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The newest kamikaze shock drone ST-35 "Thunder" was presented in Ukraine

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The newest kamikaze shock drone ST-35 "Thunder" was presented in Ukraine

The Ukrainian company "Athlon Avia" held a presentation of the ST-35 "Thunder" strike unmanned aviation complex (patrolling ammunition).


According to a press release, the new ST-35 "Thunder" kamikaze drone is designed for high-precision engagement of targets. A feature of the use of the complex is the possibility of hitting targets in closed positions and the use of various types of warheads.

According to a representative of Athlon Avia, the new complex is a multicopter (also a repeater) with disposable ammunition. The device is launched vertically upward, after which it arrives at the zone of the intended enemy deployment, conducts additional reconnaissance and then hits the target by vertical diving at it.


The take-off weight of the ammunition is 9,5 kg, the warhead weighing 3,5 kg is thermobaric, then it is supposed to install high-explosive and cumulative fragmentation. The flight range is about 30 km, the stay in the air is stated in the region of 1 hour, the speed is 120-140 km / h, the probability of hitting the target is 0,95, the deployment time is 15-20 minutes. The body is made of composite materials (glass and carbon fiber).


The entire complex - and this is three ammunition, is disposable, fits into three tactical backpacks weighing up to 15 kg, which makes it possible to move the calculation to the necessary positions. Management is from a conventional tablet.

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 October 2020 09: 54
    16
    They write interesting ...
    And how it actually works is a big secret.
    Well, actually, there are still specialists in Ukraine, and they can do a really worthy thing.
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 30 October 2020 10: 00
      -11 qualifying.
      Like their hammer, they have degraded.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 10: 06
        10
        Quote: Alien From
        Like their hammer, they have degraded.

        Don't underestimate them. Thanks to the "wise" foreign policy of our leaders, today it is quite an economically developed anti-Russian state.
        1. kristofer
          kristofer 30 October 2020 10: 20
          +7
          I especially liked it for being economically developed)))
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 30 October 2020 14: 27
            +3
            Quote: kristofer
            I especially liked it for being economically developed)))

            You can laugh further, but Ukraine has already used a kamikaze drone in Donbas.
            1. Oden280
              Oden280 30 October 2020 17: 38
              +4
              Such a kamikaze drone can be assembled after visiting a Chinese flea market and a couple of hardware stores and a pharmacy.
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            3. tranquil
              tranquil 30 October 2020 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: kristofer
              I especially liked it for being economically developed)))

              You can laugh further, but Ukraine has already used a kamikaze drone in Donbas.

              Yeah, this is the first criterion for an "economically developed state". It is probably for this reason that EU High Representative Josep Barrell told the clown president that "the EU is not a charity or an ATM." Very highly developed economically.
          2. syndicalist
            syndicalist 31 October 2020 09: 22
            -1
            Quote: kristofer
            I especially liked it for being economically developed)))

            It is clear that with the economy there is a complete ass. However, everything is learned by comparison. And this comparison is by no means in favor of Russia. The same hryvnia for the last couple of years has been showing quite steady growth against the ruble.
        2. Fungus
          Fungus 30 October 2020 10: 21
          0
          So economically developed that money for salaries and pensions from the IMF beg for hellish conditions.
      2. Stasi
        Stasi 30 October 2020 10: 16
        10
        Quote: Alien From
        Like their hammer, they have degraded.

        For the "Hammer" you need to weld normal steel, made according to the correct technology barrel ...
        Do not say anything, but competence is necessary.

        And here, plastic, electronics kits from abroad, waste software ...
        DIY Kit, Do It Yourself, Do It Yourself.
        Put it all together, and here's Thunder ...
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 30 October 2020 17: 25
          +2
          Quote: Stasi
          For the "Hammer" you need to weld normal steel, make the barrel using the correct technology ...
          Say what you don't, but competence is necessary

          There are still competencies in Ukraine. Hammers are a clean cut of the dough. So that they would not fall apart, there was no such condition in the problem.
    2. Maz
      Maz 30 October 2020 10: 04
      +3
      The ancient Sumerians set their sights on the Donbass. The laurels of Erdogan and Israel in Karabakh aroused the fighting fervor of tame jackals from Bandera and the CIA.
    3. Stasi
      Stasi 30 October 2020 10: 07
      +7
      Quote: Victor_B
      They write interesting ...

      If they "finish" and are able to organize mass production and deliveries to the troops, then someone who has air defense in a similar condition to the NKR air defense (clarifications apparently will not be required, everyone will understand and so who are they talking about) will have a hard time ...
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 30 October 2020 10: 18
        -2
        Quote: Stasi
        it won't be sweet ...

        You won't have to, these, about whom we are talking, have Russian citizenship, which makes the massive use of flying bandero toys impossible! Unless, of course, the Outskirts want to join Russia with their entire composition. wassat
        1. Stasi
          Stasi 30 October 2020 10: 30
          +6
          Quote: neri73-r
          You won't have to, these, about whom we are talking, have Russian citizenship, which makes the massive use of flying bandero toys impossible!

          Bandera do not recognize these passports, and will hit ...

          And then ... Then everything depends only on our Guarantor. Will he remember what he said earlier about the threat to the existence of the state of Ukraine in the event of its aggression ...

          Here, I just read it in the next branch:

          Data on the attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the territory of the DPR with the use of a drone confirmed

          https://topwar.ru/176602-podtverdilis-dannye-o-nanesenii-vsu-udara-po-territorii-dnr-s-primeneniem-bespilotnika.html

          Are you a "passport" what ... Like a passport, this is an armor plate ...
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 30 October 2020 11: 05
            -1
            Data on the attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the territory of the DPR with the use of a drone confirmed

            https://topwar.ru/176602-podtverdilis-dannye-o-nanesenii-vsu-udara-po-territorii-dnr-s-primeneniem-bespilotnika.html

            And you "passport" what ... Like a passport, this is an armor plate ...

            First, I wrote - massively! Secondly, they may not recognize our passports, they may admit that they dug the Black Sea, this will be their problem! South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea as an example for you! A start. There is nowhere to retreat, only forward.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 30 October 2020 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: neri73-r
              First, I wrote - massively!

              And what's the problem? Ukraine is quite capable of producing thousands of them. And not a year, but a month. Only political will is required.
              1. businessv
                businessv 31 October 2020 23: 14
                0
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                Only political will is required.

                Pancake! And money? And what about the production capacity? And what about competent performers and designers? And not the stealing officials? Political will in the square depends on the Natsik, dictating it!
          2. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 30 October 2020 11: 57
            0
            Quote: Stasi
            Data on the attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the territory of the DPR with the use of a drone confirmed

            https://topwar.ru/176602-podtverdilis-dannye-o-nanesenii-vsu-udara-po-territorii-dnr-s-primeneniem-bespilotnika.html

            And you are a "passport" ... Like a passport, this is an armored plate ...

            The drone they used is some kind of handicraft with a grenade. This is not a military weapon, but local hooliganism. What can I say ... Relaxed on the line of contact. Forgot who you are dealing with? With races!
            1. bayard
              bayard 30 October 2020 13: 58
              +1
              Read carefully that message - either the unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down and fell on the EMERCOM employees by detonating, or it was a loitering ammunition diving down.
              So by all indications it is similar to this very "Thunder".
            2. Alesi13
              Alesi13 30 October 2020 19: 36
              0
              Less damage from this? Mountain shooter
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 30 October 2020 20: 00
                0
                Quote: Alesi13
                Less damage from this? Mountain shooter

                A drone with Aliexpress shouldn't be too dangerous. And his electronics are not too noise-immune, and the dynamics. We've already done a lot of protection against household drones. Not to be afraid of? That's the damage.
                1. Alesi13
                  Alesi13 30 October 2020 20: 15
                  0
                  Who cares what explodes
    4. Maz
      Maz 30 October 2020 10: 32
      0
      At the Army-2020 forum, Roseletronica showed for the first time a multifunctional mobile complex to combat drones Rat. This complex has become one of the forum's sensations. The Rat was created on the basis of a special armored vehicle and is equipped with a full range of drone detection and suppression devices to protect critical objects from unauthorized intrusion of foreign drones.

      The novelty includes a radar station, a complex for automatic recognition and suppression of telecommunication channels, a system of directed ultrahigh-frequency (microwave) suppression and a system of directed laser destruction. All equipment is integrated into a single intelligent system for collecting, processing and displaying information. Data from the means of detection and observation are sent to the central control panel, the system processes the target parameters and offers the operator several options for further actions. The complex detects drones at a distance of up to 3,5 km, carries out directional suppression of UAV control channels within a radius of up to 2,5 km. In the event of an unauthorized intrusion of several objects, it blocks their communication and satellite navigation channels. The operator of the complex can also physically destroy the drone using a system of directed laser radiation.

      Now we are working on a new system - "Aegis". According to the developers, using special software, it will be able to distinguish an aircraft-type drone from a helicopter and aerostatic one, which will allow predicting its landing trajectory after the drone's communication channel with the control center is interrupted. That is, a drone that has lost control can be quickly found and its purpose found out. In addition, the system is capable of detecting and even neutralizing UAVs that operate over encrypted communication channels or jam their signal.

      Another system, ZALA ZONT, ​​suppresses signals from satellite navigation systems (GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, GALILEO) within a radius of 2 kilometers, ensuring the safety of ground teams from attacks by kamikaze drones and taking the exact coordinates of the group.

      Ruselectronics has also created a mobile version of the Ataka-Trophy anti-drone countermeasures system based on an all-terrain UAZ vehicle. The complex can identify the drone without the participation of the operator on the principle of "friend or foe" and automatically prevent unauthorized entry into the protected area. The deployment time of the complex is five minutes. The peculiarity of "Attack-Trophy" is that literally "from the wheels", without preparation and installation of equipment, it is possible to organize the protection of various objects - industrial companies, critical infrastructure, as well as places of mass gathering of people during social and sports events.

      Recently, the modernized Ataka-DBS anti-drones complex was successfully tested using a new type of antennas. The results showed that the range of the complex increased almost 2 times in terms of detection and 2,5 times in terms of suppression. The complex is based on radio frequency detection and suppression modules. The equipment is capable of automatically detecting a drone within 0,1 seconds, identifying an object according to the "friend or foe" principle, blocking its communication and navigation channels.
      the Sapsan-Bekas system is a mobile multifunctional complex using both passive and active detection means. In addition to radar systems, the complex includes optical-electronic surveillance for drones, a visible spectrum video camera and a thermal imager. The range of drones recognition by optical means is up to four kilometers. The range of suppression of control and navigation channels of unmanned aerial vehicles is up to four km, depending on the configuration and appearance of the protected object and tactics of use. In addition, the complex can act as a target designation tool for other electronic warfare and air defense systems, conduct circular observation or scan a given sector.

      Another portable UAV detection and countermeasure complex "Luch-PRO" can be deployed within five minutes and used even from unprepared positions. It detects drones and creates interference, jamming control and navigation channels in a given sector at a distance of at least five kilometers.
      1. Alesi13
        Alesi13 30 October 2020 20: 16
        0
        Hurray, can I shout?
  2. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 09: 56
    0
    The quadcopter provides takeoff to the desired altitude, additional reconnaissance is carried out and a gliding bomb is launched. Interesting, original concept.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 30 October 2020 18: 47
      -1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Interesting, original concept.

      Interesting, if the ukraine hadn't been sealed to it. With this fucking tile, Only performance characteristics, only a system of tactical use
  3. Garm
    Garm 30 October 2020 10: 07
    +4
    As the aerodynamics of this design is in doubt. I wonder how strong the wind must be in order to blow this quadcopter with an attached gliding bomb with non-retractable wings?
  4. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 30 October 2020 10: 12
    +7
    From the experience of operating a quadrocopter:
    - battery weight - half the weight of the copter
    - battery charge lasts for 15-20 minutes (i.e. one rise)
    - 5 spare sets of batteries - that's 1.2 hours of flight
    - charging 1 set 2 hours

    The conclusion is that it is a very questionable launch method for military exploitation.
    An inertial catapult or a start with a powder accelerator is more reliable and easier to perform.
    You don't have to carry a generator with you and get bored while waiting for the batteries to charge.
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 October 2020 10: 22
      +1
      With a catapult or an accelerator, he will not be able to patrol
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 30 October 2020 10: 38
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        With a catapult or an accelerator, he will not be able to patrol


        Yes, why would?
        The upper stage throws a height of 500-1000 m and fires back, then the main engine works out regularly. The powder booster is the simplest thing, reliable, unlike octocopters - it does not require recharging, does not depend on the ambient temperature (in cold weather, batteries lose their efficiency by half).
        1. Avior
          Avior 30 October 2020 10: 42
          +1
          The copter acts as a repeater.
          Increases and reduces the cost of control stability.
          There are no unmasking signs during takeoff.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 30 October 2020 10: 53
            +3
            Quote: Avior
            The copter acts as a repeater.


            If you had the opportunity to work with quadcoters, you knew that a completely new battery, at an ideal temperature, will provide 20 minutes of flight (in a year - 15 minutes, in two years - 10 minutes), at a temperature of minus twenty degrees - 10 minutes.
            Restrictions on weather conditions - wind no higher than 15-20 m / s.
            The rain is a little harder than drizzling, making flight impossible, and attaching a battery with wet contacts is damn fun (close / not close).

            Powder boosters are spared all this.

            In general, this is an idea of ​​how to replace long-proven ideas with an "innovative" start that is not suitable for military use.
            This is typical of young engineers who are not burdened with experience and who have a poor understanding of the conditions and features of military exploitation.
            1. Avior
              Avior 30 October 2020 11: 02
              -1
              Had the opportunity and repeatedly.
              I do not know specifically about the design of the terminals and other things for this type of copter.
              They may well be not sensitive, on an extreme umbrella or a mini-tent, maybe this is not a problem.
              We have had Mavic 2 for two years, we don't see that it will last for 10 minutes.
              I think there is something based on a cargo copter.
              How do they cope with frost and wind.
              20 meters per second is already a strong wind, this does not happen often.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 10: 29
      +3
      Tests are needed for evaluation, this is how I understand the concept. More confused by the complexity of the launch. It's easier to just launch a quadcopter and use it as ammunition.
      Quadrocopter kamikaze drones are already being tested in battles. Kargu-2.

      From 55 seconds
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 30 October 2020 10: 42
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        It's easier to just launch a quadcopter and use it as ammunition.
        Quadrocopter kamikaze drones are already being tested in battles. Kargu-2.


        You have to be a very rich country to crash a drone entirely.
        But we will limit ourselves to this - to give engineering ideas to the unfriendly regime of Ukraine, but not at all ...
        Let's make a lifting drone :)
        And the picture is missing the fourth fighter - the generator carrier :)
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 10: 53
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          You have to be a very rich country to crash a drone entirely.

          Well, they are not so expensive. ATGM of the 3rd generation is definitely much more expensive, within the price range of ATGM of the 2nd generation. The advantage of the quadcopter version of versatility, you can use it as a scout, but noisy.
          And so a reusable aircraft-type drone with 1 bomb (conditional MAM-L / C) asks for.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 30 October 2020 11: 04
            +3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            And so a reusable aircraft-type drone with 1 bomb (conditional MAM-L / C) asks for.

            True observation.
            Please note that the video of Azerbaijani drones shows 85% of all crashed drones on stationary (stationary) objects.
            Well, this is irrational, to break the guidance system, communications, glider and engine, for years from a dive, you can separate a submunition in the amount of 120 mm mines or similar power and achieve accurate destruction of stationary objects.

            I look at the shots of the destruction of the weapon, the patrolling ammunition - the score is 0: 0 - the comparable price of the weapon to the target (an old Soviet-made weapon).
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 11: 32
              0
              Conditional ThunderB on a pickup with 1-2 MAM-C (6,5 kg) The Turks announced MAM-M, logically, it should be between C and L (6,5-22 kg)


              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              I look at the footage of the destruction of the gun,

              It feels like MAM-L works more in extreme videos, the striking element flies too quickly.
    3. Bogatyrev
      Bogatyrev 31 October 2020 22: 17
      0
      The starting scheme is not bad. The main point of the copter is not in the launch, but in the repeater, which provides stable communication. But it would be more logical to power it through a cable, not a battery. If it is enough for 15-20 minutes, and the ammunition loiters for 60 minutes, then its application time is already limited by the repeater battery.
  5. paco.soto
    paco.soto 30 October 2020 10: 14
    -1
    I immediately checked their "cartoon" on the Internet. On their website: more than 250 aircraft have been made for the army since 2013, with a staff of 30 people.
    The thermobaric striker is an advantage for urban combat.
    https://athlonavia.com/en/home/
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 30 October 2020 10: 17
    0
    Normally, Ukraine is already releasing kamikaze drones.We will again hear about what funds have been invested, how ahead of the whole planet, # there are no analogs in the world
    1. KCA
      KCA 30 October 2020 10: 44
      0
      What does the "Lancet" from Kalashnikov do not suit you?
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 30 October 2020 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: KCA
        What does the "Lancet" from Kalashnikov do not suit you?

        The only claim to "Lancet" is that it is not in the army.
        1. KCA
          KCA 30 October 2020 10: 58
          -2
          It is not a fact that Kalashnikov completed the tests, could have been transferred to the troops for state tests, which means they could have been used somewhere in Syria. SU-25, for example, flew to Afghanistan in the course of the state, and serial production began before the end of the state
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 30 October 2020 11: 37
        +1
        Quote: KCA
        Lancet "from Kalashnikov, what does not suit you?

        How many units have entered the troops now? How much has our Defense Ministry undertaken to purchase?
        1. KCA
          KCA 30 October 2020 11: 58
          -2
          Now I'll call Shoigu, find out why he didn't report
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 30 October 2020 12: 02
            0
            Quote: KCA
            Now I'll call Shoigu, find out why he didn't report

            Now, humor is a good sign, no more
            And when ours in Syria were sent to bomb Sukhiye Barmaleev, it was possible to get by with the UAV, much cheaper and easier
            1. KCA
              KCA 30 October 2020 12: 27
              +2
              So the SU-24 has a bomb load of 8000 kg, it was bombed with ordinary FAB cast iron, high-precision only in special cases, I can't even calculate approximately how many UAVs and weapons they would need to do the amount of work that Sushka does at one time. What would the liberoids say if they found out that instead of 8000 kg of cast iron, which, in general, could have been recycled, the destruction of a barn from a dung would cost several million dollars
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 30 October 2020 14: 34
                0
                Quote: KCA
                instead of 8000 kg of cast iron, which, in general, may have been recycled, the destruction of a barn made of dung would cost several million dollars

                So in order not to pour THOUSAND TONS of cast iron (they also cost money, taking into account the operation of the aircraft, pilot training, operation of the airfield, fuel, the aircraft themselves) and there are precision weapons.
                1. KCA
                  KCA 30 October 2020 15: 16
                  0
                  The cost of 8000kg FAB, which probably went for write-off, is less than the cost of a drone that can be shot down from a machine gun or SVD, and the cost of missiles on a drone, if not a kamikaze, is not comparable, and there is no need to train pilots? Better to throw off the blanks at the polygons, right?
                  Or how do Americans shoot hundreds of high-precision Tomahawks worth over a million dollars apiece? Whoever shouts first is better off given to pensioners
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2020 10: 28
    +1
    aleksejkabanets (Alexey)
    today it is quite an economically developed anti-Russian state.
    There is no dispute that it is anti-Russian, but the fact that it is economically developed is a big question. And the further, the worse, no matter how many Western loans are hung on their neck.
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 October 2020 10: 46
      +2
      An article was recently about this.
      The share of Ukraine's public debt in GDP in recent years has decreased from more than 80 percent of GDP to 50.
      1. Vovk
        Vovk 30 October 2020 16: 15
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        An article was recently about this.
        The share of Ukraine's public debt in GDP in recent years has decreased from more than 80 percent of GDP to 50.

        But at what cost? Bucks skyrocketed from UAH 8 to UAH 27, which pulled food prices up by 3 times on average, a tenfold increase in communal apartments, and generally keep quiet about heat. Pensions are frozen and not indexed, salaries of state employees in all spheres have been bluntly cut. It is easier for people to buy life items for up to 100 euros through Alliexpress. due to taxes, the price markup in Ukraine is three times higher.
        We do not trade in gas and oil, all due to the robbery of the budget of Ukraine, the payment of state debts and the tax burden were stupidly thrown at ordinary people.
        1. Avior
          Avior 31 October 2020 08: 41
          0
          All this was also compared and discussed here. You are writing about problems five years ago.
          Minimum and average wages in Ukraine have tripled over the past five years, and they are constantly growing.
          https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
          For the first time in history, the minimum wage in Ukraine has caught up with the Russian one.
          Pensions are also indexed, although in general the level of pensions is much lower than wages.
          1. Avior
            Avior 31 October 2020 09: 27
            -1
            It seemed that the post was erased, I had to retype it.
          2. boris epstein
            boris epstein 31 October 2020 16: 52
            0
            So, tariffs for housing and communal services and prices for food have doubled in the last 2 months alone, and how many times have prices increased over the last 2 (five) years? Bread cost 5 UAH 4 grams, now it is 800 UAH, chicken legs cost 12-20 UAH per kg, now it's 24 UAH and don't come cheaper, sugar cost 40 UAH, now it's 6 UAH, mackerel cost 18-32 UAH, now it's 34 -75 UAH. The tariff for gas for the population has doubled in the last 78 months alone (this is the cost of gas only, and here is also the cost of delivery and distribution). The tariff for water this year has increased by 2% (it was 2 UAH per cubic meter , became UAH 30-27) and further growth is predicted. Electricity tariffs are forecast to rise from November 35. The budget money intended for the fight against coronavirus and cancer is being redirected to "repair roads" for cutting. Elderly people over the age of 38 are not admitted to hospitals. On the indexation of pensions. They promised that this year they will introduce an additional payment for the years overworked in excess of the required length of service. Received by figs. Now the introduction of this surcharge has been postponed to July 1, 70. In general, the elections are over, and then, "promise all these scum, we will hang them later."
            1. Avior
              Avior 31 October 2020 17: 06
              -1
              Sorry, but you have not a penny truth.
              Give a link, for example, that mackerel cost 35 UAH two months ago? Or sugar for 6 hryvnia?

              The reason for the change in the gas tariff is known - winter and summer prices are different, summer prices are much lower.
              Those who wish can conclude an agreement and pay the whole year at the same price.
              There are additional payments and indexation to pensions.
              In general, I did not see a word of truth in your post ...
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 31 October 2020 17: 59
                0
                You read through the lines. Read carefully and do not juggle.
                "And how many times have prices increased over the last 5 (five) years? Bread cost UAH 4 800 grams, now it is UAH 12, chicken legs cost UAH 20-24 per kg, now it is UAH 40 and do not come cheaper, sugar cost UAH 6, now it is 18 UAH, mackerel cost 32-34 UAH, now it is 75-78 "
                This is a quote from my comment. The conversation is about FIVE years, not two months.
                And the fact that you have not seen something, that is, the saying: "Blind is not the one who does not see, but the one who DOES NOT WANT to see." The blind Nikolai Alekseevich Ostrovsky wrote the book "How the Steel Was Tempered."
                "The reason for the change in the gas tariff is known - winter and summer prices are different, summer prices are much lower."
                All wrong. Previously, the cost of transportation and distribution were INCLUDED in the tariff, now they go as separate items of payment. This year alone, Naftogaz brought a UAH 75 billion loss to Ukraine due to the unprecedented greed of Kobolev and the Naftogaz Supervisory Board, in which there are four foreigners out of 5 people. Kobolev receives 2.400 UAH per month (about $ 000), each member of the supervisory board receives $ 80 per month. And the workers of the gas companies receive up to UAH 000 per month. And there is no government on Kobolev in Ukraine. They already tried to remove him TWICE from his post. Unsuccessfully. This speaks of his high patrons from the USA. After all, even the prize from winning against Russia in Stockholm Kobolev transferred his mother to ... YUSA! Own prey killed. Now there is an idea to sell our own production to Poland.
            2. Avior
              Avior 31 October 2020 17: 33
              -1
              Looked at prices for a communal apartment
              The electricity tariff has not changed since 2017.
              The tariff for water and gas is different by city.
              https://www.prostobank.ua/spravochniki/indikatory_rynka/tarify_na_kholodnuyu_vodu
              I asked about the roads on the driver's sites. Roads are being actively built.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 31 October 2020 18: 08
                0
                "The tariff for water and gas is different by city." The tariff for cold water has been increased from 27 UAH per cubic meter to 38-42 UAH in different cities (Mariupol-42 UAH, Artemovsk-38 UAH) per cubic meter in FEBRUARY 2000. IN FEBRUARY 2000!
                1. Avior
                  Avior 31 October 2020 18: 15
                  -1
                  You have a typo, 2020.
                  I look at my link
                  ... KP "Mariupol PU VKH"
                  City

                  Tariff, (UAH per 1 m³, VAT included)

                  Tariff effective date

                  Mariupol
                  22,596

                  in t.ch.

                  water supply - 16,008

                  drainage system - 6,588

                  02.03.2020

                  I don't know why in your city the price for water in different offices differs by one and a half times, as far as I heard, because the Donbass Water takes it from the Donets and the canal goes through the DPR.
                  1. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 31 October 2020 18: 34
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                    Yes, typo 2020. But besides the Voda Donbassa company, there is also the Bakhmut-Voda company. In addition to the Seversky Donets-Donbass canal, there is also the Dnieper-Donbass canal. Yes, the canal goes to Mariupol through the DPR. But the reason for the high tariffs is not the DPR. Water goes to Artemovsk NOT VIA DNR. In addition to canals, Artemovsk takes water from Belaya Gora in Krasnoe Selo. In Artemovsk, the water tariff before FEBRUARY 2020 was UAH 27 per cubic meter, in Mariupol - UAH 29 per cubic meter. This is water supply plus drainage. In FEBRUARY 2020, water balamut (Bakhmut water) increased to 38,4 UAH per cubic meter. The population protested. Since July 10, they reduced to 35,168 UAH per cubic meter, but this is an election campaign. The mayor of Artyomovsk Reva ran for a new term. Now he won, which means he can raise again.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 31 October 2020 21: 04
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                      These are the internal problems of your city.
                      I see there according to the link that prices in many cities cost 20 UAH per cubic meter.
                      1. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 2 November 2020 12: 05
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                        Uh-huh. Especially in Kherson and Nikolaev, standing on the banks of the Dnieper, at 40 (forty) UAH per cubic meter. And the reason is where you don’t want to admit water in Ukraine is managed by AP Yatsenyuk. Before the Maidan, in 2013, the water tariff was 47 (forty seven) ukrokopeks per cubic meter, electricity was 27 (twenty seven) ukrokopeks per kW / hour. I then lived in Artemovsk, a specialist personally for you raised his bills for housing and communal services. But the dollar cost 8 (eight) UAH. And now it is 29 (twenty-nine) hryvnias with kopecks So these are the problems of my city or Ukraine in general and the Maidan in particular? So maybe something is wrong at the conservatory?
                        Speaking of water, the rivers Dnieper, Desna, Oskol, Pripyat, Vorskla, Seim, Seversky Donets, Saltov and many smaller rivers originate in Russia. Some of the rivers (for example, the Goryn) originate in Belarus. And not a single river flows from Ukraine to Russia. The reason is simple - the flow of rivers goes to the seas, that is, from top to bottom. And at the same time you deprive the inhabitants of Crimea of ​​RUSSIAN (not Ukrainian!) Water ?! And are not you afraid of Russian molecules, consuming RUSSIAN ("occupying") water? Although in this you are filthy to yourself. Due to the closure of the canal, arable lands in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions are salted and become unsuitable for agriculture
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 2 November 2020 12: 22
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                        Nikolaev is not located on the banks of the Dnieper.
                        The price for water is 11-14 hryvnia.
                        https://index.minfin.com.ua/tariff/water/nikolaev/
                      3. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 2 November 2020 12: 28
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                        Again a lie. But what about the two shipyards? By drag, are they launching ships? Also, do not assume that only you can find water tariffs in Ukraine. ALL users can do this. In general, false patriotism is in bloom.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 2 November 2020 12: 41
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                        of course they can. I gave the link to the official source. come see.
                        all over Ukraine
                        https://index.minfin.com.ua/tariff/water/
                        first column.
                        As for Nikolaev, he is on the Southern Bug, not on the Dnieper, and has always been there.
                        hi
                      5. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 3 November 2020 09: 24
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                        Watched. For all water supply companies in Ukraine. But there are subtleties. Each regional or district center has 2-3, or even more water supply companies. And there are as many main connections as there were, and there are still so many. One of the companies supplies only the city, the other - the suburbs and the district. On the example of Artemovsk, this is Bakhmut-water is a city, Water of Donbass is a district, the outskirts of the city (Mariupolskaya str., Korsunsky) and the suburbs-Stupki, Bolshaya and Malaya Ilinovka and Opytnaya. sources, why then different tariffs? There is one more subtlety. All tariffs for consumers who have installed water meters. In the absence of a water meter, the consumer is charged for 4 (four!) Cubic meters per family member. Now this is avarice beyond any shores. And the last subtlety. Because of the off-scale tariffs for water and heating, billions of dollars in debts of the population for housing and communal services are being made. By increasing tariffs, "Derzhava" is trying to shift compensation for these losses from non-payers to those who pay.
                  2. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 2 November 2020 12: 39
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                    And now about water tariffs. Kirovograd-37.65, Uzhgorod-33.96, Nikolaev-25.79, Odessa-26.72, Kherson-24.82. And this is WATER SUPPLY, without drainage. In general, water supply in all cities of Ukraine does not fall below 19 (nineteen) UAH.
                  3. Avior
                    Avior 2 November 2020 13: 21
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                    in general, you are either cheating or poorly read
                    I gave the link

                    The price for water is 11-14 hryvnia.
                    https://index.minfin.com.ua/tariff/water/nikolaev/
                    I will not bother you any further.
                    write what you want.
                    hi
                  4. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 2 November 2020 17: 36
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                    Your link is worthless on a market day.
                    Poltava, according to you, does not stand on the banks of the Vorskla, Uzhgorod does not stand on the banks of the Uzh River, Kharkov does not stand on the banks of the Saltov River, the city of Stryi does not stand on the banks of the Stryi River ...
                    Stubbornness in INTENTIONAL delusion characterizes a person not from the best side.
  • Avior
    Avior 31 October 2020 08: 47
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    You are writing about problems five years ago.
    Salaries that are average, that the minimum in five years have tripled and are constantly growing, the minimum has caught up with the Russian one.
    https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
    Non-working pensions are also indexed.
    Prices in Ukraine are not more expensive than Russian ones, what is bought on aliexpress is the whole world doing.
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 30 October 2020 10: 39
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    Cooperation with Western countries is bearing fruit. But many underestimate Ukraine. You have to be on your guard.
  • EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 30 October 2020 11: 02
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    Smiled .. The country of kamikaze, came up with the same drone.
  • flicker
    flicker 30 October 2020 11: 51
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    For some reason I remembered an old anecdote.
    Someone spent his whole life training a flea.
    He comes to the director of the circus and says:
    - here, you see a flea
    - I see, the director of the circus answers and presses the flea with his finger, so what?
    ---
    One blow from Zircon and all these attempts will be useless.
    bully
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  • flicker
    flicker 30 October 2020 13: 03
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    I wonder how many Zircons are needed for the skilled drone Israel to cease to exist? bully
  • Cirkon
    Cirkon 30 October 2020 15: 01
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    You can't win a war with drones alone, the United States is an example of that ..
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  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 30 October 2020 19: 42
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    I saw an advertisement for this "chudova litak" a year ago, at least)) Only then without a cartoon. Progress however! laughing
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  • svoit
    svoit 30 October 2020 21: 06
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    Quote: KCA
    I can’t even roughly calculate how many UAVs and weapons they would need to carry out the amount of work

    Undoubtedly, the SU-24 will be more profitable than the drone, especially if we take into account that the delivery of the power supply unit to the theater of operations, the power supply unit itself, the flight - everything is free, like the life of the pilot.
  • Torak
    Torak 1 November 2020 00: 16
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    Here is the result of cowardice and refusal to send troops to the ruin after the fascist coup in it. And then it will get even worse, it's just flowers.