Defense of the Kuril Islands will be strengthened with modernized T-72B3 tanks

The defense of the Kuril Islands will be strengthened with modernized tanks T-72B3. The corresponding decision was made by the Ministry of Defense. "News" with reference to the military department.

According to the newspaper, the first tanks entered service with the units responsible for the defense of the islands in the summer of this year. Before that, the crews of the machines mastered the equipment on simulators, after its arrival, commissioning and familiarization, control firing was carried out with the implementation of practical exercises.

The Ministry of Defense plans that the complete rearmament and mastering of new equipment by personnel will take one to two years.

The press service of the Air Defense Forces clarified that the 68th Army Corps, whose headquarters is located in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, is responsible for the defense of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. Parts of the 18th machine-gun and artillery division, which includes a separate tank battalion, are located directly on the Kuriles. In addition, there are tank units in the machine-gun and artillery regiments.

The T-72B3M is a deeply modernized version of the T-72 main battle tank. The T-72B3 has more powerful engines of 1130 hp, an improved fire control system with a digital ballistic computer, a sight with a laser rangefinder and an anti-tank missile control system, and the latest generation of digital communications. In addition, to facilitate reversing, the tanks are equipped with a rearview camera.

The T-72B3 armor is reinforced with side screens with Relict dynamic protection modules, mounted lattice screens, as well as new dynamic protection systems in a “soft” case.

Comments

[Uncle lee]

Defense of the Kuril Islands will be strengthened with modernized T-72B3 tanks

What a shame for the Japanese!

[antivirus]

bad tanks are not waterfowl, and the fleet is small and there are no aircraft carriers.
waiting for the next upgrade T72 - or flying to Hokkaido or floating

[Ros 56]

What will the Japanese tavalisi say to that?

[tralflot1832]

Out of grief, we went to open our esophagus! The Japanese tovaischi answered ..

[faiver]

Sheriff Indians do not care about problems ...

[venik]

Quote: Ros 56

What will the Japanese tavalisi say to that?

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And the Japanese stuck around like an abisna vilyazyatya "angry plytestia"!

[Ros 56]

Well, this is their business, they had to think with their heads in the last century, but now what to squeal, the train has left.

[demo]

Tank troops are a branch of the Ground Forces. They are capable of performing combat missions both independently and in cooperation with other types of troops. The technical power and armament make the tank forces suitable for conducting combat operations in any weather conditions, in the dark, and even under the influence of the damaging factors of nuclear weapons.

Tank troops carry out the following tasks: in the offensive - breaking through the enemy's defenses and penetrating into his defensive formations to a great depth; in defense - support for motorized rifle troops in repelling an enemy offensive, delivering counterattacks and counterattacks.

I have a brief stupor over how we are going to defend the islands.
Tanks are needed here last.
And the Japanese know this as well as ours.
One gets the impression that we will defend the islands somehow differently.

[faiver]

tanks on the islands are mobile firing points, earlier there were ISs and T-34s in caponiers, now there will be T-72

[demo]

It is still not very clear how tanks can protect from Japanese ships.
And the range of missile and artillery weapons of the ships is not great.
And power.
In the period from 30 to 50, rooted tank turrets were a good weapon.
But today something else is required.

Until this mobile firing point reaches its destination, it will be covered 10 times.
Moreover, the Kuril Islands are not the Great Russian Plain.
There is only one road in one direction.
The tank will not pass through the hills.
So the route is known in advance.
Well, what to talk about?

[carstorm 11]

and are you going to fight the landing too?)))

[carstorm 11]

not at all) coastal defense is by no means shooting from closed positions)

[times]

Quote: faiver

tanks on the islands are mobile firing points, earlier there were ISs and T-34s in caponiers, now there will be T-72

The last year or two have shown how vulnerable sitting in defense is from UAV actions. Defender always reacts on the situation and not creates her.

[halpat]

"Machine gun and artillery division" sounds beautiful, you must agree.
almost the same as the armored cavalry brigade (division)
the latter always brings me back to these shots

[Hiller]

18 PULAD is the only unit in the RF Armed Forces. The task is specific (like the name, so as not to "cast these shots") - DEFENSE

islands Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan in cooperation with the forces of the Pacific Fleet. Speaking of the "armored cavalrymen" - this is to our sworn friends from overseas. In the US Army, each mechanized and tank division has a separate armored cavalry regiment (OBRKP). And this is not a joke at all. There, for example, there is an army aviation battalion.

[carstorm 11]

Coastal Defense is not at all familiar with the term?) I will reveal an even more terrible secret - officers of the coastal and marine corps have also graduated from tank schools since the days of the Union)

[Aag]

Quote: carstorm 11

Coastal Defense is not at all familiar with the term?) I will reveal an even more terrible secret - officers of the coastal and marine corps have also graduated from tank schools since the days of the Union)

"The Riga Higher Military-Political Red Banner School named after Marshal of the Soviet Union Biryuzov SS is the successor and heir of the Order of the Red Banner of the Coastal Defense School of the Red Army Naval Forces named after the LKSM of Ukraine, created by order of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR No. 334 dated April 18, 1931.

The school was originally diversified. It trained commanders and technicians in many specialties: artillerymen of the main caliber for ships and coastal batteries, artillerymen-anti-aircraft gunners for ships, chemists and pyrotechnics. On October 1, 1941, at the request of the Communications Department of the Navy, the training of communications commanders for ships and coastal units began.

By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of January 22, 1944 "For the exemplary fulfillment of combat missions of the command at the front of the struggle against the Nazi invaders and the valor and courage shown at the same time" the school was awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

Since December 31, 1959, the school as part of the Strategic Missile Forces .... "Wikipedia.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Continuing Demo.
Old T-55s have a 100mm rifled cannon, which at long ranges is more accurate than the smoothbore 125mm T-72. Of course the MSA "72" is more credible. The ability to fire guided ammunition. But in this case highlighting of the target is required. BOPS fired and forgot, alas, no. So I would be gladdened by the news of the appearance on the Kuril Islands of a self-propelled guns "coalition". For which, in order to cover from the land direction, and "72" will be useful. But even then, for their protection, an integrated air defense is needed. And most importantly, the fleet. Here we have "seams" with him!
The bottom line is that the only deterrent is the nuclear triad! Any "bite" on our Kuril Islands must begin with the realization of a response in the form of a nuclear strike on the "jade islands"!
Well, somewhere like that.

[demo]

The bottom line is that the only deterrent is the nuclear triad!
This is where we begin, and this is where we end.
Fleet, air defense, aviation and everything else combined - this is reliable protection.
If THIS is not enough or not enough, then tanks are a dead poultice.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

But even then, for their protection, an integrated air defense is needed. And most importantly the fleet.

As for the first, I agree, but about the fleet, in the context of protecting the islands, perhaps not. Any island is like an unsinkable ship, and making it a tough nut for the enemy is much cheaper than building a ship. Warehouses, generators, command post - hide under the ground. Artillery, air defense, coastal anti-ship complexes - in concrete caponiers. And the Japanese will be happy.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Bad_gr

about the fleet, in the context of protecting the islands, perhaps not. Any island is like an unsinkable ship, and making it a tough nut for the enemy is much cheaper than building a ship. Warehouses, generators, command post - hide under the ground. Artillery, air defense, coastal anti-ship complexes - in concrete caponiers. And the Japanese will be happy.

Any defense game is flawed! The enemy chooses, time, place, forces of application of the blow! There are no impregnable fortresses !!!
It is necessary to have the strength of the means of an adequate response, at least for the landing operation on Hokaido!

[Ros 56]

With this question to Shoigu, if he accepts.

[Bryanskiy_Volk]

On Shikotan, RTOTs (ISs, T-54 towers) were disbanded only in 1993. The length of the island is about 28 km, with a firing range of the D-25T OF about 16 km, it made it possible to block the coastline along the perimeter. Thus, the main task was to resist the Japanese landing, and not to fight the surface ships. Although the "Notebooks of the gun commander" indicated figures on the average number of hits for sinking ships of different classes (I personally held this artifact in my hands). Now, as far as I know, 9 out of 10 ISs (IS-3) in Malokurilsk are broken by local aborigines, and the tenth (IS-2) was lowered from the hill where the positions of the former military unit 74380 were located and installed in the middle of the former village stadium as a monument to the Liberators of the Kuril Islands, there were still photos where one IS-3 is standing at the berth of a brigade of sea border guards. I'm not sure, but it seems that the Maremans also dragged themselves from the hill to a heap ("Shob was"). I can recommend an article by Yuri Maksimov for reading: "Tanks of Shikotan Island"
http://maksimov.su/ohota-expedicii-polevaya-medicina/sahalin-i-kurili/kurili/1023-tanki-ostrova-shikotan-proshloe-nastoyashchee-i-budushchee-nashego-yugo-vostochnogo-forposta.html

[dzvero]

we will defend the islands somehow differently.

And there is a hint at the very end of the article:

в "soft" housing.

Perhaps the tanks have become floating ... which is already changing the whole alignment

[Boris Chernikov]

and what can you offer to protect from the landing? and yes, this is not INSTEAD, but with other means

[Lara Croft]

Quote: demo

Tanks are needed here last.
And the Japanese know this as well as ours.
One gets the impression that we will defend the islands somehow differently.

Not worse. Therefore, their only TD in the Northern Army (the most powerful) was placed on the neighboring island. Hokkaido ...

[demo]

Here, you know what it is?
Where and what the Japanese placed at home, where and what we (Russia) place at home - this is all secondary.
Primarily, who will be the beneficiary of whether the islands remain with Russia or the Japanese will return them.
It would seem that they are four islands with conditions unsuitable for normal life.
What does Japan gain if they are torn away from Russia?
1. It is believed that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is no longer an internal sea of ​​Russia.
It follows from this that foreign merchant and military ships can enter there without hindrance.
Foreign companies can start doing business there without obtaining permission from Russia.
On these islands, weapons can be deployed and not only foreign states.
All this adds up to a very gloomy forecast.
But the defense of the islands does not begin with the deployment of weapons (this is the final stage).
Protection begins with the fact that this land is perceived in the minds of people as ours, primordial.
Those. people aspire there and can come to live and work.
I am not familiar with the rules of entry, but I think that getting there, both physically and legally, is not easy.
Those. the islands are essentially a military outpost. Those. fortress. Those. the area is not reserved for all those who are not military personnel stationed there.
And here such a kind of shift in consciousness occurs.
On the one hand, this is our land. On the other hand, we have no way to go there.

Okay. This is philosophy.
If we take into account the fact that a landing force may land on these islands, then "plowing" the island, together with the landing party, is not tricky.
And to the Japanese it is as clear as God's day.
So the troops will not land there.
Then why drag there so many pieces of iron that will never find their use?
The commentators were right when they said that there are enough coastal rocket launchers and mountain ranger units.
This is my, purely personal point of view.

And the last.
We, Russia, are very one-sided and sometimes to our own detriment, we indulge our neighbors too much in how we should and shouldn't treat the burial places of their fellow tribesmen.
Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, etc. showed the level of their "love" for the Soviet soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation of Europe.
We continue to treat their compatriots who died in different years and in different military conflicts on the territory of Russia, with attention.
Do the Japanese emphasize that the graves of their ancestors remained in the Kuriles?
And it is extremely important for them that they can come and worship the ashes of their relatives?
Then maybe it is worth suggesting that the Japanese take their relics and reburial them in Japan?
Then we will become a little less reasons?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: demo

Here, you know, what is the matter? Where and what the Japanese have placed at home, where and what we (Russia) place at home - it's all secondary.

Thanks for the philosophical readings , of course, but you didn't answer my question ...

[demo]

I cannot say with 100% certainty, but most likely Hokaido was chosen as the largest island in the state.
The earth is not enough.
So they placed it where it is convenient.
Of course, one might think that the Japanese generals of the Japan Self-Defense Forces dream of "revenge" and plan oncoming tank battles "a la Battle of Kursk", but then I think they will not succeed.
The Bal systems will lie at the bottom of the strait long before the tracks of tanks touch the land.

Or you can just send a letter to Japan with a question - Why are you here, such-rasty, tanks poke around ?!
Ship them to Okinawa!

Most of all, I am alarmed by the total strength of the Japan Self-Defense Forces - about 150 people.
Unbelievable power.
Although ... Winning is not by number, but by skill.
Therefore, our garrison in the Kuril Islands is 3500 infantry.

I think that my answer, within the framework of my humble knowledge, will be accepted?

[Hiller]

But I wonder why the Japanese deployed tank units on the islands during the Second World War? They still stand there. They probably didn't know how to think.

[Hiller]

But I wonder why the Japanese deployed tank units on the islands during the Second World War? They still stand there. They probably didn't know how to think. And if there is no mockery, then the tanks there are the commander's reserve. Divisional commander or regiment commander. In cooperation with motorized riflemen and artillery. And the terrain does not contradict their application. Not everywhere, of course.

[Alien From]

Japan's new prime minister will do hara-kiri)

[Ros 56]

To whom is it?

[viktor_ui]

It’s like a joke, in terms of intimidating the Yap, budget modernization ... apparently what is happening in Karabakh does not teach the great parquet strategists anything. Even for more show-off, digging them into the ground and directing the muzzle into the eye is like scaring a hedgehog with a naked JO This is a tank from the 21st century with greetings from Serdyukov ... well, well.

[Trojan_wolf]

Another nerve in children of sakura.

[Scharnhorst]

This is to improve the performance of cadets-tankers, excellent students in the Kantemirovsk division, and of the C-grade in the machine-gun and artillery division! Although, seriously, why not put a similar number of 152-mm self-propelled guns? Maneuvering with fire is more effective than rolling the tank into direct fire. The American Marines are refusing to use the Abrams, the Japanese are going to exchange full-fledged tanks for wheeled ones ... The management decided to add petrol to the altar of cold vine and at the same time present this creative as a serious strengthening of the Kuril defense.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

to teach this creative as a serious strengthening of the defense of the Kuril Islands ....... so what, where is the creative !!!! there are quite a lot of tank units in Crimea, and what is worse than Sakhalin, which almost three times more should not have tank units ... you are a strange people
and so ... on the disputable islands of the Kuril ridge, gusly armored vehicles are themselves for defense against the landing of an assault ... my kent as a carrier of the Urals served as an emergency on Shikotan. so he said that it would be dashing not to twist the "ram" along the coast, they went there for food and this and that during the low tide of the ocean, and the area was full of sirloin
so tanks are needed there

[ycuce234-san]

quote = Crimean partisan 1974] there are tank units in Crimea [/ quote]


As a joke, it is possible to place conscription units on those islands ... from metro builders and mining specialists to prepare catacombs there. The Japanese actively built them during the war on the islands and it justified itself, including because they always have complete order with mining specialists - the country is mountainous.
Well, if it's more serious, then there are not tankers needed, but rather huntsmen and mountain riflemen, for such a rugged terrain. You can cook them there. The Japanese also have such a natural combination on their main islands - a coastal flat coast and steepness and narrowness a little further in depth. On all this, a dense mountain forest grows, on abundant marine sediments. Therefore, in essence, their infantry troops are naval paratroopers with mountain rifle training. In Japan, rock climbing is a national sport and they, the island inhabitants, are among the leaders in the number of climbers in the world.

View of the Japanese Alps (日本 ア ル プ ス Nihon Arupusu) (photo from Wikipedia):

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Well, if it's more serious, then there are not tankers needed, but rather huntsmen and mountain riflemen ... but no, in the pictures from the dembel photo album, the Shikotan peaks are gentle. but rugged, we have such a place in the Crimea Alikot Bogaz pass. but there are tank units there. although the place is harsh for tanks ... in the war on this pass, the tank column was lost in a place called "Horseshoe", more over the entire time of the occupation of Crimea, the Germans did not meddle there, with the Kurils everything is different

[ycuce234-san]

during the war on this pass, the tank column was lost in a place called "Horseshoe"

In itself, the steepness of the slopes is secondary - and the columns are lost on quite not steep hills. It's just that there is an example of a rather warm mountainous area with the roads of even Afghanistan, but everyone knows how difficult it is to act there.
And here: a) ruggedness, b) a harsh, harsh cold climate, even below the cold sea and not only at heights, c) the sea is a good road for the enemy and it also cuts off the defenders into natural "cauldrons", d) mountain forests - Afghan "greenery" is geobotanically often mountain deciduous forest and here mountain coniferous forest-taiga, and only where it survives - in other places it is just a transitional landscape to the tundra, e) the combination of sea humidity and high wind speeds gives very low perceived temperatures and icing technology and terrain. f) the enemy, in many respects prepared for such a specific terrain, except for the sub-tundra and the most mountainous places, g) the soil is usually thin - and there is a rock under it. Only the islands far away in the Arctic Ocean and the mountains of such islands are more difficult.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

harsh cold climate, even below the cold sea and not only at the heights, ..... well, someone needs to protect the air defense and Coastal Defense complexes, ... that's where the tanks are needed

[ycuce234-san]

On the other hand, tracked tanks in the Arctic mountains are a forced and, apparently, a reasonable decision.
The Kuril Islands belong to the Far North regions. And this is at 45 ° -50 ° north latitude. It is south of Novosibirsk, Moscow, Warsaw, Berlin and London. This is in those latitudes where such cities as: Harbin, Volgograd, Krasnodar, Donetsk, Chisinau, Vienna, Milan, Munich, Paris, Ottawa, Vancouver and Seattle are located. But at the same time, snow up to the waist there is a normal phenomenon, from above it is peppered with almost constantly absent visibility and fierce rains in the conditionally warm season.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But at the same time, snow up to the waist there is a normal phenomenon, from above it is peppered with almost constantly absent visibility and fierce rains in the conditionally warm season.
quite rightly noticed ... Crimea, as it were, at the latitude of Komsomolsk on the Amur ... but the climate bursts sharply. and the tanks are just needed there ... at least my first-born in a tank school near Khabarovsk was on advanced training in January-April, he says that tanks at the school are finished. more track, that is, this is a mod T-72A or B, B1 along the way are earring ... but oh well,
tanks need on the ground
everyone is different
and everywhere

[Hiller]

On the question of huntsmen and mountain riflemen - Kuril landscapes. Trained infantry is doing quite well. In this gulf, the Japanese were preparing to attack Pearl Harbor.

[ycuce234-san]

It turns out that those Japanese marines could not do without the basics of mountain rifle training, since they were taught them on the rugged and hillside seaside - they already knew how to land. At least in the pictures in one cool place right by the sea and on Oahu there are as many as two volcanoes and heights of up to 1200 m. Did the Japanese go to the mountains, those with snow on the horizon, or were they limited only to the beach?

[Hiller]

I can judge using only PERSONAL experience. Happened to visit Oahu. The beaches there in Waikiki in Honolulu are excellent. I don't know about mountain shooters, but the Americans definitely took into account the sad experience of Pearl Harbor. Aviation, air defense and navy with marines are in abundance there. As for the Kuril Islands, it is also a PERSONAL experience. 3 years. And the trained infantrymen, of course, are not mountain argali, but they quite cope with the assigned tasks, and typhoons, and with snow on the Ivan the Terrible volcano, 1200m high, too.

[ycuce234-san]

It turns out that you still can't do without the basics of the initial mining training, and no matter what the infantrymen are taught, they don't rename. Then it is more logical to do it deliberately without bending the stick and not making a professional climber out of the infantry: i.e. the ability to productively use a mountain forest or cross a crevasse or river, walk on landslide and avalanche-prone places is useful for him, but to climb under oxygen along a steep wall or a glacier is not. Whoever needs it - he will go further himself, individually.
Fighters-climbers are now really in demand only somewhere on the Indo-Pakistani border in the Himalayas, where very extreme altitudes are found.

[Hiller]

Exactly. It is not by chance that I emphasized "prepared". Iturup - a view of the Vetrovaya Isthmus. To the left is the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, to the right is the Pacific Ocean.

[Boris Chernikov]

because the artillery is already there ... but the tanks, if used correctly, will go there ... the only thing that I would have supplemented the BMPT with Bakhchi ... but alas, the topic was closed long ago

[cat Rusich]

On the Kuril Islands it is necessary to place "Caliber-K", under the cover of air defense. The islands themselves are small and a mobile complex is not needed there. You can put several "containers" on an island and even control them by wire from a "bunker" or even from a neighboring island ... Give target designation from satellites, AWACS A-100 "Premier" and so on and so on.

Caliber-K

[Boris Chernikov]

there is a Bastion

[Evil 55]

Without normal military air defense, in the event of a conflict, it will be the second Karabakh ..

[Boris Chernikov]

and with normal air defense?)

[agond]

Quote: Angry 55

Without normal military air defense, in the event of a conflict, it will be the second Karabakh ..

Unfortunately, this is exactly the case, and then it is cheaper to send tanks than to strengthen air defense, (of course, tanks will not be superfluous) by the way, there are a lot of mountains, rocks, crevices on the islands, a lot of snow falls in winter, there are no roads on most islands, that is, it may be impossible to get over one side of the island to the other.

[Boris Chernikov]

hmm .. and you always have everything black or white? didn’t think that there was a COMPLEX APPROACH in the troops .. or did they put anti-aircraft gunners in our tanks?)

[Bat039]

The best defense of the islands is to sink enemy landing ships before they begin to unload the landing, and this does not require tanks, but the Navy + coastal anti-ship missiles covered with a multilayer air defense system. You can also think about installing coastal torpedo tubes. I remember these were used by the Norwegians when destroying the heavy Hitlerite cruiser Blucher

[Lara Croft]

And what did the T-80BV not please?

[Evil 55]

Diesel fuel is cheaper than kerosene ... And the T-80-oh and the Swallow, well, very picky about the quality of fuel ... categories ..

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Evil 55

Diesel fuel is cheaper than kerosene ... And the T-80-oh and Swallow, well, very picky about the quality of fuel ...

Thanks. I didn't think.

[Prisoner]

Those. ours admit that the Japanese can land on our islands ?!