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Russia and Kazakhstan eliminated differences on the "Baiterek" project

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Russia and Kazakhstan eliminated differences on the "Baiterek" project

Russia and Kazakhstan have removed all existing differences and are starting to create the Baiterek space rocket complex at the Baikonur cosmodrome. This was reported by the press service of Roscosmos.


Reportedly, on Saturday, a protocol was signed in Moscow on amendments and additions to the intergovernmental agreement on the creation of the Baiterek space rocket complex at the Baikonur cosmodrome. The document was signed by Dmitry Rogozin, General Director of Roscosmos, and Bagdat Musin, Minister of Digital Development, Innovation and Aerospace Industry of Kazakhstan.

Thus, all previously existing disagreements between the parties were closed, and the Baiterek project entered the stage of practical implementation.

- said in a statement.

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin explained that this agreement implies the construction of a launch complex at Baikonur for the new Russian Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.

If we simply explain the meaning of this event, then I will say this. First, there will be Baikonur! Secondly, this agreement opens the way for flight tests of the newest Russian missile system Soyuz-5, which is capable of creating fierce competition with our leading competitors.

- Rogozin said.

In addition to the main agreement, a contract was also signed for the provision of services for the creation of the Baiterek complex between the Center for the Operation of Ground Space Infrastructure Objects (part of Roskosmos) and the Baiterek Joint Kazakh-Russian Enterprise.

Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles. The first launch from the renovated complex is scheduled for 2023.
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  1. U-58
    U-58 31 October 2020 14: 43
    +9
    It looks like Kazakhstan has settled the financial issue.
    Since the Baikodrome is needed first of all by Russia, we will pay for everything.
    And the second party will gain political points and free funding.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 31 October 2020 14: 51
      +4
      It looks like Kazakhstan has settled the financial issue.
      Since the Baikodrome is needed first of all by Russia, we will pay for everything.
      And the second party will gain political points and free funding.

      And you, of course, competently assert this, having carefully read all the documents signed by the parties beforehand.
      1. lelik613
        lelik613 31 October 2020 15: 36
        +4
        Knowing the talents of our inclusive geniuses ....
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 31 October 2020 15: 52
          -4
          Yes, where are they to you ...
          1. lelik613
            lelik613 31 October 2020 17: 19
            +6
            I didn’t sign payments for Vostochny, I didn’t promise the Turks either ...
            1. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 31 October 2020 18: 25
              +1
              How many bad things have you done)))
    2. Sinugamb
      Sinugamb 31 October 2020 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: U-58
      It looks like Kazakhstan has settled the financial issue.
      Since the Baikodrome is needed first of all by Russia, we will pay for everything.
      And the second party will gain political points and free funding.

      That's right, and this has long been knocking out money from Russia .. Still, Russia still needs Baikonur and had to pay Well, the Kazakhs, they could do it for free, because they owe Russia for the state of Kazakhstan, with all the inheritance of the USSR! There has never been such a country as Kazakhstan.
      As they say, do not do good, you will not get evil .. So with all the "former" negative
      Okay, let's remember EVERYTHING! Look not to choke on money for this Cosmodrome.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 31 October 2020 15: 17
        17
        Quote: Sinugamb
        Well, Kazakhs could do it for free, because they owe Russia for the state of Kazakhstan, with all the inheritance of the USSR!

        With free commitments and no demand! And in the current section of the body of Greater Russia, you need to ask the dividing ones .. It was necessary to defend the interests of the Motherland, and not to drink vodka with Bush-Clinton. I hope it is not necessary to explain who is guilty!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 31 October 2020 15: 31
          17
          In fact. In the budget of Kazakhstan for 2021-2023. pledged for the construction and repair of site No. 45 at Baikonur (Baiterek, the former launch site of the Zenit LV):
          2021 23,2 billion tenge;
          2022 20,8 billion tenge;
          2023 45,1 billion tenge.
          In total, this is about $ 210 million. hi
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 31 October 2020 15: 45
            +1
            Okay. It is easier to beat daddy together.
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 31 October 2020 16: 14
            +4
            Quote: Kasym
            this is somewhere around 210 million dollars

            This is the cost of building one mediocre residential complex in Moscow and the nearest Moscow region. Of those that are commissioned several pieces per year.
            Or the cost of less than a dozen ready-made apartments from a pretentious residential complex in the center of Moscow.
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 31 October 2020 17: 59
              +1
              This is better than nothing.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 31 October 2020 20: 50
                +3
                Quote: Pavel73
                better than nothing

                Nothing is much better than something bad.
          3. The comment was deleted.
        2. Sinugamb
          Sinugamb 31 October 2020 15: 48
          -2
          Quote: 30 vis
          With free commitments and no demand! And in the current section of the body of Greater Russia, you need to ask the dividing ones .. It was necessary to defend the interests of the Motherland, and not to drink vodka with Bush-Clinton. I hope it is not necessary to explain who is guilty!

          Yes, you do not need .. Himself angry at these Judas! angry
          It's a shame that Russia is being milked again, all and sundry. And we all endure, how not to offend anyone
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 31 October 2020 16: 19
            +2
            Quote: Sinugamb
            And we all endure

            It's just that some people really loved building and not very much - sending rockets into space
        3. Charik
          Charik 31 October 2020 15: 52
          0
          bush-clinton just did not drink vodka at the post, but rather drunk others
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 31 October 2020 15: 38
        +5
        Quote: Sinugamb
        Okay, let's remember EVERYTHING!

        Well, that "mikhan" showed up ...! what, with "Zen" and kicked out? wassat
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 31 October 2020 15: 44
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: Sinugamb
          Okay, let's remember EVERYTHING!

          Well, that "mikhan" showed up ...! what, with "Zen" and kicked out? wassat

          "Meehan" is alive! To be honest, it's boring without him .. nerves twists, adrenaline raises ... Let it be!
      3. 210ox
        210ox 31 October 2020 18: 27
        +4
        In the sense, remember? Yes, washed down with water! And the vanished GDR, and the promise not to spread NATO to the east, and a bunch of lard Yanukovych2 and dozens of others. Some kind of bzdik-and Unions have nowhere to start. And what about "Eastern"? No, huh?
      4. bayard
        bayard 1 November 2020 05: 47
        +2
        Quote: Sinugamb
        Everything is true and this has been knocking money out of Russia for a long time

        Have you read the article?
        Ground infrastructure "Baiterek" is financed by Kazakhstan!
        Russia is responsible for the creation of the Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 missiles themselves, which will be launched from the East and Sea Launch if they come to life and survive.
        If Kazakhstan did not go to finance, then Baikonur would remain useless to anyone. Well, except that manned launches from the Gagarin launch. And even then not for long. "Vostochny" was killing Baikonur and the Kazakhs decided to save it with this project. This is their initiative. Earnings on launches will be in accordance with the share of participation.
        But now this project will take away part of the starts from Vostochny ... What can't you do for the Kazakhs ...
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 31 October 2020 17: 19
      +6
      Quote: U-58
      It looks like Kazakhstan has settled the financial issue.
      Since the Baikodrome is needed first of all by Russia, we will pay for everything.

      Knowing the question (I was on business trips in Leninsk and Tyuratam), I always ask one question: "What does Kazakhstan have to do with (independent, sovereign, independent, with two thousand years of Kazakh statehood, and so on and so forth ..) to Baikonur? "God forbid, one Kazakh will arrive in a dump truck, bring concrete. Per day. We built it, we kept it for so many years - and Kazakhstan, independent without Russia, needs Baikonur only to pass it to non-ferrous metal. The entire independent economy will last for three years - we have not forgotten how the Kazakhs in the 90s pulled communication cables with tractors from the ground to non-ferrous metal ...

      From the border of Russia, a corridor to Leninsk with a width of 150 kilometers and all sites on the steppe should be declared the territory of Russia and the question of payment is closed for no reason to the parasites..

      Under the Soviet Union, Leninsk was a regime city and there was NOT a single Kazakh in it - you could walk around Leninsk all day and not meet a Kazakh. They launched the marauders - now they do not know where to go from them. They pay, damn it, marauders, so as not to loot too much.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 31 October 2020 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Kazakhstan (independent, sovereign, self-reliant, with two thousand years of Kazakh statehood, and so on and so forth ..)

        2nd thousand years ....? Fragment of the map of the Russian Empire 1914,
        where is he ?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 31 October 2020 20: 33
          +3
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Kazakhstan (independent, sovereign, self-reliant, with two thousand years of Kazakh statehood, and so on and so forth ..)

          2nd thousand years ....? Fragment of the map of the Russian Empire 1914,
          where is he ?
          Ask the Kazakhs ... laughing Celebrated the "2000th anniversary of Kazakh statehood" at the state level ... Probably, Kazakh historians know something that no one else's historians know. Even Ukrainian - although it seemed that nobody could change their minds. The Kazakhs did it.
    4. orionvitt
      orionvitt 31 October 2020 17: 35
      +6
      Quote: U-58
      Since the Baikodrome is needed primarily by Russia

      Not primarily, but only Russia.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 31 October 2020 20: 38
        +4
        Quote: orionvitt
        Quote: U-58
        Since the Baikodrome is needed primarily by Russia

        Not primarily, but only Russia.

        Kazakhs also need it. Tsvetmet-ferrousmet - five annual budgets of Kazakhstan. So, offhand. Maybe more - who counted the billions poured from the UNION budget? We have hardworking peasants in the Union in Leninsk in three months "Moskvich" bought - despite the fact that they themselves need to eat something and go home, to their families, send something.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 31 October 2020 23: 08
        +3
        Quote: orionvitt
        Quote: U-58
        Since the Baikodrome is needed primarily by Russia

        Not primarily, but only Russia.

        Are you hinting that the stinking yurt of Kazakh is a hundred times nicer than the dusty paths of distant planets !? wink
        1. U-58
          U-58 1 November 2020 08: 49
          +1
          Yes, and I am pleasantly surprised by your knowledge of my previous posts ..
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 1 November 2020 12: 38
            +4
            Quote: U-58
            Yes, and I am pleasantly surprised by your knowledge of my previous posts ..

            hi We are ... forever!
    5. deniso
      deniso 31 October 2020 20: 11
      0
      This Bayterek has been worn since 2004. That under the Angara, then under the Zenith, now under the Soyuz-5. Our grandmothers are now throwing money in there, and they have some kind of color revolution suddenly happen, and truncated ... as usual ...
    6. Terenin
      Terenin 31 October 2020 22: 47
      +4
      Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin explained ...
      Rogozin, a honey mask suits your face, and for heaven's sake, winked do not open your mouth and, as always, do not blab too much ...
  2. Avior
    Avior 31 October 2020 14: 43
    17
    The new cosmodrome wasn’t built to replace Baikonur?
    And now, it turns out, Baikonur is being modernized.
    And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 31 October 2020 14: 46
      -3
      Gradually, all launches will be transferred to a new one. They are already building a second start there. But let’s not forget the old cosmodrome.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 31 October 2020 14: 48
      +7
      And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?

      And what do you think? laughing
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        And what do you think?

        I could be wrong, but in my opinion every tenth ruble is stolen there, no?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 31 October 2020 15: 36
          -1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And what do you think?

          I could be wrong, but in my opinion every tenth ruble is stolen there, no?

          Every tenth that is proven .. and how much has not yet been proven and found? What about contractors? Contractors honestly steal, they just increase the markup ..
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 15: 48
            0
            hi
            Quote: Svarog
            Every tenth that is proven .. and how much has not yet been proven and found? What about contractors? Contractors honestly steal, they just increase the markup ..

            Not in the know, who was planted there? And how much, I did not follow this.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 31 October 2020 16: 13
              0
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              hi
              Quote: Svarog
              Every tenth that is proven .. and how much has not yet been proven and found? What about contractors? Contractors honestly steal, they just increase the markup ..

              Not in the know, who was planted there? And how much, I did not follow this.

              https://tass.ru/info/7101906
              There are no large fish ... so the switchmen
            2. Alex 2020
              Alex 2020 31 October 2020 17: 12
              +2
              The trifle was planted as usual. And those who stole on a large scale, left for the cordon or went to the promotion.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 31 October 2020 15: 56
          +5
          Eh, if only the tenth ... request
    3. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 31 October 2020 14: 54
      +5
      And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?

      In order not to be left without a cosmodrome if something happens. Well, so that the partner was more accommodating. Again, the construction of such an object is always a plus for the economy.
      1. Avior
        Avior 31 October 2020 16: 23
        +1
        According to your logic, it is necessary to put spaceports on stream, if this is a plus for the economy.
        And there will be spare ones at the same time.
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 31 October 2020 16: 35
          +4
          For the economy and without spaceports, the necessary infrastructure facilities that need to be built are enough. And about logic - no need to change the thesis hi
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 November 2020 01: 38
            +2
            No substitution.
            ... the construction of such an object is always a plus for the economy

            Your words?
            If this is always a plus, then you need to build the next one, according to your logic, because this is always a plus.
            In fact, a plus is if it is used with full dedication.
            And if you spread the launches on two cosmodromes, then the full impact will not come close.
            Building for the sake of building in itself is a plus for specific contractors and a minus for the economy as a whole.
            1. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 1 November 2020 08: 33
              0
              Everything that the economy produces ends up in the landfill, or in other words, the environment pollutes. Of course, if the object is used, it is an additional benefit. But even it is simply built - this is already a plus for the economy.
              Take defense, for example. According to your logic, it should generate net losses for the economy, and this is far from the case.
              1. Avior
                Avior 1 November 2020 10: 17
                +2
                Well, you see, I wrote that, according to your logic, the more spaceports needed to be built, the better, and you were embarrassed to admit it at first. But the kind that have now recognized themselves.
                I will not dissuade you, I see no point.
                1. Hwostatij
                  Hwostatij 1 November 2020 11: 37
                  0
                  I repeat again:
                  For the economy and without spaceports, the necessary infrastructure facilities that need to and can be built are enough.

                  And about
                  I will not dissuade you, I see no point.
                  - or maybe arguments?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 1 November 2020 11: 42
                    +2
                    What arguments do you have if your view changes from post to post.
                    You write that, in any case, the benefits of the economy, then you write that you need to build something else.
                    If it’s useful, then you give the spaceports to build, if the return from them in your worldview does not matter.
                    1. Hwostatij
                      Hwostatij 1 November 2020 15: 46
                      0
                      I realized that you are not a reader, you are a writer.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 1 November 2020 15: 58
                        +2
                        I read you carefully.
                        And you are not yourself.
                        Or are you just twisting
                        Well, well, success
                      2. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 1 November 2020 16: 08
                        0
                        Good,
                        You write that, in any case, the benefits of the economy, then you write that you need to build something else.

                        Where is the contradiction here?
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 November 2020 01: 05
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        According to your logic, it is necessary to put spaceports on stream, if this is a plus for the economy.
        And there will be spare ones at the same time.

        But if Mr. Rogozin were allowed to build that phallus (the alleged headquarters of Roscosmos), which he has been dreaming about for years, then he would not have to master the "space" money in a foreign land, they would have done quite well at home. And so, nothing can be done. Well, it’s not so much money to go to space, really?
  3. U-58
    U-58 31 October 2020 15: 15
    +4
    They built and are building.
    But manned Soyuz can be launched only from the Baikodrom cosmonur and Protons only from there.
    1. Avior
      Avior 31 October 2020 16: 24
      +1
      ... from cosmonur Baikodrom

      Ochepyatka or is it in Kazakh? laughing
      1. U-58
        U-58 31 October 2020 16: 38
        +3
        These cool stuff for lunch is 100 years old))))
  4. Grandfather
    Grandfather 31 October 2020 15: 39
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    The new cosmodrome wasn’t built to replace Baikonur?
    And now, it turns out, Baikonur is being modernized.
    And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?

    oh what a good question ... The money would probably be enough for the "lunar program" drank. huh cho ...
  5. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 31 October 2020 18: 22
    -1
    "They themselves do not know what they want" ... (c)
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 04: 20
    -2
    Quote: Avior
    And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?

    Not the fact that they were thrown into the cosmodrome, and not on their own pocket.
    Quote: Hwostatij
    Again, the construction of such an object is always a plus for the economy.

    The construction of such an object is the clearest example of rampant corruption in the country, the toothlessness and incompetence of the leadership of Roscosmos in particular. And for the Russian economy this is a blow "in the gut" ... yes
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    But if Mr. Rogozin were allowed to build that phallus (the alleged headquarters of Roscosmos), which he has been dreaming about for years, then he would not have to master the "space" money in a foreign land, they would have done quite well at home.

    But no one forbade him to put this "phallus" on the development of Russian cosmonautics. With what attention the Lilliputian steps of Rogozin in this direction are being followed! fellow It's amazing how Kazakhstan did not overtake Russia in the number of missile launches ... belay
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 31 October 2020 14: 55
    0
    recourse
    RIA TASS *:
    "The new Russian medium-class carrier rocket, developed as part of the Phoenix development work, and intended, in particular, to launch the manned Federation spacecraft, will be named Soyuz-5," a source in the rocket and space industry told TASS "The proposal of the Progress RCC to name the new rocket Soyuz-5 has been approved," said the agency's interlocutor. This decision was made during a meeting on the development of the rocket and space industry held last week. Roscosmos did not comment on this information... As previously reported, the new medium rocket will be used to launch the Federation manned spacecraft instead of the Angara-A5P... The first launch of Soyuz-5 is scheduled for 2021. The first manned launch is scheduled for 2022. The idea of ​​creating a new monoblock two-stage carrier rocket "Soyuz-5", which would occupy a niche between the missiles "Soyuz" and "Zenith", belongs to the RCC "Progress". The batch scheme for combining assumed the creation of a family of missiles - from light (capable of launching into low orbit three tons of payload from the Vostochny cosmodrome) up to heavy (26 tons of payload)... It was originally intended to use liquefied natural gas as fuel. In 2014, the Scientific and Technical Council of Roscosmos and TsNIIMash specialists compared this proposal with the scheme for creating an analogue of the Zenit launch vehicle, the production of which had already been suspended in Ukraine at that time. As a result, the second option was chosen for implementation. "

    "For the consumer - the customer of launch services, the Soyuz-5 rocket differs from the Soyuz-2, first of all, in its payload. The medium-class launch vehicle Soyuz-2 launches about 8 tons into low-earth orbit depending on the launch site. Soyuz-5 is also a medium-class carrier, but into the same orbit, for example, from the Baikonur cosmodrome, it will launch 17 tons. Thus, the performance of the new vehicle is more than twice as good in terms of payload weight. "

    "It should be especially noted that according to the project, the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle will use engines with the world's best characteristics in terms of specific thrust impulse. The main engine of the first stage RD-171 MV developed by the Academician Energomash Research and Production Association VP Glushko and RD-0124MS developed by the Voronezh Design Bureau of Chemical Automatics (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) provide the second best performance on the oxygen-naphthyl fuel vapor. "

    "The Soyuz-5 launch vehicle can be operated at different cosmodromes. So far, launches are planned from the complex at Baikonur within the framework of the Russian-Kazakh project "Baiterek". But Soyuz-5 will be able to launch from any cosmodrome - from Vostochny and Sea Launch - provided that the appropriate ground infrastructure is created: a technical position and a launch complex."


    * This is "Our media reports".

    Question: is our Vostochny cosmodrome ready for launches of Soyuz-5 or Angara? Adequate ground infrastructure has been created: technical position and launch complex? How much payload will actually be put into orbit?


    The RD-171MV engine is a modernized version of the Russian RD-171M engine (a modification of the Soviet RD-170 engine), which differs from the prototype by a new control system that excludes the use of imported components, as well as a number of technological and design solutions worked out during the operation of RD-180 engines, RD-191 (for example, additional measures were taken to protect against fire). There will be no fundamental differences from the original engine in terms of hydraulic and gas-dynamic parts.

    In 1993, according to the Technical Assignment of the State Research and Development Space Center “TsSKB-Progress” (now the RCC “Progress”) and the contract with the Russian Space Agency, work began on the creation of the RD-0124 main engine of the third stage of the modernized Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.
    A feature of this engine is its start-up without preliminary cooling of the structure and cavities of the cryogenic component - liquid oxygen, which is especially important for engines with multiple start-ups.
    In 2006, the first flight tests took place as part of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle.
    By the end of 2015, 28 flights of Soyuz-2.1b, Soyuz-STB and Soyuz-2.1v LVs with RD-0124 LPRE were performed.
    In 1998 KBKhA according to TZ KB "Salyut" developed a technical design of the RD-0124A engine for the "Angara" launch vehicle.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 31 October 2020 15: 28
      0
      There is no launch complex for Soyuz-5 on Vostochny. There is only for Soyuz-2 and Angara. "Angara" will start for the second time this year from Vostochny. About the load - it is still unclear there, apparently - no more than "Proton".
      1. ultra
        ultra 31 October 2020 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        There is only for Soyuz-2 and Angara.

        There is no "table" for the Angara.
    2. slipped
      slipped 31 October 2020 21: 45
      +1
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Question: is our Vostochny cosmodrome ready for launches of Soyuz-5 or Angara?


      Answer:

      The Angara launch vehicle flies from Vostochny in 2023 from the USK 1A of the Amur space rocket complex, which is being built within the framework of the so-called. the "second stage" of the construction of the cosmodrome.

      The launch of the Soyuz-5 LV is possible with the USK STK, the construction of which will begin as part of the "third stage" after 2023.

      Quote: Lynx2000
      Adequate ground infrastructure has been created: technical position and launch complex?


      The technical position for the "Angara" launch vehicle within the first stage was combined with the technical position for the "Soyuz-2" launch vehicle. MIK STK will be used in the future. The rest of the infrastructure of the Amur universal launch complex is currently under construction.



      Quote: Lynx2000
      How much payload will actually be put into orbit?


      KRK "Angara" consists of carriers of light, heavy and super heavy classes:
      LV "Angara-1.2" ~ 3,8 tons for LEO
      LV "Angara-5" ~ 24,5 tons per LEO
      LV "Angara-5P (M)" ~ 27 tons of LEO
      LV "Angara-5V" ~ 38 tons at LEO

      The Soyuz-5 spacecraft uses medium-class carriers:
      LV "Soyuz-5" ~ 18 tons at LEO
      LV "Soyuz-6" ~ 9 tons at LEO
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 31 October 2020 15: 00
    0
    Russia and Kazakhstan eliminated differences on the "Baiterek" project
    Well, at least not a skyscraper in Moscow in the form of a rocket! laughingAnd that's already good. Although what is good in our time, and what is not, the devil will break his leg. But the main thing is money.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 31 October 2020 15: 11
    -1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    And why so much money was thrown into the new one then?

    And what do you think? laughing

    We think, to cut the budget money. There, on the "Vostochny" theft is exactly cosmic, the work of the prosecutor's office and the investigating authorities, for several years. Although it is possible, on command "from above" to curtail the investigation, forgive and forget.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 31 October 2020 15: 28
    0
    Can someone explain to me these dances with cosmodromes on foreign territory also in Kazakhstan? Why is it impossible to wash or buy an island somewhere near the equator and get profit in everything. The French in Guiana built a cosmodrome and from there, even together with Roskosmos, they made launches and received a profit by 1.5 times in payload.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 31 October 2020 15: 34
      +1
      Well, kakbe to wash up the island is kapets how expensive, but they are quite working on a sea launch from the platform. Yandex to help, if that ...
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 31 October 2020 15: 38
        0
        For a couple of lyams you can buy a decent island, but it is durable and does not depend on politics
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 31 October 2020 15: 46
          +1
          An island on which a spaceport can be built in a couple of lamas? Of course, I am very far from the question, but like this, questions arise right off the bat: mooring of large-tonnage ships to the island, jurisdiction (or are you going to raise the Russian flag there?), Power supply and other communications ...
          I don't think it's that simple.
      2. Avior
        Avior 31 October 2020 16: 29
        -3
        With the Sea Launch, private traders were thrown.
        They promised not to interfere with joint work with Yuzhmash on Zenit and not to raise prices for parking in the port.
        They threw on both counts.
        Worth, the ass dries for a lot of money from private traders.
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 31 October 2020 16: 43
          +2
          With the Sea Launch, private traders were thrown.

          Private traders in the Russian space industry? I doubt it. Our economy is 80 percent state-owned, and 100 percent in strategic sectors. More like a tug of war under a blanket.
          1. Avior
            Avior 31 October 2020 17: 47
            0
            Correctly doubt it.
            The attempt was
            ... S7 Space is the first private company in Russia to provide a full range of spacecraft launch services. The company manages the unique Sea Launch rocket and space complex - a floating cosmodrome that allows launching space rockets from the water area of ​​the World Ocean into near-earth orbits. The company is part of the S7 Group holding.

            But they were quickly tapped on their fingers.
            hi
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 2 November 2020 11: 53
          0
          Quote: Avior
          With the Sea Launch, private traders were thrown.
          They promised not to interfere with joint work with Yuzhmash on Zenit and not to raise prices for parking in the port.
          Threw on both counts.
          Worth, the ass dries for a lot of money from private traders.

          ===
          thrown? read that they were denied a loan and co-financing
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 November 2020 12: 26
            +1
            They banned cooperation with the Ukrainian Yuzhmash on Zenit.
            There was already an order, the missiles were being prepared, they were partially paid. But the government banned Russian enterprises from contacts with Yuzhmash, and there are many Russian components there.
            The price of the Sea Launch anchorage in the Russian port was sharply raised, although they promised not to do so.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 2 November 2020 12: 38
              0
              Quote: Avior
              They banned cooperation with the Ukrainian Yuzhmash on Zenit.
              There was already an order, the missiles were being prepared, they were partially paid. But the government banned Russian enterprises from contacts with Yuzhmash, and there are many Russian components there.

              ===
              and when was there an agreement / promise? if before the age of 15, then force majeure enters, Ukraine is "at war" with the Russian Federation.

              Quote: Avior
              The price of the Sea Launch anchorage in the Russian port was sharply raised, although they promised not to do so.

              ===
              I doubt it. and who promised, the owner of the port? or whoever had to compensate the port?
              1. Avior
                Avior 2 November 2020 13: 05
                0
                I don't know who promised
                but according to the owner of Sea Launch, there was such a promise.
                At what stage is the Sea Launch project?

                - We delivered the complex to Vladivostok, delivered the command ship and the launch platform. Today we do not have the opportunity to do something, so we have frozen the program until better times. True, when we agreed on the transportation of the complex to Russia, I was told that the conditions for placement would be no worse than in America ... It did not happen: from a financial point of view, it is twice as bad.

                - What are you paying for?

                - For port infrastructure and parking.

                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4328432

                The government promised not to interfere with contacts with Ukraine. But they were not allowed.

                The Russian company S7 Space, which owns the Sea Launch (Sea Launch) floating spaceport, suspended the contract for the production of 12 Zenit 3SL Ukrainian launch vehicles. About this agency RIA Novosti told a source in the rocket and space industry in Russia.

                According to him, the leadership of S7 Space informed the Ukrainian enterprise Yuzhmash about the suspension and the planned termination of the contract.

                Information about the planned termination of the agreement was confirmed by a source in S7 Space. He said that in April the production of rockets will be frozen at the current level.

                Yuzhmash did not comment on the media request. S7 reported on the current contract, but refused to talk about its prospects.

                The contract for 12 Zenits between S7 Sea Launch Limited and Yuzhmash was signed on April 28, 2017. The first two missiles were to be manufactured in 2018-2019. The agency found out that the Ukrainian side has already received part of the total amount for its work - about $ 30 million

                In March 2019, the order for Ukrainian Zenit launch vehicles was canceled, as S7 Space failed to agree on the delivery of critical elements for the production of missiles from Russia to Ukraine. [37]

                hi
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 31 October 2020 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Rubi0
      Someone can explain to me these dances with cosmodromes

      not ... no one will say a word ... the vow of silence has sealed their mouth forever ... wassat
  • Charik
    Charik 31 October 2020 15: 50
    -3
    The first launch from the renovated complex is scheduled for 2023.-promise-promise-promise
  • askort154
    askort154 31 October 2020 16: 04
    +3
    Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles.

    Prior to that, Russia paid 115 billion dollars for rent. annually (agreement of 1994) and full maintenance of the infrastructure of the city of Baikonur with a population of 70 thousand people. In total, since 1994 it has accumulated = 2,6 billion dollars. Now Kazakhstan will pay for the infrastructure.
    1. cniza
      cniza 31 October 2020 16: 36
      +3
      Quote: askort154
      Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles.

      Prior to that, Russia paid 115 billion dollars for rent. annually (agreement of 1994).


      Do you think it's expensive?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 31 October 2020 22: 55
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: askort154
        Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles.

        Prior to that, Russia paid 115 billion dollars for rent. annually (agreement of 1994).


        Do you think it's expensive?

        It is known that Russia does not plan to abandon the Baikonur cosmodrome until at least 2030.
    2. Avior
      Avior 31 October 2020 17: 57
      +1
      Yes, a lot of money.
      But much cheaper than building a new spaceport.
      ... The Russian government will allocate an additional 5,8 billion rubles for the completion of the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Amur Region, Interfax reports with reference to the draft federal budget. Thus, the total cost of the project, the construction of which began eight years ago, will exceed 300 billion.

      But the cost of maintaining a new cosmodrome
      ... Moscow. January 23. INTERFAX - The cost of maintaining the Vostochny cosmodrome for the year has grown by 350 million rubles, follows from the data of the analytical system SPARK-Marketing.
      According to the system, 2020 billion rubles have been allocated for "the maintenance of ground space infrastructure facilities and the maintenance of the functioning of the supporting infrastructure of the Vostochny cosmodrome in 3,052".

      And the launches are going to continue all the same from Baikanur ...
      1. slipped
        slipped 31 October 2020 21: 51
        0
        Quote: Avior
        And the launches are going to continue all the same from Baikanur ...


        The launches will be from both spaceports. In the future, launches under international programs from the Nazarbayevsky Start and Gagarin Start sites will remain at Baikonur.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 31 October 2020 16: 10
    0
    Indeed, why do we need rockets and satellites, space technologies and other incomprehensible things, if budgets are much more calmly assimilated on the good old, completely earthly construction site?
  • iouris
    iouris 31 October 2020 16: 23
    0
    The mountain man gave birth to a mouse.
  • cniza
    cniza 31 October 2020 16: 35
    0
    Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles. The first launch from the renovated complex is scheduled for 2023.


    It seems that everything is being done correctly, but somewhere in the subconscious a thought arises - we again fall into dependence ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 31 October 2020 23: 13
      +4
      Quote: cniza
      Within the framework of this project, Kazakhstan is responsible for the ground infrastructure, while Russia is responsible for the creation of Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 launch vehicles. The first launch from the renovated complex is scheduled for 2023.


      It seems that everything is being done correctly, but somewhere in the subconscious a thought arises - we again fall into dependence ...

      hi I welcome you.
      I agree that so far we have been able to reach an agreement with Kazakhstan on most issues. But some time ago we had no doubts in Ukraine either. Therefore, friendship is friendship, and you need to have your own cosmodrome.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 31 October 2020 17: 05
    +4
    First, there will be Baikonur!

    There will be no longer the Baikonur where he served in the 80s. I watched pictures from space, most of the sites are in ruins. am
  • Naughty
    Naughty 31 October 2020 17: 37
    +1
    Quote: Sinugamb
    Quote: U-58
    It looks like Kazakhstan has settled the financial issue.
    Since the Baikodrome is needed first of all by Russia, we will pay for everything.
    And the second party will gain political points and free funding.

    That's right, and this has long been knocking out money from Russia .. Still, Russia still needs Baikonur and had to pay Well, the Kazakhs, they could do it for free, because they owe Russia for the state of Kazakhstan, with all the inheritance of the USSR! There has never been such a country as Kazakhstan.
    As they say, do not do good, you will not get evil .. So with all the "former" negative
    Okay, let's remember EVERYTHING! Look not to choke on money for this Cosmodrome.


    Yes, no one will politicize anywhere And they will not build anything These are Kazakh show-offs for the Kazakh people No more than that They are a space power So it is necessary to do something like move forward NO Kazakhs have tenge and dollars for this Russia pledged to make a rocket and build and pay This complex is necessary for the Kazakhs. Do they need it in reality? Of course not
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 31 October 2020 19: 38
    15
    Some kind of dispersion of resources. Baikonur, Vostochny, Sea Launch are being prepared for Soyuz-5. I would not be surprised if the Kuru is swung fool
  • KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 31 October 2020 21: 35
    0
    A great achievement. And how weak is it to take Tempest from Baikonur to Russia, and Rogozin?
  • Maki maki
    Maki maki 1 November 2020 00: 12
    16
    Kazakhstan does not want to lose its status as a space power.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 November 2020 01: 56
    -2
    Russia and Kazakhstan have removed all existing differences and are starting to create the Baiterek space rocket complex at the Baikonur cosmodrome.

    And what is the benefit of the Russian Federation?
    Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin explained that this agreement implies the construction of a launch complex at Baikonur for the new Russian Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.

    And in the Russian Federation, such a launch complex was built
    for the new Russian launch vehicle "Soyuz-5"
    [quote] [/ quote]? If not, then why build it in Kazakhstan and not in the Russian Federation?
  • aries2200
    aries2200 1 November 2020 02: 50
    0
    and why then money is thrown into the Vostochny cosmodrome ????
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 1 November 2020 11: 11
    -2
    Rogozin explained that the agreement implies the construction of a launch complex at Baikonur for the new Russian carrier rocket Soyuz-5.

    Why not build in your new Vostochny cosmodrome? Why on the territory of another country? Sanctions, betrayals, multi-vector policy and coups d'etat have not taught Moscow strategists anything?
  • Disant
    Disant 1 November 2020 11: 21
    0
    what is not clear then?
    Soyuz-5 is a rocket military appointments - for the withdrawal of the inspectors' anti-satellites, for a sharp build-up of the military satellite constellation at the time of Ch.
    This is our new sausage house for one standard like Calibers.
    It (the rocket) must confidently launch at once, several pieces a day from each - from Vostochny, Baikonur and Sea Launch.
    no islands fit here - at the time of use as intended communications will be cut. The sea launch will be under cover in the terrain waters, Baikonur and Vostochny will simultaneously duplicate each other in case of damage.
  • monster
    monster 1 November 2020 11: 26
    -1
    Why is the "boar" on the right shaking hands, and not in a pre-trial detention center with a trunk ??
    1. Disant
      Disant 1 November 2020 11: 41
      0
      Why is the "boar" on the right shaking hands, and not in a pre-trial detention center with a trunk ??

      do you have any questions? present.
  • times
    times 1 November 2020 20: 56
    17
    Kazakhstan is doing well - the main costs are borne by Russia.