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Donetsk promises to take care of the militias

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Really wait?



On October 21, 2020, the head of the DPR finally signed a decree approving the procedure for issuing documents confirming the status of a participant in hostilities and a family member of the victim in the defense of the Donetsk People's Republic. By decision of Denis Pushilin, now these issues will be dealt with by military commissariats, which will have to make a decision on the authenticity of the documents provided to them within 30 to 60 calendar days, and then issue an appropriate certificate to the applicant, after which a cornucopia will open over his head.

So far, however, no one has a clear understanding of what exactly the social protection of the former militias and households of the deceased defenders of Donbass will be. So the coveted certificate may well remain an ordinary souvenir for an indefinite period. However, since the beginning has already been made and it even came to issuing certificates, I want to believe that the promised social protection will not have to wait another seven years.

It's easy to say ...


The question, of course, is not only to find funds for a program to support ex-militias and the families of the fallen soldiers. We still need to live up to this, because it is not entirely clear how much it will take to debug the system. Given the marvelous qualities of the local military registration and enlistment offices, it is hard to believe in their ability to quickly accept and process the data of everyone (they would do their job on time). Not to mention the problems that may arise when trying to prove that the applicant really was a militia, and precisely a participant in hostilities, and not a staff member or served in the commandant's office.

This is an interesting question, by the way. Will numerous militias engaged in reconnaissance (for example, penetrating into territory controlled by the enemy), training personnel, repairing equipment, etc., have the right to a certificate of a participant in hostilities? Or will it be exclusively about those who directly participated in the clashes? And what exactly is meant by fighting? Are clear statements and criteria ready?

And how can you prove your participation in them? In battle, no one takes pictures and does not shoot video, but just like that, in the rear, with weapons in those days everyone was taking pictures in their hands. No one issued any IDs in the spring and summer of 2014, besides, the fighters sometimes rode from unit to unit like grasshoppers. As for the proposal written in Pushilin's decree to prove his participation in the database with the help of three witnesses, this is generally unlikely. For example, since the spring of 2015, the author has seen only one of his comrades in arms, and even then, by accident, only once in a wheelchair in 2018. In general, the process will be complex and stressful.

Going into battle ...


By the way, one more important question: how many such certificates will be received by people who never approached the front line and did not approach the front line closer than a kilometer? Otherwise, one cannot forget the exploits of the award department of the now disbanded DPR Ministry of Defense, which sold medals to everyone at a low price: medals for the defense of Slavyansk were worn even by the secretaries, and the defense participants themselves spat disgustingly. Has a serious control mechanism been worked out so that the employees of military commissariats do not distribute the identity cards of the database participants to their relatives and friends?

In general, the decree of the head of the DPR, on the one hand, is fateful and long-awaited, but at the same time, this document does not guarantee at all that at least one former militia or the widow of the Donbass defender will receive some money as a result of this decision of Pushilin in the next five years. Of course, one shouldn't be surprised. The attitude to the military personnel of the people's militia does not stand up to criticism. So is it worth waiting for special favors for those who left the slender ranks long ago?

The question is rhetorical. Much more important than the other. Considering all the nuances of the attitude towards former and current defenders, all the stupidity and injustice of the command and complete oblivion by the government, can the republics seriously count on the activity of local and Russian volunteers in case the bloody mess starts again?
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 October 2020 12: 04
    +1
    A twofold solution. On the one hand, it is a manifestation of statehood, on the other hand, if there are lists, then they can be “merged”.
    By the way, why such "efficiency", really? Or again, damned Bandera interfered with keeping records and taking care of the fighters?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 October 2020 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      A twofold solution. On the one hand, it is a manifestation of statehood, on the other hand, if there are lists, then they can be “merged”.
      By the way, why such "efficiency", really? Or again, damned Bandera interfered with keeping records and taking care of the fighters?

      If we talk about accounting, then some difficulties and confusion may arise in the counting of fighters from the "purely militia" who went "under the corps", or remained up to a certain point in subunits such as "Fifteen" or "Patriot" not included in the corps.

      Lists what ... When I was drawing up a contract at the Snezhny GVK, I met a guy who had passed Slavyansk (I already wrote about this), and so he then reproached the GVK employee for being slow in working with documents, that our personal affairs end up in Kiev earlier than in the part ...
      That is, that is ... "Draining" is possible. No one will give guarantees.

      But yours, the Leader, banderlozhtsy drain everything and everyone ... So it's not scary. Who is destined to be hanged will not drown.

      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      By the way, why such "efficiency", really? Or again, damned Bandera interfered with keeping records and taking care of the fighters?

      Bandera? You are the Leader, of course, with your idolatry before the Outskirts, do you think that they are not there, and they cannot negatively influence the situation in Donbass? And they shit yes

      "Efficiency" ... Just someone in Novocherkassk, nevertheless, decided to put the edge of injustice, according to which the wounded or the dead, or generally just the guys who fought, remained "on the sidelines" for the war ...
      The time is ripe to eliminate the infringement of the citizens of the Russian Federation also in this ...
  2. Machito
    Machito 30 October 2020 12: 06
    +5
    Everything is as usual: the Motherland will not forget its heroes, but it will not remember either. Sadness.
  3. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 30 October 2020 12: 11
    +1
    after which a cornucopia will open over his head.
    At whose expense do you plan to fill the horn?
  4. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 12: 29
    -5
    Well I do not know. Volunteers should not have statuses and pensions. It turns out, we admit that in 2014 they went to fight for a pension and a badge, and not for an idea. Moreover, the idea was just pissed away.


    As for the LDNR army in recent years, I see no reason to overcomplicate, copying the legislation of the Russian Federation does not need a lot of cleverness: there is both about the participants and about the pension.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 October 2020 12: 47
      +5
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Well I do not know. Volunteers should not have statuses and pensions. It turns out, we recognize that in 2014 they went to fight for a pension and a badge, and not for an idea.

      So there is a contract to be signed, but there can be no status? And what about widows, orphans, disabled people?
      Should they be thrown, not given their due? Moreover, this is true for the guys of the "first wave" and those who substitute their foreheads for bullets now ...

      Also offer to deprive the guys of money allowance, so that it would be cool at all.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 12: 57
        +4
        Did the "first wave" sign any contracts? I called them volunteers. People left jobs with often high incomes and went without any contracts to another country. And they fought not for the LPNR, but for the expansion to the west of a completely different country, correct if I'm wrong.


        And everyone who signed a contract with the LDNR is already contract servicemen. Volunteers de jure, of course ..
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Did the "first wave" sign any contracts? I called them volunteers. People left jobs with often high incomes and went without any contracts to another country. And they fought not for the LPNR, but for the expansion to the west of a completely different country, correct if I'm wrong.

          Is it only about volunteers from Russia, Israel, Serbia, France, Italy, Germany, USA, etc. ...?
          For example, I am a local, and also an ex (hopefully temporarily) volunteer contract ... How are we? In general, "take out the brackets"? Yes, and there are still quite a few boys from the Russian Federation at war ...
          And who told you that this is not a temporary, intermediate, "republican" decision before our entry into the Russian Federation?
          The question is simply topical, it has long ripened ...
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 13: 12
            +2
            And about any, what's the difference where? I am telling you that people went for one idea, and it is proposed to give statuses and medals for a completely different one. And if there still turns out to be a pension of a thousand so in one and a half rubles - for many it may simply be offensive to leave.

            What do brackets mean? You are a veteran of military operations, you acted strictly according to the laws (well, I believe in it :)) of the state for which you fought. According to the laws of this state, benefits, pensions, statuses and so on should be assigned. Here, as I wrote above, copying the laws of the Russian Federation is not a tricky business.

            There is nothing more permanent than temporary, unfortunately. Watch PMR.
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              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 13: 28
                0
                Curiously, is the absence of a record due to the fact that such a record is not provided for by law, or is it a decision on the ground - not to record it?

                I have nothing against if we are talking about people who made contacts with the LPNR and thereby recognize these republics.

                I drew attention to the fact that not all the first volunteers would agree with this wording.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  Curiously, is the absence of a record due to the fact that such a record is not provided for by law, or is it a decision on the ground - not to record it?


                  The decision is on the ground, although it is possible that it was decided so in the MO (not in the building). There is no regulatory framework, the status is not defined.
          2. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 13: 36
            +1
            Insurgent, please tell us for a general development and a more complete understanding of the meaning of your comments:

            1. Are you in the ranks of the militia (Sun LDNR) from the very beginning, from the age of 14?
            2. Before that, were you a military serviceman of the Armed Forces or a civilian?
            3. Are you currently "out of work" for health reasons, or for some organizational reason?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 55
              0
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              1. Are you in the ranks of the militia (Sun LDNR) from the very beginning, from the age of 14?

              From 16 to the end of the 19th.
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              2. Before that, were you a military serviceman of the Armed Forces or a civilian?

              Completely civil. He served in the USSR.
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              3. Are you currently "out of work" for health reasons, or for some organizational reason?

              He left after starting to serve the fourth contract, but seeing that "war is not war"and tendencies to change the situation are not expected - gone.
              It was stupid to sit in the trenches, it was drawn. I will see that the movement has begun - I will return.
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 14: 05
                +2
                What made you join the service at 16? "War which is war" had already ended by this time, but the LPR was fully formed in the form of states. I am sorry if I am formulating something incorrectly.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 30 October 2020 14: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  What made you join the service at 16? "War which is war" had already ended by this time, but the LPR was fully formed in the form of states. I am sorry if I am formulating something incorrectly.

                  "They have formed" ... And 2/3 of our territory, what, you need to give? We, at the moment, let our fellow countrymen forgive for the incorrectness - "stubs" with which it is a shame to enter Russia ...
                  When we return at least our own, then we can talk about something as a completed action. In case the order does not follow to move on.

                  On account of the fact that "in the 16th it was all over" are not entirely right ... Intense mutual exchanges of fire persisted from almost everything, our MLRS and tanks were working, then we were still given the opportunity to answer in full, and there was still a possibility that we would still go forward. Moreover, the command constantly reassured us with this ...

                  But politics ... Big politics. And business. Money...
                  1. Igor Semenov
                    Igor Semenov 30 October 2020 15: 08
                    0
                    with whom it is a shame to enter Russia too
                    Do you still think this is possible? There is no mockery in the question, please believe
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 30 October 2020 15: 09
                      -3
                      Quote: Igor Semenov
                      Do you still believe that this is possible?

                      Everything goes to this.
                      1. Kronos
                        Kronos 30 October 2020 22: 20
                        +1
                        What's going on with this?
                  2. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 15: 24
                    0
                    "They have formed" ... And 2/3 of our territory, what, you need to give? We, at the moment, let our fellow countrymen forgive for the incorrectness - "stubs" with which it is a shame to enter Russia ...


                    By themselves, the two areas are also a "half measure", it seems to me. At the same time, the adoption of constitutions, in fact, consolidates these areas as independent states that do not have intelligible goals, similar to the rhetoric of the 14th.
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 30 October 2020 15: 27
                      -2
                      Quote: Sancho_SP
                      By themselves, the two areas are also a "half measure", it seems to me.

                      What can I say request ? The Kremlin then did not dare to take active steps ...
                      But they would have dared, and the Crimean bridge would not have to be built, at least in the near foreseeable future, because there would be a land route even to Poland ...
                      For fast and cheap ...
                      Without the current hemorrhoids with the Bandera outskirts and the prospect of getting American and British bases and missiles at hand.
                  3. pereselenec
                    pereselenec 31 October 2020 01: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    And 2/3 of our territory, what do you need to give?


                    And did the population of these 2/3 of "your" territories somehow express their position? Does it organize rallies for joining the LPNR? Fights with cops in squares like Ukrainians with Berkut in 2013/14? Organizing a partisan movement in the rear of the occupiers? Shoots Ukrainians in the backs? Is he derailing Ukrainian echalons?
    2. pereselenec
      pereselenec 31 October 2020 00: 59
      0
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Well I do not know. Volunteers should not have statuses and pensions. It turns out, we admit that in 2014 they went to fight for a pension and a badge, and not for an idea. Moreover, the idea was just pissed away.

      I support 100%: either you are a volunteer, who took up arms at the call of your heart (like Che Guevara), or a mercenary who feasted on a long ruble. The third is not given - either take off the cross, or put on your pants.
  5. maktub
    maktub 30 October 2020 13: 04
    +1
    Are the lists for "amnesty for members of illegal armed groups" being prepared or vice versa under the law "on collaborationists"?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: maktub
      Are the lists for "amnesty for members of illegal armed groups" being prepared or vice versa under the law "on collaborationists"?

      Is there anything more reasonably justified besides this nonsense?
      1. maktub
        maktub 30 October 2020 13: 12
        0
        Putin's words: - "LDNR is the territory of Ukraine". And what awaits you in the event of the implementation of the MS, are you thinking?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 17
          +2
          Quote: maktub
          Putin's words: - "LDNR is the territory of Ukraine". And what awaits you in the event of the implementation of the MS, are you thinking?

          We know that, we them read и have understood unlike you laughing fool

          Moreover, the points of the MC are few, not enough, but the Russian side agreed with us. Of course, not everything suits us, but this is a compromise ...

          And here you are what ... Your fate ... When you complete ALL points of the MS, de facto become the Kiev province without the ability to influence us, and when you try to rock the boat, you generally disappear from the map ...
          1. maktub
            maktub 30 October 2020 13: 30
            -1
            When you join, Ukrainian legislation will come into effect.
            According to the MC, there should be "amnesty" and at the same time they want to introduce a law "on collaboration", here is such a passage.
            And the lists of b / d participants can be entered there and there, so I asked
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 38
              0
              Quote: maktub
              When you join, Ukrainian legislation will come into effect.
              According to the MC, there should be "amnesty" and at the same time they want to introduce a law "on collaboration", here is such a passage.

              You will be able to apply your passages along with ugly legislation on our territory exactly as it is now - IN ANY WAY.
              According to "Minsk", we still have our own army, and the police and self-government bodies ... When he signed the agreement he knew about it wassat , but signed ... Debaltseve was very much lol .

              The ultimatum agreement was drawn up by experienced politicians, diplomats, lawyers, not like your maydauns ...

              There, every letter is verified, so as not to leave you loopholes. So you are spinning like an eel in a frying pan ...
              "They didn’t read, they didn’t understand, then they understood, but not so"... They sailed, banderlozhtsy, stop around the corner yes yes
              1. maktub
                maktub 30 October 2020 13: 54
                -1
                It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines
                And how much do you think a lot of you "earnest" will remain in the self-government bodies after the elections, the result of the PS, the National Corps, Svoboda, as they say on the scoreboard
                People from you are `` stoned '' on both sides, to put it mildly, are tired
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 30 October 2020 13: 58
                  0
                  Quote: maktub
                  And how much do you think a lot of you "earnest" will remain in the self-government bodies after the elections, the result of the PS, the National Corps, Svoboda, as they say on the scoreboard

                  And "otsi klotsi" will not be allowed to participate in the elections. You yourself recognize them as extremist groups and the like ... lol
                  1. maktub
                    maktub 30 October 2020 14: 10
                    -1
                    Is that how you decided? Don't tell my "genitals"! I don't think they will.
                    The "refugees" will return from the territorial Ukraine and you will also be on the fly at the local elections, like the aforementioned "boys"
          2. major147
            major147 30 October 2020 13: 53
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            We know that, we read and understood them, unlike you

            Here today I read this article https://topcor.ru/17137-konec-russkoj-vesny-donbass-predlagaet-sdatsja.html?utm_source=politobzor.net article. True, at the beginning of the article it is said about "the meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group on November 14", but the article was published today. If you can, please comment hi
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 October 2020 14: 00
              -2
              Quote: major147
              Here today I read this article https://topcor.ru/17137-konec-russkoj-vesny-donbass-predlagaet-sdatsja.html?utm_source=politobzor.net article. True, at the beginning of the article it is said about "the meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group on November 14", but the article was published today. If you can, please comment

              Now I will look, and if I understand some of the FAQ, and I can comment, I will definitely answer yes
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 30 October 2020 14: 08
                +3
                Quote: Insurgent
                https://topcor.ru/17137-konec-russkoj-vesny-donbass-predlagaet-sdatsja.html?utm_source=politobzor.net


                You know ... A quick glance is enough to understand that this is stuffing and nonsense.

                In addition, a comment on this "sensation" (I reviewed it in several sources):

                «14 November at the meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group in Minsk, representatives of the DPR and LPR presented the so-called Roadmap of actions for the peaceful resolution of the conflict.



                Michael October 30 2020 in 13: 10

                In general, from what date and year is this "news"?

                More details at: https://avia.pro/news/donbass-obyavil-o-kapitulyacii-i-gotov-vernutsya-v-sostav-ukrainy
                1. major147
                  major147 30 October 2020 15: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  In general, from what date and year is this "news"?


                  In my opinion some kind of crap.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 30 October 2020 15: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: major147
                    In my opinion some kind of crap.

                    It is called - Information war.
  6. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Curiously, is the absence of a record due to the fact that such a record is not provided for by law, or is it a decision on the ground - not to record it?


    The decision is on the ground, although it is possible that it was decided so in the MO (not in the building). There is no regulatory framework, the status is not defined.


    That is, there is a mechanism for accounting for participation in the database (at least as an entry in a military ID), just for some reason these entries were not made en masse (?). Do I understand correctly?

    It turns out that there is also a status, as they say, by definition (it is written in the ticket that you participated - it means you participated, right?). There is only no insight and privilege for this status, right?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 October 2020 14: 01
      -2
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Quote: Insurgent
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Curiously, is the absence of a record due to the fact that such a record is not provided for by law, or is it a decision on the ground - not to record it?


      The decision is on the ground, although it is possible that it was decided so in the MO (not in the building). There is no regulatory framework, the status is not defined.


      That is, there is a mechanism for accounting for participation in the database (at least as an entry in a military ID), just for some reason these entries were not made en masse (?). Do I understand correctly?

      It turns out that there is also a status, as they say, by definition (it is written in the ticket that you participated - it means you participated, right?). There is only no insight and privilege for this status, right?

      There is a page with a column in the DPR WB, but no entries.

      Sorry, you asked me to comment on something, I will read ...
  7. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 4 November 2020 19: 03
    +1
    1) Previously, they didn't care.
    That sometimes creeps in both in articles and in articles about the possible extradition of those in the Russian Federation.
    2) Was the goal such a goal? A buffer zone of tension has been created.
    All the first management, they wrote, completely changed, left back to Russia or died.
    3) All hopes for better and stabilization - there, people's socialism, economic ties with Russia, a higher standard of living than in Ukraine, collapsed and did not come true.
    It is run by oligarchs, corrupt officials, people are forced to go to work in Russia and Ukraine. (there were articles here)