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How to maximize your retirement minimum

Conspiracy of non-silence



Only the lazy does not speak about the indexation of pensions to working pensioners today. Politicians, with the indispensable Vladimir Volfovich in the forefront, are "being delayed" for the sake of PR. The other day the chairman of the State Duma criticized the head of the Ministry of Finance, and not only for pensions, and even in the Accounts Chamber they decided to remember those who are over ...

And it is not at all necessary over 65, because you want to receive indexed pensions earlier. They are earned by honest labor, and no references to the pandemic can be made here.

A few days ago, a sensation spread around all the media: the head of the financial department, Anton Siluanova, is convinced that "a pension is compensation for lost earnings." Compensation, nothing more. And he also believes with conviction that therefore it would be more correct to raise pensions for those who do not work.

I immediately want to cry and shout: "Where is the justice?" In the classic film "Old Men-Robbers", Yuri Yakovlev's voice said off-screen: "Old people are paid a pension for not working." But that was a joke! But Siluanov says everything quite seriously.

As if people did not earn their own retirement, as if for many years this pension does not go much less than what they earned. If they steal from the pension fund and already, apparently, more than once, this is not a reason to so shamelessly humiliate those who created most of what we have today.

And officials have too. And they have, as you know, quite a few: from such steep ministerial salaries, the legendary People's Commissar of Finance Arseny Zverev, most likely, would have sent himself to be shot.

This is not the first time the Ministry of Finance has opposed the indexation of pensions for working pensioners. By the way, not so long ago, the Ministry of Finance, together with allies from other departments, having even pulled up trade union compromisers, actually pushed through the so-called "freeze" of the funded part of pensions until 2023.

It is believed that these savings are now helping to pay pensions to current retirees. As you know, such a system has been operating since 2014, and by all indications, one should not even count on any "defrosting" in the foreseeable future.

If you understand calmly


But now no one, including the minister himself, refers to the eternal lack of funds. Although now they just may really be missing. The budget is being replenished somehow, the ruble has once again been dropped, but this does not help either.

However, what does it have to do with pensioners and pensions, even for working people? They are recorded in a different budget - all of the same Pension Fund. And for its replenishment in times of crisis, it is not a sin to use state reserves.

But in reality everything is not easy: it is necessary to fundamentally change the laws or those who adopted such laws. It's not just that they are now showing activity in front of the general public. It's time to score pre-election points. And all these are emotions, but it would be worthwhile to sort it out calmly.

We quote the Minister of Finance: "Earnings are lost if a person, receiving a pension, also works, even if he receives a little." Sorry, what is your business, Mr. Minister, does someone who has already earned their pension receive a lot or a little?

You, Mr. Minister, are one of the ideologists of the pension reform, have already managed to hammer into the heads of the younger generation that it is they who are now feeding the older. But the older generation is not at all to blame for the fact that what the older generation earned was completely ineptly profiled, you cannot say otherwise, by different governments of the past thirty years with different finance ministers.

And if the country really did not have money for retirement, it would still be possible to understand and accept something. But this is not so, and this has been proven more than once. And working pensioners really need to erect monuments for the fact that they provide additional surplus receipts to the same Pension Fund.

By the way, according to the same Ministry of Finance, wages have been growing lately, and faster than inflation. And what follows from this? Yes, the fact that faster inflation should grow and contributions to the Pension Fund. And the conclusion, and unambiguously contrary to the minister, here, excuse me, suggests itself.

Combinations with indexing


Not long before the Minister of Finance spoke to the State Duma, the needs of working pensioners had already been discussed there. The fact that they will have to index their pensions sooner or later was recognized not only by Yaroslav Nilov, who heads the State Duma's profile committee on labor, social policy and veterans affairs.

Others also admitted, but they all kept saying: no money! In the mouth of any finance minister, this would sound somehow more expected, you must agree. And then the legislators suddenly find out that in order to finally return to the indexation of pensions for working citizens, 400 billion rubles a year will be required at once.

At current exchange rates, this is either less than 5 billion euros, or slightly more than five, but billion dollars. Not so much, with our reserves. But this is exactly how much now, more precisely, as much as 433 billion rubles, at the beginning of the second wave of COVID-19 was lost due to the fall in VAT revenues to the treasury.

And let us be accused of a penchant for conspiracy theories and stupid adherence to conspiracy theory, but the coincidence in the numbers is already very clear. Taking into account the indexation for inflation.

The Ministry of Finance, like the Duma, has no doubts that now it is necessary to focus on supporting non-working pensioners. For this, of course, thanks to them from such non-working people as one of the authors.

She is a non-working pensioner from the Moscow region, who was not deprived of the right to earn a little extra money (by tutoring or by articles in the press). But they are not deprived only because in the Moscow region there is no so-called Sobyanin additional payment for the fact that pensioners do not take other people's jobs - after all, it is better to save them for guest workers.

But indexing will now definitely be deprived, and both authors will not put their minds to how to deal with this. The second one is also now among the victims: the institute's rate was cut by almost half under the very fair pretext that online education does not require such efforts as full-time.

However, this is the lyrics. Let's go back to non-working pensioners. These citizens, according to the Ministry of Finance, are in dire need of state support. Although this is the duty of the state, called social: to support pensioners, and everyone, like everyone in need, from disabled people to nursing mothers and victims of natural disasters.

So where is the justice?


It is especially difficult to calmly react to the reasoning of Mr. Siluanov about justice. Speaking in the State Duma, the head of the financial department did not hesitate to say the following:

The question here is not even about money, probably, but about some kind of justice, when, receiving both wages and a pension, you say: let's also index the pension.

It turns out that just taking away from people not just the promised, but the honestly earned, according to the official, is fair. It seems that with his maxims, the member of the Cabinet of Ministers pretty much puzzled almost everyone in the State Duma and himself asked for a merciless scolding from the head of the lower house of our parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin.


However, Volodin did not focus on the Finance Ministry's combinations with indexation. Meanwhile, for the speech of one of the Duma deputies from the Communist Party, scheduled after the report of the head of the Ministry of Finance, which never took place, the following text was prepared, which has already got into the electronic media:

The minister, declaring justice, does not take into account the fact that many Russians continue to work after retirement not because they want to live richly. Most would gladly go on a well-deserved rest, if not for the meager size of pension payments.

We agree with this conclusion at all 100, and with the fact that living on 10-12, at best 15 thousand per month, is not just difficult, impossible, if you do not sell something from old stocks or do not earn extra money.

Yes, readers will forgive us for repeating, but working citizens have made contributions to the Pension Fund and are now doing everything that they honestly earn. Most of them never dreamed of the notorious envelope payments.

And at the same time, many, even very many (it is enough to visit the graveyards in the Russian provinces) do not live up to retirement. And there are also quite a few employers who have made and are making additional contributions to employees' pensions.

This, by the way, has always been and, it seems, remains the norm in the well-known state farm near Moscow named after the leader of the world revolution. So, is it really worth it to insist so obsessively, albeit on the Duma rostrum, about some kind of charity? Either from the side of the state, or from the younger generation ...
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  1. Doctor
    Doctor 30 October 2020 10: 05
    12
    With one fund (OMS), everything is clear.
    As soon as it squeezed, the MHIF stopped giving money for covid.

    I had to finance it directly from the budget.

    Now it's the pensioner's turn.
    They do not cease to puzzle over how not to pay pensions.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 October 2020 10: 44
      48
      Quote: Arzt
      With one fund (OMS), everything is clear.
      As soon as it squeezed, the MHIF stopped giving money for covid.

      I had to finance it directly from the budget.

      All these feeder-pads in the form of compulsory medical insurance and PF were created by the authorities themselves to please the affiliated citizens to plunder the funds themselves and, as a result, the budget.
      Pensioners and children are a burden for the current government in the Russian Federation, as has been repeatedly stated by its representatives at various levels.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 30 October 2020 10: 52
        11
        All these feeder-pads in the form of compulsory medical insurance and PF were created by the authorities themselves to please the affiliated citizens to plunder the funds themselves and, as a result, the budget.
        Pensioners and children are a burden for the current government in the Russian Federation, as has been repeatedly stated by its representatives at various levels.

        Sure. Intermediaries, such as buy and sell from the 90s, when a truck with a load on the market without leaving anywhere, was resold several times from hand to hand.

        When the virus went and the MHIFs, fucking with the wealth that had fallen to them, began to squeeze money for covid, doctors began to stupidly quit.
        Kovidny hospitals began to fund directly directly.

        But there is no question of a return to the Soviet system.
        Golikova honestly said: this will lead to a global redistribution of income.
        It is clear whose income.
        It will also violate the Constitution.laughing

        “On the other hand, it is impossible to raise all medicine to the federal level, making it budget-funded, because this will lead to a global redistribution of income. , we will get a negative, not a positive effect, "Golikova added.
        She stressed that another important argument in favor of health insurance can be called the fact that it is subject to the basic law on the basics of social insurance.
        "As soon as the Constitution has confirmed the basic foundations, it is probably necessary to abandon the reasoning about budget medicine," the Deputy Prime Minister concluded.


        https://ria.ru/20201022/meditsina-1580977324.html

        https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/10/2020/5f915a949a7947b23a05db22
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 30 October 2020 11: 11
          47
          Quote: Arzt
          Intermediaries, such as buy and sell from the 90s, when a truck with a load on the market without leaving anywhere, was resold several times from hand to hand.

          The whole vileness of the situation lies in the fact that the 90s did not go anywhere, they just threw on them a new fine-looking popular dress of kokoshniks interspersed with Armani, chants to the music of the USSR anthem and pseudo-patriotism.
          Madame Godikova (Arbidol) Khristenko's wife, and everyone knows who this ghoul is!)
          Take off your tele-zombie husk and you will see the 90s in its original form.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 31
            +8
            Colleague hi ,
            our survival even to a beggarly pension is not included in the plans of temporary workers.
        2. tank64rus
          tank64rus 1 November 2020 19: 32
          0
          And the people can now die in peace, there is no medicine and will not be. And the point.
          1. zenion
            zenion 2 November 2020 18: 51
            +1
            Many do not understand why there is work for guest workers, but no work for Russian citizens. The conclusion is this: from the strangers, you can create detachments for the execution of your own, while the robbers will be washed off the cordon, if they cannot fight back. And the people of the country will not defend them and will remember them. Aliens for the authorities are the same Swiss guard that protected those sitting above from the people who were robbed by the top.
            1. your1970
              your1970 6 November 2020 12: 47
              0
              Quote: zenion
              Many do not understand why there is work for guest workers, but no work for Russian citizens.
              - yes, they left the country almost completely clean - it became unprofitable to work here after the jumps in the dollar exchange rate ... in the spring, in general, camps were built on the border - when Kazakhstan did not allow transit ...

              And those that you see are of the non-Russian type - these are our native citizens, the Kazakhs, Buryats, Kalmyks, who have lived all their lives here, and further, further, further
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 30 October 2020 10: 56
        23
        Quote: Stroporez
        Pensioners and children are a burden for the current government in the Russian Federation, as has been repeatedly stated by its representatives at various levels.

        And it's amazing ... there are those who support this whole orgy ..
        1. And Makarov
          And Makarov 30 October 2020 11: 53
          29
          Quote: Svarog
          And it's amazing ... there are those who support this whole orgy

          If you are talking about the electorate, then not just there are, but there are a lot of them.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 30 October 2020 12: 12
            11
            Quote: A Makarov
            Quote: Svarog
            And it's amazing ... there are those who support this whole orgy

            If you are talking about the electorate, then not just there are, but there are a lot of them.

            As a matter of fact, everyone who does not go to vote and on election day "proudly" polishes kitchen stools with their fifth point, citing the fact that "it will not change anyway", they all indirectly support these Siluanovs, Grefs, Nabiullins and other Chubais with numerous Caudle from United Russia. With a high degree of probability, during the Duma elections in 2021, this category of "dissatisfied" will also sit out in their kitchens, dachas and other holes, and thereby provide a Duma majority for the "beloved" party United Russia, and, accordingly, will preserve these unsinkable "under-economists and self-financiers."
            1. Daniil Konovalenko
              Daniil Konovalenko 30 October 2020 12: 48
              14
              For 30 years I have been participating in elections, for everything. Nothing changes.. smile By and large, there is no one to vote for ... I vote for the "poor", those who will not pass .. At the expense of United Russia. ER - this is Putin, Putin is the United Russia, voting for Putin, votes for the United Russia. The tsar is good, the boyars are bad, the general opinion of the majority. smile
              all of them indirectly support these Siluanovs, Grefs, Nabiullins and other Chubais
              .... These are the people of the president, with many he started, or rather, the president-man, these people ... They will leave or only with them or without him ..
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 30 October 2020 16: 14
                +4
                Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                For 30 years I have been participating in elections, for everything. Nothing changes.

                And I walk. But the point is that the total number of citizens who took part in the elections is decreasing from year to year, which creates "greenhouse conditions" for Edra. the growth of protest sentiments in society is not recorded, and if so, it means that it is possible to further cut the social sector and raise prices, tariffs, taxes, etc., since this society is ready to continue to limit itself to "pre-election handouts" in the form of children's or sports grounds, which, again, are built due to the fact that they gnawed off from the social sector. Those who walk and vote stably against, Edro sifts through a "multi-party" sieve, as a rule, creating and registering several "one-day" parties for the elections, which distract a part of the active electorate and reduce the results of the main competitors (KPRF, SR, LDPR). Until the people go to the polls and start voting against the party serving the interests of capital, that is, Edra, nothing will change.
                1. Daniil Konovalenko
                  Daniil Konovalenko 30 October 2020 16: 19
                  +8
                  The main feature is that those votes of those parties that did not pass 5% are distributed, according to the law, between proportionally, between the parties that passed 5%. You vote for the "poor", and your vote goes in favor of the winners. I do not vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation , not for the SR, with the Liberal Democratic Party ... since these are pocket parties of the United Russia ... They all were together not long ago in the CPSU .. smile
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 30 October 2020 16: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                    I do not vote either for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, or for the SR, with the Liberal Democratic Party ... since these are pocket parties of the United Russia Party ... They were all together not long ago in the CPSU ..

                    Here is Yoshkin's cat. belay Well, what would you advise, vote for Edro, or just for Republicans and Democrats?
                    1. Daniil Konovalenko
                      Daniil Konovalenko 30 October 2020 16: 25
                      0
                      Strap-cutter, below in the comment, is well written .. smile
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 33
                        +5
                        Daniel hi
                        And you work
                        And you whisper.
                        Brown grandmother,
                        You - / Rospotrebnadzor /.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 30 October 2020 13: 33
              41
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              As a matter of fact, everyone who does not go to vote and on election day "proudly" polishes kitchen stools with their fifth point, motivating this by the fact that "it will not change anyway",

              Colleague, are you talking about elections on stumps now?
              I can easily dispel all your electoral illusions, starting with the nomination of candidates and ending with voting, counting and other garbage for the plebs, such as an announcement at 21 Moscow time on a duroscope "we won" when polling stations are still open in the Kaliningrad region.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 30 October 2020 14: 20
                11
                And the class struggle, comrade, does not mean elections. This is completely different. This is exactly what is in the quote from Lenin quoted by Comrade Stroporez. Where do you see no connection in what Daniel wrote. By elections, without a choice, because they no longer even consider it as necessary, but simply declare the desired result to the bourgeoisie, which has taken power by force to remove it from power. Yes, and with the oppressed prolitariat today in the Russian Federation is not very good. Production was destroyed, mainly
                The working class has been liquidated, a tribe of greedy, unscrupulous managers outnumber it.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 37
                  +8
                  Alexander hi ,
                  "Tatupedas" are already testing the ground for the introduction of pensions by rank. Following - estates and serfdom. All this LJ for a reason.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 2 November 2020 23: 27
                    +1
                    I agree with the first Alexey hi
                    But with serfdom and estates, in an age of over-developed information technologies, it probably won't work. In a classic form. Eliminations of this already exist in our life. Without the opportunity to send the backbone "employer" and go to a new place, with a similar salary. man becomes a serf. It will be more difficult for them with estates. They raised the greedy and unprincipled, in 27 years so much that they would not allow them to isolate themselves into counts and princes. Like democracy, for these wolf cubs, handy.
            3. Karabin
              Karabin 30 October 2020 20: 15
              +9
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              As a matter of fact, everyone who does not go to vote and on election day "proudly" polishes kitchen stools with their fifth point, motivating this by the fact that "it will not change anyway",

              Dmitry, do you believe that the estate can be removed from power through elections? Now, if you give at least one example, always with your fifth point to the urn.
              By the way, at the last resetting, the editorship of our budget office demanded to go to the sites and be sure to report on visiting them. Why so much concern about the turnout?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 30 October 2020 21: 58
                +4
                Quote: Karabin
                Dmitry, do you believe that the estate can be removed from power through elections? Now, if you give at least one example, always with your fifth point to the urn.

                You know, Yuri, you probably still have to tear off your butt and, as you promised, rush to the trash can, for the reason that I will give you the "role model you requested" without suffering too much with the search. There is a country called Bolivia. It will be far from us, but anyway, the presence of Americans in this country was much stronger than ours. This is in the sense that they, just like in Ukraine, established the regime there, which, as they thought, would provide them with long-term protection of US interests, i.e. full controllability from Washington, but literally "the other day" they suffered a complete defeat not as a result of the revolution, but as a result of the ELECTIONS. As a result, the junta asked the United States for something about 350 visas in order to ensure the evacuation of the most loyal mattress dogs, but only a few will have time to escape. Evo Morales returns to Bolivia. Something like this yes
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 40
                +3
                Jury hi ,
                in the opinion of the rat-jackals, rams should cut themselves off and self-heal ...
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 30 October 2020 14: 31
          13
          Oholon the trosh, citizens. Refusal to index pensions would mean that the Constitution is not worth the paper on which it is written. Siluanov's excuses about the federal law are ridiculous, and he sees it no worse than you and me. I think that in this scenario, Siluanov is an EP member, who takes blank fire on himself. EP will once again tell how she cares about people, other gentlemen will support, pensions for working old people will be indexed (most likely truncated and not returning what they received less), EdRo will raise the hanging rating, Siluanov will receive some order, people will fix noodles on their ears , and everything will calm down: the wolves are full, and they gave a handout to the pensioners. Perhaps he will intervene himself - and even the intervention itself is most likely provided for by the script of the performance.
      3. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2020 11: 51
        10
        But Anton (I would like to insert a rhyme instead of his name) Siluanov did not say anything new. These are all the same EdRosovskie: no money, but you hold on, fat, macaroshki, we did not ask you to give birth, etc. The State Department presses Russia on all fronts, organized or planned Maidans for all its neighbors, rallies in Khabarovsk and Bashkiria, the notorious Kovid squeezed all the juices (fat) out of the people, and the Minister of Finance discusses how to rip off old people when the entire Duma is promoting to pensioners stolen. Instead of putting out the fire of injustice and rallying the people in the face of an external enemy, EdRo continues to strike matches, sitting on a powder keg.
        GDP said that these "professionals" receive multimillion-dollar salaries, because otherwise they would quit and go to the private sector. Then piss off. Yes, they need to drive a filthy broom.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 30 October 2020 12: 58
          12
          Quote: Bearded
          And Anton (I would like to insert a rhyme instead of his name) Siluanov did not say anything new.

          - In Japan, old people used to be taken to the mountain, and there they were left to die ...
          - Mr. Siluanov, do you have any other proposals for retirement benefits?
          1. mole
            mole 31 October 2020 09: 09
            +4
            Quote: Hyperion

            - In Japan, old people used to be taken to the mountain, and there they were left to die ...
            - Mr. Siluanov, do you have any other proposals for retirement benefits?

            - Yes, there is an answer. The Eskimos used to leave old people on the ice.
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 1 November 2020 18: 50
            +2
            So in those terms, and Pu, and Siluminov, and Naibu ... for a long time should leave at dawn.
            And there are not enough decorations on the pillars !!!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 30 October 2020 10: 54
      14
      Quote: Arzt
      They do not cease to puzzle over how not to pay pensions.

      They do not rack their brains, they act ... If you look at those who will live up to this pension, it turns out that they practically do not pay it. Although people honestly earned it .. Kidalovo .. and nothing good can be expected from "effective" managers .. These are the realities of capitalism, and in our case, capitalism manifests itself without a mask .. in all its "glory"
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 42
        +3
        Putinism has outdone all the bourgeoisie with pension "... points".
    3. Civil
      Civil 30 October 2020 11: 26
      +9
      1. Given the fall of the ruble, even existing pensions will turn into nothing.
      2. The confrontation between the government and the people, the government will win, it has money, power and tanks.
      3. We must gradually forget about pensions.
      4. It is not clear how the Cold War will end 2.
      5. Who will intercede for the Russian people, ripped off from all sides?
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 30 October 2020 11: 34
        +2
        1. Given the fall of the ruble, even existing pensions will turn into nothing.

        Yes. If Biden, wooden immediately for 100.
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 30 October 2020 13: 02
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        Taking into account the fall of the ruble, even existing pensions will turn into nothing.

        What are pensions there ... They already write in the news that food for the New Year will rise in price by 20-25%. Did any of the members of the forum have a salary rise that much? Doubtful ...
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 30 October 2020 15: 27
          +3
          I didn't have it at all. And will the job be at a not very correct age for an employer (read a huckster or a bureaucrat)? Putin spooked them with Article 145 of the Criminal Code. So, what would you be grandpa. I would go, the current is penziyu- then still wait and wait. And by that time, apparently, will be canceled altogether.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 30 October 2020 18: 59
            +6
            Hmm ... You tell sad things ... Our doors are open to crowds of Gaster, and jobs are filled up, but our own people are not needed ...
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 43
              +9
              We are not ours for a long time. hi
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 31 October 2020 11: 17
                +2
                And that’s right ... sad
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 2 November 2020 09: 42
                  +2
                  I do not want to fall into conspiracy, but a stable idea is being created that these actions, by the current bourgeois power of Russia, have a purposeful desire to minimize the number of people who lived in a really, socially just society of the USSR. So as not to confuse the reformatted minds of young people with stories of how this society should look like. Chubais' privatization of the 90s claimed 30 million lives. The second stage has begun. Finish off. But why be surprised? The jungle of capitalism. And the wildest.
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 2 November 2020 11: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Essex62
                    I don't want to fall into conspiracy

                    So after all, there is no conspiracy theories. There is, as you yourself noted:
                    Quote: Essex62
                    The jungle of capitalism.

                    The bourgeois do not care whether they are old or young. The main thing is to grab more.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 30 October 2020 10: 11
    +6
    You can't pull off parasites from this feeder!
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 30 October 2020 10: 31
      +7
      You can't pull off parasites from this feeder!

      Little of.
      They want to unite the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, the MHIF and the FSS into one superfund and withdraw them from state administration.

      On Thursday, there was a comment by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, who called the change in the legal status of the funds controlling the entire social sphere “ideologically new stories” ...

      Why? Because even before the appointment to the post of social deputy prime minister, Tatyana Golikova spoke since January 2018 and is still talking about the merger of the PFR, the MHIF and the FSS into a unified state social fund, which “must represent a unique management structure, which is not in state, but in public ownership”....

      One gets the feeling that social vice-premier Tatyana Golikova is planning the merger of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, the MHIF and the FSS, in order to get on this huge bag of taxpayers' money, supposed to be used for our universal life and health insurance ...


      https://www.gosrf.ru/news/40837/
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 30 October 2020 10: 49
        40
        Quote: Arzt
        Tatyana Golikova has been talking since January 2018 and is still talking about the merger of the PFR, the MHIF and the FSS into a single state social fund, which “should represent a unique management structure that is not in state, but in public ownership” ....

        All this is a scam for the plebs, "I twist, twirl, I want to confuse everyone"!
        The thieves' rules of the game are created by a kind of formation, which many mistakenly call the state. Everything else is a particular of a single whole.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 October 2020 10: 54
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Stroporez
          Everything else is the particulars of a single whole.

          There is no whole there.

          "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."

          At present, a consensus has been reached between the clan-corporate groupings, the violation of which could have unintended consequences for the country.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 30 October 2020 10: 45
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Alien From
      You can't pull off parasites from this feeder!

      What happens if we don't fill THIS feeder? What will happen if instead of relying on the state, in old age we rely on our children and the more of them, the sweeter it will be for us and it will be easier for them?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 30 October 2020 10: 59
        12
        Quote: Boris55
        What will happen if instead of relying on the state, in old age we will rely on our children and the more of them, the sweeter it will be for us and it will be easier for them?

        Are you ready to give birth to children when the middle class gets 17, but housing and utilities costs 000? At the same time, medicine is paid, in the university you also need to pay .. It is clear that those who still lived in the USSR while giving birth .. but today's generation will definitely not do this .. So there will be no Russia ..
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 October 2020 11: 03
          -14 qualifying.
          Quote: Svarog
          Are you ready to give birth to children when the middle class gets 17, but housing and utilities costs 000?

          If utilities exceeds 20% of the total income prescribed, then everything that is higher will compensate for social security.

          Quote: Svarog
          At the same time, medicine is paid, in the university you also need to pay.

          Pay 5 kopecks. for shoe covers?
          The grandson entered the university and studies for free, but if someone is missing something in his head, then let him report on paper.

          Quote: Svarog
          but today's generation will definitely not do that.

          My daughter gave birth to 3 boys and one granddaughter.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 30 October 2020 11: 13
            13
            Quote: Boris55
            If utilities exceeds 20% of the total income prescribed, then everything that is higher will compensate for social security.

            Even so .. 17 of them 000 are only housing and communal services, 3 remain .. Further, medicines, clothing, travel and what remains for food? It’s surprising that you don’t admit that we are surrounded by beggars .. And naturally, no one wants to breed poverty, which means that we will continue to die out ..
            Pay 5 kopecks. for shoe covers?

            Even Putin admitted that in medicine we have a complete well .. and you are resisting ... What 5 kopecks? You try to treat your teeth for free .. a queue for half a year .., or get to a narrow specialist .. a queue of three months, and during this time you can roll up fins .. we have paid medicine for a long time.
            My daughter gave birth to 3 boys and one granddaughter.

            And I have one grandson and my eldest daughter no longer plans to give birth .. until the mortgage is paid .. to pay another 20 years .. and there is already age ..
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 46
              +2
              They decided to push "Pharaoh" into the pyramid to the maximum ...
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 09: 15
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            The grandson entered the university and studies for free

            "Without" or "demon"? Your school, I suppose?
            You are so primitive in explaining the fundamentals of the social program of the United Russia party that you are astonished that you managed to read it in some source (https://er.ru/party/program/), understand the points and now you explain to us that this "** vno" is a panacea for troubles.
            Free education is not at all the same as "free". You can crush your brain with two or three higher educations, develop real and effective measures to improve something and ... forever remain on the sidelines of life. Do you know why? Yes, because the materialization of your plans and ideas will not bring profit to specific individuals.
            You can fight in front of us, portraying a fighter for the happiness of humanity (for the equal rights of everyone, in reaching some heights), but something does not give us the right to believe in your promises: either "free" training of your grandson, or successful defense interests of specific social groups, or open protection of the degradation of life in the country, when no one bears any responsibility for known flaws, and “crimped” officials and other figures appear. in new positions, emerging from the darkness of nothingness, like devils from a snuffbox.
            The fact that a certain Mr. Kiriyenko, as a result of his activities, has earned the title of Hero of Russia (for what merits ???) and became a certain official in the administration of the current president tells me that he once made the right choice by presenting the public with a new head FSB:
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 1 November 2020 09: 17
              -2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              "Without" or "demon"? Your school, I suppose?

              "Language - a language culture from oral and written speech - is not only a means of expressing thoughts, but also one of the means of forming a culture of feelings and thinking of new generations entering life. Language culture penetrates not only the level of consciousness of the psyche, but also into unconscious levels psyche, the nature of the processes on which is basically genetically programmed, including the genetic predisposition of a person to one or another language as his mother tongue.

              The interconnections of the linguistic culture of the level of consciousness and the unconscious levels of the psyche, including the interconnections with human genetics, mean that far from all the same:

              do we write "unconscious",
              or "unconscious", replacing the "z" in the prefix "without" by "s" before the voiceless consonant of the essentially compound root "so + znan", as required by the currently accepted spelling of the Russian language,

              - because as a result of stunning "z" in the slurred lisp oral speech of our time, the prefix "without" with such a letter loses its inherent semantic load and becomes simply not defined in meaning "consonance", the meaning of which is due to the context in which "consonance" appears ...

              The same applies to other cases of replacing voiced consonants with deaf ones when forming words from meaningful morphemes and spellings like “prehistory”, “play along” instead of “prehistory” and “play along”; exemptions from the alphabet of the letters “i” (decimal and), ѣ (yat); the need to resume the use of the letter "ё" and much more. This kind of seemingly expedient and useful spelling simplification to the need of bringing it into harmony with the practice of oral speech:

              one of their aspects is the encouragement of bad diction - lisp and slurred speech, which prevents people from being understood and understanding other people;
              and in another aspect, they create additional difficulties in coordinating the work of the left and right hemispheres of the brain when reading a text with consideration, i.e. with such reading, when the flow of words in writing (as well as in spoken speech) is associated with certain images in the process of forming personal imagery based on spoken or written communication.

              Those. life requires a rejection of the phonetically indistinct - lisp - currently acting meaningless "spelling" and the revival of the meaning-expressing spelling of the Russian language, a rethinking of its morphology and the development of a grammar corresponding to the meaning of speech, i.e. - life requires the improvement of language as a means of expressing thoughts and mastering information transmitted by language means; and also as a means of non-mechanical - "magical" influence on the course of events. It is unacceptable to allow living Russian to be made into "light pidgin English", in which Russian journalism today writes and speaks. "
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 09: 25
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Those. life requires a rejection of phonetically indistinct - lisp

                I still cannot understand what a true "goose" is hindered by calling "an aquatic vertebrate animal, breathing with gills, with limbs in the form of fins, with cold blood and with skin, usually covered with scales", - RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFISH a treatise on the spelling of the prefixes "without" and "devil", if the essence of your statements, not confirmed by life and contrary to common sense, is not interesting?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 1 November 2020 10: 28
                  -3
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  the essence of your statements, not confirmed by life and contrary to common sense, is not interesting?

                  You can continue to lisp, I do not mind - this is your right, but my right to speak as my ancestors said.

                  By the way, if you have time, watch a video excerpt from one of the South Korean TV series "Deep Rooted Tree" about the importance of knowledge in society and its impact on ordinary citizens. Thanks to what the elite manages society and how it resists the evolutionary development of society for the sake of preserving its status, its privileges:

                  https://youtu.be/ODqO_UulkUw
                  (there were 4 videos in total, but three YouTube banned, there was only one)

                  Cyril and Methodius did a great job by remaking the figurative alphabet, which is difficult for commoners to study due to lack of time, into the sound one. They allowed common people to touch the heritage of their ancestors recorded in the annals and scriptures.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 30 October 2020 10: 59
        39
        Quote: Boris55
        What happens if we don't fill THIS feeder? What will happen if instead of relying on the state, in old age we rely on our children and the more of them, the sweeter it will be for us and it will be easier for them?

        A simple question for you Boris, why do we need such a state that does not bear social obligations?
        Are you writing about this or is something reformatted in your head? laughing
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 October 2020 11: 06
          -17 qualifying.
          Quote: Stroporez
          A simple question for you Boris, why do we need such a state that does not bear social obligations?

          At the end of that century, the state definitely did not bear any obligations ... Now the Duma is approving the country's Plan (budget) for the next year. The social orientation is quite visible.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 30 October 2020 11: 17
            38
            Quote: Boris55
            At the end of that century, the state definitely did not bear any obligations ... Now the Duma is approving the country's Plan (budget) for the next year. The social orientation is quite visible.

            Boris, write your address and I will send you a microscope so that together with it you will find the social orientation of the future budget,
            and if you find it I will send you a chocolate "Alyonka".
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 30 October 2020 11: 30
              -13 qualifying.
              Quote: Stroporez
              if you find I will send you a chocolate "Alyonka".

              Do we have that next year they cancel the payment of pensions, benefits, scholarships, cancel maternity capital, cancel all benefits, etc.?

              I'm waiting for a chocolate bar. laughing
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 30 October 2020 11: 42
                10
                Do we have that next year they cancel the payment of pensions, benefits, scholarships, cancel maternity capital, cancel all benefits, etc.?

                I'm waiting for a chocolate bar.

                Oh Boris! laughing

                I'll run to stock up on Alenki ...
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 30 October 2020 12: 25
                33
                Quote: Boris55
                Do we have that next year they cancel the payment of pensions, benefits, scholarships, cancel maternity capital, cancel all benefits, etc.?

                This is called sequestration, Boris))))
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 50
                  +4
                  "Thimbles" are always a "one wicket" game.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 30 October 2020 11: 07
          13
          A simple question for you Boris, why do we need such a state that does not bear social obligations?

          + 100500!
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 52
            +2
            "Every state has its own mafia, but not every mafia has its own state." (FROM)
      3. Doctor
        Doctor 30 October 2020 11: 05
        10
        What happens if we don't fill THIS feeder?

        The internal economy of any state is a transfusion from empty to empty.
        It’s like handing over pocket money within one family or a bunch of students chasing each other’s small change all night long.
        To fill, we also need to take from somewhere.

        You can get rich only at the expense of others, at the expense of foreign trade.
        China rose to the United States, pumped out a trillion from there, every 7-8 years.
        Trump is thinking, so he began to cover the feeder, leveling the balance.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 October 2020 11: 09
          -7
          Quote: Arzt
          You can get rich only at the expense of others, at the expense of foreign trade.

          Money is the equivalent of a product. The more we we produce a product, the more we we can print money (as under capitalism) or lower prices (as under Stalin). In the first case, the capitalists become richer, in the second - the people.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 30 October 2020 11: 20
            10
            Money is the equivalent of a product. The more we produce a product, the more we can print money (as under capitalism) or lower prices (as under Stalin). In the first case, the capitalists become richer, in the second - the people.

            Everything is correct. But just printing money, like a product, is pointless.
            The product must be SOLD.
            That is, for prosperity, you need production (or oil and gas) and a sales market.

            Our elite are accustomed to living on a grand scale during the oil highs.
            However, technologies make it possible to squeeze profitable oil out of shale at 35-40 per barrel.
            Therefore, wet dreams of 80 can be left. And they are used to eating, as before.
            They begin to milk their own people.
            In short, we are following the path of African non-states.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 30 October 2020 10: 56
      +9
      Quote: Alien From
      You can't pull off parasites from this feeder!

      Only at gunpoint and handcuffed ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 55
        +4
        Rope + soap works too.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 30 October 2020 10: 17
    -5
    and, it seems, remains the norm in the well-known state farm near Moscow named after the leader of the world revolution.
    Does it "seem" like that or not?
  4. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 30 October 2020 10: 24
    18
    However, Volodin did not focus on the Finance Ministry's combinations with indexation.
    Mr. Volodin focuses his attention, usually on Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. So the pensions are small, but there is Putin, rejoice. Here in Europe pensions are big, but they don't have Putin! So our pensioners have a much better position, according to Volodin's usual logic. That's the whole point of Volodin's speeches! So it’s not surprising that he didn’t bicker with the Finance Ministry.
    This, by the way, has always been and, it seems, remains the norm in the well-known state farm near Moscow named after the leader of the world revolution
    Well, judging by the way they strangle him from all sides, soon this example will not be relevant, because there will be no state farm!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 31 October 2020 03: 58
      +5
      Michael hi .
      "The cuckoo praises the rooster for praising the cuckoo." (FROM)
  5. igorra
    igorra 30 October 2020 10: 25
    11
    With such a minister and enemies are not necessary. Either reduce the army, or count the retirees' teeth ...
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 30 October 2020 10: 27
    10
    if not for the meager amount of pension payments

    "a pension is compensation for lost earnings."

    Not bad ! 1. The pension is not indexed - you get your salary!
    2. The salary is not raised - you get your pension! And nobody needs you!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 01
      +3
      Vladimir hi.
      "Sami-sami". (C) RV
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 31 October 2020 09: 44
        +2
        Alexey hi That is why I have been on duty for over 50 years!
  7. Artashes
    Artashes 30 October 2020 10: 35
    +7
    All these "analytical reports" have no meaning for the authorities. Because the so-called "opposition" opposes the authorities only for appearance. And "society" - you know, is inert-amorphous-cowardly by tradition.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 October 2020 16: 59
      +8
      but the Belarusians are not cowardly turned out to be unlike us. But by the way, Khabarovsk is a Russian people, which means that among us there are also Russians who are not cowardly and decent, that's just not enough.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 02
        +3
        "Deadfall" is inevitable. hi
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 October 2020 10: 35
    16
    The country is called Federal Russia and we live under capitalism. It was in the Socialist Union that pensions were paid totalitarianly. But we defeated totalitarianism at the end of the 80s of the last century. And now democracy is about right and freedom. Ministers are free not to pay pensions. Now they are going to pay pensions by rank.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 October 2020 10: 56
      37
      Quote: Gardamir
      The country is called Federal Russia and we live under capitalism

      Greetings, Kamrad! I am ready to argue with you about capitalism in the Russian Federation. This system is difficult to describe with a single concept, although from the point of view of criminology, all the signs of an organized crime are evident.
      1. ANB
        ANB 30 October 2020 12: 00
        +6
        ... although from the point of view of criminology, there are signs of an organized crime

        And in what country are they not? So it is true that Gardamir wrote everything. What they wanted in Moscow at 91, so the country lives on.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 October 2020 15: 25
        +3
        all signs
        And hello to you! Look at these signs
        https://0lga-marple.livejournal.com/1509835.html
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 05
          +3
          Colleague hi,
          Thank you for the video! This is dementia. Everything began with a complex about growth.
  9. alekc75
    alekc75 30 October 2020 10: 43
    +1
    until they start shooting there will be no order!
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 30 October 2020 10: 59
      26
      Who will shoot? Themselves? So Putin clearly said “we are not in 37th year,” so no executions are expected. To shoot them, you need a new Joseph Vissarionovich, together with Lavrenty Palych, but where can we get them in modern realities.

      By the way, today all liberalism celebrates "the day of remembrance of the victims of political repression", and if you take a sober look at things, then all (well, almost all) of these "victims" are thieves, plunderers, saboteurs and other filthy things. But now all this filth is entrenched in power and will itself shoot anyone who encroaches on this very power.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 30 October 2020 11: 29
        33
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        To shoot them, you need a new Joseph Vissarionovich, together with Lavrenty Palych, but where can we get them in modern realities.

        I am ready to offer my modest services and recommend several worthy people for vacant positions.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 11
          +4
          The choice is limited. Nowhere to retreat. I won't miss.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 October 2020 11: 30
      34
      Quote: alekc75
      until they start shooting there will be no order!

      Do you think the government is a suicide club? belay
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 14
        +3
        They need help.
  10. Van 16
    Van 16 30 October 2020 10: 50
    +8
    Accountants in power.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 30 October 2020 10: 59
      10
      Quote: Van 16
      Accountants in power.

      Reindeer herders ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 20
        +7
        Ordinary scammers.
  11. prior
    prior 30 October 2020 10: 50
    +9
    Financial fascism from the finance minister - that's what it's called.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 30 October 2020 11: 00
      +8
      Quote: prior
      Financial fascism from the finance minister - that's what it's called.

      Wild capitalism ..
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 30 October 2020 11: 07
        14
        Wild feudal clan.
        But soon November 7, what a good country it was ..
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 24
          +5
          Ivan hi
          That country did not sink into the past, but went forward. We just lagged behind her. It's time to catch up!
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 31 October 2020 06: 19
            +3
            Oh .. judging by what is happening, not that we are not catching up, rather we are going in the opposite direction ..
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 31 October 2020 06: 23
              +4
              Worse. They fell into the pit. Closing our eyes, we fall.
  12. Maks1995
    Maks1995 30 October 2020 10: 56
    +3
    And what to write something. And so everything is clear. The state is testing the ground for what else can be snatched from the population.
    And pensioners. They will look at the reaction, get used to thinking, and will rob in small steps ...

    And still nothing can be done. There are no poor people in power and in the PZhV.
  13. Esaul
    Esaul 30 October 2020 11: 04
    +6
    Siluanov cannot decide this, he only fulfills orders from above. And from above they are already deciding how much money to steal or distribute within their gang - between Gazprom, their banks, oil companies, etc. If not enough, then the collapse of the ruble begins, tax increases, the abolition of indexation (which is already contrary to the new constitution), etc.
  14. Per se.
    Per se. 30 October 2020 11: 16
    15
    Others also admitted, but they all kept saying: no money!
    Yes, yes, there is no money, but you hold on! Where is the money, Zin? Billions are flowing out of the Russian economy, but they want to plug these torpedo gaps with regular extortions and new "optimizations" with reductions.

    Gentlemen officials need to start with themselves, at least with large personal donations to sick children, money for operations for which has long been collected on TV channels. By the way, why does our government not pay for expensive operations, even if abroad, except for the pension fund, have we also had medical policies for a long time?

    As the saying goes, that you shake with buckets, you won't scrape with thimbles. Maybe it's time to fundamentally change the law on the Central Bank, why in all normal countries the Central Bank is the support of the economy and the government, and here, the Central Bank, in fact, as the church is separated from the state, our Central Bank cannot lend to our government ... Our government is not is responsible for the obligations of the bank, and the bank for the obligations of the state. At the same time, our Central Bank is dependent on the IMF, and our Elvira Nabiullina is not only the head of the Central Bank, but also the deputy governor from the IMF, which is controlled by the Americans. It turns out that the Central Bank controls the foreign exchange reserves under the control of the US Federal Reserve. Our Central Bank buys US securities, currency and gold, but for the Russian economy all this is a dead weight, but it works for the economy of the United States and transnational companies.

    The impression is that the West is not opposing our army, not our henpecked capitalist government, but the great Soviet legacy, which is destroyed in the first place. It also includes our pensioners, who are not "victims of the Unified State Exam", received an excellent education in the USSR and have extensive experience. In many ways, our military-industrial complex is still holding on to them. Perhaps this whole pandemic, in many ways the monstrous "65+" action, giving a rapid colonial "zeroing" of the former greatness from the Soviet superpower.
    1. depressant
      depressant 31 October 2020 03: 36
      +5
      Excellent and accurate commentary.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 04: 28
        +5
        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna love,
        no, we are not broken, and our Army is growing.
        1. depressant
          depressant 31 October 2020 10: 31
          +3
          Greetings! love
          You know, I am very worried that information about pensions, acquiring various forms, with enviable regularity, almost monthly, or even more often, is thrown onto the news feeds of the media.
          And now the public concern about this is gaining priority. A persistent habit arises, forgetting about other requirements, then increasing, then weakening the decibels, shouting: "Give us a fish !!! You scoundrels, where did you put our fish?!? Give it back !!"
          Against the background of a powerful chorus of voices, separate "He-heh, and my grandchildren will support me in old age - decrepit and sick!"
          And some voices shouting "Fishing rod! Give us a fishing rod !!" already look like a manifestation of indecency ...

          Yes, there will be pensions if society earns capital on them. But even with our rate of extinction, the rate of growth of industrial production looks depressing. So little is being built, and on what is being built, the exploitation of foreign labor is assumed that there is already a prospect in which the grandchildren of optimists may be left without decent jobs and will later say: "Grandfather, go forest! Get out yourself, for we do not have work. "
          Therefore, without ceasing to shout about fish, we must shout even louder about the need for industrialization - a solid and worthy great country.
          But, not wanting, not being able to work for the people, it means for the country, our authorities distract us from the fundamental issue by the need to share fish - that which cannot be caught in sufficient quantities by the feeble industrial potential.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 18: 04
            +3
            Quote: depressant
            A persistent habit arises, forgetting about other requirements, then increasing, then weakening the decibels, shouting: "Give us a fish !!! You scoundrels, where did you put our fish?!? Give it back !!"
            Against the background of a powerful chorus of voices, separate "He-heh, and my grandchildren will support me in old age - decrepit and sick!"
            And some voices shouting "Fishing rod! Give us a fishing rod !!" already look like a manifestation of indecency ...

            Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Polemics about a fishing rod and fish in today's situation cannot be a priori. We are simply not allowed to the place of fishing, and instead of a fishing rod they offer a police club and a tax stick.
            drinks
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 31 October 2020 09: 51
      +3
      Quote: Per se.
      monstrous action "65+", giving a quick colonial "zero"

      Colleague hi You lit up very accurately! good
  15. faterdom
    faterdom 30 October 2020 11: 48
    +7
    Volodin pretends to be in opposition to the government's course?
    In vain he is trying so hard - in the next Duma Volodin (in both senses of the word) - no place!
    Of those that promise anything, and then ... Let him go to help Medvedev, he cannot think of everything for more than 600 rubles, what he should do, now he has signed up to be the main one for viruses!
    Wonderland is a virologist lawyer!
    For example, Count Orlov, with a plague riot in Moscow, managed to score a five, but he was not a lawyer at all, a simple count, not one of the nobles, and not from the Rurikovich ...
  16. Yuri Stepanov
    Yuri Stepanov 30 October 2020 11: 57
    +5
    Soon this problem will not be. Here the redhead gets to retirement savings. Then the problem itself will disappear by itself.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: Yuri Stepanov
      Soon this problem will not be. Here the redhead gets to retirement savings.

      The voice sounds more and more clearly:
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  18. Dimy4
    Dimy4 30 October 2020 12: 10
    +2
    With such a face and movement of your hands, you need to tell how good it will be for you to live without money, because no money - no problem.
  19. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 30 October 2020 12: 14
    +3
    But in reality everything is not easy: it is necessary to fundamentally change the laws or those who adopted such laws.
    .. From the change of the places of the terms, the amount will not change, from the change of laws, it seems as if it did not work out worse .. by and large, the system needs to be changed ...
  20. krops777
    krops777 30 October 2020 12: 29
    +2
    head of the financial department Anton Siluanova


    To the point, I would also add socially low responsibility.
  21. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 30 October 2020 12: 32
    +7
    The main thing is constantly overlooked, all these financial and economic structures are the ideological heirs of the ghouls who came to power during the collapse of the USSR. And in fact, they took the most active part in this event. The main thing they have is the lack of an option to fulfill the contracts signed by them. What is at the current stage of pension provision is an agreement, and pensioners have already fulfilled its conditions, and government bodies are constantly changing the conditions in their favor.
  22. iouris
    iouris 30 October 2020 13: 11
    +1
    We must cut it as much as possible. Leave a minimum.
  23. ximkim
    ximkim 30 October 2020 13: 35
    +4
    Donated funds to the PF RF Ministry of Finance RF haunted .. "The Pension Fund is a national treasure." In addition to the fact that retirees go to work not only because of insufficient funds (pensions), retirees find jobs that are not in demand. The reformers are not particularly talking about this. Further, the Kremlin (not the Ministry of Finance, but the Kremlin) is looking for reasons and reasons for freezing or reducing payments for people who have contributed to the good of the country. And now what is there: a working pensioner, a non-working pensioner, this one deserves it or this one does not deserve it, yours is mine, mine is yours, how much money you have, how much money you have enough. request Horror..
  24. Shadow041
    Shadow041 30 October 2020 14: 26
    +6
    Officials in the Russian Federation are very fond of counting the money of the people and very much do not like to count and report to the people about the work done, given their clearly and excessively high bureaucratic salaries. Stop digging into the pockets of hard workers and employees who have worked hard for a penny all their lives and are now working hard because it is not realistic to live on the majority of pensions in the Russian Federation.
  25. Cirkon
    Cirkon 30 October 2020 16: 14
    +6
    That's what is interesting, the retirement age was increased by 5 years (this is a serious saving for the PF RF). They promised to increase pensions to current pensioners at times ... But things are still there!
    They came up with this pandemic, pensioners are dying like flies .... As I understand it, Russia is being cleaned up from those who remember the times of the USSR and how everything was socially oriented there, for the common people ..
    You won't take a lie, we will survive against evil for the ruling and other whiners with an orientation ..
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 30 October 2020 19: 44
    +6
    The government's policy in the field of migration is killing itself, but the pensioner is to blame! They brought in migrants, so let them deduct them to the pension fund and let them receive their pension if they have worked out.
    That's all, as it was profitable to work with cash, and everything remains !!! Postponed yourself to retire and you will have a pension, and the state will again have a reform
  27. IS-1
    IS-1 30 October 2020 20: 52
    -2
    How to maximize your retirement minimum

    Call us into a special unit working in hot spots important for Russia. soldier We have nothing to lose, and we will bring benefit to the Fatherland by covering the youth ..
    We are not agile and with shortness of breath, but if we stubbornly and dig in, no one will take us crying
    But how many savings on pensions wink
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2020 11: 40
    +7
    How to maximize your retirement minimum

    How, how - to bring to a minimum (to zero) the list of Forbes among the citizens of the Russian Federation. lol And hold a number of events ... sad
  29. boni592807
    boni592807 31 October 2020 15: 57
    0
    How to maximize your retirement minimum belay

    I recall an excerpt from x \ f. "Elusive again." As one of the employees of the museum, where the crown of the kings of the Republic of Ingushetia was supposed to be, "held" partners for attention crying ... The plot is from the same source that HE spoke about.
    "... and Moses led the Jews through the desert for 40 years, and when the last of them who remembered Egyptian slavery Died brought them to the Promised Land ..." (sorry if I distorted the text, I hope it doesn't make sense).
    The inquisitive mind wonders repeat , but it could not have been earlier than 40 years old or had to wait until the last, who REMEMBERED? And was there slavery? ...
    Yes, they did not have juvenile justice, USE and SOROSA. You should have done it earlier. lol
    It looks like the economic bloc of the Government is following this path, or HOW? belay
  30. lazy
    lazy 31 October 2020 16: 49
    -6
    In the Soviet Union, working pensioners were not paid any pension at all.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 November 2020 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: lazy
      In the Soviet Union, working pensioners were not paid any pension at all.

      And in the USSR (Soviet Union) they paid. Moreover, the majority of people of retirement age had a different opinion than today:

      You will also remember the time when you had to pay money for studying in grades 8-9-10 and some educational institutions ... True, for orphans whose fathers and mothers died in the war, education cost nothing (although, for some reason, many "experts" miss this in their comments)
      1. lazy
        lazy 2 November 2020 17: 37
        -3
        We didn’t pay pensions to working pensioners in the USSR, I just don’t want to lie how many years I had to work extra so that they would throw 15 or 20 rubles.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 3 November 2020 16: 30
          0
          Quote: lazy
          did not pay pensions to working pensioners in the ussr

          Wow, but they didn't know ..
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 3 November 2020 16: 33
      0
      Quote: lazy
      In the Soviet Union, working pensioners were not paid any pension at all.

      You are really lazy - you are even too lazy to rummage around the Internet. The resolution is right there ..
      1. lazy
        lazy 4 November 2020 14: 35
        0
        Well, if you are not lazy, post a link. what I say, I say on the basis of the words of my relatives that in the late 80s they retired, but on what basis do you say?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 4 November 2020 14: 47
          0
          Quote: lazy
          Well, if you are not lazy, post a link.

          I know not a supporter of lazy people, especially loudly shouting to encourage - look for the resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of December 31, 1969 N 995. And how it actually was according to the law and disperse laziness a little ...
          1. lazy
            lazy 8 November 2020 16: 00
            +1
            DECISION of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of 03.08.72 N 590 (as amended on 30.01.88) "ON APPROVAL OF THE REGULATIONS ON THE PROCEDURE FOR THE APPOINTMENT AND PAYMENT OF STATE PENSIONS"
            The old-age pension granted for incomplete work is not paid to retirees working as workers or employees. and animal husbandry in state agricultural enterprises, at their request, instead of paying a pension while working, a supplement to the pension is charged after leaving work. The pension supplement is set at 10 rubles for each full year of work after the appointment of the pension, provided that the total amount of the supplement does not exceed 40 rubles, and the amount of the pension with the supplement is 150 rubles per month. The accrual of the allowance is made for work starting from January 1, 1980, so, yes, I am partially wrong, but the pension to working pensioners was not always paid. in the case of my parents, clause 2 was in effect, the pension was not paid, but then it was higher not 100 but 150 rubles
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2020 16: 18
              -1
              Quote: lazy
              but still not always pensions were paid to working pensioners.

              Quote: mat-vey
              In the Soviet Union, working pensioners were not paid a pension at all

              Are you too lazy to catch the difference between "generally" and "not always"?
  31. Mmm.
    Mmm. 1 November 2020 11: 08
    +3
    A crocodile cannot be merciful and fair, these are social cannibals, who will not calm down until everyone is devoured. This power is not for people, but to their heart's content.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 1 November 2020 19: 26
    +4
    Voryugi.Siluanov ay where a fair tax on luxury, as in the West, beloved by liberals. Or everything that is done for the rich is good, but for the poor it is bad. They don't know what to blurt out.
  33. mem1963
    mem1963 5 November 2020 07: 34
    0
    The government is calm. Enough money for retirement. The coronavirus and the actions of the country's leadership will lead to a decrease in the population to retirement and retirement age. The visionary president signed the plan 6 years ago.
  34. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 7 November 2020 07: 34
    +2
    But the Pension Fund itself in its budget for 2021 pledged an amount of more than 6 billion rubles for the construction of new offices and the improvement of old ones. Where does the money come from, Zin?
  35. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 10 November 2020 17: 37
    0
    Mr. Minister does not know what it means to live on 10 thousand rubles. Therefore, he thinks in some abstract categories. And the fact that pensioners have to compete with homeless people, collecting bottles in order to buy bread for themselves, he, for some reason, does not see. Pensioners work in order to somehow survive. They have already earned their pensions, and there should not even be a question of indexation: anyone who has earned a pension should receive it indexed.
  36. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 10 November 2020 17: 41
    0
    Quote: lazy
    In the Soviet Union, working pensioners were not paid any pension at all.

    After retirement, my grandfather continued to work. And he received a pension. You, dear, can you give proof of your words?
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 26 November 2020 12: 14
      0
      At one time there was a limitation on the amount of payment. Then they quickly canceled, tk. people started leaving work. Now they go to gray salaries.
  37. Patriot In Longing
    Patriot In Longing 22 November 2020 19: 32
    0
    A parasitic herd ...
  38. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 26 November 2020 12: 12
    0
    Pensioners should work in the PFR and retirees should also head it. And it is better to eliminate this sharaga, which is maintained by pensioners.
  39. Lew
    Lew 26 November 2020 17: 55
    0
    Justice? who is it about?