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Western Europe proposed to reduce dependence on the United States in the military sphere, the President of Lithuania opposed

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The contradictions that have escalated between France and the whole of Western Europe on the one hand and Turkey on the other, have again sharpened the issue of problems with NATO's partnership.


Recall that a new round of tension in relations between Paris and Ankara was the statements of Emmanuel Macron regarding the Islamic religion and the subsequent reaction from Recep Erdogan. Among other things, Erdogan decided to go to court regarding the statements of certain European politicians against him, as well as the appearance in the controversial Charlie Hebdo of a caricature of him, the Turkish president.

Against this background, Europe again started talking about the fact that the European Union needs its own, unified security system, which could become a kind of "European NATO".

Recall that these statements were made a few months after the aforementioned Macron announced the "death of NATO's brain."

European politicians, gravitating towards the right, noted that finding Western Europe in a military alliance with Turkey "not sharing Western values" makes no sense. In addition to this, it was said that the European security system, the armies of European countries "are totally dependent on American weapons and Chinese technologies." In this case, Chinese technologies are understood mainly as means of communications, gadgets, and computer equipment.

In particular, it was noted that the EU countries need to focus on the development and production of their own military and dual-use products in order to get rid of dependence on the United States and China. In particular, the need to reduce dependence on the United States in the military sphere is also indicated. This is said to help EU countries save up to € 100 billion annually.

The Baltic countries strongly disagree with such theses. Thus, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said that "it is impossible to invest in the European security system without taking into account the factor of American support." According to Nauseda, the Baltic states "understand very well that the US participation in the European collective security system is a major factor."

Gitanas Nauseda, opposing the initiative to reduce dependence on the US military component:

This factor provides us with 100% security. We are talking about the fact that there can be no competition in Europe with NATO structures, with the United States. Otherwise, it could affect the ability of the North Atlantic Alliance to fulfill its mission.

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  1. cniza
    cniza 29 October 2020 09: 38 New
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    Lithuanian President opposes


    I am amused and thank you, but in general the Tribalts are now not having a very good time ...
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 29 October 2020 09: 41 New
      +4
      Envy ahead of them was born)
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 October 2020 10: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Alien From
        Envy ahead of them was born)


        And gave birth to stupidity in them ... yes
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 29 October 2020 21: 40 New
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          Thus, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said that "it is impossible to invest in the European security system without taking into account the factor of American support." According to Nauseda, the Baltic states "understand very well that the US participation in the European collective security system is a major factor."

          Sometimes in America they think that they have worms. But no, news reports come out, and again the Baltic states.
    2. marchcat
      marchcat 29 October 2020 09: 42 New
      +6
      it's not a good time ...
      Well, as the saying goes: not all the cottage cheese ... is necessary and the muzzle on the threshold.
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 October 2020 10: 09 New
        +5
        Soon they will start rushing about, and some of them are already learning the language ... lol
    3. novel66
      novel66 29 October 2020 10: 08 New
      +4
      it seems to me that there is an economic component here - the Americans pay more for the presence of the Balts than the Balts in NATO, the balance is positive ... Vitya, hello hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 October 2020 10: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Americans pay more for the presence of the Balts than the Balts in NATO,


        Maybe they started paying, but then? Greetings! hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 October 2020 10: 22 New
          +4
          and then as they want, well, actually, as always lol
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 October 2020 13: 33 New
            +4
            And then they are in a pose and work out everything that you received before, and then goodbye ...
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 14: 05 New
        +1
        Novel hi well, I don’t believe you are serious
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Americans pay more Balts for presence than Balts in NATO, the balance is positive.

        Striped ones do not pay them anything: Americans use them in everything and they still spend on it. Support from the Anglo-Saxons? Let the beginning of WW2 be remembered - they promised a lot - they leaked without even apologizing
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 October 2020 14: 19 New
          +2
          Tramp hi it seems that it is customary to pay for the bases, although this is crooks ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 14: 33 New
            +2
            Roman, they themselves are pulling these bases to themselves, not without a "magic kick" of course. In Eastern Europe, the Americans promoted and invested only in the RAI / Regional Airspace Initiative, the Baltic part is BaltNet at the turn of '98 approximately. This is Airspace Observation, which has been integrated into the air defense of western Europe and is the basis for the development of active air defense. We invested 40 liams in the whole Baltic States, guess who appeared next? Correctly Lockheed Martin Oceanic Division - offering radars: 117th at that time about 16 lams, if necessary, at least a dozen - a good deal. Beware of the Danes who bring gifts ...
    4. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 11: 28 New
      +6
      Victor hi
      Quote: cniza
      Lithuanian President opposes
      I amused and then thanks ...

      Amused the wrong word. They sit on subsidies from Europe and at the same time are ready to give themselves to the striped ones even every day, they think Europe aka Germany and France will tolerate this. Against him - who asks him at all, the recently voiced anecdote about the light cutlet is very suitable for these
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 October 2020 13: 40 New
        +3
        Greetings Tramp! hi

        I do not know what they think to themselves, but they have completely lost the shores, but soon they will have to bow down ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 13: 50 New
          +2
          Viktor, they have already said many times - you cannot argue against geography: well, you have a neighbor, moreover, a huge one - live and do your gesheft, the Balts will certainly have enough. But
          Quote: cniza
          they have completely lost the shores, but soon they will have to bow down ...
          lol eka you politically correct expressed - bowing ... I hope that the management will apply a different practice, they will not get off with a bow. Again, I hope that the Russian Federation will have enough will to promote its interests with economic instruments - against property rights, for example, you will not trample on enterprises
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 October 2020 13: 58 New
            +2
            Well, who's smarter, I don't mean politicians, they are already learning Russian ...
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 14: 36 New
              +1
              Victor, look at the president of the same Lithuania - I think he speaks in Russian no worse than you and me, with a charm of accent ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 29 October 2020 15: 02 New
                +2
                This is true, but it seems to me that they will run away to warm lands, they have something with them, but the people ...
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 15: 15 New
                  +1
                  And who needs them in those parts? He ate his tie and ate, and all the errand boy
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 29 October 2020 16: 07 New
                    +2
                    Mishiko is in the service and fulfills what was invested in him, and these no one ...
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 16: 35 New
                      +1
                      Neither they themselves, nor the peoples of these countries, nor their opinions are of interest to puppeteers: the buffer of them has already been blinded, with the help of the same BaltNet, the air target detection line was displaced two hundred kilometers deep into the territory of the Russian Federation, data is pumped into the western centers of the air defense - more they are not required. By and large - cleverly acting with a carrot, at the expense of the Baltic countries, they blinded an early warning system for Western Europe; while writing off in advance the entire Baltic states.
                      But this whole ideology is based on the flawed postulate of the Russian Federation attacking these countries - does Russia need it? No, definitely
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 29 October 2020 16: 46 New
                        +2
                        Yes, their fate is not enviable, they only need territory, and no one plans to spend on the people ...
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 17: 00 New
                        +1
                        Why spend money on them? It's cheaper to fill your brains with all kinds of trash, identify the culprit and for a fool aka you don't need a knife, you will sing a little to him and do what with him ....
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 29 October 2020 17: 24 New
                        +2
                        The brains are already clogged there, there is a natural elimination ...
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 17: 46 New
                        +1
                        This will not be the case
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 29 October 2020 17: 53 New
                        +1
                        They lull themselves with "scientific" research, they say, everything has stabilized:

                      6. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 18: 28 New
                        +1
                        Victor, do not believe it, many years ago, a large, literally, the computer of the PribVO headquarters predicted that the population would decrease: then, probably in '75, the numbers were constantly growing and no one attached importance to the computer's forecast, but he was right.
                      7. cniza
                        cniza 29 October 2020 19: 11 New
                        +2
                        But, as during the period of "occupation" they grew ...
                      8. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 19: 51 New
                        +1
                        Immigration from the Baltic states recently had another problem: if at first, when the labor markets of Europe were opened, people without special skills rushed from the countries, roughly speaking to pick up strawberries, then a few years ago people who were decently packed began to leave, who are doing well there, but taking their children away prospects. Nobody thinks about coming back. Now they lure out the remnants of specialists, any: turners of a decent level, divers are recruited to leave, drivers are leaving.
                        The big PribVO computer was very smart
                      9. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 20: 08 New
                        +2
                        Victor, who disagrees with us so much? Gulchatay, look your face crying well, at least say a word, we will discuss
                      10. cniza
                        cniza 29 October 2020 20: 35 New
                        +3
                        No, it won't seem like a banal coward ...
                      11. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 21: 07 New
                        +2
                        No, well, when I do not agree, I am even very much for, but say a word. I'm just worried - what if the big computer was wrong lol
                  2. cniza
                    cniza 29 October 2020 20: 37 New
                    +2
                    This is a disaster for them, their own economy has collapsed, and by the efforts of E.S. and they are waiting for all the pros - beauty, and what will happen in the Baltic States does not bother them ...
                  3. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 21: 10 New
                    +2
                    By the way, many pros choose the Russian Federation, it sounds strange but true.
  • Guru
    Guru 29 October 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    Tribalts are mattresses. In this vector, Europe will soon ask Russia to occupy the Tribaltic.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 October 2020 10: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Guru
      In this vector, Europe will soon ask Russia to Occupy the Tribaltic.

      And in figs they are needed? Let Europa deal with them herself, as well as with the USA.
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 29 October 2020 10: 11 New
      +2
      There will be no - the Tribals regularly buy European products, partly on European subsidies, respectively, Europe pulls out of them in full, having a sales market in the person of Tribals, and not having competitors for their products in the person of themselves and Russia. Russia will come and establish its own rules. And its EuroNATO should at the same time subordinate the Tribalts from the United States in the political field. And then European money is not fully worked out - it's not good! wink
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 October 2020 09: 56 New
    +4
    The Baltic countries strongly disagree with such theses.
    How can the limitrophes agree with this, who have a portrait of the President of the United States in the red corner and who pray to him at least 3 times a day. It is high time for old Europe to think not only about its army, but also how to get rid of freeloaders in its eastern part who constantly put a spoke in their wheels.
  • Rage66
    Rage66 29 October 2020 10: 01 New
    +7
    The animals in the forest decided to reduce their dependence on the hunter ... laughing
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 October 2020 10: 03 New
    0
    European politicians, gravitating towards the right, noted that finding Western Europe in a military alliance with Turkey, "not sharing Western values," does not make any sense.
    The campaign of the Turks is being pushed further and further away from NATO. This is good for us. And in relation to the Lithuanian one-point - croaking in the swamp.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 29 October 2020 10: 05 New
    +1
    Tribalt brakes again lol About the fact that ...
    ... The European Union needs its own, unified security system, which could become a kind of "European NATO"
    And he is about his ...
    this could affect the ability of the North Atlantic Alliance to fulfill its mission.
    He is about what he needs to do, but he expects 100% safety from Nata, sick. 100% security is provided only by the state insurance, or rather the state horror - the Strategic Missile Forces.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 October 2020 10: 09 New
    +1
    We give 100500 billion euros to the Balts and lo and behold, and Baba Yaga is no longer against but for! fellowGermany and France give, not us.
  • venik
    venik 29 October 2020 10: 13 New
    +3
    "....make investments in the European security system without taking into account the factor American support, impossible..."
    =======
    Like this: all the "dreams of independence" ended with the search and finding "rich the owner"!!! request
  • Palkan
    Palkan 29 October 2020 10: 54 New
    +1
    Naturally the Balts are against it, because they are on the payroll of the Americans)
    The mongrels will lick the hand with which they feed until the last.
  • pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 29 October 2020 11: 23 New
    +1
    ..... in particular, the need to reduce dependence on the United States in the military sphere is also indicated. This is said to help EU countries save up to € 100 billion annually.

    The Baltic countries strongly disagree with such theses. Thus, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said that "it is impossible to invest in the European security system without taking into account the factor of American support."



    The amount of euro subsidies for the Baltic countries has been about 3,5 billion euros per year over the past five years, more than half of which came from Lithuania (1,6-1,9 billion euros).

    The Balts talked to eat sprat again, and ... not to go into debt.
    EU - Soviet Union 2.0
  • Victorio
    Victorio 29 October 2020 11: 23 New
    +1
    According to Nauseda, the Baltic states "understand very well that the US participation in the European collective security system is the most important factor."
    ===
    this is understandable, because it allows the state, its ruling elites, to "fearlessly" and regularly shit towards and against Russia
  • APASUS
    APASUS 29 October 2020 12: 55 New
    +1
    Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said

    Who is this anyway?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 October 2020 12: 57 New
    +2
    The most important factor (of European security) is not to attack Russia. For the rest, do whatever you want
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 29 October 2020 14: 43 New
    -1
    Not envy or stupidity, the Baltic countries (and in many respects Poland and other countries) are more likely American satellites than the EU, so they will serve the interests of the United States in all military-political issues. And under what pretext they will do it - the tenth thing.
  • razved
    razved 29 October 2020 21: 06 New
    0
    Western Europe proposed to reduce dependence on the United States in the military sphere, the President of Lithuania opposed

    Just like in the Soviet cartoon about the Olympic Bear - "Baba Yaga against" wassat
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 30 October 2020 14: 28 New
    +1
    It's time for Europe to think about the Tribals and Poland. They live on subsidies from the EU, and serve the interests of the United States, let the states feed them)))