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Why did they abandon the Mauser K96 pistol

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The pistol was developed in 1895. In 2020, he turns 125 years old.


I found several reasons for refusing this weapons, some of them are understandable anyway, but there are also not so unambiguous. It would be more accurate to say that only the security forces refused from K96: the army and the police. But it is still quite popular as a civilian and premium weapon.

The most obvious thing is, perhaps, that the pistol itself is hopelessly outdated: after all, the old man is more than a hundred years old. However, I would not call this a compelling reason, since any weapon needs to be updated and refined sooner or later. Nothing stood in the way of remaking it using modern synthetic materials, which would have a positive effect on the characteristics of the model.

Now let's move on to more interesting and compelling reasons.


The first of these, in my opinion, is the price not only of the model itself, but also of the original ammunition. Considering the complexity of production in those years, the amount of parts and material spent on production, this pleasure was very expensive. Considering that after World War II, when the world was, to put it mildly, not in the best condition, it was important to allocate resources as efficiently as possible. There was no need to explain that there was not enough money, materials, workers. And therefore, willy-nilly, you wonder why such a pistol is needed ...

The second reason is the effectiveness of the ammunition. The original "Mauser K96" chambered for 7,63x25 was incredibly powerful in those years and an effective weapon of medium and close combat. But over time, they began to give preference to the 9x19 "Parabellum" caliber because of its cost and effectiveness in battle. It was not possible to carry out aimed shooting from the Mauser much further than from a conventional 9 mm pistol. That, in fact, killed this model completely. Any analogue in identical caliber was lighter and cheaper, and in efficiency the Mauser was not inferior to the same TT.

The third reason is the specialized focus of the model. At the time of the end of the operation of the "Mauser K96" by power structures, it was inconvenient to use due to the revision of the purpose of melee and medium-range weapons. Pistols became police weapons, and the task of the police was not high lethality, but stopping power.

The dimensions of the weapon also left much to be desired. If you choose what to patrol the city with from day to day, then everyone will eventually choose what is easier and less.

Medium-range weapons, that is, submachine guns, also bypassed the Mauser on a number of important points, especially in the convenience of shooting and the amount of ammunition, and some also in the cost of production.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 29 October 2020 18: 07 New
    15
    The pistol was heavy and large. But among other things, the legendary sung in songs and shown in the movies. What a red civilian commissar or commander without this pistol and no ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 October 2020 19: 27 New
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      and meanwhile, "96" is simply beautiful as a weapon.
      1. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO 30 October 2020 18: 34 New
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        1. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO 30 October 2020 18: 38 New
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    2. Revolver
      Revolver 29 October 2020 21: 59 New
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      Quote: Borik
      The pistol was heavy and large.

      If you think of it as a pistol, then yes, large, heavy, and uncomfortable. And if we consider it as a semi-automatic carbine, or even a submachine gun, with a detachable butt that can be carried and used as a pistol, then there is little that beats it. Perhaps only the long-barreled Luger. Well, to some extent Stechkin. Of course, all three of the above just do not have much fun every day, but if you happen to use it for its intended purpose, then you will be grateful to fate that you have it, and not some Colt or Beretta. Fortunately, such opportunities are rare and not for everyone.
      And what about cartridges is nonsense. After the war, the world was littered with cartridges of all calibers.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 October 2020 23: 13 New
        +5
        but if you happen to use it for its intended purpose, then you will be grateful to fate that you have it, and not what Colt

        Have you ever fired a Mauser and a Colt at the same time?
        I've done it. In addition to these 2, there was also Parabellum, Stechkin, a revolver and something that he did not have time to reach.
        From the Mauser, with its recoil, I did not find any hit marks in the target. Although I looked at the target carefully with special optics.
        From the 1911 Colt, the entire clip fell into the target between 3 and 8.
        Best of all was a sports revolver with Nagant cartridges. Here the first lay and 8 others 5 (!) All in 10.
        Since he was shooting at the shooting range of the Ministry of Defense, the question of targeting weapons was not raised. hi
        Shooting experience in the United States led to the selection of the H&K Mk-23 as an exemplary self-defense weapon, albeit great.
        All experience up to 2002. There would be an opportunity to shoot now, perhaps others might have preferences.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 29 October 2020 23: 52 New
          +9
          Quote: Alex777
          Have you ever fired a Mauser and a Colt at the same time?

          No Mauser. And from Colt 1911 .45ACP happened. At 10 and even 25m it is quite, and then not very much, and it is too heavy with one hand. As I understand it, a Mauser with a stock feels more like a carbine than a pistol, so 50m, and whoever knows how, will not be a problem. I shoot regularly from Nagant. Probably in his youth he could have hit 100m, but now the eyes are not the same.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 October 2020 09: 59 New
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            According to my subjective feelings, the recoil of the Mauser 7,63 is comparable to the 44 Megnum. But the revolver was more convenient.
            There was no buttstock. So I can't say anything about it.
            The story was in the 90s and at that time I was a little over 30.
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 1 November 2020 17: 10 New
              -1
              Quote: Alex777
              According to my subjective feelings, the recoil of the Mauser 7,63 is comparable to the 44 Megnum. But the revolver was more convenient.

              I'm just lying under the table - don't stop, keep developing thinking further - the TT weighs 1,5 times lighter than the 96th, respectively, and its recoil impulse should be about 1,5 times more - i.e. return of TT should be at the level of 50 AE laughing
              Oh, these schoolchildren are dreamers. smile
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 1 November 2020 17: 15 New
                +1
                Laughing right is not a sin at what seems funny. wink
                I had all these pieces of iron in my hands.
                I shot them and tell my impressions.
                And you develop theories as much as you want. lol
                1. gross kaput
                  gross kaput 1 November 2020 17: 20 New
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                  I noticed - keep writing further.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  And you develop theories as much as you want.

                  My friend, unlike you, I really have an idea of ​​what I am writing about, since I am well versed in theory and have experience in communicating with real pieces of iron - it has been my profession for many years wink
            2. bootlegger
              bootlegger 10 November 2020 14: 59 New
              +1
              I think the return is not great here, but its vector is not successful.
              Very large distance between the barrel and the handle. The overturning moment should be decent. Now no one makes weapons like that.
              The smaller this distance, the easier it is to recover the sight after a shot.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 10 November 2020 17: 40 New
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                This is why the Colt is better. hi
        2. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 30 October 2020 03: 32 New
          +3
          [quote = Alex777] [quote]
          Since he was shooting at the shooting range of the Ministry of Defense, the question of targeting the weapon was not raised. :
          All experience up to 2002. It would be possible to shoot now, perhaps others might have preferences. [/ Quote]
          You made me laugh, citizen ... Weapons of the shooting range of the Ministry of Defense ... lol it was broken to ... extreme ... The ladies from the APS did not hit, as well as from the AK with a burst ... The weapon was torn from the hands ... TT-heavy ... platoon heavy .....
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 October 2020 09: 52 New
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            You made me laugh, citizen ... The weapons of the shooting gallery of the Ministry of Defense ... were broken to ... extreme ...

            What dash of the Ministry of Defense are you talking about? bully
        3. Barkun
          Barkun 30 October 2020 09: 15 New
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          Colleague, it's strange to compare RC and Mauser in terms of accuracy :). And the balance is different, and the behavior. And some excellent skills are required.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 October 2020 10: 06 New
            +1
            Colleague, it's strange to compare RC and Mauser in terms of accuracy :). And the balance is different, and the behavior. And some excellent skills are required.

            You are, of course, right. He gave the example with the RC solely to confirm that I still have certain skills. wink
            My humble opinion: Mauser is the last thing I would like to use, if I really need it. Only if there is no other choice.
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 30 October 2020 10: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          Best of all was a sports revolver with Nagant cartridges. Here the first lay and 8 others 5 (!) All in 10.

          Khaidurov, rearranged under a sports "revolver"? Veschch good
        5. Bobrovsky
          Bobrovsky 30 October 2020 17: 47 New
          +3
          It's not about the recoil of the Mauser, the TT also lifts up well, the cartridge is the same. He is heavy and the hand must be trained on purpose, otherwise normal shooting will not work. And the sports revolver has a very soft and short trigger, it's a sin not to get out of it. When I first took a sports revolver in my hands, I had just started picking it up when a neighbor fired a shot. The room was small (they were shooting from it into small windows), I shuddered from the loud sound and the revolver fired. Khaidurov's revolver also has a soft trigger. It is not worth comparing them with military pistols.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 October 2020 18: 18 New
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            It's not about giving Mauser,

            The colleague to whom I responded spoke in the sense that Mauser is preferable to the Colt 1911 ACP. I prefer the Colt. It is because of the recoil of the Mauser. IMHO. hi
        6. Meshchersky
          Meshchersky 30 October 2020 18: 10 New
          +5
          I bet on a bottle of good whiskey that if you fired from the C-96, then it was the TT 7.62x25 cartridges and not the 7.63x25 ones. There is a misconception that these cartridges are similar, but this is not entirely true. To be more precise, this is not at all true!
          The main difference is that the TT 7.62x25 cartridge has a different hinge and a different brand of gunpowder. As a result, there is much more pressure in the barrel and more energy of the shot. Shooting from the S-96 with a TT cartridge we get a very strong recoil, a huge spread and increased weapon wear.
          He personally had the opportunity (not in Russia) to shoot from the S-96 with native cartridges and, for comparison, made several shots with TT cartridges. Gentlemen, it's like heaven and earth!
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 October 2020 18: 13 New
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            Perhaps you `re right. Now you can't ask anyone again, from those who then organized this shooting.
        7. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 31 October 2020 09: 52 New
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          Quote: Alex777
          From the Mauser, with its recoil, I did not find any hit marks in the target. Although I looked at the target carefully with special optics.

          recoil does not affect the first shot. Ie at least one hole you should have made if you know how to shoot.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 1 November 2020 17: 23 New
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            recoil does not affect the first shot

            Here you are right, of course.
            But we changed targets less often than barrels. smile
            The revolver was the last one. How I got out of it - I saw.
            Colt hits were also noticeable.
            Mauser categorically disliked.
            Legendary and outdated. hi
            1. ver_
              ver_ 6 November 2020 11: 15 New
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              ... And you didn't have to shoot from Margolin? ..
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 6 November 2020 11: 59 New
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                No. I was in such a shooting range, but in such an escort (Head of the GRAU) I got only once. And it was not for my sake that it was started.
                I was just lucky to be hired. hi
              2. 89268170588
                89268170588 24 November 2020 21: 22 New
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                I had to. Sports weapon. Exact.
      2. Disorder
        Disorder 30 October 2020 02: 47 New
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        Quote: Nagan
        Of course, all three of the above just do not have much fun every day, but if you happen to use it for its intended purpose, then you will be grateful to fate that you have it, and not some Colt or Beretta. Fortunately, such opportunities are rare and not for everyone.

        What kind of Beretta do you mean?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 30 October 2020 03: 04 New
          +1
          Any pistol, well, at least the service US Army Beretta M9. Against the Mauser automatic version with a long magazine and a stock at a distance of 100m or even 50. And even a semi-automatic with a stock at 100m. Who has the best chance, all other things being equal?
          1. Disorder
            Disorder 30 October 2020 15: 12 New
            +4
            Which one will shoot from a pistol at 100 meters? From 300-400 m they will be snapped from a machine gun, and there it doesn't matter if it's Mauser or PM.
          2. aglet
            aglet 30 October 2020 16: 00 New
            +3
            "Who has the best chance, all other things being equal?"
            at the Kalashnikov assault rifle
      3. Moore
        Moore 30 October 2020 08: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Nagan
        And if we consider it as a semi-automatic carbine, or even a submachine gun, with a detachable butt that can be carried and used as a pistol, then there is little to compare with it.

        Actually, it was originally positioned by the developer as a semi-civilian weapon (carbine) for wealthy travelers (adventurers). Nowhere, in fact, not being adopted for service, in many countries, incl. and in the Republic of Ingushetia, it was recommended for officers to purchase as personal weapons.
      4. Captain45
        Captain45 30 October 2020 10: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        And if we consider it as a semi-automatic carbine, or even a submachine gun, with a detachable butt that can be carried and used as a pistol, then there is little that beats it.

        I had a chance to read about the development of the Far East at the beginning of the last century, travelers in the Far East preferred to take with them either a Mauser or an American Winchester for self-defense against hunhuz and other vagrants, given their size, rate of fire and range of aimed fire. For hunting, they took an ordinary shotgun.
      5. YOUR
        YOUR 31 October 2020 08: 48 New
        +2
        The author forgot one more point.
        The pistol was very demanding to maintain, a lot of small parts, even if not completely disassembled.
    3. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 31 October 2020 09: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Borik
      The pistol was heavy and large. But among other things, the legendary sung in songs and shown in the movies. What a red civilian commissar or commander without this pistol and no ...

      The pistol "did not come in" primarily because of its price, dimensions and weight - this only exacerbated the problem. Unlike movies, there weren't very many Mauser in real life, again due to the high cost.
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 29 October 2020 18: 10 New
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    Can I give you a fourth reason? Painfully, this weapon is famous and sung in poetry! And with certain calls! Dangerous, you know. So they decided to remove it, so that it would not remind what was not necessary.
    "Turn around on the march!
    Verbal is not a place for slander.
    Hush, speakers!
    Your
    word,
    Comrade Mauser.
    It is enough to live by law,
    given by Adam and Eve.
    I swear the pound.
    Left!
    Left!
    Left! "
    Well, where does that go ?! Obviously, the current rulers do not like it!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 29 October 2020 18: 13 New
      +3
      This time you hit right in the top ten) from the Mauser laughing
    2. novel66
      novel66 29 October 2020 18: 34 New
      10
      I love this moment
    3. novel66
      novel66 29 October 2020 18: 37 New
      +5
      and here it was not bad
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. novel66
      novel66 29 October 2020 18: 43 New
      +8
      but here it is!
    6. bandabas
      bandabas 29 October 2020 21: 24 New
      +1
      But "Nate" did not like the moderators 3 years ago. Because of "I'm better ..".
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2020 18: 17 New
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    Given the complexity of production in those years, the number of parts and material
    ... Yeah, especially the number of parts ... The head of the SP-1 expedition, Papanin, liked to disassemble and assemble his Mauser in his free time, which annoyed the radio operator Krenkel, who took and threw in an extra bolt, Papanin would assemble a Mauser, both of them, an extra the object, disassemble, reassemble ... more unnecessary, I almost lost my mind ... Then, already on the steamer, Krenkel confessed to what he had done, they say, Papanin almost killed him, chasing Krenkel on a steamer with a Mauser ... laughing One reason, the number of details, is enough to refuse ... smile
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 October 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      One reason, the number of details, is enough to refuse.

      Well, don't tell me ... until you disassemble, until you collect ... the brains and will clear up
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 29 October 2020 18: 58 New
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      Nice legend composed by Weller.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 October 2020 20: 30 New
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        Weller did not compose, literary processed, an old story. Before Weller, he read someone else, sounded differently and without chasing a boat .. and in the story itself there are many blunders. As for the details:
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 29 October 2020 21: 22 New
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          Quote: parusnik
          As for the details:

          Well, Papanin did not have to disassemble before such a state. Incomplete disassembly is easier:

          I have a beautifully illustrated supplement for the Gazette des armes, LE C-96 Le pistolet de P Mauser.
        2. Konnick
          Konnick 29 October 2020 21: 27 New
          +6
          Weller's Krenkel harbored a grudge against Papanin because Papanin drove him out of his only tent in the cold during closed party meetings on an ice floe. Laughter, and only ...
    3. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 29 October 2020 21: 25 New
      +4
      Krenkel did this for a reason. He was not a party member, so when closed party meetings were held, he was kicked out of the tent. Krenkel protested, arguing that he would still send protocols to Moscow. But Papanin was relentless.
    4. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 29 October 2020 21: 46 New
      +2
      Old Boyan
    5. novel66
      novel66 29 October 2020 21: 59 New
      +2
      , Papanin, liked to disassemble and assemble his Mauser in his free time,
      according to Weller, he never did anything else
  4. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 18: 18 New
    +8
    I had to shoot from it in a shooting range with a holster attached ... wink
    I'll say soooo ... at 100 meters, while standing, from it I hit the growth target better than from the AKM-47 from the support lying ...

    a fairy tale, not a pistol !!! soldier
    1. agond
      agond 29 October 2020 18: 37 New
      +2

      It is a pity that they are not doing it now, because you can probably try and bring the barrel closer to the handle, to reduce the size and reduce the toss when firing, or even use a folding handle, no Mauser has not exhausted itself !!!
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 18: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: agond
        It is a pity that they are not doing it now, because you can probably try and bring the barrel closer to the handle, to reduce the size and reduce the toss when firing, or even use a folding handle, no Mauser has not exhausted itself !!!

        Vladimir Ilyich Lenin has a famous phrase: "the electron is as inexhaustible as the atom." good
        Translating on the topic of the article, if, suddenly imagine, there would be a variety of sniper speed competitions ...
        Then at a distance of 25 meters, I would certainly choose TOZ-12 fellow a human eye is bigger than a squirrel's eye, so I wouldn't miss ... repeat
        But at a distance of 100 meters, in a speed competition, I would choose the Hero of this article !!! good

        I hope that some thread of the company will still violate the patent and modernize the Mauser for modern realities ... and then I'll still shoot from it !!! drinks
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 30 October 2020 12: 45 New
          0
          In some magazine I read that in Ukraine there is some kind of company dealing with replicas of weapons, including the C96, albeit with a butt immediately (like a carbine) chambered for TT. I tried to find it again, but I didn’t find it .... It would be very interesting to twirl it in my hands in a dash ...
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 29 October 2020 20: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: agond
        It is a pity that they are not doing it now, because you can probably try and bring the barrel closer to the handle, to reduce the size and reduce the toss when firing, or even use a folding handle, no Mauser has not exhausted itself !!!

        If you "upgrade the Mauser" - it will turn out ...
        nn scorpion
        PP "Scorpion" - born in 1961, cartridge 7,62x17mm (original), 9x19, 9x18, 9x17mm, the rest of the performance characteristics are widely known. Or...
        pp-91 cedar
        PP-91 "Kedr" - born in 1992, cartridge 9x18mm, and so on and so on ... I want to say - either make the good old "Comrade Mauser", or get another pistol ... Here in Spain we have already "worked" with "Mauser" "...
        pistol Astra 900
        "Astra" 900 - along the way they made a replaceable magazine, instead of a clip, automatic fire (starting with the 901 model), was in service with the Wehrmacht as a submachine gun. But "did not fly high" ...
        1. Constanty
          Constanty 29 October 2020 21: 16 New
          +1
          A changeable magazine, instead of a clip, automatic fire was already in the Mauser modell 712 Schnellfeuerpistole since 1930, was in service with the SS

          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 21: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Constanty
            A changeable magazine, instead of a clip, automatic fire was already in the Mauser modell 712 Schnellfeuerpistole since 1930, was in service with the SS



            Mauser (from my point of view - I do not pretend to be true !!! drinks ) is valuable not by automatic shooting, but by the ability to "shoot one by one" in almost automatic mode soldier these are still two big differences - for example, the Stechkin automatic pistol (APS) - the firing accuracy in manual mode and in automatic mode differs significantly (for those who shot soldier out of him)

            Compared to a Mauser with a holster attached ... APS against his background with a holster attached - so ... in the same conditions ... in accuracy ... nervously smokes on the sidelines wassat tongue
            1. ver_
              ver_ 5 November 2020 09: 28 New
              +1
              ... and the slingshot is better, but if the rubber bands are cut out of the aircraft cameras in red ... - the squeak of fashion ...
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 5 November 2020 10: 43 New
                +1
                laughing good drinks

                ahhhh .... what kind of slingshots we made in childhood for shooting at crows in the cemetery ... mmm ... bully
        2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 29 October 2020 21: 24 New
          0
          Astra was heavier than Mauser. In addition, Mauser also released his own version of the automatic pistol-712, which is depicted in the table of contents of the article instead of 096.
      3. alexander1
        alexander1 29 October 2020 22: 38 New
        +2
        I'll put in five cents! They do it in the Square! Only it costs like 3 M4 from COLT in the same store!))
        https://stvol.ua/catalog/poluavtomaticheskoe_1/342205/

      4. Vladimir54
        Vladimir54 2 November 2020 00: 15 New
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        Already done is TT.
    2. Clone
      Clone 29 October 2020 19: 31 New
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      Quote: Corona without virus
      100 meters, while standing, from it I hit the growth target better than from the AKM-47 from the support lying ...

      ... and then the time for fairy tales came. laughing Starting from a certain product called "Akm-47" and ending with shooting "from a prone position." belay
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 19: 39 New
        -5
        Quote: Clone
        Quote: Corona without virus
        100 meters, while standing, from it I hit the growth target better than from the AKM-47 from the support lying ...

        ... and then the time for fairy tales came. laughing Starting from a certain product called "Akm-47" and ending with shooting "from a prone position." belay

        1. Something fabulous "akm-47" I was here FORCED to write special "clever men", because our military instructor called this device simply "ak-47" and shot from this, go to my dash in DOSAAF at school age under 1000 shots in the dash for sure !!! soldier

        2. Under the command of the military instructor "Take the emphasis while lying down! Fire" from the TOZ-8, I fired 1000+ shots in the shooting range at school, and another 500+ from the TOZ-12 soldier Maybe our military instructor was (with the rank of lieutenant colonel) not quite right in commanding something to us ... but still ... if I bark the command "to take a lying position" under my ear, I will lie flat, legs spread out, I will take a rifle on my left I will load the bullet on the machine and see a growth target through the front sight of the sight laughing laughing laughing
        1. Clone
          Clone 29 October 2020 20: 06 New
          +5
          What is "lying" is easy to find in a search engine. Well, this is for those who did not serve ... This time. And secondly ... without laughter it is simply impossible to perceive the picture of "shooting" from such a position, and even from an "AkM-47" machine gun.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 20: 54 New
            -5
            Quote: Clone
            What is "lying" is easy to find in a search engine. Well, this is for those who did not serve ... This time. And secondly ... without laughter it is simply impossible to perceive the picture of "shooting" from such a position, and even from an "AkM-47" machine gun.

            1. I will not brag ... but only during my service in the USSR Armed Forces I signed "nondisclosure" subscriptions for 100 years ahead - if I counted them sequentially wassat tongue
            2. "From a lying position" - see the FIRST one found in the Yandex search engine, I will give the beginning of the article:

            PRINT SHOOTING

            This main method of sniper shooting is used both in training beginners and venerable snipers. The method provides a very large, almost absolute stability of the weapon and is used by snipers of counter-terrorist units for particularly accurate and responsible shooting in the case when it is necessary to "separate" the terrorist from the hostage without catching the latter.

            When shooting prone from a stop, the shooter lies on his stomach and, so that the body rolls less to the right and left, presses his legs with his knees to the ground. The heels are pressed tightly to the ground at a distance from each other 1,5 times wider than the shoulders. During combat firing, heels must be pressed to the ground. Firstly, in this way the shooter is more in contact with the ground, respectively, the support area is larger, and secondly, in a combat situation, the raised heel will immediately be blown away by a splinter or a bullet, not pressed to the ground.

            .
            1. aglet
              aglet 29 October 2020 21: 41 New
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              PRINCIPAL SHOOTING and PRINTING are not the same thing. from the support lying down, they do not shoot, from the support lying down, they are squeezed out. It is strange that a person, all in subscriptions, does not know the elementary. Or there were subscriptions to the murzilka, and we did not serve in the army?
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 22: 11 New
                -4
                Quote: aglet
                PRINCIPAL SHOOTING and PRINTING are not the same thing. from the support lying down, they do not shoot, from the support lying down, they are squeezed out. It is strange that a person, all in subscriptions, does not know the elementary. Or there were subscriptions to the murzilka, and we did not serve in the army?

                How many times can you say that I have a silver medal at school and only because my wife diagnosed my "illness" - "an acute attack is NOT a concept of the Russian language ?! am laughing lol and so - I repeat - 34 years have passed - in fact, except for the Russian language and literature, all my "fives" are deserved, and "four" in Russian and lit-re - it was necessary for the school to issue at least one medalist, so they I have a "pull" wassat laughing lol a woman with two "towers" in the Russian language has been trolling me ten times a day for the past 20 years of marriage, for the way I say, how much can you ?! am bully drinks
                1. aglet
                  aglet 30 October 2020 16: 09 New
                  +2
                  "How many times can you say that I have a silver medal at school and only because my wife diagnosed mine?"
                  it's not about your zhinka. a person who served at least half an hour in the army, even Soviet, even Russian, understands the difference between "lying down" and "shooting from a lying position" immediately, and the person who is looking for these terms in search engines does not knowing their essence, easily confuses them
                  "How many times can you say that I have a silver medal"
                  As far as I understand, your medal is the same as the service in the army? tin-cardboard? and what do I care about your medal, whatever it may be, it's enough to read what you write, and what
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 8 November 2020 08: 16 New
                    0
                    ... I wonder what the sniper Nomokonov, who destroyed more than 360 fascists, would have thought about your squabble ...
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 8 November 2020 10: 21 New
                      -1
                      "... I wonder what sniper Nomokonov would think"
                      and I'm wondering what writer hugo would think about your comment
        2. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 29 October 2020 20: 24 New
          +7
          Hmm, the result of "shooting at 100m in the prone position" from the AKM-47 will be many times worse than standing shooting from the Mauser. But if you shoot "prone from support" from an AK-47 or AKM, it is unlikely. (I just faintly imagine that by shooting 1000+ rounds from a targeted machine gun, you can knock out less while lying down than standing from a pistol).
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 21: 05 New
            -4
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            Hmm, the result of "shooting at 100m in the prone position" from the AKM-47 will be many times worse than standing shooting from the Mauser. But if you shoot "prone from support" from an AK-47 or AKM, it is unlikely. (I just faintly imagine that by shooting 1000+ rounds from a targeted machine gun, you can knock out less while lying down than standing from a pistol).

            1. For the entire DOSAAF in our city there were only 10 ak-47 assault rifles - battered to smithereens - so there was no question of accurate aiming crying but I am amazed - the survivability of the ak-47 !!! good drinks
            2. Mauser was almost zero in the shooting range - somewhere around 1000 shots in total love
            3. Well ... Have you ever tried to shoot from a boar with magnum bullets at the skeet at a shooting range blindfolded ?! wink
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 29 October 2020 21: 52 New
              +3
              From a wild boar to plates, this is a perversion, but to the sound I just can't imagine how to do it physically
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 22: 24 New
                -3
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                From a wild boar to plates, this is a perversion, but to the sound I just can't imagine how to do it physically

                1. Boar on plates is a perversion
                Totally agree with you!!! drinks If at the shooting range they had not caught "weakly" - figs I would have shot at skeet from the Vepr with magnum bullets laughing
                2. Well, to the sound ... So you are standing at the shooting range ... behind you, on the left and right, machine guns shooting plates ... quite behind you is an instructor who has a plate launcher ... he presses the knobs ... the plates shoot ... well, and then ... "Who did not hide (did not get) - then I am not guilty!" (c)))))) Yes - you have a black bandage in front of your eyes ... repeat
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 29 October 2020 23: 39 New
                  +1
                  Hits, as I understand it, for 100 shots somewhere 0
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 30 October 2020 00: 43 New
                    -5
                    Quote: SARANCHA1976
                    Hits, as I understand it, for 100 shots somewhere 0

                    Such "games" were "played" by "champions from champions" who were bored laughing
                    Out of 2 shots with a "sports shot" (like a six - if the memory does not fail) somewhere there was zero))) but not exactly ... there were such "unique" ones like me, 1 out of 10 hit (in a boar I had a store on 10 rounds instead of 8 as when buying in a store) repeat I am still grateful to my wife that in the middle of the night she burst into the sauna like a fury and saved me until we called the "girls" there wassat when they drank a box of "Napoleon" brandy, which I won laughing laughing laughing
                    1. SARANCHA1976
                      SARANCHA1976 30 October 2020 07: 54 New
                      +1
                      Usually 7 to 9 are used. And so either the button accordion or wild luck. We were shooting at the playground from the hip, so the KMs and experienced players from 25 plates, on average, hit 3-5.
                2. Bobrovsky
                  Bobrovsky 30 October 2020 17: 57 New
                  +3
                  Actually, in order to shoot at the sound, the object of shooting must give this sound. Explain what sound the flying saucer sounds like.
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 30 October 2020 20: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bobrovsky
                    Actually, in order to shoot at the sound, the object of shooting must give this sound. Explain what sound the flying saucer sounds like.

                    A bang is heard from behind (an automatic machine for throwing out the plates) and the saucer flies out with a whistle, albeit not loud - it spins in flight
            2. aglet
              aglet 29 October 2020 21: 55 New
              10
              "For the entire DOSAAF, we had only 10 ak-47 assault rifles in our city - broken up to smithereens"
              in which city and when were there ak and Mauser pistols in the dosaaf dash? we had air vents, toz8 small cars, it seems, and margolin pistols. I saw the Mauser pistol alive, but in the museum. the machine guns were all training, reamed and cut, and we fired from a machine gun at the shooting range of local troops, from their weapons - ak and sks. in the dosaaf dash, in the city, no one fired from a machine gun, even the cops fired at the warriors, from PM and AKS
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 29 October 2020 23: 51 New
                +5
                Absolutely right. We also had non-working Kalash in the TOZ school dash, assembly-disassembly in the NVP class. And they shot at the army shooting range, the second time at the shooting range of Shot.
              2. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 30 October 2020 01: 14 New
                -4
                Quote: aglet
                "For the entire DOSAAF, we had only 10 ak-47 assault rifles in our city - broken up to smithereens"
                in which city and when were there ak and Mauser pistols in the dosaaf dash? we had air vents, toz8 small cars, it seems, and margolin pistols. I saw the Mauser pistol alive, but in the museum. the machine guns were all training, reamed and cut, and we fired from a machine gun at the shooting range of local troops, from their weapons - ak and sks. in the dosaaf dash, in the city, no one fired from a machine gun, even the cops fired at the warriors, from PM and AKS

                Don't confuse "hot" with "soft" !!! drinks

                I fired from ak-47 assault rifles during the Soviet era when we played "Orlyonok" soldier

                I was shooting from the TOZ-8 while I was playing "Zarnitsa" - but as soon as I passed to the third junior category - I was immediately entrusted to shoot from the TOZ-12 hi

                AND FURTHER!!! once I say - akm - (that's what the local "smart guys" say) you need to understand the type of Kalashnikov assault rifle that our military instructor at school called ak-47 I still sometimes have nightmares when I am blindfolded FOR TIME !!! in addition to assembling and disassembling the AK, I also clean it ... crying lol disassemble-assemble - this is garbage ... and after the shooting, it was necessary for 2 people (in turn on duty) to clean them 10 AK ... you can say the same - for a while bully cleaned - and that's it - freedom - "girls, beer, rock-ty-roll" hi

                And from the Mauser I was already shooting completely "bored" in the time of Medvedev (there was such a President of the Russian Federation), becoming a member of the military-patriotic sports society)))
                1. aglet
                  aglet 30 October 2020 15: 55 New
                  +5
                  "I fired from ak-47 assault rifles during the Soviet era when we played" Orlyonok "
                  do not confuse warm and thick, at that time, at the most, you could scribble out of the board, something similar, who would give you a military weapon, even just hold
                  "and I still sometimes have nightmares when I am blindfolded FOR TIME !!! besides assembling and disassembling the AK, I also clean it ..."
                  lying down?
                  "which our military instructor at school called akm-47"
                  You didn't have sergeants and platoon officers who could name your weapon correctly? the only representative of the army with whom you spoke was your military instructor, who knew what akm-47 is?
                  that is, you did not serve in the army, at most, shoulder straps after the military department?
                  "And from the Mauser, I was already shooting completely" bored "in the time of Medvedev (there was such a President of the Russian Federation)"
                  in the dash of dosaaf?
                  damn what fairy tales, what storytellers
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 30 October 2020 20: 33 New
                    -3
                    Quote: aglet
                    "I fired from ak-47 assault rifles during the Soviet era when we played" Orlyonok "
                    do not confuse warm and thick, at that time, at the most, you could scribble out of the board, something similar, who would give you a military weapon, even just hold
                    "and I still sometimes have nightmares when I am blindfolded FOR TIME !!! besides assembling and disassembling the AK, I also clean it ..."
                    lying down?
                    "which our military instructor at school called akm-47"
                    You didn't have sergeants and platoon officers who could name your weapon correctly? the only representative of the army with whom you spoke was your military instructor, who knew what akm-47 is?
                    that is, you did not serve in the army, at most, shoulder straps after the military department?
                    "And from the Mauser, I was already shooting completely" bored "in the time of Medvedev (there was such a President of the Russian Federation)"
                    in the dash of dosaaf?
                    damn what fairy tales, what storytellers

                    Read my posts carefully !!!
                    In the army, I officially held the AK-74 assault rifle 2 times in my life - on oath and 1 time at the shooting range, where we were given 3 single shots in the army for offset and 5 rounds of rounds to shoot - that's OFFICIAL !!! communication with automatic machines ak ends !!! )))
                    But ... NOT officially, in the same army, I shot the same plenty ...
                    For me, ak is divided into 2 types - chambered for 7,62 and 5,45
                    with enough experience, my opinion is that I would rather run in combat conditions with extra kg of ammunition for the AK-47, than get my own bullet from the AK-74 ricocheted
                    This is my personal opinion, based on my rich experience, I do not pretend to be true in the latest innovation !!!! )))
                    And about the Mauser, read literally what I wrote when I wrote;) Have you ever been in at least one military sports club? If the club has connections, at least you can shoot from Maxim, the main thing is to pay for the cartridges and the rental time for Maxim))
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 31 October 2020 09: 46 New
                      +4
                      "than get my own bullet from ak-74 ricochet
                      This is my personal opinion, based on my rich experience, "
                      you have to try very hard to get your own bullet ricochet, at least 5,45, at least 7,62. What a strange experience you have. Who in the army could allow you to shoot unofficially? Moreover, get rich experience? Do you have an idea, in general, how the shooting is carried out?
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 31 October 2020 13: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: aglet
                        "than get my own bullet from ak-74 ricochet
                        This is my personal opinion, based on my rich experience, "
                        you have to try very hard to get your own bullet ricochet, at least 5,45, at least 7,62. What a strange experience you have. Who in the army could allow you to shoot unofficially? Moreover, get rich experience? Do you have an idea, in general, how the shooting is carried out?

                        In the army, it was necessary for someone to defend the honor of our regiment at competitions, after all soldier So I "took the rap" for myself and that uncle, all the same I have the third youth category in shooting good and not only shot at the shooting range, but also at firing ranges, and at shooting ranges ... and get a ricochet 5,45 = yes, just spit))) rush into a room made of bricks, shoot at a target, do not hit - but you hit, for example, walls - this is where the "fun" will begin wassat
                      2. aglet
                        aglet 1 November 2020 14: 32 New
                        0
                        "you rush into a room made of bricks, shoot at a target, do not hit - but hit walls, for example"
                        but if you hit the target, the 5,45 bullet does not penetrate this target, and does not hit the wall? and in what competition could you "break into a brick room"? It seems that the army shooting competitions are held according to a different scheme? and, for the most part, they also shoot from small cars and margolin. no, they shoot from ak, svd, and pc too, and even in brick rooms, but this is a completely different competition, and specially trained people shoot there, and not those who held a machine gun 2 times for service in their hands
                      3. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 1 November 2020 14: 55 New
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        "you rush into a room made of bricks, shoot at a target, do not hit - but hit walls, for example"
                        but if you hit the target, the 5,45 bullet does not penetrate this target, and does not hit the wall? and in what competition could you "break into a brick room"? It seems that the army shooting competitions are held according to a different scheme? and, for the most part, they also shoot from small cars and margolin. no, they shoot from ak, svd, and pc too, and even in brick rooms, but this is a completely different competition, and specially trained people shoot there, and not those who held a machine gun 2 times for service in their hands

                        I have already contracted to write a series of articles on VO, this issue will also be covered there, wait drinks
                      4. aglet
                        aglet 2 November 2020 15: 32 New
                        0
                        "there will be covered and this question, wait"
                        I'd rather be so tired of these gray everyday life. I want to read something sparkling, about the "front sight", for example. and I hope your Zhinka will write? you will not be able to intelligibly combine letters into words, I have already made sure
                      5. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 November 2020 19: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        "there will be covered and this question, wait"
                        I'd rather be so tired of these gray everyday life. I want to read something sparkling, about the "front sight", for example. and I hope your Zhinka will write? you will not be able to intelligibly combine letters into words, I have already made sure

                        Absolutely right! I slander - she writes for me, she has a lot of experience in this format in her work, I have already agreed! drinks
            3. aglet
              aglet 31 October 2020 10: 02 New
              +2
              "And about the Mauser, read literally what I wrote when I wrote"
              you only mentioned the military history club in the last inscription. before that, you were constantly painting your military commander and the shooting range dosaaf, in which you fired from akm47, "loading a bullet into the barrel on the machine" (maybe, after all, there was an air gun), and "aiming through the front sight. none of your illiteracy, which you undoubtedly have, in spite of your medals and higher education, can not mask the fact that you served in the army, "remotely", via Skype and Google. if served at all
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 29 October 2020 21: 10 New
    +4
    Let me doubt it, the aiming line is shorter, the balance is not important, and even 100 meters.
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 21: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Let me doubt it, the aiming line is shorter, the balance is not important, and even 100 meters.

      Please clarify your question! hi
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 30 October 2020 14: 38 New
        0
        This is not a question, this is a statement.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. RAE8
      RAE8 31 October 2020 04: 43 New
      0
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Let me doubt it, the aiming line is shorter, the balance is not important, and even 100 meters.

      This is in theory, with the absolute sameness of all other parameters. But this does not happen in life.
  • sedoj
    sedoj 29 October 2020 21: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: Corona without virus
    akm-47

    What kind of animal is this? I know AKM - I ran with him for two years. I heard about the AK-47, saw it in the picture, but did not hold it in my hands. AK-74 was shown as a new development. AKM-47 - "Who is this? Why don't I know?" (FROM)
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 30 October 2020 01: 24 New
      -3
      Quote: sedoj
      Quote: Corona without virus
      akm-47

      What kind of animal is this? I know AKM - I ran with him for two years. I heard about the AK-47, saw it in the picture, but did not hold it in my hands. AK-74 was shown as a new development. AKM-47 - "Who is this? Why don't I know?" (FROM)

      Let's give you all once and for all - as a specialist good - Explain what is the correct term here to call the Kalashnikov assault rifle of '47, which is still considered the main weapon even among Sami pirates? repeat drinks I call it ak-47 - they tell me that I'm wrong ... I call it akm-47 - the same type is wrong ...
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 30 October 2020 19: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Corona without virus
        what is the correct name here for the Kalashnikov assault rifle '47

        The modernized Kalashnikov assault rifle (AKM) was put into service 10 years after the AK-47 - in 1959. Then AK - 74 appeared. I never heard of AKM - 47. Excuse me.
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 29 October 2020 18: 34 New
    15
    Something makes me doubt the author's phrase "Aimed shooting from the Mauser could not have been much further than from a conventional 9 mm pistol." Still, the sighting range of a Mauser without a stock is 200 m, with a stock - 300 m. It seems to me that this is "much farther" than the standard 50 m of a Walter P-38 or the same TT. But whether a pistol was needed for shooting at such distances is a completely different question :)).
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 October 2020 18: 58 New
      +7
      Sighting range is how much the sight is marked.
      The effective firing range is much less.
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 29 October 2020 19: 05 New
        +5
        This is clear. But the author's speech is just about sighting!)
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 October 2020 21: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        Sighting range is how much the sight is marked.
        The effective firing range is much less.

        up to 100 meters, even the PSP of air in carats is finished off. The speed of the air bullet is limited to the speed of sound 321 meters per second and the firearm will be greater in any case.
        1. Avior
          Avior 30 October 2020 09: 05 New
          +1
          The effective firing range of a pistol cartridge is actually limited to 200 meters, provided that the barrel is suitable primarily in length.
          More problematic because of ballistics.
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 29 October 2020 18: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: BMP-2
      Something makes me doubt the author's phrase "Aimed shooting from the Mauser could not have been much further than from a conventional 9 mm pistol." Still, the sighting range of a Mauser without a stock is 200 m, with a stock - 300 m. It seems to me that this is "much farther" than the standard 50 m of a Walter P-38 or the same TT. But whether a pistol was needed for shooting at such distances is a completely different question :)).

      I did not shoot from Walther and TT, but in a shooting range of 100 meters, the Mauser hits a growth target much better if you shoot five rounds in a row from the same AKM-47 - proven by practice good
    3. Konnick
      Konnick 29 October 2020 19: 07 New
      +6
      The author is rather weak in cartridges and barrels, the bullet velocity from the usual Mauser is 420 m / s, the Luger with the 9mm cartridge is 330 m / s. There is a difference. The sighting range of the Luger-parabellum is 50 meters, and the Mauser's range is 200-300 meters. The Mauser was also produced for the 9x19 cartridge. And they refused simply because of the more complex exchange loading, the weight and complexity of the design, and of course the cost.
    4. Eug
      Eug 29 October 2020 20: 44 New
      +1
      The forerunner of the submachine gun - at a distance of up to 200m, is much faster than a magazine rifle ... but not more precisely.
    5. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 29 October 2020 23: 43 New
      +2
      Sighting range in old Mauser brochures with a stock, 200 meters. By the way, for some reason, it was advertised as a light carbine for travelers.
    6. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 30 October 2020 14: 42 New
      +1
      It is possible to conduct aimed fire at such a range, but I think not to hit.
    7. Bobrovsky
      Bobrovsky 30 October 2020 18: 01 New
      0
      Everything depends not on the capabilities of the pistol, but on the capabilities of the shooter. So it is extremely difficult to get out of it from the hand even to 100 meters.
  • John22
    John22 29 October 2020 18: 38 New
    +7
    This pistol is one of the first examples of multiple-charge pistols of the late 19th century. The modern pistol scheme, at that time, had not yet appeared and the K96 had a peculiar design - with a magazine in front of the trigger guard, modeled on revolvers. And of course he had large dimensions. In addition, its designation K96 indicates its purpose as a "carbine", for which it had an attached butt-holster, a long barrel, an adjustable sight and a powerful cartridge. (Luger was designated P08). After the appearance of pistols of the classic scheme, the K96 became inconvenient for constant wearing in peacetime. And with the rest, I agree with the author of the article.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 30 October 2020 10: 01 New
      +2
      The designation of the pistol is not K96, but C96 ! and not from the word Karbin a.Mauser C96 from Construktion 96 [launch year]
    2. Bobrovsky
      Bobrovsky 30 October 2020 18: 02 New
      0
      To this must be added loading from the clip, and this is extra seconds.
  • agond
    agond 29 October 2020 18: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Corona without virus
    a fairy tale, not a pistol !!!

    Right
    1. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 29 October 2020 19: 48 New
      +5
      .. and for me, so the peer of Mauser - Luger_Borhardt `` ParaBelum '' is much more responsive (which is only the handle of the Mauser in the form of a toilet flush handle) and with a long barrel (artillery) is in no way inferior to K96
  • Constanty
    Constanty 29 October 2020 19: 21 New
    +5
    I don't think the cartridge and weight of the weapon is critical.
    Thanks to the use of a fully convertible 7,62x25 cartridge in TT, PPSh or PPS, the cartridge was very popular, its stocks were huge and the availability was significant.
    Be that as it may, after the end of the First World War, the C96 in 9mm Para was also produced - the famous red nine.




    Also, the weight was no different from others, let's call it modern pistols such as Colt 1911 or VIS.

    The gun was just very labor intensive and time consuming to manufacture - fully milled.
    Mauser tried to switch to a new, cheaper technology, but lost to Walter and his P38 in a tender for the army, and the Mauser HSC went into production for the civilian market (and the Kriegsmarine).

    All this, as well as the fact that Mauser was used in other wartime industries, forced the company to close the production line - there was nothing to return after the war - the world was crushed by unnecessary weapons
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 October 2020 20: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Constanty
      the C96 was also produced in caliber 9mm Para - the famous red nine.

      A plus sign for you! And then I really thought that no one would remember about 9 mm in the "Mauser"! True, there were less 9-mm rounds in the "clip" of the Mauser than the 7,63-mm ... request
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 29 October 2020 20: 46 New
        +6
        Are you sure?
        The 7,63x25 cartridge had a throat, and the rest of the case had the same diameter as the 9x19 Para cartridge - this is how the Luger cartridge was made - by moving away from the cartridge neck and increasing the shell caliber.
        Therefore, the "clip" e must have exactly the same number.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 29 October 2020 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Constanty
          Therefore, the "clip" e must have exactly the same number

          Actually, you're right ... I somehow didn't think about the sleeve! Simply, it "surfaced" in my memory that I once had to read about a smaller number of 9-mm rounds in a "clip"! We must now double-check!
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 29 October 2020 21: 03 New
            +1
            7,63x25 - max diameter 9,83 / 9,95


            9x19mm Para
            Max diameter circa 9,95 / 9,98


            0,391 "= 9,93mm
            1. alexander1
              alexander1 29 October 2020 23: 31 New
              +1
              I'll tell you even more, and 223 REM (5.56x45 NATO) oddly enough has similar dimensions of the lower part of the sleeve. And I personally fired the Toha with cartridges made from cut and re-crimped Remington casings and cast lead bullets. Any cartridge case is slightly smaller than the chamber and it "blows" a little after firing, especially on self-loading weapons, so that hundreds of millimeters do not play a special role! Our craftsmen even re-pressed bullets 311 (AKM) in 308 WIN. True, I did not dare to shoot them from my carbine. 308 bullets are not much more expensive, but they definitely fly better))
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 29 October 2020 22: 04 New
          +2
          PS Pistols Mauser C-96 were produced for magazines for 6,10,20 rounds ... This is where the "clip" for 6 rounds came to mind! By the way, the pistol was also produced for the 9 mm Mauser Export (9x25) cartridge. I recall that the Hungarian gunsmith Kiraly created his submachine gun for this cartridge ... Some experts are trying to "translate" the "PPK" into the category of "assault rifles" (assault rifles / carbines ...), thereby ascribing to Kiraly the "palm" for the creation of "assault rifles" during WW2 ...
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 30 October 2020 09: 41 New
          +2
          There was also a 9x25mm Mauser cartridge (export) and a pistol for it.

          The gun, frankly, is just too lazy to look for. hi
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 29 October 2020 21: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Constanty
      Thanks to the use of a fully convertible 7,62x25 cartridge in TT, PPSh or PPS, the cartridge was very popular, its stocks were huge and the availability was significant.
      And the cartridge cartridges: 7,63 × 25 mm Mauser and our 7,62x25 - are interchangeable?
      Caliber is measured in different ways: either by the distance between opposite groove fields (in the countries of the former USSR) or by the distance between the bottom of the opposite rifling (NATO). So my question arose: are these cartridges of the same caliber?
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 29 October 2020 22: 27 New
        +2
        Fully interchangeable In fact, this is a Mauser cartridge produced in the USSR. At least in theory - see text in bold

        As for changing the caliber, it is a purely cosmetic procedure that exists only on paper. The Russians followed a similar procedure when, in 1933, the TT wz. 33. Since the permitted caliber in the Russian army was 7,62 mm, they were given this very little change. So, we have a cartridge 7,62x25. Also, Russian ammunition has strange dimensional tolerances in the range of 7,85-7,87 mm. The discrepancy in production is somewhat large.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 October 2020 23: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Constanty
      the C96 was also produced in caliber 9mm Para - the famous red nine.

      1. Constanty
        Constanty 30 October 2020 10: 09 New
        0

        How not to count 10 rounds :-)
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 29 October 2020 20: 28 New
    +4
    I won't leave him anyway ... because he's good! yes
  • shinobi
    shinobi 29 October 2020 20: 41 New
    +2
    Principle - the simpler the mechanism, the more reliable it is, the pressure during development
    Any weapon. The Mauser was let down by the complexity of the design. As an example, revolver systems. Officially existed since the middle of the 16th century, in the form we are used to seeing it since 1818. Popular and relevant dosikhpor.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 8 November 2020 11: 57 New
      0
      ..and the most reliable ..
  • soloveyav
    soloveyav 29 October 2020 21: 03 New
    +4
    The Chinese type can also be attributed to the moiser-like 80

    So the idea did not disappear after WW2, but quite lived for itself back in the 70s and 80s in the same China
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 29 October 2020 21: 14 New
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    The pistol is insanely heavy, but:
    1. Aesthetic.
    2. Wooden holster.
    3. The butt, which turned into a wooden holster, made it possible to shoot from a pistol at a long distance, probably.
    4. Legendary.

    In short - nya, but only with a long-n-nude trunk, because the size does matter.
    By the way, this pistol was positioned as a weapon of travelers, adventurers and wealthy officers.
    The very case when the technically not the most perfect model has firmly entered the cultural code of not only Europe but also the Russian Federation.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 9 November 2020 06: 53 New
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      I agree. In general, initially, the first serial Mauser were positioned as carbines. But then they came to the conclusion that this is an intermediate link between pistols and ships. As a result, historically, the Mauser remained "Mauser".
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 29 October 2020 21: 15 New
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    Uh ... Lots of Common Words.
    And the facts are few. Only age and caliber, which you can already see on the wiki ...
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 29 October 2020 21: 21 New
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    and stopping
    Stopping, probably
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 29 October 2020 21: 40 New
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      Ugh, "stopping"
  • hohol95
    hohol95 29 October 2020 22: 00 New
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    It would be more accurate to say that only the security forces, the army and the police, refused from K96.

    Dear author! Tell me - in which country the Mauser S96 was used in acceptable quantities by the police and the army. Officially. Except for the Kuomintang army.
    1. About 2
      About 2 29 October 2020 22: 54 New
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      It entered service with the NKVD in the Soviet Union, the Germans called it bolo Mauser, that is, the Bolshevik.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 30 October 2020 10: 01 New
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        Iceland has officially purchased a batch of C96 for its own police. So they adopted it!
        Bolo or not Bolo (police option) ...
        Will there be more examples?
        The Mauser was more of a limited-use weapon and a rescue tool for all sorts of wildlife explorers!
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 31 October 2020 12: 31 New
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        Quote: About 2
        it was called the bolo Mauser, that is, the Bolshevik.

        And the knife and tie are also in their honor?
  • About 2
    About 2 29 October 2020 22: 51 New
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    In World War I, this pistol entered the German army to replace the losses of the Luger P 08 pistol, among the Parrabelum people. During World War II, the SS troops were armed with their various rear units in the first place. The German army did not initially plan to adopt the K 96 into service.
  • Disorder
    Disorder 30 October 2020 02: 25 New
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    I found several reasons for abandoning this weapon, some of them are understandable and so, but there are also not so unambiguous. It would be more accurate to say that K96 was abandoned only by power structures: the army and the police. But it is still quite popular as a civilian and premium weapon.

    The most obvious thing is, perhaps, that the pistol itself is hopelessly outdated: after all, the old man is more than a hundred years old. However, I would not call this a compelling reason, since any weapon needs to be updated and refined sooner or later. Nothing stood in the way of remaking it using modern synthetic materials, which would have a positive effect on the characteristics of the model.


    I didn't understand something. If I'm not mistaken, the production of K96 was discontinued in 1939, and it was not officially in service with the army, and even more so with the police.

    PS I can offer one more reason. The location of the magazine in front of the trigger guard leads to an increase in size and a deterioration in the balance of the pistol.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 9 November 2020 06: 58 New
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      all modern pistols, when fired at the top, lift up great; when the clip is arranged in front of the handle, this effect is reduced due to the forward-shifted center of mass.
      1. Disorder
        Disorder 9 November 2020 12: 14 New
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        Due to the forward center of gravity of the Mauser, it is more difficult to keep the barrel in line of sight.
        In addition, as the magazine runs out of cartridges, the departure angle changes.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 10 November 2020 00: 59 New
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          You gain something, but lose something. It depends on the priority.
  • karelia-molot
    karelia-molot 30 October 2020 05: 38 New
    +2
    Pistols became police weapons, and the task of the police was not high destructive properties, but stopping ones.

    Stopping properties of weapons - is it somewhat convenient to shoot at stops?
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 30 October 2020 11: 44 New
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      Stopping of course. Most likely just a mistake
  • AnAtoly47
    AnAtoly47 30 October 2020 09: 08 New
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    Somehow I had to hold it in my hands. Heavy, but very impressionable.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2020 10: 40 New
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    In due time it was necessary to shoot from "Mauser" more than once (there was such an opportunity). I will express my personal opinion: the accuracy and accuracy of the battle is excellent, the recoil is normal, and if with two hands, not to mention the kabur as a butt, even more so. The only drawback is that the frame latch protrusion under the trigger fills (easily injures) the hand between the thumb and forefinger. The gun is great and really beautiful in itself.
  • John22
    John22 30 October 2020 10: 42 New
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    I fired from K96 - 20 shots (two clips). The tenth round goes straight into the barrel. The pistol grip is peculiar, but you can get used to it if you know the rules of holding the weapon. Rear sight and front sight of triangular type (Mauser). Shooting is comfortable - the recoil is small, the barrel toss is moderate. Shot with one hand. Accuracy, of course, depends on the shooter. The pistol is solid, inspires respect. Lever fuse. Partial disassembly is simple. Papanin, apparently, did not know the materiel very well, if he did not understand the purpose of the extra part during disassembly. In general, every device has its own time. New should be better in fact.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 31 October 2020 04: 37 New
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      The recoil is small, including due to the mass of weapons. And a big bonus is the butt-holster.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 30 October 2020 10: 58 New
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    Last year I was in the new Stalingrad panorama, there is a museum on the ground floor, one of the halls displays the personal weapons of Soviet military leaders who commanded in Stalingrad, and there are a lot of Mauser pistols that were armed with the generals of the Red Army.
    1. aglet
      aglet 30 October 2020 16: 15 New
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      "in one of the halls the personal weapons of the Soviet commanders who commanded in Stalingrad are presented and there are a lot of Mauser pistols, which were armed with the generals of the Red Army."
      with whom they went on the attack, or just, for show-off they wore?
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 October 2020 12: 28 New
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    "Aimed shooting from the Mauser was not much farther than from a conventional 9 mm pistol." ///
    ----
    The article is very superficial. Uninformative negative
    From the Mauser, it was possible to shoot aiming quite far.
    Because he had a holster. Which served as a butt,
    attached to the handle.
  • Couchexpert
    Couchexpert 30 October 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    If we abstract from poems, songs, fables and other lyrics and evaluate purely the design, then here are some of its positive properties (in comparison with a classic-looking pistol with a Browning scheme, for example):

    1. The magazine (whether it is permanent with exchange gear or replaceable) is not inside the handle (there is nothing in it at all) and this allows the handle to be made completely arbitrary ergonomically ideal shapes (and completely cover it with plastic for thermal comfort). It's like revolvers. In theory, it should contribute to the accuracy of shooting.

    2. The magazine, again located in front of the trigger, should shift the center of gravity of the pistol forward from the handle and reduce the barrel toss when firing (well, at least when it is full), which should also contribute to the accuracy of shooting.

    3. The barrel, as the aircraft designers say, is "aerodynamically clean", that is, the entire length is devoid of moving parts that can impede cooling, increases in width / height (which potentially impairs the ability to quickly extract from the holster, for example), etc. This opens up certain prospects: you can easily equip the barrel itself with mounts for fashionable modern body kits (with this method, the backlashes are minimal), equip with ribbing for better heat dissipation, integrate muffling functions directly into it (recall the design of the BCC or MP-5 corresponding model: grooved holes , external casing, etc.), without lengthening the barrel with an additional muzzle attachment (for my IMHO, this is the most promising direction: after all, there is no gas breakthrough like a revolver between the barrel and the drum, and the disadvantages like a small magazine capacity in special weapons are not so critical) ... And as with all modern "modular" designs, a quick change of the barrel itself can theoretically be realized (another question is why?).

    Summing up, we can say that such a scheme is really of little use as a serviceable and large-scale weapon, but as a platform for highly specialized needs ... maybe not quite yet, or maybe not at all.
  • Krokodil68
    Krokodil68 31 October 2020 10: 55 New
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    Quote: Alex777
    From the Mauser, with its recoil, I did not find any hit marks in the target.

    And where is the "return"? )))
    The recoil impulse passes already AFTER the bullet leaves the barrel.
    Admit it better that the legs are crooked.
    From the "Mauser", with its weight distribution and non-standard grip, you need to be ABLE to shoot!
  • Maki maki
    Maki maki 1 November 2020 08: 25 New
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    With the debut of you hi
  • tolancop
    tolancop 1 November 2020 21: 25 New
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    Reading this opus does not cause anything but a mat !!! The score "about nothing" is too high for this ... I don't even know what to call it ...
    1. agond
      agond 3 November 2020 20: 08 New
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      I think it is possible to make an experimental sample of a Luger pistol similar to the Mauser, for this the open hinged locking mechanism of the Luger is moved to a new place, that is, where the Mauser has a store, that is, inside and connect it with a special rod to the bolt. in this case, you can even refuse the short stroke of the barrel, the articulated lever mechanism will act as a free shutter with a delay.
  • Al shahini
    Al shahini 3 November 2020 21: 00 New
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    Perhaps the dimensions and weight were decisive in the rejection of this weapon.
  • Dedok
    Dedok 5 November 2020 10: 53 New
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    if I am not mistaken, then in the Latin / German version the name was: "Construction 96" or in an abbreviated form - Mauser С 96
  • Sergey Rasskazov
    Sergey Rasskazov 9 November 2020 01: 01 New
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    The most interesting thing is that times are changing and new weapons are coming to replace them. And as a rule, weapons have a caliber, which each state has its own. This time. And the second is that new types of technology have appeared, such as aircraft and tanks. What is it like for a pilot in a cramped cockpit with a wooden holster and a healthy pistol, especially when leaving urgently? Or in a tank, where space is also limited. It is also not unimportant that in the cold it is more problematic to hide it under clothes, so as not to freeze your hands when applied. Also, during a long march on foot, he not only pulled with a weight, but also hit the body. And the most important thing is the assembly and disassembly time. And as a bonus, please, and gave more massively.
  • most052
    most052 14 November 2020 09: 48 New
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    A beautiful legendary barrel, but it was inconvenient and difficult to maintain, and expensive ... Therefore, Browning at number two was gradually replaced, and later reborn as TT ...
  • Cuba
    Cuba 18 November 2020 06: 43 New
    +1
    For YOUR time - an excellent machine! ... but the same luger in artillery performance is much more interesting and convenient
    1. Generator Systems
      Yesterday, 19: 23 New
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      можете его показать ?
  • Amborlakatay
    Amborlakatay 20 November 2020 21: 45 New
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    Nice weapon!