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Russia completes the creation of a number of the latest high-precision missile systems

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Russia completes the creation of a number of the latest high-precision missile systems

A number of high-precision missile systems will appear in Russia after the strategic hypersonic complex Avangard, the development of which is already being completed. This was stated by the head of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) Boris Obnosov.


Answering questions from journalists at the opening ceremony of the renewed department "aviation robotic systems "of the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI), Obnosov noted that KTRV is involved in all projects to create advanced weapons. According to him, new high-precision missile systems are on the way, which he cannot tell about due to secrecy.

Recently we congratulated Herbert Alexandrovich Efremov on the country's highest award, honorary general director of NPO Mashinostroyenia, where he said that he had created the last most powerful complex "Avangard". A number of complexes are on the way

- he added.

Note that last year, the head of the Russian military department Sergei Shoigu said that in response to the US withdrawal from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty), Russia would develop several missile systems, including a land-based version of the Kalibr cruise missile with an increased range, and also a long-range ground complex with a hypersonic missile.

At the end of last year, the first regiment, which adopted the newest strategic missile system with the Avangard hypersonic gliding winged warhead, took up combat duty. At present, the infrastructure is being prepared for the deployment of two more ICBMs with the Avangard.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 October 2020 16: 42
    32
    More rockets!
    Good and DIFFERENT!

    It's sad ...
    But, alas, this is a stern necessity, for the Americans have naturally "ripped off the lid"!
    They just got sick!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 16: 48
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: Victor_B
      But, alas, this is a stern necessity, for the Americans have naturally "ripped off the lid"!

      New "arms race". With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.
      1. Borik
        Borik 30 October 2020 17: 02
        +8
        New "arms race". With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.



        Let's hope we don't overstrain. And we will build cheap but the best missiles in the world, and our other weapons are much cheaper than the US ones.
        1. Alesi13
          Alesi13 30 October 2020 17: 16
          -19 qualifying.
          Why is it cheaper? Is it because we are underpaid?
          1. Borik
            Borik 30 October 2020 17: 26
            -1
            Alesi
            13 (Valery)
            Today, 17: 16

            0
            Why is it cheaper? Is it because we are underpaid?

            And that too. And the prices for all components are lower. This means that the finished product is also cheaper.
            1. Alesi13
              Alesi13 30 October 2020 18: 11
              -5
              Yes, not this, too, namely this, prices for components, low, then why
              1. Ua3qhp
                Ua3qhp 30 October 2020 21: 50
                0
                Because they are also underpaid there.
          2. vVvAD
            vVvAD 30 October 2020 19: 40
            +3
            No - because we are ABLEsoldier
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 19: 46
              -13 qualifying.
              Quote: vVvAD
              No - because we are ABLE

              I don't care what stupidity I wrote, the main thing is in the helmet. That children are small. What can we do for free?
              1. pipetro
                pipetro 30 October 2020 20: 05
                +2
                For me, you write such nonsense. Do you want Russia to calm down and give the United States an opportunity to level the gap or somehow protect itself from our new weapons? Isn't that nonsense?
                1. Alesi13
                  Alesi13 30 October 2020 20: 13
                  -7
                  And what does Russia have to do with wages? Your stupidity
                2. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 20: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: pipetro
                  For me, you write such nonsense. Do you want Russia to calm down and give the United States an opportunity to level the gap or somehow protect itself from our new weapons? Isn't that nonsense?

                  And here is it? I am only talking about the need to build a normal economy. You can't make much money on "oil" money. It is good that Russia is making new missiles, but how many missiles will there be enough money in the budget for? It is necessary to raise the economy and build factories not only related to the sale of minerals. Otherwise, the ending will be bad.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 31 October 2020 10: 40
                    +4
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    We need to raise the economy and build factories

                    And they are being built. And for your information, raising the economy is not building factories.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    not only related to the sale of minerals

                    )))) That is, there is no need to build factories, for example, petrochemicals? Machine-building plants, for example, for the production of mining and metallurgical equipment are also not needed?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 10: 49
                      0
                      Quote: CSKA
                      And they are being built. And for your information, raising the economy is not building factories.

                      I am ashamed to ask, what is it? We don't build factories, but the economy is growing, than with prayers?
                      Quote: CSKA
                      not only related to the sale of minerals

                      )))) That is, there is no need to build factories, for example, petrochemicals? Machine-building plants, for example, for the production of mining and metallurgical equipment are also not needed?

                      No need to juggle. Keyword NOT ONLY.
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA 31 October 2020 11: 55
                        +5
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I am ashamed to ask, what is it? We don't build factories, but the economy is growing, than with prayers?

                        )))) So your level of knowledge in economics is immediately visible. Do you even think that in Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, factories are stamped without interruption, so the economy was growing before the pandemic? Economic growth is GDP growth. In all economically developed countries, most of the GDP structure is the service sector. And this is a very broad spectrum. IT is developing very rapidly now. Soon in terms of export money, Defense will catch up. Of course, production also needs to be developed, which is being done. Modernization is carried out constantly. Especially, for example, this can be seen at the refinery. The market itself will show the need to build factories. You don't just need to stamp them. And they should be built not at the expense of the state, but at the expense of private investors. What is being done.
                        If now the state takes it and suddenly it is not clear why it will throw billions into the construction of 20 metallurgical plants. Who needs it? For what? The world steel market is saturated. There is no need for these factories. Or should the state build a shipyard? It is needed in the Far East and is being built. You can certainly build 5 more of these, but why? Do you have such a volume of orders? The same applies to aviation. And also find and train specialists, and not just build a plant.
                        Therefore, every month small manufacturing plants are opened, producing goods in various industries with high added value.
                        For example, 13 production facilities were opened in August, including 4 large ones, with investments of more than a billion rubles.
                        Mechanical engineering and metalworking - 6
                        Electronics and electrical engineering - 1
                        Textile industry - 1
                        Woodworking industry - 2
                        Other - 2
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 17: 01
                        -2
                        Quote: CSKA
                        So your level is immediately visible ...

                        The meaning of your comment can be reduced to the following: the market will decide everything and
                        we develop the service sector. You have an extremely poor worldview. I understand when Gref or Chubais say such things to me on TV, but how does this coincide with your interests? Or do you naively believe that with time you will become the new Potanin or Deripaska? This will not happen if you strain, you yourself think out why. Lenin's "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism" has not lost its relevance so far.
                      3. Volder
                        Volder 1 November 2020 08: 49
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The meaning of your comment can be summarized as follows: the market will solve everything and develop the service sector. You have an extremely wretched worldview.
                        Tell this to Western countries - there, too, the market decides everything. Or are you a hardened communist and want the return of the USSR-2.0 with a planned (ruinous and overstrained) economy?
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 1 November 2020 11: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Volder
                        with a planned (ruinous and overstrained) economy?

                        Tell the Chinese.
                      5. CSKA
                        CSKA 2 November 2020 14: 17
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Tell the Chinese.

                        ))))) What can I tell them? You at least the communists would have read what a planned economy is before talking about it here. Only Cuba and the DPRK were left with fully planned economies.
                      6. Volder
                        Volder 2 November 2020 21: 09
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Tell the Chinese.
                        About the Chinese economy: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2959861.html
                      7. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 4 November 2020 10: 51
                        0
                        In China, 2/3 of the industry is private. The state holds
                        energy, resources and part of the military-industrial complex.
                        All high-tech, electronics, mechanical engineering are private.
                  2. CSKA
                    CSKA 2 November 2020 14: 12
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    The meaning of your comment can be reduced to the following: the market will decide everything and
                    we develop the service sector.

                    It is the market that decides everything. It makes no sense to build factories anyhow, and it doesn't matter if they are needed or not. Whether there is a demand for these products or not.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Your worldview is extremely poor

                    You have poor knowledge of economics. You are talking nonsense that economic growth is the construction of factories. And then what is the reason for the growth of the economy of Hong Kong, Japan or Germany? Do you think they build factories without interruption? You can't even answer such simple questions and therefore carry this nonsense:
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    I understand when Gref or Chubais say such things to me on TV, but how does this coincide with your interests? Or do you naively believe that with time you will become the new Potanin or Deripaska?

                    Imported it is not clear why Potanin and Deripaska. Are they supporters of a liberal economic model? Where did they say that? And what difference does it make to you who I want to become or have already become ?! And what about Lee Kuan Yong was not remembered by other supporters of the free market who led their countries to prosperity?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    So it won't be

                    ))))) Why do you think so? Because you, with your narrow-minded thinking, are only able to move bricks from place to place?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    if you strain, you yourself will think of why.

                    You need to strain yourself and read something from books about economics.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Lenin's "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism" has not yet lost its relevance.

                    Again nonsense. What the hell are you imperialism dragged along? Go to the mausoleum, pray to your Lenin, only this will not make the planned economy any better.
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 1 November 2020 12: 09
        0
        I wrote somewhere that it's free? So do not distort my words. And just read the prices of domestic and export contracts for our products and Western ones, and make a recalculation per unit of production, not forgetting to take into account that some contracts include modification for the needs of the customer, incl. foreign components, training of users of the supplied equipment, as well as ordering a power supply unit for it of a certain quantity and range and after-sales service.
    2. Umalta
      Umalta 31 October 2020 13: 24
      +3
      Quite right. Our engineering school, which fortunately was not strangled by the young reformers, was distinguished by the fact that they found a simple but effective solution, instead of piling up a set of high-tech and extremely expensive solutions to manufacture.
  2. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 31 October 2020 00: 42
    +3
    Oh yes of course! We also stop working with kicks and cuffs, so that life does not seem like butter.
  3. Eragon
    Eragon 31 October 2020 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: Alesi13
    Why is it cheaper? Is it because we are underpaid?

    In dollars it is cheaper, because of its components, and ours is cheaper than not ours. Well, they steal (saw, roll back, etc.) from them much more.
  • Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 30 October 2020 18: 31
    -25 qualifying.
    Thirty years ago, it seems, this lesson was already learned that weapons without an economy are being pulled to the bottom. But now everything has been forgotten and again people want to smear themselves with rockets from head to toe, scoring on all other aspects. Good luck) Especially the myths about the "cheapness" of our weapons smile, oh funny. Weapons, more or less at the world level, cannot be cheap by definition. The best weapons in the world are not bought for money at all, but are available only to the world leader in science and technology. You can estimate the price of such leadership yourself, you cannot buy for oil tanks.

    So Russia has a modest lot left - to modernize the Soviet legacy as far as possible, to tint and renovate while it is possible, and then come what may.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 30 October 2020 19: 21
      29
      30 years ago, we learned a completely different lesson: Buzziness, betrayal and lack of political will - pull to the bottom! For example: it was enough for Gorbachev to consider the question that the Saudis do not respect human rights and they need to be corrected ... Yes, the world would have tensed ... But ... Oil prices would have skyrocketed and the USSR economy would once again give stable growth ... But! Companionship and groveling in front of moneybags does not lead to victory!
      1. Rudkovsky
        Rudkovsky 30 October 2020 19: 59
        -14 qualifying.
        Sitting at the computer at home, we all very easily rule the economy and decide the destinies of the world. But in reality, something is not working out very well, and even the mighty Soviet Union more often responded to challenges than made history itself. And even more so, Russia lives from contract to contract. A little oil fell from 40 to 35 and the leader immediately sang "do not pay attention to the ruble exchange rate." So let's be realistic.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 30 October 2020 19: 58
      14
      Quote: Rudkovsky
      Russia still has a modest lot - to modernize the Soviet legacy as far as possible, to tint and renovate while it is possible,

      Respected! Troll the fullness. Russia has long ceased to be the USSR and is coping with the challenges quite well. And modern weapons are already Russian-made, even the serial production of ship gearboxes P055 at PJSC "Zvezda" is starting ...
      We sell more weapons than the USSR and export grain, which never happened in the USSR.
      And, pzhlsta, write the word RUSSIA with a Capital letter. She deserved it, and it should be respected.
      IMHO.
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    3. BLADFROST
      BLADFROST 31 October 2020 00: 46
      +5
      Your guesses and conjectures into the void! Nothing has to be finished for a long time, except for a couple of surviving teaching aids. I worked at the plant, so I know.
    4. Wertgan
      Wertgan 3 November 2020 13: 17
      0
      Thirty years ago, this is not what we went through. But it was this: The people for 70 years of peace under the nuclear umbrella believed that peace is forever, and that all people are brothers. Accordingly, the Motherland was no longer needed by such people. It became possible to criticize it first, and then sell it for McDonald's and jeans. Which is what happened. The arms race has nothing to do with it. On the other hand, of course, if peace is forever, then weapons are not needed either. )) All people are brothers!
  • flicker
    flicker 30 October 2020 19: 32
    +6
    Let's hope we don't overstrain.
    Who knows, maybe on the contrary, it will benefit the economy: more missiles, tanks, ships, submarines, etc. - how many industries will be loaded with orders: mining, metallurgical, chemical, transport, etc.
    ---
    And the finished product (if anything) will pay off bully
  • Sofa
    Sofa 30 October 2020 21: 25
    -10 qualifying.
    Thanks to Soviet developments, thanks to modernization, we are not lagging behind. But the new technology is something in the army that neither armature nor su 57 is visible, they only drive along the red square
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  • Same lech
    Same lech 30 October 2020 17: 06
    +5
    With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.
    With our Ministry of Finance advocating for the reduction of our army, it will be difficult to withstand ... when in our rear the fifth column of effective managers like Gref or Chubais conducts its subversive activities, we will never see success in the economy.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 17: 29
      12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      With our Ministry of Finance advocating for the reduction of our army

      Where have you seen accounting advocating for something other than downsizing? laughing
      But this does not mean at all that they will be allowed to cut anything on this topic.
    2. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 30 October 2020 17: 55
      17
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      when the fifth column in the face of effective managers like Gref or Chubais conducts its subversive activities in our rear, we will never see success in the economy.

      It’s not about Chubais, how sad it’s not to admit it. All conditions have been created in our economy. By Western standards, taxes are very low, there are practically no eco-standards, well, apart from the most necessary and related levies, there are no restrictions on niches - although a nuclear reactor is a private system, in general, resources and energy are abundant and cheap, the land is almost free. The only question is - who needs it all now? 21st century, post-industrial society. The market has long been divided, and the economy is no longer measured by the number of factories. There are a lot of products that someone alone is not able to produce at all - the blessing and curse of globalization, on the one hand, keeping peace from warriors more firmly than any armies, and on the other hand, preventing the establishment of a competitive diversified independent economy. Unfortunately, a complex problem has no simple solution. Everything needs to be developed. First of all, science and high technology industries. In the second, education and information technology, in the third, political culture and the projection of influence in the world in order to seize markets. So far, only warriors are doing all this successfully. So it turns out that Iran, Syria or the same China will gladly buy weapons from us. But hardly a Zhiguli. Or machines. Or computers. This is the problem. Besides the fact that it is so sharp, of course, Chubais and others like him had a hand, without them we would have an economy comparable to China today, with a population ten times smaller. But even hanging them today on poles in Red Square cannot be easily corrected. Although I admit it would have been a delightful sight ...
      1. KCA
        KCA 30 October 2020 18: 27
        15
        I will not discuss everything, tell me at least one computer fully assembled in one country from the components of this country, in this I, a little dragged. Yes, if the tag hangs made in USA by the number, it is easy to find out that this is, say, an SSD of an unnamed Taiwanese OEM (OEMs are usually unnamed, they do not need their own trademark) of a manufacturer that makes them for all brands that mold their stickers, firmware poured at the factory, under the order, where the same SSD will be Intel, Samsung and even the Russian brand SmartBuy
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 30 October 2020 19: 44
          +6
          Quote: KCA
          I will not discuss everything, tell me at least one computer, completely assembled in one country from the components of this country, in this I, I drag a little.

          And I will not name nearly one. We do not have microelectronic production at the component level from the word at all. There is one micron plant, and even those have problems with growing crystals. Why think so? Is it so difficult to buy heels of outdated 32/28 Nm lines? Or rebuild factories? Expensive, yes, but not difficult. But why? For the army? They have different tasks, standards and needs, they have a component base, but by civilian standards it is no good. Well, why would a user need a computer at the price of half a lam, with a power of 3 stumps, but able to withstand an em pulse and radiation from a nearby nuclear explosion or cosmic rays? And for a citizen we have no market. Our own is deadly small, even if we prohibit imports, it will not pay off the construction of such capacious industries. And there is no external, on the external we are 20 years behind, and even if not, everything I wrote above is relevant. We are not fighting for markets for civilian products, excluding energy. Therefore, there is also a tender friendship with the Chinese. Forgiven Cuba 35 billion in debt, and okay. There would be no obligation to buy goods on them ... So our microelectronics is sitting in a certain place. It is very expensive to develop, and the absence of controlled markets does not allow hoping for a steady demand leading to a payback at least in some time.
          1. KCA
            KCA 30 October 2020 20: 55
            +4
            Not only you understand this, by 2030 almost 900 billion will be allocated for the development of electronics, let's see what happens, although half will be taken away, gratuitous loans to companies for the purchase of equipment are more important. What to buy in Cuba? Only bananas, or build a military base, but at the moment it's just pp, not realistic, Trump can start bombing, and we have something for the domestic market of protected systems, and Elbrus, and Baikal, Baikal for embedded systems or boards , Elbrus personal
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 30 October 2020 21: 36
              +1
              Quote: KCA
              Not only you understand this, by 2030 almost 900 billion will be allocated for the development of electronics, let's see what happens, although half will be taken away, gratuitous loans to companies for the purchase of equipment are more important.

              900 billion if you are talking about rubles in this market - less than the monthly profit of any major player. Not even funny. Guys like Intel with a budget larger than that of our entire country cannot always master technology the first time, but where should we go? There would be a market, it would be an investment, albeit in the distant future, and so ... Just a piece of meat to feed Rusnano and other similar structures. We now have one way - to develop technologies on different principles. Then we can and will be able to compete due to unique characteristics in some parameters that others do not have.
              Quote: KCA
              What to buy in Cuba?

              You don't have to buy anything. Obligate to buy them. Where they will get the money from is not important to us. As well as how they will be calculated for a year or a century. But what to forgive, they would be obliged to buy our cars, our equipment, our weapons, to allocate free quotas in their hotels for our tourists, to buy from us, and not from Monsanta, a seed fund for planting ... And so on. Yes, a penny, but for a long time, but it would give a huge experience in capturing markets. And then the states have 2 centuries of experience, but we have a regiment of theoreticians, and those schools of Marxism-Leninism that have nothing to do with today's economy ...
              Quote: KCA
              or build a military base

              And why now then? Then we did not have the required amount of ICBM. Now there is, even in abundance ... The strategic meaning is lost.
              Quote: KCA
              and we have that for the domestic market of secure systems, and Elbrus, and Baikal, Baikal for embedded systems or boards, Elbrus personal

              70% of the component base is imported. Yes, Chinese, not American, but so what? Yes, and the price / quality combination - let's be honest, that's quite straight G. Maybe for some very narrow scientific problems they will do, but in a wide market, even the domestic one ... A computer is twice as expensive as a modern top, with performance at the level of 2007? This will no longer be protectionism, but the beating of its own consumer.
              1. KCA
                KCA 30 October 2020 22: 43
                +3
                You don't understand a little, Elbrus is at the 2007 level? Nyunu, what completely different processors, data processing, etc. about nothing? They are at the level of emulation x86 of 2007, but there are completely different teams and so on, also give the data of synthetic tests that Intel and AMD have, and in their test their stone wins, it's suckers to breed - see I have 100500 terraflops, and a competitor - look, and I have 100600 terraflops, but in fact, all the pus, mastday, as it was, it remained, and these megaflops are under the tail of the cat, but you need to drive, the number of cores, the frequency, and the fact that the goof will buy the i7 is right expensive and 4GB of memory, and it will not differ from Core2-Duo with the same 4GB, no one will tell. F-22 flies on i80386DX 40MHz, it is enough for it, but straight flight simulator needs a risen or i7
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 30 October 2020 23: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: KCA
                  You don't understand a little, Elbrus is at the 2007 level? Nyunu, what completely different processors, data processing, etc. about nothing? They are at the level of x86 emulation 2007, but there are completely different commands and so on,

                  You wrote everything well. The level of x86 emulation is at the level of 2007. And the entire software market is exactly x86. Of course, you can write something yourself, but not all. Enough for industry / military, not for market competition. Who needs a computer that is more expensive and weaker than analogs, and at the same time incompatible with almost all available software, or at best works with it at the 2007 level?
                  Quote: KCA
                  but in fact, all the pus, mastday, as it was a mastday, remained, and these megaflops are under the tail of the cat, but you need to drive, the number of cores, the frequency, and the fact that the goof will buy the i7 is the most expensive and 4GB of memory, and he does will differ from the Core2-Duo with the same 4GB no one will tell. F-22 flies on i80386DX 40MHz, it is enough for it, but straight flight simulator needs a risen or i7

                  You are confusing warm with soft. And the moment 15 won without a computer and flew norms. To operate the fighter's onboard computer, you need 2 orders of magnitude less resources than to emulate the virtual world around it, visualize it, calculate physics, emulate and visualize the fighter itself, emulate its own computer, opponents and all other processes. Hence the difference. Well I wrote above - we have everything for the military. There is nothing for designers, for players and game makers, for video editing specialists, for neural networks and fuzzy logic systems ... In general, for what the civilian market needs. Elbrus is essentially an analogue of xeon 10 years old. Not bad, but very niche, expensive, and still not at the level of competition with the market.
          2. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 30 October 2020 21: 54
            0
            Quote: oleg123219307
            There is one micron plant, and even those have problems with growing crystals.

            They have no problem growing crystals. They never raised them when they were born and are not going to grow them.
            1. KCA
              KCA 30 October 2020 22: 28
              +3
              Wafers are grown by only a few factories in the whole world, if they learn from us, there will be a jump, the rest are tested and cut, Intel is simply testing and cutting into 6 factories
              1. Ua3qhp
                Ua3qhp 30 October 2020 23: 18
                +4
                Silicon single crystals are grown and cut into wafers by completely different enterprises. For example, in the same Zelenograd "EPIEL".
            2. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 30 October 2020 23: 46
              +1
              Quote: Ua3qhp
              They have no problem growing crystals. They never raised them when they were born and are not going to grow them.

              The monocrystal is trying to cooperate with them. But they have problems with purity, for technical processes thinner than 200 nm is not yet suitable.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 November 2020 10: 55
          0
          "Yes, if the tag hangs made in USA by the number it is easy to recognize" ////
          ----
          The patents are American. Look at the list of product patents
          electronics, it will become clear where the roots come from.
          1. KCA
            KCA 4 November 2020 11: 12
            0
            Thomas Alva Edison, contrary to popular belief, was not a great inventor, he was a great businessman, all the great, supposedly his, inventions are successfully purchased patents, or even just someone else's inventions patented by him
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 October 2020 18: 04
      -3
      Quote: The same Lech
      With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.
      With our Ministry of Finance advocating for the reduction of our army, it will be difficult to withstand ... when in our rear the fifth column of effective managers like Gref or Chubais conducts its subversive activities, we will never see success in the economy.

      Exactly. It is necessary to look at the root of the problem, and not to deal with the consequences. Straight classic and not the expression became "And who did it?"
      And at the expense of new rockets. Show them hitting. And not only launches into the sky. You (the management) have the impression that it is a pleasure to constantly justify that these are not cartoons. Or is it all cartoons? And apart from the start of this whole new nomenclature, the public has nothing to show? The time of gentlemen is over, and they don't believe a word.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 30 October 2020 18: 42
        -2
        Wouldn't you like to order to personally report to you? Scratched off the couch or something, show him the weapons that have not yet gone into production.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 30 October 2020 20: 05
          +1
          Minus MI6 and the CIA with the Mossad or what? laughing Don't even ask - we won't show, then it will be a surprise tongue
  • Normal
    Normal 30 October 2020 17: 27
    +1
    With our scientists, our economy becomes secondary.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 17: 35
      +5
      Quote: Normal
      With our scientists, our economy becomes secondary.

      You need to have a snack. How is one related to the other? Are you going to grow rockets on trees? What will you eat? The economy is always primary. It was not for nothing that the USSR first carried out collectivization, then industrialization, and then put new types of weapons on the stream. Tractors first, then tanks.
      1. KCA
        KCA 30 October 2020 18: 30
        12
        With tractors we have everything exactly for a long time, Rostselmash sculpts them like dumplings, even in Canada, production was opened, yes, some of the models are licensed, but they are in demand, but there are also their own developments
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 18: 38
          0
          Quote: KCA
          With tractors we have everything exactly for a long time ...

          It's not about tractors, it's just an allegory.
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 18: 46
          -2
          Quote: KCA
          With tractors we have everything exactly for a long time, Rostselmash sculpts them like dumplings,

          Well, yes.
          Only they, even in advertising, say that they mold from imported components using imported equipment.
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 30 October 2020 18: 52
            +4
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            that they mold from imported components on imported equipment.

            Well, yes, but all over the world they mold only on their own and from their own .... Enough already to carry nonsense. In the USSR, as far as production was developed, and then most of the high-tech machine tools were imported.
            Almost nowhere is 100% domestic production left, everyone considers a penny, just someone teaches personnel, and someone buys them. Etc. Different approaches
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 19: 15
              +1
              Quote: Mitroha
              all over the world they mold only on their own and from their ...

              Well yes, you are right.
              If we forget about the fact that, unlike "the whole world", we are under sanctions.
              But they don't let us forget, they remind us from time to time. For example, about MS-21, all (all !!!) suppliers simply took and abandoned their contractual obligations.
              Where is the guarantee that tomorrow the same Rostselmash will not be left without transmissions, and beautiful machines will simply turn off and turn into scrap metal?
              1. Mitroha
                Mitroha 30 October 2020 19: 57
                +3
                There are no such guarantees, I agree with you. As there is practically no machine-tool building in Russia at the moment, and here two options emerge - either to produce so far, or not to produce at all. And since you want to eat here and now, and you won't be full of factories under construction, the answer is clear. Another thing is why, in parallel with the production of machinery, they are not being built (unless they are of course being built, I am not in the subject specifically for agricultural machinery) production plants, at least licensed (which can always be nationalized under sanctions) wink ) This is a question, but another one, you must agree.
                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 31 October 2020 05: 39
                  -2
                  Quote: Mitroha
                  It's another matter why, in parallel with the production of equipment, plants for production, at least licensed, are not built ... This is a question, but another,
                  yes no, that's the question.
                  What can we ourselves, independently from "partners".
                  And this is sovereignty.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 19: 38
              -3
              Quote: Mitroha
              And even then most of the high-tech machine tools were imported.

              Do not carry nonsense.
              1. Mitroha
                Mitroha 30 October 2020 19: 59
                +7
                If you are not aware of something, then this is only your problem, and not the delusion of another hi
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 22: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Mitroha
                  If you are not aware of something, then this is only your problem, and not the delusion of another

                  Quote: Mitroha
                  And even then most of the high-tech machine tools were imported.

                  Will you provide documented evidence? In which industries what is the percentage of imported and domestic machine tools, etc. I worked as an electronics engineer in the USSR, I repaired them. I remember what and how it was. The USSR also had unique machines of its own design. In any case, in critical industries, in contrast to the Russian Federation.
                  1. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 31 October 2020 08: 12
                    +1
                    Dear, if I wanted to teach ignoramuses, I would go to the pedagogical institute. But I didn't go there. Therefore, fill in your knowledge gaps yourself, since it is easier now than 40 years ago, search the internet. Self-education is always useful. hi
                    And in order to make it easier for you to find, I never said that the USSR did not have any machines, including unique ones, of its own production, I said, I quote, "most of the high-tech machines were imported", start from this
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 08: 50
                    -2
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    Dear, if I wanted to teach ignoramuses, I would go to the pedagogical institute.

                    Once again I am convinced that when the Dazdraputs have no arguments left, they become personal.
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    And in order to make it easier for you to find, I never said that the USSR did not have any machines, including unique ones, of its own production, I said, I quote, "most of the high-tech machines were imported", start from this

                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Will you provide documented evidence? In which industries what is the percentage of imported and domestic machine tools, etc.
                  3. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 31 October 2020 17: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Once again I am convinced that when the Dazdraputs have no arguments left, they become personal.

                    What did you do laughing
                  4. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 17: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    Dear, if I wanted to teach ignoramuses,

                    Your transition to personalities.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Will you provide documented evidence? In which industries what is the percentage of imported and domestic machine tools, etc.

                    You didn’t bring anything except your unfounded statements.
                  5. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 31 October 2020 17: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Your transition to personalities.

                    Sorry, but here the statement of the fact turns out hi
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    You didn’t bring anything except your unfounded statements.

                    And you still did not deign to improve your education
                  6. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 18: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    Sorry, but here the statement of the fact turns out

                    Quote: Mitroha
                    And you still did not deign to improve your education

                    Except for blunt injections, nothing and what else to expect from Dazdraputs.
                  7. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 31 October 2020 18: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Except for blunt injections, nothing and what else to expect from Dazdraputs.

                    An answering machine in a Sberbank, by phone, gives more varied answers than you do laughing ... Tense up, give out something new, I'm waiting yes
  • Normal
    Normal 30 October 2020 19: 53
    +2
    In the sense that we create better designs for less money than gringos. And you shouldn't build rash conclusions with regards to snacks with strangers. Free.
  • Machito
    Machito 30 October 2020 18: 58
    +4
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Victor_B
    But, alas, this is a stern necessity, for the Americans have naturally "ripped off the lid"!

    New "arms race". With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.

    We are the sixth economy in the world. In terms of price / quality ratio, our weapon is the most optimal. As of today, we have overtaken the United States in rocketry. There are already three participants in Cold War 2.0. And which of them will not survive the Arms Race is not at all clear. In the United States, the cut is such that Roscosmos can envy him. Russia has a reserve in the redistribution of funds, it can give oligarchs and transnational companies.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 19: 17
      +3
      Quote: Bearded
      there is a reserve in the redistribution of funds, you can give the oligarchs

      Probably press down?
      Funny.
      Rather, they will crush us, because capitalism in 1991 was not arranged for us.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: Bearded
      We are the sixth economy in the world.

      Before the First World War, RI was, in my opinion, the fifth economy in the world. And it all ended with the collapse of the economy in the third year of the war and food appropriation in 1916, because there was nothing to eat.
      1. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2020 22: 08
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: Bearded
        We are the sixth economy in the world.

        Before the First World War, RI was, in my opinion, the fifth economy in the world. And it all ended with the collapse of the economy in the third year of the war and food appropriation in 1916, because there was nothing to eat.

        It all depends on the readiness of the nation to mobilize. In 1941 they managed. There is a positive experience.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 07: 21
          +3
          Quote: Bearded
          It all depends on the readiness of the nation to mobilize. In 1941 they managed. There is a positive experience.

          What grounds do you have for considering the capitalist RF as an analogue of the socialist USSR? RF can only be compared with RI, but not with the USSR.
      2. 16329
        16329 31 October 2020 02: 16
        +4
        There was no famine in Russia during the First World War, famine was in Germany, and it was planned to buy grain from peasants at fixed prices, and this was not at all the kind of surplus appropriation that the Bolsheviks carried out.
        The military industry was actively developed and by 1917 they had built and reconstructed many factories, increased the production of explosives and began mass production of CWA, read and see materials about the development of the Russian military industry, and the delay in the delivery of food to St. Petersburg in February 1917 is not worth mentioning, it is there was an act of sabotage to prepare a coup - a "semi - color" revolution, "great and bloodless"
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 07: 39
          +1
          Quote: 16329
          The military industry was actively developed and by 1917 ...

          How many machine guns did RI release during the war, and Germany? How many airplanes did RI release during the war, but Germany? And the list is almost endless. Has the Russian Federation solved the problem of "shell hunger", at the expense of what and when? Let me tell you a little secret, in the Republic of Ingushetia they did not even make bearings, and that there were no domestic bearings or needles.
          Quote: 16329
          There was no famine in Russia during the First World War, famine was in Germany, and it was planned to buy grain from peasants at fixed prices, and this was not at all the kind of surplus appropriation that the Bolsheviks carried out.

          The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. Hunger in Ingushetia happened regularly, in my opinion, with an interval of ten fifteen years. "We will not finish, but we will take out" the phrase is familiar? And it is surplus appropriation and surplus appropriation in Africa. This is the purchase of grain at fixed prices. That under the tsar, that under the Bolsheviks.
          Quote: 16329
          the delay in the delivery of foodstuffs to St. Petersburg in February 1917 is not worth mentioning the same, it was an act of sabotage to prepare a coup - a "semi - color" revolution, "great and bloodless"

          No, it was the usual act of "bungling" for that Russia. But what's the difference, the capital is not all of Russia.
          1. 16329
            16329 31 October 2020 10: 53
            0
            No need to talk about "bungling", in Russia this has always covered up sabotage and intrigue under any political regimes, by the way, the machine-gun factory in Kovrov was founded in 1916 and would have been commissioned in 1917. As I wrote, in XNUMX it was planned to dramatically increase defense production ...
            Prior to that, the shortage was covered by purchases in the external market.
            In the Second World War, we see a similar situation, the deployment of the evacuated industry took place by 1943, before that, the supply of foreign weapons played a large role in compensating for the losses of the first year of the war.
            Well, in general, just compare the position of the Russian Army at the beginning of 1917 and at the beginning of 1943 (January-February), the front line, the situation in the rear, the general tension of the country's forces, territorial and human losses, territorial gains and the number of captured prisoners
            An interesting comparison turns out
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 11: 01
              +1
              Quote: 16329
              By the way, the machine-gun factory in Kovrov was founded in 1916 and would have been commissioned in 1917. As I wrote, in the seventeenth year it was planned to dramatically increase defense production.

              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              How many machine guns did RI release during the war, and Germany? How many airplanes did RI release during the war, but Germany? And the list is almost endless.

              Many plans are voiced today, but their implementation is lame.
              Quote: 16329
              In the Second World War, we see a similar situation, the deployment of the evacuated industry took place by 1943, before that, the supply of foreign weapons played a large role in compensating for the losses of the first year of the war.

              We cannot see any similar situation. Don't you see the difference between "evacuated according to plan" and "complete absence"?
              Quote: 16329
              Well, in general, just compare the position of the Russian Army at the beginning of 1917 and at the beginning of 1943 (January-February), the front line, the situation in the rear, the general tension of the country's forces, territorial and human losses, territorial gains and the number of captured prisoners
              An interesting comparison turns out

              You better compare the result.
              1. 16329
                16329 31 October 2020 19: 51
                0
                In the Stalinist USSR, they knew how to deal with an internal enemy better than in Russia, hence the corresponding result, although, it seems, events similar to 1917 were only postponed, until 1991

                In Russia, under any regimes, the key issue is internal Consolidation and its opponents understand this.
                From outside Russia can only inflict a small defeat, but serious damage can only be done from within, relying on opponents of the regime
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 19: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: 16329
                  it seems that events similar to 1917 were only delayed, until 1991

                  The case of the industrial party is about those who later arranged 1991.
    3. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 30 October 2020 21: 59
      +2
      Already probably the fifth, but this is rather not entirely our merit, the Germans fell heavily.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 30 October 2020 19: 01
    +4
    Poor devil
    He crawled under the mare
    Strained
    Overworked
    He raised the mare, took two steps,
    On the third he fell, he extended his legs.
    (C)
  • garik77
    garik77 30 October 2020 22: 45
    +3
    And the race is not necessary. It is enough to have a certain number of missiles, which, according to their performance characteristics, are guaranteed to break through the enemy's missile defense. Those. we must take technology, not quantity. And new technologies always have a positive side effect for the citizen.
  • lion1980
    lion1980 30 October 2020 23: 01
    +1
    There is no need to base your "forecasts" on the history of Soviet times. At that time it was mainly us who "caught up". This is the first thing. Secondly, we are already behind - according to experts - from 5 to 10 years. Therefore, we have time to develop next generation technology without financial overstress. And one more thing: in the present situation, the "printing press" will no longer help the states - they need bright brains and new ideas! With this they are getting worse and worse.
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 31 October 2020 16: 33
    -2
    "Our" economy is not ours for a long time, just think the pension will be pulled by another heel ... business then ...
  • Military77
    Military77 30 October 2020 17: 09
    +3
    naturally "the lid was torn off"!

    The main thing is that the "bottom knocked out"
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 30 October 2020 17: 22
    -5
    Quote: Victor_B
    It's sad ...
    But alas, a dire necessity

    In my opinion, it is already too much with these missiles.
    It's time for us to stop and focus on
    peaceful economy. The arms race is already
    passed, and we know how it ends.
    1. Normal
      Normal 30 October 2020 17: 29
      11
      We can stop, but the "partners" will not stop in their wet fantasies of the collapse of our country.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 12
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: Normal
        We can stop, but the "partners" will not stop.


        Partners have been steadily reducing defense spending until 2014.
        1. KCA
          KCA 30 October 2020 18: 34
          12
          USA - 2013 674 billion, 2012 662 billion, reduced, you say? Well, now 10 letters and the Internet will give all the data, even if you read it
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 38
            -6
            Quote: KCA
            USA - 2013 674 billion, 2012 662 billion, reduced, you say?


            Where does your data come from? Wikipedia: 2010 - 721, 2011 - 717, 2012 - 681, 2013 - 610, 2014 - 614, 2015 - 637.
            1. KCA
              KCA 30 October 2020 18: 45
              +1
              Do not trust Vika, this is a free encyclopedia, there anyone can change information, I remember from some US star, choli singer, there were more than 65 edits, and, tadadam, just by date of birth, there are other editions
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 47
                -3
                Quote: KCA
                Don't trust Vika


                You didn't say where you got the data from.
                1. KCA
                  KCA 30 October 2020 18: 49
                  +2
                  Have all search engines been banned except the wiki?
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 49
                    -3
                    How quickly you started to wag.

                    And just for the record: Wikipedia is not a search engine.
                    1. KCA
                      KCA 30 October 2020 18: 52
                      +2
                      I found, I wrote off the data, should I open the history, search, name the sources for you? In general, I watch and eat TV, but no, I have to give up everything and look for a source for you, look, and find it, it's not difficult
                    2. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 53
                      -3
                      Quote: KCA
                      should you name the sources?


                      Yes, it would be nice.

                      Quote: KCA
                      I generally watch TV and eat


                      Yeah, I see.
                  2. Voyager
                    Voyager 30 October 2020 19: 11
                    +5
                    KSA is wrong about not providing the source. You are wrong that you have ignored the costs in recent years, although you can see an increase since 2014 (who would have thought). There is no need to run far: 2020 have been allocated for 738 and, as they say, this is a record amount.

                    https://tass.ru/info/7395907
                  3. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 19: 18
                    -5
                    Quote: Voyager
                    You are wrong to ignore spending in recent years.


                    I specifically said that the costs are up to 2014, and I gave them. Recalling what happened in 2014 and how it affected military budgets is an exercise for the reader, as they say.
                  4. Voyager
                    Voyager 30 October 2020 19: 20
                    +5
                    So what is the matter with lowering "sometime there" if there is now and we have what we have? Your initial comment just doesn't make sense. You never know who was there when he lowered his OB.
                  5. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 19: 22
                    -3
                    Quote: Voyager
                    So what does it matter to lowering "once there" if we have now and have what we have?


                    Who cares, you? I do not know. Maybe none. And I wonder how the situation became the way it is now.

                    Quote: Voyager
                    Your initial comment just doesn't make sense.


                    You just didn't understand him.
                2. VORON538
                  VORON538 1 November 2020 02: 59
                  +2
                  And when did the Americans plan the military budget for 2014? In 2013, probably. As in all normal countries. So do not try to pull an owl onto the globe! The Americans prepared everything in advance, until 2014!
    2. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 19: 36
      +2
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      Quote: KCA
      USA - 2013 674 billion, 2012 662 billion, reduced, you say?

      Where does your data come from? Wikipedia: 2010 - 721, 2011 - 717, 2012 - 681, 2013 - 610, 2014 - 614, 2015 - 637.

      "Congratulations, citizen, you lied!"
      Very interesting why you omitted the data for 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2019 from the wikipedia article you cited:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_военным_расходам
      The complete row, taking into account the data you "lost", should look like this:
      2006 - 527,7, 2007 - 557,0, 2008 - 621,1, 2009 - 668,6 , 2010 - 721, 2011 - 717, 2012 - 681, 2013 - 610, 2014 - 614, 2015 - 637, 2019 - 732,0
      So what kind of reduction in US military spending do you have the audacity to talk about?
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 19: 39
        -2
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        The complete row, taking into account the data you "lost", should look like this:
        2006 - 527,7, 2007 - 557,0, 2008 - 621,1, 2009 - 668,6, 2010 - 721, 2011 - 717, 2012 - 681, 2013 - 610, 2014 - 614, 2015 - 637, 2019 - 732,0


        Isn't Russian native to you? Read my message again - it says "until 2014". And the figures you give are correct. True, you don't understand what they mean - until 2011, the States spent a lot on the occupation of Iraq.

        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        So what kind of reduction in US military spending do you have the audacity to talk about?


        What is incomprehensible to you in the words "until 2014"?
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 20: 35
          +1
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          What is incomprehensible to you in the words "until 2014"?

          That's exactly what "to 2014 ". That is," for the previous 2014 years ", and without specifying from what time to count this" to ", which means for all the years for which there are relevant data, including 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.
          But for you, the data of these years is apparently not convenient, so you do not give them, while not indicating this default.
          And when you are reasonably asked "Why ..?" the traditional answer sounds: "You don't understand, this is different !!!":
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          Prapvda, do not understand what they mean - until 2011, the United States spent a lot on the occupation of Iraq.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 21: 33
            -2
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            And when you are reasonably asked "Why ..?" the traditional answer sounds: "You don't understand, this is different !!!":


            When you ask "why", they explain to you. The world is complex and diverse - get used to the fact that you will often be told "this is different." And if you don’t understand the explanation, they will say “you don’t understand”.
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 21: 44
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Quote: Ded_Mazay
              And when you are reasonably asked "Why ..?" the traditional answer sounds: "You don't understand, this is different !!!":


              When you ask "why", they explain to you. The world is complex and diverse - get used to the fact that you will often be told "this is different." And if you don’t understand the explanation, they will say “you don’t understand”.

              Yes, yes, of course. Curl up as you go in a frying pan - you are good at it.
            2. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 21: 45
              -2
              A weighty argument.
            3. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 21: 59
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              A weighty argument.

              In full accordance with your demagoguery.
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha 30 October 2020 18: 47
    +4
    And his task is different - to sketch
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 October 2020 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: Bez 310
    It's time for us to stop and focus on
    peaceful economy


    thanks to Gorbachev, we already stopped and focused on the peaceful economy in the 90s. The result of this peaceful economy of the “saints” of the 90s was perfectly reflected in words by the character of the taxi driver in the immense film "Brother 2"
    "- And where is your homeland, son? Gorbachev handed over your homeland to the Americans in order to hang out beautifully. And now your homeland has lost two wars and the Crimea has been defeated. It has surrendered the Russian people in the Baltic states, surrendered the Serbs in the Balkans. Homeland! Today, the homeland is where the ass is. warm, and you know it better than me! "
    The country miraculously did not fall to pieces, and power was played into a peaceful economy, by inertia, until August 2008, which showed that it was impossible to play it further without losing the country's sovereignty.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 30 October 2020 19: 32
    +1
    More rockets!
    Good and DIFFERENT!

    -and not a single aircraft carrier. to what Shoigu brought the army.
    oh yes, well done!
  • deniso
    deniso 30 October 2020 19: 45
    0
    Where are the comments about "cartoons" and plywood?
  • iouris
    iouris 30 October 2020 21: 52
    -2
    Quote: Victor_B
    More rockets! Good and DIFFERENT!

    If you walk wide, you have to think how not to tear your pants.
    Let's paraphrase the slogan: "More gas pipelines! Good and DIFFERENT!"
    Now let's see the result. Where is the result?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 30 October 2020 17: 09
    +4
    This makes me happy! Strong competence in this matter since the times of the Union, well done, have not lost. We have nothing to do without missiles.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 30 October 2020 17: 18
    +4
    All this is the guarantee of the independence of the Country and its People ... in the conditions of the complete incapacity of the current collective West and various others ...
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 October 2020 17: 23
    +7
    "Caliber" of increased range, as well as a long-range ground complex with a hypersonic missile.
    They want to drive the partners in the coffin ?! laughing
  • Old26
    Old26 30 October 2020 17: 26
    0
    Quote: Borik
    And we will build the cheapest but the best rockets in the world

    Cheap rockets are not the best rockets ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 31 October 2020 09: 30
      0
      Requirements: "high precision", "hypersonic", "powerful", "cheap" are all competing. You win in strength - you lose in distance ... The golden rule ...
  • yriuv62
    yriuv62 30 October 2020 17: 28
    -4
    Well hang on America! High precision! Now no one will sleep there.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 30 October 2020 17: 51
      -12 qualifying.
      Missiles, usually, fly in response to a massive UAV attack, if the missile launchers with warehouses survived.
      Even Turkish strategic UAVs are now shooting at 2500 km (from Kiev to the Urals, 1584 km).
      Now imagine the range of drones from the USA, Canada, Israel.
      Question: Are we going to develop Russian UAVs or is it too late?
      The most pressing saying in Hayastan and Artsakh, especially when giving the land young Armenian warriors, "I HEAR A DRONE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS".
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 30 October 2020 17: 55
        -5
        The UAV will be shot down or dropped with a slave. And missiles and even hypersonic horseradish you will shoot down air defenses and a slave. So the future belongs to hypersound.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 14
          -5
          Quote: Fungus
          And missiles and even hypersonic horseradish you will shoot down air defense and with a slave


          Electronic warfare acts on hypersonic missiles in the same way as on subsonic ones.
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 30 October 2020 19: 00
            -2
            It does not work
        2. fn34440
          fn34440 30 October 2020 18: 40
          -7
          What REP (EW is not correct). These "drones" are equipped with silent electric motors, noise-immune control channels and a memory unit, capable of returning the "drone" back in case of loss of control. You lagged behind in your child's scribe.
          Even golny Azerbaijan ALREADY produces hundreds of the latest silent, jam-resistant Orbiter-3 of its own production. The line of attack "drones" is presented based on the Orbiter-1K UAV under the designation Zerbe-1K (Zerbe - Udar), the Orbiter-2M UAV is also assembled in Azerbaijan. And the latest modification İti Qovan ("Drive like dogs"), which was launched into production less than a month ago.
          Azerbaijan also bought from Turkey and received at its disposal light attack UAVs Kargu-2, which are capable of operating in a group - "swarm".

          In addition to them, the Turkish-made Bayraktar tactical mid-altitude UAV is also in service with Azerbaijan, which has four suspension points under the wing and can carry up to four planning ammunition specially designed for Bayraktar with a laser targeting system, or the same number of guided missiles. It can stay in the air for up to 20 hours and rise to an altitude of over 7000 meters. This air army today inflicts heavy losses on the Armenian troops and gives the Azerbaijani troops that strategic advantage.
          Feskozakidatel you are ours.
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 30 October 2020 18: 59
            -3
            All these drones will burn with a rebomb without any problems. These baikatars were burned and knocked down in bundles. So are the kamikaze drones. And what to compare with Armenia. Against a normal army it is necessary.
      2. 16329
        16329 2 November 2020 02: 24
        0
        Drones do not shoot at 2500 km in anything, no one has such missiles for Leonov, why write nonsense, people specifically went with this aeromodelling, Turkish Drones have a speed like a car
        And the Turks are not doing so well with the defense industry, they buy explosives in Bulgaria
  • yfast
    yfast 30 October 2020 17: 35
    0
    Would have completed, and then pleased. And then we are going to complete so many things that it does not fit into the pot. It's a shame to read these talker birds.
  • Charik
    Charik 30 October 2020 17: 40
    -2
    Once I had to visit KTRV - then Caliber did not even smell
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 30 October 2020 18: 14
      -3
      Charik-Charykin. From Lyubertsy? Or am I wrong?
      1. Charik
        Charik 31 October 2020 05: 28
        -2
        From near Voronezh
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 18: 24
    -3
    And I don’t believe in the best in the world, and even cheap.
    No, our people sometimes know how to make candy out of Mr., it’s because of poverty. (Need for invention is cunning).
    But after all, a rocket, and even a high-precision one, is a product of very high technologies, there is chemistry, precision mechanics, metallurgy, and, most importantly, "brains". I mean electronics.
    And if you believe our officials, the country produces only 8% of consumed electronics, and this includes software and other intellectual property. The rest is a stupid screwdriver assembly of imported components.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 30 October 2020 18: 32
    +3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Victor_B
    But, alas, this is a stern necessity, for the Americans have naturally "ripped off the lid"!

    New "arms race". With our economy, it will be difficult to withstand it.

    What's wrong with our economy? The Forbes list is regularly updated. wassat
    Can the question be put differently - is there something wrong with the steering? winked lol
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 18: 35
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      Quote: Radikal
      What's wrong with our economy? The Forbes list is regularly updated.

      So you yourself answered. The whole country works for the guys on this list. The rest are side effects.
  • Bi-mac
    Bi-mac 30 October 2020 18: 33
    +6
    Over the past 2-3 years, there were not many topics that would please and inspire us (Russians). This is one of them. It is clear that, ideally, we would like to have "butter instead of guns", but only thanks to "guns" do we have a chance to plan the development of a peaceful economy. Without them, alas, in the long term, Russia would have little chance of maintaining its independence and ensuring an increase in living standards. Hope we overcome all difficulties!)
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 30 October 2020 18: 42
    +1
    we have such devices, but we will not tell you about them
  • IS-1
    IS-1 30 October 2020 19: 18
    +1
    Russia completes the creation of a number of the latest high-precision missile systems

    This is how we always survive hi .. It is not for nothing that such pressure is going on all fronts around Russia and inside its fifth column ...
    "Lapotnaya Russia and a gas station", again showed the west one place laughing
  • Old26
    Old26 30 October 2020 19: 27
    +9
    Quote: fn34440
    Missiles, usually, fly in response to a massive UAV attack, if the missile launchers with warehouses survived.

    Are they really flying in response to a massive UAV attack? Even the MRBM? Rave. And where such nonsense people are recruited ???

    Quote: fn34440
    Even Turkish strategic UAVs are now shooting at 2500 km (from Kiev to the Urals, 1584 km).

    Sound the name of the Turkish strategic UAV, capable of shooting at 2500 km, and how it shoots like that ... Bredyatina .... Do not make another "wunderwaffe" out of the UAV. You need to take UAVs seriously, but you shouldn't consider them a panacea for everything

    Quote: Fungus
    The UAV will be shot down or dropped with a slave. And missiles and even hypersonic horseradish you will shoot down air defenses and a slave. So the future belongs to hypersound.

    As well as the UAV, there is no need to insert "hypersound" into each line. Most of the missiles are already hypersonic, even without a speech by the presidents of the United States and Russia. Like all flying and hypersonic missiles, you can shoot down. Technically, this is not difficult.

    Quote: fn34440
    What is the REB (REB-not correct)

    Both terms have a right to exist. REP - electronic suppression, electronic warfare - electronic warfare

    Quote: Charik
    Once I had to visit KTRV - then Caliber did not even smell

    Sorry, but why should KTRV suddenly smell like "Caliber" when it was being created almost 1500 km from Kolomna in KB "Novator" in Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg) ??
  • Old26
    Old26 30 October 2020 19: 39
    -1
    Quote: Alesi13
    Yes, not this, too, namely this, prices for components, low, then why

    And the salaries of the workers cannot be compared with the same workers who produce similar products from them. All this taken together gives a price lower than theirs. In particular, the Tomahawk Block 4 is 2,2 times more expensive than our Caliber, and the previous modifications of the Tomahawk - 4 times. But all the same, the cost of our "Caliber" for 2016 was calculated by EMNIP at $ 850
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 October 2020 20: 33
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      And the salaries of the workers cannot be compared with the same workers who produce similar products from them.


      the main thing is that the workers now have these salaries and not like in the 90s, with a "peaceful economy", they have not been seen for years.
    2. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 31 October 2020 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      But all the same, the cost of our "Caliber" for 2016 was calculated by EMNIP at $ 850

      Where does this data come from? The Defense Ministry pays in rubles, not dollars.
  • staer-62
    staer-62 30 October 2020 19: 48
    -2
    The main thing is that they would not be exchanged for contracts-filkin letters.
  • Old26
    Old26 30 October 2020 19: 51
    0
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    "Caliber" of increased range, as well as a long-range ground complex with a hypersonic missile.
    They want to drive the partners in the coffin ?! laughing

    Partners do the same. Hypersonic missiles for the army, aviation and navy
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 October 2020 20: 36
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Partners do the same. Hypersonic missiles for the army, aviation and navy


      unlike Russia, the partners, apart from idle talk, that they have no evidence. They offer to take their word for it.
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  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 30 October 2020 20: 45
    0
    Quote: staer-62
    The main thing is that they would not be exchanged for contracts-filkin letters.

    Believe me, if you don't, you won't!)
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 30 October 2020 23: 17
    17
    Straight intrigue winked So they work on the sly yes good
  • Old26
    Old26 31 October 2020 01: 48
    +2
    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: Old26
    Partners do the same. Hypersonic missiles for the army, aviation and navy


    unlike Russia, the partners, apart from idle talk, that they have no evidence. They offer to take their word for it.

    NO, I'm not suggesting. But he becomes in the position of an ostrich, thrusting his head into the sand and it is sacred to believe that only we master hypersound, at least stupidly and shortsightedly. They are working. And if they are two or three years behind, then these terms are not critical
  • Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 31 October 2020 02: 09
    -1
    Our logic is just super, we create missiles that can reach the United States and shave a fly there, but our soldiers walk with PM
  • Old26
    Old26 31 October 2020 11: 55
    +2
    Quote: Ua3qhp
    Quote: Old26
    But all the same, the cost of our "Caliber" for 2016 was calculated by EMNIP at $ 850

    Where does this data come from? The Defense Ministry pays in rubles, not dollars.

    From Sergei Shoigu's speech in honor of the first anniversary of our stay in Syria. expenses for this time were announced, incl. and the cost of those several dozen "Calibers" that were released in Syria. Prices were, of course, in rubles. I converted them into dollars solely in order to compare with the cost of "tomahawks"
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