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The Armenian side announced another shot down by the UAV "Bayraktar" and showed the routes of their flights

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Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles "Bayraktar" conduct daily reconnaissance flights near the borders of Armenia. This increase in activity has been noticed since September 27.


The video, in which Gevork Simonyan, Technical Director of “Armairnavigation” talks about this, was published by the Government of the Republic of Armenia on its official Facebook page.

He presented a record of observations.

Comparison of the data showed that the Turkish UAV performs the functions of communication and command. The Armenian side claims that, being in the sky over Erzurum, the apparatus controls the actions of the Azerbaijani military.


Simonyan said that drones do not penetrate the airspace of Karabakh, being 30-40 kilometers away. The routes of UAV flights are presented.

Earlier it was stated that Turkish-made UAVs, including drums, operate over the territory of Artsakh.


Yesterday the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan held a briefing for journalists, where he spoke about the current situation at the front.


According to the publication “News Armenia ”, today the air defense forces of the Artsakh Defense Army managed to shoot down another attack drone“ Bayraktar ”of Turkish production.

In general, according to the Armenian side, the situation on the front line has changed insignificantly and remains stably difficult. Today, after 12 o'clock in the morning and closer to morning, the Azerbaijani military fired at Stepanakert and other settlements, using the Smerch MLRS.
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  1. times
    times 29 October 2020 11: 09
    20
    How many Bayraktars have already clicked, at least approximately? Does anyone count?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 11: 12
      +4
      2 Bayraktar + 1 ThunderB + a bunch of An-2. This is confirmed, not confirmed, the second round has already gone.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 October 2020 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        2 Bayraktar + 1 ThunderB + a bunch of An-2. This is confirmed, not confirmed, the second round has already gone.

        Five more pieces were dropped by Iranian air defense, of which 2 UAVs of Israeli production.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 11: 44
          -2
          Is there confirmation? Or another piece of news from a parallel universe?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 October 2020 11: 51
            11
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Is there confirmation? Or another piece of news from a parallel universe?

            I read it here. You can get acquainted - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6261602.html
            hi
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 11: 55
              -10 qualifying.
              I read it. 1 confirmed Bayraktar + 1 Harop. Everything else is the author's fantasy.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 October 2020 11: 55
            12
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Is there confirmation? Or another piece of news from a parallel universe?

            I read it here. You can get acquainted - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6261602.html
            hi

            Minus for the link? And why did they ask about the source of information then? request
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 11: 56
              +2
              I didn't minus. I am not the only one who read your messages.
            2. Nasdaq
              Nasdaq 29 October 2020 12: 05
              +5
              Probably a minus was put for the fact that the link was to the blog. Learn it blogging.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 29 October 2020 12: 25
                +9
                Quote: Nasdaq
                Probably a minus was put for the fact that the link was to the blog. Learn it blogging.

                Probably for the fact that the Israeli apparatus is mentioned, which, in the opinion of some of those present, cannot be brought down or forcibly planted, in principle. And so, "colonelcassad" was not noticed in the publication of unconfirmed information and is quite trustworthy. If we look at other sources, then they wrote about two confirmed "fallen" UAVs in Iran on 21.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, with reference to Al Masdar News. Here is a photo with the wreckage of "Harop"
                1. Nasdaq
                  Nasdaq 29 October 2020 12: 27
                  +3
                  I did not claim that this blog is spreading fakes.
                  I assumed that the very fact of linking to a blog caused this reaction.
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 29 October 2020 12: 29
                    +4
                    Quote: Nasdaq
                    I did not claim that this blog is spreading fakes.
                    I assumed that the very fact of linking to a blog caused this reaction.

                    Well, maybe you are right hi
                    1. Livonetc
                      Livonetc 29 October 2020 12: 42
                      +3
                      The reaction of representatives or supporters of any of the warring parties.
                      We are mainly above the conflict.
                      And the corresponding patriots or servicemen of information wars are trying to win us over to their side.
                      Not the first time.
                      "And we could fight a war
                      Against those who are against us
                      Since those who are against those who are against us
                      Can't handle them without us. "
                      Do not wait.
                      I would like to give a specific geopolitical slap to both of them.
                      hi
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 12: 34
                  +1
                  So Azeri tanks and other ground vehicles of these Harop "shot down" several dozen if not hundreds. Also count? It's strange to count kamikaze drones, ATGMs still start counting how many of them fell before reaching armored vehicles.
                  So far, it is known exactly about 28 downed Bayraktars (Syria + Libya) + 2 in Karabakh. Most likely more, but there is no reliable information.
                  1. times
                    times 29 October 2020 12: 50
                    19
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    While it is known for sure about 28 downed Bayraktars (Syria + Libya) + 2 in Karabakh

                    Thank you hi I asked about this.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 14: 26
                      +1
                      Information about losses with photo / video confirmation can be found here: https://lostarmour.info/
          3. CSKA
            CSKA 29 October 2020 13: 02
            -1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Is there confirmation? Or another piece of news from a parallel universe?

            Is there any confirmation of your words?
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 13: 49
              0
              Sori, I gave overestimated data, 100% of confirmed losses of 25 units Bayraktar TB2
              Losses in Karabakh:
              1 TB2
              https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/
              Losses in Libya
              21 TB2
              https://lostarmour.info/libya/
              Losses in Syria
              3 TB2
              https://lostarmour.info/syria/
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 29 October 2020 14: 38
                +4
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/

                That is, all of us here must trust one site together? And the fact that, for example, an Azerbaijani UAV could have been shot down on the territory of Azerbaijan and therefore there are no photos of it on the site, did you not think?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 14: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: CSKA
                  The UAV could have been shot down on the territory of Azerbaijan and therefore there are no photos of it on the website

                  Therefore, I say that such losses have already gone on the 2nd circle. If you believe these tales, nothing in Karabakh should not fly or crawl. Both sides are lying, so no words without confirmation.
                  Confirmation:
                  1. Photo / video
                  2. Independent Testimony
                  3. Official confirmation from both sides
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 31 October 2020 11: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Therefore, I say that such losses have already gone on the 2nd circle. If you believe these tales, nothing should not fly or crawl in Karabakh.

                    And who said that someone believes these bikes.
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Both sides are lying, so no words without confirmation.
                    Confirmation:
                    1. Photo / video

                    The video is full, but no one can say for sure the exact number. If, for example, the UAV of Azerbaijan is shot down, then it will most likely fall on the territory of Azerbaijan, and they will not report it.
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Independent Testimony

                    What evidence is there? It turns out that all the witnesses should be looked for, who are not yet known whether they will tell the truth.
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    3. Official confirmation from both sides

                    Nobody will wait. During all wars, without exception, all sides always underestimate their losses and overestimate others.
              2. Grits
                Grits 30 October 2020 06: 11
                0
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Losses in Libya
                21 TB2
                https://lostarmour.info/libya/
                Losses in Syria
                3 TB2

                Wow! Disciples from the Arab Jamahiriya turned out to be the best air defense fighters?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 08: 25
                  +1
                  It looks like the bayraktars were sent for slaughter
      2. venik
        venik 29 October 2020 15: 40
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        2 Bayraktar + 1 ThunderB + a bunch of An-2. This is confirmed, not confirmed, the second round has already gone.

        =========
        Well, it's not quite true ...
        Here is a collage from what I found on the Internet (far from a complete version - there are still a whole bunch of photos):

        PS Responsibility for credibility published I don't carry photos! This is already on the conscience of those who posted them on the Internet! .... Dates - according to the specified publication time.
        PPS But, if at least some of them reliable.... It turns out that at the end of October a star began in Karabakh ... (Sorry!) - "drone fall" !!! request
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 15: 46
          +1
          There is a list here, in the filter we select avia.

          https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/

          In the photo 1 Bayraktar (October 20,22,29 https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/item.php?id=26178), 2 ThunderB (I was wrong here)
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 29 October 2020 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: mal
      How many Bayraktars have already clicked, at least approximately? Does anyone count?

      The side counts are diametrically opposite!
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 11: 21
        +6
        Quote: neri73-r
        Quote: mal
        How many Bayraktars have already clicked, at least approximately? Does anyone count?

        The side counts are diametrically opposite!

        Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out. Or all at once. But flying has become less frequent, and chilling footage of their activities in the network also appears less and less.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 29 October 2020 11: 30
          +5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out. Or all at once. But flying has become less frequent, and chilling footage of their activities in the network also appears less and less.

          Maybe there are fewer goals for them. The armored vehicles were knocked out, and it is expensive to spend high-precision ammunition on the infantry
          1. saigon
            saigon 29 October 2020 11: 47
            +5
            Maybe fewer people know, but now, in order to win, you will have to climb the crossroads with infantry and without armor, then they would be useful in turn.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 30 October 2020 15: 39
              0
              And why, winter will come or the products will run out of their own accord, they will descend from the mountains and surrender.
              1. saigon
                saigon 30 October 2020 20: 03
                0
                You seriously think that there are only two roads to Armenia and paths for donkeys with luggage is strange.
          2. Leeds
            Leeds 29 October 2020 11: 56
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out. Or all at once. But flying has become less frequent, and chilling footage of their activities in the network also appears less and less.

            Maybe there are fewer goals for them. The armored vehicles were knocked out, and it is expensive to spend high-precision ammunition on the infantry


            The technique was knocked out, that's right. Now they hunt for groups of infantry, dugouts. Videos of fresh full Twitter. So, I am skeptical about the news: "All Drones were killed", "Krasuha planted a record number of drones." In general, Syria and Donbas with KamAZ Javelins and 200 Polish mercenaries in the DAP should have taught not to believe the news without documentary evidence, or at least be skeptical about them, I am silent about the spiritual and Ukropsky hyperbolic tales.

            PS I really want to see UAV formations worthy (in terms of quantity and quality) of our army, its glorious history and status.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 2 November 2020 06: 21
              -1
              Unanimous messages:
              1.The technique was knocked out
              2. Bayraktars are intact
              And not the other way around.
              I would like proof. The fact is that my classmate (an amateur graphic artist, but sometimes makes money) says that he will draw as many videos as from bayraktars.
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 October 2020 11: 32
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out. Or all at once. But flying has become less frequent, and chilling footage of their activities in the network also appears less and less.

          It means that soon, following the example of one very powerful army, they will begin to scream about Buryat horse breeders.
        3. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 29 October 2020 11: 33
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out.

          Greetings, Eugene. hi
          Articles appeared on the Internet that the Krasukha-4 electronic suppression complex was delivered to Armenia.
          Moscow deployed its Krasukha-4 drone destruction system in Armenia in response to Azerbaijan's use of the Turkish-made Bayraktar UAV with lethal weapons on board

          https://inosmi.ru/military/20201028/248418741.html
          Over the past day, Azerbaijan and Turkey have lost several dozen shock and reconnaissance drones on the territory of Armenia and the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR).
          The reason for the mass loss of Turkish and Azerbaijani drones was the 1RL257 Krasukha-4 Russian electronic suppression system deployed in Gyumri.

          https://newizv.ru/news/army/28-10-2020/rossiyskie-pvo-v-armenii-unichtozhili-rekordnoe-chislo-turetskih-dronov?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
          1. Leeds
            Leeds 29 October 2020 12: 01
            +4
            Why, out of several dozen, only number 151 got into the photo from fresh data? A good half should be destroyed over positions and territories controlled by the Armenians, not over Azerbaijan they were shot down. The Turks and the Israelis must be given credit for their work in the direction of the UAV, which cost dearly both the SAR and Armenia, to our deepest regret.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2020 12: 16
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            Moscow deployed its Krasukha-4 drone destruction system in Armenia in response to Azerbaijan's use of the Turkish-made Bayraktar UAV with lethal weapons on board

            wassat
            1. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 29 October 2020 12: 32
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Moscow deployed its Krasukha-4 drone destruction system in Armenia in response to Azerbaijan's use of the Turkish-made Bayraktar UAV with lethal weapons on board

              wassat

              Didn't understand what made you so happy? Links to articles are given to the texts. If you have data from the RF Ministry of Defense, share the original source.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2020 12: 42
                +8
                Quote: Vladimir_6
                Didn't understand what made you so happy?

                First, a statement about "in response". Russia is not at war with Azerbaijan, no matter how much Armenia wants it.
                Secondly, "Krasuha" in none of its variants is intended to "destroy UAVs". These complexes are designed to deal with enemy radars deployed on his aircraft.

                Quote: Vladimir_6
                Links to articles are given to the texts.

                laughing
                At best, it is fantasy, at worst, a provocation.
                1. Vladimir_6
                  Vladimir_6 29 October 2020 16: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  First, a statement about "in response". Russia is not at war with Azerbaijan, as much as Armenia would like it ...

                  Of course, it does not fight, just as Turkey and Israel do not fight on the side of Azerbaijan.
                  Everyone solves their own problems.
                  Secondly, "Krasukha" in none of its variants is intended to "destroy UAVs".

                  What is in open sources
                  Technical details about the complex are classified. It is argued that the capabilities of the active jamming station make it possible to effectively deal with all modern radar stations. According to some reports, the Krasukha-4 electronic warfare system is capable of jamming not only the signal of enemy radar stations, but also radio control channels for unmanned aerial vehicles.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 29 October 2020 16: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir_6
                    According to some reports, the Krasukha-4 electronic warfare system is capable of jamming not only the signal of enemy radar stations, but also radio control channels for unmanned aerial vehicles.

                    Can.
                    But how can a jammed control signal destroy a military UAV?
                    1. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 29 October 2020 17: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      But how can a jammed control signal destroy a military UAV?

                      Probably a UAV with a jammed signal simply loses control and crashes.
                      But I do not insist on this. I just shared information. If this is the case, then the details will appear. hi
          3. MTN
            MTN 29 October 2020 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            https://newizv.ru/news/army/28-10-2020/rossiyskie-pvo-v-armenii-unichtozhili-rekordnoe-chislo-turetskih-dronov?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

            Losses by vidos (according to oryxspioenkop) for yesterday and the day before yesterday

            Azerbaijan
            3x Unknown AFV (damaged and abandoned)
            2x Toyota pickup (1x destroyed, 1x captured)
            1x bait An-2 (destroyed)
            1x loitering ammunition SkyStriker (crashed)

            Armenia
            16x T-72
            3 xMT-LB
            1 xBRDM-2
            3x BMP-1/2
            2 BTS
            13 х122 mm howitzer D-30
            19x 152 mm howitzer D-20
            2x 152-mm Field gun 2A36
            1x 9K33 Osa SAM
            14x cars
            + LS
            1. Leeds
              Leeds 29 October 2020 15: 28
              +3
              Quote: MTN
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              https://newizv.ru/news/army/28-10-2020/rossiyskie-pvo-v-armenii-unichtozhili-rekordnoe-chislo-turetskih-dronov?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

              Losses by vidos (according to oryxspioenkop) for yesterday and the day before yesterday

              Azerbaijan
              3x Unknown AFV (damaged and abandoned)
              2x Toyota pickup (1x destroyed, 1x captured)
              1x bait An-2 (destroyed)
              1x loitering ammunition SkyStriker (crashed)

              Armenia
              16x T-72
              3 xMT-LB
              1 xBRDM-2
              3x BMP-1/2
              2 BTS
              13 х122 mm howitzer D-30
              19x 152 mm howitzer D-20
              2x 152-mm Field gun 2A36
              1x 9K33 Osa SAM
              14x cars
              + LS


              Comrad gives statistics on confirmed videos, offering to get acquainted with the confirmed information, and for this they threw minuses for it))) The man worked for you, by the way. We do not like bad news and numbers, we love good ones, they are ready to add them without any confirmation.
              In terms of numbers, what kind of counteroffensive is there? ... Technically, Armenia is being depleted due to the disposal of equipment and artillery, it is easier to collect drugs.
            2. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 29 October 2020 22: 25
              -1
              Quote: MTN
              Losses by vidos (according to oryxspioenkop) for yesterday and the day before yesterday

              Your list has nothing to do with the article under the link on the assumption of the placement of electronic warfare systems in the territory of Armenia.
          4. Asad
            Asad 30 October 2020 17: 15
            -1
            Well, we would put all dozens of Drones in one heap! And how did they end up on the territory of Armenia? All nonsense is collected by both sides! Either dozens of Drones were shot down, or hundreds of thousands of barmalei from Syria were somehow transferred!
        4. Professor
          Professor 29 October 2020 11: 55
          -9
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: neri73-r
          Quote: mal
          How many Bayraktars have already clicked, at least approximately? Does anyone count?

          The side counts are diametrically opposite!

          Judging by the decrease in the activity of these birds, they were either really thinned out, or the resource worked, or maybe the ammunition has run out. Or all at once. But flying has become less frequent, and chilling footage of their activities in the network also appears less and less.

          1. How do you monitor the situation in order to come to a conclusion about the decrease in the activity of Azerbaijani drones?
          2. The number of valuable targets for drones is decreasing and Azerbaijanis are increasingly hitting barns and even infantry.
          3. Increasingly, other means of destruction enter the battle. For example, long-range anti-tank systems and high-precision artillery. Drones provide guidance. Not smart artillery has worked since the beginning of the conflict and continues to work.
          4. IMHO the most chilling footage is a video made by an operator walking on foot and filming dozens of corpses. "Armenian special forces".
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 29 October 2020 12: 12
            +3
            The number of valuable targets for drones is decreasing and Azerbaijanis are increasingly hitting barns and even infantry.

            highly doubtful. Not so much equipment was lost in the clashes. The NKR army is equipped with the Armenian Defense Ministry and it is stupid to think that the damaged equipment is all that was. Most likely, they began to better observe the means of camouflage and possibly plugged holes in the air defense.
            Increasingly, other means of destruction enter the battle

            they worked from the very beginning. On their account there are no less defeats than drones, but no one notices it - everyone is busy blazing "oh, what cool drones!"
            IMHO the most chilling footage is a video made by an operator walking on foot and filming dozens of corpses of the so-called. "Armenian special forces".

            And what is the video with a guided projectile falling straight into a group of servicemen with bodies flying in all directions is more tender for the eyes than the troupes of killed soldiers of the other side? As always, you are biased. In another thread, I was convinced that the Jews do not drown for Erdagan. Comments of the representatives of the promised land themselves suggest otherwise.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 October 2020 12: 20
              +6
              "Not so much equipment was lost in the clashes." ///
              ----
              Not just a lot, but a lot.
              I would say: a record high for such a war.
              Called: "tactics of extermination of ground military equipment using drones" - a new page in the history of wars
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 29 October 2020 12: 38
                +2
                Not just a lot, but a lot.
                I would say: a record high for such a war.

                in relation to the total number of heavy equipment - not much. During the Six Day War, the Israelis lost 1/3 of the number of tanks that participated in the battles - about 400 units. In the battles for Grozny alone, we lost about 50 tanks. But this does not mean that both you and we then lost all armored vehicles
                Called: "tactics of extermination of ground military equipment using drones" - a new page in the history of wars

                no new page - do not invent. A drone is the same aircraft, only remotely piloted. If guided aircraft were used, one might think it would not cope with the task. Drones have only two advantages over the latter - the cost of the aircraft is lower and there is no risk of the pilot's death. All the rest - the audience cheated themselves, looking at the spectacular videos
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 October 2020 13: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  no new page - do not invent.

                  Let them come up with laughing

                  Let their "main ally" flow around. But he always considered himself a trendsetter in the field of destruction of armored vehicles from aircraft, almost starting from the Second World War. laughing

                  And then it turns out that this "tank massacre" declared by the Americans in Iraq and Yugoslavia is complete bullshit, and the real heroes and nagibators are Turkey and Azerbaijan. laughing laughing laughing
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 29 October 2020 13: 09
                  -2
                  Quote: Ka-52

                  in relation to the total number of heavy equipment - not much. During the Six Day War, the Israelis lost 1/3 of the number of tanks that participated in the battles - about 400 units. In the battles for Grozny alone, we lost about 50 tanks. But this does not mean that both you and we then lost all armored vehicles

                  In the Six Day Israel lost about 100 tanks - 1/8 of the existing ones. In the 1973 war - 800 armored vehicles - out of 1700 tanks and 3000 armored personnel carriers, etc.
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 30 October 2020 04: 45
                    0
                    Israel lost about 100 tanks during the Six Day - 1/8 of the existing

                    I will not argue whose figure is more plausible. But even in the case of 100 tanks, this is also incredibly large - much more than the videos showed. It's about perception. When it happens somewhere, only in the form of dry numbers, it does not shock the imagination. But when a naive viewer sees a drone hitting a defenseless tank in front of his eyes, he jumps up and shouts "WOW, this is a wunderwaffe!" This is pure psychology. How strange that many people, far from stupid, do not understand this.
              2. mole
                mole 29 October 2020 12: 42
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                "Not so much equipment was lost in the clashes." ///
                ----
                Not just a lot, but a lot.
                I would say: a record high for such a war.
                Called: "tactics of extermination of ground military equipment using drones" - a new page in the history of wars

                You are right about "record high". But a new page ?! Is that carelessness and complacency. The Armenians did not prepare for the war. But now I think they will grow wiser.
                You, after using the RPG and Pturov on Merkava, also worked on the errors?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 29 October 2020 12: 59
                  +3
                  Namely - a new page.
                  Look a little ahead: in a few years, drones will completely repeat the structure of manned aircraft. Attack drone interceptor drones will appear. But fighter drones will begin to shield their strikers from these interceptors. smile
                  The scouts are already there.
                  Jammers - yes
                  The radar drones are ahead.
                  This is called a new page.
                  And the trigger will be the Karabakh war.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 13: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The radar drones are ahead.

                    Already have.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 30 October 2020 07: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Namely - a new page.
                    Look a little ahead: in a few years, drones will completely repeat the structure of manned aircraft. Attack drone interceptor drones will appear. But fighter drones will begin to shield their strikers from these interceptors. smile
                    The scouts are already there.
                    Jammers - yes
                    The radar drones are ahead.
                    This is called a new page.
                    And the trigger will be the Karabakh war.

                    Israel, according to foreign sources, has 8 AWACS drones
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 29 October 2020 13: 13
                  -2
                  Quote: Mole

                  You are right about "record high". But a new page ?! Is that carelessness and complacency. The Armenians did not prepare for the war. But now I think they will grow wiser.
                  You, after using the RPG and Pturov on Merkava, also worked on the errors?

                  Of course we did. Moreover, in the course of this war, changes are already being made to the existing tactics of countering drones, and not only among the Israelis
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 19
                  -1
                  "The Armenians did not prepare for the war. But now I think they will grow wiser." Maybe they will wiser - but I doubt very much that this will give them money.
            2. Professor
              Professor 29 October 2020 14: 52
              0
              Quote: Ka-52
              highly doubtful. Not so much equipment was lost in the clashes. The NKR army is equipped with the Armenian Defense Ministry and it is stupid to think that the damaged equipment is all that was. Most likely, they began to better observe the means of camouflage and possibly plugged holes in the air defense.

              We have all seen how the means of camouflage "help". Confirmed equipment was destroyed a LOT.

              Quote: Ka-52
              they worked from the very beginning. On their account there are no less defeats than drones, but no one notices it - everyone is busy blazing "oh, what cool drones!"

              Do you have statistics of defeats of armored vehicles "by other means"?

              Quote: Ka-52
              And what is the video with a guided projectile falling straight into a group of servicemen with bodies flying in all directions is more tender for the eyes than the troupes of killed soldiers of the other side?

              Close-ups, CEP. These are not small black-and-white figures scattering on the screen like in an ancient computer game. Here are identifiable real people.

              Quote: Ka-52
              You are biased as always. In another thread, I was convinced that the Jews do not drown for Erdagan. Comments of the representatives of the promised land themselves suggest otherwise.

              Erdogan is an enemy of Israel. Why should we drown for him?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 30 October 2020 05: 12
                +2
                We have all seen how the means of camouflage "help". Confirmed equipment was destroyed a LOT.

                you consider yourself an intelligent person. But why such naive delirium?
                What's a lot? There is no such thing in statistics as "a lot". There is either an exact number or a ratio (to the intact, to the number lost by the enemy, etc.)
                Do you have statistics of defeats of armored vehicles "by other means"?

                there are only statements by the parties. Armenia declared about 80 destroyed tanks of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan does not sell tanks separately, states about "205 tanks and other armored vehicles." Based on the ratio of 450 tanks and 700 armored vehicles available to Armenia (1: 2), we will calculate that Azerbaijan destroyed 100 Armenian tanks. Of course, both sides lie and the losses should be divided by 2, or even by 4. In total, it turns out that for 100 destroyed Armenian tanks (including with drones), there are 80 destroyed tanks of Azerbaijan (without any drones, i.e. by these very "other means "). Is the logic clear? I hope the objections will not be of the "vivsevrete" type, but also logical
                Close-ups, CEP. These are not small black-and-white figures scattering on the screen like in an ancient computer game. Here are identifiable real people.

                all the snotty jerks, who here happily crow at the next similar explosion of a tank or a car with infantry, are poked with their muzzle into these corpses. Let them really feel what death smells like. They think they are funny pictures. They don't know what it smells of burnt TNT, urine, shit, blood. And this is not just a light aroma, but such a spirit that afterwards it will seem to you everywhere for a week, wherever you go.
                Erdogan is an enemy of Israel. Why should we drown for him?

                yes, not an enemy, do not be cunning.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 October 2020 07: 31
                  0
                  Erdogan's enemy first
                  This is a military review - secondly
                  In 1973, the same sensation was caused by the Babies used on Israeli Tanks, as well as the high-quality air defense of the Arabs.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 30 October 2020 20: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Erdogan's enemy first
                    This is a military review - secondly
                    In 1973, the same sensation was caused by the Babies used on Israeli Tanks, as well as the high-quality air defense of the Arabs.

                    1-yes.
                    2-yes.
                    3-no. In 1973, Israel won with 2400 casualties on 2 fronts. Armenia is losing and has already lost more.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 30 October 2020 21: 08
                      0
                      I'm talking a little about something else - the Jews quickly adapted and found opposition (infantry against babies, tanks for air defense, helicopters against tanks, etc.). Armenians - I didn't understand why they butted on the plains at all? The Azerbaijanis had to be dragged into the mountains right away - they just lost most of the heavy equipment
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 30 October 2020 21: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I'm talking a little about something else - the Jews quickly adapted and found opposition (infantry against babies, tanks for air defense, helicopters against tanks, etc.). Armenians - I didn't understand why they butted on the plains at all? The Azerbaijanis had to be dragged into the mountains right away - they just lost most of the heavy equipment

                        Why did you decide that Armenians have an advantage in the mountains? Armenians in general not ready.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 30 October 2020 22: 05
                        0
                        Because unfamiliar mountains are always a headache for attackers
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 31 October 2020 08: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Because unfamiliar mountains are always a headache for attackers

                        These mountains are also unknown to Armenians. Do not forget that Armenians from Armenia are fighting in NGOs now. Winter in the mountains is good for Azerbaijanis.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 08: 51
                        0
                        With local guides and the military
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 31 October 2020 09: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        With local guides and the military

                        You have a false idea about the mountains of Karabakh. This is not the Himalayas or the Greater Caucasus Range. This is something like the Golan (or whatever it is in Arabic) with Hermon, only more greenery. However, in winter, greenery does not matter. But even these mountains will play a cruel joke on the Armenians. They will be blocked by those two roads connecting Karabakh with Armenia and ...
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 09: 52
                        0
                        So now there are heavy battles - the Azerbaijanis began to burn the forests, smoking out infantry that were not visible from the air. And there are also all sorts of gorges and other garbage ... look at satellite images - plateau + ridges
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 31 October 2020 10: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        So now there are heavy battles - the Azerbaijanis began to burn the forests, smoking out infantry that were not visible from the air. And there are also all sorts of gorges and other garbage ... look at satellite images - plateau + ridges

                        Why a satellite? I was there myself. Now, if the Armenians were prepared ...
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 54
                        +1
                        Well, if there have been, I do not argue hi No, we did not prepare. They were confident in their fighting spirit and the laxity of the Azerbaijanis.
                      9. uhu189
                        uhu189 31 October 2020 11: 04
                        0
                        How do you think they should have been prepared? Fortifications were built, positions were in place, equipment was available, camouflage appeared even after a couple of weeks. To the point ... They would not have been able to create a relatively modern air defense system anyway due to the scarcity of resources ...
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 31 October 2020 11: 54
                        0
                        Quote: uhu189
                        How do you think they should have been prepared?

                        Not to tell what heroes they are and how they will take Baku.

                        Quote: uhu189
                        Fortifications were built, positions were in place, equipment was available, camouflage appeared even after a couple of weeks. To the point ... They would not have been able to create a relatively modern air defense system anyway due to the scarcity of resources ...

                        Air defense is a weapon of the weak. Armenia had to a) be friends with those, b) prepare seriously
                      11. uhu189
                        uhu189 31 October 2020 12: 06
                        0
                        Yes, you are right, pride comes before the fall ...
  • Professor
    Professor 30 October 2020 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: Ka-52
    you consider yourself an intelligent person. But why such naive delirium?
    What's a lot? There is no such thing in statistics as "a lot". There is either an exact number or a ratio (to the intact, to the number lost by the enemy, etc.)

    Looking at the list of confirmed destroyed vehicles. No statistics. Just LOT.

    Quote: Ka-52
    there are only statements by the parties.

    The parties' statements are not discussed due to the loss of confidence in them. I rely only on independent sources and material evidence.

    Why divide by 2 or 4 and not 3.1415? Why divide and not extract the square root? Where is the logic?
    And most importantly, where is the answer to my question? Do you have statistics of defeats of armored vehicles "by other means"?

    Quote: Ka-52
    all the snotty jerks, who here happily crow at the next similar explosion of a tank or a car with infantry, are poked with their muzzle into these corpses. Let them really feel what death smells like. They think they are funny pictures. They don't know what it smells of burnt TNT, urine, shit, blood. And this is not just a light aroma, but such a spirit that afterwards it will seem to you everywhere for a week, wherever you go.

    Why are these snot? There is such a thing as "plastic description". It is present in the rollers with corpses. The rest are not. That's all.

    Quote: Ka-52
    yes, not an enemy, do not be cunning.

    You are nobody to me and I have no reason to dissemble or not dissemble. I expressed my opinion to you. Believe it or not. Marvi Marmara ...
    1. Soho
      Soho 1 November 2020 19: 40
      0
      Looking at the list of confirmed destroyed vehicles. No statistics. Just a LOT.

      Armenia also destroyed a LOT of Azerbaijanis' equipment. Can you refute this? Or blabby again?
      The parties' statements are not discussed due to the loss of confidence in them. I rely only on independent sources and material evidence.

      You are either an idiot or a demagogue. There are no "trustworthy" sources in a war. Most often, more or less accurate data appear AFTER the end of the war, and even then not always - the data from different sources still differ.
      And most importantly, where is the answer to my question? Do you have statistics of defeats of armored vehicles "by other means"?

      A fool's question, as we read above
      Why are these snot? There is such a thing as "plastic description". It is present in the rollers with corpses. The rest are not. That's all.

      All videos show murder. And to blow bubbles while sitting on the couch that "this is more, and this is less cruel" can only verbiage like you
      I expressed my opinion to you. Believe it or not.

      Pile up a bunch of homna in the comment, and then declare "this is my opinion, put up with it" is your well-known tactic laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 November 2020 20: 30
        -1
        Quote: Soho
        Armenia also destroyed a LOT of Azerbaijanis' equipment. Can you refute this? Or blabby again?

        Where is the list that you propose to me to refute?

        Quote: Soho
        You are either idiot, or a demagogue.

        Hami your dad and mom. Conversation is over.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 5 November 2020 04: 30
          0
          Quote: Soho
          Armenia also destroyed a LOT of Azerbaijanis' equipment. Can you refute this? Or blabby again?


          Where is the list that you propose to me to refute?

          A non-professor asks for a list, and just above as a "list" just wrote:
          We have all seen how the means of camouflage "help". Techniques for confirmed data was destroyed LOT.

          and more:
          Looking at the list of confirmed destroyed vehicles. No statistics. Just a LOT.

          again the "professor" got into a puddle laughing
        2. Professor
          Professor 5 November 2020 13: 25
          +3
          Quote: Ka-52
          Quote: Soho
          Armenia also destroyed a LOT of Azerbaijanis' equipment. Can you refute this? Or blabby again?


          Where is the list that you propose to me to refute?

          A non-professor asks for a list, and just above as a "list" just wrote:
          We have all seen how the means of camouflage "help". Techniques for confirmed data was destroyed LOT.

          and more:
          Looking at the list of confirmed destroyed vehicles. No statistics. Just a LOT.

          again the "professor" got into a puddle laughing

          Do not be so killed. You will never be killed. wassat I have no complaints about my list.

          I would like to see the comrade's list.
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        8. Professor
          Professor 6 November 2020 10: 36
          +1
          Where is the list of destroyed equipment, my young friend? wink There is nothing to discuss without a list.
        9. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 November 2020 10: 43
          0
          Where is the list of destroyed equipment, my young friend? wink Without a list in you there is nothing to discuss.

          Compressor, and you are not discussing. The whole discussion ended there, above the comments. When, on my reasonable questions, you slipped into trolling and clowning. Even other people write to you:
          You are either an idiot or a demagogue. There are no "trustworthy" sources in a war. Most often, more or less accurate data appear AFTER the end of the war, and even then not always - the data from different sources still differ.

          and all of you with some kind of "lists" trying to hit fool
        10. Professor
          Professor 6 November 2020 10: 48
          +3
          The client has merged. And how many were show-off. wassat Don't you know how to use a search engine? The list is publicly available. There is a photo by TO EACH of the destroyed and captured 181 tank T-72. It's a lot!!!!
          Sit down. Two again. Do not retake, we will expel. hi
        11. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 November 2020 10: 53
          0
          Don't you know how to use a search engine? Publicly available list

          no source - all your statements are no more valuable than farting.
          It's a lot!!!!

          The compressor has already been told several times about the relativity of the concept of "A LOT", but to see a fool at least break his forehead - to no purpose.
          Merged customer.

          perhaps merged. Talking to an idiot - even I ran out of patience hi
  • genisis
    genisis 29 October 2020 14: 04
    +2
    Professor, there are quite a few of the same unpleasant video with the corpses of Azerbaijani soldiers. At the very end of September, in the north, the commander managed to bring out an entire company of askarians directly under the cross machine-gun fire.
    The bodies are still in the same place.
    I don’t insert the video.
    If you want, you can see the link
    https://youtu.be/0whO4fnzAKY
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 29 October 2020 12: 37
    0
    Taking into account the fact that Canada "cut off the oxygen", they could have just kept it "until better times" for now.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 29 October 2020 11: 18
    0
    Quote: mal
    How many Bayraktars have already clicked, at least approximately? Does anyone count?

    ===
    ) and what else?
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 29 October 2020 11: 36
    +8
    It doesn't matter .. at least 5, at least 10 ..
    Here you see the video, how they beat the Armenians - in each video there are at least a dozen tanks and other equipment .. let alone dugouts and scattering infantry - do not count !!
    So, several shot down UAVs cannot be compared against such Armenian losses.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 29 October 2020 11: 54
      +5
      Judging by the videos, the Armenians have no tanks left for a long time, and their ghosts have been burning lately.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 29 October 2020 12: 07
        +5
        Similarly, you can think of the ghosts of drones ..
        At this point, either believe what is ... or not believe anyone ..

        Shl .. I'm just inclined to believe that the Armenians have almost no tanks left ..
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 29 October 2020 13: 59
          +1
          It would be correct not to believe any of these talkers, but people are dying on both sides anyway, and this is sad.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 29 October 2020 15: 59
      0
      This is called: when the shells were not purchased.
      Tanks in niches up to 300 were definitely not knocked out.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 October 2020 12: 35
    +3
    And what's the point - one was shot down in exchange, Turkey supplied three more with weapons.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 12: 53
      -2
      The maximum take-off weight of Bayraktar TB2 is 650 kg, the equipment weight of the VAZ-1111 "Oka" is 645 kg. And the joy seemed to have shot down the B-52.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 29 October 2020 14: 04
        +1
        Okushka costs from 30 sput per Avito, and Bayraktar is a few green lemons and this is a big difference, and then the allies refused to supply Turkey with engines ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 21
          +1
          These engines Turks can easily take from ATVs and motorcycles - they found the same problem with the engines for me.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 29 October 2020 21: 15
            +2
            Vadim urgently patent, and you can still use the "friendship" chainsaw, but this will already be import substitution
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 October 2020 11: 16
    +2
    From what they suddenly began to track it down, it means that the Armenian diaspora in the United States has found the key to the Karabakh sky.
  • Bully
    Bully 29 October 2020 11: 22
    +4
    Normally, the Turks were trolled: "You are following us, but you are also being watched. Guess three times who?" wink
    1. lucul
      lucul 29 October 2020 11: 57
      +1
      Normally, the Turks were trolled: "You are following us, but you are also being watched. Guess three times who?"

      But they were sure that the UAVs are invisible to the radar)))
  • Operator
    Operator 29 October 2020 11: 23
    +2
    The UAV can only perform the functions of a repeater, people are in command (for now) laughing
  • Ulrih
    Ulrih 29 October 2020 11: 26
    +6
    And where is Alena-Baku, the fake KGB officer, etc., who froth at their mouths the entire section of comments flooded as soon as the Armenians fired at some city? Why are they silent now when Stepanokert was again fired upon by their brave fellows or when yesterday the hospital was bombed?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 29 October 2020 11: 31
      +7
      Quote: Ulrih
      And where is Alena-Baku, the fake KGB officer, etc., who froth at their mouths the entire section of comments flooded as soon as the Armenians fired at some city? Why are they silent now when Stepanokert was again fired upon by their brave fellows or when yesterday the hospital was bombed?

      Well, you don't know the rules of the info war!?! We don't notice where we ourselves are, where others are - we disperse the stench as much as possible !!! hi Kindergarten right ... (c)
      1. mole
        mole 29 October 2020 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: neri73-r

        Well, you don't know the rules of the info war!?! We don't notice where we ourselves are, where others are - we disperse the stench as much as possible !!! hi Kindergarten right ... (c)

        To the point, well said! Bravo!!!
    2. Artura
      Artura 29 October 2020 11: 32
      +2
      They went to change diapers))))
    3. saigon
      saigon 29 October 2020 11: 48
      +5
      saliva is collected in a company to apply in the evening
  • Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 29 October 2020 11: 55
    0
    The statement about the shot down as in a bearded joke:
    An 80-year-old grandfather comes to the doctor:
    - Doctor, my old woman and I can only once a month and then not always.
    - So what, this is normal for your age.
    - Duc, my neighbor, he is 82, says that he can at least every night ...
    - Grandpa, but who's stopping you from telling? ...

    Only here is a neighbor to whom 82 even provides a video of his adventures
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 October 2020 12: 24
      +3
      Congratulations! You are the thousandth participant of the form, which published this anecdote on VO! The administration will send you a gift to your home and assign you the next rank fellow fellow good
  • svoit
    svoit 29 October 2020 12: 31
    +2
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    on the infantry to spend precision ammunition, it is expensive

    People are the most precious thing. And yellow on them?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 October 2020 12: 54
    +2
    Why Trump was thrown with a truce. He was offended and he is very vindictive. The answer is simple where does the United States have the largest embassy with the largest staff? Heavy artillery turned on.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 29 October 2020 13: 29
    0
    Yesterday the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan held a briefing for journalists, where he spoke about the current situation at the front.

    Where are the journalists? Is the situation so "boring and uninteresting" that a briefing takes place in an empty hall?
  • Old26
    Old26 29 October 2020 15: 30
    +4
    Quote: CSKA
    That is, we all here must believe in unison on one site.

    There is another. For example https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
    At least this information is much more accurate than the pictures that Armenia represents with the loss of the Azerbaijani side

    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
    Judging by the videos, the Armenians have no tanks left for a long time, and their ghosts have been burning lately.

    According to the "Military Balance 2020" reference book, Armenia has 110 tanks, NKR has from 300 to 371. In total, 400-471. According to open data, the number of destroyed tanks ranges from 150 to 170.
    The numbers, 250 or 305, I think are too high. This data MO AzR
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 23
      +2
      And several dozen more armored vehicles were captured as trophies. 471 tanks - how many are serviceable?
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 29 October 2020 16: 03
    -1
    Quote: Ulrih
    And where is Alena-Baku, the fake KGB officer, etc., who froth at their mouths the entire section of comments flooded as soon as the Armenians fired at some city? Why are they silent now when Stepanokert was again fired upon by their brave fellows or when yesterday the hospital was bombed?

    The city of Barda was shelled, it is a fact, there are casualties. It is also a fact that Stepanakert was fired on or bombed, this time there were no casualties at the hospital, but there are wounded in other areas.
    Both sides are now publishing lists of "legitimate military targets" proving that they had the right to hit - some in the city center with a bunch of people, others near the hospital. Some publish passers-by killed on the street, people burned in cars, others post a video of the moment of the explosion of a shell or bomb at the maternity hospital turned into a military hospital plus covid chambers.
    No one will say to both of them - you cannot shit, do not torment the anus. The strikes will continue, the Azerbaijanis have also begun to target the entire leadership of Karabakh, they are now arranging meetings in the kindergartens, perhaps they also sat in the maternity hospital turned into a hospital, there is enough intelligence for that, the Armenians will aim in response and, by and large, hit anywhere, otherwise not to say, they have been unable to get anywhere for a month now, except for residential areas at night and busy squares and streets.
    In short, either the missiles are expired, or the gun barrels are crooked, or the brains are not enough, choose who you like. But okay, MLRS missiles, cannon artillery also smack at civilians, but this is still an accurate instrument.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 30 October 2020 15: 28
    0
    "Comparison of the data showed that the Turkish UAV performs the functions of communication and command. The Armenian side claims that, being in the sky over Erzurum, the apparatus controls the actions of the Azerbaijani military."

    Thanks, Cap! We didn't even know belay
  • uhu189
    uhu189 31 October 2020 11: 48
    0
    I'm interested in something else. How did Iran shoot down Azerbaijani drones? It is unlikely that they have advanced air defense systems in the border areas. And why it so happened that the Armenian air defense did not see the approach of the UAV and missed strikes on the S-300 and OTRK, and Iran shot them down immediately when crossing the border. What is it - the incompetence of the air defense of Armenia and the competence of the air defense of Iran or the difference in the quality of equipment and the reassessment of our equipment?