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Greece considered Turkish UAVs a threat to their tanks

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Greece views Turkey's active work on the creation and increase in the number of unmanned aerial vehicles as a direct threat to its national interests.


Turkish army drones could change the precarious balance of power in the region in favor of Ankara. Although Greece is formally Turkey's ally in the North Atlantic Alliance, it is no secret that there are tremendous tensions between the two states. As you know, the most used Turkish UAV is now the Bayraktar TB2. Turkish drones ANKA-S are also actively used in armed conflicts in the Middle East.

One of the Greek military reports claims that Turkish President Recep Erdogan is considering Greek ground forces, with such major combat tanks like the Leopard 2A6, 2A4 and 1A5, as well as partly the naval forces, a vulnerable target for Turkish drones.

The Greek media, in turn, focus on the use of Turkish drones in modern military conflicts, primarily in Syria, Libya and Karabakh. Most of all, the Greeks are afraid of the experience of Karabakh, where the drones supplied to the Azerbaijani army proved to be quite successful against the tanks and artillery of the Armenian side.

Nicholas Calis, a Greek political scientist, advises Athens to take into account the great threat to the ground forces from the Turkish UAVs. But it is not yet clear how the Greeks will be able to respond to the growing power of the Turkish armed forces. As it turned out, increasing the number of tanks and artillery in the current situation is almost pointless: in the fight against drones, they turn out to be useless.
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  1. MTN
    MTN 29 October 2020 10: 36
    -5
    They think correctly. Buy Torah, Armor and S-400 and you will be happy.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 29 October 2020 10: 51
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      MTN (KGB school)
      Today, 10: 36
      NEW
      +1
      They think correctly. Buy Torah, Armor and C-400 and we will be happy for you.
      The Merikatos will tear the Greeks apart like Tuzik a heating pad. wink
      1. MTN
        MTN 29 October 2020 11: 00
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        Quote: aszzz888
        The Merikatos will tear the Greeks apart like Tuzik a heating pad.

        Definitely)
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 06
      -1
      Yes, yes, and push them to the front line, where their artillery, long-range, gouged into the trash!
  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 29 October 2020 10: 39
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    As it turned out, increasing the number of tanks and artillery in the current situation is almost pointless: in the fight against drones, they turn out to be useless.
    Right! We still need to buy the S-300. We will make S-500 for these grandmothers ... for ourselves.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 10: 46
      -6
      Quote: NDR-791
      Right! We need to buy another S-300 from us.

      Yeah. Only this will not be enough.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 29 October 2020 10: 48
        +2
        Of course not enough. And everything else for a full-fledged air defense too. And we will speed up something else in development and adoption. And by the way, about the video ... Inflatable? or plywood? Or the calculations were first put to bed wassat
    2. MTN
      MTN 29 October 2020 10: 49
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      Quote: NDR-791
      We still need to buy the S-300.

      Greece already has the S-300.

      Quote: NDR-791
      We will make S-500 for these grandmothers ... for ourselves.

      Right! How else
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 29 October 2020 10: 40
    -1
    It is logical that against UAVs it is necessary to build up air defense, and in the form of air defense systems such as Panzer, TORs and BUKs, and fighters with powerful radars capable of detecting and hitting UAVs from a long distance without entering the enemy's air defense zone.

    Not wealthy Greeks should start buying the Pantsiri air defense missile system. They can somehow resist the UAV.
    1. And Makarov
      And Makarov 29 October 2020 10: 55
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It is logical that air defense should be increased against the UAV

      It is more correct to attack yourself using UAVs. Just repelling air strikes is a losing tactic in advance.
      1. MTN
        MTN 29 October 2020 11: 02
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        Quote: A Makarov
        It is more correct to attack yourself using UAVs. Just repelling air strikes is a losing tactic in advance.

        if there is no enemy air defense in a given region, then it is best to protect yourself from the drone, this is aviation. Aviation with air-to-air missiles is the most ideal weapon for drones.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 October 2020 11: 00
      +3
      Greeks are not rich only in line for a loan from the EU or the IMF. Before deliveries to Slovakia Block 70, they had the most powerful F-16 in Europe. Even more powerful than American ones (because in the suite itself - Advanced) wink .



      For air defense they have 4 battalions of 4 Tor-M1 batteries


      C-300PMU1 + 6 PAC III batteries.


      Plus 12 more positional areas of Skyguard Velos. They will also work well for UAVs. For there is just the right type of radar + 35mm Erlikons + PU Sparrow.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 29 October 2020 20: 08
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        hi
        The demon is with them, the Greeks. Even Turkey has put shock UAVs and ammunition on stream for them. And Russia has them, at the same time, as it was not and does not exist. On equipment, at least for sure.
  4. MTN
    MTN 29 October 2020 10: 41
    -5
    Or you can go the Armenian way, installation on the basis of such an anti-aircraft gun attached to the barrel (though if the drone first notices, I am not responsible for the consequences)
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 October 2020 10: 43
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    Well, it just came, only the echeloned defense of the air defense will save, Syria showed this, in contrast to Karabakh. And in general, the Greeks, let's divide the Aegean Sea into pieces. After Karabakh, Erdogan will take over you. Descendants of the Hellenes, do you understand.
    1. MTN
      MTN 29 October 2020 10: 50
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      Quote: tralflot1832
      After Karabakh, Erdogan will take over you.

      Where did you get such military secrets? Share sources)
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 October 2020 10: 57
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        You didn’t share your plans until the very end! ”Vaughn and Nataniyahu spoke Chinese, neither at all nor at all.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 October 2020 10: 53
      +2
      And in general, the Greeks, let's divide the Aegean Sea into hitches.
      One half of Russia at once, the second can be done a little later laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 October 2020 10: 59
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        Also an option, I like it! good
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 02
      +1
      What is the layered air defense in the forward units? In the area of ​​destruction of the enemy's cannon artillery can be
      It's like an offer - gouge me!
      In the depths of their orders, the order is sho hosh, even if it is echeloned, even if it is stationary, and on the front line only mobile systems and the Air Force!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 October 2020 11: 13
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        The detection and target designation systems should be located outside the reach and transfer everything to the advanced air defense units. Syria has probably run it in.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 21
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          In Syria, the brave Syrian commanders pounced on the "Barmaley" without proper cover from the air defense, air force, for which they received a blow from the Turks!
          Do not learn anything !!! Everything is the same as before, in the old days!
          But the support of the VKS of the ally, the normal army air defense, could have received if they followed the advice and learned from their own mistakes!
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 29 October 2020 11: 24
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            That's what pleases us, we learn from the UAV from other people's mistakes! good
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 30
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              Quote: tralflot1832
              That's what pleases us, we learn from the UAV from other people's mistakes! good

              There is a little useful in this matter, but ... it is very harmful to lose soldiers of the allied forces due to the weak competence of their command !!!
              They just have a shortage of troops, and this is bad for morale.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 29 October 2020 11: 37
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                We will not spread panic, there are seconded people here, they are trying their best! hi
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 42
                  +1
                  We must tell the truth ourselves! so as not to get a plausible, but essentially false, assessment from the other side!
                  Moreover, nothing new, critically secret, we, from our couch, cannot say, can not write ... especially such old grumblers like me, for example. Only a standard assessment of what everyone who is supposed to know and understand understands.
    4. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 October 2020 11: 33
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      Erdogan will take on you. Descendants of the Hellenes, do you understand.

      he will avenge them for Troy yet laughing although the Trojans are not directly related to today's Turks.
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  7. Denimax
    Denimax 29 October 2020 10: 53
    +1
    You can install laser radiation sensors on tanks, and then project a similar beam from the tank away from the tank on the ground. Should be confusing.
  8. MTN
    MTN 29 October 2020 10: 53
    -9
    Briefing of new volunteers from Armenia wassat
    Oh, I'm sorry for the little one

    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 October 2020 11: 08
      +2
      What weapons do they have? Can you tell me? And where did this come from in Armenia?
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 29 October 2020 10: 56
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    Nicholas Calis, a Greek political scientist, advises Athens to take into account the great threat to the ground forces from the Turkish UAVs.

    Any COMPETENT military expert would remind that the Air Force must be prepared to deal with such a "threat"! military air defense to prepare and equip to combat drones.
    Not a banana republic, after all, a NATO member, after all.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 29 October 2020 11: 08
    +1
    Where do so many air defense "strategists" come from?
    Used to read at least some kind of professional literature, to begin with!
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 October 2020 11: 25
    0
    One NATO member country fears another from the same bloc. So this other also rattles the weapon in front of the first. Some kind of surrealism. And the young members of this bloc (the Baltic states) still count on some kind of help in the event of a military conflict?
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 October 2020 11: 40
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      And the young members of this bloc (the Baltic states) still count on some kind of help in the event of a military conflict?

      they do not calculate anything. To calculate is to perform a meaningful action. And they have a simple fishy instinct - to stick to a large predator and feed on crumbs from his lunch.
  12. iouris
    iouris 29 October 2020 12: 14
    0
    What is Greece! Greece has everything. The question is at the border of the Russian Federation. And what will you do, fellow citizens, negotiate with everyone?
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 October 2020 12: 29
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    Correctly, the Greeks roused themselves.
    Generally speaking, all the General Staffs need to wake up and scratch their turnips: how to live on? recourse
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 07
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      Rapid-fire turrets with mini radars to produce so that they could be in position and pick-ups to put.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 October 2020 16: 22
        0
        Not an option. To reach drones in height, you need large-caliber anti-aircraft guns. Very massive. And a good radar for such a weapon is too expensive to scatter conventional shells.
        Inevitably, we come to guided missiles. K SAM.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 31 October 2020 13: 38
        0
        Quadruple Maxim - cheap and cheerful. Defensive on a tip from the radar.
    2. no one
      no one 30 October 2020 01: 41
      0
      Certainly correct. Before Karabakh, they considered the mountains on the border impassable. But it turned out to be very passable
  14. Kent0001
    Kent0001 31 October 2020 13: 35
    0
    Krasuha-4 and your sky will be a no-fly zone for drones. It's simple.