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Pan-Turkism and Pan-Slavism. Why are they powerless against the Anglo-Saxon pressure?

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In connection with the latest events in the world, first of all, the sharply intensified foreign policy expansionist activity of Ankara, references to the ideas of Pan-Turkism, whose influence are very clearly visible in the aspirations and actions of the leaders there, began to be encountered more and more often.


Speaking about this ideology, which, as you might guess, is based on the concept of uniting all peoples with Turkic roots into a single whole, one cannot fail to mention that absolutely the same aspirations overwhelmed at one time representatives of a completely different ethnocultural community - Slavic. This movement was called Pan-Slavism.

Tellingly, both ideologies took shape at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries, that is, during the confrontation between the Ottoman Empire, the flagship of the Pan-Turkist movement, and the Slavic peoples. It is impossible not to note another point: both movements, despite the apparent similarity, carried in themselves much more differences than coincidences.

The Pan-Slavists were mostly harmless subjects who labored in the cultural and educational field and did not call the Slavs to any violent actions in the name of the "all-Slavic brotherhood" and the creation of a single superpower. Which, however, did not in the least interfere with the fact that the ideas proclaimed by them sometimes became a spark thrown into a powder keg.

So, held in Prague in 1848, the "First All-Slavic Congress" was marked at first by the adoption of declarations, manifestos and other calls for "national liberation and unification", as well as rather innocent symbols like the approval of the "all-Slavic" colors of the flag (the very ones that make up the banner today of our Motherland) and the anthem. The case ended, however, with an armed uprising, which, ironically, was suppressed by the united troops of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires.

The ideas of Pan-Slavism also led to the battle those who fought for the freedom of the peoples of the Balkans against the Ottoman yoke. This, perhaps, was the highest point in the development of this ideology, after which an era of its gradual extinction began. In the future, the "brothers-Slavs" more and more often waged wars among themselves or found themselves on opposite sides of the front line in world conflicts. However, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

With Pan-Turkism, the situation was somewhat different. If the Slavic unifying ideas in no way contradicted the religious concepts of a “united Orthodox world,” the movement for the unification of all Turkic peoples was to a large extent a counterbalance to the centuries-old desire of many leaders of the East to merge into a single whole of all countries professing Islam.

It was because of this that those who tried to build a secular state on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire seized hold of him. They declared dreams of "non-violent" reunification of all Turkic tribes and ethnic groups. True, without fail under the leadership of "Turkish democracy" and with the subsequent "assimilation", that is, universal otrachivanie. It is because of this that this trend caused extremely harsh assessments in the Soviet Union and was mentioned exclusively with the definitions of "reactionary", "conquest" and almost fascist.

It is understandable: no one in Moscow was going to give the republics of Central Asia to the Pan-Turkist gentlemen, which, according to the doctrine they announced, fell into the orbit of the new community they dreamed of creating. Moreover, such ideas do not and did not meet with the slightest understanding in all countries where there are significant Turkic minorities and communities: from India and China to Bulgaria and Greece. Again, for quite understandable reasons and motives.

At the same time, it should be admitted that at the present moment the pan-Turkists are doing much better than their colleagues from the Slavic camp. Since 2009, the Turkic Council has existed; international kurultais and summits are regularly held. We are even talking about the possibility of creating a Turkic Commonwealth of States, which, however, still refers more to the field of projects and plans than to reality.

In fact, it turned out that the adherents of both all-Turkic and all-Slavic unity, for some reason, invariably turned out to be a loser, as soon as the Anglo-Saxon gentlemen entered the stage. They often, without any manifestos and declarations, rebuilt the world at their own discretion and sought to satisfy their ambitions. At the same time, both Slavic and Turkic peoples, against their own will, became obedient instruments in their hands.

In the two world wars inspired and unleashed by the Anglo-Saxons, Bulgaria fought against Russia. And how much blood was shed in the battles where the Slavs fought with each other - and you can't measure it! No less skillfully, the same British pitted (and are pitting to this day) between themselves and the Turkic peoples, as well as the countries inhabited by them. The Anglo-Saxons achieved particular success in playing off the Slavs and representatives of the Turkic ethnic groups. There is nothing to say about the Russian-Turkish wars, behind a good half of which British ears were sticking out. The same strategy was applied in the destruction of Yugoslavia, which was a classic Pan-Slavic state.

What kind of Pan-Slavism can we talk about today, when the Serbs, at the shout of the European Union, are running headlong from the exercises with an extremely symbolic name? Unity? With whom? With the Poles (who, by the way, were disgusted with the ideas of Pan-Slavism from the outset, since they were categorically not combined with their Russophobia)? With Czechs demolishing monuments to liberators? Or with the Bulgarians? Yes, for us Ukrainians are already “non-brothers” ... However, it is unlikely that anyone will allow Erdogan's pan-Turkism to spread further than Azerbaijan, and even there it is accepted in rather limited forms and scales.

Alas, the British Commonwealth of Nations, which includes almost all the former colonies and dominions of London, as well as the bonds that bind Great Britain and the United States, today look much more solid and weighty than all inter-Slavic or pan-Turkist associations. The Anglo-Saxons continue to hold the world by the throat with their iron hand - when with a velvet glove, and when without one.

Can those who dream of a Slavic or Turkic community ever become a worthy counterbalance to this force? In theory, this is perhaps possible. But for a start, it is necessary to end the strife between those and others, and at the same time each of the camps to overcome its own disunity. It is worth remembering that the only real rival of the Western (in fact, the Anglo-Saxon world) was the Soviet Union, which successfully united both Slavic and Turkic peoples.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 31 October 2020 15: 16
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    ... So, held in Prague in 1948, the "First All-Slavic Congress" was marked at first by the adoption of declarations, manifestos and other calls for "national liberation and unification", as well as rather innocent symbols like the approval of the "all-Slavic" colors of the flag (the very ones that make up the banner today of our Motherland) and the anthem. The case ended, however, with an armed uprising, which, ironically, was suppressed by the united troops of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires.


    1948 year. The Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires are crushing an armed uprising. It's funny.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 31 October 2020 15: 57
      +2
      Nothing strange. Before the Crimean War, Austria was our main historical ally by a huge margin. We fought together against the Turks for many centuries. Together with the Austrians, we shared the Polish Speech and fought with Napoleon. We have never had a closer than a historical ally. So it was okay to help an ally suppress the riot. We only fought when we started to divide the Balkans. The result is known to all - both empires perished. But after the end of WWII, thanks to us, Austria turned out to be neutral and not occupied. Under the USSR, it was through Austria and Finland that supplies of what was under the sanctions went. And now the Nord Stream, if anyone does not know, ends in Austria. request
      As for Pan-Slavism and Pan-Turkism, everything is also simple. These are originally dead ideas. As the Slavic peoples did not rush to Russia, so the Turkic peoples did not rush to the Turks. The same Slavs of Austria-Hungary simply wanted the two-pronged monarchy to become the triune Austro-Hungarian-Slavia. But local elites are always ready to receive money and protection in return for smiles and stories about brothers. wink Azerbaijan is a good example. Many words about the brothers of the Turks and "one people, two states". but in reality the main purchases of weapons from the competitors of the Turks - Israel and Russia. The local elites are good at milking their older brothers. wink
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 31 October 2020 16: 13
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        Quote: g1v2
        Nothing strange.


        One thousand. Nine hundred. Forty. Eighth. Year. Nothing strange? Are you delusional?
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 31 October 2020 17: 06
          +4
          Got it. I did not pay attention to the nine. Then it's really weird. fellow
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 31 October 2020 16: 11
      +2
      sergo
      Nothing surprising. IN THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE a German is on the throne, the Minister of Foreign Affairs is a citizen of the Austrian emperor (who did not even know the RUSSIAN language).
      The author has everything in a heap, except for the real actions of the Anglo-Saxons.
      All the aspirations of the Anglo-Saxons in enslavement, those who disagree were simply destroyed. There are many examples of this. Starting from Wales-Scotland-Ireland and further wherever they managed to outbid the local nobility. By the way, they also sold them later.
      * Pan-Slavism * provides for unification. The ideologues of * Pan-Slavism * have nowhere, not a single line about the destruction (genocide) of non-Slavs or dissent.
      For understanding, let's take Poland-Baltics-Finland. Finns-Balts-Poles settled throughout the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the nobility was also recognized. As soon as German troops entered Poland-Baltic-Finland during WWI, local Nazis suddenly woke up there and, under the protection of the German occupation forces, all * RUSSIAN and RUSSIAN SPEAKERS * were destroyed. They killed everyone, regardless of social status, beliefs, or nobility. Women and girls were killed especially terribly.
      And now we are convinced that only Poles, Balts, Finns have always lived there, and they refer to the latest population census.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 October 2020 17: 19
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        For understanding, let's take Poland-Baltics-Finland.

        The Balts and Finns were never Slavs. For Estonians and Latvians, Germany was the suzerain all the time, and Sweden for the Finns.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 31 October 2020 17: 20
        -1
        So that's it. I hoped that the author would at least not confuse the dates. ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 October 2020 17: 12
      +6
      Quote: sergo1914
      1948 year.

      Well mixed up in 1848.
    4. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky 31 October 2020 19: 13
      -3
      The Anglo-Saxons are Jews who sat on the top of the Western European peoples. Their task is as follows. For example, the Khazars close to us are the Turkic peoples under the control of the Semites. Russians have the same story. The portraits of the Russian Semites are very impressive, if only because the latter come from the Russians, in my deep conviction. 10 Semitic tribes disappeared in European territory and Russia should be their main part. Jews created royal houses everywhere from Troy to Britain. Angel- and Saxon-Hebrew origin is undoubtedly if you read the Saxon chronicles, etc. In Russia, they do not know anything about this, because it is an object of oblivion among the dark people.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 20: 22
        0
        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
        The Anglo-Saxons are Jews who sat on the top of the Western European peoples. Their task is as follows. For example, the Khazars close to us are the Turkic peoples under the control of the Semites. Russians have the same story. The portraits of the Russian Semites are very impressive, if only because the latter come from the Russians, in my deep conviction. 10 Semitic tribes disappeared in European territory and Russia should be their main part. Jews created royal houses everywhere from Troy to Britain. Angel- and Saxon-Hebrew origin is undoubtedly if you read the Saxon chronicles, etc. In Russia, they do not know anything about this, because it is an object of oblivion among the dark people.

        The Anglo-Saxons are primarily Levites. They promoted Trotskyism - Maoism, sitting on the top of the Eiffel Tower.
        The Coens saddled the Indians of North America - there is still a verse - Chingachgook, the Great Serpent, was also a Jew in childhood!
        Photographs of Australian Jews show their Maori ancestry, and the Haka dance is adapted to the Hawa Nagila kangaroo.
        The marsupials themselves erected pyramids and wake Herzen - but they were terribly far from the people.
        In Egypt itself, the cult of the Decembrists was abandoned during the construction of the Aswan Dam in favor of the Kama Sutra.
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 31 October 2020 22: 37
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          You speak, dear. Read the materiel. By the way, I am without any disrespect to anyone, This is the story that few people know, that's why I speak. And your tricks give you a bot, they are too the same type
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 October 2020 23: 20
            +1
            Hello, I hope you did not take my jokes personally in your address! hi
            As for the Rosov-Semites ... well, sort of ... laughing ... a bit illogical, but your right to publish any information at your disposal - I apologize if you are offended, this was not my goal hi
            1. Alexander Sosnitsky
              Alexander Sosnitsky 1 November 2020 14: 10
              +1
              Thank you for the mutual recognition, I am also constantly joking, otherwise you will have to leave everyone seriously, but seriously about the Semites. In fact, everything that exists in nature, everything she needs, including the Semites who rake out all the obscenities, otherwise civilization would have stopped. The last is the worst thing. They have such a job because of what they suffer, but they understand this at the top and continue to do so to this day. And the victim is always to blame for the victim himself as the main enemy of himself (in Semitic, which is the truth). This is the essence of our existence today. When we become Gods this will pass, everything will become holy and sinless. In the meantime, we need to rake everything out ... Therefore, I treat everyone very well, even to db, since fertilizer is also needed. But in fact, we are all stuck in our rich land and do not know the history and culture on its basis from the word at all. Read the European chronicles and go to the ansestor (pedigree) sites, there are many of them, but they are usually paid, but the entire genealogy is collected there as it was. The newest genealogies are documented in the type of registry offices that burned down in our country during the war, medieval ones are written in church chronicles or annals. We are discussing the latter. and they have everything in order, only the language is old German, you can even make out the hell with Google. These are historical docks, somewhat "snotty", which can be understood by 80% of their historians, ours do not count. And then there are ancient legends up to the antediluvian (before the flood) Adam and Eve, but also seriously analyzed by their historical science, as far as possible. They do not reach the lemurs, but the picture becomes clear. That here I managed to get to Adam and Eve and I can consider them as my ancestors, including Abraham and Sarah 3500 years ago through Judas, although my specific ancestors are from the Kharkov region. Real Jews must have a pedigree of 1500 years, then they are real and they can be trusted. I have turned the vast majority of them. On my father's side, my ancestor - Ivan Ivanovich comes from an impoverished nobleman and a pillar family of the Pushchins (great ... grandma), one of the 100 geniuses of Russia, including all the tsars. On the mother's side - from the impoverished family of von Stade, who for 4 centuries held the north of Germany (Norwegians) and exiled Eric the Red to Russia (a bandit who was forbidden to leave the short routes of the Hansa in the Baltic). They sold their castle, I think that in the city of Stade (everything agrees with the stories of the mother) and the elder brother went to the manager in the village of Vodyanoe, Zmievsky district, where they distributed land to the St. Petersburg people. Father plowed the war inside out and ended it sometime in August 1945 in the mountains of Austria, mother was twice tried to shoot because of helping the partisans. The chances of being born I had about 1/1000, I counted. This is the story. And now I break the horns for everyone. Look for your pedigrees in the chronicles, if you have access to the cloud of aristocrats, you will find it. They are all tied together, you just need to enter by the family name, but most likely only in the Western clans. Petka-Vanka do not pass there.
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 31 October 2020 23: 12
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
          The Anglo-Saxons are Jews who sat on the top of the Western European peoples. Their task is as follows. For example, the Khazars close to us are the Turkic peoples under the control of the Semites. Russians have the same story. The portraits of the Russian Semites are very impressive, if only because the latter come from the Russians, in my deep conviction. 10 Semitic tribes disappeared in European territory and Russia should be their main part. Jews created royal houses everywhere from Troy to Britain. Angel- and Saxon-Hebrew origin is undoubtedly if you read the Saxon chronicles, etc. In Russia, they do not know anything about this, because it is an object of oblivion among the dark people.

          The Anglo-Saxons are primarily Levites. They promoted Trotskyism - Maoism, sitting on the top of the Eiffel Tower.
          The Coens saddled the Indians of North America - there is still a verse - Chingachgook, the Great Serpent, was also a Jew in childhood!
          Photographs of Australian Jews show their Maori ancestry, and the Haka dance is adapted to the Hawa Nagila kangaroo.
          The marsupials themselves erected pyramids and wake Herzen - but they were terribly far from the people.
          In Egypt itself, the cult of the Decembrists was abandoned during the construction of the Aswan Dam in favor of the Kama Sutra.


          These are just the beginnings of a teaching. You have yet to comprehend how the Khazar Kaganate rules the world from behind the scenes. For the backstage is a multi-link mechanism and here wisdom for the initiated begins wassat
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 October 2020 23: 25
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            Mr. Sosnitsky recalls this as personal attacks, so we will end the discussion in the Personal Cabinet of the Grand Master of the Upper Lodge of the Order of the Karakum Children of Gyurza and Engels, not on the VO forum hi
    5. Motorist
      Motorist 1 November 2020 00: 39
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      1948 year. The Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires are crushing an armed uprising. It's funny.

      Select the text and press Ctrl + Enter. I did that.
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 31 October 2020 15: 16
    +5
    This is how the sultan will send his pasha to the Azerbaijani pashalyk - to steer an unreasonable part of the type of one people, so right away kissing on the gums will end .. The Ottomans will instantly teach everyone to love Russia .. The Turks are not Russians, you will not spoil with them.
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 31 October 2020 15: 19
    +6
    Can those who dream of a Slavic or Turkic community ever become a worthy counterbalance to this force? In theory, this is perhaps possible. But first, it is necessary to end the strife between the one and the other, and at the same time each of the camps to overcome its own disunity. from the article

    "The path of a thousand li begins with the first step" (c) Chinese folk proverb aki Lao Tzu

    That's when we here, at least in VO, in the comments, do not start dividing the Slavs into 1,2,3 ... the eleventh grade - the Angles will have us in all positions and when they want ... the devastation is not in the toilet, after all - it is in their heads! !! good
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 31 October 2020 15: 32
      -1
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Can those who dream of a Slavic or Turkic community ever become a worthy counterbalance to this force? In theory, this is perhaps possible. But first, it is necessary to end the strife between the one and the other, and at the same time each of the camps to overcome its own disunity. from the article

      "The path of a thousand li begins with the first step" (c) Chinese folk proverb aki Lao Tzu

      That's when we will not start here at least on VO in the comments STOP divide the Slavs into 1,2,3 ... the eleventh grade - the Angles will have us in all positions and when they want ... the devastation is not in the toilet, after all - it is in their heads !!! good


      Sorry, I wrote quickly, I forgot to put in my post KEY word!!! hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 October 2020 17: 21
      +8
      Quote: Corona without virus
      That's when we here, at least in the VO, in the comments will not begin to divide the Slavs into 1,2,3 ... the eleventh grade

      You are deeply mistaken, and here we even have 1,2, 3, XNUMX grade even for Russians. I'm experiencing it myself.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 31 October 2020 21: 29
      0
      The question is about self-identification!

      A project recognized to assemble its own will never be completely pragmatic and uncompromisingly operational. There are themes of justice (as one culture or another sees them - common to everyone, because they are their own), common faith and values. And the elements of freedom, brotherhood. It is not good to offend those whom you consider equal and family. Therefore, help, for which we are not grateful, and forgiveness, and our own blood for various "brothers" pours ...

      Anglo-Saxon projects are purely colonial. There, exploitation and plunder are above all and the main motive. Therefore, their pragmatism made it easier to conquer "strangers" (yes, exactly alien as a term) and to bear the burden of a white man ... Without sentiment and regret.
      Let's remember only "human zoos", and everything will become clear ... Until the middle of the 20th century, we were in Europe (I will never forget the photo: a black boy in a cage eating a banana, and around gentlemen in tailcoats and ladies in luxurious dresses belay ).
  4. Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 31 October 2020 15: 26
    -1
    Alas, the British Commonwealth of Nations, which includes almost all the former colonies and dominions of London, as well as the bonds that bind Great Britain and the United States, look today much more solid and weighty than all inter-Slavic or pan-Turkist associations.

    And who needs them, these inter-Slavic associations? Again for the Bulgarians to harness so that they again fight against us in the next war, or for the sake of the Serbs to join the world massacre, in order to get a kick in the ass from them again?
    All strategists-internationalists should be driven away from the levers of power with a filthy broom so that they would not try to realize their degenerate fantasies again.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2020 15: 43
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    The case ended, however, with an armed uprising, which, ironically, was suppressed by the united troops of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires.
    .1948 ... Clearly a typo. The armed uprising suppressed jointly, by the way, not by the Astro-Hungarian Empire, but by the Austrian Empire and the Russian Empire, it was a Hungarian uprising, there is no smell of Slavs. Speaking of the uprisings in 1848, these were revolutions in Europe, France, Germany, Italy, the Austrian Empire in all its corners. What has to do with Pan-Slavism. True, guys, as it was written on the History branch, it was Friday's historical obscurantism, and now on Saturdays too ..
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 16: 25
      +9
      hi
      Quote: parusnik
      And what does Pan-Slavism have to do with it. True, guys, as it was written on the History branch, it was Friday's historical obscurantism, and now on Saturdays too ..

      Unfortunately, obscurantism is becoming more and more, and not only historical.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 31 October 2020 16: 46
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      as it was written on the History branch, it was Friday's historical obscurantism, and now on Saturdays too ..


      "Daily analys of historical obscurantism"
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 31 October 2020 17: 41
      +6
      "There was Friday's historical obscurantism, and now on Saturdays," people say: "there is no fish and cancer", and on the site, due to the absence of good authors, such "creativity" will do.
      I'm not a newbie on the site and I remember the times when we were not stuffed with such swill
      1. Drago
        Drago 5 November 2020 19: 55
        0
        Then the oil was a hundred.
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 31 October 2020 16: 11
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    The Anglo-Saxon world has suffered a loss. Sean Connery died. Everlasting memory. He was a good guy.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 31 October 2020 17: 53
      +6
      For me, Sean Connery was, is and will be the main James Bond. The next ones are not the same. However, subsequent films were worse. For me, the best were: "Doctor No" ', "Goldfinger", "From Russia with love"
    2. iouris
      iouris 31 October 2020 17: 53
      +4
      Yeah. He fought great with Russians and other various villains in the film series about Agent 007.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 31 October 2020 20: 24
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      The Anglo-Saxon world has suffered a loss. Sean Connery died. Everlasting memory. He was a good guy.

      Bliiin, world cinema has suffered a loss! Windy memory!
    4. andrew42
      andrew42 7 November 2020 14: 20
      0
      Yeah. Charm and charisma is Sean Connery. Craftsmanship is not a waste In his performance, Mr. Bond looked like a normal Man, and not an angry reflexive "democratizer", and not a chain gurgle of special services.
  7. Spring fluff
    Spring fluff 31 October 2020 16: 19
    +3
    In my opinion, the reason is simple - pannationalism (Turkic, Slavic, xxx-th) is an older and less universal principle, and therefore weaker than the one that is being implemented by the so-called. Anglo-Saxons. Their principle is economic expediency. National identity on the Earth ball is gradually eroding, but the economic benefit stably remains and there will always be, even in pankhkhh formations, those who will make a decision under the influence of the economy and not pankhkhkh. There is also a desire to grab money from a pankhkh-country, and keep where there are stable banks and laws. And the desire to build "XXX-th world", but the budget does not allow. And when an empty refrigerator fights ideology, etc. And on this economic field, understanding and common interests, etc. with those who have long been thinking economically and not nationalistically. And so one side gets weaker and the other gets stronger.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 October 2020 17: 30
      0
      Quote: Spring Fluff
      National identity on the Earth ball is gradually eroding, but the economic benefit stably remains and there will always be, even in pankhkhh formations, those who will make a decision under the influence of the economy and not pankhkhkh.

      In general, your thought looks convincing, only now it was necessary to notice those who are sitting at the very top of this "pankhkhh" who rules the entire economy and the Pan-Slavs and the Pan-Turkists and the Anglo-Saxons. Well, he also cooks cooking in the kitchen of politics.
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  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 31 October 2020 16: 46
    +3
    The laws of physics apply to all sciences, including Geopolitics. What they are trying to do, they will be bothered by their modest work, There have been many tarogozinki and will be, and Geopolitics. lives and lives. And here are the laws === If the neighbor is dead, then chopping off part of the garden from him is strong, cool and beautiful!
    Russia has NATO /// what was the collective security treaty called there? now it is gone. NATO will strengthen after entering the Caspian Sea, and the Russian guarantor will again be a thread of concern. The USSR also became worried in due time. The intelligence of the General Staff noticed the deployment of a reinforced Turkish / NATO / corps to enter the battle in the Karabakh region. Our aviation then tensed, preparing Amamampolki to work on mobile columns and places of concentration of the Turkish corps. In Karabakh, the Russian bear barked too. As a result, we have the 102nd base, and a bunch of energy and business schemes in Armenia. And now a NATO squadron is on duty in Baku. They can deploy there And a few wings. Just the wrong time. Everything is going according to plan. They are squeezing the inheritance of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. NATO members hammer our ally, while the rest of the CSTO are watching, analyzing how Russia acts and whom it can save. How it keeps its word. there is a blow. From it it is already cramped on the eastern = European roads. The troops stand up in a dense mass for peacetime, in Poland-Romania a large-scale improvement of airfields is underway. And in this alarming situation, Putin cannot lay the pipe in any way. Of course, I understand that the pipes for Rotenberg have already been laid out, Well, that's all for this project. Rogozin if he wants to pull the pipeline to Mars, and so the industry is bent without Europe. The European share is bite off, USA, Persian boys, Iran and little by little green energy.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 31 October 2020 19: 16
      +3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      NATO members hammer our ally

      Is this the little Pashinyan the little ally? With such an ally and enemies are not necessary. "Russians get out!" - this is not in America or Britain, but in Armenia.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 10
        +4
        Can you quote Pashinyan where he speaks disrespectfully of Russia? The fact that there are a lot of idiots in Armenia is understandable, there are not a few of them in Russia either, but whether Pashinyan is at least three times a "maggot" (or is Aliyev something that is not a "maggot"?), It is not this that is important to us, but his concrete actions. In Russia, 90% of our government consists of soros, and now what? This is not about pulling up our pants and running to Karabakh to fight, but about the fact that, having taken offense at Pashinyan, we allowed a war that hit our interests very hard and even more painfully, and which we could have prevented.
  10. pytar
    pytar 31 October 2020 16: 57
    +9
    In the two world wars inspired and unleashed by the Anglo-Saxons, Bulgaria fought against Russia.

    The author does not know history, even at an elementary level! Yes did not fight Bulgaria against the USSR during WWII! In Samara / Kuibishev / there was a Bulgarian diplomatic mission during the entire Second World War, and in Sofia / later Varna / Soviet! Recently, in Samara, an honorary plaque was placed on this wall! Bulgaria fought together with the SA against the Wehrmacht!
    And in the first m.v. took away the Bulgarian Dobruzhda and Macedonia! We did not enter the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, not once!
    What kind of Pan-Slavism can we talk about today, when the Serbs, at the shout of the European Union, are headlong running from the exercises with an extremely symbolic name? Unity? With whom? With the Poles ... With the Czechs demolishing monuments to the liberators? Or with the Bulgarians? For us, Ukrainians are already “non-brothers” ...

    "All other Slavs are good, only we are good Russians!" - Author, why criticism only to others? Self-criticism, you know, will not hurt!
    As long as mutual reproaches continue on any solid or not solid reasons, we will not succeed! I have not seen anything like that among the Alglo-Saxons, although they have no less contradictions, if not more than ours!
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 31 October 2020 17: 25
      +6
      Good evening, Boyan. hi
      Yes, I read that Tsar Boris almost personally notified Hitler that the Bulgarian units would not fight the Russians under any condition. Yes, and the Bulgarian army met our troops in formation, in full dress and under the orchestra.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 31 October 2020 18: 24
        +5
        Good evening, Kostya. I read that Hitler demanded that Boris send an army to the eastern front, and Boris said: "at best, the army will not obey the order and will scatter home" and ... Tsar Boris "will die". But his death is in doubt. A suspicious coincidence: he drove the Fuhrer into a rage and died.
        Of course, there is hardly a report in the archive like: 'by written order of the Fuhrer, the number is shaggy. Tsar Boris is poisoned. "
        It could have been liquidated by the Germans and Bulgarians, SD agents, and of course there were.
        It is possible that such agents were later tried in Bulgaria. Bulgarian comrades know their history better
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 October 2020 19: 54
          +5
          Hi glory hi .
          This is the story I had in mind. The Slovaks of Yana Nalepka, led by the commander, simply went over to the partisans, and at the front they surrendered in whole units.
      2. pytar
        pytar 31 October 2020 20: 23
        +2
        Good evening, Boyan

        Good evening, Constantine! hi
        Yes, I read that Tsar Boris almost personally notified Hitler that the Bulgarian units would not fight the Russians under any condition.

        Hitler repeatedly and harshly demanded that Tsar Boris declare war on the USSR and send the Bulgarian army to Vos. front! Boris categorically refused! The last time was in the middle of August, 43. A personal meeting took place, at which Hitler, in an ultimatum, demanded that Boris give Bulgarian soldiers and transfer to Bulgarian Jews in concentration camps! Then Boris replied: "If you want the entire Bulgarian army to go under the regimental music on the side of the Russians, I will send them!" Hitler achieved nothing and was furious! Two weeks after our Tsar returned to Sofia, he unexpectedly died ... In his diary, germ. atache in Sofia, regiment. von Schjonebeck, noted that the German doctors - Dr. Seitz and the toxicologist Hans Epinger, who treated the king, were convinced that Boris died of the poison that Dr. Epinger had found 2 years earlier during the autopsy of the Greek Prime Minister Joanis Metaxas! This poison acts slowly and causes petna to appear on the skin. But even after the death of the Tsar, the Bulgarian authorities did not fulfill Hitler's demands!
        Yes, and the Bulgarian army met our troops in formation, in full dress and under the orchestra.

        05.09.1944/09.09/280, the USSR formally declared war on Bulgaria with the aim of occupying the country before the British. It was the most bloodless war, no hostilities were fought, Soviet soldiers were met everywhere with bread and salt! And since XNUMX. half a million Bulgarian army began military operations against the Wehrmacht. As a result, more than XNUMX thousand were eliminated, directly or indirectly. German soldiers and equipment. On the side of the USSR, recognition of the role of Bulgaria in the war against Germany, was the participation of the commander in chief of the BGA Gen. Stoychev at the Victory Parade in Moscow!
        And then the question arises! All this is well known! Why is the author of the article lying? And why in rus-media with enviable persistence repeat the same incorrect theses? Why do they turn the Russians against the Bulgarians? We are talking about Pan-Slavism, right?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 31 October 2020 17: 51
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      I have not seen anything like that among the Alglo-Saxons, although they have no less contradictions, if not more than ours!

      Well, we Slavs love to mutually reproach each other like "you are good, and I am better." And if we start giving out the cuffs, then the neighbor always gets the most. In the Anglo-Saxon world, everything is simpler, take the United States, Canada, Australia, then they have the ruling majority of the Anglo-Saxons (I don’t understand Obama as a priest), but there is a big confusion of nations and peoples, but they are all immigrants and aborigines in the outskirts. Yes, and they do not have republics, as in Russia and Germany, but only states, provinces, territories. This is where they have an advantage, there is no such division by historical identity. And now with Great Britain, here is exactly the same as with us. The same problems with Scotland and Shetland Islands, Northern Ireland, Wales. But even here they have the advantage of the Anglo-Saxon nation and, although different, but the Christian religion, and by force they crushed all the protests.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 31 October 2020 19: 24
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        take the USA, Canada, Australia, then they have the ruling majority of the Anglo-Saxons

        I don’t know about Canada and Australia, but in the USA the Anglo-Saxons are not the majority for a long time. Especially on the coasts. In the rural outback, yes, but in the cities and suburbs, whites are Italians, Irish, Poles, Jews, Anglo-Saxons in the daytime with fire. But what can I say, if demography continues to move in the direction in which it is moving, whites in the United States will cease to be the majority in 30 or even 20 years.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 October 2020 19: 42
          +2
          Quote: Nagan

          I don’t know about Canada and Australia, but in the USA the Anglo-Saxons are not the majority for a long time.

          I am writing again, maybe you did not understand THE RULING MAJORITY OF ANGLOSAXES.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 31 October 2020 19: 54
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            THE RULING MAJORITY OF ANGLOSAX

            Oh, is it? Offhand, in the state of NY the governor is Italian Cuomo, in the city of NY the mayor is Italian De Blasio, married to a black woman; one of the senators from the state of NY is a Jew of Sumer, the second Gillibrand has a maiden name Rutnik by no means Anglo-Saxon. In the neighboring state of NJ, one Negro Senator Booker, the other Latinos Menendez. And even Trump himself has roots in Germany.
      2. pytar
        pytar 31 October 2020 20: 33
        +1
        Well, we Slavs love to mutually reproach each other like "you are good, and I am better." ...

        Hello, Vlad! hi Your explanation looks quite logical and meaningful! good But everyone has different truths! And this is normal, the history of the vesch is ambiguous! Why do we constantly want to impose "our truth" on another, because it is counterproductive, harmful for all of us! Look how much negativity is pouring in the forums against all kindred peoples! There are always reasons to find fault! In fact, we have much more in common that connects than that separates! Why do we obsess over the negative? Where does all this come from, if such propaganda flows like a river from the central media in the Russian Federation? Think about who benefits, who harms ... yes
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 November 2020 07: 48
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          In fact, we have much more in common that connects than that separates!

          I believe that the commonality between us will always prevail in our relationship.
      3. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 14
        +2
        “I don’t understand how popaol Obama” - When you understand how Obama became president, then you will be able to reasonably talk about the United States. In the meantime - they themselves wrote - "I do not understand."
  11. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 31 October 2020 16: 58
    +2
    It's all about the habit of calling phenomena not by their proper names. For example, those who are called here Anglo-Saxons, in fact, are not any Anglo-Saxons. The same as those who are accustomed to call liberals and p.d.t., in fact, they have nothing to do with liberals and sexual minorities.
    If Pan-Turkism blooms and smells today, Pan-Slavism has died out and degenerated, God knows when, and the real Anglo-Saxons even earlier. They will never meet, respectively, there can be no talk of any pressure due to the absence of pushing and pushing.
    Everything else is nothing more than an ordinary artistic whistle on a topic sent from the finger.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 31 October 2020 17: 37
      +6
      Why are you so, Sasha. smile They took and in one fell swoop deprived good people not only of their beloved Anglo-Saxons, but at the same time liberals and homosexuals. How can they live now, if you have cut down their meaning of life at the root. You are a cruel person, you have no love for people. crying
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 31 October 2020 18: 09
        0
        Someone, but enemies, tea, will be found. They won't do without enemies. For the last hundred years, who have not been appointed only as enemies. And after all sacredly believed in them, and fought and eradicated. Now, praise be to the Almighty, they only believe. That's good. That's okay. hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 October 2020 18: 16
          +1
          Now, praise be to the Almighty, they only believe.

          Unfortunately, I'm afraid not for long. request
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 31 October 2020 18: 54
            0
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Unfortunately, I'm afraid not for long.

            T-sss! Do not anger Gd. Only this was not enough for you! stop
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 31 October 2020 19: 00
        +4
        A version of the fairy tale "Three Little Pigs"?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 31 October 2020 19: 48
          +3
          It will seem to someone ...

          "Three wise men in one basin
          Set sail on a thunderstorm.
          Be stronger
          Old basin, my story would be longer. "(C)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 31 October 2020 20: 03
            +3
            “There was an old man in the world with a beard.
            He said: I knew there would be trouble.
            Two owls, three siskins and four swifts
            They made nests in my beard ”(c).
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 31 October 2020 17: 14
    +3
    I'm not a Slav, for sure. However, I am simply oppressed by such a primitive depiction of the Slavs as such stupid creatures who have been playing each other for almost hundreds of years at the instigation of someone with protruding ears.
    1. times
      times 1 November 2020 21: 09
      16
      Here the calculation is to anger and shake the reader
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 November 2020 22: 22
        +1
        Quote: mal
        Here the calculation is to anger and shake the reader

        If. The author sincerely believes in what is written. request
  13. Azimuth
    Azimuth 31 October 2020 17: 25
    -1
    The points of pan of anything now are economics, technology and education. If this is implemented within the framework of one language group, then this reduces the costs of the parties and expands the capabilities of each, but economic feasibility comes first.
    Where there is economics, there is politics, where there is politics, there is military cooperation.

    About Pan-Turkism in Turkey. 80 mln. Turkey, the Turks make up a little more than half of the country's population, this must be understood. With Azerbaijan they have an ECONOMY, joint energy projects, plus the Turks need these 10 million. Azeri Turks for the majority, if they add another 30 million. remaining in modern Iran, then the picture is completely different, this includes access to Central Asia by land, bypassing the Caspian from the South. So there is ECONOMY, which resulted in politics and military cooperation.
    Perhaps, in this case, such "pan-Turkism" will be beneficial to us, but it will not affect our Turkic peoples, because the Turks / Turks need us.
  14. U-58
    U-58 31 October 2020 17: 29
    +4
    Yes, any of both ideas is practically very possible to implement.
    But ... at the heart of any serious event is economics.
    Economically strong Britain and the separated States from it can not only sponsor any "Anglo-Saxon" undertakings, but also attract many allies around the globe.
    If the economies of Turkey and Russia were any significant, friends, both Slavic and Turkic, would not be long in coming.
    The weak always leans against the strong.
    But the growth of Russia's power is always hindered by weighty circumstances: the First World War, the Civil and post-war devastation. World War II, Cold, which does not end in any way, the Great Redistribution of 1992–2020, in which the West skillfully orchestrated the vector of "development" towards the personal enrichment of a group of people, along with the strengthening of Russia as such.
    For such a Russia, which it is now, only Belarus will (and does) reach out, and even then on very special, favorable to it, (Belarus) conditions.
    That's all Pan-Slavism ..
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 22
      +3
      "the West skillfully directed the vector of" development "towards the personal enrichment of a group of individuals" - there was no need to direct anything there. A group of people interested in personal enrichment, in spite of the strengthening of their country, can always be found in any country. The less civic legal consciousness the people have, the more chances such a group has to break through to power. It is still the case - ministers with permanent residence in Londongrad do not surprise anyone.
  15. flicker
    flicker 31 October 2020 17: 38
    +3
    Why are they powerless against the Anglo-Saxon pressure?
    Because the Anglo-Saxons saddled technological progress (a product of scientific and technological progress), and then, due to the existing advantage, did not allow anyone to approach it.
    ---
    Destroyed all competitors - through warriors, coups, epidemics, etc., etc.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 27
      0
      "they did not allow anyone to approach him" - and now radishes, they do not allow - they do not allow them to buy their advanced technologies and sell them our gas. Stop. How so? We know how to make "Yars", "Calibers", "Vanguards" and so on, but we do not know how to make equipment for an ordinary gas processing plant. How so?
      1. flicker
        flicker 31 October 2020 22: 41
        +1
        We know how to make "Yars", "Calibers", "Vanguards" and so on, but we do not know how to make equipment for an ordinary gas processing plant. How so?

        Need time.
        We had to fight a lot, and no one helped us to restore the country.
        To discourage us to fight with us, we HAVE been forced to create Yars, Caliber, Vanguards.
        If they started to create "equipment for a gas processing plant," they would create it, only Minutemans and Tomogavks would fall on our heads.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 1 November 2020 03: 26
          +1
          Not only our country has fought a lot. China generally started from scratch. And about not helping - there is a certain slyness, look at foreign investment in Russia, not all are useless for our country. And our, Russian capital, meanwhile, is flowing to the west - if we still somehow know how to create conditions for foreign investment, then either domestic businessmen do not really believe in our state, or they are shamelessly stealing and saving what has been grabbed over the hill. And when dealing with Yars and Avngards, one must remember that the military economy is also an economy, the military budget is not unlimited, and we are often engaged in duplicate, super-expensive or completely insane projects to the detriment of real combat readiness.
          1. Polymer
            Polymer 2 November 2020 20: 11
            0
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            see foreign investments in Russia

            And what, it can be considered as help? I am not at all ready to regard loans as help, but rather as an instrument of enslavement. It's the same with investments - they are made for the purpose of making a profit, not to help.
  16. iouris
    iouris 31 October 2020 17: 59
    +2
    The author, but will they not swing you straight at our William, do you understand, Shakespeare?
    The title "square" (Pan-Turkism and Pan-Slavism) is compared with "white" ("pressure"). Or maybe there is no Pan-Slavism, but "Pan-Turkism" is in fact a project of the British MI6? Whereas?
  17. Esoteric
    Esoteric 31 October 2020 18: 05
    +1
    The Anglo-Saxons are to blame for everything. And only they unleashed wars, Germany did not want to expand to the east in any way, her filthy Anglo-Saxons encouraged. And so the Kaiser was kind and fluffy, but he had no mind. They told him from London to fight, and he started. Moreover, in a friendly way, they asked their subjects to paint them and poison them with mustard gas.
    In general, you read some articles, and one gets the impression that the Anglo-Saxons are the smartest, the most far-sighted, and they rule the world, and everyone obeys them, manipulates everyone, and what they command they do. The rest are some kind of narrow-minded and stupid people who have no opinion of their own, who can only dance to the tune. Well, nonsense.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 31 October 2020 19: 07
      0
      Quote: Ezoterik
      The Anglo-Saxons are to blame for everything. And only they unleashed wars, Germany did not want to expand to the east in any way, her filthy Anglo-Saxons encouraged. And so the Kaiser was kind and fluffy, but he had no mind. They told him from London to fight, and he started. Moreover, in a friendly way, they asked their subjects to paint them and poison them with mustard gas.
      In general, you read some articles, and one gets the impression that the Anglo-Saxons are the smartest, the most far-sighted, and they rule the world, and everyone obeys them, manipulates everyone, and what they command they do. The rest are some kind of narrow-minded and stupid people who have no opinion of their own, who can only dance to the tune. Well, nonsense.

      What have you, my dear, decided to shake the foundations of the universe here?
      It is absolutely reliable and everyone has known for a long time that "the smartest, most far-sighted, and they rule the world, and they all obey, manipulate everyone, and what they command, they do," these are Jews. What does it have to do with all of a sudden, some "Anglo-Saxons"? wassat
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 31 October 2020 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: Ezoterik
      In general, you read some articles, and one gets the impression that the Anglo-Saxons are the smartest, the most far-sighted, and they rule the world, and everyone obeys them, manipulates everyone, and what they command they do. The rest are some kind of narrow-minded and stupid people who have no opinion of their own, who can only dance to the tune. Well, nonsense.

      Anecdote from the late 1980s. 2 Jews enter the carriage. One of them takes out a newspaper from the Memory Society. Another asks: "How can you take such anti-Semitic nonsense into your hands?" The first one answers: "Well, who am I? A beggar engineer, choked with life. And as I read this, I use the world's capital and twist it as I want with governments!"
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 November 2020 11: 09
        -1
        Chubais is to blame!
  18. Clone
    Clone 31 October 2020 19: 03
    0
    Nothing is impossible when there is will and desire. And we have ... dual citizenship ... or a residence permit.
  19. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 31 October 2020 19: 26
    +2
    Pan-Turkism is an idea invented, for it is trying to create a unification of different groups of peoples just on a linguistic basis. It's about the same as trying to unify English-speaking language groups. The Slavs are essentially one people, the language of the same Slavic group. And this is the main difference.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 31 October 2020 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The Slavs are essentially one people,


      Croats and Russians are exactly one people.
      1. Clone
        Clone 31 October 2020 20: 53
        +2
        Croats, Serbs, Bosnians ... Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians ..
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 31 October 2020 21: 11
          0
          Do they know about it?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 31 October 2020 21: 18
        +3
        The Slavs are both. There is more kinship in this than in the language group.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 31 October 2020 21: 34
          0
          You used to say "one people". And so - all people are relatives, all once lived in Africa.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 November 2020 05: 26
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            You used to say "one people".

            Globally yes. Ethnic group (not even racial) - these are not all people, and not in Africa.
    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 33
      +1
      Galicians with Russians on the same field refuse to defecate, and you are one people. Pan-Turkism is fueled by not sickly finances from Istanbul, but what can Russia offer the Slavs? The power of the Rotenbergs and other people with non-Slavic surnames? Yes, they will see such a Russia in their grave until you offer them specific grandmothers, larger than the West offers. And not to local oligarchs (in Ukraine, we have already passed this), but to ordinary people.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 1 November 2020 05: 28
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Galicians with Russians on the same field refuse to defecate, and you are one people.

        My wife and sister turn away from each other at a chance meeting, despite the fact that they are twins. But this does not change the degree of kinship.
        For the rest, you are absolutely right. hi
  20. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 31 October 2020 21: 42
    +2
    To fight the Naglo-Saxons, first of all, the political will of the elites is needed, the awareness that "there should be only one left", that all means are good in this war, and the willingness to wage this war, not even for years, but for decades.
  21. RoTTor
    RoTTor 31 October 2020 23: 37
    0
    Statement without explanation
  22. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 1 November 2020 01: 50
    0
    As a result, the striped Anglo-Saxons still have more money - they rule.

    There is also the technological, military advantage of the West.

    Hindus, Arabs and others aspire to live and work in the USA / Europe, and
    not only wipers, brain drain ...
  23. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 1 November 2020 02: 06
    +2
    What's so surprising here? Pan-Turkism easily (and as a rule) flows into nationalism with the extermination of all other minorities or their forced assimilation. Pan-Slavism is too soft and, as a rule, presupposes "unification for protection", and not for the offensive, absorption, destruction of a competing idea. It is quite easy for Western pragmatic capital to fight any of this idea - it is easy to gather coalitions against the Turks - in the name of protection and other crap. Against the Slavs - support internal contradictions, put corrupt personalities at the head of them. And as a rule, the Slavs do not claim to other territories and willingly believe in imposed myths, are not particularly active politically and are extremely disunited.
    Western capital is completely devoid of moral principles, practical and tied by a single governing network of the Jewish overcorporation (now). When necessary, they support this or that current, only it poses a threat to them - it is destroyed by any means and means that are not distinguished by humanity. They have no moral dilemma. To preserve or increase their wealth, they go to any lie and betrayal. In the absence of another, capable of revealing their lies and giving their people a new idea of ​​structure, this will continue forever, until complete and unconditional victory in every corner of the world.
  24. pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 1 November 2020 04: 31
    0
    Pan-Turkism and Pan-Slavism. Why are they powerless against the Anglo-Saxon pressure?


    Is this a question or is it already an answer? Because there is no point in reading the title written below because of the absurd formulation of the problem. Why are the elephant and the lion powerless against the pressure of the whale? This is from the same series, either statements, or questions, with an obvious answer only to an adult. In general, the topwar, ru site is becoming like a clinic with visitors either diagnosed or just going for tests.
    If Pan-Turkism is still something tangible, although not fully formed by the concept, then Pan-Slavism is either a concept molded and thrown by someone, or a dummy-scarecrow for an ostratus.
    Who, what are the forces that are personified with Pan-Slavism. Are these not the German tsars who, at the end of the nineteenth century, promoted the idea of ​​Slavic brotherhood in the Balkans, Or, are they not the Bolshevik internationalists who, by the will of the Marxist idea, for some time united most of the Slavic-speaking peoples in the second half of the twentieth century? And, well, then it is clear on what kind of banana peel the pan-Slavic apologists have to turn around in order to at least keep their balance.
    About panturkism. This concept is even more ephemeral, but for that it is well promoted in our country as a Turkish scarecrow. The image of the enemy should be, if you are moving into a world unknown to you in the eastern direction. And you look around you a harmonious chain of cause and effect relationships. Here they are Turkic-speaking Yakuts with Kazakhs, and then Bashkarats with Kirghiz. The power is dark, formidable. But the creators of these horror stories only forgot one thing. The Seljuks in Anatolia ended up not of their own free will, but under the pressure of the Karluks and other Central Asian tribes.
    And if anyone can unite this mass of different nationalities, then only not the Turks, and not on the basis of linguistic affiliation. Here is a terrible Mongol, unprecedented to the village, as before, will appear, so he can and will unite them all, .... against the Turks))).
    And now about the main scarecrow, the Anglo-Saxon.
    Is there really some kind of Anglo-Saxon pressure?
    We don’t think why we speak Slavic languages, but those who do not know them seem to be united by some secret force. And there are neither Poles, nor Ukrainians, nor Russians among us, And we are the power, the monolith of the Slavophil, well, not weaker than the OVD of Soviet times.
    Angosaxons are they also a monolith, also a force?
    Yes, it never happened. A handful, at first rowers, went for a better life across the seas, then under sail, dug in on the islands. Despite the fact that the Celtic tribes did not welcome them there and still does not welcome them. The sailors are excellent. But he is a sailor only a sailor.
    So in America, they have power along the shores, and all of Europe went to the development of the depths of the continent, including the eastern ones, and slaves from Africa, and many others. America is not the Anglo-Saxon world. Language is not a universal means of uniting peoples by one ideology under one control. And without America, the scheme sharpened for the Anglo-Saxons is bursting at the seams.
  25. unknown
    unknown 1 November 2020 08: 34
    -2
    What Turkic roots of modern Turks does the author of the article write about?
    Modern Turks are descendants of Armenians, Russians, Circassians and Kurds.
    Moreover, the Armenian component is predominant.
    And the Turkic component is minimal.
    Armenians are the oldest people in this region.
    Suffice it to recall that the Syrian Alawites are also Armenians in genetics.
    Turks - "Ivans, not remembering kinship".
    In the Karabakh conflict, based on genetics, they should have fit in with Armenia, and Iran with Azerbaijan.
    The story of the extermination of "millions" of Armenians in Turkey at the beginning of the last century is the same story as the appearance of "Ukrainians". Part of the Russians decided to call themselves "Ukrainians" to please the political dividends. The same thing happened in Turkey: part of the Armenians decided to become "Turks", the other part decided to remain Armenians. As a result: civil war and extermination of those who did not want to change their identity.
    Modern Turkey was created largely by the efforts of the Bolsheviks.
    It has minimal relation to the historical Ottoman, or to be more precise, the Ataman Empire.
    1. dog of war
      dog of war 1 November 2020 23: 19
      +1
      Did Lenin invented Turkey too? what
  26. RAS-159
    RAS-159 1 November 2020 10: 24
    +1
    What "Pan-Turkism"? They blurted out from the stove not otherwise! In the USSR, following Karabakh, N / Asia flared up, where the Uzbek Turks staged an "ethnic cleansing" of the Meskhetian Turks, "their brothers", and then began to cut the skulls of the Kirghiz Turks. And what about the zoological hatred of Turkic Turks towards Azerbaijanis Turks, how do you like it? Yes, in the relatively calm Ural-Volga region, three Turkic peoples: Bashkirs-Tatars-Chuvash cannot tolerate each other, but at the same time all three peoples are Russophiles individually and they make reliable soldiers. Anyway, I can hardly imagine how it is possible to force a Tuvan Turk to love his alleged "brother" a Balkar Turk? Eli make a Yakut Turk to love a Karachai Turk? Even if Ankara will penetrate into the territory of the ex-USSR, and only to a limited extent, it will only enter Azerbaijan, after Israel, and S / Asia has long been "under the hood" of China, which will swat the Turks like an elephant Moska. 75% of Kyrgyzstan's GDP belongs to China and 40% of external debt is in the clutches of Beijing and the creeping annexation continues. You are looking for a threat in the wrong place and decided to fight the wrong enemy.
  27. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 November 2020 13: 52
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    The Anglo-Saxon thrust is primarily a product of scientific work. It was invented and implemented at the beginning, at the most important moment, by scientists. The rest of the "isms" are sorely lacking in intelligence. This is the first and only reason for this.