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Woe to the vanquished ... What awaits Nikol Pashinyan in the event of the capture of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan

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Woe to the vanquished ... What awaits Nikol Pashinyan in the event of the capture of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan

The seizure of the entire territory of Nagorno-Karabakh by the Azerbaijani army, which does not even think of stopping its relentless attack on its defenders, is turning from the least likely scenario of the development of the conflict into a completely admissible reality. It is clear that if it is implemented, it will be a matter of a crushing military defeat not only of Stepanakert, but, first of all, of Yerevan. What does such a turn of events promise the local authorities and, first of all, the leader of the state?


Judging by the information background that we can observe today, nothing good. This is evidenced by both the comments of numerous experts and the statements of Armenian politicians regarding the Prime Minister of the country Nikol Pashinyan, which literally every day acquire an increasingly harsh and categorical tone. We can start here with the fact that it is the current head of government that a large number of compatriots (and not only them) consider the direct culprit of the fact that Azerbaijan in general decided to unleash a war.

Pashinyan is reproached for having managed to quarrel with all of Armenia's allies, or at least cool relations with them, thereby reducing the level of support for the country. That, they say, is why Aliyev, pushed by Erdogan, plucked up the courage to attack. At the same time, as you might guess, it is primarily about Russia. Calling the prime minister her enemy, of course, is by no means possible, but ...

Carried away by settling old scores with his offenders and political opponents, Pashinyan encroached on too many of those with whom Moscow had friendly and warm relations .. And at the same time, he also ignored the rather transparent hints from the Kremlin about what went too far and what time it would be temper the ardor and stop. Generally speaking, the “fight against corruption” that has turned into open repression and the personnel policy of this leader raise a lot of questions both in Armenia itself and abroad.

In this case, it is not at all good for Pashinyan that the natives of Nagorno-Karabakh and participants in the previous conflict, victorious for Armenia, became the targets of his persecution. Robert Kocharian and Serzh Sargsyan, regardless of the accusations of economic fraud or abuse of power, were perceived by Armenians as heroes of that war. Pashinyan, on the other hand, against the background of these people subjected to persecution, does not look at all the best at the moment.

As far as is known, representatives of 16 Armenian political parties called for the dissolution of the current government and the resignation of its head two weeks ago. Instead of these would-be leaders, according to politicians demanding a change of power, in the current critical situation, a special temporary committee or operational headquarters should be set up, created with the involvement of professionals, primarily the military, who may be able to turn the tide.

Open statements about Pashinyan's complete inability to hold the reins of government and effectively lead the country in wartime are being heard more and more loudly. This statement was made, for example, by one of the leaders of the National Agenda party Avetik Chalabyan. They understand that the list of those who reproach the prime minister with absolute incompetence (or even generally inappropriate behavior and almost “criminal” actions) is far from exhausted.

One can hardly doubt that the seizure of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan will be perceived by all, without exception, Armenians as a national catastrophe and a grave national disgrace. In such cases, as a rule, they do not do anywhere and never without appointing the "main culprit" for the defeat received. And, to all appearances, the candidacy for this disreputable role has not only been found, but approved. In any case, the names of other state or military leaders who could be blamed for the impending disaster (at least to the same extent as Pashinyan) are not even named in Armenia.

What will happen literally immediately after the Azerbaijani flag hovers over Stepanakert? I am sure that mass disturbances, street riots and other manifestations of popular anger are guaranteed. And here the prime minister will be very lucky if he is simply thrown out of the office or even relatively culturally arrested by the military who are putting things in order in the country, and, most likely, the matter will end with the fact that power, albeit for a while, will pass to them. In such truly dramatic and crucial moments for the whole people, overheated citizens in a fit of passions can beat them to death by storming the government residence. Examples are endless.

However, it is more likely that Pashinyan, if he is not smart enough with a very bad development of events in Nagorno-Karabakh, to leave the country in advance or at least take refuge in the US embassy, ​​can expect a trial at which all those who not so long ago found themselves behind bars by his grace. But the question in this case will not be about "corruption", but about betrayal of national interests, the collapse of defense capabilities and the like, which may result in an extremely harsh sentence.

One thing can be said with full confidence: the chances of staying in power for Nikol Pashinyan are extremely low already now. In the event of a military victory of Azerbaijan, he will need to worry no longer about the prime minister's chair, but about the preservation of life and freedom.
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  1. fn34440
    fn34440 30 October 2020 18: 10
    32
    , IN AND. Lenin in his work "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power" (v. 34, p. 315) wrote: "We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook is NOT able to immediately take over the government. On this we agreed with the academicians , and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli ".
    The Armenians should have read Lenin. Their education has dropped dramatically since 1991.
    Therefore, they fell into their trap. West.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 30 October 2020 18: 19
      31
      Pashinyan did not finish school ... They kicked out of the journalism faculty ...
      Sincerely
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 30 October 2020 18: 24
        38
        "Pashinyan did not finish school ... They kicked him out of the journalism department."
        So is V.I. Lenin about the same, contrary to the myth, "any cook can run the state."
        Won the Stavropol kmbayner ruled.
        Now Pilipchuk (Tihanovskaya) is trying to manage. With respect
        1. the finish
          the finish 30 October 2020 18: 44
          18
          After the velvet revolution in Armenia, when Pashinyan just started talking about the vision of his candidacy for prime minister, his father himself was against it and warned more competent people to become prime minister, the people were euphoric that they threw off, although the former heroes of the first war, but stayed too late, keeping their word and corrupt. By the way, under them, and not under Pashinyan, the Soros offices flourished for many years, and all of you unfairly blame Pashinyan for this. For me, Karen Karapetyan (Vest) from Gazprom would be or remain so the best.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 31 October 2020 11: 56
            +6
            What awaits Nikol Pashinyan in the event of the capture of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan
            It is not difficult to predict what awaits Pashinyan: removal and trial (if he does not have time to escape like Saakashvili). Armenia will face the shame of defeat. THE BIGGEST question is WHAT awaits the Karabakh Armenians, whose fate the half-educated journalist Pashinyan has played awkwardly ...
            It seems that Soros played unsuccessfully here and lost.
            1. the finish
              the finish 31 October 2020 12: 21
              -3
              Bedny Soros, like Chubais, is to blame for everything, even if not aisles!
            2. 210ox
              210ox 31 October 2020 17: 20
              +2
              Nothing awaits him. Dumped to France. He doesn't care about Armenia. Fucking populist.
            3. kulinar
              kulinar 31 October 2020 17: 40
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              [B]
              It seems that Soros played unsuccessfully here and lost.

              Not a fact.
              We do not know what the task was.
              Maybe he won.
              As for the Armenians of Karabakh ...
              Are you worried about the problems of the Tutsi tribe after being captured by another tribe in Rwanda?
              They did not want to live in peace with Russia, so you will get it in full growth!
            4. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 31 October 2020 21: 57
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              It is not difficult to predict what awaits Pashinyan: withdrawal and trial

              Mishiko survived it ... and even became more famous smile
            5. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 1 November 2020 16: 03
              +1
              NKR was betrayed by Armenia itself ...
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 30 October 2020 18: 52
          34
          "Stavropol Combiner", for a minute, received his legal education at Moscow State University and graduated from the economics department of the Stavropol agricultural enterprise. So, being a bastard, I was not a fool. hi
          1. fn34440
            fn34440 30 October 2020 19: 28
            12
            "The Stavropol combine operator ....... being a bastard, he was not a fool."
            “The mentality of a cook” cannot be ruined even by ten higher educations. The fatal mistake of the "personnel department" of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
            1. WayKheThuo
              WayKheThuo 30 October 2020 22: 14
              15
              The fatal mistake of the "personnel department" of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

              People, come to your senses, what mistake? The entire Central Committee of the CPSU, together with the party, has successfully "matured", or, more simply, has rotted in the bud, and Gorbachev is just a litmus test.
              In turn, the apotheosis of the final transformation of the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union into a bunch of diseases on the head on the one hand, and a gang of traitors on the other - this is the State Emergency Committee.
              How has the "new type party" degraded in just 70 years ?!
              And you say: "Gorbachev ..."
              It was not even a counter-revolution - it was just that the canaries finished off communism, as Mayakovsky had predicted.
              It was not for nothing that the people did not accept any of the holidays of the "new time", for the people are do * ak-do * ak, but you cannot fool them and they see the essence better than many.
              I think so.
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 31 October 2020 04: 24
                +8
                Quote: WayKhe Thuo
                The fatal mistake of the "personnel department" of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

                People, come to your senses, what mistake? The entire Central Committee of the CPSU, together with the party, has successfully "matured", or, more simply, has rotted in the bud, and Gorbachev is just a litmus test.
                In turn, the apotheosis of the final transformation of the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union into a bunch of diseases on the head on the one hand, and a gang of traitors on the other - this is the State Emergency Committee.
                How has the "new type party" degraded in just 70 years ?!
                And you say: "Gorbachev ..."
                It was not even a counter-revolution - it was just that the canaries finished off communism, as Mayakovsky had predicted.
                It was not for nothing that the people did not accept any of the holidays of the "new time", for the people are do * ak-do * ak, but you cannot fool them and they see the essence better than many.
                I think so.

                Subtly laid lies about 70 years, subtly. The party began to rot from the moment Kukuruznik arrived. Comrade Stalin did not succeed in completely cleaning out the Trotskyist nits.
                1. WayKheThuo
                  WayKheThuo 31 October 2020 11: 10
                  +7
                  I have one, quite one simple question - who brought Kukuruznik to the party? Who gave him recommendations? Who covered his endless shoals? Or did the Chief not see, hear and know? And how many of these "maize" were in the party at all its levels?
                  Stalin was only human. An ordinary, normal, honest person who loves his country and the multinational Soviet people. He was not the Messiah, he was not omniscient, and he was mortal.
                  I cannot assess the activities of the Leader, because I did not manage the smoking ruins of the former Empire after a four-year civil war, surrounded by a dense ring of enemies, while having a crowd of young men, the same age as the age, who know nothing but kill. Somehow it didn't work out for me.
                  That is why I try to be very restrained in assessing the activities of the CPSU and the Supreme - not my level of assessment.
                  Nevertheless, for me personally, it is obvious that, being an ordinary person, Stalin surrounded himself with people with whom conveniently work. And it's hard to blame him. Stalin was comfortable with these people, many of whom (not all !!!) had nothing in their heads except corn, because such performers are a treasure for a purposeful leader who know, what to do. And most importantly - makes and does it quickly, because he simply did not have time to discuss with employees with an overestimated HSP.
                  And Stalin did, did as he saw fit and did very, very much, but he did not last forever. And being mortal, as Captain Obvious says, he died, but the rep-heads remained.
                  What happened next? Everything is very simple - the very ones that are comfortable and which, with a pumpkin instead of a head, instantly turned into cancer cells, which gave metastases, which completely devoured the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but decay began long before Dzhugashvili's death, for many in the field, seeing what was happening in the capitals, picked up people based on the principle of convenience, but not everyone on the ground was as responsible as the Leader.
                  By the way, we see a very similar picture now - we have Radiant, who has surrounded himself with brother-friends, with whom he is comfortable and more or less reliable. Only now their goal is somewhat different, significantly different from the one set for himself by a person whose name they try not to mention even on Victory Day.
                  So it goes.
                  1. Nitochkin
                    Nitochkin 31 October 2020 16: 38
                    -6
                    Quote: WayKhe Thuo
                    I have one, quite one simple question - who brought Kukuruznik to the party? Who gave him recommendations? Who covered his endless shoals? Or did the Chief not see, hear and know? And how many of these "maize" were in the party at all its levels?
                    Stalin was only human. An ordinary, normal, honest person who loves his country and the multinational Soviet people. He was not the Messiah, he was not omniscient, and he was mortal.
                    I cannot assess the activities of the Leader, because I did not manage the smoking ruins of the former Empire after a four-year civil war, surrounded by a dense ring of enemies, while having a crowd of young men, the same age as the age, who know nothing but kill. Somehow it didn't work out for me.
                    That is why I try to be very restrained in assessing the activities of the CPSU and the Supreme - not my level of assessment.
                    Nevertheless, for me personally, it is obvious that, being an ordinary person, Stalin surrounded himself with people with whom conveniently work. And it's hard to blame him. Stalin was comfortable with these people, many of whom (not all !!!) had nothing in their heads except corn, because such performers are a treasure for a purposeful leader who know, what to do. And most importantly - makes and does it quickly, because he simply did not have time to discuss with employees with an overestimated HSP.
                    And Stalin did, did as he saw fit and did very, very much, but he did not last forever. And being mortal, as Captain Obvious says, he died, but the rep-heads remained.
                    What happened next? Everything is very simple - the very ones that are comfortable and which, with a pumpkin instead of a head, instantly turned into cancer cells, which gave metastases, which completely devoured the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but decay began long before Dzhugashvili's death, for many in the field, seeing what was happening in the capitals, picked up people based on the principle of convenience, but not everyone on the ground was as responsible as the Leader.
                    By the way, we see a very similar picture now - we have Radiant, who has surrounded himself with brother-friends, with whom he is comfortable and more or less reliable. Only now their goal is somewhat different, significantly different from the one set for himself by a person whose name they try not to mention even on Victory Day.
                    So it goes.


                    In the magazine "Crocodile" there was a section "Pitchfork to the side". So here's to you, to your nonsense, E. Spitsin in the side:
                    1. WayKheThuo
                      WayKheThuo 31 October 2020 17: 38
                      +8
                      Minus you, Nitochkin for:
                      1. Poking
                      2. Copying the entire text without even reading it.
                      3. Inability to use links to primary sources - teach materiel.
                      4. Lack of your own thoughts.
                      Breathe evenly, Nitochkin, don't overheat.
                      1. Nitochkin
                        Nitochkin 1 November 2020 05: 59
                        -5
                        Quote: WayKhe Thuo
                        Minus you, Nitochkin for:
                        1. Poking
                        2. Copying the entire text without even reading it.
                        3. Inability to use links to primary sources - teach materiel.
                        4. Lack of your own thoughts.
                        Breathe evenly, Nitochkin, don't overheat.

                        Printed, so sealed, bgg. I recognize a typical liberal, an adherent of the under-poisoned Fuhrer of rubber ducks, BGG.
                  2. Seal
                    Seal 1 November 2020 15: 29
                    +1
                    Nevertheless, for me personally, it is obvious that, being an ordinary person, Stalin surrounded himself with people with whom it is convenient to work.
                    This is unlikely. JV Stalin, of course, like any other leader, preferred people with whom he was comfortable working. But his comfortable fools quickly ran out of confidence. Although, of course, I understand that not all. Some people dared to avoid this fate. At the same time, under J.V. Stalin, they worked, albeit inconvenient, but smart.
                    1. WayKheThuo
                      WayKheThuo 1 November 2020 18: 13
                      +1
                      "Convenient" doesn't mean "stupid." Moreover, the concept of "convenient" for each type of leader is different: someone prefers to work out a common solution as a result of lengthy discussions, and someone wants to his orders were carried out unquestioningly and on time. But in case "We have to cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it or we will be crushed." no time for long discussions - it is necessary to do business here.
                      Moreover, the very approach to governing the country had to be changed. After all, as planned: there will be a world revolution, the advanced capitalist countries (Germany in the first place) will become part of the new world of workers and peasants, and then we will bring Russia to the required level, but everything turned out very badly.
                      In fact, in the mid-20s, the Bolsheviks got a backward, ruined by two wars, inhabited by an illiterate multinational people, an agrarian country. But I dreamed differently - I dreamed of running a world state of workers and peasants from Zurich, for example, or Berlin. I dreamed, relying on industrial Europe, to pull all these muhosr @ naski to a normal level, but here such a bummer - we have to do everything ourselves. Actually from scratch.
                      This cognitive dissonance runs like a red line not only in pre-war literary works from Virgin Soil Upturned to Aelita, but also very subtly noted by Mikhalkov in the film "One among strangers, a stranger among friends" - there was such a red commander - a fire man.
                      To complete the assigned tasks, Stalin needed a team of like-minded people. And he created it and, obviously, created it.
                      Only now it is not clear why the like-minded people "leaked" Stalin after his death in less than 10 years, completely deleting the name of the Leader from all more or less public discussions. Condemned, stamped "bad guy" and shelved.
                      Such are like-minded people, damn it.
                      Or maybe not like-minded people at all? Maybe they are just smart, quick, chameleons who can correctly insert a word and file paper?
                      The chameleons who, with the hands of Kukuruznik, "buried" the idea of ​​a permanent technological advanced development of the country, and made it the cornerstone of "catching up and overtaking America in milk and meat", chameleons who put the country into hibernation for 20 - 25 years and profited everything that was possible , although back in the early 60s there were several reports from the State Planning Committee and the USSR Academy of Sciences simply yelling: "We are lagging behind! We are falling behind, your leg!" then the nomenclature provision of everything and everyone.
                      Or maybe not all chameleons are just people tired. Tired of fighting, tired of plowing from dawn to dawn, tired of being afraid of the almighty NKVD - I wanted to live for myself - after all, the beginning of stagnation is somewhere in the late-mid 60s, just the retirement age for those who started with Lenin and continued with Stalin. So we lived in a stagnant pool ...
                      As for me - the history of "Stalin's Falcons", and most importantly - the reason why these "falcons" began to shit so actively in their own nest - an extremely interesting and curious topic, a detailed analysis of which could give an answer not only to the questions of today, but also to look into our future, because "... today in tomorrow not everyone can look; or rather, not only everyone can look, few can do it"
                      I think so.
            2. yehat2
              yehat2 30 October 2020 22: 19
              14
              Gorbachev, firstly, had an IQ according to experts at the level of 95 points on a scale adapted to residents of the USSR (the average citizen of the USSR had an IQ of about 110 on the American scale)
              Those. his thinking abilities were slightly below secondary and he received an education so that he could talk a lot, but there was no serious knowledge and understanding of important things.
              For example, by reservations, it is obvious that he did NOT know Marx's capital or Lenin's works, which for a worker of his specificity and level looks extremely strange. I did not study Stalin's works and this directly influenced his behavior.
              The next point is the report from the KGB. He was not recommended to be promoted along the party line, tk. believed that such a weak-willed person could do trouble there.
              And the last thing is his Raisa Maksimovna. This woman, I don't want to call her a woman, completely imposed on Gorbachev a philistine view of everything that is not permissible for a person who seriously affects the lives of millions.
              If at least one of the points I listed were different, more positive, Gorbachev would not have ruined the USSR. Do not think that the USSR did not fall apart without his help, but it could be at least not so catastrophic. As a result of this process, the countries of the Warsaw Pact and the CMEA lost from 1 to 1985 more than 1998 million of the population from the expectations of sociologists.
              Compare with what Hitler did.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 October 2020 19: 40
            16
            Quote: Captive
            So, being a bastard, I was not a fool.

            Naturally, fools were not taken as traitors.
          3. nobody75
            nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 15
            +4
            Graduated from the Faculty of Economics of the Stavropol Agriculture

            There, an interesting diploma specialty (I read it in Izvestia of the Central Committee of the CPSU) - "Scientist Agronomist - Economist".
            Sincerely
          4. sevtrash
            sevtrash 30 October 2020 20: 34
            +9
            Quote: Captive
            "Stavropol Combiner", for a minute, received his legal education at Moscow State University and graduated from the economics department of the Stavropol agricultural enterprise. So, being a bastard, I was not a fool.

            Was not you a fool? In the 80s, two guys made a home-made car, which looked good against the background of the products of the domestic car industry, there was a program on central TV dedicated to such things and Gorbachev either watched or Raisa Maksimovna watched. As a result, in Leningrad, these inventors were allocated premises since Gorbachev, the combine operator, decided that they could show how to overtake the German auto industry, it seemed, it was about Mercedes. Can you imagine the level of "thinking" of the then leader, his level of understanding of how a high-tech product is made? Fool's level, not otherwise.
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 30 October 2020 23: 41
              +4
              Quote: sevtrash
              how is a high-tech product made?

              In fairness, a high-tech product was made. And it is not Parfenov and Khainov's fault that their developments did not go widely into the series. But there was small-scale production, and some copies are still in circulation. By the way, now Parfenov decided to bring to mind Laura-2 standing in his basement. Even now, the machine looks awesome. The Kombat Cru and Kombat Cru Life channels on YouTube will help you.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 31 October 2020 10: 40
                +3
                Quote: ZAV69
                In fairness, a high-tech product was made. And it is not Parfenov and Khainov's fault that their developments did not go widely into the series. But there was small-scale production, and some copies are still in circulation. By the way, now Parfenov decided to bring to mind Laura-2 standing in his basement.

                Do you seriously think that you can make a modern car in a basement? Can you imagine the cycle of creating a car? Two people and a basement will replace the design office, the development and creation of technology for the production of an economical and powerful engine, chassis, transmission, steering, etc. etc.? In the basement, you can assemble a car from spare parts, maybe the only thing that will be your own is the body, which, of course, will be inferior in all qualities from the factory, from the level of aerodynamic resistance and safety in case of accidents to the quality of painting.
                1. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 1 November 2020 12: 56
                  +1
                  Have you tried to study a question or are you trying to read the mantras about the superiority of a team of professionals here? Snobbery from you and rushing.
          5. vitvit123
            vitvit123 30 October 2020 22: 10
            0
            If not, then a traitor.
          6. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 30 October 2020 23: 19
            +8
            Dear Ayrat, you are an idealist. A diploma is not a sign of intelligence, 90 percent of diplomas are dull (satisfactory). "Gorby" is certainly not dullness in politics, he is "brown"
            spot for the peoples of the USSR.
          7. kulinar
            kulinar 31 October 2020 17: 41
            +1
            Quote: Captive
            "Stavropol Combiner", for a minute, received his legal education at Moscow State University and graduated from the economics department of the Stavropol agricultural enterprise. So, being a bastard, I was not a fool. hi

            Until now, bitch, the sky smokes ...
            Devils in hell put him on truancy ...
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 October 2020 19: 38
          12
          Quote: fn34440
          Won the Stavropol kmbayner ruled.

          He is such a "combiner" as my yard Tuzik - a wolfhound. From 13 years old, a complete lie. Those who lived in the village and worked on a collective farm know very well that life, and what an assistant to a combine operator is. Or someone from the 5 columns dragged him to the "throne". Burn him in a "fiery hyena".
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 17
            +3
            Or someone from the 5 columns dragged him to the "throne". Burn him in a "fiery hyena"

            Are you talking about Yu. V. Andropov? He "dragged out" ... Oh, it was not easy there ...
            Sincerely
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 30 October 2020 20: 37
              +1
              Quote: nobody75
              Oh, it was not easy there ...

              Of course not easy. Why I wrote from the age of 13, everything was no longer easy.
        4. TulaTokarev
          TulaTokarev 30 October 2020 21: 19
          -18 qualifying.
          And what did the combine not please you? Without him, for such scribbles, in the morning they would have taken a canal to dig from the Yenisei to the Dnieper. The fact that he was weak-willed was one thing, but he understood the farm, because he started on a combine, and not at the Higher School of Economics. There the entire Politburo was sitting and cheeks puffed out, but they made him the last.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 31 October 2020 09: 10
            -2
            You can't even grumble in the kitchen! Immediately the Gebulniks begin to snatch their police state ... And so the Union collapsed ...
            1. TulaTokarev
              TulaTokarev 1 November 2020 16: 00
              -3
              Nice clip! I just wondered if this SINGER RTOM would have had their front teeth removed in the pre-trial detention center, at the stage or already in the institution? I can even imagine how after the stage, together with the gay band, they take him to the godfather, and he has a clip of this clip on the video)))
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 12
                -1
                Sorry, I just didn't understand half of the terms ... Even Google translator didn't help, which is strange ...
                Sincerely
    2. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2020 18: 40
      51
      The multi-vector approach will cost the Armenians a dear price. A week ago I bought a sofa, delivered the Armenian Armen, full of urapatriotism, drowned for a multi-vector approach, for Pashinyan, threatened to win EVERYONE, kicked Russia for selling weapons to Azerbaijan, did not rush to the front. What for? He feels good in Moscow too. But Russia is to blame for everything.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 30 October 2020 19: 08
        28
        Quote: Bearded
        the sofa, delivered by the Armenian Armen, full of urapatriotism, drowned for the multi-vector, for Pashinyan, threatened to win EVERYONE, kicked Russia for selling weapons to Azerbaijan, did not rush to the front. What for? He feels good in Moscow too. But Russia is to blame for everything.

        You should have invited the Azerbaijanis to unload the sofa winked
        1. Machito
          Machito 30 October 2020 19: 14
          17
          They would unload together: money does not smell. To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 30 October 2020 19: 15
            +6
            Quote: Bearded
            They would unload together: money does not smell. To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear.

            At least not heard
            Quote: Bearded
            Armenian Armen, full of urapatriotism, drowned for multi-vector, for Pashinyan, threatened to win EVERYONE,
        2. maiman61
          maiman61 30 October 2020 20: 34
          +3
          Ay! Well done! Laughed!
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 30 October 2020 23: 24
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: Bearded
          the sofa, delivered by the Armenian Armen, full of urapatriotism, drowned for the multi-vector, for Pashinyan, threatened to win EVERYONE, kicked Russia for selling weapons to Azerbaijan, did not rush to the front. What for? He feels good in Moscow too. But Russia is to blame for everything.

          You should have invited the Azerbaijanis to unload the sofa winked

          For moderators (vegetable Horseradish) --- "Horseradish, radish is not sweeter ..."
          variations of this proverb are possible ... flight of obscene imagination hi
    3. deniso
      deniso 30 October 2020 19: 33
      20
      A lesson to the Armenians, they fell under the United States and here is the result. The loss of Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenia's payment for betraying Russia. Armenians, why did your Americans help you? Let's remember, Well, son, did your Poles help you? If you continue to lie under the United States, the Azerbaijanis will chop off something else.
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 30 October 2020 20: 38
        22
        Quote: denis obuckov
        A lesson to the Armenians, they fell under the United States and here is the result.

        Lesson, but no good. Georgia fell under the amers - Abkhazia and South Ossetia fell off.
        Ukraine climbed into the same sleigh - Crimea came off. Who else is pressing the boundaries? Uncle Sam is waiting with open arms.
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 30 October 2020 20: 57
          +6
          Quote: sedoj
          Quote: denis obuckov
          A lesson to the Armenians, they fell under the United States and here is the result.

          Lesson, but no good. Georgia fell under the amers - Abkhazia and South Ossetia fell off.
          Ukraine climbed into the same sleigh - Crimea came off. Who else is pressing the boundaries? Uncle Sam is waiting with open arms.

          The chronology and the accompanying layout are presented briefly and accurately. yes Apparently hesitates and does not believe his happiness and is ready to scratch his head on our back again and again. yes
      2. MTN
        MTN 30 October 2020 22: 53
        +8
        Quote: denis obuckov
        A lesson to the Armenians, they fell under the United States and here is the result.

        Generally, the Armenians should understand that they and in their lobby every US president promises to recognize genocide before the elections, but when the time comes they are replaced by the word tragedy. The US authorities care about their national interests, not the interests of Armenians. It is ruled by Jews and their lads represented by influential bankers, politicians, big businessmen, heads of corporations and so on. There is no invitation to Armenians in this club.

        Quote: denis obuckov
        If you continue to lie under the United States, the Azerbaijanis will chop off something else.

        It depends on how much they lie. And they won't be able to lie down. Armenia is strongly dependent on Russia not only from a military point of view, but also economically, and much of Armenia's infrastructure belongs to Russia, as well as a huge debt in the person of Russia, and most importantly, the notorious independence of Armenia, and after this war, it will definitely be even more dependent on Russia. Armenia was created by Russia. Fighting the Persians and Turks. Giving them land and country, in return, loyalty to the Russian Empire. Peter left a will on this issue and it was respected even during the Soviet era. Resettlement of Armenians from Persia and Turkey to this region, as well as the transfer of the local population from Armenia to Azerbaijan.

        The Kremlin is obliged to keep the leverage on these lost sons. The more Armenians are against Russia, the more chance they have for Azerbaijan to create a corridor to Armenia. But there is another side to this coin. The more Armenia is at enmity with Azerbaijan, the worse Armenia will be. Blockade, migration, economic downturn and shielded from all international projects. And they could live normally. Russia gave you Armenia, you have already determined yourself. How much longer will you self-determine? They don't live on their own and don't allow their neighbors to live properly.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 13
          -3
          It was all of you, the KGB aliyevs, who brought the poor Armenians to such a life
          Sincerely
          1. MTN
            MTN 31 October 2020 07: 33
            +3
            Quote: nobody75
            It was all of you, the KGB aliyevs, who brought the poor Armenians to such a life

            You forgot to tick POVERTY.
        2. Vsepomni
          Vsepomni 31 October 2020 09: 43
          0
          Check out Phillip Exoianz. He describes the Armenians from the inside. And you will understand. A nation without a past and a future. Without a homeland. We would live peacefully. Not self-determined and there would be no such horror
        3. Seal
          Seal 1 November 2020 15: 38
          +3
          Peter left a will on this issue
          And what, after all, in writing?
          Armenia is highly dependent on Russia not only from a military point of view, but also economically
          And from the USA?
          Kirk Kerkorian (USA) is the richest Armenian in the world. Founder and President of Tracinda Corporation, one of the largest corporations in the United States. In 1978, Time magazine named Kirk Kerkorian the country's most successful entrepreneur. Kerkorian owned shares in the car companies Chrysler and Ford Motor Company. Today, Kerkorian's companies operate the largest gambling houses in the states of Nevada and California: MGM Grand, Flamengo, International Hotel. In 2005, the Washigton Post ranked Kerkorian as the second most successful gambling businessman in US history (Benjamin Siegelbaum was the first). Kerkorian founded the United Armenian Found and the Lincy Foundation. According to Armenian Bar Co, in the period 1988-2011 Kerkorian allocated more than $ 5 billion to Armenia and the NKR. He was awarded the degree of National Hero of Armenia.

          STEVEN KANDARYAN (USA) - PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL insurance company MetLife. Kandaryan's official fortune is estimated at $ 25 billion. About 90% of Fortune 500 companies are corporate clients of MetLife. Today MetLife is also ranked 31st in the list of the 500 largest companies in the world. Steve Kandaryan is one of the largest Armenian benefactors, but he prefers not to advertise his activities. ABOUTEvery year he transfers millions of dollars to the accounts of Armenian funds. His companies provide assistance to the leading Armenian lobbying groups in the United States.

          DUARDO ERNEKYAN (ARGENTINA) - PRESIDENT OF American International Airports and Aeropuertos Argentina 2000. Ernekian's companies operate 32 Argentine airports and the main airports in Uruguay, Ecuador and Armenia. It was at the expense of Eduardo Ernekian's investments that the old terminal of the Zvartnots airport (worth $ 200 million) was reconstructed. In February 2007, Eurnekian bought shares of Converse Bank CJSC (Armenia). Today he is considered the richest businessman in Argentina and one of the five richest people in South America. Eurnekian is the main financial donor to Armenian organizations in Latin America. Over the past five years, he has invested many millions of dollars in various funds in Armenia and Artsakh. In 2011, Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, during his trip to Argentina, ordained Eduardo Ernekian to the Knights of Holy Etchmiadzin.

          And so on and so forth. We can't beat them never.
    4. max702
      max702 30 October 2020 21: 21
      +8
      GDP teaches a lesson to limitorphs .. You are neither who nor how to call you .. 14 republics imagined themselves states .. Time has directly shown who fed whom in the USSR .. This is the main and most criminal mistake of the communist .. Due to the genocide of the Russian people they tried to make a man of the Soviet .. And no matter how paradoxical this person turned out to be made exclusively of Russians .. Other "oppressed" peoples categorically did not want to become a Soviet man .. Now everything is returning to normal ..
      And this is good! The Armenians, as the most greyhounds of this gathering, were the first to fall under the distribution .. The rest should get ready ..
    5. MTN
      MTN 30 October 2020 22: 28
      +3
      Quote: fn34440
      The Armenians should have read Lenin. Their education has dropped dramatically since 1991.

      And Azerbaijan needs to hurry while Pashinyan is in power.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 October 2020 23: 42
        +3
        And where should he hurry, most of the NKR troops have already been defeated there, already the equipment of Armenia and the personnel have begun to wet - NKR and Pashinyan will not be saved from complete defeat.
    6. g1v2
      g1v2 31 October 2020 00: 31
      10
      Pashinyan was appointed by the Armenian elites. He's not a lone kamikaze. And nothing will change from the fact that it will be removed. At some point, the Armenian elites decided that lace panties await them in the west. They believed that since they have large diasporas in France and the United States, then turning to the west they will solve all their problems and improve their well-being. That is, it is stupid that the West will give them more. request
      As for the Turks, they believed that since they are a NATO member, then if they become friends with the United States, then they would put the Turks under control. And in general, apparently, they considered themselves the second Israel.
      However, they miscalculated. The Sultan put the device on his membership in NATO, and he sends the francs in the forest. He dreams of returning Turkey to the ranks of the great powers, which the Ottoman Empire was for all its problems. He is confident that against the backdrop of the Arab Spring and a series of color revolutions, he has a window of opportunity. So he is trying to gain a foothold where possible.
      Aliyev also waited for his window of opportunity. As a result of 2008, he understood well that in the Caucasus only two countries decide everything - Russia and Turkey. Therefore, he normalized relations with us. in addition, having generously purchased Russian weapons and agreed with the Turks for help. And then he patiently waited for the window of opportunity. The Armenian Maidan gave it to him. Now he will try to make the most of his time to make the most of it.
      So far, it looks like Aliyev will restore his territorial integrity. Pashinyan will of course be removed, but the elites will not change. And they will have a choice - to continue their journey to the west or still cling to Russia. In the first case, we will definitely turn towards Azeri and it is possible that they will decide that Nakhichevan needs its own corridor to the main part of the country. In the second Armenia, it will have to change its policy. For example, to recognize Crimea, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Moreover, Gabunistan betrayed them.
    7. the most important
      the most important 1 November 2020 23: 12
      +2
      Quote: fn34440
      The Armenians should have read Lenin. Their education has dropped dramatically since 1991.

      Is it even there? You have to be completely mentally deprived in order, given your geography, to organize rallies with the burning of the Russian flag and mass bawling shouting "Russians went to ...". So we got to the bottom. Something not noticeable is their massive return to Armenia and the replenishment of the armed forces. Armenia has no future without Russia, not at all. And they still manage not only to spit into the well, but also to shit there.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 30 October 2020 18: 12
    +6
    I wanted to steer, let him and his team eat.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 30 October 2020 18: 30
      14
      He shaves off his beard, but runs away in women's panties. Classic however. yes
  3. astepanov
    astepanov 30 October 2020 18: 12
    14
    the names of other state or military leaders who could be blamed for the impending disaster (at least to the same extent as Pashinyan) are not even named in Armenia.

    And Chubais? For thirty years in a row, Chubais is to blame for all the troubles. A sort of permanent lightning rod. That is why they are holding it ... Maybe they should lease Chubais to the Armenians for twenty years? Only here is one misfortune: how are we going to live without Anatoly Borisych?
    1. Alesi13
      Alesi13 30 October 2020 18: 30
      +8
      Do you celebrate Friday?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 October 2020 19: 42
      +1
      Quote: astepanov
      Maybe rent Chubais to the Armenians for twenty years?

      That Chubais, Chito Pashinyan, have long been on loan from Soros.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 31 October 2020 00: 49
      +4
      Quote: astepanov
      Only here is one misfortune: how are we going to live without Anatoly Borisych?

      We have Dmitry ibn Anatolyevich. Let's overwinter.
  4. nobody75
    nobody75 30 October 2020 18: 14
    -2
    "Tomorrow you will see something that you have never seen ... It will be tomorrow." And today, 30.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, Stepanakert is holding on, Azerbaijani infantry infiltrated to Shusha no more than a battalion without heavy equipment. The Armenians recaptured the Gubatly ... Pashinyan sits on ... a chair evenly and talks about the Russian peacekeepers.
    Sincerely
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 30 October 2020 18: 22
      0
      Good luck, of course, but ... don't tell gop ...
    2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 30 October 2020 18: 25
      +9
      Let him reason. He will not have any peacekeepers from the "occupiers". He still needs to tell about the beginning of the evacuation of the base in Gyumri. Let Aliyev cut a little (or a lot ...) the dependents who are too brisk, but militant in the bazaars in Russia.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 30 October 2020 19: 26
        +7
        what will be, what will be - twice as many Armenians in Sochi will be in Rostov and Maskva
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 30 October 2020 20: 19
          +5
          much more ...
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 30 October 2020 22: 15
        0
        Yes, you can and without evacuation ("ducks"), just by phone, tete-a-tete, give the go-ahead.
    3. dgonni
      dgonni 30 October 2020 19: 10
      20
      Battalion leaked? And this is a trifle? No heavy weapons? In mountainous conditions?
      So I'll answer you! It's not leaked! It was the first divisions of Azerbaijanis who came out to Shusha! And they don't need to drag guns with them. They have all target designation and support hanging in the air. In the form of reconnaissance and attack drones. Well, art gives support from behind the mountains on request.
      The battalion in the highlands is over a lot.
      P.S. The Armenians recaptured Gubatly only in the media.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 02
        0
        As of today, 30.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, Shusha has not been taken ... Martuni and Martakert too ... The battalion is certainly a lot - if it is the Airborne Forces, marines or motorized riflemen are normal ... And if it is a "combined orchestra", then we will take a look. I am generally against storming cities without complete encirclement.
        They have all target designation and support in the air.

        This support can throw a grenade and an ATGM. But the landing force to land a normal-caliber fab on the city or to evacuate the wounded (to bring the stew) is not. And without stew in the mountains is boring!
        Well, art gives support from behind the mountains on request

        Excuse me, does art have shells in the intestines? I doubt it ... In order for them to appear, in all "liberated osgiliates" it is necessary to equip MTO points and plant garrisons ... Armenians, of course, are not rich people, but there will be enough money for a package of hail and tornado a day ... the development of MLRS, which are not much inferior to tactical nuclear weapons when used correctly, control of the territory is a conditional concept, as is the operational density of the front's troops ... I remember that "Mad Max" controlled the same large territory.
        With respect.
        1. MTN
          MTN 30 October 2020 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: nobody75
          As of today, 30.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, Shusha has not been taken ..


          Somehow everything is deplorable in Shusha.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 October 2020 00: 01
            +2
            To all appearances, all the residents of Shushi have already left.
            1. MTN
              MTN 31 October 2020 07: 35
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              To all appearances, all the residents of Shushi have already left.

              Yes, definitely piled, but there is no place to go. They are in the basements.
      2. Vsepomni
        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 09: 49
        0
        Only GDP will stop the war. Let the Armenians pray for him. Although everyone praying is either in prison or Pashik has outlived everyone
    4. Amba412
      Amba412 30 October 2020 20: 45
      +4
      Look at the map. If the Azeri saddle the Yerevan-Shusha-Stepan road, then the scribe to Karabakh
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 52
        +1
        If the Azeri saddle the Yerevan-Shusha-Stepan road, then the scribe to Karabakh

        Excuse me, what does the word "saddle" mean in a modern war? Is it, excuse me, like a horse, or like a woman? Suppose they went out to her and what next? Will they install a checkpoint from gabions? So they will fly ... Will they put spotters in the mountains? Their RTR will calculate and the same will fly to them ... No, they will not kill, but after the tornado packet arrives, they will need fresh linen and a psychiatrist ... And how can all this be delivered without a turntable? And crocodiles for some reason do not fly ... Even low ...
        Sincerely
        1. Amba412
          Amba412 30 October 2020 22: 28
          +8
          In the conditions of modern war, riding is exactly what means. The control of the passage of the route. The battalion, with full air superiority, can keep the road in the mountains until the white flag is raised in Shusha
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 30 October 2020 22: 59
            -4
            Until they raised it ... Will you fight off the "hail" and "tornado" with tennis rackets?
            Sincerely
            1. Amba412
              Amba412 30 October 2020 23: 14
              +2
              Somehow I did not see any tornadoes or hail from the Armenians. Except as targets. And this is what I meant when I spoke about the complete failure of the Armenians in tactics and management.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 20
                -3
                By the way, I have long said that the automatic loader in a modern tank should be replaced with a loader. So that he would make peanut butter sandwiches for the entire crew and conduct an information war. I posted pictures in instagram, I put likes and dislikes ...
                Sincerely
            2. Amba412
              Amba412 30 October 2020 23: 18
              +2
              The Armenians have nothing. Neither artillery correction nor counter-battery work, nor simply the ability to work on the defensive. This is sad.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 31
                -5
                Excuse me, you made this conclusion on what basis? Based on the "cartoons" that Azerbots shoot?
                Sincerely
                1. Amba412
                  Amba412 30 October 2020 23: 37
                  +5
                  Based on a map with an occupied area. Well, if the Azeri came to Shusha, then this is the northernmost scribe
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 42
                    -2
                    It seems to have come out ... But based on my map, everything is not so simple there. BTG entered Shusha, which was thrown away from Lachin.
                    Sincerely
                2. Vsepomni
                  Vsepomni 31 October 2020 09: 51
                  +1
                  The Azerbaijanis have gouged all their equipment there. The Armenians have already resigned themselves.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 31 October 2020 11: 33
                    -2
                    Already in the third circle they gouged ... The Armenians have never had so much equipment. It has always been a problem to bring heavy equipment to Armenia ... And it is practically impossible to service it. In what year did the Abkhazians dismantle the railway? Russian Railways was repaired there, but only on the territory of Abkhazia.
                    I would, in the place of the Armenians, arrange the supply of weapons, fuels and lubricants and ammunition through Iran, across the Caspian Sea from Astrakhan. I remember during the Second World War this Lend-Lease route worked well.
                    Best regards
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 October 2020 23: 51
          +2
          No, they will not kill, but after the tornado packet arrives, they will need fresh linen and a psychiatrist ... - If Tornadoes remain with them by this time, only today 3 of these MLRS destroyed Azerbaijan, the artillery will pull up and spotters will smack at all heights in such conditions they will not be able to work and they will definitely not be limited to one checkpoint when taking the highway - they will bring in explosives and make huge craters on the road site when Lachin is taken just at the border with Armenia, no matter who from NKR leaves and enters, and what remains will be mined.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 57
            -2
            they will bring explosives and at the site of the road they will make huge craters

            Have you heard of Guadalcanal? On it, Yamato worked with the main caliber at night ... and in the morning the airfield launched and received aircraft.
            Sincerely
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 October 2020 00: 05
              +2
              Can you remind me what year it was? I very much doubt that Yamato's fire at that time was corrected by someone in order to inflict accurate damage to the airfield infrastructure.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 31 October 2020 00: 19
                -3
                Corrected the Japanese landing.
                The commander of the Japanese 17th Army, Lieutenant General Harukichi Hyakutake, taking advantage of the fact that the enemy did not complete the capture of the island, decided in cooperation with the Navy to immediately recapture it. He assigned the conduct of the ground part of this operation to a separate detachment of Colonel Kiyonao Ikki (reinforced battalion of the 28th Infantry Regiment), located on Truk Island (East Carolina). If the colonel knew that the forces he is going to attack are at least six times greater!
                At the same time, the concentration of large forces of the Japanese fleet began in the South Pacific to support the landing and to repel new offensive actions of the enemy. On August 11, the 2nd and 3rd fleets, led by the commander of the United Fleet, Admiral Yamamoto, left the Inland Sea on the battleship Yamato. The 8th Fleet was transferred to the 2nd destroyer squadron as a means of reinforcement. It was led by Rear Admiral Raizo Tanaka, one of the most talented commanders of the Imperial Navy's light forces.

                http://militera.lib.ru/h/morozov_granovsky/01.html
                Sincerely
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 31 October 2020 00: 22
                  -3
                  "Kirishima" in my opinion bombarded the same ... But this is from memory
                  Sincerely
          2. Konnick
            Konnick 31 October 2020 02: 41
            +2
            They will not take Lachin, they will only declare a one-way movement towards Armenia with a threat of shelling.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 31 October 2020 11: 35
              -1
              Announced already? We have not heard about counter-battery combat. Armenians can jam the artillery of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces from their territory. Therefore, Lachin remained Berdzor.
              Sincerely
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 31 October 2020 11: 39
                0
                Counter-battery fight? It's funny. Some people see everything and don’t spend an extra projectile with the self-propelled guns, while others with towed guns want to start a fight by ear. Better to practice in the Nanai wrestling.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 31 October 2020 14: 33
                  -2
                  You are obviously a great specialist in the Nanai wrestling. And here is your lost hearing in the course of horse care? Who and what "sees everything"? The extra shell to the SPG has to be brought from Azerbaijan. And where does the D-30? I wrote about MLRS. By the way, the Armenians have already started collecting money for them.

                  In response to the address of Nikola the Brave, Our Ministry of Foreign Affairs promised to provide all the necessary assistance.
                  So
                  Get up all the Kuban!
                  After all, Yerevan is behind us!
                  Sincerely
    5. MTN
      MTN 30 October 2020 22: 56
      +3
      Quote: nobody75
      The Armenians recaptured the Gubatly.

      lol Seriously? Are there any proves?
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 01
        -5
        Seriously? Are there any proves?

        I change the proofs for a scan of your service certificate "KGB student"
        Sincerely
        1. MTN
          MTN 31 October 2020 07: 36
          -1
          Quote: nobody75
          I change the proofs for a scan of your service certificate "KGB student"
          Sincerely

          where did you get the idea that I am a KGB-ik? I am an ordinary citizen.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 31 October 2020 08: 58
            -1
            MTN (KGB school)
            From this and took.
            Sincerely
    6. Konnick
      Konnick 31 October 2020 02: 37
      +3
      Quote: nobody75
      It seeped to Shusha


      Leaked?
      "... in my house I ask you not to express yourself!"
      News from Shushan or Pegov. Or maybe from Kassad himself?
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 31 October 2020 08: 59
        0
        No, these are all your friends - not mine.
        Sincerely
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 31 October 2020 09: 15
          0
          Well, judging by the infiltration news report you circulate here, they are your sources of information.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 31 October 2020 09: 21
            -2
            No, I do not need "such" sources ... Although Shushanochka wow ... And what, Azerbots have already taken Shusha? Shushan tells me that today is 31.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX. "Winter is coming" And what does your bald Azerbot Fuhrer say?
            Sincerely
  5. Operator
    Operator 30 October 2020 18: 21
    +8
    With Pashinyan, everything will be tip-top: Soros will evacuate him from Armenia and reward him, since Pashinyan fulfilled his task - he merged Nagorno-Karabakh.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 30 October 2020 18: 43
      -9
      Have you seen the transcript of the dialogue where Soros sets such a task?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 30 October 2020 19: 11
        14
        Quote: Deniska999
        Have you seen the transcript of the dialogue where Soros sets such a task?

        Everything is simpler, Soros does not care about either Pashinyan or Ukraine at all ...
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 October 2020 19: 28
          15
          Quote: Terenin
          Everything is simpler, Soros does not care about either Pashinyan or Ukraine at all.

          Everything is correct! That's why Soros doesn't care about Pashinyan and Karabakh, his goals are global! If it turns out to push Turkey and Russia, pull Iran into a conflict, it will be BINGO!
          And who will be in Karabakh, what kind of troops or how much grief will the peaceful Azerbaijanis or peaceful Armenians sip, he doesn't care
      2. Vsepomni
        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 09: 54
        0
        The largest US embassy in the world in Yerevan is stenographic to him
  6. Most kind
    Most kind 30 October 2020 18: 23
    +2
    He is not a citizen of the United States, they will hand over him themselves, well, either they will not let him in, they will say there is no reception today, like litter
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 30 October 2020 18: 25
    +4
    It would seem that this war for Pashinyan, in case of victory, essentially raises authority to an unattainable height, but he does everything to make his authority fall below the plinth, or even deeper ..
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 October 2020 19: 22
      +5
      In case of defeat, he will blame everything on Russia, like they did not help. So it may also remain in power, on such a fertile topic, and even further its course towards the United States will continue
  8. Volga073
    Volga073 30 October 2020 18: 34
    +5
    Pashinyan is a liberal rhino.
    And did this America help you?
    1. major147
      major147 30 October 2020 19: 27
      +6
      Quote: Volga073
      And did this America help you?

      They promised to pray for Armenia, but judging by the situation at the front, they have not yet found the time for this.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 October 2020 20: 02
      +3
      Quote: Volga073
      And did this America help you?
      Azerbaijan's victory will immediately lead to the introduction of peacekeepers in Karabakh under a UN mandate, or "NATO peacekeepers" to protect Armenians from massacres. Then the mechanism tested in Kosovo comes into force - the Armenians leave Karabakh under the protection of peacekeepers. An invasion of the North Caucasus in the role of a NATO peacekeeper under the guise of a peacekeeping mission will be perceived as a geopolitical defeat for Russia without a war. With all the consequences for her.
      1. MTN
        MTN 30 October 2020 23: 20
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Azerbaijan's victory will immediately lead to the introduction of peacekeepers in Karabakh under the UN mandate

        There is truth in your words

        The US is working on the deployment of peacekeepers from Scandinavian countries in Nagorno-Karabakh. Robert O'Brien, Advisor to the US President on National Security, stated this at a meeting with the Armenian community of Los Angeles.

        “We are working with the governments of the Scandinavian countries to send peacekeepers to Nagorno-Karabakh to maintain the ceasefire,” said a Trump adviser.


        But Russia is unlikely to be there. Rather, there will be 3 countries. Russia - Turkey and someone .... Denmark or Sweden or Norway. Sweden is not in NATO. Then either Denmark or Norway.

        Quote: tihonmarine
        to protect Armenians from slaughter. Then the mechanism tested in Kosovo comes into force - the Armenians leave Karabakh under the protection of peacekeepers.

        They will leave anyway. Every Armenian has relatives either in Europe or in America or in Russia. Life there is much better than in Armenia. To raise Armenia, big investments are needed, good relations with neighbors for transit and trade are needed. And this will take years of trust and laborious work on the country. Dozens of years will pass. Therefore, whoever has the opportunity will definitely leave.

        Quote: tihonmarine
        as a geopolitical defeat of Russia without war

        I wouldn't say that. From a geopolitical point of view, Russian interests do not extend beyond Armenia. If every Russian ally starts attacking a neighbor with land claims, will Russia always help an ally with occupation? Even without good and green light from the CSTO, Armenia loses protection from the CSTO if it shoots at Azerbaijan.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 October 2020 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: MTN
          Russia - Turkey and someone .... Denmark or Sweden or Norway. Sweden is not in NATO. Then either Denmark or Norway.

          If you think correctly, Denmark or Norway can tie up the Balts too - and that's NATO guys. Russia ? It is doubtful that we cannot be "good" for both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, if you do good to one person, others will get angry, and vice versa. The Turks may enter, but NATO will be the priority.
          If every Russian ally starts attacking a neighbor with land claims, will Russia always help an ally with occupation?
          Russia will not do this. But NATO troops will be stationed in Karabakh, which will enter and forget to leave as always, as in Iraq and Afghanistan. If there are Denmark and Norway, after a while the rotation will begin, and the USA, Britain and France will also appear there to replace. It won't be good, NATO troops will be stationed in the southern underbelly. I think this conflict was planned long ago.
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 31 October 2020 02: 50
        +1
        There will be nothing, no massacre, no peacekeepers. There is no point.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 October 2020 11: 09
          0
          Quote: Konnick
          There will be nothing, no massacre, no peacekeepers. There is no point.

          All options are possible. Wait and see.
  9. Cottager452
    Cottager452 30 October 2020 18: 39
    +8
    Instead of a set of stamps, you can leave only the signature of the author.
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 30 October 2020 18: 39
    22
    Does Pashinyan have anything to do with it? The previous government for 24 years of power did nothing worthwhile with its army, leaving it at the level of the 1980s, considering a potential adversary as traders without a fighting spirit who cannot fight, turning their country with high intellectual potential into a typical corrupt hole in the Third World. This one only managed to quarrel with Russia and offend the Azerbaijanis, which, in principle, gave Aliyev the opportunity to learn from the neutral position of the Russian Federation for the start of large-scale hostilities. Even before him, the Armenian Armed Forces were not ready for a war with any modernly equipped army in the world, if the NKR had no mountainous terrain, they would have lost a week ago, if not earlier.
    1. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 30 October 2020 18: 55
      +9
      I beg you ... Pashinyan and his shobla are here with everything. If there were no attempts to head towards the West a la Russian occupants go home, then there would be nothing at all. Armenian guys used to drink wine, and not lay in coffins. It was just not necessary to spit in the direction of Russia and not invite 2000 "diplomatic" US workers. The result is on the face.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 October 2020 19: 02
        10
        About the current situation - I agree. But no one guarantees that this would not have happened in three years for one reason or another, when Azerbaijan would have become even stronger, and the Armenians continued to hover in the clouds about the military genius of the nation of marshals and the laxity of “tomato sellers”.
        1. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 30 October 2020 19: 11
          +5
          In any case, the Armenian army would not have resisted the Azerbaijani army, even if they paid maximum attention to it: not now, not later. Economic and human potentials are simply not comparable. The only option for the Armenians to survive is to be friends with everyone except the United States. Friendship with the United States in the post-Soviet space has not yet led anyone to any good.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 30 October 2020 19: 27
            12
            Tell me please, was the potential of 2 million Jews comparable to the potential of 200 million Arabs at that time? ))
            Leave all the Arabs - 60 million in Egypt and 10 million in Syria in 1973?
            The question is in the priorities of the country, the vector of development, the state system, the approach to military affairs, relations with the diaspora and, most importantly, the love of citizens for the nation state.
            The Armenians are bad with this.
            As for friendship with the United States, I believe that you need to be friends with everyone, absolutely. The whole question of mutual benefit and expediency and the "boundaries of friendship" hi
            1. Redfox3k
              Redfox3k 30 October 2020 19: 34
              10
              I didn’t want anything bad for you, but if it were not for the United States, there would be no Israel now. And the Arabs are Arabs. Bedouins do not know how to fight. The Jews went through WWII, they had enormous combat experience, and the Holocaust of 1933-1945 was a serious incentive for survival. The Arabs had none of this. The officers treated the soldiers like cattle, and then a soldier is good at fighting.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 30 October 2020 19: 45
                +7
                What does the USA have to do with it? laughing They began to be friends with Israel only after the main territorial conquests of the country - as a result of the Six Day War, victorious for the Jews)). Before that - an embargo on the supply of weapons, Kenedy's special permission for the sale of air defense systems (!) Hawk and support for Jordan, hostile to the Zionists.
                As for the Bedouins - in vain you, the same Jordan, the Jews won only due to superiority in numbers or in the air, bearing equal losses with the enemy. Their army was trained by the British, who have a century of training experience from various aborigines. The Germans, initially, then the USSR did not have such experience, while supplying the Syrians and Egyptians with equipment that was difficult for the Arabs to master, imposing methods of warfare that were innovative for that time, which, with rare exceptions, did not work very well. hi
                1. Redfox3k
                  Redfox3k 30 October 2020 20: 03
                  +6
                  The coalition was powerful and strong, no one doubted the victory, and the Arab headquarters and what to hide among the Soviet military advisers reigned in a capricious mood. The eternal anti-Semitic belief worked - Jews are bad warriors, Jews do not know how to fight. The Arabs and Soviet advisers were convinced that the Israelis would choose defensive tactics, sit down in a deep defense.
                  - this is about the Arab coalition.

                  And this is about Israel
                  The Israelis could not afford to lose it - the question was about their physical existence.

                  The Israeli army decided to launch a preemptive strike first. Prepared for it thoroughly. Reconnaissance clarified future targets, the passability of roads for tanks on the Sinai Peninsula, defensive positions in the Golan Heights, the location of artillery and anti-aircraft batteries, command posts, weapons depots, wells. In the course of numerous trainings, the skills of attacking on the move on a fortified zone, overcoming passages in minefields, and quickly transferring artillery fire from forward targets deep into enemy positions were practiced. The tankers were required to be able to maintain a given pace of movement, confidently suppressing enemy resistance with fire and tracks. Paratroopers learned to quickly land in an enemy location, destroy their manpower and gain a foothold before the main forces arrived.

                  A special role was given to aviation, which was supposed to give the green light to all other branches of the military. For two years, Israeli pilots flew daily over the Mediterranean Sea in the morning, and then descended and landed at an air base in the Negev desert. This, on the one hand, worked out the skills of a surprise attack, and on the other, the Egyptian air defense forces got used to the schedule and route of flights. The preparations for the airstrike were carried out in an atmosphere of complete secrecy. On the day the war broke out, early in the morning, Israeli intelligence agents made their way to the roof of the US Embassy in Tel Aviv and disabled the tracking antenna installed there to prevent the US from detecting the departure of Israeli planes. The Israeli pilots themselves learned about the upcoming operation only 5 hours before the air strike.


                  The motivation of the Jews and the carelessness of the Arabs .... the carelessness. There are at least 200 million, at least 300 ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 30 October 2020 20: 09
                    +6
                    I agree - but in 1973 there was the carelessness of the Jews and the motivation of the Arabs - Israeli happiness that the Egyptians and Syrians were afraid to get out (rightly, in principle) from under the umbrella of the air defense. And the Jews practiced frontal air attacks on air defense systems, covered by Shilkas and MANPADS, as well as "naked" tanks at the position of the Egyptian infantry with Malyutki and suffered heavy losses)).
                    Therefore, this is not a matter of nationality, but of the need for hard, meticulous work of intelligence and the army in peacetime, as well as the inadmissibility of high conceit. hi
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 30 October 2020 22: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      and also the inadmissibility of high conceit.

                      are you talking about modern Jews? read the comments of those who are sitting here. all in unison are ready to fight with Russia if that, and of course to win! wassat
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 30 October 2020 22: 58
                        +2
                        And about Jews and about Armenians and about Russians)).
                        I lived in Israel for 25 years, everyone is really ready to fight there (and they are fighting), about defeating Russia - laughing Well, most likely, they mean a local mess with a limited Russian contingent without the use of SBS, tk. everyone understands the size of the country and the capabilities of the Russian Federation hi
                      2. IS-1
                        IS-1 30 October 2020 23: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And about Jews and about Armenians and about Russians)).
                        I lived in Israel for 25 years, everyone is really ready to fight there (and they are fighting), about defeating Russia - laughing Well, most likely, they mean a local mess with a limited Russian contingent without the use of SBS, tk. everyone understands the size of the country and the capabilities of the Russian Federation hi

                        Well said, but Israel has long been strenuously arming Azerbaijan .. Here's what is interesting .. What is their incentive? Hardly financial. hi And how should we in Russia react to this when we in Syria are trying to avoid a conflict on the border with Israel?
                        And I generally keep quiet about Ukraine, there ...
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 30 October 2020 23: 24
                        +6
                        Israel's incentives:
                        1) Security - Azerbaijan is next to Iran. Aliyev's government is graciously providing Jews with the opportunity to work from their territory. (Rumored)
                        2) Fuel - 40% of the oil supplied to Israel is Azerbaijani, I think, it is paid for, incl. for weapons - everyone benefits.
                        3) For the sake of its image, it is very important for Israel to exclude the religious component from the conflict with the Palestinians, so cooperation with a friendly Muslim country is always very important.
                        4) Military affairs - Azerbaijanis massively use Israeli UAVs, the military is always interested
                        5) Advertising of Israeli weapons - i.e. finance
                        6) Anti-Semitism in Azerbaijan has always been minimal, so Jews treat it as a friendly country
                        Russia's reaction to Israel's aid to Azerbaijan? The most positive is that Armenia’s dependence on Russia is shown by someone else’s hands during the period of cooling of relations at the initiative of Yerevan.
                        Syria - in the goal of the Russian Federation not to go to war there with the Turks or Jews - the presence in the Eastern Mediterranean, the drinking of Russian-speaking barmaley, keeping the army in good shape, some control over the pricing of oil - that's all.
                        And what about Ukraine? Israel is the only developed country that has not joined the anti-Russian sanctions on Crimea. What's the question?
                      4. Vsepomni
                        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 10: 01
                        +1
                        In addition, there are a lot of former Bakuvians, Soviet Jews in Israel who support their historical homeland. Historically large community of Mountain Jews in Azerbaijan
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 06
                        0
                        Not only mountain people - Krasnaya Sloboda, EMNIP. Ashkenazi are full, there are Georgian ones.
                      6. Vsepomni
                        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 10: 15
                        +1
                        I agree. But the mountainous ones have lived here for centuries. Therefore, genetically it is always closer to us.
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 36
                        0
                        laughing
                        Genetically, they are closer to the Tatas - they are also Farsi-speaking)).
                      8. Vsepomni
                        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 10: 58
                        +1
                        Everything is mixed here. More Iranian in the east. There is more Turkic language in the west. Yes, and the Dagestan component is a lot
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 11: 06
                        0
                        I am aware of a multinational country. ))
                      10. Vsepomni
                        Vsepomni 31 October 2020 16: 51
                        0
                        Almost all ethnic groups are fighting shoulder to shoulder. There are also many of our Russians. Two have already become heroes. Glory to them and all the heroes
                      11. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 16: 53
                        0
                        Yes, I know - you have a national hero there, my namesake and fellow tribesman. Albert Agronov, in my opinion. Tankman
                      12. Vsepomni
                        Vsepomni 1 November 2020 08: 49
                        0
                        He fell a hero in the first Karabakh conflict. Fearless tanker. The Armenians hunted him for a long time. There is a monument in Baku and a street in honor of the hero
  11. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 31 October 2020 01: 41
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Well, most likely, they mean a local mess with a limited Russian contingent without the use of SBS, tk. everyone understands the size of the country and the capabilities of the Russian Federation

    in fact, and the joke is that in all seriousness they claim that Russia will be easily defeated even with the use of SBCH. wassat
    no, there is certainly adequate ... ny. one. no, they are all so. there are already two of you hi the rest seriously declare that even now it is straight, even with nuclear weapons, even without. ask the Professor laughing
  12. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 31 October 2020 02: 47
    +2
    I am sure that the professor does not think so, because to believe that Israel's capabilities in the event of a nuclear war exceed those of the United States and China is like something more to a psychiatrist laughing
  13. Konnick
    Konnick 31 October 2020 03: 00
    0
    soldier Under the current Russian generals, I agree. You look, people are not burdened with intelligence ... you involuntarily begin to compare with the commanders of the Great Patriotic War and the comparison is not in favor of modern ones.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 23
    +2
    but if not for the United States, there would be no Israel now.

    And if not for Stalin? Would Israel be now? If he didn't have to shake off the German-style Czechoslovak weapons? And if Grechko gouged out his eye - a la Moshe Dayan? Bastard this same Moshe ... ruined my whole childhood ... I had to study his operations.
    Sincerely
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 October 2020 23: 33
      +2
      Let's start with the British laughing
      If they had not angered Stalin with their kissing on the Desna with the Iraqis and Jordanians, he would not have supported the Zionists.
      If the Zionists did not fight the British underground, he would not have supported them either)).
      He unloaded his weapons to both the Jews and the Syrians, but the main point was different - the Jews were socialists, while not Trotskyists (although Mao was a Trotskyist, which did not interfere with Stalin laughing ), the Russian language and culture were very popular among the Palestinians (then only Jews were called Palestinians), etc. hi
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 38
        0
        The British could not help kissing Iraqis and Jordanians - they created them on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. And the Iraqis supplied them with oil throughout the war. Not all Jews were kibbutzniks - socialists ... Blee among them and the Rothschilds!
        Sincerely
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 30 October 2020 23: 58
          +2
          And who originally sponsored the socialists, excuse me? Any Morozovs in Russia and Rothschilds in Palestine laughing
          Rothschild, whom the first settlers threw for several years, made people of them, saying that without the self-sufficiency of the dough for development, they would no longer see it)). But, unfortunately, as a result of WWII they lost a lot of money, and massive sponsorship came to an end.
          Across Iraq - during the war I tried to jump, together with Vishistka Syria, to the Germans. The Britons occupied it, as did Iran (the latter together with the Red Army).
          Jordan - I agree.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 30 October 2020 22: 20
    0
    The answer is not correct. Not the United States, but Uncle Joe, but among the common people, Comrade Stalin said his weighty word in the formation of Israel. And even kind of facilitated the departure of his citizens of Jewish nationality to the Promised Land. For he thought that the Jews would spoil the blood of the sworn allies of the Angles. And they will have friendship with the USSR. However, the Jews in this regard greatly upset Stalin and how to promote socialism
    expansion and interests of the USSR did not want. In general, there was an epic trust kidok on the face.
    As a result, Uncle Joe became very angry and the newspaper Pravda began to squeeze notable articles for world Zionism. And inside the country, local Jews began to have a non-acidic nightmare, and some of them were seriously imprisoned and shot. The case of doctors from the same opera.
    States with Angles, by the way, from the very beginning were not enthusiastic about the idea of ​​an independent Israel in the Promised Land. And they offered a variant of Madagascar.
    So the mattresses have nothing to do with it.
  • Rusland
    Rusland 30 October 2020 19: 04
    +6
    Quote: Redfox3k
    2000 "diplomatic" employees of the USA.

    A purely American approach, from the other side they are digging under Russia, stroking Pashinyan on his head, while his backside is already smoldering. yes
  • Seal
    Seal 1 November 2020 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Redfox3k
    I beg you ... Pashinyan and his shobla are here with everything

    http://новости-армении.ru-an.info/новости/армения-расходы-сша-на-биолаборатории-говорят-об-их-двойном-назначении/
    Or here, the last
    For what did the Armenian authorities exchange sovereignty in the field of biological safety in 2008? Why do many international organizations know about the dubious activities of the US program to "reduce" biological threats, but prefer to remain silent about it? Why is the information about the registration of very suspicious sporadic outbreaks of infection, the causative agents of which are known as biological weapons agents, on the territory of Armenia, skillfully masked or hushed up? Grigor Grigoryan, an international expert on the control of zoonotic diseases and organization of veterinary health, the leader of the “One Health” coalition (Armenia), answered these and other questions of the EADaily correspondent.

    More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/25/sistema-biologicheskoy-bezopasnosti-armenii-pod-upravleniem-ssha-intervyu

    Where was President Sargsyan and what did he do on May 28, 2016
    https://www.president.am/ru/press-release/search/?search_date=28%2F05%2F2016
    President Serzh Sargsyan attended the unveiling of the monument to Garegin Nzhdeh
    Today President Serzh Sargsyan attended the solemn ceremony of unveiling a monument to political and military leader, national ideologist Garegin Nzhdeh. It was opened in the capital's administrative district Kentron (Center), in a public garden adjacent to Hanrapetutyan (Republic) street. The sculptor is Gagik Stepanyan, the architect is Aslan Mkhitaryan. The monument was opened by the mayor of Yerevan Taron Margaryan and the great-grandson of Garegin Nzhdeh Armen Babayan. The RA President laid flowers at the monument and paid tribute to the memory ...
  • nobody75
    nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 09
    +1
    Excuse me, have you seen the theater map? Find Armenia on it ... Found it? Now look who it borders on ... Now, you understand that the Karabakh conflict (and the "Karabakh clan") from an economic point of view, Armenia does not need ... from the word at all. Armenia's economy is also stuck at the level of the 80s. How, in the conditions of the blockade, lack of access to the sea, with a stagnating economy, to engage in military construction?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 October 2020 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: nobody75
      Excuse me, have you seen the theater map? Find Armenia on it ... Found it? Now look who it borders on ... Now, you understand that the Karabakh conflict (and the "Karabakh clan") from an economic point of view, Armenia does not need ... from the word at all. Armenia's economy is also stuck at the level of the 80s. How, in the conditions of the blockade, lack of access to the sea, with a stagnating economy, to engage in military construction?

      Well, what the hell they needed was the war in Karabakh, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis after the Sumgayit events, etc.?
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 31
        +2
        I already wrote about this ... Armenians from Central Asia bought real estate in Karabakh, because they saw their native Armenia in a coffin and in white slippers. They thought in Azerbaijan their native Asians. And there Baku is a rich, industrial city, but everything was divided in it ... They tried to get in through the Baku Armenians - there was a massacre. Then the "guys" went to their native Karabakh "realtors" ... And those from easy money completely "boiled" ... They became Armenian nationalists and created the Karabakh Franchise. With the help of this Franchise, using the money and connections of the "new Karabakh Armenians", they won the war and sat on the Yerevan throne.
        Sincerely
        1. icant007
          icant007 3 November 2020 11: 06
          -1
          The version is interesting. What is it based on?
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 3 November 2020 11: 45
            +1
            On the stories of direct participants in the events from both sides. However, by indirect evidence, you yourself can see this ...
            Do you really think that Pashinyan came to power solely with the help of "mystical technologies of color revolutions" and did not have popular support? The Armenians living in Armenia asked the "Karabakhs" a simple question: "Guys, forgive me, who?"
            And then it turned out that for those businessmen, Armenians, Karabakh was an alternate airfield. And they had money and connections ... Do you really believe that Azerbaijanis did not know how to fight?
            Sincerely
            1. icant007
              icant007 3 November 2020 11: 58
              -1
              And why suddenly the Central Asian Armenians rushed to buy real estate in Karabakh?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 3 November 2020 12: 35
                0
                If you remember at the end of the 80s, the USSR began to disintegrate. And in Central Asia, Armenians settled in trading, in public catering, in consumer cooperation. In addition, they worked as shopkeepers and, of course, were represented in third roles in the party and household nomenclature. And for a long time of the "work" described above, they got used to solving problems, um, not in a completely Soviet way. When it became clear that national states were being formed in the place of the Soviet republics, the Armenians became thoughtful ... First, they sent messengers to Armenia. And there is a scoop ... Melancholy - sadness ... Native Armenians can dispossess themselves. Then they chose Nagorno-Karabakh. First, there is a deaf collective farm. Secondly, there are many Armenians, including in the leadership, and Armenia is nearby. Thirdly, this is Azerbaijan, our native Asians. They thought they could easily deploy their usual businesses.
                Sincerely
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 31 October 2020 03: 10
        +2
        First, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia, and then the Sumgayit events.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 3 November 2020 11: 49
          -1
          "There are many Armenians and Persians" - so, I remember, Father Fyodor described the city of Baku. How many Azerbaijanis were there in Armenia proper, not counting Karabakh, and how many Armenians only in Baku? And which of them was richer? Have you heard of Garry Kasparov? By the way, he was patronized by Aliyev - the Elder.
          Sincerely
  • alexmach
    alexmach 30 October 2020 18: 48
    +7
    Yes, perhaps everything is so, but what difference does it make to us what Nikol will have there? We should be more worried about what will happen to Russia and, in particular, to its positions in the Caucasus, which, apparently, will continue to weaken further.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 October 2020 19: 35
      +5
      Quote: alexmach
      Yes, perhaps everything is so, but what difference does it make to us what Nikol will have there? We should be more worried about what will happen to Russia and, in particular, to its positions in the Caucasus, which, apparently, will continue to weaken further.

      Do like the Americans. Make friends with the winner, enslave the loser.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 30 October 2020 20: 17
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Do like the Americans. Make friends with the winner, enslave the loser.

        good yes
        Theory and practice are inseparable, however. Well, a "bad" example, of course a practical example, is usually taken into circulation, that is, tested and applied according to local conditions and moods.
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 30 October 2020 20: 43
      -1
      Russia has already fulfilled the minimum task - it did not allow a blitzkrieg. The Turks recently probed the soil in the countries of Central Asia ... It was, not much, not a little, about the creation of the Turanian Army ... But taking into account the fact that Karabakh holds on ... the negotiations ended with a polite refusal.
      Sincerely
    3. Vsepomni
      Vsepomni 31 October 2020 10: 07
      0
      If the GDP intervenes, then yes it will weaken. If it shows neutrality, then it is unlikely. Too much brings us together. In addition, Putin's closest friend is his classmate Azerbaijani
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 30 October 2020 18: 49
    12
    Yes, to hell with this bearded clown. But the strengthening of the Turks in Azerbaijan and the possible access to the Caspian Sea and the destabilization of the Northern Caucasus will still be that problem.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 30 October 2020 19: 24
      +4
      It seems that this (withdrawal of Turkey to the Caspian Sea, tying Azerbaijan to Turkey) is the essence of the State Department's strategy. And the fact that Erdogan is still portraying an anti-American opposition in Turkey is temporary. In 5-10 years in Turkey, which is fed up with Erdoganism, pro-American politicians may well come to power, but then a NATO member will already be in the Caspian. And Pashinyan completed the work of his predecessors ahead of schedule - Azerbaijan in the arms of Turkey, and as a fee to Azerbaijan - Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia in the role of logs for kindling, plus "resentment" at Russia, which is always to blame, and the cherry on top is the CSTO crisis.
    2. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 30 October 2020 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: alex aircraft
      Yes, to hell with this bearded clown. But the strengthening of the Turks in Azerbaijan and the possible access to the Caspian Sea and the destabilization of the Northern Caucasus will still be that problem.

      In vain you will run up and start "and that Sev.Kavkaz is already on fire" "yes, we and how will we calibrate them." Not everyone sees this conflict as an opportunity for Turkey. Well, they will not forget to kick both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. hi
  • Catfish
    Catfish 30 October 2020 19: 06
    14


    A photograph of those with whose help this insignificance came to power. There were also posters where Russia was directly called the occupier, have you forgotten who else saved them from the Turkish massacre under the tsar? But now they will definitely have to talk to the real occupiers, and the Azerbaijanis in their Baku in the nineties, oh, how calmly they cut them.
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 30 October 2020 19: 23
      +4
      have forgotten who else under the king saved them from the Turkish massacre?

      Yes, this is NOT photoshop.
      I saw similar photos on the Internet.
      But I have not yet seen the Armenians who had a negative attitude towards Russia.
      I think that there are very few guys with this (anti-Russian) attitude among Armenians.

      I don’t see tens of thousands of Armenians with such transparencies and flags of the European Union.
      To judge the whole country by looking at the opinion of a few would not be objective. hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 30 October 2020 22: 07
        +2
        I do not judge all people, only those who supported this type on the road to power. And as for the photographs, it is not a big deal to find those where the people are full and there are enough similar posters. And why should they judge, let the Armenians themselves judge their idiots.
      2. IS-1
        IS-1 30 October 2020 22: 31
        -1
        Quote: Nasdaq
        But I have not yet seen the Armenians who had a negative attitude towards Russia.
        I think that there are very few guys with this (anti-Russian) attitude among Armenians.

        Few, and if there is, they are beaten by their own, etc.
        Russia has always supported Armenia throughout its history (whatever the cost to us) History connects us
        And for this she paid us with her sons, soldiers, designers, politicians, etc.
        The names of Roman are known to all .. They just want to play us off! This is a famous move of the Anglo-Saxons and Turks in the current situation!
        I am for Armenia and many in Russia !!!!
        And there how the map will trample .. hi

        In general, it's better to come to an agreement without war and scatter ..
        1. Seal
          Seal 1 November 2020 16: 09
          0
          Russia has always supported Armenia throughout its history (whatever the cost to us) History connects us
          Wow !!!! Do you have your own history, alternative to all the others? Is it okay that since the moment Russia appeared on the historical map of the world, no "Armenians" have been recorded on the world map?
          And for this she paid us with her sons, soldiers, designers, politicians, etc.
          It turns out she paid us? ???? !!!!! Actually, it was we who accepted Armenians into the country, accepted them into service, our emperors gave Armenians ranks and titles. orders, salaries, estates, finally. And if officers and generals of Armenian origin deigned to come to the war, then it was their dutyAnd not merit.
          The same is true for scientists. As you know: "A scientist is a person who satisfies his curiosity at the expense of the state."
          Scientists (and not only Armenians) received from the state:
          - the opportunity to study, including abroad at public expense;
          - opportunity to work in the best CCCP laboratories;
          - have assistants;
          - Receive huge salaries and all kinds of bonuses;
          - large apartments from the state;
          - state dachas;
          - personal cars with drivers;
          - attachment to the "Kremlin medicine";
          - receiving special rations from the Kremlin;
          - the opportunity to relax in the best sanatoriums or even abroad, and at the expense of the state
          etc; etc; etc .....
  • Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 30 October 2020 19: 10
    +3
    Yes, no one will nightmare him / imprison him for the loss of Karabakh.
    Will give a speech in style: I'm tired, I'm leaving
    On this basta
    Of course a career in tartar.
    A curtain.

    In case of any success, politicians declare their diligence and genius. In case of failures, the circumstances / people / enemies / previous leadership (underline as necessary) are to blame.
    Here it will be so.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 30 October 2020 19: 13
    +2
    in the current critical situation, a special temporary committee or operational headquarters, created with the involvement of professionals, primarily the military, who may be able to turn the tide, should take up the case.

    How will they break? Than? (I mean heavy weapons). Will they hit with all the "might" of the armed forces of Armenia? (De jure today, the conflict is a civil war on the territory of Azerbaijan, pancake chit-making). In the future, a real interstate conflict with an attempt to involve Russia and Turkey in it? Will we finally see a cold shower?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 30 October 2020 19: 14
    +2
    It will be good for the Armenians without Pashinyan.
  • deniso
    deniso 30 October 2020 19: 29
    +4
    But with what haughty air he took office .. I have not seen Russia, it is not a decree for him, I myself know how to rule and with whom to be friends .. And most importantly, the people elected him and shouted hurray after the elections. And just over 25 years have passed since their "victory" in the same places, and everything has been forgotten .. Not a grateful nation ....
    1. Vsepomni
      Vsepomni 31 October 2020 10: 11
      0
      Read the story. They have always been hidden by great empires. Now the Persians, then the Romans, then the Arabs, then the Russians. And then they betrayed. And always stayed at the broken trough
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 30 October 2020 19: 33
    +1
    And what about it? In the worst case, he will receive a payoff and lecture on "democracy" in the United States. But most likely he will remain in his place to defend "democracy" in Armenia. Those who gave their lives in Karabakh and are giving them now have long been betrayed. The task is to grind the rest, so that there are no rivals. This is how "democracy" works.
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 30 October 2020 19: 58
      +3
      And he will tell you that Karabakh is lost because of the betrayal of Russia.
  • cdrt
    cdrt 30 October 2020 19: 56
    0
    Article - kindergarten. Is it really unclear that Putin and the Russians will be guilty of everything. Oh, something, and these are the sorrows who know how to work out perfectly
  • iouris
    iouris 30 October 2020 20: 21
    +1
    Everything was taken into account by a mighty hurricane: Pashinyan does not need Karabakh. He needs to utilize the passionaries and accuse the "siloviks" and the Russians of inefficiency. Soon Sa will reign in Georgia ... Oh, what a wonderful manager! So they together will create a confederation and start a "movement" to NATO. And Aliyev (if the Turks do not utilize him) will catch up. The "peacekeepers" had to be brought into both Baku and Yerevan (via Tbilisi and Batumi). If Igor Georgadze had been introduced in 2008, this combination would have been impossible at all. But: "Do I have to defend the Motherland?"
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 30 October 2020 20: 30
    +1
    Quote: Nasdaq
    Yes, no one will nightmare him / imprison him for the loss of Karabakh.
    Will give a speech in style: I'm tired, I'm leaving
    On this basta
    Of course a career in tartar.
    A curtain.

    In case of any success, politicians declare their diligence and genius. In case of failures, the circumstances / people / enemies / previous leadership (underline as necessary) are to blame.
    Here it will be so.

    There will be no such thing, he will sit to the last and "unbendingly" against the "will of these Russians" will lead Armenia to the West, and getting rid of Karabakh will do it even faster.
    The blame for the defeat will be shifted to a part of the military, and of spies in the highest echelons of power, they may even play the card of the fifth column, which specially sabotaged all decisions and orders on Karabakh, just to overthrow Pashinyan, etc.
    VVP speaks to them in almost open text through open letters from Russian influential Armenians - Pashik leave. Pashik does not leave - we see the result.
  • Amba412
    Amba412 30 October 2020 20: 55
    +2
    Oh well. Pashinyan is a reptile. But what happened to the army pro. Judging by the video of the Azeri, the company level control, the battalion, the brigade is completely absent. There is nothing!!!!; No intelligence, no disguise. It's not even PMA in tactics. This is some kind of Makhnovism.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 30 October 2020 21: 00
      0
      Businessmen, army professionals, and professionals in other areas have fled from the Karabakh collective farm and from Armenia in 30 years ... What should they do there? Sit in "Hakob" for thirty years?
      Sincerely
      1. Amba412
        Amba412 30 October 2020 22: 37
        +2
        They seem to have their own army, Karabakh. And this is their home!
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 30 October 2020 22: 49
          0
          It's funny. This is Azerbaijani land, and the Armenians are simply either gradually assimilated or squeezed out, now no other scenario is foreseen. Pashinyan did everything for such a situation.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 30 October 2020 23: 26
            -1
            Oil painting ... An Azeri "assimilates" an Armenian ... Excuse me, but do you have heterosexual fantasies?
            Sincerely
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 30 October 2020 22: 52
      +2
      Are the pros Armenians? Are you laughing or do you really believe this? At the end of the 80s I studied at the Air Defense Forces (Air Defense), and so we had one Armenian and one Azerbaijani. The Americans made a film about them: dumb is even dumber. The funny thing is that both got out, like professionals, but knew nothing and were not able to. Such pros are fighting against each other. I think the smart ones do not go to the army there, so they fight going to the attack in the style of the First World War.
      1. Amba412
        Amba412 30 October 2020 23: 06
        +1
        I was in Karabakh in 92. The principle, like in any war, is three battles, so alive means a pro. Yes, we had a low opinion of them, but they fought to the death for their villages
  • flicker
    flicker 30 October 2020 20: 57
    +1
    No Pashinyan would have come to power in Armenia (moreover, pushing the representatives of Karabakh away from power) if he had not been supported by the Armenian diaspora in the United States.
    ---
    The question is, for what or on whose instructions did the Armenian diaspora, in fact, decide to merge Karabakh?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 30 October 2020 21: 27
    +1
    As a "man of honor" No. , will shoot himself. Two bullets in the back of the head, as did one suicide who crossed the path of Bill Clinton and his shrew. Or cyanide ampoule like Adolf shot himself am ... Well, or hang himself, also with a test in the back of the head. And if it were in Japan, he would have done hara-kiri. In general, the whole progressive world and Tsores personally cries crying over his future destiny.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 30 October 2020 21: 48
    -2
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1549413248576392&id=616464525204607&m_entstream_source=video_home&player_suborigin=feed&player_format=permalink&anchor_composer=false
  • nnm
    nnm 30 October 2020 21: 57
    +1
    Woe to the vanquished ...

    Does the author know how that story ended for the author of these words?)))
  • IS-1
    IS-1 30 October 2020 22: 05
    -2
    What awaits Nikol Pashinyan in the event of the capture of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan

    The fate of Sakashvilli, one gang of Sorosians ..
    And what about the surrender of Karabakh to Aliyev? Most likely Aliyev will fall, Erdogan framed him.
    There Iran is very dissatisfied with everything that is happening, etc. Armenia is still a member of the CSTO and the Russian bases in Armenia are in full combat and the skies of Armenia are jointly patrolled by our fighters ..
    So all the most interesting is yet to come .. Aliyev is already asking for negotiations, but alas
    1. Sergey Matveev
      Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 33
      +9
      Quote: IS-1
      Iran is very unhappy with everything that happens

      He will not do anything, except if he completely closes the border.
      Quote: IS-1
      the most interesting is yet to come

      It's all complicated. Azerbaijan almost won this war, unfortunately.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 30 October 2020 22: 20
    -1
    what awaits, the Armenians are certainly hot people, but I think he will not get a job.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 30 October 2020 22: 30
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Of course not easy. Why I wrote from the age of 13, everything was no longer easy.

    Yes, everything is simple.
    For several years Gorbachev specialized in organizing the rest of party bosses in the south.
    got familiar there, then went to growth. A career very similar to Diagterev.
    And before Andropov's death, it was an absolutely controlled doll.
    And after a mass pestilence in the Politburo and the struggle of groups, the compromise post of General Secretary fell on Gorbachev, again it is very similar to how Brezhnev was chosen
    But Gorbachev, as a person, turned out to be much worse and we got not the second stagnation, but the collapse of the country.
  • Amba412
    Amba412 30 October 2020 22: 34
    0
    Yes, this Pashinyan surrendered to you all. You can appreciate the complete incompetence in command and control of troops and tactics !!!!!!!!!!!!! Kombats and company commanders did not appoint Pashinyans !!!!!!!
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 30 October 2020 22: 47
      0
      He determined the course for a break with Russia, as a result, Russia became more allied with Azerbaijan in the economy, in the sale of weapons, and only for this reason Azerbaijan moved forward. Well, the stupidity of the Armenian military has nothing to do with it, the Azerbaijanis are not better, Armenia is simply weaker. Pashinyan is to blame for this war.
      1. Amba412
        Amba412 30 October 2020 22: 52
        0
        But how not to do with !? One battalion with tanks and artillery can stay there for months. They are fighting for their home!
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 30 October 2020 22: 55
          -1
          Yes, they do not fight for their home, they run, I really want to live, they are not the same people. Yes, you can stay in the mountains for months, plus the partisans could do a good job of cleaning the rear of the Azeri, but this requires either Russians or Chechens, that is, warriors, and not cowardly hucksters.
          1. Amba412
            Amba412 30 October 2020 22: 59
            +1
            Don't confuse Yerevan with Stepan. These are two different cities with completely different people.
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        2. Magadan
          Magadan 30 October 2020 23: 25
          +2
          Amba, that you are talking to him. Well this is another fiery United Russia party. From the same opera, which called not to help Donbass in their time, they say, "we will not allow ourselves to be trapped." And then people like this "Viktor" threw themselves at Strelkov, for the fact that he did not "die heroically in Slavyansk," but to spite everyone, he loosened up the dill in the Izvara boiler, after which the Donbass could not be drained.

          You see, there are people like us, Russian patriots, and there are fiery United Russia members and loyal Zaputins who actively portray patriotism, but they are only interested in their loot, collected over the hill. And people like "Victor" may well be ordinary officials who are too fucking shit these days, so they sit and, by order of the bosses or the party committee of "EdRossni", knock on the keys during working hours, proving that now the Kremlin propogandons are profitable
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 31 October 2020 14: 06
            -2
            Well, here's another incomprehensible creature speaking in cliches. Alexey, what does Edros have to do with it? For your information, I have never voted for them and am their opponent, I hate it.
            Yes, I think that Donbass does not need to help, because I came across Donbass residents in the early 90s and can imagine what a Ukrainian of the East is like: the same Ukrainian who thinks only of himself, greedy, envious and hating Russia.
            It is necessary to think only about the interests of Russia, which does not and cannot have allies except: the army, the navy and the Aerospace Forces.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 October 2020 22: 44
    -4
    The Armenians themselves chose this misunderstanding, wished to join NATO and quarrel with Russia. It is necessary to withdraw the troops from Armenia and leave them to themselves, the enemy should not be defended.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 30 October 2020 23: 15
      +1
      Well, you should not expect anything else from you, as from all loyal pro-Putinites and fiery United Russia members. From people like you, it came at one time "miners-sit-on-f ...", "we will not-let-ourselves-incite", etc. etc.
      At the same time, in Odessa, the Nazis burned people alive.
      Bravo, Viktor Sergeev, you are a reliable pillar of the current government in Russia, which is actively posing as patriots, while continuing to build palaces for itself in the west.
      And people like you hawala.
      1. Amba412
        Amba412 30 October 2020 23: 31
        +3
        Thanks for the advice. I'm new to you. Just the topic hooked. In 92, more than a dozen kilometers in Karabakh passed. And I remember Voskepar like a bad dream. And the Baku OPON can count on us in the next world
        1. Magadan
          Magadan 31 October 2020 06: 51
          +1
          Quote: Amba412
          Thanks for the advice. I'm new to you.


          I'm old here smile since 2011 in my opinion .. I just happen to be rare. But the site is really good, well done owners hi not some propagandists there.
          So come back more often drinks

          Quote: Amba412
          Just the topic hooked. At 92, more than a dozen kilometers in Karabakh passed


          Yes, I hooked the wrong word!
          The fact that you were in Karabakh in 92m, certainly does honor to you
      2. kyznets
        kyznets 31 October 2020 10: 26
        -1
        Yes. The miners sat exactly. And yes, why did we have to get involved in the war in Donbass? And in Odessa that there was absolutely no one to defend people from the Nazis, except for the Russians? I am not an official, and not a United Russia party. But the officials, and the United Russia party, and such cheers for patriots, for me, are all over the head. Everyone should be responsible for their choice in the first place and no one: neither you, nor the residents of Odessa, nor Donetsk and Lugansk, nor Armenia SHOULD NOTHING. Has anyone helped Russia with something for the past 30 years? But for some reason we must ourselves and give our children to fight for them. It was Trotsky who believed that we should give everyone freedom, regardless of our sacrifices. So, comrade Magadan (Alexey).
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 October 2020 23: 59
      0
      "Don't be naive: the defeat of Karabakh is the defeat of Russia from Turkey." This is why it all of a sudden - Putin said yesterday that he would not mind going on the 5 + 2 principle to transfer these areas under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan, and even earlier said that Russia would not get involved in this conflict, since the CSTO does not apply to the NKR.
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 October 2020 10: 32
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        "Don't be naive: the defeat of Karabakh is the defeat of Russia from Turkey."

        yes, just the same, as you want to assign Russia to this. defeat in Karabakh is the defeat of Armenia from Azerbaijan.
        When you captured Karabakh, it was * the greatest victory for Armenia *, and now it is the defeat of Russia.
        Aren't you crazy?
        Quote: Vadim237
        - Putin said yesterday that he would not mind going on the 5 + 2 principle to transfer these areas under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan

        strange, huh? Considering that this is the territory of Azerbaijan laughing

        Quote: Vadim237
        and even earlier said that Russia would not get involved in this conflict, since the CSTO does not apply to the NKR.

        and he's right.
    2. kyznets
      kyznets 31 October 2020 10: 33
      0
      Do you have options to replace Putin? Do you really want Russia to fight in the NKR as well? Again "we will destroy everything to the core ..."? Ek shakes you from one extreme to another. From Pashinyan to Putin.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 30 October 2020 23: 39
    +1
    Those of the people who supported Pashinyan at his rallies and brought him to power should also share the blame with Pashinyan, because he did not fall from the moon ...
    Pashinyan came to power on the slogans of integration with the EU .... and the majority of the people were happy with this and supported him, how could one not quarrel with the Russian Federation after coming to power in order to go towards integration with the EU?
    The people of Armenia were ready, they were ready to renounce the Russian Federation, for the sake of European "cookies", the war in NKR simply came as a surprise to the people of Armenia, but this war could not be a surprise for the military of Armenia ...
    In essence, Pashinyan will be appointed guilty of everything, he will be betrayed by the electorate that brought him to power, and the Armenian military will write off their unprofessionalism on his betrayal to Armenia ...
    Nobody in Armenia will ask what the Armenian military, the people of Armenia and the Armenian diaspora abroad have done to win the war for Nagorno-Karabakh ...
    The United States brought Pashinyan to power with only one goal, to weaken Armenia, to embroil it with the Russian Federation and to help Turkey realize its ambitions in the Caucasus ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 00: 10
      0
      The United States now has extremely bad relations with the Turks - they obviously have nothing to do with Pashinyan, but rather Europe dragged him to power in Armenia.
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 October 2020 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The United States now has extremely bad relations with the Turks - they obviously have nothing to do with Pashinyan, but rather Europe dragged him to power in Armenia.

        Darth Werder brought him or the Papuans from New Guinea.
        laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 31 October 2020 10: 38
      0
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Those of the people who supported Pashinyan at his rallies and brought him to power should also share the blame with Pashinyan, because he did not fall from the moon.

      oh, well, honestly - what does Pashinyan have to do with it?
      the impression is that if someone else was in power, the Armenians would have fought differently.
      Quote: Lara Croft
      The people of Armenia are ready, they were ready to renounce the Russian Federation, for the sake of European "cookies"

      ready, not ready - what's the difference then? Russia wouldn’t go to save Karabakh

      Quote: Lara Croft
      The war in NKR simply came as a surprise to the people of Armenia, but this war could not be a surprise to the military of Armenia ...

      Well, in Armenia, 150 thousand million people live.
      therefore no one knew anything. laughing

      Quote: Lara Croft
      In essence, Pashinyan will be appointed guilty of everything, he will be betrayed by the electorate that brought him to power, and the Armenian military will write off their lack of professionalism on his betrayal before Armenia ..

      it's always like this, politicians are to blame for the military. they themselves can't do nichrome - and Pashinyan is to blame.
      Quote: Lara Croft
      The United States brought Pashinyan to power with only one goal, to weaken Armenia, to embroil it with the Russian Federation and to help Turkey realize its ambitions in the Caucasus ...

      come on. the fact that sooner or later Azerbaijan would return Karabakh was clear even to the deaf-blind.
      Pashinyan appeared in Armenia on time - there is someone to blame.
      The switchman is to blame - the military has nothing to do with it.
    3. Magadan
      Magadan 31 October 2020 23: 41
      0
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Those of the people who supported Pashinyan at his rallies and brought him to power should also share the blame with Pashinyan, because he did not fall from the moon ...


      ABOUT! Right! And now we must repent for Yeltsin for the rest of our lives.
      And for Putin, even though most of you still harbor illusions that Putin is not Yeltsin.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 31 October 2020 03: 18
    0
    Quote: Amba412
    fought to the death

    They fight to win, not die
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 October 2020 08: 38
    0
    both the comments of numerous experts and the statements of Armenian politicians about the Prime Minister of the country Nikol Pashinyan speak, which literally every day acquire an increasingly harsh and categorical tone.
    It was necessary to be active earlier, when he was brought to power, and now, when his face is in blood, only an examination of the reasons should be done. fool He is not alone, multi-vector. Soros and NGOs - out. angry Now it won't be as it was. And you will have to endure what has become, and yell that Russia has betrayed you. fool Until you understand that this is your crooked handiwork, gentlemen experts, you will rake on, and the continuation will be soon ...
  • Cop
    Cop 31 October 2020 10: 03
    +2
    Mr. Kharaluzhny! You and your ilk are not tired of kicking this Pashinyan. If everything that you described in the article is being implemented, guess three times who will be the next extreme ..... You'd better write an article about what threatens us with the defeat of Armenia in this war. You probably remember that Vladimir Vladimirovich pushed through the treaty of the Caspian states, one of the points of which was a ban on the deployment of foreign troops in the Caspian. What do we see now? That's right, NATO planes on the Caspian coast. Great foothold, isn't it? And who do you think is to blame for this?
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 31 October 2020 10: 05
    -1
    This game in Karabakh has a double purpose - to involve the Russian Federation. In any case, Russia will be accused of:
    a) Russia did not defend its ally in the CSTO and the CIS, it betrayed Armenians, fellow believers, gophers, cats, mice, and so on.
    b) Russia has committed aggression on foreign territory, bombed 100500 schools and hospitals, let's get sanctions.
    Such is the politician. request
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 31 October 2020 23: 38
      +2
      Quote: da Vinci
      Russia has committed aggression on foreign territory, bombed 100500 schools and hospitals, let's get sanctions.


      is it true? And who did these sanctions harm, except for Putin's friends-officials-oligarchs?

      Quote: da Vinci
      Russia did not defend its ally in the CSTO and the CIS, it betrayed the Armenians,


      It will be so. Because of your brother, fiery United Russia members and loyal Zaputins, the honor of my country suffers. But what is the honor of Russia to you? After Putin sent our national team to compete under white flags, what is your honor?
      We just understand Russia differently, what it is for and why God made it the largest and richest state in the World.
      Alas, do not understand people like you
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 1 November 2020 00: 26
        +1
        The honor of their country is defended by its people, not Pashinyan, Putin, Trump or Macron (respectively). An American does not owe a Frenchman, an Armenian does not owe a Russian, or vice versa in any combination, but everyone lives in a single world, under one sky. If it were not for the deceitful politicians, greedy covetous people, religious (or party) fanatics, apple trees would bloom on Mars long ago.
        As for the sanctions, I just gave an example of another political time trouble, nothing more (this is not a great discovery and almost everyone understands it), and the US sanctions (for any country) is a game without rules, or rather, according to the rules of whoever holds the enemy ... Even the USSR was not humiliated as much as Russia is now, and there are dozens of reasons for this. Whether it is bad or good is a philosophical question, but we have what we have.
        As for the national team, I am glad that you, as a patriot, never watch competitions where athletes under the white flag participated. Personally, I did not watch this Olympiad at all (the political and sports business does not interest me).
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 31 October 2020 10: 08
    +1
    Such hot guys, and for their native land, how did it come to this, they behave so modestly, and even to the Russian former invaders for help, they came running
  • raif
    raif 31 October 2020 14: 21
    +1
    It is time for citizen Pashinyan to call his colleague Saakashvili and clarify how he can nominate a candidate for mayor of Odessa. just not to visit us in Rostov laughing
  • alexandr_vd
    alexandr_vd 31 October 2020 15: 04
    0
    Execution or life-long penal servitude for such self-lovers - self-lovers - like Kerensky!
    No one should escape responsibility from the death of thousands of lives!
    On the other hand, with the change of power in Armenia, he had a chance to peacefully come to an agreement ...
    And he disappeared in Hell, you bastard!
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 31 October 2020 15: 49
    +1
    Well, what do you think will await Nikol Pashinyan in the event of the capture of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan? Who is he for Nagorno-Karabakh, the leader, the guarantor of stability and prosperity? - No.
    He will not commit suicide by ingesting poison or shooting himself, but will whine like a dog, calling for help from Russia, trying to pay for his ambitions with the lives of Russian soldiers. This "little shit" will simply "wash away" abroad with his entire family and from there will watch what is happening, and all NATO and the United States, not to mention Turkey, will not just laugh, but laugh loudly at our politicians and peacekeepers. Azerbaijan, having achieved its goal, will also recoil from us and it is quite possible that it will even join NATO. And then off we go: Donbass, Transnistria ... ..
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 1 November 2020 13: 36
      -1
      What do you mean "possibly will join"? In the place of the leadership of Azerbaijan, any adequate person would definitely try to join NATO as quickly as possible in order to secure the country from possible problems with Armenia or its allies in the future. And if the Azerbaijanis take Karabakh (and with the help of Turkey they will most likely do this), then the restriction on joining NATO will disappear.
  • Pastor
    Pastor 31 October 2020 17: 38
    +2
    Pashinyan is loved in Armenia because he is "more popular" than the previous ones: he does not hunt in a helicopter in reserves, business does not squeeze out into the open. At the same time, no one sees the closure of Russian schools at close range. As the saying goes: independence should be affordable, not borrowed.
  • Artura
    Artura 1 November 2020 03: 29
    0
    They wanted to take the Lachin corridor, they drowned there, and now they are trying to take Shusha. Yesterday about 400 of their pseudo-warriors were buried by the Armenians in the gorge.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 1 November 2020 10: 20
    +1
    Am I the only one who cares about the Armenians? They got what they deserved, led by their pro-Western leader. Get on the nuts, that's the price of betrayal.
    1. Seal
      Seal 1 November 2020 16: 37
      0
      Pashinyan differs Sargsyan only in that he still allows himself to say what he thinks. Sargsyan was no less pro-Western. But he did not forget to praise us in a timely manner. And on this basis, for some reason, it was considered pro-Russian. And what do not words say, but his deeds?

      Here Sargsyan opens a monument to the Nazi
      https://www.president.am/ru/press-release/item/2016/05/28/President-Serzh-Sargsyan-opening-ceremony-monument-of-Garegin-Nzhdeh/

      How did Sargsyan begin his presidency? Reading an interview with Grigor Grigoryan, an international expert on the control of zoonotic diseases and organization of veterinary health, the leader of the United Health Coalition (Armenia)
      More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/03/25/sistema-biologicheskoy-bezopasnosti-armenii-pod-upravleniem-ssha-intervyu
      During the reign of Robert Kocharian, Armenia worked closely with the US, EU and other donors in the fields of health and agriculture, which at that time were considered the main ones in the context of biological security, but without visible damage. fool for the sovereignty of the national biological safety system. laughing (my emoticons, express my attitude to the author's naivety or his bias towards Kocharyan).

      When did Armenia lose its sovereignty in the field of biological safety?

      - I cannot say exactly when, but I can say for sure that the situation with the sovereignty of the national biological security system in Armenia began to change after Serzh Sargsyan came to power in 2008.
      I believe that the events of March 1, 2008 played a key role in this (the Armenian opposition, led by the first President Levon Ter-Petrosyan, who ran in the presidential elections on February 19, 2008 and lost them to Serzh Sargsyan, then held rallies in the center of Yerevan expressing dissatisfaction with the official results of the vote, the protest actions turned into riots on March 1-2, ten people were killed, about 200 were injured. - Ed.), which, in my deep conviction, were a rehearsal of the bloody events in Ukraine in February 2014.
      I also believe that the sovereignty of Armenia's national biological security system was, if not the main one, then one of the main demands of the United States in exchange for a restrained position regarding the events that followed his election as President of Armenia (Serzh Sargsyan - Ed.) And ended with the tragic events of March 1 2008 year.
      I am not familiar with the details of this bargaining, but I know that immediately after the inauguration of Serzh Sargsyan, substantial negotiations began between the United States and Armenia on joining the program to reduce biological threats.
      Already at the beginning of 2008, the Ministry of Emergency Situations (MES) was created in Armenia, which was supposed to be responsible for the implementation of the program in Armenia, and if I am not mistaken, at the beginning of 2009, the MES of Armenia and the Pentagon have already concluded an agreement on cooperation in the prevention of proliferation of production technologies, pathogens and biological weapons testing ”.

      Apparently for this Sargsyan, during his official visit to the United States in 2011, was awarded a special medal "Ellis Island Medal", which is given for a special contribution to the development of relations with the United States of one or another foreign (for the United States) state. He was the first foreign president to be so honored and remains the only one so far.
  • Vilensky
    Vilensky 1 November 2020 11: 08
    +2
    The war in Karabakh is not our war.
    hi
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 1 November 2020 13: 32
    +2
    Let him ask his Soros for protection.
  • Seal
    Seal 1 November 2020 16: 17
    +1
    Quote: Magadan
    EVERYONE knows that the Russian people are FOR Armenia. Armenia is OUR ally. And Perdogan is the enemy.

    And what, you somewhere observe mass demonstrations of Russians demanding the Kremlin to protect Armenia ?? hi
    Let us not forget that speaking of friendship with us, Armenian politicians from the beginning of the 20th century began to focus on the United States. After the First World War, the Armenian delegation went overboard at the Paris Peace Conference to become a US-mandated territory. President Wilson himself promised the Armenians that it would be so. But at that time there was still no powerful Armenian lobby in the US Congress. And the US Congress did not support its president, refusing to take Armenia under mandate control.
    But by the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress was already the second most influential, after the Israeli one. Let me remind you that from 1,5 to 2,5 million Armenians live in the United States. And there are no poor among them. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one.
    After the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress immediately and very harshly put before the US Presidential Administration the question of the need to protect Armenia !!!
    And here the US Presidential Administration began scratching turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other issues important to the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way so as not to cause irritation of the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and full mutual understanding. And we still have not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where then the best friend of the USA - Andrei Kozyrev was in charge of foreign affairs.
    It would seem that at that time the simplest solution would have been to admit Armenia to NATO. But this would just anger both Turkey and Russia. Moreover, it contradicted the NATO Charter, since NATO cannot accept states that have territorial disputes with their neighbors. And Armenia is not something that has a territorial dispute - it generally occupied part of a neighboring country (Azerbaijan) and openly claims part of the territory of a NATO member - Turkey.
    You can place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how to explain to American taxpayers why the US needs a base also in Armenia, when there are already US bases in neighboring Turkey?
    And then the United States made a deft Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians ask for a base .... in Russia. And the Armenians, who had recently spit in our direction to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. And Kozyrev presented this matter to EBN in such a way that we supposedly could launch a hedgehog in the US pants and that the USA supposedly could not do anything to us. Of course, this proposal led EBN to delight. As a result, Kozyrev received another order, and Armenia received our base.
    And the USA joyfully rubbed their hands. Since this decision alone immediately killed a lot of rabbits.
    - Ensured the security of Armenia without quarreling with Turkey;
    - Saved money;
    - They laid a mine under Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations for decades to come.
    Now this unfortunate base, which is absolutely unnecessary for us to protect Russia proper, has a huge knotty log lying in the way of establishing relations between Russia and Turkey. Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, by the way, is also.
    That is, our base in Armenia is not only with the permission of the United States, but, in fact, on the instructions of the United States.
    Let me remind you that Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey, and does not hide it. And since we keep our base in Armenia, and even on the border with Turkey, it means that we, too, seem to support Armenia in its territorial claims.
    The best thing for us is to withdraw our base from Armenia soon and ... let anyone there arrange their bases - even the United States, even China, even India, even Ethiopia.
    Only having removed the base from the territory of Armenia, we will finally get the opportunity to establish honest (without a stone in the bosom) comprehensive relations with Turkey (and Azerbaijan), which even each individually is much more valuable to us than Armenia, and even more so.
    But the United States, for which the alliance of Russia and Turkey (and Azerbaijan), to which Iran will join is the worst horror, will make every effort to prevent the Armenians from allowing such an alliance.
    Therefore, it makes no difference to us who will take the helm of Armenia. Whoever stands up - all the same, he will be guided by the United States and follow the instructions of the State Department. At the same time, banging his chest with his fist for what a great friend of Russia he is.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 2 November 2020 10: 36
    -1
    They will put on a bottle of cognac.
  • Volga073
    Volga073 9 November 2020 08: 56
    0
    Pashinyan is a stupid liberal.