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Bread and Lord. How words and languages ​​in general reveal ancient connections between different peoples

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Often, language can tell about the historical and ethnic kinship of certain peoples and groups much more documentary evidence of the past or the works of historians. Linguistic features can reveal common roots in such peoples, which, as many believe, do not and cannot have anything in common.


The famous linguist Dmitry Petrov is one of those who study languages ​​of the past years, correlates various words, word roots, and this allows us to determine the language tree that can tell a lot about the formation and development of civilization.

Visiting Day TV, Dmitry Petrov talks about the kinship of words in the languages ​​of modern peoples living thousands of kilometers from each other.

One example is how the words "lord" and "bread" can be related.

When the word “lord” is uttered today, it is usually a member of the British upper house of parliament that introduces himself. And what does the bread have to do with it? It turns out that the term "lord" is a kind of transformation of the pronunciation of the word "guard" or "guard". Many centuries ago this word was associated with the word "bread". Such an association was a definition of a person in a community who was trusted by other people in this community to protect bread and grain. Over time, the status of the "bread guard" became so high that the position actually began to be inherited.

Details about these and other words can be found in Dmitry Petrov's story on Day TV:

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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 28 October 2020 15: 36
    15
    I know the bear is a honey specialist. smile
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 28 October 2020 15: 47
      +6
      Lord is a specialist in the protection of bread.
      Lard is a specialist in lard.
      And who, then, is the specialist in bacon with bread? repeat
      1. Don karleone
        Don karleone 28 October 2020 15: 52
        +1
        Guess ........ Ukrainian
      2. dzvero
        dzvero 28 October 2020 15: 53
        +2
        Loyar (lawsuit. English), i.e. a lawyer, more precisely a human rights activist, even more precisely - grant (s) ed smile
      3. kristofer
        kristofer 28 October 2020 15: 55
        +1
        resident of the outskirts. who else?
      4. nnm
        nnm 28 October 2020 16: 55
        +4
        When the word “lord” is uttered today, it is usually a member of the British upper house of parliament that introduces himself. And what does the bread have to do with it? It turns out that the term "lord" is a kind of transformation of the pronunciation of the word "guard" or "guard". Many centuries ago this word was associated with the word "bread". Such an association was a definition of a person in a community who was trusted by other people in this community to protect bread and grain. Over time, the status of the "bread guard" became so high that the position actually began to be inherited.

        Arguing with a specialist is a thankless task, but, in my opinion, it is absolutely not worth equating "bread" and "lord". I do not understand why, having correctly described the etymology of the word "guard", meaning "guard," he moved on to identifying and distorting "lord" only through guarding in one narrow meaning. After all, the guard of edged weapons, and the bodyguard, and the midshipman, and the guard - everything is from "guarding" and there are no references to bread there. In my opinion - "bread" does not play any formative role in "lord". Unlike "guard". But judging by the biography of the source mentioned, I will not argue with him, I think he is simply trying to make the etymology more intriguing and accessible.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 28 October 2020 21: 10
          0
          Quote: nnm
          Arguing with a specialist is a thankless task, but, in my opinion, it is absolutely not worth equating "bread" and "lord". I do not understand why, having correctly described the etymology of the word "guard", meaning "guard," he moved on to identifying and distorting "lord" only through guarding in one narrow meaning. After all, the guard of edged weapons, and the bodyguard, and the midshipman, and the guard - everything is from "guarding" and there are no references to bread there. In my opinion - "bread" does not play any formative role in "lord". Unlike "guard". But judging by the biography of the source mentioned, I will not argue with him, I think he is simply trying to make the etymology more intriguing and accessible.

          ===
          I also did not understand the connection. it would be better to start cleaning the tongue, it jars from the dominance of endless borrowings: sanitizers, merchantdisers, car sharing and other adopted vomit (
          1. Nikza
            Nikza 28 October 2020 23: 10
            -2
            Are you going to eradicate the words "house" (dome), "chair" (stool), "car", "automobile", "plate" (plat) and hundreds or thousands of borrowed words? Language is not words, but the structure, the melody of the language. How a person thinks. A way of thinking in the end.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 29 October 2020 10: 51
              0
              Quote: Nikza
              Will you eradicate the words "house" (dome), "chair" (stool), "car", "car", "plate" (plat) and hundreds or thousands of borrowed words? Language is not words, but a structure, a melody of language. How a person thinks. A way of thinking in the end.

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              I don't need to poke.
              a) we are talking about modern borrowing, thoughtless and disgusting
              b) my appeal to specialists-linguists, so that they work, and not wipe their pants.
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 29 October 2020 16: 13
              -1
              here's another
              Quote: Nikza
              Are you going to eradicate the words "house" (dome), "chair" (stool), "car", "automobile", "plate" (plat) and hundreds or thousands of borrowed words? Language is not words, but structure, the melody of the language. How a person thinks. The way of thinking in the end.

              ===
              here's another new one: Moscow. 29th of October. INTERFAX.RU - National lockdown in Russia, due to the situation around the coronavirus, it is not planned to enter, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
              now they will pick up, and there will be a lockdown, lockdown from every corner
            3. Dodikson
              Dodikson 1 December 2020 20: 26
              0
              а когда это слово Дом стало заимствованным ?
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 28 October 2020 15: 55
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I know the bear is a honey specialist

      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      Lord is a specialist in the protection of bread.
      Lard is a specialist in lard.
      And who, then, is the specialist in bacon with bread?

      But in general, linguistic research in the spirit of Mikhail Zadornov (Heavenly Kingdom to him).
      As a person, at a certain moment in his life he recoiled from Orthodoxy, was imbued with false teachings, but before his death he repented and confessed ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 October 2020 16: 30
        +8
        Quote: BDRM 667
        As a person, at a certain moment in his life he recoiled from Orthodoxy, imbued with false teachings, but before his death he repented and confessed ...

        Nice man! Only you do not take the side of church dogmas, which assert that there was no life in Russia before its baptism, and people slept in dens in an embrace with bears. It’s just sick of all those who today began to associate the events of the past with Orthodoxy. It is not true.
        For some reason, none of the Orthodox tried to explain the words: NOGA, DOROGA, etc., etc.
        I still don’t understand why the church uses the Old Church Slavonic and modern language, when any sayings in Old Church Slavonic are incomprehensible neither to a modern person, nor to any other people who brought Orthodoxy to Russia.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 28 October 2020 16: 35
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Nice man! Only you do not take the side of church dogmas, which claim that there was no life in Russia before its baptism

          And I don’t get up ... But the "excesses" in the spirit of the orthodox fanatics-Rodnovers, "without a king in my head" I also do not really like.
          Everything should be in moderation, and based on quality scientific research, not fiction ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 28 October 2020 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: BDRM 667
            But even the "excesses" in the spirit of orthodox fanatics-Rodnovers, "without a tsar in my head" I also don't really like it.

            Excessiveness is when it is suggested to explain the inexplicable through the unknown. The king in the head does not have to be either in a cassock or in a chapan ... Sometimes you should use the same brains to understand that pinning absolutely all hopes on higher powers is folly. And, already, explaining the development of enlightenment, education and sciences by participation in Orthodoxy is ridiculous, just like blessing rocket launchers.
            There is nothing strange in the fact that uneducated people were looking for someone's craft in a series of events, no. You just do not need to consider as false one or another theory of knowledge of the world until it is proved that your own, or that which you yourself perceive as the truth, is right.
            That's all ... hi
          2. Dodikson
            Dodikson 1 December 2020 20: 29
            +1
            родноверы и инглинги созданы западом по модели мормонов , берете рассказы мормонов и меняете имена ангелов и библейских имен на имена языческих богов и получите текст один в один .
            а затеяно это западом умышленно что бы запятнать эту тему . гитлера кстати поэтому "арийцем" сделали , ибо третий рейх к арийцам вообще никакого отношения не имеет . а самими арийцами являются только восточные немцы , которые этнические славяне , западные немцы это кельты и относятся к другой группе народов .
        2. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 28 October 2020 18: 19
          +5
          My grandmother, nee Voronovich, when she was very angry with me, said: "Yes, hay tabe Pärun punish me!" But a thousand years have passed.
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 October 2020 22: 15
      +2
      And Carlson - for jam?
  2. samurai_klim
    samurai_klim 28 October 2020 16: 11
    0
    Every word in the world, if you look closely at it, has the root "u. K. R"
  3. Undecim
    Undecim 28 October 2020 16: 19
    +5
    Either the person who wrote the note suffers from a hearing impairment and, without understanding anything, drove a gag, or the translator Dmitry Petrov took the path of linguists like Zadornov or our website Bar. The check fails, the link does not work.
    The Oxford English Dictionary, which you can safely trust, says the following.
    The etymology of the word "lord" can be traced back to the Old English word hlāford, which comes from the word hlāfweard, meaning "loaf of bread" or "keeper of bread."
    The word historically reflected the ancient Germanic tribal custom of venerating a leader who provides food for members of his tribe or clan.

    And the note contains complete nonsense.
  4. Selevc
    Selevc 28 October 2020 17: 15
    0
    Various researchers of the Russian language and the birth of the Russian state usually forget or deliberately ignore one very important fact - at the time of the birth of Kievan Rus, tribes still existed and flourished - entire states of the Western Slavs - from the Oder to the West. Dvina !!! They were all conquered and enslaved as a result of 200-300 years of German crusades to the East !!!
    These are the same Varangians who founded Kiev - Rurik, Kiy, Schek and Khoriv - they are not Scandinavians !!! And they were called Varangians because they cooked salt !!!

    And the very name Kiev is the city of Kiya !!! And the names of the neighboring tribes are consonant - Prussians and Russes and, as a result, the derivative Prussia and Rus !!! Only the Prussians were completely conquered and Germanized and the Russians are not yet there !!!

    In the old Russian names of cities there is absolutely no consonance with the ancient Scandinavian names !!! But in East Germany and Northern Poland there are many old names of cities and towns with Old Slavonic roots !!!

    And nevertheless, historians in their mass repeat their theories taken from the ceiling - as prayers for the allegedly Scandinavian origins of Ancient Russia !!!

    The names guard and lord are consonant ??? Perhaps only for a person with a very violent imagination !!!
    .
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 October 2020 17: 44
      0
      Well, it's not clear why you are jarring that the alien Normans began to rule the Old Russian state? So what? What's so terrible about that? In the same Britain, no one jarred that they were conquered by Wilhelm, that they lost the Battle of Hastings. Nobody tears their hair. And we have some kind of tragedy. What is the tragedy if they are Normans? Which, after a few centuries, were completely assimilated.
      The fact that the Anglo-Saxon princess Gita was the wife of Vladimir Monomakh is the same reason for sorrow? I do not understand...
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 28 October 2020 17: 49
        -3
        Quote: Ezoterik
        Well, it's not clear why you are jarring that the alien Normans began to rule the Old Russian state? So what? What's so terrible about that?

        I am jarred by the fact that this is a lie !!! The fact that historians are so stupid that you see do not want to understand the special difference between the Normans and Western Slavs and interfere with all in one heap !!!
        Kievan Rus is an invention of historians,
        The Hundred Years War is an invention of historians,
        Byzantium - the name was invented by historians,
        War of the Scarlet and White Rose - invented
        Thirty Years' War - invented

        A logical question arises - are not historians coming up with too many ??? History is the science of how people lived or is it a collection of false theories taken from the ceiling ???
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 28 October 2020 18: 09
          -2
          And also the fact that the history course that is taught in schools for example and which is called "History of the Ancient World and History of the Middle Ages" is completely mysterious and incomprehensible to me is the history of only the countries of Western Europe !!!

          Why do I need details from the life of Caesar, for example, which are already covered as much as possible everywhere in the theater and in cinema and literature - if I live in Eastern Europe and not in Western Europe ?? !!! And from the history of Eastern Europe, on the contrary, whole chapters and volumes have been torn out under the title History of the Eastern Roman Empire !!!

          And even this name is artificially soiled and replaced with the fantasy name Byzantium !!! That is, it turns out that the Western Roman Empire fell - but we are learning its history, and the Eastern Roman one survived, but even its name was taken away from it and we safely ignore its history ??? Where is the logic ???

          And we learn, for example, the history of an absolutely invented state, too - the Holy Roman Empire !!! After all, this is clearly an invention of Catholic Rome in an era when it was weak in order to oppose at least something to the powerful Orthodox Constantinople !!!
          1. Deniska999
            Deniska999 28 October 2020 19: 05
            +1
            Apparently, the concept of translatio imperii is unfamiliar to you, well, okay, what to do.
        2. napalm
          napalm 28 October 2020 20: 36
          -3
          So the type and the Mongols were not all invented.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 30 October 2020 14: 38
            0
            Quote: napalm
            So the type and the Mongols were not all invented.

            And here it is invented or not ??? The history of Ancient Rome is about 1000 years old (from 700 BC to 450 AD) - while almost every passer-by on the street will tell you about Hannibal, and about Caesar, and about Augustus and much more another from the history of Ancient Rome.

            As for the history of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) - there are solid black spots, lies and dirt:

            1) The era of its heyday for some reason is called the Dark Ages.
            2) The name was taken away from her and at least they called it relatively correctly, for example, the Roman Empire. So no, it was called offensively - the East Roman Empire was named after the name of a provincial town !!! There are simply no analogues in world history !!! Someone made fun of Constantinople and so all generations teach this mockery !!!
            3) Even the emperors of Byzantium are unknown to the broad masses of people, not to mention the scientists, poets, philosophers, state. figures !!!
            4) The history of Constantinople also has about 1000 years (from the split of the ancient empire in 395 to its fall in 1453) - a huge historical period about which no one knows almost anything, textbooks about it almost never write and films about it are not made at all !!!
            5) The history of Byzantium is directly connected with the birth of Kievan Rus, and then with the birth of Russia !!!
            So why do Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe know so little, do not like and neglect their roots ???

            On the last point, we can say so - Western Europe rewrote the history of Eastern Europe in such a way as to present itself as the luminary of progress from time immemorial and vice versa to omit the achievements of the Eastern European peoples by presenting them as half-barbarians, sometimes as wild nomads, or as primitive peasants ... Therefore, in the generally accepted world history, some kind of the right of the Western European civilization to govern the Eastern European civilization !!! Why are we then surprised by the different conquerors coming to us from the West ??? They were brought up like that from childhood !!!
        3. Alesi13
          Alesi13 28 October 2020 20: 55
          +1
          (with a trembling voice) have they deceived me all my life? (crying, I'll go throw a glass)
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 28 October 2020 20: 22
        -5
        Quote: Ezoterik
        I do not understand...

        And you won't understand. It's not yours.
  5. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 28 October 2020 18: 59
    -1
    Magpie-white-sided ...
    Swan geese...
    Shade-shade on the fence. wink
    Clear, ugh Clear.
  6. andrew42
    andrew42 28 October 2020 20: 55
    +2
    Well, this is already worse than any alternatives! The thread from "lord" to "guard" is very stretched, and correctly above the Oxford Dictionary was cited as an example, there is no "guard" there. But this is only one stretch step! The second "distillation" is from "guard" to "bread". And here it is completely incomprehensible. In parallel, the question arises, why did the ancestors of the Germans exchange such an important "guard" (which is supposedly "bread") for some kind of "brad / brot" ?! - Such strange guys, - Petrov did not obey. I can still understand when "guard" and "grad" are trying to connect. But with bread - that's something!
  7. Gato
    Gato 28 October 2020 21: 07
    0
    Linguistic features can reveal common roots in such peoples, which, as many believe, do not and cannot have anything in common

    And it also happens the other way around, as, for example, a historical source no less authoritative than Mr. Petrov asserts:
    The Cossacks were also different. Some lived on the banks of the Dnieper, fought with the Tatars and with passers-by on the high road, beat anyone who turned up under the arm, and the vodka was called "vodka". Themselves were called the Cossacks. Other Cossacks lived on the banks of the Don, fought with the Tatars, beat whoever God sent, and called vodka a "burner". They were called the Don. Still others lived in the Urals, fought against the Tatars and merchant carts, beat whoever they could defeat, and called vodka “wine”. These were called the Ural Cossacks. Despite such prominent contradictions in the programs of the Zaporozhye, Don and Ural Cossacks, they all agreed on one and the main point - in ardent love for what the Cossacks called "vodka", the Don people - "burner", and the Urals - "wine"
    laughing
  8. yasel
    yasel 29 October 2020 01: 09
    0
    I read the article and did not watch the video.
    The word guard in English comes from Old Danish. It was Utah, the tribes from Jutland, who settled in the North East of England and brought their language to the local Celts. The Angles and Saxons inhabiting the North of Germany were neighbors of the Utes and spoke related dialects. The Duchies of Norfolk (Utah) and Safolk (Angles and Saxons) were invaders and drove the indigenous Celts into Cornwall, Wales and Scotland. English was brought to England from the continent - Denmark and the north of Germany.
    In the modern Danish Gard - a farm, an estate, a courtyard. In Norwegian - a house, a yard.
    Accordingly, in English, the word was transformed through the semantic "nobles" that is, "courtyards, servants", "courtyard guard" (feud). Guards, midshipmen from the same opera .. and dt.
    But in ancient Jutland, the word came from the east and comes from the word Grad, hail, fence, fence ... In the Western Slavic languages, the Grad means Fortress (Ljubljanski Grad, Bratislava Grad) in the Eastern - a settlement, which, however, did not prevent it from being a fortress at the same time ...
    In the Scandinavian epic there is a mention of Gardarik (Country of Cities), which is located in the east.
    How the Grad became Gard - it is very simple that the alternation of sounds in a new word is easier and more convenient to pronounce by native speakers of a non-Slavic language.
    Just like the Ukrainian "suvoriy" and the Russian "severe" or why does Count Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov have a "Ukrainian" surname ?!
    Suvory and Sever (difficult hard land) are the same words. From there, English severe (heavy) and Danish sveart (difficult).

    English brige Danish bro German broke occurs West Slavic brod (meaning a bridge) just a ford on the rivers they were looking for before they started to pave, that is, make bridges.
    and there are dozens of such examples.

    Total: The entire so-called group of Germanic languages ​​is essentially Old Slavic - Kelsky surzhik, formed in parallel in different territories, having no common ancestor except Old Slavic.
    In vain, our linguists eat bread for free, together with propagandists, we must more actively declare our birthright!

    Comments and criticism are welcome!