (130 km north of Yukhnov), then to Yukhnov (210 km southwest of Moscow), from there through Vyazma to Rzhev (230 km northwest of Moscow) and in the evening of August 5, return to Moscow.

Serov went to Gzhatsk to prepare accommodation in civilian clothes by car, and Stalin - by special train. Beria accompanied him to the train station, Stalin was in a gray civilian coat and a cap with a red star, and all those accompanying him were also in civilian clothes. The special train consisted of an ancient steam locomotive, old carriages, platforms with firewood, hay and sand. The soft armored carriage was carefully camouflaged in tsarist times, and one of the carriages contained an armored Packard. The composition as a whole had a harmless and unsightly appearance.
In spite of Stalin's will (most likely, at Beria's command), a carriage was attached to the train, where 75 guards were in the uniform of railroad workers. The heads of security were following the train on the bus along the highway. Serious security measures were taken, along the entire route of movement, the NKVD regiment provided security.

When Serov arrived in Gzhatsk, the city looked empty and in ruins, occasionally there were women, children, old people: after the liberation of the city, all men were drafted into the army. Serov looked at a small house on the outskirts, put things in order in it and brought HF communication. Then he went to meet Stalin at a small station, from which only a few skeletons of houses remained. The Packard was unloaded from the train and Stalin rode it to Gzhatsk, where he was placed in a house. Around were placed guard posts from those who arrived by train. Stalin left the house and saw a badly disguised guard, then another one, and asked Serov: "Who is this?" He replied that it was the guard who had arrived with him. Stalin was indignant and ordered them to be removed, since there are practically no men in the city, and such protection only attracts attention. Serov had to send guards to Moscow, but several people from his entourage remained next to Stalin.

According to the plan, they were supposed to spend the night in Gzhatsk, but Stalin got in touch with the commander of the Western Front Sokolovsky, introduced himself as "Ivanov", talked with him and unexpectedly told Serov to leave for the Yukhnov area, find several houses there in the forest, of which the front headquarters moved forward , and there they will spend the night.

Serov moved along the broken field roads to the area, called a detachment of border guards to guard, found houses that the front headquarters had already left and took all the furniture from there. The female signalmen cleaned the house and made a bed with a straw mattress and a similar pillow. Stalin drove up in a Packard and, when Serov said that there was only one bed with a straw mattress in the house, he said: “Why am I a prince, or what? I don’t need a palace ”. He was pleased with the improvement.

Stalin immediately contacted Sokolovsky and demanded that he come and report on the situation at the front. He told Serov to put a bottle of wine and fruit in the next room. There was wine in the car, but the car with food did not come. Later it became known that bandits attacked her and plundered all Stalin's delicacies.

Stalin, heard the sound of German bombers flying by, drew attention to the "Packard" standing in an open place and, angry, ordered it to be removed immediately. The car overheated from driving on broken roads and the engine stalled, it had to be urgently thrown with branches.
Soon Sokolovsky and Bulganin arrived. Serov asked if they had any food, since there was nothing to feed Stalin. They had everything, and Serov gave the command to cook dinner for Stalin. The meeting was short-lived, Stalin hurried everyone to prepare for the offensive. All, having drunk a bottle of "Tsinandali", came out drunk. Sokolovsky in his report noted the good support of the front by long-range aviation under the command of General Golovanov. Stalin called Malenkov in Moscow. He asked where he was calling from. Stalin replied: "It doesn't matter" (Malenkov did not know where Stalin was). And he said to publish tomorrow a decree on awarding Golovanov with the rank of Air Marshal, then he phoned the Marshal and congratulated him.

After the front command left, Stalin rested and asked Serov: “What, will we have some stew today?” Because he knew that the car with the groceries had not arrived. Serov showed him behind the house how his assistants prepare a gorgeous dinner from Sokolovsky's products, the leader appreciated the general's resourcefulness. After lunch, Stalin said that he had been informed that Serov had not slept for the third day, insisted and checked that he fell asleep. In the evening, Stalin told Serov that tomorrow morning he was going by train to the Kalinin front to Eremenko in the Rzhev region, and the general was flying there by plane and preparing a meeting. In the morning, Stalin left by train, and Serov flew to the small village of Horoshevo near Rzhev, which was not much destroyed by the Germans.

In the village he found a decent house and told the hostess that the general would stay in the house for a couple of days. She began to be indignant that during the time of the Germans she had a colonel in her quarters, ours came and settled the general. When will she live? Serov barked at her so that in half an hour she would not be here. I called the NKVD soldiers, they cleaned the house and provided security. I met Stalin, who liked the placement, but there was an incident. An HF telephone was installed in the house, in which one had to turn a pen before speaking. Stalin was not warned about this. He contacted Eremenko, but the conversation did not work out, and he began to get angry, especially since Stalin was dissatisfied with Eremenko's actions. He began to scream obscenities at the front commander that he was marking time and the front was not moving.

Then he ordered Serov to find a person to meet Eremenko, who invited General Zabarev and explained that Stalin should be addressed without titles, just "Comrade Stalin." At the sight of Stalin, Zubarev turned pale, stretched out, clicked his heels and uttered a tirade: "Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Marshal of the Soviet Union." Stalin greeted him, he answered him: "I wish you good health, Comrade Marshal of the Soviet Union," and clicked his heels again. Stalin looked at Zubarev and Serov in amazement. When Zabarev left, Stalin asked Serov: "Why does he jump like a ballerina?"

Soon Eremenko drove up, followed by a pickup truck with cameramen. Eremenko began to ask Serov to leave the "film crew" for filming with Stalin in "front-line conditions." Serov said: "Only with Stalin's permission." The meeting was held for about half an hour in a raised voice. When everyone left, Stalin said to serve wine and fruit. Everyone drank a glass for success at the front, Eremenko grew bolder and asked to be photographed. Stalin said: "Well, that's not a bad idea." Eremenko blossomed, but Stalin offered to be photographed only when Eremenko liberated Smolensk. By this, the leader ironically put the man in his place.

Serov was informed that the radio had announced the capture of Belgorod and the end of the battles for Orel. Serov reported to Stalin and he, smiling, said: “In old Russia, the victory of the troops was celebrated under Ivan the Terrible with the ringing of bells, under Peter I — with fireworks, and we must also celebrate such victories. I think it is necessary to give salutes from guns in honor of the victorious troops. " On the same day, a salute was fired for the first time to commemorate the liberation of Belgorod and Orel.

When it was getting dark, Stalin entered the house and Serov decided to get some sleep. They woke him up and said that Stalin was calling. He stood in the yard and held his hand behind his back, Serov was in civilian clothes and put his hand to the peak of his cap. Stalin said that he should be fined for breaking his uniform, then he took out a bottle of cognac from behind his back and poured him a glass, and said: "Be healthy, Comrade Serov, you did a good job, thank you." Serov flatly refused, as he was responsible for the safety of the leader and could not afford to relax. Stalin insisted and then Serov, seeing not far from the security colonel Khrustalev, suggested: "Here Khrustalev can drink great." Stalin called the colonel, he drank to the bottom, grunted and the incident was over. When Stalin went to bed, Khrustalev began to be transported, and Serov replaced him at his post.

The next morning Serov went to wake up Stalin, he was lying on the bed without undressing. Stalin went out into the courtyard and asked Serov what he would give the mistress of the house for living? Serov said that he was not going to give her anything, as she did not want to let them into the house. Then he agreed to give her one hundred rubles, since he didn't have any more. Stalin noted that this was not enough and ordered to give food, fruit and wine. Stalin was taken to the station, and he left for Moscow by special train. After that, Serov went to "pay" the owner. She herself approached him and said that she did not know about Comrade Stalin's living in her house, and let him live with her as long as he wanted. Serov paid her off as promised to Stalin.
These diary entries of Serov show Stalin's attitude (perhaps sometimes not entirely fair) to the generals and completely different - to ordinary people and his entourage.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 2 November 2020 05: 48
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    Thanks to the author for the interesting reading. After the death of Joseph Vissarionovich, the National Union of Artists did everything to make the new generation think that Stalin hid in a bunker throughout the war and fought "on a globe." That is why the history textbooks do not say a word either about the Supreme or about his activities during the Second World War. And the role of this particular ruler is of great importance in the history of the Russian state.
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    1. Far B
      Far B 2 November 2020 07: 09
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      For a long time, a version has been promoted in historical literature that Stalin was afraid to go to the front and never was there, and at the suggestion of the "strategist" Khrushchev, the leader allegedly led the troops "on a globe" and was afraid to leave Moscow.
      In fact, Moscow at the end of 41 was a front-line city, and Stalin refused to evacuate from it. So to accuse him of cowardice is at least strange. But Khrushch really did everything to discredit his predecessor, only one story that Stalin was in prostration in the first days of the war, did not want to see anyone and hid something from everyone in the world in a dacha near Moscow. And after all, many still believe that it was so, although the visit log has long been freely available.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 2 November 2020 08: 17
        -18 qualifying.
        Quote: Dalny V
        Stalin refused to evacuate from it

        The repainted Trotskyists did everything to make the enemy give up near Moscow. Party leaders have already gathered in Moscow, and if Stalin had succumbed to persuasion and left the capital, he would have been immediately removed and capitalism would have come here much earlier ...

        The use of external power to achieve their narrowly party goals is present in the history of all states. Today, color revolutions are much cheaper.

        ps
        Thanks to the author for the article.
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 2 November 2020 11: 06
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          One question is what specific party leaders gathered in Moscow in mid-October 1941. if not difficult, then a couple of names and the source of these facts.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 2 November 2020 14: 22
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          Quote: Boris55
          The repainted Trotskyists did everything to make the enemy give up near Moscow. Party leaders have already gathered in Moscow and if Stalin had succumbed to persuasion and left the capital, capitalism would have immediately removed him.

          Just enchanting nonsense. It turns out that there were Trotskyists all around. It turns out they also wanted the defeat of the USSR. It turns out they were also for capitalism. Einstein said correctly: "There are two infinite things in the world - the universe and human stupidity, although I am not sure about the universe."
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 2 November 2020 15: 14
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            Quote: CSKA
            Just enchanting nonsense. It turns out that there were Trotskyists all around.

            Duc ... judging by the processes and results of the work of the Central Committee in the 30s - 50s, the entire leadership of the party consisted of already disclosed and still hidden Trotskyists. And whoever is not a Trotskyist is a member of an anti-party group, or who joined them. smile
            Anastas Ivanovich alone is sinless ... between the droplets.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 2 November 2020 16: 56
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              Quote: Alexey RA
              Duc ... judging by the processes and results of the work of the Central Committee in the 30s - 50s, the entire leadership of the party consisted of already disclosed and still hidden Trotskyists. And whoever is not a Trotskyist is a member of the anti-party group, or who has joined them.

              So if you listen to them, they have traitors all around and for some reason everyone is in their party. How did they do it ?! Stalin alone is sinless. How did the Trotskyist Khrushchev not destroy the USSR? All the Trotskyists were waiting for, that's just not clear what. And then it turned out that the Trotskyists were for capitalism. In my opinion, these communists did not read Marx, Engels, or Lenin, and certainly not Trotsky.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Anastas Ivanovich alone is sinless ... between the drops.

              Exactly. Mikoyan, that he was certainly engaged in purely economics.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 3 November 2020 14: 24
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                Quote: CSKA
                Stalin alone is sinless.

                was until the cult was exposed ... bully

                Quote: CSKA
                Mikoyan, that he was certainly engaged in purely economics.

                especially when Khrushchev was overthrown ... hi
                Quote: CSKA
                And then it turned out that the Trotskyists were for capitalism.

                aha, that's why Trotsky created and led the Red Army in the Civil War ... laughing
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 3 November 2020 20: 47
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                  Quote: DrEng527
                  Trotsky created and led the Red Army in the Civil War ...

                  The Red Army was created and led by former officers of the tsarist army. There were more than eight hundred former officers of the General Staff in the Red Army alone. And in total, more than 40 thousand. And the October Revolution itself (which at that time was called the "October coup") took place only after the agreements between the Bolsheviks and the General Staff, which refused to support Kerensky, and recognized the Bolsheviks immediately after the coup.
                  Trotsky's activities only contributed to the kindling of the Civil War, which, according to Lenin, could have been completely avoided.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 4 November 2020 09: 58
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                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    in Lenin's opinion, it was entirely avoidable.

                    I wonder what it was based on.
                    1. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 4 November 2020 15: 05
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                      Quote: CSKA
                      Quote: Captain Pushkin
                      in Lenin's opinion, it was entirely avoidable.

                      I wonder what it was based on.

                      On the fact that the Bolsheviks took power in the WHOLE COUNTRY almost bloodlessly. Everyone who was clearly not against Soviet power was involved in running the state. Many agreed to serve, from bankers to gendarmes.
                      The small White Guard detachments did not pose a serious threat.
                      A full-scale civil war was initiated by the mutiny of the Czechoslovak corps. Soviet power was simultaneously overthrown along the entire Transsib, from Samara to Vladivostok.
                      Great Britain played out this mutiny as if by notes.
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA 5 November 2020 13: 00
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                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        On the fact that power in the WHOLE COUNTRY

                        What are you? Exactly? This is where they got what in the Caucasus, for example? In Ukraine? And who said that anyone in Sebiri obeyed them?
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        Many agreed to serve, from bankers

                        The names of the bankers in the studio.
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        Small White Guard detachments did not pose a serious threat

                        Denikin had small detachments? Was it Yudenich not dangerous? So they were not afraid of him, that Trotsky himself arrived in St. Petersburg to raise morale. For Kolchak, only Czechoslovakians fought?
                      2. Captain Pushkin
                        Captain Pushkin 5 November 2020 17: 34
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                        Quote: CSKA
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        Many agreed to serve, from bankers

                        The names of the bankers in the studio.

                        For example.
                        Tikhon Ivanovich Popov
                        Chief Commissioner of the People's Bank of the RSFSR in June-October 1918
                        In 1912-1913. worked in the Commercial and Industrial Bank in St. Petersburg and in the Moscow branch of this bank. Since November 1917, the chief commissioner-manager of the Moscow office of the State Bank, a member of the financial and control commission of the Moscow City Council.
                        But without the names:
                        The bank's commissioner V.V. Obolensky questioned the officials of the State Bank about their consent or disagreement to work. The majority, as indicated in the press release, in one form or another expressed a desire to begin their duties from December 5 (November 22).
                        Still.
                        in Pravda, an order of the Military Revolutionary Committee was published with threats addressed to the strikers. After that, part of the workers of average qualification returned to the State Bank
                        Etc.
                      3. CSKA
                        CSKA 6 November 2020 09: 59
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                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        Tikhon Ivanovich Popov

                        You are confusing concepts. A banker is a bank owner, not an ordinary clerk. Who would refuse such a sharp rise, especially since he was a student of the RSDLP.
                        Quote: Captain Pushkin
                        The bank's commissioner V.V. Obolensky questioned the officials of the State Bank regarding their consent or disagreement to work. Most, as indicated in the press release, have expressed some form of desire to proceed.

                        )))) And what should they have done? After working for several years in the banking sector, go to work at a plant? Or do you think that all bank employees are millionaires and should have gone over the hill? Of course we agreed. There was nowhere to go.
                    2. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 5 November 2020 17: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: CSKA
                      Denikin had small detachments? Was it Yudenich not dangerous?

                      The revolt of the Czechs began in May 1918.
                      And the White Army of Kornilov, then Denikin, until August 1918, was VOLUNTARY, numbering up to 10 thousand bayonets.
                      Yudenich's army was formed on June 20, 1919, i.e. after the revolt of the Czechs. The number never reached 19 thousand.
                    3. CSKA
                      CSKA 6 November 2020 10: 15
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                      Quote: Captain Pushkin
                      And the White Army of Kornilov, then Denikin, until August 1918, was VOLUNTARY, numbering up to 10 thousand bayonets.

                      And she had to collect hundreds of thousands from the first day? Among the white movement, too, not all were for one thing. The Bolsheviks, too, did not immediately have a large army, and they also resorted to mobilization.
                      Quote: Captain Pushkin
                      Yudenich's army was formed on June 20, 1919, i.e. after the revolt of the Czechs.

                      And how does this relate to the revolt of the Czechs?
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 6 November 2020 17: 32
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                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  The small White Guard detachments did not pose a serious threat.

                  Uh-huh ... well, just think, ten days after the start of the offensive, Yudenich's forces reached the line Ligovo - Krasnoe Selo - Tsarskoe Selo - Kolpino. These are such trifles that the Reds had to build a defense line at the Pulkovo Heights - the last line of Petrograd / Leningrad, throw cadets, sailors, workers' militia into battle, create an internal defense of the city and prepare important objects for destruction (some kind of deja vu). And I had to personally lead the defense of the cradle of the revolution Zhukov Trotsky.
                3. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 6 November 2020 21: 11
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                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Yudenich's forces reached the line Ligovo - Krasnoe Selo - Tsarskoe Selo - Kolpino.

                  They got lost in their eloquence and forgot how they started.
                  A great Civil War began, with a mutiny of the White Czechs.
                  And Yudenich, chronologically, after the start of the rebellion.
                  The entire strength of Yudenich's army per one full-blooded division.
                  And a full exertion of forces was required, among other things, because the Soviet power was overthrown in most of the country at once.

                  PS If it is important for you to explain your vision of history to me, then this is an unpromising undertaking. It is also unlikely to convince you, and I don’t need it.
                  It takes free time to substantiate a position seriously, and it is constantly in short supply.
          2. DrEng527
            DrEng527 4 November 2020 13: 26
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            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            ... And in total, more than 40 thousand.

            So what? Trotsky led the army and he mobilized them ...
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            only contributed to the incitement of the Civil War, which, according to Lenin, could have been completely avoided.

            what an illiterate nonsense - it was the VIL who put forward the thesis about the transformation of the imperialist war into a civil one ... hi
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 5 November 2020 17: 05
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              Quote: DrEng527
              It was the VIL that put forward the thesis about the transformation of the imperialist war into a civil one.

              But he did exactly the opposite - he adopted the Decree on Peace, stopped Russia's participation in the imperialist war.
              The war with the bourgeoisie became unnecessary - the Bolsheviks took power WITHOUT WAR.
              1. DrEng527
                DrEng527 5 November 2020 20: 19
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                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                stopped Russia's participation in the imperialist war.

                betraying the interests of Russia and starting the Civil War
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                the Bolsheviks took power WITHOUT WAR

                nonsense, they took power in the country until the spring of 18g - the triumphal procession of the SV, and by that time the Civil War had already begun! Learn history ...
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 November 2020 08: 38
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                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                what an illiterate nonsense - it was the VIL who put forward the thesis about the transformation of the imperialist war into a civil one ...

                This individual loves to cram his reading - with corrections and pulling out ... And then he just pulled out "against his governments" ...
              3. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 8 November 2020 18: 26
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                Quote: mat-vey
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                what an illiterate nonsense - it was the VIL who put forward the thesis about the transformation of the imperialist war into a civil one ...

                This individual loves to cram his reading - with corrections and pulling out ... And then he just pulled out "against his governments" ...

                Somehow you got that a quote from DrEng527's work is entitled by my name ...
          3. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 5 November 2020 17: 09
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            Quote: DrEng527
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            ... And in total, more than 40 thousand.

            So what? Trotsky led the army and he mobilized them ...

            Mobilizing someone into the army is one thing, but turning a crowd of armed people into an army is quite another.
            Trotsky simply did not have the knowledge necessary for this. He remained a journalist and propagandist, not a military chief.
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 5 November 2020 20: 20
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              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Trotsky simply did not have the knowledge necessary for this. He remained a journalist and propagandist, not a military chief.

              1) That is why he bet on military experts, in contrast to the IVS
              2) on GW, propaganda is more important than just military force.
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2020 08: 35
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              Quote: DrEng527
              That is why he bet on military experts, in contrast to the IVS

              Poor Shaposhnikov, poor Karbyshev ... It's a pity that Brusilov and many of his peers did not live to be at least 100 years old ..
            3. DrEng527
              DrEng527 8 November 2020 19: 40
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              Quote: mat-vey
              It's a shame that Brusilov and many of his peers did not live to reach at least 100 years ..

              1) namely, one operation Spring in 1930 is 3000 senior officers and generals of the RIA expelled from the Red Army, half of them destroyed
              2) your type of sarcasm is more like self-fucking request
            4. mat-vey
              mat-vey 9 November 2020 17: 21
              -1
              Your answer looks like another fix obsession.
              Quote: DrEng527
              your type of sarcasm is more like self-fucking

              And you are funny, even though you use mothballs.
            5. DrEng527
              DrEng527 10 November 2020 12: 12
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              Quote: mat-vey
              although you use mothballs.

              can you refute the data on the OGPU's operation Spring in 1930? Or so - an ideologically convinced communist? bully
              Quote: mat-vey
              And you are funny

              but you are not, illiterate and not convincing in discussion ... request
              by the way, the reason for the defeat of the Red Army in 1941 is the top command cadres, illiterate in general and military terms, but who made a career in the Red Army in the fight against their own people - see G.K. Zhukov, who received the order for suppressing the peasant uprising ... request and in June 41g had 4 tanks against 500, but was defeated ... hi
            6. mat-vey
              mat-vey 10 November 2020 14: 05
              -1
              Could you answer in your manner - you can refute that the USSR won the Second World War, but I'm afraid in response, again, mothballs tales of a hundred thousand million thrown by Zhukov on machine guns will pour.
            7. DrEng527
              DrEng527 10 November 2020 14: 08
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              Quote: mat-vey
              you can refute that the USSR won the Second World War

              what are your weird situations? the price of victory matters! Just look at the ratio of losses in WW1, RYAV and WWII ...
              Quote: mat-vey
              about one hundred thousand million thrown by Zhukov on machine guns will pour.

              12 million is not enough for you? I gave you the balance of forces for tanks in June 1941 - as a result of the defeat of the Red Army ...
            8. mat-vey
              mat-vey 11 November 2020 05: 19
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              12 million is not enough for you?

              It's not enough for people like you - then some 40 million you have, then 50. Tanks also need mate support and competent people, and these bright people of yours, crispy French rolls, left such a touch that despite the years of industrialization, tension of forces the whole country has just begun to create the foundations of what was needed to repel such an enemy. Well, what other fairy tale can you get out of naphthalene? About the unprecedented growth of Russia under Nikolashka?
            9. DrEng527
              DrEng527 11 November 2020 11: 34
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              Quote: mat-vey
              then some 40 million you have, then 50.

              do you deny the above mentioned loss of the Red Army of 12 million in the Second World War? bully
              Quote: mat-vey
              and mate those providing and literate people

              and why did the Bolsheviks not do this? they were 20 years old ... maybe because literate people were expelled by steamers, shot or put in the gulag? and the authorities had illiterate executioners?

              Quote: mat-vey
              About the unprecedented growth of Russia under Nikolashka?

              aha, in 1090-13 the growth of heavy industry by industry 175-200%, higher than in 1 five-year plan and without soviet bullshit ... http://istmat.info/node/181 request
            10. mat-vey
              mat-vey 11 November 2020 13: 06
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              aha, in 1090-13, the growth of heavy industry by industry was 175-200%, higher than in 1 five-year plan and without soviet bullshit ..

              So, with this I guess ...
              Quote: DrEng527
              and why did the Bolsheviks not do this? they were 20 years old ... maybe because literate people were expelled by steamers, shot or put in the gulag? and the authorities had illiterate executioners?

              Do you naively think that 100 million people can be taught literacy and trained as specialists in 20 years, or is there some other reason?
              Quote: DrEng527
              do you deny the above mentioned loss of the Red Army of 12 million in the Second World War?

              And what about you with the knowledge that the enemy suffered almost the same losses?
            11. DrEng527
              DrEng527 11 November 2020 14: 27
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              Quote: mat-vey
              And what about you with the knowledge that the enemy suffered almost the same losses?

              read at least Krivoshein for self-education ... request you will find amazing for yourself ...
              "By December 1, 1941, German troops captured Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Moldavia, Estonia, a significant part of the RSFSR, Ukraine, advanced inland to 850-1200 km, while losing 740 thousands people (of which 230 thousand were killed).
              Irrecoverable losses of the Red Army by the end of 1941 amounted to 3 million 138 thousand person"
              Loss ratio 4,2: 1 .... request
              I note that in WW1 the ratio of losses on the Eastern Front in 1914 was about 1: 1, even with the defeat in East Prussia 1: 1,2 ... This is the verdict of the high command of the Red Army and the IVS personally! hi

              Quote: mat-vey
              Do you naively think that 100 million people can be taught literacy and trained as specialists in 20 years, or is there some other reason?

              I just know that in RIA, with a fairly low general level of education in the country, they managed to create a highly qualified officer corps, but in the Red Army something interfered ... request Maybe this is due to the fact that the non-commissioned officer RIA was promoted to generals, and the staff officers and generals of the RIA were shot?

              Quote: mat-vey
              So, with this I guess ...

              in other words, there is essentially nothing to answer? bully we play guessing games - a typical occupation of demagogues ... request
            12. mat-vey
              mat-vey 11 November 2020 16: 47
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              1941 amounted to 3 million 138 thousand people "
              Loss ratio 4,2: 1 ....

              It's not clear that you are funny, but so ... The war ended in 1945 ...
              And especially for you - German prisoners of war in the GULAGs were not subjected to systematic extermination ...
              Quote: DrEng527
              in other words, there is essentially nothing to answer?

              Actually, no one ..
            13. DrEng527
              DrEng527 11 November 2020 18: 16
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              Quote: mat-vey
              The war ended in 1945 ...

              oh how stupid you are running around from the real numbers of losses in 41g ... chew for scoops - if the command of the Red Army reasonably used the potential of the regular army in 1941, then:
              1) the war would not last until 45g and the total losses of the Red Army would be less,
              2) the prisoners in the camps would not die and go to Khivi,
              3) less would be destroyed on our territory and less people would die
              however, as a true last-born of the Bolsheviks, you don't care about the Russian people ... request
              Quote: mat-vey
              And especially for you - German prisoners of war in the GULAGs were not subjected to systematic extermination ...

              Yes, the Germans did not give up especially until 43g, and then they did not rush into captivity, and the command of the Germans was able to provide stubborn defense of the encircled units - that near Demyansk, that near Stalingrad, that in Courland ... but the command of the Red Army could not do this - what is near Kiev, what is near Vyazma, etc. - huge groups of hundreds of thousands were disbanded and destroyed by the Germans in a couple of weeks ... hi
              Quote: mat-vey
              Actually, no one ..

              you are sorry not to recognize an obvious sign of not only general stupidity and blinkered consciousness with all sorts of dogmas hi , but also an indicator of a lack of desire both to know the truth and love for the Motherland ... however, the proletarians do not have a Fatherland, which you have successfully shown ... bully
            14. mat-vey
              mat-vey 12 November 2020 06: 07
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              if the command of the Red Army reasonably used the potential of the cadre army in 1941

              This phrase alone is enough to understand about yours:
              Quote: DrEng527
              not only general stupidity and blinkeredness of consciousness by all sorts of dogmas

              Although you have already cleverly revealed it.
              If you came up with at least something new, not yet decomposed and sucked to the bones on the Internet, then you could be taken seriously. And so only worries about your mental health torment the soul.
            15. DrEng527
              DrEng527 12 November 2020 19: 56
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              so only concern about your mental health torments the soul.

              you don't have any arguments in translating, so go personal - it's banal bully
              what was required to prove - scoop and stupidity, twins and brothers ... hi
            16. mat-vey
              mat-vey 13 November 2020 17: 48
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              you don't have any arguments in translating, so go personal - it's banal

              But what arguments can there be for fairy tales and myths? You already seem to have been told - lie as much as you want. What does not suit you? To disassemble your primitive (I do not always agree) lies, you will erase the whole clave, especially since, I will repeat your fairy tales and myths have long been disassembled and re-disassembled. Do you like fairy tales about the white bull? So this is to kindergarten or to the doctor, only to the good.
            17. DrEng527
              DrEng527 13 November 2020 20: 56
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              But what arguments can there be for fairy tales and myths?

              Quote: DrEng527
              oh how stupid you are running around from the real figures of losses in 41g ...

              not the ability and desire to think this is a birthmark of a scoop - live in a parallel reality, I tried to reach out to your brain, but this is an imaginary value hi you still don't understand why in 1991 NOBODY came out to defend the USSR ... request
            18. mat-vey
              mat-vey 14 November 2020 07: 22
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              not the ability and desire to think

              I here applied your approach to "thinking" - if the Bolsheviks did not have the right to build a bright future for the people, because Kotovsky joined the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in 1920, then Beethoven was deaf - it's like all composers are deaf, or whatever do you have to be deaf to write great music?
            19. DrEng527
              DrEng527 14 November 2020 13: 20
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              Quote: mat-vey
              I just applied your approach to "thinking"

              you flattered yourself request you can't think ...
              Quote: mat-vey
              if the Bolsheviks did not have the right to build a bright future for the people, because Kotovsky joined the CPSU in 1920 (b

              1) A simple question - is it really only Kotovsky of the bandits in leading positions in the Red Army? It was a SYSTEM! There were also higher - division commander Makhno, there were lower - Mishka Yaponchik request And I am about the known facts! By the way, the Bolsheviks never hid the fact that they were robbing for the party treasury by arranging exs ... request That is why for them the criminals were socially close, this did not happen either before or after, either in Russia or in other countries ...
              2) What "bright future" are you talking about? For 3 years, by the spring of 1921, they brought the country to hunger and devastation, and the VIL itself admitted the failure of politics and went over to the NEP request
              Quote: mat-vey
              how are all composers deaf, or to write beautiful music you have to be deaf?

              To write something you need to be able to think! And comparing warm and soft is a sign of lack of ability to think. bully
              I will give you another analogy - if the road to a "brighter future" lies through mass shootings, robberies of everything and everyone, desecration of temples, propaganda of the theory of a glass of water and permission for sodomy, then who needs such a future? request If you like all this - these are your problems! If you start rubbing in about excesses - then they were not a year or two, but 40 years - the last shooting of a workers' demonstration in the USSR is 1962 ... request So for example - Franco was able to quickly try on the country after the Civil War request
            20. mat-vey
              mat-vey 14 November 2020 13: 36
              -1
              Quote: DrEng527
              Quote: mat-vey
              I just applied your approach to "thinking"

              you flattered yourself request you can't think ...
              Quote: mat-vey
              if the Bolsheviks did not have the right to build a bright future for the people, because Kotovsky joined the CPSU in 1920 (b

              1) A simple question - is it really only Kotovsky of the bandits in leading positions in the Red Army? It was a SYSTEM! There were also higher - division commander Makhno, there were lower - Mishka Yaponchik request And I am about the known facts! By the way, the Bolsheviks never hid the fact that they were robbing for the party treasury by arranging exs ... request That is why for them the criminals were socially close, this did not happen either before or after, either in Russia or in other countries ...
              2) What "bright future" are you talking about? For 3 years, by the spring of 1921, they brought the country to hunger and devastation, and the VIL itself admitted the failure of politics and went over to the NEP request
              Quote: mat-vey
              how are all composers deaf, or to write beautiful music you have to be deaf?

              To write something you need to be able to think! And comparing warm and soft is a sign of lack of ability to think. bully
              I will give you another analogy - if the road to a "brighter future" lies through mass shootings, robberies of everything and everyone, desecration of temples, propaganda of the theory of a glass of water and permission for sodomy, then who needs such a future? request If you like all this - these are your problems! If you start rubbing in about excesses - then they were not a year or two, but 40 years - the last shooting of a workers' demonstration in the USSR is 1962 ... request So for example - Franco was able to quickly try on the country after the Civil War request

              Autumn, autumn ...
            21. DrEng527
              DrEng527 14 November 2020 14: 29
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              Fall, fall

              when there is nothing to answer, they write platitudes, and without even realizing that about themselves ... hi
            22. mat-vey
              mat-vey 15 November 2020 05: 40
              -1
              As you rightly noticed about yourself in your banality, although you probably need to repeat it twice:

              But what arguments can there be for fairy tales and myths? You already seem to have been told - lie as much as you want. What does not suit you? To disassemble your primitive (I do not always agree) lies, you will erase the whole clave, especially since, I will repeat your fairy tales and myths have long been disassembled and re-disassembled. Do you like fairy tales about the white bull? So this is to kindergarten or to the doctor, only to the good. [/ Quote]
            23. DrEng527
              DrEng527 16 November 2020 14: 41
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              To disassemble your primitive (I do not always agree) lies, you will erase the whole claudia

              in a short translation, this means that there is nothing to say to you and you are pouring from empty to empty Claudia request and you declare the given specific numbers a myth or a fairy tale ... but this is your right, I just once again made sure that the scoops are all equally commonplace hi
              I see no point in continuing - he is a fanatic like a wall bully
            24. mat-vey
              mat-vey 16 November 2020 14: 58
              -1
              You already seem to have been told - lie as much as you want. What are the problems? You will learn from Zemsky to work with numbers and the ability to draw conclusions and conclusions based on them.
            25. DrEng527
              DrEng527 17 November 2020 20: 07
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              Quote: mat-vey
              Zemsky learn to work with numbers

              what to learn there? he has only one merit - he honestly writes his methodology, although this is difficult for you ... so, according to Zemskov, if your property was taken away and kicked out of your house, then you suffered from the Soviet regime, but were not repressed ... request if you are driven into a settlement where you are forced to work, but you are not given rations, but you are given 25 years to escape, then you are not a ZK hi
              Quote: mat-vey
              lie as much as you want.

              you have not challenged any of my numbers due to illiteracy, but you throw accusations ... I understand, this is a scoop forever! bully
            26. mat-vey
              mat-vey 18 November 2020 06: 05
              -1
              Quote: mat-vey
              But what arguments can there be for fairy tales and myths? You already seem to have been told - lie as much as you want. What does not suit you? To disassemble your primitive (I do not always agree) lies, you will erase the whole clave, especially since, I will repeat your fairy tales and myths have long been disassembled and re-disassembled. Do you like fairy tales about the white bull? So this is to kindergarten or to the doctor, only to the good.
            27. DrEng527
              DrEng527 18 November 2020 16: 41
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              But what are the arguments

              that's right - live in a scoop and remember the myths from the Short Course ... bully
            28. mat-vey
              mat-vey 19 November 2020 05: 46
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              Quote: DrEng527
              that's right - live in a scoop and remember the myths from the Short Course ...

              Well, if it's your style - read Solzhenitsyn and Ogonyok, and yes - don't forget the rezun. In general, all your "argumentation" resembles a cropped photograph of children from a Finnish concentration camp.
            29. DrEng527
              DrEng527 19 November 2020 11: 57
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              Quote: mat-vey
              read Solzhenitsyn

              Is that a surname - spelled with a capital ... or do you hate it so much that it drives your teeth? In vain, he was the first to seriously investigate the theme of the GULAG artistically - it takes courage! As well as the topic of Jews in Russia. He is an average writer, a complex person, but a personality that has gone down in history ... unlike you ... so you are funny ...
              Quote: mat-vey
              do not forget rezun

              and again the complexes ... V.Suvorov may have lied somewhere, but before the lies of Soviet historians, he was like the moon ... so how many tanks were there in the Red Army in June 1941? And why the T-26 and BT-7 are outdated and bad (we do not take into account), and why the Germans take the T-1 or T-2 into account - well, super tanks ... bully It is from such lies of soviet historians that V. Suvorov's novels grow, but you consider him to be guilty, and not the propagandists from the Central Committee of the CPSU who were fed up on rations. hi
              Quote: mat-vey
              all your "argumentation" resembles a cropped photograph of children from a Finnish concentration camp.

              prove it - but you are afraid to give your numbers, tk. you know, I'll whip you with a rod of knowledge ... bully
            30. mat-vey
              mat-vey 19 November 2020 12: 54
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              so you're funny ...

              I hope you didn't describe yourself with laughter? And just unsubscribed .... and then such an embarrassment.
              Quote: DrEng527
              prove it - but you are afraid to give your numbers, tk. you know, I'll whip you with a rod of knowledge ...

              but now I almost covered myself with laughter ..
              How to explain in a simpler way - I'm not going to give you anything - I don't play with cheaters, unless I sit at one table and then out of boredom.
            31. DrEng527
              DrEng527 19 November 2020 12: 58
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              Quote: mat-vey
              you didn’t describe yourself with laughter? And just unsubscribed .... and then such an embarrassment.

              you definitely have an inferiority complex ... bully
              Quote: mat-vey
              now I almost described myself with laughter ..

              incontinent? sorry... crying

              Quote: mat-vey
              I'm not going to give you anything -

              which was required to be proved - you are a banal illiterate scoop ... bully good luck! hi
            32. mat-vey
              mat-vey 19 November 2020 13: 03
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              Quote: DrEng527
              which was required to prove - you are a banal illiterate scoop ... bully good luck!

              Bose, you are my ... Can you really stop quoting your (and not only) fantasies and fairy tales to me? You know, I have heard enough of this dregs of yours over the past 35 years that it’s not even sick, but it’s just funny that there are still such pretentious storytellers.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 3 November 2020 08: 22
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    Quote: CSKA
    It turns out that there were Trotskyists all around. It turns out they also wanted the defeat of the USSR.

    1. You know poorly the history of the CPSU (b). After the 17th year, the number of Trotskyists in the party factor of outnumbered the Bolsheviks.
    2. The Trotskyists did not want the defeat of the USSR. They wanted to come to power themselves, using external power for this.

    The fifth column is with us, using (they think so) the West to overthrow Putin in the hope of grabbing power by themselves. The same thing is happening in Belarus and other countries where color revolutions have taken place and are taking place.
    1. Lewww
      Lewww 3 November 2020 10: 42
      0
      You don't know much about the history of the CPSU (b). After 17, the number of Trotskyists in the party was several times greater than the number of Bolsheviks.

      you do not understand what you are writing about, you do not understand the meaning of the terms "Bolshevik" and "Trotskyist", as a result, absurdity comes out.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 3 November 2020 12: 46
        -4
        Quote: Lewww
        You don’t understand what you are writing about, you don’t understand the meaning of the terms "Bolshevik" and "Trotskyist", and as a result, it’s absurd.

        Bolshevism, as the history of the CPSU teaches, emerged in 1903 at the Second Congress of the RSDLP as one of the party factions. As his opponents argued, the Bolsheviks until 1917 never represented the actual majority of the members of the Marxist party, and therefore the opponents of the Bolsheviks in those years always objected to their self-designation. But such an opinion stemmed from the misunderstanding of the essence of Bolshevism by the heterogeneous Mensheviks.

        Bolshevism - this is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not a party affiliation. And the phrase “Jewish Bolshevism” used by Hitler in “Mein Kampf” is completely meaningless, since Bolshevism is a manifestation of the spirit of Russian civilization, and not the spirit of the bearers of the biblical doctrine of global slavery on a racial basis. Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, somehow it exists today. It will continue to exist. As stated by the Bolsheviks themselves - members of the Marxist party RSDLP (b), it was they who expressed in politics the strategic interests of the working majority of the population of multinational Russia, as a result of which only they had the right to be called Bolsheviks.

        Regardless of how infallible the Bolsheviks are in expressing the strategic interests of the labor majority, how much this majority itself is aware of their strategic interests and is true to them in life, the essence of Bolshevism is not in the numerical superiority of adherents of certain ideas over adherents of other ideas and a thoughtless crowd, namely in a sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the labor majority, who wants no one to parasitize on their work and life. In other words, the essence of Bolshevism is historically real in every epoch - in the active support of the transition process from the historically established crowd of “elitism” to Humanity.

        Trotskyism - this is an ancient phenomenon inherent in a global crowd-“elite” civilization and allowing people who are committed to it, openly declaring good intentions, suppress them by their own actions by default; is the basis of idealistic and materialistic atheism. In the distant past, he performed under the name of obsession; during the heyday of enlightenment in the West, it was perceived as abstract humanism, and during the period of revolutionary upheavals in Russia it was called Trotskyism, after a man who fully combined obsession, abstract humanism and atheism in his personal life and social activities.

        Trotskyism Is not at all one of the varieties of Marxism. A characteristic feature of Trotskyism in the communist movement in the twentieth century was complete deafness to the content of criticism expressed against it, combined with adherence to the principle of suppressing in life the declarations proclaimed by the Trotskyists, a system of silences, on the basis of which they actually act, united in the collective unconscious.

        This means that Trotskyism is a mental phenomenon. Trotskyism, in a sincere personal manifestation of well-intentioned by its adherents, is characterized by the conflict between the individual consciousness and the unconscious, both individual and collective, generated by all Trotskyists in their totality.

        And in this conflict, the collective unconscious of the Trotskyists viciously triumphs, suppressing the personal perceived well-intentioned of each of them with the totality of their deeds. This mental trait, inherent in many individuals, is a much more ancient phenomenon than historically real Trotskyism. For this property of the psyche of individuals, no other word was found in the distant past, except for "obsession", and in the era of the dominance of the materialistic worldview, for this phenomenon there were no words at all in the language that correspond to the essence of this type of mental impairment, which was named after the pseudonym of one of its most prominent representatives.

        It is for this reason - of a purely mental nature - that equal relations with Trotskyism and Trotskyists personally at the level of intellectual discussion, arguments and counterarguments are fruitless and dangerous for those who do not see its real underpinnings that do not depend on the ideology that clothe it. Such features of Trotskyism in the historically broad sense of the word lead to the fact that relations between people and Trotskyism lie outside the field of constructive discussions, collective "brainstorming" of some problems and other definitely expedient human activity. At the same time, relations with Trotskyism and Trotskyists also fall out of the field of ethics and morality of human relations, and if in this case they do not fit into the possibilities of psychiatry and mental healing developed in society in a particular historical era, then they go into the field of practical social hygiene. Trotskyism in this case includes a mechanism for imitating a struggle with oneself and, activating it in public life, draws many people not involved in it into the meat grinder of repression, so that later these victims are blamed on their opponents: this was the case in the real history of the Inquisition in the Catholic world, this was the case in the USSR during the period of the struggle between Bolshevism and Trotskyist Marxism.

        Under the dominance of the Trotskyists in power, those who once viewed the mistakes of the Trotskyists as their sincere ideological delusions and spoke directly about them in society, trying to reason with the Trotskyists, were destroyed under far-fetched false pretexts: this was clearly expressed in the fate of many victims of the NKVD-OGPU from 1918 to 1930 year, when these bodies were completely controlled by the Trotskyists and were filled with their henchmen.

        Trotskyism in its essence is a schizophrenic, aggressive, politically-active psyche that can hide behind any ideology, any sociological doctrine.

        Therefore, Marxism is originally an expression of mental Trotskyism. Marx and Engels were psychtrotskyists. Hitler was also a psychtrotskyist [1]. At the end of the USSR, the dissidents were anti-communist psychtrotskyists. And now the majority of pro-bourgeois reform activists in Russia and their opponents from the ranks of various patriotic parties and all supposedly communist parties that are unable to abandon Marxism are also psychtrotskyists.

        Psychtrotskyism is a psychological phenomenon (more than a political one), ideologically omnivorous - in fact, these are the claims of a parasitic minority to rule over society on behalf of the working majority. They announce one thing, do something completely different. What is default (unsaid) is more important than what is announced.

        Psychtrotskyism is (shamelessly) arrogant arrogance that claims to realize itself in politics without acquiring the necessary knowledge and skills. “I am the only and without alternative wise, and therefore my life mission is to lead politically, that is, give him the meaning of life and reign in his own name "- this initial moral and ethical principle of psychtrotskyism is a variety and concrete expression of the general principle of Satanism" I am better than them, and therefore I have the right, and they should ... ".
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 3 November 2020 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          since Bolshevism is a manifestation of the spirit of Russian civilization,

          enchanting delirium of an illiterate ... bully
        2. Lewww
          Lewww 3 November 2020 23: 50
          +2
          Boris55, you learned to copy-paste but did not learn to understand what was written.
          You wrote:
          You don't know much about the history of the CPSU (b). After 17, the number of Trotskyists in the party was several times greater than the number of Bolsheviks.
          this is absurdity - the number of Trotskyists in the CPSU (b) could not exceed the number of the Bolsheviks, since all who were in the CPSU (b) were Bolsheviks laughing
          But at the same time, some of the Bolsheviks were Trotskyists

          Trotskyism is an ancient phenomenon inherent in the global crowd-"elite" civilization and allows people who are committed to it, openly declaring good intentions
          in vain I began to correct you - consider as you please, it is useless to explain
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 3 November 2020 21: 04
        0
        Quote: Lewww
        you do not understand what you are writing about, you do not understand the meaning of the terms "Bolshevik" and "Trotskyist", as a result, absurdity comes out.

        Until July 1917, Trotsky was either a Menshevik or formed some kind of blocs that fought for primacy in the party with the Bolsheviks.
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 3 November 2020 14: 03
      -1
      Quote: Boris55
      1. You know poorly the history of the CPSU (b). After 17, the number of Trotskyists in the party was several times greater than the number of Bolsheviks.

      Do you even understand what you are talking about? Trotskyists are Bolsheviks.
      Quote: Boris55
      2. The Trotskyists did not want the defeat of the USSR. They wanted to come to power themselves, using external power for this.

      How are you, whom and by what criteria do you enroll in Trotskyists?
    3. DrEng527
      DrEng527 3 November 2020 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      2. The Trotskyists did not want the defeat of the USSR. They wanted to come to power themselves, using external power for this.

      Trotsky was 2 people in the RSFSR, commanded the Red Army - what other power does he need?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 November 2020 08: 00
        -3
        Quote: DrEng527
        Trotsky was 2 people in the RSFSR, commanded the Red Army - what other power does he need?

        The one that would allow him to avoid meeting the ice ax.

        Regarding the number of Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Socialist-Revolutionaries, etc. in the party, if you don't have time to look for yourself, then look at the graph below:


        After the revolution, the number of the party increased almost 10 times!

        Only in 24, after the death of Lenin and the "Lenin's enrollment" in the party, the advantage in the party turned out to be in favor of the Bolsheviks, which allowed Stalin to prepare the country for war.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 4 November 2020 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          The one that would allow him to avoid meeting the ice ax.

          VIL was at the head of the country, but received a couple of poisoned bullets, so your thesis is rather weak ...

          Quote: Boris55
          About the number of Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Socialist-Revolutionaries in the party

          your illiteracy is off the charts - the Socialist-Revolutionaries are socialist-revolutionaries - a completely different party in Ingushetia ... request
          Quote: Boris55
          the advantage in the party was in favor of the Bolsheviks,

          not at all - the Stalinists ...
          Quote: Boris55
          which allowed Stalin to prepare the country for war.

          why did the Red Army skidded to the Volga? request
  • Proxima
    Proxima 2 November 2020 09: 00
    +7
    Very interesting stuff, thanks! I was especially surprised by the carelessness of Stalin's entourage when they set him up with the Katyushas. Didn't anyone know that half an hour after the work of these installations, this place will be a "lunar landscape"? And to expose the life of the leader of the state in this way, to put it mildly - is unreasonable!
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 2 November 2020 14: 10
      0
      This moment also surprises me
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 November 2020 17: 26
        0
        There are no photos of these trips.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 20: 10
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There are no photos of these trips.

          but the mass "oil on canvas" laughing
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 3 November 2020 09: 49
          0
          how many photos of other generals? in% of the time they spent in the front line?
          and compare with the residence time of the IVS in proportions.
  • KVIRTU
    KVIRTU 8 November 2020 22: 17
    0
    Thanks to the author, but all the interesting moments from Serov's diary.
  • Azamat Ramazanov
    Azamat Ramazanov 26 November 2020 21: 14
    0
    Помню как по телевизору в 90гг Волкогонов врал что мол Сталин ни разу не ездил на фронт мол боялся.какая же падла был этот Волкогонов
  • Revolver
    Revolver 2 November 2020 06: 01
    17
    Quote: I.V. Stalin
    After my death, a lot of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of history will mercilessly dispel it.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 14: 45
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Quote: I.V. Stalin
      After my death, a lot of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of history will mercilessly dispel it.

      Hopefully this pile of rubbish will also contain cheap sugary myths about the father of nations? It would be nice if they were also dispelled nafig.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 2 November 2020 06: 18
    +6
    That's it! Live and learn ... I simply did not pay attention to this part of the history of the Second World War. Not to say that he was under the stereotype of the globe, but ... I got into the sources, and what to do.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 2 November 2020 11: 21
      +7
      Quote: sleeve
      I simply did not pay attention to this part of the history of the Second World War

      They did it right: this "part of the Second World War" simply does not exist:

      Firstly, the author simply ripped off the following from a real source (Rybin):
      There was a lot of snow and the heavy Packard quickly sat down on the bottom,
      At that moment, a division of the German cavalry of the SS troops approached this place, they could not use tanks and motorcycles because of the deep snow. Seeing the Soviet tanks, the SS did not dare to contact them and watched the evacuation of the vehicles from a distance.

      And here is what Rybin, a former bodyguard of Stalin, writes:
      “There was a lot of snow, and Stalin's Packard sat on its belly.
      At that moment, a division of German cavalry from the 1st SS Cavalry Brigade approached the place from where the Katyushas were being fired - the Germans could not use tanks and motorcycles because of the deep snow. However, the SS did not dare to contact the Russian tanks and watched the evacuation of cars from a distance.


      Second, the author writes:
      On to the memoirs of the chief of security, General Vlasik, in one place above their heads a battle began between Soviet and German fighters. Stalin got out of the car and watched the battle when around fell into the wet grass and hissed like snakes hot shards. Stalin looked at them coolly and with interest, and then remarked with a laugh: "Hiss like a fascist brat".


      But he writes Rybin:
      “And around hot shards fall and hiss in the wet grass, like snakes... The Supreme Commander began to examine them with interest, and then remarked with a laugh: “They hiss like a fascist brat ".


      In the same way Rybin and Vlvsik are the same by one they say with words! lol

      Thirdly, neither Rokossovsky (who, allegedly, had Stalin in the 16th Army, neither the Zhukov front commander knew about it in a dream, nor in spirit, and did not leave a single testimony about "trips to the" front "" (about, allegedly, "secrets": you can write to the guards, and the marshals of Victory - "no", yeah).

      Does not know about those and early. Of the General Staff Vasilevsky (except August 43) and in general NONE of the generals and marshals, to whom Stalin allegedly went.

      The only confirmed departure to ATthe front zone in Yukhnov (130! Km to the front) is August 1943 about which, in fact, many wrote about.

      They wrote in perplexity and even more:

      Marshal Voronov:
      “On August 3, all of a sudden, we were summoned to Yukhnov. From the front it was already far away, and we had to go for a long time.

      - We will not deal with the details. The Western Front needed to approach Smolensk by the spring of 1944, prepare thoroughly, accumulate forces and take the city.

      This phrase was repeated twice.

      The conversation was essentially over. We set off on the way back.

      Many were surprised by this secret departure of the Supreme Commander to Yukhnov. Why did you have to go so many kilometers along the road torn apart by tanks and tractors, which in some places became impassable, and stop in a town far from the front? He could not see anything from here ... Contacting the fronts from here was much more difficult than from Moscow. A strange, unnecessary trip».


      And here is what Anasatas Mikoyan, a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, said about them (“Stalin as I knew him” (Moscow, “Algorithm”, 2015):

      “Stalin was not a very brave ten. After all, this is an impossible task: Supreme Commander never went to the front! However, he went once ... I wanted, apparently, that a rumor would go around the army that Stalin had gone to the front. However, he did not reach the front ..
      There is also an interesting continuation, yes ...

      So these lines:
      that the situation on the Soviet-German front requires "more often than usual, go to the troops, to certain sectors of our front"
      - nothing more than a lie: there was neither "usually", nor, moreover, "more often than usual."

      Nevertheless, being in Moscow in the terrible October-November 1941 in Moscow is a really courageous act.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 2 November 2020 14: 52
        +8
        Good day, Andrey. hi
        They did it right: this "part of the Second World War" simply does not exist:

        That's right, I was immediately surprised by the title of the article "Stalin's Trip to the Front", because in no edition of the memoirs and memoirs of our generals and marshals had anything like this read about, and precisely because it was not in nature. And there was no need for these trips.
        And for some reason I remembered the film "The Fall of Berlin" in 1950 and Stalin's arrival in the fallen Berlin, which, of course, never happened either.

        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 16: 00
          +5
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And for some reason I remembered the film "The Fall of Berlin" in 1950 and Stalin's arrival in the fallen Berlin, which, of course, never happened either.

          Yes, I also remembered)
          From the screenplay "The Fall of Berlin":
          ..... Stalin is a few steps away from them, he stops, affectionately looking at the meeting of two souls who have lost each other in the whirlpool of war. He looks and smiles in a fatherly way, as if he is strengthening with his presence and blessing their life with his smile.

          Natasha approaches him and, boldly looking into his eyes, says:

          - May I kiss you, Comrade Stalin, for everything, for everything that you have done for our people, for us!

          Stalin, somewhat embarrassed by the unexpected question, throws up his hands. Natasha comes up to him and presses her lips to his shoulder.
          A powerful hurray arises. Foreigners, each in his own language, greet Stalin.

          - Long live Stalin!

          - May our Stalin live forever!

          - Glory to the Soviet Army!

          - Glory to the great Stalin! - is carried in all languages ​​of the world.

          The song appears:

          Great leader! We wish you
          Health, strength for many years.
          Follow you to brighter times

          Epic power! laughing
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 16: 18
          +7
          as for the "masters of the brush", here is an extravaganza of fantasy.
          Comrade Stalin is monumental in doha! Although slightly disproportionate ...

          few people know, but Comrade Stalin went to the construction of defensive lines near Moscow (yes!) ... well, if you believe the artist Neprintsev:

          And comrade artist Aladzhalov in general identified Joseph Vissarionych in an incomprehensible fortress. Incidentally, this daub 1949. half a million worth at auction)
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 2 November 2020 16: 44
            +6
            Well, for smears, the theme "Comrade Stalin at the Front" is an inexhaustible gold mine. I am only surprised that they did not think of portraying him with a PCA around his neck, to see the "creative impulse" was not enough.
            Here, I found another "artistic and immortal", but he is far from the "doha". laughing
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 16: 57
              +4
              I am only surprised that they did not think of portraying him with a PCA around his neck, to see the "creative impulse" was not enough.

              yes, there would be our answer Vinnie with "tommy gun")
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      2. Old electrician
        Old electrician 2 November 2020 15: 36
        +4
        Mikoyan was an exceptionally unscrupulous person in moral terms. A fitter. As they said about him "from Ilyich to Ilyich without a heart attack and paralysis." It goes without saying that under Khrushchev he became an ardent fighter against the personality cult. Therefore, in his memoirs, he throws mud at Stalin, including as Mikoyan assures him for Stalin's only trip to the front.
        Stalin's trips to the front were not even reported in hindsight. The secrecy of such trips was so great that there is practically no documentary evidence. If we talk about the need for such secrecy, then it was absolutely justified. Since the elimination of the head of a hostile state during a war is the most azure dream of any intelligence service.
        In turn, Mikoyan was in charge of foreign trade during the war. According to his position, he was not allowed to get a cannon shot to secrets concerning front-line affairs. Not only could he not accompany Stalin to the front, but he was not even allowed to receive information about Stalin's movements. Therefore, in his memoirs Mikoyan either sings from someone else's voice, or openly lies. You cannot believe a single word of the organizer of the execution of the workers' hunger riot in Novocherkassk in 1962.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 2 November 2020 18: 04
          +3
          I found a couple of examples of computer creativity here. smile

          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 20: 18
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I found a couple of examples of computer creativity here.

            Huh!

            A brief description of the nonsense that is under the cover (read the announcement, by God, it's worth it):
            A new novel from the author of the bestselling "Three Tankmen from the Future"! If we are to replay the history of the Second World War - you should go with the highest suit, with the highest trump card! Whose name was the most powerful Soviet tank of the Great Patriotic War? Who was supposed to "send the machines on a furious march"? What is the easiest way to change the history of the USSR? That's right - having taken possession of the body of I.V. Stalin!

            It would seem that, having become the all-powerful Leader, the "hitman" from the future must correct all past mistakes, prepare the Red Army for Hitler's attack, and prevent the defeat of 1941. Why, then, in an alternative reality, the Great Patriotic War begins almost as catastrophically as in our past? Is this the notorious "inertia of history" to blame? Or the weakness of the "hitman" himself, whose personality is gradually losing control over Stalin's mind, suppressed by the mighty will of the Leader? Or did the accursed General Pavlov, who destroyed the Western Front, set up our troops not out of stupidity and mediocrity, but quite deliberately, intentionally, on purpose? But who then controls his mind? And what other wood can a convinced "liberal" abandoned in the Stalin era be able to break?


            To cognitive nausea ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 3 November 2020 06: 29
              +3
              Eh ... There is nothing to say, a clinic ... There is about the same masterpiece called "The Polite People of the Emperor", I simply cannot comment on this.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 2 November 2020 18: 50
          +2
          "They did not report the trips to the front even after the fact * that it was secret, I have no doubt, but I have doubts: why, after the victory, there are no memories of this: Molotov, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Vasilevsky. They did not tell their families about it.
        3. ee2100
          ee2100 2 November 2020 21: 01
          +1
          From "Ilyich to Ilyich" they talked about A.Ya. Pelshe.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 6 November 2020 17: 39
            0
            Quote: ee2100
            From "Ilyich to Ilyich" they talked about A.Ya. Pelshe.

            "From Ilyich to Ilyich without a heart attack and paralysis"- this is also about Mikoyan.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 6 November 2020 18: 28
              0
              Both from Ilyich to Ilyich. But Pelshe has a cooler career, my opinion
        4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 21: 17
          +7
          Quote: Old electrician
          Stalin's trips to the front were not even reported in hindsight. The secrecy of such trips was so great that there is practically no documentary evidence.

          flawlessly. Paradox: lack of evidence is the best evidence. Carte blanche to speculators. I was surprised that just a cranberry about "air battle (at night!) Over the head of the imperturbable Leader" and "Lavrinenko saved the Leader from the SS cavalry in his T-34." And, there Rybin also had about the German landing, it seems, there was still. Moreover, Vlasik, they say, was left in Moscow to confuse the enemies - if the "shadow of Stalin" is in the capital, then, therefore ... and so on.
          Who is it all for? Both the fans and the haters of Joseph Vissarionovich reach the point of complete insanity in their breaking of copies and stools. Aren't you tired of it?
          There was nothing for Stalin to do "at the front." What is the point?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 3 November 2020 08: 14
            -1
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            There was nothing for Stalin to do "at the front." What is the point?

            And in this:
            "I AM just returned from the front yes

            .. the situation on the Soviet-German front requires "more often than usual go to the troops, to certain parts of our front"
            from a letter to armchair Churchill from this, Yesyes
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 3 November 2020 10: 02
            -2
            There was nothing for Stalin to do "at the front." What is the point?

            THE MOST EXPENSIVE IS SEWAGE AND CAPITAL BUILDINGS. reports of com fronts should be, and to determine the PRICE OF REVIVAL OF THE COUNTRY is the TOP TASK.
            NOT THE MILITARY (GKZH AND ROKOS-Y) ruled the country, BUT WE WERE IN THE MOST DIFFICULT SITUATION - PART OF THE APPARATUS ...
            -How long will the people withstand before the onset of normal life and the Bolsheviks-agitators themselves (by personal example)?
            -How many years can you live in dugouts and potato peelings (father told me) ???????????? - purposes of travel
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 November 2020 10: 12
              -1
              Quote: antivirus
              -How many years can you live in dugouts and potato peelings (father told me) ???????????? - purposes of travel

              Nonsense. What, nafig, cleaning and dugouts? By definition, he could not get to them.
              And
              SEWERAGE AND CAPITAL BUILDINGS
              in the 41st they worried the commander-in-chief most of all, yeah.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 November 2020 07: 34
    +7
    Yeah. Pleased with the author. He presented interesting material. Very interesting. Before that, I had only read about Comrade Stalin's armored train and that on the routes the guards were stationed within sight of each other. It was, however, in the 90s and it was not always possible to believe that "reading matter".
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 2 November 2020 08: 31
      +6
      It was, however, in the 90s and it was not always possible to believe that "reading matter".

      I have the impression that this reading is generally not worth believing.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 3 November 2020 12: 55
        +1
        in the other part of the institute - "Khinshtein promoted" Serov's notes and lost the courts, there were no memories "
        1. antchar
          antchar 7 November 2020 23: 27
          +1
          There is one more mention of this trip of Stalin. But it said that Beria was among those accompanying the leader.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 15: 21
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It was, however, in the 90s and it was not always possible to believe that "reading matter".

      Yes, I would be skeptical about this reading matter. The stories about "hissing splinters" and the miraculous escape from the "SS cavalrymen" are, I think, memoir fantasies and nothing more. It's funny that even in such a seemingly simple episode as Stalin's flight from Baku to Tehran to a conference, memoirists cannot come to the same version - he flies on a S-47 with Golovanov, then with Grachev, then in general, as he claims Berezhkov, travels to Tehran by train, and the most exotic version - by ferry across the Caspian Sea and by car to Tehran.
    3. zenion
      zenion 2 November 2020 17: 19
      +6
      Whatever Stalin did, he was doing wrong today. How could Hitler be driven to suicide? In addition, if the Americans did not participate in the defense of Stalingrad, then it would never have been defended. In addition, the Americans captured Berlin, and then left it, so that the Red Army could enter and consider itself the winner. In addition, Stalin ordered to write on two nuclear bombs - hello from the United States and drop them on Japan. Of course, the fact that the allies of the USSR recognized Stalin as a wise ruler is wrong, because today's human-like Russia thinks this is wrong. And he made galoshes - a shame and a disgrace, in comparison with the present they are worthless.
      1. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 7 November 2020 09: 43
        0
        And 30 million fallen is a mere trifle. How it glows, we can repeat :)
  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 November 2020 07: 36
    21
    It was not entirely clear that Stalin's trip on August 2-5, 1943, to the front-line zone in the areas of Gzhatsk, Yukhnov, Rzhev, which were liberated from the Germans back in March 1943.
    The purpose of this trip is clear. Firstly, it played a positive role in raising the morale of the troops before the planned offensive operations.
    It was during this trip that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief decided to celebrate the victories and liberation of Soviet cities with salutes in honor of the Red Army troops.
    Secondly, the trip had a foreign policy aspect of this event before the preparation of the trilateral meeting of the allies. Already on August 9, JV Stalin informed W. Churchill of his assignment.
    On that day, he wrote to the British Prime Minister: "I have just returned from the front and have already managed to get acquainted with the message of the British Government of August 7 ..." JV Stalin supported the idea of ​​a meeting of the Big Three, but noted that the situation in the Soviet German front requires him "more often than usual, to go to the troops, to certain sectors of our front."
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 2 November 2020 14: 59
      +3
      It is much more convenient for the destroyers of the USSR (and now Russia) to link the Great Victory
      with the mystical penetration of icons and the movement of the remains of Tamerlane.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 November 2020 08: 17
    22
    For a long time, a version has been promoted in historical literature that Stalin was afraid to go to the front and never was there, and at the suggestion of the "strategist" Khrushchev, the leader allegedly led the troops "on a globe" and was afraid to leave Moscow.
    In the heat of the discussion on the issue of Stalin's trips to the front, for some reason no one asked the question - should Stalin have gone to the front?
    If you read the memoirs of Soviet generals, marshals, state and party leaders, then the conclusion suggests itself that Stalin's death, especially taking into account the structure of the supreme power of the war period and the general mechanisms of its functioning during the Great Patriotic War, would have disastrous consequences for the USSR.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 2 November 2020 08: 34
      +5
      that Stalin's death, especially taking into account the structure of the supreme power of the war period and the general mechanisms of its functioning during the Great Patriotic War, would have catastrophic consequences for the USSR.

      This is true. But having a personal impression of the battlefield for decision making is equally important. Stalin knew this from the time of the Civil War. Otherwise the sycophants will give such information that there will be no correct decision.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 2 November 2020 09: 01
        +8
        But have a personal impression of the battlefield for decision making
        The length of the Soviet-German front in November 1943 was 6,2 thousand kilometers.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 2 November 2020 14: 08
          +1
          The length of the Soviet-German front in November 1943 was 6,2 thousand kilometers.

          And are they all equal?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 2 November 2020 14: 20
            +5
            But "in order" to "have a personal impression of the battle areas" and their importance, one must visit everything, otherwise the sycophants will definitely mislead them, passing off the secondary site as the main one.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 2 November 2020 15: 18
              -3
              There weren't too many of them, sycophants, at that time, as they were shooting back regularly.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 2 November 2020 15: 20
              0
              Quote: Undecim
              Otherwise, sycophants will definitely mislead them, passing off the secondary site as the main one.

              Uh-huh ... just remember Small Earth. wink
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 2 November 2020 16: 09
                0
                Uh-huh ... just remember Small Earth.

                And when this site was promoted, not in 1975, by chance?
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 16: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  not 1975, by any chance?

                  in 1978, to be precise. "New World", no. 2.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 2 November 2020 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      In the heat of the discussion on the issue of Stalin's trips to the front, for some reason no one asked the question - should Stalin have gone to the front?

      Why should you ask yourself, you just have to look at Chapaev. He clearly explains where the commander should be ...
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 November 2020 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      In the heat of the discussion on the issue of Stalin's trips to the front, for some reason no one asked the question - should Stalin have gone to the front?

      So it was said about the place of the commander back in 1934:

      And Stalin could not have traveled, but he could not afford to receive information only through third parties. This is probably why people cried and grieved over his death and accepted his death as the death of a loved one.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 2 November 2020 09: 44
    +6
    I read about how easily and calmly Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev communicated with ordinary people, being the first people in the state. But I have not come across such facts from the life of Khrushchev, Chernenko, Andropov ..
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 2 November 2020 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      But I have not come across such facts from the life of Khrushchev, Chernenko, Andropov ..

      I don’t know about Khrushchev and Chernenko, but there are many recollections of retired KGB officers about Andropov’s attitude to the KGB officers. Praise Yu.V. It is not known about relations with ordinary citizens, it is possible that ordinary people did not get to Andropov for interrogations lol
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 2 November 2020 11: 21
        +2
        Yeah, but what exactly Andropov brought into Gorbachev's Politburo. It was then that the instinct of the old Chekist let him down.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 3 November 2020 14: 33
          0
          Quote: Petrik66
          It was then that the instinct of the old Chekist let him down.

          or vice versa - picked up a frame for dismantling the USSR? hi
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 3 November 2020 16: 05
            0
            Quote: DrEng527
            Quote: Petrik66
            It was then that the instinct of the old Chekist let him down.

            or vice versa - picked up a frame for dismantling the USSR? hi

            Well, if we remember that it was under Andropov that such “cadres” as Burbulis, Gaidar and other Yakovlevs “grew up,” the conclusion suggests itself wassat
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 3 November 2020 16: 19
              0
              Quote: Doliva63
              other Yakovlevs

              the problem is that the same Yakovlev is a front-line soldier, however, like Andropov himself ...
              and the rest are pawns ...
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 3 November 2020 16: 36
                -1
                Quote: DrEng527
                Quote: Doliva63
                other Yakovlevs

                the problem is that the same Yakovlev is a front-line soldier, however, like Andropov himself ...
                and the rest are pawns ...

                And Solzhenitsyn, it seems, was a front-line soldier, no? Past (perhaps forced) merits do not say anything.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 3 November 2020 16: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  And Solzhenitsyn, it seems, was a front-line soldier, no?

                  Was ... if not a secret - why the name with a small - so despise him? laughing
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Past (perhaps forced) merits do not say anything.

                  and you think - why did these front-line soldiers become anti-Soviet? request Maybe at the front they realized the stupidity of the ideas of communism and internationalism? Have you seen how other peoples live and did not like the comparison?
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 3 November 2020 17: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: DrEng527
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    And Solzhenitsyn, it seems, was a front-line soldier, no?

                    Was ... if not a secret - why the name with a small - so despise him? laughing
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Past (perhaps forced) merits do not say anything.

                    and you think - why did these front-line soldiers become anti-Soviet? request Maybe at the front they realized the stupidity of the ideas of communism and internationalism? Have you seen how other peoples live and did not like the comparison?

                    Any normal person who has read Solzhenitsyn will probably despise him. About awareness at the front - stupidity, sorry. My father was at war. About how other peoples live, only in the war with the Japanese began to notice, while they were at war with the Germans, there was no time for that. And then, think for yourself, what good can you think of other peoples, whose cities are in ruins? What live well? Cool.
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 3 November 2020 17: 36
                      -1
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Any normal person who has read Solzhenitsyn will probably despise him

                      1) the concept of the norm is different for everyone ...
                      2) You didn't like One day? Or 200 years together?
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      About awareness at the front - stupidity, sorry.

                      only for you...
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      while they fought with the Germans, there was no time.

                      even after the Victory? My uncle fought - he remembered it somehow, but he didn't like talking about the war ...
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      What good can you think of other peoples, whose cities lie in ruins? What live well? Cool.

                      1) Even in Germany, there was no continuous destruction of cities, but our people saw how people live, their houses, clothes, furniture, amenities (warm toilets in the villages) ...
                      2) You have an interesting understanding of the word cool ... request
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 3 November 2020 21: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Any normal person who has read Solzhenitsyn will probably despise him

                        1) the concept of the norm is different for everyone ...
                        2) You didn't like One day? Or 200 years together?
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        About awareness at the front - stupidity, sorry.

                        only for you...
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        while they fought with the Germans, there was no time.

                        even after the Victory? My uncle fought - he remembered it somehow, but he didn't like talking about the war ...
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        What good can you think of other peoples, whose cities lie in ruins? What live well? Cool.

                        1) Even in Germany, there was no continuous destruction of cities, but our people saw how people live, their houses, clothes, furniture, amenities (warm toilets in the villages) ...
                        2) You have an interesting understanding of the word cool ... request

                        Have you ever been shot? Bursts of two or three machines? For me, yes. And I didn't even think about warm toilets. The main thing is to survive. It was the same in that war. And "cool" is about your attempts to whitewash traitors. And besides warm toilets, our soldiers saw Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald in Germany - an awesome argument against the communists, of course. I have lived in Germany for almost 10 years, and this has not changed my opinion about my homeland. Maybe I'm just a normal person? Hence, I judge about "warm toilets" for "advanced". There is no point in continuing the discussion, we cannot understand each other.
                      2. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 4 November 2020 13: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        The main thing is to survive.

                        and did not look on the side between battles? laughing
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        And "cool" is about your attempts to whitewash traitors.

                        They are traitors only in your head, nothing more ... hi
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald - an awesome argument against the communists, of course

                        many of our fighters survived the Gulag and collectivization, for them the camps are nothing new ... request
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I have lived in Germany for almost 10 years, and this has not changed my opinion about my homeland.

                        and I live and work in Russia all the time! somehow I didn't run around the world for a long sausage, although I worked over the hill ...
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        There is no point in continuing the discussion, we cannot understand each other.

                        I'm not even going to - you have a classic psychotype - enemies are around ... request
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 November 2020 14: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        you have a classic psychotype - enemies are around ...

                        You said you weren't a doctor ...
                      4. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 4 November 2020 14: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You said you weren't a doctor ...

                        is this a diagnosis? request I'll put it for you - you have an inferiority complex to my nickname! That is why you track my messages, and I do not.laughing
                      5. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 November 2020 14: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        This is why you track my messages,

                        Have you decided to confirm your schizophrenia, or have your megalomania also worsened?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 2 November 2020 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Captain45
    I don’t know about Khrushchev and Chernenko, but there are many recollections of retired KGB officers about Andropov’s attitude to the KGB officers. Praise Yu.V.

    Interestingly, the GMC praises him or has already forgotten, with whose easy submission he ended up in the Central Committee?
  • vladcub
    vladcub 2 November 2020 17: 19
    +1
    I know from the stories of my elders. Khrushchev came to the Kuban and promised a lot "rivers of milk in the Kiselny banks". There were photographs in the newspapers: "the visit of NS Khrushchev, etc.
    I don’t know if this is true or not, but I heard from the old people, when they started talking about the 20th party congress, someone from the crowd asked: “Nikita Sergeevich, if this is all true, why were the“ healthy forces of the party ”silent?” I don’t know what N. S. answered. I remember at that time, about the fall of 1972, at a collective farm meeting, someone had a fight with the chairman and the old people humored: "now he will hide from the chairman as he was hiding from Khrushchev" of course, the kid was not told the details. At that time I was indifferent to history. I preferred games or films to old people's stories, but now I remember bits and pieces and regret not being interested
  • BAI
    BAI 2 November 2020 10: 39
    11
    communicated with ordinary people, being the first people in the state. But I have not come across such facts from the life of Khrushchev, Chernenko, Andropov ..

    How did Khrushchev not communicate? And at the exhibition of artists whom he named n ... mi?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 2 November 2020 10: 43
      +6
      laughing laughing laughing
      Yes Yes. Easy and casual ..
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 2 November 2020 11: 22
      +5
      Well, in form he was wrong, but in fact he hit the spot right. )))))
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 3 November 2020 12: 43
    +1
    Khrushchev also knew how to communicate with ordinary people. He could have joked and had a drink with the collective farmers.
  • BAI
    BAI 2 November 2020 10: 59
    +4
    1. Front is a loose concept. Both in length and width. Stalin was at a more or less close distance from the front line. I was not on the front line like here.



    2. The author dumped both real facts and legends into one heap.
    Three T-34 tanks of the legendary lieutenant accidentally passed along the lane Dmitry Lavrinenko... One tank hooked the "Emka" into the tug, and the other rushed after the stuck "Packard".

    By the participant, the characters are easily identified - the tankmen of the 4th tank brigade of Colonel Katukov.
    Neither Katukov nor Raftopullo (another author of memoirs about the 4th tank of that period) noted this episode. Although Katukov simply could not fail to note this "fact". Stalin himself arrived in the combat zone of his brigade, his tank crews made contact with him - and NOTHING! Not noted in the memoirs in any way. The whole brigade would be buzzing about this!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 November 2020 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: BAI
      Not noted in the memoirs in any way. The whole brigade would be buzzing about this!

      Do you know that Stalin had volumes of books written by him?

      Where did they go after his death? It was probably the same with memories. Or do you think that anything could be published in the USSR?
      We had a meeting with VVP in the Himmash building:

      Do you think that in 75 years (in 2090) someone will remember or write about her in classmates? wassat
      1. BAI
        BAI 2 November 2020 13: 10
        +8
        And what is forbidden in information about Stalin's trip to the front, especially considering that the memoirs were published in the 70s of the last century? Raftopullo -1973, Katukov - 1976. In Zhukov's "Reminiscences and Reflections", Stalin is found constantly, no one deleted him.
        in 75 years (in 2090) someone will remember her or write in classmates?

        The scale of personality is incommensurable. Stalin covers the GDP like a bull a sheep.
      2. victor50
        victor50 2 November 2020 16: 10
        0
        My aunt had. laughing And even the records with Stalin's speeches were kept. I've heard it. But then all this politics seemed boring
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 November 2020 15: 25
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      Neither Katukov nor Raftopullo (another author of memoirs about the 4th tank of that period) noted this episode. Although Katukov simply could not fail to note this "fact". Stalin himself arrived in the combat zone of his brigade, his tank crews made contact with him - and NOTHING! Not noted in the memoirs in any way. The whole brigade would be buzzing about this!

      PMSM, this case would have been noted in the brigade's documents. At least as a reason for the delay in the arrival of tanks.
    3. samosad
      samosad 7 November 2020 05: 54
      +2
      And who told you that the tankers knew whose packard and emka they were pulling out of the snow? The "uncles in uniform" came up, ordered, maybe asked to pull the cars out and left. Tankers in the turmoil of the whirlpool of events did not pay attention to this. Therefore, there are no memories of Katukov.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 8 November 2020 08: 41
        -1
        Quote: samosad
        Tankers in the turmoil of the whirlpool of events did not pay attention to this.

        Such machines were far from being pulled out ...
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 2 November 2020 11: 59
    +4
    Stalin did not rush around the country and the world like a madman, and the management in his years, with that connection, was excellent.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 2 November 2020 15: 36
      0
      "Elementary Watson": then it WAS DISCIPLINE. There was WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT. therefore
      Stalin could easily rule from Moscow. And now: Vanka is looking for Grishka, and Grishka is looking for Vanka.
      In all fairness, this mess did not begin now. Raikin also had this about it.
      I came to the conclusion long ago: if a miracle happens and Stalin is now in the Kremlin, he WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. NEEDS A TEAM OF LIKE-MINDERS, and this requires an idea. WHERE IS THE IDEAL NOW?
  • certero
    certero 2 November 2020 13: 14
    +4
    Quote: Petrik66
    One question is what specific party leaders gathered in Moscow in mid-October 1941. if not difficult, then a couple of names and the source of these facts

    Come on, what surnames they will tell you :). A person just wrote nonsense without thinking that now is a different time and may ask for facts to present
  • vladcub
    vladcub 2 November 2020 14: 29
    +3
    That NS poured 2 tubs of slop on Stalin can be easily explained: narrow-minded people have developed cunning, apparently, nature took care not to disappear like dinosaurs, NS had enough imagination to understand: Stalin is superior in intelligence. And you want to stand out, what to do? He, himself or was prompted, came up with: Stalin distorted Lenin byaka, and he removed all the distortions automatically became on a par with Lenin
  • Freeman
    Freeman 2 November 2020 14: 49
    +5
    As I understand it, this is a retelling of the diary of General Serov

    Soon Sokolovsky and Bulganin arrived ...
    ... The meeting was short-lived, Stalin hurried everyone to prepare for the offensive. All, having drunk a bottle of "Tsinandali", came out drunk.


    Something I can't believe that three healthy men got drunk from a bottle of light wine, drunk "for three", even "without a snack".
    IMHO
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 2 November 2020 16: 56
      +4
      Quote: Freeman
      Something I can't believe that three healthy men got drunk from a bottle of light wine, drunk "for three", even "without a snack".

      I was also surprised by this, as well as a glass of brandy that literally knocked Colonel Khrustalev off his feet.
  • Lewww
    Lewww 2 November 2020 15: 36
    +8
    "The first time Stalin went to the Western Front in July 1941, where a powerful Mozhaisk line of defense was being created in the Maloyaroslavl direction ... Having met with the command of the front and the armies ..."
    = = = author, at the end of July ZapF together with the command was in the vicinity of Velikiye Luki, Zap. Dvina, Smolensk. The Mozhaisk line of defense at that time was in the rear.

    "He examined the first belt of the defense line, which ran along the line of Serpukhov, Solnechnogorsk, Zvenigorod," = = = did not pass near these settlements. Mozhaisk line of defense. The author, you cannot mindlessly rewrite other people's stories.

    "In early October 1941, Stalin and Bulganin, accompanied by left at night on the Maloyaroslavskaya and Volokolamskaya line of defense, examined in some places of its fortification. According to the recollections of the chief of security, General Vlasik, a battle between Soviet and German fighters began in one place above their heads. "= = = Air battle at NIGHT !!! belay
    Wow

    “Also, a couple of weeks before the counteroffensive, Stalin traveled to the village of Lupikha on Volokolamsk highway, where the front-line hospital was located.” = = = There are generally only misunderstandings here: a) a couple of weeks before whose counteroffensive, the Wehrmacht or the Red Army, and which one? where is the date? b) why was the outdated name of the village used, which had not been used since the end of the 19th century, when it was renamed Lenino ??? (now Istra district of Moscow region).

    "In mid-November 1941, Stalin went to Rokossovsky's 16th Army to see the Katyusha installation in action." = = = A bike, not Zhukov, not Rokossovsky, they do not mention this undoubtedly significant event in their memoirs.

    Summary: the author conscientiously collected a bunch of tales in his article
  • Kushka
    Kushka 2 November 2020 17: 22
    +4
    When it was getting dark, Stalin entered the house and Serov decided to get some sleep. They woke him up and said that Stalin was calling. He stood in the courtyard and held his hand behind his back, Serov was in civilian clothes and put his hand to the peak of his cap. Stalin said that he should be fined for breaking the form, then he took out a bottle of cognac from behind and poured him shot glass, and said: "Be healthy, Comrade Serov, you did a good job, thank you." Serov flatly refused, as he was responsible for the safety of the leader and could not afford to relax. Stalin insisted and then Serov, seeing not far from the security colonel Khrustalev, suggested: "Here Khrustalev can drink great." Stalin called the colonel, he drank to the bottom, grunted and the incident was settled. When Stalin went to bed, Khrustalev began to be transported, and Serov replaced him at his post.

    And I have to believe that the colonel got sick from a glass of cognac? !!!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 2 November 2020 17: 56
    +3
    The author has an interesting story, but the credibility is questionable.
    Only one visit of Stalin to the front - August 1943 - was documented. There is in Voronov's memoirs, Stalin himself wrote about Cherchel.
    A trip to the front in November 1941 seems dubious to me: Stalin was multifaceted, but HE WASN'T AN IDIOT. And then it turns out that Stalin wanted to see the shooting of the RS and he dropped everything and went to watch. It is reliably known that in the fall of 1941, Stalin had workers, God forbid, and so he leaves everything to look at Katyusha's shots?
    There is a magazine, I don't remember its name, where it was recorded: when Stalin came to the office, whom he called and when. He testifies that Stalin had a very busy schedule, he could hardly leave Moscow for a long time.
    1. Lewww
      Lewww 3 November 2020 00: 00
      +1
      There is a magazine, I don't remember its name
      Journal of visits to Stalin's office
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2020 23: 09
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Dalny V
    Stalin refused to evacuate from it

    The repainted Trotskyists did everything to make the enemy give up near Moscow. Party leaders have already gathered in Moscow, and if Stalin had succumbed to persuasion and left the capital, he would have been immediately removed and capitalism would have come here much earlier ...

    The use of external power to achieve their narrowly party goals is present in the history of all states. Today, color revolutions are much cheaper.

    ps
    Thanks to the author for the article.

    Boris, I certainly respect you for such comments, but you are so ... windy, and ... contradictory .... bully hi
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 3 November 2020 07: 32
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    Very interesting stuff, thanks! I was especially surprised by the carelessness of Stalin's entourage when they set him up with the Katyushas. Didn't anyone know that half an hour after the work of these installations, this place will be a "lunar landscape"? And to expose the life of the leader of the state in this way, to put it mildly - is unreasonable!

    If everything was so conspicuous, then it is quite possible that they did not know simply. And they decided to just show Stalin how it is.
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 3 November 2020 15: 35
    0
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    And comrade artist Aladzhalov in general identified Joseph Vissarionych in an incomprehensible fortress. Incidentally, this daub 1949. half a million worth at auction)

    And the silhouette of the cap subtly resembles the headdress of another leader what
  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 6 November 2020 16: 35
    -1
    Respect to the author .. Informative, especially for young people
  • fluffyduck
    fluffyduck 7 November 2020 09: 31
    0
    Rotten Stalinist fake. Dzhugashvili has never been to the front
    1. tagil
      tagil 7 November 2020 09: 48
      0
      Rotten Stalinist fake. Dzhugashvili has never been to the front
      Will you prove it? Or how can a gentleman take his word for it?
  • EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 17 November 2020 11: 43
    0
    Thanks to the author. Interesting information.
    It is high time to start telling the truth about Stalin and his loyal associates. For more than sixty years, Khrushchev's false version has dominated. It must be completely refuted.
  • border
    border 19 November 2020 16: 33
    0
    [quote = DrEng527] [quote = Doliva63] other Yakovlevs [/ quote]
    the problem is that the same Yakovlev is a front-line soldier, however, like Andropov himself ...
    and the rest are pawns ... [/ quote]
    [Quote]
    Imagine the data on the front-line soldier Yu. Andropov (in which battles and in which sectors of the Soviet-German front he participated, military rank, position - what he commanded)
  • Viktoo Kharitonov
    Viktoo Kharitonov Today, 14: 08
    0
    И в вот такие сказки, кто то верит? Люди, вы что совсем?...