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"It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

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"It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

Some time ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin offered the United States to extend the START-3 treaty without any preconditions for another year. However, the American side actually refused such a proposal from the head of the Russian state.


We will remind that earlier the United States withdrew from the anti-missile defense treaty, unilaterally left the INF Treaty. In other words, practically all Russian-American agreements in the field of various weapons by the United States have either already been ignored or will be ignored due to their unwillingness to extend their validity period.

The formal reasons are stated in the following form: "Russia is violating the treaties" and "The treaties need to be expanded through the introduction of other countries, primarily China." Russia is not going to argue with the second thesis, but makes a remark: "To introduce third countries into existing agreements, you need to conduct a dialogue with them, and not break existing agreements by withdrawing from them yourself."

In fact, the goal of the United States in this case is different. American elites dream at times when they managed to drag the USSR into an extremely costly arms race. In the absence of contracts, the race was conducted, as they say, "all bad". This also became an additional factor in the depletion of the resources of the Soviet Union against the background, to put it mildly, of the strange policy of the late Soviet ruling clans.

Realizing that treaties with Russia a priori do not provide an opportunity to create the basis for the imposition of a new arms race, the United States is acting according to a simple principle: we destroy the treaty base itself. This is the main method for today, which fits into the thesis: "It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation."

The goal is this: to create conditions under which Russia can get involved in an arms race at the present stage. In turn, this should, according to the United States, significantly increase the level of spending on the military sphere in Russia, creating a new economic imbalance and repeating possible mistakes of the USSR. Accordingly, the task is to weaken Russia against the background of the fact that purely economic sanctions did not work to “tear the economy to shreds”. Even extremely low oil prices, which led to considerable problems in the Russian economy, still did not lead to the scenarios that Washington would have wished for - it turned out to be more expensive for itself to stimulate the fall in oil prices below critical levels - the American shale industry was hit.

That is why the United States decided to go from its usual direction - the one that gave them an effect during the existence of the Soviet Union.

In such a situation, there can be only one option for Russia: if you don’t want to extend the agreements, whatever you want, it’s up to you to practice inflating the budget even to a trillion dollars ... To compete with the American military budget for Russia in any case is pointless, and therefore it is worth giving States have to compete with themselves in this regard.
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  1. Mytholog
    Mytholog 29 October 2020 08: 24
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    US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

    The controversial question is who is now imposing the arms race on whom.
    Looking at the hysterical efforts of the United States to hypersound, one might think the other way around)
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 October 2020 08: 30
      +8
      Quote: Mytholog
      The controversial question is who is now imposing the arms race on whom.
      Looking at the hysterical efforts of the United States to hypersound, one might think the other way around)

      There has always been an arms race, ever since one took a stone and the other a club.
      And what the USA is doing, or rather what the author is talking about ...
      70% of all defense money from the United States is stupidly spent on maintaining what is on alert, plus 700 bases around the world, and even wars.
      The United States physically cannot disperse or impose something there. Moreover, the plan to demonize Russia as an enemy of the whole world is bursting at the seams.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 29 October 2020 08: 44
        -4
        "It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia
        ....
        -Who threw boots on the control panel ?!
        - But here in America.
        - The trend of your America!
        Who threw boots on the control panel !!!
      2. parma
        parma 29 October 2020 08: 44
        11
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Mytholog
        The controversial question is who is now imposing the arms race on whom.
        Looking at the hysterical efforts of the United States to hypersound, one might think the other way around)

        There has always been an arms race, ever since one took a stone and the other a club.
        And what the USA is doing, or rather what the author is talking about ...
        70% of all defense money from the United States is stupidly spent on maintaining what is on alert, plus 700 bases around the world, and even wars.
        The United States physically cannot disperse or impose something there. Moreover, the plan to demonize Russia as an enemy of the whole world is bursting at the seams.

        A very controversial statement ... we cannot but respond to the US military programs, and we do not have much manpower and resources (as an example, the so-called small-scale production of F-35, which for 10 years has already been riveted commensurate with the fleet of fighters of the Aerospace Forces of our country ) .. there does not exist and will never exist a superweapon that turns into the dust of an adversary, even though hypersonic missiles are even hypersonic ... the Armed Forces are always a set of measures and 140 million have no chances to fight the 1500 million inhabitants of the NATO bloc and their allies, especially when one of the main items of our income is the supply of raw materials to NATO countries ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 October 2020 08: 54
          +7
          and parity is not needed. you need the amount and those opportunities that can cause irreparable damage to the enemy.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 October 2020 08: 55
            -1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            and parity is not needed. you need the amount and those opportunities that can cause irreparable damage to the enemy.

            Shhh ... don't tell me)
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 29 October 2020 08: 57
              -2
              yes, everything seems to be simple))) lies on the surface)))
              1. frog
                frog 29 October 2020 10: 43
                +2
                Lies. So what? In the era of the sickle - also lay. AND? They stamped everything up to the dog, it is still stored. AND? Why were almost fifteen hundred silos needed? Kill the USA eight times ???
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 29 October 2020 10: 48
                  -2
                  firstly, all this is being improved and improved, which is quite reasonable. secondly, the most important thing is delivery. with what they seem to work and a lot. it just needs a balance.
                  1. frog
                    frog 29 October 2020 11: 46
                    0
                    And the question was not that)) The question was - why so much? Or are you talking about silos - "improving" ?? And how much did the T-55s improve? And other things?
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 29 October 2020 11: 53
                      0
                      do you think they should be drastically reduced? That's why I told you about the balance, everything should just be at the required level. the level is created and up to date. here and stay on it.
                      1. frog
                        frog 29 October 2020 12: 21
                        +5
                        Apparently, some misunderstanding is happening. I fight, just in case)))
                        It was (especially IMHO)) about the fact that parity is not "we have as much as our opponent". How many silos did you need for ...... "guarantees"? Considering that we, kind of like)), did not plan the first strike? And what should have been in them? Again, purely IMHO, but for a guaranteed response, much less was enough ..... And with tanks the same way ... And the saved (conditionally) could be sent to where we have a dupa. True, for this purpose, you need to understand that we have it. And want to fix it. In fact, wanting, and not "using the allocated funds" and not making loud statements. No more....
                        Talking about now ...... is pointless. For a variety of reasons. Among which there is not a single one associated with my wishes. However, explaining this ...... to the characters is pointless. Alas....
                      2. georgiigennadievitch
                        georgiigennadievitch 30 October 2020 14: 53
                        -1
                        It seems that given the current situation and trends, the Russian Federation needs to have modern strategic forces and, as far as possible, improve its aviation, ground forces and navy. by force. It is unlikely that this can happen in its pure form, but we need to strive for it.
        2. parma
          parma 29 October 2020 09: 05
          +8
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and parity is not needed. you need the amount and those opportunities that can cause irreparable damage to the enemy.

          And I’m not talking about anything else, the only thing is that the only opportunity to inflict irreparable damage is not possible to defend the imperial ambitions of a superpower ... and here you have to choose - either imperial ambitions and an arms race with very modest resources or abandoning ambitions and playing from "defense" in foreign policy ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 13
            11
            Quote: parma
            ... or imperial ambitions and an arms race with very modest resources or abandoning ambitions and playing on "defense" in foreign policy ...

            apparently, neither one nor the other did not work. Obviously, in order to succeed, you need a developed economy of your country multiplied by scientific potential and a developed, socially developed society.
            The latter is not there either. Alas
            1. Soho
              Soho 29 October 2020 10: 48
              -6
              The USSR, about which you love to crow, had everything. But the USSR lost the arms race.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2020 13: 00
              -6
              Russia's economy is now in 5th - 6th place out of 200 countries and its language will not turn out to be weak - the arms race in Russia is not terrible, since we spend 2,5% of GDP on the army every year, for comparison, the USSR spent more than 30% of GDP on it.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 17
          +4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          you need the amount and those opportunities that can cause irreparable damage to the enemy.

          tell me, is it possible to achieve by economic and political methods? Any country can be strangled by this without any war, you just need to strongly desire. One condition is that there should not be a developed economy in this country
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 29 October 2020 10: 44
            +3
            funds are sufficient for this.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 48
              +7
              Quote: carstorm 11
              funds are sufficient for this.

              great answer! Why then the war, especially if you can get back? War is made for those who cannot fight back
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 29 October 2020 10: 52
                -1
                that's exactly the point. simple balance. it will be shaken and we just need to save it. it is certainly difficult but it works and will work. We have a well-balanced army, not inflated to wild numbers. (With the navy, you need to be a little smarter only, otherwise there is still no concept really) quite adequate budget for it. you just need not rush to extremes.
          2. Soho
            Soho 29 October 2020 10: 49
            -3
            Something your favorite Americans did not manage to strangle the DPRK. And Iran too. So don't flutter your tongue. You can only strangle a country in which you can settle a large number of traitors (like you) who will spread it from the inside. And then the boom and the pots were used
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 11: 10
        -2
        Quote: parma
        The Armed Forces are always a set of measures and 140 million have no chances to fight the 1500 million residents of the NATO bloc and their allies, especially when one of the main items of our income is the supply of raw materials to NATO countries.
        parity is not needed. It is necessary that the adversary knows - if he tries - it will be DESTROYED, guaranteed, and more than once. And for an example. Compare the GDP of the Third Reich of 41, the population of it and its allies ... and the USSR. Do you think I should just give up? Well, the global advantage is ... the Nazis.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 29 October 2020 11: 24
          +1
          And what will surrender there.
          1941 cumulative GDP
          Anti-Hitler Coalition GDP 1596
          GDP axis 911
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 11: 42
            -3
            Quote: BlackMokona
            1941 cumulative GDP
            Anti-Hitler Coalition GDP 1596
            GDP axis 911

            And what have the USA and Great Britain to do with it? They are 41 and fought on their side. When did the US declare war on Germany? Compare ... at least not correct. On June 22, 41, not a single coalition country had an allied agreement with the USSR ...
            1. parma
              parma 29 October 2020 12: 03
              +6
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Quote: BlackMokona
              1941 cumulative GDP
              Anti-Hitler Coalition GDP 1596
              GDP axis 911

              And what have the USA and Great Britain to do with it? They are 41 and fought on their side. When did the US declare war on Germany? Compare ... at least not correct. On June 22, 41, not a single coalition country had an allied agreement with the USSR ...

              Great Britain and the dominions were in a state of war with Germany and Japan on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, the position and vector of movement of the United States were also quite clear to themselves (the principles of trade of a neutral country were directly violated) entry into the war was a matter of time ...
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 29 October 2020 12: 37
              -2
              Despite the fact that Germany kept almost the entire fleet and 50% of aviation on the western front, which also ate the Axis GDP.
              Plus, there was Lend Lease and thus part of the US GDP flowed to us.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 12: 58
                -1
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Plus, there was Lend Lease, and thus part of the US GDP flowed to us

                You are "juggling" again ... As of June 22, 41 what lend-lease? The United States hesitated against whom to fight, or rather, whom to help. In general, the conversation in comparison with GDP at the moment of the attack, and was it necessary to give up immediately, based on economic comparisons?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 29 October 2020 13: 45
                  -1
                  On June 22, Lend-Lease was already actively going to Britain, and immediately after the start of the Great Patriotic War, work began to expand it to the USSR.
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 16: 10
                    0
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    World War II, work began to expand it to the USSR.

                    Work started? And when did you start receiving help? In the summer of 41? Or in the summer of 42? When did a third of the USSR GDP remain, and the industrial and mobility resources of half of the European territory were lost?
                    Have you studied history in general from documents, or according to Solzhenitsyn and Rezun?
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 29 October 2020 17: 25
                      -3
                      Well, in your opinion, military materials could teleport to the territory of the USSR? wassat The whole Iran was captured so that cargo can be transported normally, and the infrastructure of Iran was built in the form of ports and railways for this.
                    2. Mountain shooter
                      Mountain shooter 29 October 2020 17: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Well, in your opinion, military materials could teleport to the territory of the USSR? The whole Iran was captured so that cargo can be transported normally, and the infrastructure of Iran was built in the form of ports and railways for this.

                      When??? When? The whole dispute is about the state at the beginning of the war! You objected that the coalition was more powerful economically. I don’t argue. But on June 22, 41 there was no coalition. The lend-lease agreement was signed on June 11, 42nd !!! And intentions ... you can't even heat the stove with intentions!
                    3. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 29 October 2020 22: 49
                      -1
                      Well, at the beginning of the war, Britain was first at war, its resources must be taken into account in any case, and the United States was actively supplying it with lend-lease, thereby their resources were also in the piggy bank
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 29 October 2020 08: 45
    0
    It is necessary to purposefully, gradually, steadily move away from the dollar system and pull others out of there. As soon as a critical mass of countries emerge, it will be possible to put an end to the arms race on the part of the states. The main thing at a critical moment is not to get involved in a war with them, doing it carefully, without sudden movements, cooking the frog over low heat.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 10
      11
      Quote: neri73-r
      move steadily away from the dollar system

      01 Aug 2011
      Vladimir Putin: The ruble is gradually becoming a reserve currency

      Did it work out or didn't you intend to?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 29 October 2020 11: 03
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Did it work out or didn't you intend to?

        This is not for me.
    2. frog
      frog 29 October 2020 10: 45
      +1
      Can you offer an alternative? From only sane, pzhalsta ... And while it is not there - you can fantasize about these topics as much as you want ........
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 29 October 2020 11: 07
        +5
        Quote: frog
        Can you offer an alternative? From only sane, pzhalsta ...

        those who offered an alternative are either on the run or on the run. Have you heard the name "Platoshkin"? Was suggested
        1. frog
          frog 29 October 2020 11: 48
          -2
          What, did Platoshkin offer something? Only, again, pzhalsta, it is not necessary to pass off "we are for all good against all bad" as proposals. In addition, I'm not Platoshkin, I kind of asked wink And, most importantly, I am not very interested in "what", although this is very important. But what interests me most is "how?"
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 29 October 2020 16: 55
            +2
            So Platoshkin told how to develop the country. Looks like they haven't listened to or watched the video with his performances?
            1. frog
              frog 29 October 2020 17: 43
              0
              Yes, and listened and watched. So what? Except for a certain set of "classics" - nothing. That is, for a second year college student, it might be nothing. But for a graduate student - alas. And about "how" the uncle did not stutter at all, which is understandable. Mice must go where the strategist tells ...
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 13: 12
                +3
                Quote: frog
                That is, for a second year college student, it may be nothing.


                Enough for landing.
                1. frog
                  frog 30 October 2020 18: 51
                  +4
                  So, we can have anything for landing ... You can steal a teapot there, or steal a coward from a rope ... You can only get impunity with trains or there by steamers ...
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 18: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: frog
                    So we can have enough for planting ...


                    And this is one of the reasons why there are no "sane alternatives".
  • The popuas
    The popuas 29 October 2020 09: 37
    -1
    I agree with you ... the Americans seem to have a hard time with money! Either Trump wants to leave NATO, or Biden is going to raise taxes for the rich .. hi
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 29 October 2020 09: 48
    -3
    Quote: NEXUS
    There has always been an arms race.

    That's right!
    The main thing is to remember about the principle of sufficiency. Say, it is quite enough to destroy the aggressor once, and not spend finances and resources on an excessive number of strategic weapons systems that can incinerate him many times.
    And not to compete in the number of conventional weapons, bases of the so-called allies, from which there is no military benefit, but they themselves must be patronized and protected. And there will be enough money for defense and for everything.
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 29 October 2020 12: 40
    -1
    Quote: NEXUS
    There has always been an arms race.

    I completely agree. But WB Trump intends to curtail and reduce NATO spending.
    That is why the United States decided to go from its usual direction - the one that gave them an effect during the existence of the Soviet Union.

    And the United States is no longer the same, and Russia is no longer the USSR. But the Americans will use the old techniques while they work. The one that is the flag in their hands, let them try laughing
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 29 October 2020 08: 45
    12
    Quote: Mytholog
    US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

    The controversial question is who is now imposing the arms race on whom.
    Looking at the hysterical efforts of the United States to hypersound, one might think the other way around)

    The purpose of the arms race is not to gain an absolute advantage over a competitor, but to divert the maximum funds from the civilian market.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 October 2020 08: 58
      10
      Quite right. In principle, the imbalance has already been created. Defense enterprises are developing in the country, to the detriment of the civilian direction. Skewed wages in the military and civilian sectors, causing social tension. We are following a plan written in the USA.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 07
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The purpose of the arms race is not to gain an absolute advantage over a competitor, but diverting maximum funds from the civilian market

      and it worked! An uneasy environment has been created in society, and without a solid foundation there is no reliable home
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 29 October 2020 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        and it worked!
        It seemed that the Anglo-Saxon "stinking dogs" still lacked, literally, according to Zyuganov, - "Washington Regional Committee" for the government, henpecked Central Bank for the IMF and FRS?
        Arms race! This is not even funny, especially when recalling the famous saying about the elite from Brzezinski.

        Well, maybe our boys are bad guys, oligarch brothers, they also hope to squeeze something from their bourgeois masters, and raise ratings within the country, but the States are certainly going too far. They got sick, definitely. To paraphrase Chernomyrdin's winged tongue-tied tongue, they will get it - they wanted it as WORSE, but it will turn out, as always. Here, the Anglo-Saxons are directly Mephistopheles in Goethe, in Pasternak's translation, -
        Part of the strength of the one without number
        He does good, desiring evil for everything.


        Patience of our people is not endless, you look, and the Central Bank will have to nationalize, and in general, the people's power to return.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 53
          +9
          Quote: Per se.
          according to Zyuganov, - "Washington Regional Committee" for the government, henpecked Central Bank for the IMF and FRS?

          with all due respect to you, but this fruit does nothing against it! He walks, wipes his pants and is satisfied. Words words...
          Quote: Per se.
          This is not even funny, especially when recalling the famous saying from Brzezinski at the elite.

          I think that now everything revolves around his words. Exactly inadmissibility elite to their treasures there and is the key. Abramovich used to come to see them in the summer for a key - a shock, now the messengers from Medvedev rushed.

          Quote: Per se.
          Patience of our people is not endless, you look, and the Central Bank will have to nationalize, and in general, the people's power to return.

          paradoxically, but having received the key to their wealth THERE, the elite may well be willing to give up power HERE
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 29 October 2020 10: 58
            +6
            Quote: Silvestr
            but having received the key to their wealth THERE, the elite may well be willing to give up power HERE
            Sylvester, it is already so obvious that it is time for this "elite" to pack their bags, throw them to their treasures, or they may not have time to "acquired back-breaking labor", the men will lift the pitchfork. And, by the way, I am far from being a fan of Gennady Andreyevich.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 29 October 2020 11: 06
              10
              Quote: Per se.
              it's time for this "elite" to pack their bags, bring them to their treasures

              so that's the catch, that they are not expected there!
              There was such a prime minister of Ukraine Lazarenko. Upon arrival in the States, everything was taken from him and still imprisoned.
              And Abramovich responded, you are bandits.
              So there are attempts to achieve indulgence there, but so far - in no way.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 29 October 2020 11: 15
                +3
                Quote: Silvestr
                So there are attempts to achieve indulgence there, but so far - in no way.

                This is what the Yankees are talking about, they do not understand their happiness, and "whoever interferes with us will help us."
          2. Aag
            Aag 30 October 2020 07: 38
            +4
            "Paradoxically, having received the key to their wealth THERE, the elite may well be willing to give up power HERE."
            They won't give it back, they will try to resell to their own kind ...
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 1 November 2020 21: 29
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            paradoxically, but having received the key to their wealth THERE, the elite may well be willing to give up power HERE

            I'm afraid they won't give it away without blood.
  • boriz
    boriz 29 October 2020 14: 10
    0
    Poland quite recently fueled protests in Belarus - now they themselves have such protests that Belarusians are resting on the sidelines.
    The United States is imposing an arms race on us, and the Dow Jones themselves have collapsed. And there - elections, civil war ...
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 29 October 2020 08: 25
    16
    create conditions under which Russia can get involved in an arms race at the present stage. In turn, this should, according to the United States, significantly increase the level of spending on the military sphere in Russia, creating a new economic imbalance.

    I wonder if the States are ready for unpleasant surprises?
    1. frog
      frog 29 October 2020 10: 46
      +5
      Are we ready for them?
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  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 29 October 2020 08: 27
    -12 qualifying.
    I am not Cassandra, but I wrote about this arms race - 2 three years ago. Therefore, I agree with the author 100 percent.
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 29 October 2020 08: 43
      -3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I am not Cassandra, but I wrote about this arms race - 2 three years ago.

      We don't have enough of our own hysterics and false prophets, so also "not Cassandras" have come in large numbers from Ukraine ...
      1. frog
        frog 29 October 2020 10: 47
        +2
        That is, if a citizen of Ukraine says that 2x2 + 4 (in ten))) - you will not agree ??
        1. frog
          frog 29 October 2020 11: 49
          -4
          Look, it turns out that there are ideological mathematicians here wink Everywhere fosterlings of Glavpur with Agitropop repeat
        2. frog
          frog 29 October 2020 17: 51
          +2
          I'm sorry !! Achipyatka !!! it was necessary "2x2 = 4" ....
          However, tight mathematicians don't care ...
  • Same lech
    Same lech 29 October 2020 08: 27
    -2
    Competition with the American military budget for Russia is in any case pointless, and therefore it is quite worth giving the United States an opportunity to compete with itself in this regard.

    I absolutely agree ... we don't need to build 11 aircraft carriers like the United States ... it is enough to have a stock of hyper-missiles capable of reaching them anywhere in the ocean ... it will be cheaper and more efficient this way.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 October 2020 17: 01
      +4
      Quite recently there was an article here that our hyper-missiles are far from capable of sinking their aircraft carriers anywhere in the ocean.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 29 October 2020 08: 28
    -1
    Russia has a sufficient margin of safety so as not to get involved in crazy races now. And the United States has yet to cope with its blacks. Since there the police shoot at intervals of one or two citizens a week, the demonstrations and riots will not calm down for a long time and can be carried away into their color revolution. Then there will be no time for racing.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 29 October 2020 08: 37
      -7
      Quote: Egoza
      Russia has a sufficient margin of safety so as not to get involved in crazy races now. And the United States has yet to cope with its blacks. Since there the police shoot at intervals of one or two citizens a week, the demonstrations and riots will not calm down for a long time and can be carried away into their color revolution. Then there will be no time for racing.

      And in Russia there are those who want a "color" revolution, ... there are many of these among the readers (rather writers) IN ... The topic of the change of power is being discussed with pleasure on VO ... You will not see these comrades now among the commentators, but a heading like the economic situation in Russia will appear - and these "fighters against the regime" will tell you about the safety margin in Russia. They will tell you that our authorities are deliberately inflating the image of an external enemy in order to steal your oil dollars ..
      1. frog
        frog 29 October 2020 10: 50
        +4
        Well, yes, then we have everything in order. We don’t know who else to pave the roads or to build there, we have everything.
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 29 October 2020 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      and can fly into their color revolution.

      They will not outgrow, their elites have vast experience in redirecting bad / revolutionary energy in a different direction, they will again come up with some kind of hippie.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 October 2020 08: 48
      -3
      Quote: Egoza
      Since the police there shoot at intervals of one or two citizens a week, the demonstrations and riots will not calm down for a long time and can be carried away into their color revolution.

      And in the "color" not by the nature of its course, but by race.
    4. frog
      frog 29 October 2020 10: 49
      +2
      Russia has a sufficient margin of safety

      We have a poor HZ because of Kovidly. sho is going on, what kind of stock are we talking about? The safety margin assumes, at the very least, a reasonable use of opportunities. And a normal economy. And much more, in fact ...
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 October 2020 17: 04
        +3
        sufficient safety margin
        there is only in the sick imagination of jingoistic patriots
  • Woodman
    Woodman 29 October 2020 08: 47
    0
    This is the main method for today, which fits into the thesis: "It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation."
    For this to happen, a second Gorbachev is needed (so that he is empty), but for now he is not visible. In the sense of those who want to try on the laurels of the last secretary general, there are plenty of them, but they have practically no chance to come to power. Not yet. And I hope it won't.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 October 2020 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      To do this, a second Gorbachev is needed (so that he was empty), but for now he is not visible.


      We have enough of them, so we would not overlook and prevent them from reaching power ...
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 29 October 2020 08: 47
    +1
    Let the states go through the current presidential election and its aftermath first. And then the rhetoric of the parties in the spirit: "You are the enemy of the people! No, you are the enemy of the people!" suggests that the showdown between the "industrialists" and the "financiers" by the November 3 vote will not end.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 October 2020 08: 56
      -2
      do you think what is happening there will not be reflected in the whole world? there can begin such processes that the third world will become the same reality as the fact that the sun rises. what kind of people can go up there? what's in their head?
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 29 October 2020 09: 04
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        do you think what is happening there will not be reflected in the whole world?

        Don't attribute your fantasies to me, please.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 October 2020 09: 11
          -3
          what does fantasy have to do with it? this is reality. Nobody knows what it can turn into. or maybe anything at all.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 04
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        ... the third world will become the same reality ...

        indicate the belligerents of this war hi
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 October 2020 09: 00
    +4
    It is quite logical. Since the management of the capitalist economy is definitely too tough for our elite, and this is painfully clear, the actions of the Americans are absolutely correct. Yes, we will not pull any races. We generally have no chance in someone else's game. Neither we, nor Lukashenka, nor anyone from the "post-Soviet space". Playing "capitalism" with people who really know how to play it, our role is to be beaten, robbed, etc. etc., that is, to taste absolutely all the bitterness of defeat, without a single chance of victory.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2020 13: 06
      0
      Russia has quite modest expenditures on the Armed Forces - so there is a reserve to double them up to 5% of GDP in annual terms.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 29 October 2020 15: 13
        +3
        You see, our saying "loot triumphs over evil," let's just say, is wrong. At least wrong in terms of the organization of the economy and human resources. This approach is not suitable for serious matters. Very good for thieves and bandits, but in this case ...
        Doubling funding is a good thing, but it will not lead to an increase in defense capability. Neither our economy as a whole nor our military-industrial complex is arranged so that the growth of investments leads to the growth of production. As one engineer wrote - "if the cassette contains" Gop my Greek people "you won't be able to hear Bach's music from there".
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 46
          0
          "But it will not lead to an increase in defense capability." And what has happened in the last 15 years in the army and the military-industrial complex, is it not an increase in production and defense capability?
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 30 October 2020 09: 27
            0
            The rise in salaries and the increase in training helped a lot, of course. People have already stopped running away. The amount of equipment has grown, and that's fine too That's just ...
            In general, the military industry is the area of ​​the most advanced technologies, knowledge and skills of mankind, if we are talking about the winners. To start producing more Soviet technology is not the way to the future. The USSR was a great country, and its military equipment was ahead of its time in many ways. But you can't go further on this. Belly does not remember yesterday's dinner ...
            The military-industrial complex should be organized so as to issue breakthrough solutions and be able to implement them as soon as possible. And also should have and be able to do a lot of things that need to be listed in the article and not in the post. The USSR had a unique system with which it made its weapons and equipment, cool and great. This system has been destroyed to the ground. To the bottom. Not even a powder remained of it. The fact that some enterprises were not destroyed does not matter. As a military industry, this cannot work at all.
            The army is well fed and trained. Small question. And why should she fight at all? For someone else's land? For someone else's money? For a system in which you are nobody and no one can call you? Where any petty and the smallest official, the owner of a more or less plump bank account, can wipe himself up with you. Where you have no future, resign. Where your children have no future ... Yes, go to Syria to pamper, cut the dough, yes. But drag out a real war, defending what is going on in our country? Really?
            Personally, I'm scared and hopeless ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 3 November 2020 10: 10
              +1
              +100500 Michael. This is how it looks in real life. But they do not want to see this, those who settled down on a soft, covered themselves with a warm one and hold on to a smooth one. Why are you breaking off their buzz?
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 3 November 2020 12: 41
                +1
                What for? I am an engineer. This is not so much education as the essence of my personality. Seeing a clearly inoperative system, I start looking for the causes of failures, and try to imagine how what should interact in order for the system to become operational. I can't help but do that, I just am. In principle, it makes no difference whether we have a system of levers or a system of social relations. In either case, the adjuster acts the same way, just the tools are different. The setup theory is universal.
                Those who warmed up began to realize that they could be thrown out into the cold at any moment. Together with everyone. And where they wanted to run away, cursing the "wrong people", they will not run away. There they are not expected at all, they only lie to them in order to grab their stolen money. They didn't feel so warm either ...
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 3 November 2020 13: 34
                  0
                  Yes, it burns, perhaps.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 29 October 2020 09: 00
    +8
    In the absence of contracts, the race was conducted, as they say, "all bad". This also became an additional factor in the depletion of the resources of the Soviet Union against the background, to put it mildly, of the strange policy of the late Soviet ruling clans.
    The problem is not in the race, but in the strange policy of Putin and his entourage aimed at disuniting society, creating castes. It is easier to govern a stupid people - a fact, but building the future is impossible. By the way, we will not win the arms race, especially young people will not work for the idea now.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 October 2020 17: 27
      +2
      Previously, the communists could spark an idea and raise the people to great things, for example, raising virgin lands, building the BAM, but now it's a bummer. And who is to blame for this, the people or the authorities?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 October 2020 00: 07
        -2
        "For example, raising virgin lands, building BAM" And what was the exhaust from these two projects - the USSR bought more grain from abroad BAM every year - was initially a loss-making project and only now it was brought to a profitable state by increasing its throughput.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 3 November 2020 13: 41
          0
          Yes Yes. The greatest achievement of the bourgeois state. You just can't count them. The bridge is still where the hero of Russia was formed, from the aligarhs.
          They brought it. You have brought the country to impoverishment, you are feasting on the bones.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 4 November 2020 08: 04
            0
            Well, for example. The collapse in oil prices finished off the USSR, and the collapse in oil prices did not finish off the Russian Federation.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 4 November 2020 22: 08
              0
              Bullshit. The planned economy of the USSR worked like clockwork. It didn't matter about the speculative capitalist stock exchange. And the price of oil didn't bother us at all. Because the basis of the socialist economy is not the extraction of a margin, but the creation of the necessary product for the life and defense of the country. And the main thing is to ensure social guarantees and social justice. The collapse of the USSR was inspired by traitors, degenerates, agents of the enemy. It was not for nothing that the red-haired reformer, with inexhaustible energy, destroyed Soviet enterprises. Selling off and breaking cross-industry ties at a crazy pace. Only a recruited traitor acts this way. Enemy. The Union could only be broken from above. Have you ever wondered why, several thousand trained and armed people, in buildings on Lubyanka, allowed the loudmouth gopa to knock down the monument to Iron Felix and did not disperse it to hell, fulfilling its main purpose - protecting the state system?
              1. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti 5 November 2020 15: 02
                0
                Yeah, first look at how many resources the USSR sold abroad and look at the state budget of the USSR and you will understand everything. The planned economy is not efficient. It is effective only in wartime, in national projects, but not for the comfortable existence of the population. Yes, the enemies destroyed the USSR. Gorbachev somehow tried to save, his foreign policy is very wrong, but the internal one is correct, but it was too late. The problem is that the elite of the USSR did not believe in communism, that's all. They were not traitors, they just wanted to live like in the West.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 29 October 2020 09: 09
    0
    You cannot enter the same river twice.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 29 October 2020 09: 14
    +1
    "It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

    One very nasty person (it is impossible to call it according to the rules of the people), living in Germany and having received an award from the United States "for victory in the Cold War" talked about an asymmetric response. with Russia ".
    The reason for the death of the USSR is not in the arms race, but in internal reasons that have not disappeared anywhere.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 October 2020 10: 42
      +4
      ..... for internal reasons that have not gone away.
      not only did not disappear, but increased, in my opinion.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 29 October 2020 11: 06
        +2
        You are right, unfortunately.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 October 2020 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: Was Mammoth
          You are right, unfortunately.

          What about ugly, what? it turns out ---- NATO approached the borders, Germany united, surrendered the German communists, destroyed the CMEA, kissed, abandoned everything, gave away property, and left the staff in Germany ... And what was all this for? ....... In order to understand, perhaps, that the West will never accept either Russia, or Russians, or the entire post-Soviet space. Will not accept as equals. Only as slaves.
          A vile word is a new thinking ... ... shitty transformations, but ...
          1. Machnamh
            Machnamh 31 October 2020 20: 46
            +1
            No, it may happen that he accepts. By 1453, the once mighty Byzantium was doing very badly. There was a vast empire country. Only pathetic klaptiki remained. And from all sides the cannibal Ottomans surrounded. And then the Latins also defended Constantinople. Even those relatively speaking "Russians", and those "West". For they understood what is fraught with. Now take a look at the modern, so to speak "geyrope". Every day, every day they cut at altars and in other places of local aborigines. Those who have come to a strange monastery with their own charter slaughter. For staff, the situation is not better either. Black lives matter, but white is of no value. How would it be right now on Earth among people, if the white European race were originally removed? If she never existed? What would earthly civilization be like today? Would there be now cars, computers, X-ray machines, antibiotics, airplanes, artificial pacemakers ...? And now the white European remains no more than 1/8 on the planet. Of course, Russians are also included in it. And the forecasts are not very
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 31 October 2020 20: 58
              0
              What you wrote, it is permissible, theoretically ..... but in practice ----- I strongly doubt it. The Russians, the Slavs, were always further away for them. It would seem that the Eastern European countries are closer than Russia. But something does not add up, some kind of discontent ...
              1. Machnamh
                Machnamh 31 October 2020 21: 16
                +1
                Well, compare the Russians with the Chinese, the Japanese. And others. Those even basic concepts do not have European ones. Somehow culture, compassion, conscientiousness ... Would the Russians become alive to eat an octopus, for example? I have within the normal range of behavior, no pathology? No, you wouldn't. And for those, this is the most normal behavior.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 31 October 2020 21: 36
                  0
                  to the eastern, probably, completely different requirements? In the United States, Eastern children are often adopted.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 October 2020 12: 58
      0
      This person lives mainly in Russia and quite often takes part in various kinds of events.
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    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2020 13: 09
      -4
      Just the same in the race, since they spent a lot of money, resources and everything else since the 60s, while they kicked the civil sector into the background and put another 120 rogue countries on their necks.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 October 2020 14: 05
        +5
        And also oligarchs around their necks, and also medicine is optimized and education is less free every day, literally, and still few people on the world stage support ...
        Quote: Vadim237
        Just the same in the race, since they spent a lot of money, resources and everything else since the 60s, while they kicked the civil sector into the background and put another 120 rogue countries on their necks.

        And where are the Soviet pensions at 60 and 55 years old now? Where's the money?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2020 16: 54
          -5
          In 1985, the national pension of 90 rubles, translated into the current money, was 28800 rubles - it was only halved, and even then 90 rubles was a very good pension. The oligarchs earn money and pay taxes to the budget of those who do not pay anything in terms of taxes in the country. "Education is free of charge every day" - As it was, it remained in the universities of budgetary places a lot. And still very few people on the world stage support, ...... This world arena itself would have been supported by all that is bursting at the seams and is about to fall apart.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 30 October 2020 09: 18
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Just the same in the race, since they spent a lot of money, resources and everything else since the 60s, while they kicked the civil sector into the background and put another 120 rogue countries on their necks.

        Not from the 60s, but always. Russia is not Likhtinstein so as not to have an army. There were always enough people who wanted to eat. The times of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, when they were wide open to the West, turned into many troubles for the country and its defenses.
        You have decided for yourself: "What appeared earlier, an egg or a chicken?" wink The development of weapons pulls the development of science and technology, and then the emergence of science-intensive in civilian life. For example, the appearance of a Teflon frying pan is a consequence of a race in space.
        Quote: Sergej1972
        This person lives mainly in Russia and quite often takes part in various kinds of events.

        This person is favored by the authorities. He was even awarded the highest order of Russia. Why? Place him in the dock. Activity? What kind of people? It's dangerous for him to go out.
  • Egor53
    Egor53 29 October 2020 09: 16
    -6
    The USSR collapsed not because of the arms race, but because of the loss of ideology and the betrayal of the communist elite. The economy did not play any role in this collapse.
    The arms race will only be a plus for Russia.
    And they are afraid of NATO, we have no grounds - it is absolutely not an efficient organization. Both the USA and the EU countries are falling apart before our eyes.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 October 2020 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: Egor53
      The USSR collapsed not because of the arms race, but because of the loss of ideology and the betrayal of the communist elite. The economy did not play any role in this collapse.


      It is very controversial, but the complex worked there, but the economy was decisive ...

      The arms race will only be a plus for Russia.


      It depends on who is in power and that is not very ...

      And they are afraid of NATO, we have no reason


      Only the stupid are not afraid ...
  • cniza
    cniza 29 October 2020 09: 22
    +2
    In such a situation, there can be only one option for Russia: if you don’t want to extend the agreements, whatever you want, it’s up to you to practice inflating the budget even to a trillion dollars ... To compete with the American military budget for Russia in any case is pointless, and therefore it is worth giving States have to compete with themselves in this regard.


    If they want it to be healthy, but we need to be very careful not to involve ...
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  • New Year day
    New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 02
    +1
    ... so it is worth giving the United States an opportunity to compete with itself in this regard.

    the author writes nonsense. According to his logic, "Zircons", "Poseidons", "Daggers" appeared out of boredom? laughing The race is running within allocated budgets. Who lagged behind today is forever behind
    1. Volodin
      29 October 2020 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Silvestr
      the author writes nonsense. According to his logic, "Zircons", "Poseidons", "Daggers" appeared out of boredom?

      You seem to have been on "VO" for a long time - remind, how many of the same "Zircons" and "Poseidons" appeared? And then compare with the amount of weapons created in the USSR and what percentage of the USSR's GDP went to such production - you will understand what this is about.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 29 October 2020 10: 46
        +6
        Quote: Volodin
        remind, how many of the same "Zircons" and "Poseidons" appeared?

        this is just evidence of the development and ability of the economy to produce them
        Quote: Volodin
        And then compare with the amount of weapons created in the USSR and what percentage of the USSR's GDP went to such production - you will understand what this is about.

        so it is not correct to compare economies hi
        Then let's put the question differently: where is the money, Zin?
        IMF forecast: Russia will occupy the "honorable" 68th place in the world in terms of GDP per capita. Today we have let ahead not only the one and a half billion China, but also such “developed Bulgaria, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia”.
        On average, the Russian economy will generate $ 9,97 thousand of gross domestic product per person, which is 1,6 thousand, or 14% less than a year earlier.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 October 2020 13: 04
          +2
          It's strange. The IMF is gradually phasing out the use of GDP at par, preferring GDP at PPP. You give the volume of GDP per capita at face value, more correct still in terms of PPP.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2020 13: 11
          -2
          "IMF forecast: Russia will take the 'honorable' 68th place in the world in terms of GDP per capita." And when did the IMF forecasts come true?
      2. frog
        frog 29 October 2020 10: 53
        +2
        Yes, to begin with, just compare the economy .... the USSR and the Russian Federation ..... For all its ambiguity, the economy was in the USSR. albeit strange, albeit with problems ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2020 13: 26
          +1
          For all its ambiguity, there was an economy in the USSR. And now Russia does not have it - 11th place in terms of nominal GDP out of 200 countries. The economy of the USSR worked and covered itself up because it is impossible to stay afloat for a long time, feeding at its own expense 120 rogue countries to participate in arms races and cover the deficit by buying everything that is not enough in the country for foreign currency from capitalist countries, and in the 79th they also got involved in Afghanistan and came to the conclusion that the country just started to run out of money, almost all the gold reserves for all of the above were squandered and there, from the 86th, there were well-known events, both internal and external, which dealt a powerful blow to the budget and economy of the USSR, and then the half-panic actions of the new authorities were added to them, which added fuel to the fire Against this background, they lost the confidence of the people and, with his own submission, new people came to power who put an end to the final collapse of the USSR.
          1. frog
            frog 29 October 2020 13: 36
            +2
            And what is it for? As for feeding the rogue - you are the so-called. Did you take into account the "outskirts of the empire"? And a huge amount of iron for warriors, which they could not even serve properly? And falling from year to year labor productivity and economic efficiency? What the citizens of that era themselves wrote about ...
            And about current affairs - sorry, but how many percent of grub can we ourselves, without Western (conditionally) additives and other .... ingredients? Remind me of the percentage of import substitution in electronics? About the lamentations of aircraft manufacturers for the sudden absence of aircraft?
            To the heap - ask how much money the USSR received from the export of hydrocarbons and how much the Russian Federation receives. And what kind of import was then and what is now. However, what am I talking about, sorry ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2020 17: 08
              -1
              We now have an open market economy - in the USSR it was a closed planned one, there is nothing to compare, but echoing in fact nothing in the foreign market earned and spent more and more slowly but surely slipping into bankruptcy, and that electronics more than 90% in the military of domestic production - in civilian life percent 10 domestic, it is understandable in the absence of sales markets to spend huge money in production that will never pay off, no one will be - it is easier to buy ready-made or organize production where everything is established in the same Taiwan than now the same microprocessors Baikal and Elbrus are doing.
              1. frog
                frog 29 October 2020 17: 40
                0
                but repeating in fact nothing in the foreign market did not earn and spent more and more, slowly but surely sliding towards bankruptcy

                Oh how))) A new word, or rather, an old hackneyed to death ...
                and that electronics are more than 90% in military service of domestic production - in civilian life, 10 percent of domestic, it is understandable in view of the absence of sales markets to spend huge money in production that will never pay off, no one will be - it's easier to buy ready-made or organize production where everything is arranged the same Taiwan what the same microprocessors Baikal and Elbrus are doing now.

                Well, here, as you would expect, it's still cooler lol
                For those who are especially advanced in this place, I would allow myself to recommend reading the materials and comments of the Yalta "Electronics 2020". Doesn't help though .....
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 October 2020 00: 10
                  0
                  Without any "Yalta comments" and so it is known as it is.
                  1. frog
                    frog 30 October 2020 09: 51
                    +1
                    As anyone))) To me, and not only to me - yes. And you - no campaign. If the deputy ministers say that the maximum import substitution))) in space - and then 90% ... But the "patriotic personalities" to study the materials and think the creator did not order ...
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 October 2020 10: 38
    +2
    Quote: Alex66
    ....... dissociation of society, the creation of castes. ......
    of course, so that everything remains the same, that life would improve at the top, oligarchs, bourgeoisie, their minions from the show unite .... closed societies. .... only the hired workers, the proletariat have not yet managed to unite.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 October 2020 10: 40
    +2
    Competition with the American military budget for Russia is in any case pointless, and therefore it is quite worth giving the United States an opportunity to compete with itself in this regard.
    ... What's the point of getting involved? And is it really necessary? Whom Russia will defend ... Apart from itself, there is no one ...
  • 1536
    1536 29 October 2020 10: 43
    -1
    It is not clear only what the Americans "did with the USSR"? All actions aimed at the collapse of the USSR were then divided into several elements: 1) it was impossible for stores to buy food to eat normally, consumer goods, ranging from toilet paper to baby food; 2) "suddenly" the "tobacco" disappeared and people began to smoke "makhra", remembering V. Tyorkin; 3) deaths in lines for vodka in wineries throughout the country; 4) all this happened against the background of the fact that the party-political and Soviet elite at all levels and in all their "units" and republics were preparing for the "privatization" of state property, i.e. direct counterrevolutionary activities with the connivance of the law enforcement agencies of the USSR.
    What now, are all these elements present today? It is unlikely that it will be possible to withdraw food from stores, unless retail chains are expelled from the country, together with private entrepreneurs in the same agriculture. The same with consumer goods. Tobacco is already sold without advertising, and people are slowly quitting smoking. The counters are bursting with vodka and any overseas "polish".
    So where are the Americans "hitting"? Explicitly again on the 4th element? Let's hope it doesn't work for them, although many fear it will be different.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 29 October 2020 12: 43
      +1
      unless the retail chains are driven out of the country
      ... yeah, retail chains that are, well, purely Russian laughing
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 29 October 2020 13: 06
      +3
      Well, judging by how our Duma members jumped up to applaud the stray small congressmen from the states, then the elite of the country's governing is clearly out there, and here only the term for cutting cabbage is serving.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 29 October 2020 10: 50
    +3
    Comrade Volodin Alexey why are you trying to misinform us.
    it turned out to be more expensive to stimulate the fall in oil prices below critical levels - there was a blow to the American shale industry.
    Don't you remember who stimulated the collapse of oil prices. Who brought Russia and the SA to the negotiating table? You have a short memory.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 29 October 2020 13: 02
      +1
      Shale is essentially the same financial bubble as AVISO we once had.
  • iouris
    iouris 29 October 2020 11: 25
    -2
    The experience of the USSR has shown that you need to compete only up to a certain point. At such a moment, you need to launch missiles at the United States, Britain and further down the list. Otherwise, the population will be robbed and partially self-destroyed in years, and in fifty years there will be a new systemic crisis of capitalism: "you die today, and I will die tomorrow."
  • Operator
    Operator 29 October 2020 11: 39
    -5
    African-Americans of the 21st century will fail for a simple reason - they are not 20th-century Euro-Americans.
    1. iouris
      iouris 29 October 2020 17: 50
      0
      Now the British (crypto) empire is striking, not some Erdogan. This is very serious.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 October 2020 13: 01
    +1
    Yes, not SDI and the arms race buried the Union. And the need to spend a lot of shadow money by the elite and shopkeepers.
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 29 October 2020 14: 26
    -1
    In principle, I agree, especially in the "fat" years we have already invested a lot in our defense capability. You just need to consolidate breakthrough in every sense of the direction to work for the massiveness of everything that amers have no opposition to: Neptunes, Cycrons, Daggers, Vanguards, and that thing with a nuclear engine ...
  • Old26
    Old26 29 October 2020 17: 28
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    The United States physically cannot disperse or impose something there.

    I must say that Russia is also unable to impose an arms race on anyone. The potentials are unfortunately incomparable. Russia can initiate an arms race (as with hypersound), but not impose.

    Quote: parma
    A very controversial statement ... we cannot but respond to the US military programs, and we do not have much manpower and resources (as an example, the so-called small-scale production of F-35, which for 10 years has already been riveted commensurate with the fleet of fighters of the Aerospace Forces of our country ) .. there does not exist and will never exist a superweapon that turns into the dust of an adversary, even though hypersonic missiles are even hypersonic ... the Armed Forces are always a set of measures and 140 million have no chances to fight the 1500 million inhabitants of the NATO bloc and their allies, especially when one of the main items of our income is the supply of raw materials to NATO countries ..

    We, comrades, are forced to set priorities, decide which programs require a momentary decision, which ones can wait.
    Unfortunately, we are now working on the first generation of our stealth aircraft (SU-57), the Americans are already working on the fifth generation of stealth aircraft. But most likely the presence or absence of such machines is not critical, although they can deliver us a headache

    Quote: carstorm 11
    and parity is not needed. you need the amount and those opportunities that can cause irreparable damage to the enemy.

    Parity is needed. But parity is achieved not only by the number of aircraft and missiles, but, as you wrote correctly, by the ability to inflict irreparable damage to the enemy. There may be fewer carriers than the enemy, but the number of BBs will be either equal, or they have more power. In short, everything revolves around damage.

    Quote: Soho
    The USSR, about which you love to crow, had everything. But the USSR lost the arms race.

    Unfortunately, there was not everything in the USSR. The inertia of the administrative-command system of economic management (blind faith in the inviolability of plans), ideological attitudes unchanged over time - all led to the fact that in some areas we lagged behind and lagged behind quite well. In the production of military equipment - yes, we were ahead. But even there, it was not always clear why 20 T-54/55 tanks should be made, while our enemy was producing 4-5 times less. We were preparing to fight against everyone at once, although everyone understood perfectly well that there was no war. until we have a powerful nuclear potential. But in order to control the people (crowd) it is necessary that there is always an image of the enemy.

    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia's arms race is not scary

    Terrible, precisely because the income is not the same as in the USSR. Now if we get involved in the race, we will be left with a bare bottom. For you will have to produce a lot of things and in large quantities

    Quote: Silvestr
    According to his logic, "Zircons", "Poseidons", "Daggers" appeared out of boredom? laughing The race is on within allotted budgets. Who lagged behind today is forever behind

    No, not out of boredom, but these systems have become a kind of trigger for the arms race. The question of who lagged behind is not entirely accurate forever. It all depends on the country's economy. Some of them will be able to build, for example, 200 "Zircons", 50 "Poseidons" or 100 "Daggers" with the "money allocated". Others will be able to do 6-5 times more.
    The fact that the United States is now lagging behind in the same development of hypersonic missiles does not mean that the United States is forever behind. Moreover, the conflict with the United States will not be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
    1. agond
      agond 29 October 2020 18: 21
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      The START treaties between the USSR and the United States simply pushed the line of mutual destruction (as if on an equal footing,) and whether these treaties added security to us is an open question, because it was the fear of guaranteed mutual destruction that kept the whole world in peace, and today they will not be with us negotiate as equals on parity terms, so it makes no sense at all to enter into any negotiations with the United States
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 October 2020 00: 14
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      Terrible, precisely because the income is not the same as in the USSR. The USSR almost did not have them all that they earned, they spent everything like the gold reserve - and Russia now spends 2,5% of its annual GDP on the defense industry and our army, unlike the USSR, which used more than 30% of GDP on defense, is three times less.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 30 October 2020 00: 40
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        "... Russia now spends 2,5% of GDP on defense ..."
        Maybe there was such a percentage under Yeltsin, but now, when “surrounded_on-knees_in-the-trenches” you yourself understand - much more, there is excuse !!! In the West, they consider indirect economics / production, and come to the conclusion that Russia spends anywhere from 4% to 6% of GDP on defense. For a poor country this is a lot !!!
        "Russia entered the top five countries in the world with the highest defense spending"
        "Last year (2019), Russia took the fourth position: military spending increased by 4,5% and was equal to $ 65,1 billion, or 3,9% of GDP."
        https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/04/27/13063831.shtml
      2. Machnamh
        Machnamh 31 October 2020 20: 58
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        And why? Officially, it has never been more than 6%. Well, let with indirect, with unvoiced, maximum 2 times more. Well, it turns out 12%. And it looks believable. The record for military spending seems to belong to Japan in 1944-1945. There was 49% of the budget. Well, in what conditions she was then wild! No comparison with the times of Brezhnev for the USSR.
  • Old26
    Old26 30 October 2020 00: 25
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    Quote: agond
    and whether these security treaties have added to us is an open question,

    Have added. For all the treaties, even the INF Treaty concluded by Gorbachev, imposed restrictions on our enemy.
    The START-3 treaty allowed us not to go far back in strategic weapons. The fact is that by the beginning of the second decade of this century, a number of ICBMs began to be massively written off in our country. If there were no restrictions on deployed and not deployed media and blocks, it is not known how it would all end. And so we practically replaced all our old Topol, and more than 350 units of them were deployed with new ones with MIRVs and in smaller quantities
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 30 October 2020 09: 31
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    We need to move forward. We have many problems, especially in the navy. It's just that earlier members of the Politburo were stupidly copying American developments. And we have to go our own way. Now there is an opportunity to check the equipment in Syria. In addition, it is necessary to oblige the owners to carry out the modernization of the machine tool park, otherwise many are still working on machines of the 60-70s ...
    1. Tugarin
      Tugarin 30 October 2020 23: 21
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      Quote: Dzafdet
      We need to move forward. We have many problems, especially in the navy. It's just that earlier members of the Politburo stupidly copied American developments. And we have to go our own way

      Right. And preferably measuredly, without chaotic jerks from one extreme to another.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 13: 02
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    In order not to get involved in the arms race, one must stop reacting symmetrically. At the strategic level, having a new opportunity every seven years to throw 30-50 warheads without interference is quite enough. And what will be there, hypersound, petrel or poseidon - it doesn't matter.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 31 October 2020 14: 46
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    "It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

    If they manage the process, as in the period indicated by the USA in the USSR (Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze), i.e.... liberals. That, JUST... Having those opportunities from the Warsaw Pact, the territory of location and those resources (VT and Armed Forces of the USSR) - to read "The Broken Sword of the Empire" ......... THIS had to be VERY TRYING about everything about ----. belay
    The fact that the aforementioned "market people" have not disappeared from the Government of the Russian Federation, see incl. the last "initiative" of the economic bloc of the RF Government. About increasing the terms of service and reducing the number of employees, etc. Of course, for the good of the Russian Federation and the budget drinks ... Well, everything, as under Gorbachev and E.B.N. True, the Russian Federation is not the USSR, and the problems inside and around the perimeter are no longer childish.
    R.S. And that the United States, who will refuse, are they READY to REPEAT ... (AT LEAST PART OF THE RIGHT AND "native" liberals in the Russian Federation). Ah, the saints of the 90s ... Sharman .. bully wassat .
    1. agond
      agond 31 October 2020 14: 57
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      Quote: Vadim237
      and zamete on the defense industry Russia now spends 2,5% of the annual GDP and the army in our country, in contrast to the Soviet Union, which lowered more than 30% of the GDP in the defense industry three times less.

      Do you know how much Switzerland, which last fought 500 years ago, spends on defense?
  • Bully
    Bully 2 November 2020 17: 10
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    It worked with the USSR, it will work with the Russian Federation too ": US method of imposing a new arms race on Russia

    Only the Americans forget that they will also have to compete with the Chinese economy. It is not for nothing that our Chinese have leaked so many technologies and spheres of influence - this is a payment for a temporary respite while the ambitions of the PRC give them the opportunity to butt with the United States and pull off the lion's share of resources
  • megavolt823
    megavolt823 3 November 2020 13: 30
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    The USSR did not die from (the arms race). He died along with Stalin. Just like communism died with Lenin. The military-industrial complex develops industry. Introduces new production technologies. Provides the country with personnel with experience. For those who do not understand a bit of history and from life. Under Stalin, no one tried to steal (yard). Yes, there were those who allowed themselves left-wing earnings. The bureaucrats took it. But it was a penny. But to grab over the hillock ?! There were none. The fate of Trotsky and others was well known. Not many people know that first relatives were arrested and Trotsky's children were killed. And only then there were executions of his house in Mexico and an ice ax. I already wrote. If you steal a yard in the Russian Federation, you will receive citizenship in England. If you steal a million in Estonia or Poland, you will go to an American prison. The final point in the fate of the USSR was set by the elites. Power, financial and other supreme people of the country. Their desire to live on display, in a big way. Strongly at odds with the ideology of the state. The USSR had economic difficulties, of course. But this is not the famine of 1930-33. Empty shelves were provoked. People who began to prepare the ground and justify the change of course and the collapse of the country were admitted to the broadcast.
  • bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 5 November 2020 08: 27
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    It is absolutely necessary not to have brains to compare the USSR and the Russian Federation. The USSR contained a whole pack of freeloaders, both internal (nazalezhna, the Baltic states, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan ..) and external allies. Russia has freed itself from such an "honorable" duty, is renewing production assets, introducing modern control and accounting technologies.