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Islamic wars. Turkey in the ring of ill-wishers

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Source: static.riafan.ru


"Zero neighbors without problems"


Among the circle of the Turkish Republic, only Azerbaijan maintains a tolerant attitude towards the personality of Erdogan. This, of course, is backed up by diplomatic and military patronage in the manner of an older brother, which has already caused bloodshed in Nagorno-Karabakh. Without the sanction and active support of Turkey, Azerbaijan would never have dared to commit aggression, in which it could get bogged down for more than one month. Such patronizing attitude of Ankara towards Baku is explained by the factual absence of serious foreign policy ambitions of Ilham Aliyev.

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh was another step in the rapidly deteriorating relations of the Turkish leadership with its neighbors. In this case, Erdogan's support for the conflict seriously hits the influence of Russia in the Caucasian region and, which is important, discredits the Russian weapon... Still, the constantly flickering footage of the destruction of equipment of Soviet and Russian origin by high-precision weapons and kamikaze drones does not add any chances to domestic weapons in world markets. So far, Turkey's dodgy policy does not seek open conflict with Russia. It is quite possible that in the near future we will see the next steps towards Moscow.

Erdogan, obviously, very much believes in the strength of his own state and collects enemies for himself like pearls in a necklace. Many of the conflicts, which had died down for many years, flared up with renewed vigor. In the Eastern Mediterranean, Turkey rushes to offshore hydrocarbons, ignoring the protests of the local host, Greece. Skirmishes on the water have not yet reached the point of bloodshed, but the sailors are no longer ashamed to ram a friend. Recall that quite a hot, sluggish conflict is going on between NATO member countries, and so far few can predict its outcome. Egypt, which can in no way be called a partner of Turkey, has repeatedly stated about the possible support of the Greeks in the event of Erdogan's aggression.


Source: gazeta.ru

In addition to Israel, with which almost every Muslim country is at enmity, Erdogan is not shy about militant remarks. It is scary to resort to active action: after all, the supposed nuclear power is in the adversaries. But the Turkish leader allows himself to threaten his own people with plans to liberate Jerusalem. However, as well as support the Palestinian militants. From the same opera, the assertion of one's own greatness in the Islamic world was the transformation of the Hagia Sophia into a mosque. No matter how they say that this is an internal matter of Turkey, such a step by Erdogan is clearly seen as flirting with his own electorate, as well as a provocation for external forces.

Ankara managed to quarrel with Tehran as well. Despite the fact that Iran and Turkey are participating in the Astana process of resolving the conflict in Syria (Russia is also in the game), the goals of the countries seriously differ. In fact, Erdogan is now in northern Syria providing the livelihoods of a mass of inveterate thugs-terrorists, with whom both Iran and Russia are fighting. Some of these barbarians fostered by the Turks are now fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh.


The activity of the Turkish army spreads far beyond the borders of the homeland. Source: belvpo.com

Turkey's relations with Saudi Arabia, which claims to be the leader of the entire Islamic world, are also not developing in the best way. In fact, Erdogan's secret services framed Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman when they helped to capture opposition journalist Jamal Khashoggi. No one in Turkey resisted his murder, the unfortunate was actually taken into a trap, prudently equipping the Arabian embassy with eavesdropping equipment. As a result, Khashogi is tortured and dismembered, Turkey is the blood enemy of the Saudis, and the authority of Mohammed bin Salman, who gave the order to kill the journalist, will never be restored.

About stories Erdogan's constant provocation of the United States is now not only lazy. It seems that Ankara's relations with the most important country in the NATO clan can be restored only with a change in the Turkish leadership. And this is not even visible on the horizon. Of the last News on the front of Turkish aggression, Erdogan's attacks on Macron began. According to the Turkish President, the French leader "needs treatment for his psyche" because of the intention to organize a structure in Paris to create "enlightened Islam." And again the conflict, and again with the NATO country.

With all this, the immoderate ambitions of the Turkish leadership do not at all match the military-political potential. To put it simply, Turkish troops look very modest in ground operations. Everyone remembers what the operation to restore the former greatness of the Ottoman Empire in northern Syria cost the local tankers in 2016. Then Erdogan managed to break the resistance of the terrorists only by building up a gigantic superiority of forces.

Mohammed bin Zayed vs Recep Erdogan


The odious leader quarreled with everyone around him. And a coalition is being created around it. Now, not the most friendly regimes have a reason to be friends against someone. In a political game in the Middle East, always characterized by special passions, Israel has signed an unprecedented agreement to normalize relations with the United Arab Emirates. It can be read, among other things, as the creation of the first coalition against Turkish expansion. Erdogan was particularly irritated by the mediation of another antagonist, Donald Trump, in this process. The latter, in the best tradition of diplomacy, tweeted:

“Huge breakthrough! A historic peace agreement between our two great friends: Israel and the United Arab Emirates! "



Muhammad bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces. Source: kommersant.ru

For the sake of fairness, I would like to note that the treaty was intended to cool down the expansion of another serious player in the Islamic world - Iran. Tehran accused the signatories of the treaty of "strategic stupidity", and Ankara called Abu Dhabi's actions "a betrayal of Palestinian interests." It seems that it is the United Arab Emirates that are becoming the leading force in the confrontation with the Turks. And here comes the personality of Mohammed bin Zayed, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. He has long spoiled Erdogan's nerves, either supporting an attempted coup in Turkey or accusing Ankara of violating Syrian sovereignty. All the political and diplomatic activity of Mohammed bin Zayed in recent years allows the West to view him as one of the few negotiable leaders. Saudi Arabia with its radical views repels many, but the UAE looks quite secular, and even Turkey has time to show its teeth.

Mohammed bin Zayed, as best he can, through third countries, influences the expansion of Turkey. In Syria, he promised many, many billions to Assad for the resumption of hostilities in Idlib. The new carnage with unpredictable consequences was interrupted only by Moscow: after all, the agreement with Turkey must be observed. In turn, Ankara successfully supports the Libyan government in the confrontation with Khalifa Haftar, who is financed from Abu Dhabi and is a personal friend of Mohammed bin Zayed. Here, by the way, Turkey acts on completely legal grounds and is even supported in this by the UN. Therefore, it is too early to talk about any decisive diplomatic advantage of Abu Dhabi, it is, rather, about a mutual dive. However, a precedent for the unification of the UAE and Israel into a coalition has been created and, quite possibly, other countries will join it, albeit informally.

Turkey will finally drive itself into isolation, which will not be easy to cope with. It is interesting that Russia now has a serious influence on the balance of power, balancing between warring groups. In many ways, the disposition in the Middle East depends on which side Moscow will take. Ankara has seriously spoiled the Russian agenda by supporting Baku's aggression in Nagorno-Karabakh and is likely to wait for another act of "soft power" from Moscow.
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  1. Scipio
    Scipio 29 October 2020 05: 21
    +8
    Erdogan believes too much in himself and in his capabilities. Imperial ambitions to drive him deep into one place .... More and more it seems that the Sultan has lost his sense of reality and the ability to think adequately. Of Turkey's friends, only Azerbaijan, so-so friend ...
    1. Asad
      Asad 29 October 2020 05: 32
      +2
      Turkey is placing a loan at 6% in euros, one might say it falls into "desperate". What will it give back?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 29 October 2020 08: 02
        11
        ... Turkey in the ring of ill-wishers

        And who wants to be friends with an aggressive and inadequate state, which at any moment can stick a knife in the back!

        ... Among the encirclement of the Turkish Republic only Azerbaijan maintains a tolerant attitude towards Erdogan's personality.

        Not true. How much Vladimir Vladimirovich did for his friend Erdogan, nobody did. Whether Azerbaijan is capable of this after the downing of the plane and the murder of the plenipotentiary ambassador - I strongly doubt it.

        Oh, Vladimir Vladimirovich chooses the wrong friends! From such all normal shy away.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 29 October 2020 10: 08
          12
          Quote: Stas157
          How much Vladimir Vladimirovich did for his friend Erdogan, nobody did. Whether Azerbaijan is capable of this after the downing of the plane and the murder of the plenipotentiary ambassador - I strongly doubt it.


          100%, I remember what the sentiments were here at the forum in 2015, when Turkey openly shot down our Su-24 and how pro-Turkish militants shot Oleg Peshkov ... then they almost threatened Turkey with war, they offered to strike at Turkish military facilities, air bases etc. and as Putin spoke, "Turkey will not get off with tomatoes," "A knife in the back," and so on, and how quickly our people backed down. And they began to build nuclear power plants in Turkey, sold the S-400 (to a NATO country!), Built a gas pipeline - which Turkey does not need now, and every year it reduces gas purchases from us, and the entire current Russian policy towards Turkey is surprising (mildly speaking) and not understanding, the GDP probably already has no free space on its back, but the policy towards Turkey does not change ...
          1. 9PA
            9PA 29 October 2020 13: 34
            -2
            In terms of foreign policy, GDP is strong. How else the c400 will affect Turkey is not clear. Recep no longer suits anyone except for the GDP, he will leave the pipe will remain
          2. smart fellow
            smart fellow 30 October 2020 02: 21
            -2
            The nuclear power plant in Turkey belongs to Rosatom and the Turks pledged to buy electricity at a certain, rather high, price.
            Instead of the S-400, Erdogan could buy a Patriot. And so Turkey still took off from the F-35 program.
            Built a gas pipeline to sell his gas. The Turks are obliged to buy it at a certain price, but because of the fall in natural gas prices, it is more profitable for them to buy from other sellers.
            Most importantly, Turkey is splitting NATO and the EU. And that outweighs all the cons. Zhirik said on TV that the Turks are cannon fodder that the Europeans (primarily the British) used against Russia. And why fall for this bait again? Let the Turks fight the Greeks and the French, and the British, who have preferred to stay in the background for the last decades, support them. The pressure on Russia and Belarus will ease.
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 30 October 2020 12: 08
              +1
              Of course, Turkey's problems with NATO play into our hands, but the revival of Turkey in the format of the new Ottoman Empire, at the expense of our former territories, is far from in our interests. For example, take military-technical cooperation between Turkey and the CSTO countries, Turkey offers them its military equipment, they buy it, and thus our military-industrial complex is squeezed out and the purchase of our military products is reduced, then preparations are underway to create an army of Turan, for example, Azerbaijan is already in Turkey's orbit , Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are already in the process ... + Turkey's cultural expansion into Central Asia is taking place, based on the unification of all Turkic peoples, and this is not a joke + with the strengthening of Turkey's influence, the population in this region is being radicalized, and in the future this can seriously affect our North Caucasus, and this is a question of the security of our state. And no joint projects will replace the fact that our sales markets are being taken away from us (now military products, further with the strengthening of Turkey's influence, these will also be other goods, for example, the sale of hydrocarbons to the EU, to Central Asia, after all, Erdogan got into Libya, Azerbaijan for a reason + is fighting for gas reserves in the sea with Greece and Cyprus, and purchases from Qatar must be taken into account, the Qatar + Azerbaijan + Turkey tandem is an application to oust Russia from the market, of course Turkey has enough problems with the EU there, but if the choice is Russian gas or an alternative, we must say what the EU will choose?), then the United States, in their interests, the creation of a new Ottoman Empire to counter in Asia: Russia and China. Therefore, the situation is very serious ... and especially in the security sector in the Caucasus.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 30 October 2020 12: 15
                +1
                Absolutely right. I will just add that Qatar is not a country, it is a British gas company. Whoever believes that Turkey is fighting against everyone is categorically mistaken. Turkey is fighting specifically against France and Russia, in alliance with Britain, the tacit support of Germany and Italy.
              2. smart fellow
                smart fellow 30 October 2020 15: 24
                0
                I have just read an article in "Free Press": Alexander Borodai: Russian volunteers are ready to go to war in Nagorno-Karabakh.
                Well, the flag in hand.
                I liked how one of the guests of the TV show said: Pan-Turkism is the same crap as Pan-Slavism. These brothers are Slavs: Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Poles and maybe soon Belarusians. Such brothers that enemies are not needed with them.
                Deputies, political analysts on TV shows say that the same events are expected in Russia as it is now in Belarus. But it is unclear how the government is preparing for them. And it works hard:
                The government of the Russian Federation introduced new rules for the sale of medicines, now all supplies and sales of medicines must go through registration in the electronic state system MDLP. Continuous disruptions in the operation of this system have led to delays and disruptions in the supply of drugs to pharmacies throughout the country.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 29 October 2020 13: 54
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          How much Vladimir Vladimirovich did for his friend Erdogan, nobody did

          For example?
          Quote: Stas157
          Whether Azerbaijan is capable of this after the downing of the plane and the murder of the plenipotentiary ambassador - I strongly doubt it.

          The ambassador was killed by a terrorist who is now in prison, not the Turkish authorities.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 29 October 2020 14: 02
            +3
            Quote: CSKA
            For example?

            Do you really not know or are you pretending? It’s not even convenient for me to play Captain Obvious and list things that have long been known to everyone.

            Quote: CSKA
            The ambassador was killed by a terrorist

            Well, yes, and the Russian plane was shot down without an order either! And the harmless Erdogan definitely has nothing to do with it !!))

            Why did you agree to defend the Turks! Why do you need this?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 29 October 2020 14: 47
              -4
              Quote: Stas157
              Do you really not know or are you pretending? It’s not even convenient for me to play Captain Obvious and list things that have long been known to everyone.

              Well, let the captain be obvious. So what has the GDP done to Turkey there?
              Quote: Stas157
              Well, yes, and the Russian plane was shot down without an order either! And the harmless Erdogan definitely has nothing to do with it !!))

              )))) Now it turns out that you dragged the murder of the ambassador in vain. Now on the Su-24. that is, to shoot down our bomber, the pilot personally requested permission from the president? Are you sure? Erdogan himself told you about this? I think that this was the initiative of the pilot himself, who later wanted to cover up with excuses.
              Quote: Stas157
              Why did you agree to defend the Turks! Why do you need this?

              I am not defending the Turks. I am opposed to carrying a blizzard about the fact that we are mega friends with Turkey after they kind of killed our ambassador and shot down our plane.
              Again. The ambassador was killed by a terrorist. The plane was shot down by the pilot, who acted on his own. Our reaction followed. The Turks themselves went to the test. And that we should have unleashed a war with a NATO country because of the stupid actions of one pilot? After settling all the issues, normal trade began. We did not become any great friends from this.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 29 October 2020 16: 21
                +2
                Quote: CSKA
                I am against thatwhat would they carry a blizzard about that we are mega friends with Turkey

                Maybe not mega?))) Maybe just super?)) Look at these shining friendly faces.


                You personally can be against anything, lover of oxymorons, this does not affect reality in any way.

                Quote: CSKA
                Well, let the captain be obvious. What has GDP done to Turkey there??

                What are you counting on by asking downright stupid questions? To confuse the interlocutor with this or what?

                Yes, Erdogan even owes his existence to Putin, who warned Erdogan during the putsch. Not to mention all the other little things like: a nuclear power plant, a gas flow and a gas distribution hub to Europe, the go-ahead for the entry of the Turkish army into Syria, the most effective air defense system in the world, capable of making a limited access zone ...

                By God! It feels like I'm teaching a child. I am somehow even uncomfortable for you. hi
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 3 November 2020 17: 44
                  -3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Maybe not mega?))) Maybe just super?)) Look at these shining friendly faces.

                  What are you? Really? Look at the photo? Are you small that you can judge about geopolitical relations from a photograph of smiling uncles?
                  Quote: Stas157
                  You personally can be against anything, lover of oxymorons, this does not affect reality in any way.

                  What is the reality there? Do not pass off your speculations as reality.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Yes, Erdogan even owes his existence to Putin, who warned Erdogan during the putsch

                  Here the theories have already rushed which you pass as the fact.
                  Read who warned whom:
                  https://www.mk.ru/politics/2016/07/20/erdogan-nakonec-rasskazal-kto-predupredil-ego-o-perevorote.html
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Not to mention all the other little things like: nuclear power plant, gas flow and gas distribution hub to Europe

                  All the Turks pay for this, these are not gifts. This is called international trade.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  OK for the entry of the Turkish army into Syria

                  Well, of course. Another invented nonsense. Turkey did not ask anyone for anything.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  the most effective air defense system in the world, capable of making a limited access zone ...

                  Well yes. We also sold it for a lot of money. This is not a gift.
          2. lucul
            lucul 29 October 2020 15: 52
            +3
            Quote: Stas157
            How much Vladimir Vladimirovich did for his friend Erdogan, nobody did

            For example?

            To begin with, he saved his life. )))
            Erdogan would no longer exist (like Gaddafi) if Putin had not given him the whole alignment of the upcoming putsch in time)))
            In the East, such a "service" is not forgotten ...
            1. Past the crocodile
              Past the crocodile 29 October 2020 17: 41
              +1
              Oh yeah! In the East (not the Far East), no good deed goes unpunished.
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 29 October 2020 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: CSKA
            The ambassador was killed by a terrorist who is now in prison

            And for good I had to sit on a stake.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 30 October 2020 11: 45
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              And for good I had to sit on a stake.

              I agree, but there is no death penalty in Turkey.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 29 October 2020 12: 53
        +3
        Taking into account the general state of the Turkish economy, the issue of debt repayment is not considered at all))) another question - are there any fools who will lend?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 October 2020 16: 31
          0
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Taking into account the general state of the Turkish economy, the issue of debt repayment is not considered at all))) another question - are there any fools who will lend?

          Yes, Aliyev himself is already in BIG debtors before Erdogan!
          How will Aliyev - respectively, Azerbaijan and Turkey - settle accounts with Erdogan for the victory in the civil war of Azerbaijanis against Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh? This is a different question.
          But one thing is clear in the answer that Aliyev (Azerbaijan) will pay with Erdogan (Turkey) from the state pocket and the surrender of political positions from Azerbaijan to Turkey.
          Definitely it will oil, Islamization countries, Azerbaijani "cannon fodder", replacement of the indigenous population of Azerbaijan by Turks etc.

          So in terms of returning debts from other countries of Turkey, Erdogan is not that "bankrupt" yet and will withdraw his Turkish gesheft from Azerbaijan in full and even with a hook!
          For Erdogan and Turkey in this regard, you shouldn't worry too much! Erdogan still has enough strength for other countries and peoples to crap, crap and crap.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 29 October 2020 18: 48
            +1
            This is on condition that this war ends in victory, although what profit will be from such a victory is a big question. So so far both Ankara and Baku are in "minuses". And when will there be "pluses" and will there be any?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 10: 11
      -1
      Quote: Scipio
      It seems more and more that the Sultan has lost his sense of reality and the ability to think adequately. Of Turkey's friends, only Azerbaijan, so-so friend ...

      More and more, it seems that the local commentators have lost touch with reality.
      Turkey's direct allies: England, Qatar, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Algeria, Tunisia, partially the United States.
      Positive: Germany, Italy
      Enemies: Iran, France, Saudis, Egypt.

      The environment does not even smell, they will openly agree with the United States after the elections, the Turks are acting completely in the interests of the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. Scipio
        Scipio 29 October 2020 10: 20
        +7
        Turkey was like that. But now Erdogan is dreaming of the objection of the Ottoman Empire and is increasingly prying his nose into other matters. Is Iran positive? Isn't it funny yourself? The two countries that claim leadership in the region, in principle, cannot have a positive attitude towards each other. You also say that the United States has a positive attitude towards Russia)
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 10: 21
          +1
          Can you read?
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Enemies: Iran, France, Saudis, Egypt.
          1. Scipio
            Scipio 29 October 2020 10: 24
            0
            I'm sorry, I was wrong. I didn't read it carefully)
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 10: 32
              +2
              It happens. If there was no support, Erdogan would not have acted this way. Everyone forgets about England (through her the United States), which openly supports Turkey. Germany and Italy are semi-poker players, in words one thing, in fact another, Turkey does not oppose their global interests.
              Classics of Anglo-Saxon politics, to rake in the heat with someone else's hands.

              British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab called Turkey an ally of London.
              "Turkey is a key element of NATO, and also an ally and friend of London," he tweeted.

      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 29 October 2020 12: 55
        0
        Are you not considering the option that after the elections the United States may find itself in a "band of turbulence"? Both sides are already openly saying that if they are defeated, they will not recognize the results. Given the general mess in the United States, the situation could drag on. And they will have no time for Turkey.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 October 2020 13: 00
          +1
          2-3 months maximum. After the Christmas holidays, everything is back to normal. In 2000 it already happened.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 29 October 2020 13: 24
            0
            In 2000, there was no such mess in the country as it is now. And the mutual presentation is now much tougher.
    3. pereselenec
      pereselenec 29 October 2020 10: 29
      +3
      Quote: Scipio
      Of Turkey's friends, only Azerbaijan, so-so friend ...


      Azerbaijan, rather, not even a friend, but sang along. Remember how Zadornov spoke about the Moldovans, they say they sit at home and are proud that they are, like, Romanians? So, this is how Azerbaijanis sit and are proud that they are like Turks. laughing
      1. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 29 October 2020 17: 50
        0
        There are indigenous peoples in Azerbaijan - Avars, Lezgins, Talysh, Udins. They definitely do not consider themselves Turks and are oriented more towards Russia, the Talysh also towards Iran.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 29 October 2020 11: 16
      -5
      Quote: Scipio
      Of Turkey's friends, only Azerbaijan, so-so friend ...

      And also Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and it is quite possible that CHINA !!
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 29 October 2020 12: 58
        +1
        Yeah, especially China likes the fact that Uyghur terrorists are trained in militant camps in Syria. And even more so, the Chinese do not need Turkey in Central Asia. They have other plans.
  2. Far B
    Far B 29 October 2020 05: 26
    -10 qualifying.
    Turkey in the ring of ill-wishers
    A strange ring, honestly. In the north, from Bulgaria to Greece (inclusive), there is somehow no smell of ill-will. So it's never a ring, but ... a half-ring. And if the author himself says that in Libya "by the way, Turkey acts on completely legal grounds and is even supported in this UN", then it is somehow indecent to talk about the ring.
    Among the environment of the Turkish Republic, only Azerbaijan maintains a tolerant attitude towards the personality of Erdogan
    And where did Russia go? Putin also seems to have a good attitude towards Erdogan. Akkuyu is building to the Turks, the Turkish Stream (empty) sbatsal. Peace-friendship-chewing gum. And, well, Putin also adjusted the S-400 to Erdogan.
    discredits Russian weapons. Still, the constantly flickering footage of the destruction of equipment of Soviet and Russian origin by high-precision weapons and kamikaze drones does not add any chances to domestic weapons on world markets
    A striking example of an owl pulling on a globe. Zooprotective community negodue. And, well, Putin also adjusted the S-400 to Erdogan. It also somehow does not look like discrediting Russian weapons.
    Ankara managed to quarrel with Tehran
    And when, I wonder, did Ankara and Tehran have everything Vas-Vas?
    With Saudi Arabia claiming to be the leader of the entire Islamic world
    The same story as with Tehran - contenders for the role of leader in the Islamic world are rivals by definition.
    I agree with the author on one thing: Rajep, taypevomat, Erdogan is a radish. But this fact has long been known, but what to do with it is completely incomprehensible.
    1. Dmitry Makarov
      Dmitry Makarov 29 October 2020 05: 48
      +4
      when Erdogan bought the S-400 instead of the F-35, they spoke purely with the aim of transferring technology to the United States
      now Erdogan wets Pro-American Armenia, they say he is at war with the CSTO
      but I wonder, has Erdogan ever been to the United States?
      no, well, the fact that he goes to Moscow and Sochi all the time, I know that.
      1. for
        for 29 October 2020 07: 23
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry Makarov
        Pro-American Armenia

        But America is not nearly pro-Armenian. And maybe all that Erdogan does is the tacit consent of the United States, or maybe even worse at her behest. Adolf Erdogan.
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 29 October 2020 05: 48
      10
      So the Russians themselves have a positive attitude towards Turkey, they bring money there for rest, despite the fact that they are poisoned with surrogate alcohol and are treated like Natasha.
      1. Horvat
        Horvat 29 October 2020 06: 25
        -2
        Russian women love black blood while deer dengi's husband earns for her she has fun with enemies
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      2. Scipio
        Scipio 29 October 2020 06: 35
        +8
        I was once in Turkey on vacation and there are some of ours who are resting, so forgive me, my fellow citizens, mostly people who are not distant in terms of intelligence, for whom rest is reduced to animal instincts and booze. The Turks give it to them. I was not pleasantly surprised how our people behave there ...
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 29 October 2020 09: 21
          -3
          I wonder how do you position yourself, in terms of intelligence, while vacationing in Turkey?
          1. Scipio
            Scipio 29 October 2020 09: 33
            +2
            And you seem to be just one of those low-intellectual provocateurs. You don't know how to read, I rested there once, but I don't go there regularly. I went to Turkey only for the sake of the Lycian Trail and Cappadocia.
            1. ALARI
              ALARI 29 October 2020 10: 12
              0
              And you seem to be one of the d'Artagnans, and in life you are frightened by something, provocateurs appear at every corner. They are ready to mix their compatriots with mud, but stand out and be rude to themselves. This is the style of our ilita.
              1. Scipio
                Scipio 29 October 2020 10: 16
                +6
                And you look like the offended in life. At the expense of our compatriots, he wrote what he saw. What am I scared of?) Read your provocative question first. Poor thing)
                1. ALARI
                  ALARI 29 October 2020 10: 34
                  -2
                  So I am writing d'Artagnan, we saw one or two inadequate, and made conclusions about everyone except ourselves. And you don't need to have such a high opinion of yourself, thinking that you can offend someone.
                  1. Scipio
                    Scipio 29 October 2020 10: 42
                    +1
                    1-2? Did you yourself draw such conclusions? Much more, that's why I wrote mostly! You don't need to react like that to my words, you take on yourself a lot, since you think that you decided to spend time on you in order to offend and indicate what you will do to your slippers at home)
                    1. ALARI
                      ALARI 29 October 2020 10: 55
                      -2
                      Firstly, the slippers are not intelligent and not alive (if you did not know, although someone wrote about the intelligence of others), to indicate something to them. And again you contradict yourself, you are wasting your time on me.
                      1. Scipio
                        Scipio 29 October 2020 10: 58
                        +2
                        But you are a great intellectual, since you do not understand the banal irony about slippers. What is the contradiction, yes I answer, but I do not have to offend the goal, if I wanted to, I would immediately do it. Don't worry, I won't hurt you
                      2. ALARI
                        ALARI 29 October 2020 11: 11
                        -3
                        I am not offended, we just have to stand up for our own people (whatever they may be), especially abroad, we have no other of our own.
                      3. Scipio
                        Scipio 29 October 2020 11: 26
                        +1
                        I fully support you in this, but when our people get drunk there and introduce themselves like a pig, it's very sad. If you are going abroad, do not dishonor your people. Alcohol deprives people of dignity and removes all internal restrictions ...
                      4. ALARI
                        ALARI 29 October 2020 11: 41
                        +3
                        I agree it's disgusting. But you need to forgive people for small weaknesses, unless it damages you. Most of them are normal people and rest as best they can. Not everyone can admire nature and architecture. Someone is content with a simple and a little primitive rest.
                      5. Motorist
                        Motorist 29 October 2020 22: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Scipio
                        Alcohol deprives people of dignity and removes all internal restrictions ...

                        Alcohol is non-alcoholic there - you can drink 5 liters of local beer and feel free to drive. It's almost the same with liqueurs. I have not seen anything that you describe ("like a pig", for example). And yes - the man rides relaxrather than fulfill plans and commitments (IMHO). I didn't even take my phone to the beach, so as not to answer at work. hi
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 October 2020 08: 39
    +1
    Quote: Pessimist22
    So the Russians themselves have a positive attitude towards Turkey, they bring money there for rest, despite the fact that they are poisoned with surrogate alcohol and are treated like Natasha.

    It depends on where you rest in Turkey
    In Max Royal, sho in Chimer, sho in Bilek, real alcohol in unlimited quantities, they do not treat you like Natasha. How a milking cow treats you laughing
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 October 2020 06: 16
    +1
    [quote = Far B] [quote] Turkey in the ring of ill-wishers [/ quote] Strange ring, honestly. And where did Russia go? . [/ quote good
    The "ring" really exists only in the imagination of the author. Erdogan holds the streams of Gazprom in his hands and regularly bloody "rude" to Russia. He understands that Gazprom's managers will settle any “misunderstanding” between the “partners”.
    But who, in turn, keeps the Turks for their "Janissaries" is the United States. The maximum that Erdogan allowed himself was to turn off the "light" on Inzhirlik. I could have lost my skin during the putsch.
    Obeying the United States and speculating on Gazprom, Erdogan did not care about all these "rings", even if they were.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 October 2020 06: 43
      +1
      He holds nothing. There is a global crisis and no streams exist. This is the stupidity of his actions. The crisis will end, but it’s hard to put up with it. He is rude to everyone in a row and it is silly and childish to single out us.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 29 October 2020 13: 18
      -2
      What streams does he hold? "Turkish", so in the light of current events, it can be stopped until another president is elected in Turkey))) but Moscow can very much hurt Erdogan and Aliyev if the Armenian "Iskander" flies in the wrong place by mistake. And in place of the gas - oil pipeline there will be a big funnel, in several places.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 29 October 2020 13: 14
    +1
    Especially the Greeks love the Turks and especially recently)))
    1. Far B
      Far B 30 October 2020 00: 31
      -4
      Confused with Georgia, obviously the case, it is also written there that in the north of Turkey, he who has eyes, let him see.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2020 06: 14
    +6
    Let's see how it goes. When relations between Turkey and Russia improved, there were also articles on the topic that NATO had come to an end, that the alliance of the "cardinal and the haberdasher" was a force, etc., etc. However ... Erdogan is not predictable. It's like a joke. Winnie-the-Pooh and Piglet are going to visit, the chants are singing. Suddenly Pooh hits Piglet in the ear. Blame, blame for what! From you pigs, anything can be expected.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 29 October 2020 06: 20
    +7
    Great Sultan Erdogan does everything right ... he is friends when it suits him ... he fights when it suits him ... that you settled on him ... The East is a delicate matter.
    The Sultan, as in the famous film, hides his brutal face under the Gulchatay veil.
    Gulchatay, open your face ... well, open it ... opens it and there is such a mug of Erdogan .... Mom, don't cry.
    In general, brothers, get used to the duplicity of the Great Sultan ... such is his nature.
    1. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 29 October 2020 09: 15
      +1
      Everything is logical. Until he completely squeezes someone's corn, he will do it as profitable for him. Yes, however, everyone lives like that. The Turks themselves seem to like it too.
    2. vlad106
      vlad106 29 October 2020 15: 54
      -1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Great Sultan Erdogan does everything right ... he is friends when it suits him ... he fights when it suits him ... that you settled on him ... The East is a delicate matter.
      The Sultan, as in the famous film, hides his brutal face under the Gulchatay veil.
      Gulchatay, open your face ... well, open it ... opens it and there is such a mug of Erdogan .... Mom, don't cry.
      In general, brothers, get used to the duplicity of the Great Sultan ... such is his nature.


      The most important thing for us is not to succumb to the Armenian provocations and not to get into the village. which they brewed.
      The Armenians really want Russia to drag chestnuts out of the fire for them. They made such a mess with a long-range scope, and even at the request of the American and British special services. Who really need a fire in the south of Russia, plus a massacre where Russia and Turkey will beat each other FOR THE JOY of the Anglo-Saxons. And the Armenians will add kerosene, they are great masters of this. For the fact that the Anglo-Saxons promised to support them in the Karabakh conflict. The Anglo-Saxons have long-standing oil interests there.
      And they promised to help the Armenians like a bone in the creation of a "great Armenia" from sea to sea, as the Catholicos of Armenia bequeathed Vozgen, it seems in 1988.
      And the most interesting thing in the Russian lands of the Krasnodar Territory, Stavropol and Rostov-on-Don.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 29 October 2020 06: 28
    +1
    It is time to award Erdogan with the Order of Merit for the Fatherland of the first degree. The man did so much to form the Anatolian province within the Russian Federation.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 29 October 2020 08: 23
      +2
      Inspired.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0n7LiHkE4
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 29 October 2020 08: 50
        +1
        hi The saying "chicken is not a bird, Turkey is not abroad" comes true ... laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 October 2020 06: 37
    +3
    The odious leader quarreled with everyone around him.
    But apparently he doesn't care about those around him. has really become a star in the political horizon and clearly overestimates his strength. That's when he begins to directly on his own skin (the economic and political state of the country) to experience the attitude of those who are ignored today and sent away, then it will be very interesting to look at his actions. After that, it will be even more interesting to observe Azerbaijan and Aliyev himself, who today crawls in front of the Turk so that he just does not kiss his feet.
  • thinker
    thinker 29 October 2020 06: 58
    +4
    Quote: Dmitry Makarov
    but I wonder, has Erdogan ever been to the United States?

    Last year, and quite successfully.

    https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2019/11/15/tramp-ustupaet-politicheskoe-prostranstvo-erdoganu-49466.html
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 29 October 2020 07: 33
    +3
    The usual oriental cunning, today I will smile favorably, look into the eyes, and tomorrow, at the first opportunity, I will stick a knife in my back.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 October 2020 07: 57
    +4
    In a political game in the Middle East, always characterized by special passions, Israel signed an unprecedented agreement to normalize relations with the United Arab Emirates.

    ABOUT! For the first time in an article on VO such an important event was mentioned. Progress on the face! Although right there and "Attached to Israel, with which almost every Muslim country is at enmity ..."
    Apparently, it's time to announce that new winds are blowing in the Middle East, that a normalization agreement has already been signed with Bahrain.
    Just a few days ago, Sudan and Israel reached an agreement to normalize relations. This is the same Sudan that played a large role in the ongoing war against Israel and was used by terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas as fertile ground for terrorist activities against Israel, known for its three Khartoum "NO": “ there is no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it ... "
    It is quite possible that at least five other Muslim and Arab countries will follow the example of the UAE, Bahrain and Sudan and formalize relations with Israel after the US presidential elections in early November. One of these countries is Saudi Arabia, which also played an important role in the process that led to the normalization of relations with the UAE and Bahrain. It's understandable why Erdogan is so angry about this.

    I have already noted more than once the recklessness of the step of selling such weapons as the S-400 to one of Russia's main competitors in relation to political claims in the Middle East and North Caucasus.
    Official Ankara did not and does not recognize the annexation of the Crimean peninsula by Russia.
    Turkey's position has remained unchanged since the beginning of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia in 2014.
    “We perceive Ukraine as a key country in terms of the security and stability of our region. And within this framework, we have always supported, supported and will continue to support the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea,” Erdogan was quoted as saying by Interfax.


    Erdogan, speaking on Wednesday, October 28, before the parliamentary faction of the ruling Justice and Development Party, said:
    "The Russian attack on the opposition training camp in the Idlib region indicates a lack of desire for sustainable peace and tranquility there."


    He also announced the readiness of the Turkish authorities to conduct a new operation in Syria:
    "Threats from Syria towards our country continue. Recently, terrorists who were preparing terrorist attacks on our territory were neutralized ... If the terrorists do not move away from our borders, we will move on to action," Erdogan said, stating that the Turkish army is capable "cleanse Syria of all terrorist organizations"
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 29 October 2020 08: 02
    +2
    We need to help brother Recep. Make peace with everyone. Give back Karabakh (they will wring it out anyway). Finish everything we build. As a thank you, pick up the straits.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 29 October 2020 08: 26
      +5
      And give Armenia a consolation prize in the form of Mount Ararat.
      What is trifling after the restoration of Constantinople.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 29 October 2020 08: 28
        +2
        Quote: Livonetc
        And give Armenia a consolation prize in the form of Mount Ararat.
        What is trifling after the restoration of Constantinople.


        But they must ask for it. Politely.
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 29 October 2020 08: 02
    17
    discredits Russian weapons. Still, the constantly flickering footage of the destruction of equipment of Soviet and Russian origin by high-precision weapons and kamikaze drones does not add any chances to domestic weapons on world markets

    Weapon "on the defensive" a priori in a losing situation. Especially when the strike comes from someone else's airspace.
  • prior
    prior 29 October 2020 08: 10
    +2
    The USSR also lived for many years in isolation behind the "Iron Curtain" and nothing.
    And how he lived ... he discovered space, mastered the north, count the whole of Africa on subsidies ...
  • Alexey Brylev
    Alexey Brylev 29 October 2020 08: 21
    +1
    In this situation, V.V. very competently and benevolently pats Erdogan on the shoulder, sometimes it is true that he slaps the priest with pinpoint bombs.
    As a result, Erdogan, like an icebreaker, splits the NATO bloc into pieces, at the same time getting into his own loop. The younger brother, Azerbaijan, may soon lose his half-brother. However, there is always an old one nearby. Not a half-blood truth, but will pick up.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 October 2020 08: 27
    0
    Now this is the situation, tomorrow the Yankees will make peace with the Sultan, because he tightly controls the straits, and the same Arabs, upon a call from the State Department, will also change the record. ..
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 October 2020 08: 55
    +5
    Erdogan perfectly understands the attitude of his neighbors, the Turks, during the empire, slaughtered all the conquered peoples to the maximum, and the neighbors on their own territory To dream that after that everyone would voluntarily go under the new sultan is at least naive. Therefore, he is moving to the northeast, on the territory of the former Union and to our republics. This, in his opinion, is a new reserve for the Turan army, those peoples that have never been under the Turks. The childish infantilism of some people from Azerbaijan is surprising, they were told that they are brothers and they are ready to rush into their arms with joy, giving oil, brides and young soldiers for new seizures, while losing an independent state, which they received for the first time in history thanks to the Soviet Union.
    And one more thing: the protest of Erdogan's neighbors against the claims to their territory is not at all surprising, and the complete nihilism of our government in response to the obvious unambiguous encroachments on our lands and the lands of our friends is very surprising.
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 October 2020 09: 22
    -1
    The constantly flashing footage of the destruction of equipment of Soviet and Russian origin with precision weapons and kamikaze drones does not add any chances to domestic weapons on world markets.

    Following this logic, Soviet weapons were intensely discredited throughout the second half of the last century. However, they buy and buy nothing.
    Fortunately for Russian weapons, the decision to buy them is not made by "experts", like some commentators on VO, who are delighted with newfangled drones and similar loitering ammunition, unless they write in their pants, but real experts, without any quotes.
  • ALARI
    ALARI 29 October 2020 09: 28
    +1
    Catching fish in troubled waters. I would sit in silence, I would not receive anything. Oil is at stake in Libya, Syria, and the Mediterranean. As Kipling wrote about the East, whoever asks in silence dies in silence.
  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 29 October 2020 09: 39
    +1
    The contradictions between the enemies of the main Turk are stronger than the dislike for him. The nosy kebab is counting on this - so far it turns out ... And his bayraktars are good in local wars, you can't say anything ...
  • cniza
    cniza 29 October 2020 09: 44
    +2
    In many ways, the disposition in the Middle East depends on which side Moscow will take. Ankara has seriously spoiled the Russian agenda by supporting Baku's aggression in Nagorno-Karabakh and is likely to wait for another act of "soft power" from Moscow.


    This is only the very tip of the iceberg, there is a very large tangle ...
  • depressant
    depressant 29 October 2020 10: 47
    +2
    Turkey in the ring of ill-wishers?
    I am also there in that ring.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 29 October 2020 10: 54
    +1
    the transformation of the Hagia Sophia into a mosque became the affirmation of its own greatness in the Islamic world.
    It was a mosque until its status was changed to a museum.
    Well, I returned the status of the mosque - why did you often go there to pray?

    Now in the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia, you can get free for both believers and tourists, and the fact that earlier they took not a little money for this, "for the entrance to the museum", something did not bother commentators.
    In 1994-1995, when I visited Istanbul, I could not get into the Hagia Sophia, the museum was closed, then the time did not coincide with the work of the museum ...
    Now enter completely free of charge when the Muslim service is not running - I like the current situation more, as a believer.
  • iouris
    iouris 29 October 2020 11: 14
    0
    Britain claims to be the leader in "Tour". "Erdogan and AdoptedKnim" Aliyev is a "proxy": British diplomacy is playing a "long" combination. Hey monarchists! They also have a contender for the Russian throne.
    1. iouris
      iouris 29 October 2020 11: 37
      0
      Sorry, read "Tour" in "Turan". Ochepyatka.
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  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 29 October 2020 12: 51
    0
    Erdogan's adequacy raises strong doubts. To acquire, in the shortest possible time, such a number of enemies and lose all allies - this must be able to))))
  • flicker
    flicker 29 October 2020 13: 44
    +1
    Today's Turkey, led by Erdogan, is a TOOL in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons.
    Neo-Ottomanism is also an Anglo-Saxon PROJECT.
    Any sane person in Turkey understands that neo-Ottomanism in modern conditions (military-political, technological, economic, financial) is a direct path to the death of Turkey, but these sane people in Turkey are not allowed to take a cannon shot.
    But before she dies, she will have time to break a lot of firewood - and it is for this that the Anglo-Saxons awakened in the Turkish provinces a desire for neo-Ottomanism, so that the Turks would fight with their neighbors, destroy, chaotic everything around.
    ---
    The Turks, under the strict guidance of Erdogan (specially selected for this project by the Anglo-Saxons), are doing this.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 October 2020 15: 05
    +2
    Erdogan is really going too far in his ambitions. And it can break.
    But, we must pay tribute, the Turkish army looks modern and professional.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 29 October 2020 16: 02
    +2
    Only the lazy is not talking about the history of Erdogan's constant provocation of the United States. It seems that Ankara's relations with the most important country in the NATO clan can be restored only with a change in the Turkish leadership.
    And here there is a question - the "tension" in relations is too demonstrative. In addition, the US bases in Turkey are still there. Does anyone have doubts that the issue of Erdogan's "departure" can be resolved by the United States radically and quickly by presenting / substituting some Kurds, Syrians, or even "revolutionaries" from the Colombian FARC as executors? However, nothing like that happens, so what? And the fact that this is their "s_u_ki_in san" is 100%, and what we see is nothing more than a demonstration, it remains to understand its goals. By the way, the "coup", which was allegedly warned from the Russian Federation, is more similar to a fake one, the appearance of which Janissary used to destroy his opponents in the army and law enforcement agencies, and in order to make it believable, the ambassador of the Russian Federation was overwhelmed, and this terrorist attack was attributed to the conspirators, as well our Su-24. And the leadership of the Russian Federation "successfully" swallowed all this .... sad
  • Grif
    Grif 29 October 2020 17: 45
    +1
    To begin with, he saved his life. )))
    Erdogan would no longer exist (like Gaddafi) if Putin had not given him the whole alignment of the upcoming putsch in time)))
    In the East, such a "service" is not forgotten ...


    If you want to make an enemy out of a person, save his life
  • Uran53
    Uran53 30 October 2020 00: 01
    0
    So it is and so. But as the English proverb says: "Look for someone who benefits." Turkey is unlikely, because she already stretched her strength like Tuzik a heating pad (in Syria and Libya). As for me, the turmoil in the South Caucasus is beneficial to the Americans in order to increase their influence in the region. The principle of "divide and conquer" the Naglo-Saxons use with might and main. Local princes, both in Georgia and in Armenia, have long been controlled by the Americans, and with Turkey, America has long established an oil production business. But to weaken the influence of Russia is very helpful, with the discrediting of Russian weapons