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Turkey imposes military cooperation on Central Asian countries

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Turkey imposes military cooperation on Central Asian countries

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar made a number of planned visits to the countries of Central Asia. The main purpose of the trip is to strengthen and expand cooperation in the military sphere.


The head of the Turkish military department, having visited Pakistan, went to Kazakhstan, where he met with the Minister of Defense of the republic Nurlan Yermekbayev. During the meeting, the parties reportedly agreed to further expand military-technical cooperation. Nur Sultan named Ankara a strategic partner.

We discussed issues related to the further expansion of cooperation in the field of defense between our countries. Since there is a very close dialogue and cooperation between the heads of our states at the presidential level, our work was quite easy

- Akar said following the meeting, adding that meetings with the Minister of Industry and Infrastructure Development are also planned, where issues of cooperation in the field of defense cooperation will be discussed.

According to the Kazakh Minister of Defense, Turkey is a strategic partner of Kazakhstan. The countries have signed a number of agreements in the military sphere, including on the mutual protection of classified information.

After negotiations in Kazakhstan, the Turkish Minister of Defense arrived in Uzbekistan, where he held meetings with the President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev and Defense Minister Bakhodir Kurbanov.

The main topic of the talks was also the state and prospects of military and military-technical cooperation between the two countries. The parties agreed to implement programs in the field of training military personnel, establish contacts between specialized universities, exchange experience in training military units.

Relations between Turkey and Uzbekistan are based on centuries-old commonality storiesAnkara attaches particular importance to this. Ankara seeks to deepen relations with Tashkent in all areas. This includes trade, economic, social and political aspects and, of course, defense cooperation. We have made serious progress

- said the head of the Turkish Ministry of Defense.

The result of the meeting of the defense ministers of Turkey and Uzbekistan was the signing of an agreement on the development of military and military-technical cooperation between Uzbekistan and Turkey.
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  1. Cowbra
    Cowbra 28 October 2020 08: 33
    +2
    Pan-Turkism is not new, no matter how his ass is torn
    1. Asad
      Asad 28 October 2020 08: 39
      13
      They work for the good of their country, our officials also need to visit their neighbors more often so as not to be invited!
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 28 October 2020 08: 50
        +2
        You should not run / look after them.
        Russia is regaining its status as a leader in the military sphere.
        Should return the status of a leader in the economy.
        Only then "all flags will visit us."
        1. Temples
          Temples 28 October 2020 09: 15
          +9
          Quote: Livonetc
          Should return the status of a leader in the economy.

          What fairy tale did you read about leadership in economics?
          There is nothing to return.
          Never was there any leadership in the economy from the word at all.

          You need to create.
          And to create an economy for the person, not for the dough.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 28 October 2020 09: 17
            +4
            Do you think that the USSR was not one of the leaders of the world economy?
            And the Russian Empire, for example, in industrial production was in fourth position.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 28 October 2020 10: 26
              +9
              Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar made a number of planned visits to the countries of Central Asia. The main purpose of the trip is to strengthen and expand cooperation in the military sphere.
              - According to the Kazakh Minister of Defense, Turkey is a strategic partner of Kazakhstan.A number of agreements in the military sphere have been signed between the countries,
              - The result of the meeting of the defense ministers of Turkey and Uzbekistan was the signing of an agreement on the development of military and military-technical cooperation between Uzbekistan and Turkey.

              Don't wait Russia in the sense of keeping peace military cooperation between Turkey and Kazakhstan and Turkey with Uzbekistan is nothing good!
              Erdogan is the new radical Islamist Turkish-Nazi Fuehrer, like Hitler with his Third Reich, with his ruling war party in Turkey.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 28 October 2020 11: 10
            +3
            What fairy tale did you read about leadership in economics?
            There is nothing to return.

            With its economic breakthrough, the USSR has quite caught up with the leading capitalist economies. Unfortunately, not for long.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 October 2020 09: 32
          +7
          Quote: Livonetc
          You should not run / look after them.

          I don’t understand why so much unreasonable arrogant arrogance? We will not look after - others will dance the girl. Are you here crucifying that "Syria is needed", and Central Asia, therefore, no? "Will they come running themselves?"
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 28 October 2020 09: 55
            11
            Access to the market is needed.
            Economic ties are needed.
            Good neighborly relations are essential.
            The countries of Central Asia and Turkey and Iran are also needed.
            Only these ties need to be formed by competent foreign policy and economic activities, and not by distributing unjustified loans and chatter about great friendship.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 28 October 2020 13: 27
            0
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            We will not look after - others will dance the girl.

            It's not Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan who went to Turkey, but they went to them. Well, they signed, talked, stated, and what are the specific agreements?
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 28 October 2020 12: 02
          +7
          Quote: Livonetc
          Russia is regaining its status as a leader in the military sphere.
          Should return the status of a leader in the economy.

          Restore respect for Russians in their country and finally return all Russians to their homeland. And this is not yet visible. And others see it. What respect can there be for a country that does not respect one of the most fundamental ethnic groups in the country? And what kind of country will Russia be, in which Russians are not visible? Believe me, from the outside they are watching this carefully. hi
          1. Max-ttr
            Max-ttr 28 October 2020 13: 45
            +1
            Russians left for a better life. This is the economy in the first place. You must first raise the economy in Russia, and then invite someone home.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 28 October 2020 14: 51
              0
              Quote: Max-ttr
              Russians left for a better life.

              Is it to Central Asia under the USSR?
              Quote: Max-ttr
              You must first raise the economy in Russia, and then invite someone home.

              This reminds me of the rhetoric of the liberals. Nemtsovs, Gaidars, Chubais (they always care about the economy of the Russian Federation) and others like that. Is it worth looking into their biography and where are the Russians there?
      2. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 28 October 2020 09: 40
        -4
        Quote: ASAD
        Working for the good of their country

        Um, digging a hole for your loved ones - is it for your good? Original thought ...
      3. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 28 October 2020 09: 40
        10
        Quote: ASAD
        They work for the good of their country, our officials also need to visit their neighbors more often so as not to be invited!
        While the Turks are working, ours are resting on the Turkish shores ... request
        1. iouris
          iouris 28 October 2020 11: 52
          0
          Quote: Misha Honest
          ours are resting on the Turkish shores ...

          If my memory serves me, one of the chiefs of the GRU in this Turkey even drowned ... Imposed cooperation?
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 28 October 2020 16: 53
            0
            - Come on! How did he get there ?! They are not allowed to travel abroad for life ...
      4. Lexus
        Lexus 28 October 2020 12: 43
        +6
        "Our" love to drive to distant warm countries. It's more comfortable to nest there. Therefore, goods are systematically moved there and in every possible way please. To "fit in" "like clockwork".
    2. figwam
      figwam 28 October 2020 09: 11
      +5
      Turkish Defense Minister arrives in Uzbekistan after talks in Kazakhstan

      It looks like Turkey is really planning to create an army of Turan
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 28 October 2020 09: 32
        +6
        Quote: figvam
        It looks like Turkey is really planning to create an army of Turan

        Turkey can plan anything, but reality is important, not dreams. And the reality is like that. Central Asia is China's direct interest. Moreover, China regards Central Asia not just as a sphere of its interests, but simply as its territory. No army of "Turan", however great, though not great, China will not pull. China will soon wring out the disputed territories and Taiwan, and then the "sultan" decided to "poke" on the Chinese dragon, from which the American eagle already pooped in flight ?! Well, Well ... Let's see. wink
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 47
          -9
          Yes, let the dragon climb) we are not cold from him, not hot)
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 28 October 2020 09: 48
            0
            Quote: hydroy
            Yes, let the dragon climb) we are not cold from him, not hot)

            To you, who is this?
            1. hydroy
              hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 51
              0
              Russia, we do not care, we are losing Central Asia, new generations already live in their own countries, and not in the USSR)
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 28 October 2020 09: 58
                +8
                Quote: hydroy
                Russia,

                Russia should not be "all the same". But I don't really understand the policy of the current leadership of the Russian Federation.
                Quote: hydroy
                we are losing Central Asia, new generations already live in their own countries, and not in the USSR)

                Moreover, they have already lost. The CSTO is a dead organization, and how can countries be allies that have deployed American laboratories on their territory, running to bow to the United States for any reason ?! But this is IMHO. The leadership of the Russian Federation, apparently, has its own reasons. request
                1. sg7s
                  sg7s 29 October 2020 11: 47
                  -3
                  Yes, damn it, we have NO money either for OKDB or SCO, no MONEY !!! I am telling you this as the manager of the Swiss! We print it - it will be 120 per dollar, there is nothing to provide for the ruble, especially now (when no one needs oil and gas, and ANOTHER - well, we have NOTHING !!) There is NO technology from the word "absolutely"! When was the breakthrough in the USSR ?? D-1 engine (English), Brown's rockets, Kurchatov's developments (American (German)) ... That's it? no! Drunk himself confessed ... There are numbers - PPI, CPI, PMI, let's discuss, no - aufviderseen ... Well, we have NOTHING !!
      2. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 28 October 2020 09: 46
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        It looks like Turkey is really planning to create an army of Turan

        That is not a stupid Ottoman Empire laughing
      3. MTN
        MTN 28 October 2020 10: 44
        -5
        Quote: figvam
        It looks like Turkey is really planning to create an army of Turan

        God grant it would be faster. It will be a great block.
    3. deniso
      deniso 28 October 2020 09: 49
      +4
      I conducted an advertising campaign in Karabakh, now the salespeople have gone to sell the goods.
    4. iouris
      iouris 28 October 2020 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      Pan-Turkism is not new,

      And this time the intellectual and organizational resources of the British Empire are behind the "Turkish" project.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 28 October 2020 11: 08
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Pan-Turkism is not new, no matter how his ass is torn

      The Chinese rule there.
      China has also succeeded in providing military assistance to Uzbekistan. He supplied the country with small arms, mortars, cars for officials free of charge. Sergei Shoigu only proposes to organize mass training of Uzbek cadets in Russian universities and training centers, and the PRC has a corresponding agreement with Tashkent on this matter. It was signed during an official visit to Uzbekistan in December 2017 by a delegation of the PRC led by the then member of the State Council, Minister of Defense of the PRC, Colonel General Chang Wanquan. As it turns out, China has already delivered its FD-2000 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) to Uzbekistan (an analogue of the Russian S-300).
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 28 October 2020 13: 06
        0
        So I say - as if the mustache does not break the ass. He trampled everyone's tails - but what if they hit everyone's ears at once? Will wash away with Turkey!
      2. DEVIL LIFE`S
        DEVIL LIFE`S 28 October 2020 18: 07
        +2
        We bought FD 2000 for money
      3. DEVIL LIFE`S
        DEVIL LIFE`S 28 October 2020 18: 07
        +2
        We bought FD 2000 for money
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 October 2020 08: 38
    0
    The Turks squeeze out the maximum benefit from the situation that is favorable for them at the moment. We must pay tribute to the politicians.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 October 2020 08: 52
      +6
      so that they pissed out half of the world and now they also climbed to annoy China?) something does not seem at all like the right actions ...
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 28 October 2020 11: 32
        -1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        so that they pissed out half of the world and now they also climbed to annoy China?) something does not seem at all like the right actions ...

        It is possible that the Turks have already reached an agreement with China. It was not for nothing that the first point of the trip was Pakistan, China's strategic ally.
    2. times
      times 28 October 2020 09: 01
      20
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Turks squeeze out the maximum benefit from a favorable situation for them at the moment

      Strength is respected in the East. The actions of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are clear.
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 28 October 2020 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The Turks squeeze out the maximum benefit from the situation that is favorable for them at the moment. We must pay tribute to the politicians.

      The Turks are undeniably dizzy from momentary success. Which, as you know from history, often ends badly.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 October 2020 09: 36
        +1
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        The Turks are undeniably dizzy from momentary success.

        what kind of success?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 28 October 2020 09: 55
          +4
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          what kind of success?

          They, apparently, consider this to be the absence of obvious opposition to themselves in Syria, Libya and now in Azerbaijan.
          Their drones show themselves very well that we add bombast to them.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 28 October 2020 11: 35
          +1
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          The Turks are undeniably dizzy from momentary success.

          what kind of success?

          In Syria, the Turks have created a buffer zone.
          The Kurds are pinched in the same Syria, not allowing them to create autonomy. Again with gas we were bent, etc.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 October 2020 11: 41
            -1
            it is clear what this is about.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 28 October 2020 09: 37
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        The Turks are undeniably dizzy from momentary success. Which, as you know from history, often ends badly.

        An absolutely accurate remark, although there was no success there, not even momentary.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 28 October 2020 08: 41
    +5
    "They impose." If the countries of Central Asia did not want this, they would not cooperate. In the end, China is close by. That's who really imposes.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 28 October 2020 08: 43
    +2
    And sho, they don’t want a Turk to go to Geyrope, so he kicked up, he is building his own sphere of influence and intereses !!!
    This is NORMAL, EXPECTED, LOGICAL, in principle! another thing is that he began to build cooperation with Asia and Africa according to his preferences and rules !!! Here there can be an ambush or a torny path, we can't really see it from the sofa ... let's look at the results, because there are enough other interested persons !!!
    In general, time will tell.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 October 2020 09: 21
      +2
      He is preparing for Europe, only first he wants to create his own union ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 October 2020 09: 25
        +1
        Hi soldier
        In geyrope, in some countries, he already has his own, his own, and a LOT!
        Only the sales of Geyropa sent him to be the center of the universe, it is necessary to scatter many, many vectors, especially where he has more co-religionists. Moreover, he has already erected himself as a unifier. Nothing unexpected, by the way.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 October 2020 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Hi soldier
          In geyrope, in some countries, he already has his own, his own, and a LOT!


          A lot of this is putting it mildly, they are also united and now embittered by the antics of European tolerance ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 October 2020 09: 50
            +2
            You don't know what to expect anymore. Either the jamaat, or the sultanate ??? request
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 October 2020 11: 37
              +3
              So here's a picture, let's not say which city in Europe:

              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 October 2020 11: 40
                +1
                The black / green bandages don't seem to be visible, the weapon is out of sight .... looks like a future sultanate!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 28 October 2020 11: 44
                  +2
                  It seems yes, but what is not known better yet:

                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 28 October 2020 12: 49
                    +2
                    When anything, too much, is not just annoying, it is like a guide to action - it's time to level it up to reasonable, permissible values!
                    Only to gayropean it comes very slowly, although events are already almost leaping forward.
                    It is strange to see it.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 28 October 2020 13: 02
                      +3
                      It looks like they missed all the opportunities and no one knows what will happen next ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 October 2020 13: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        It looks like they missed all the opportunities and no one knows what will happen next ...

                        They overexposed in time, of course ... so also to do, align, soon there will be no one at all!
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 28 October 2020 13: 10
                        +3
                        And Europe will soon become Muslim, we may not survive, but the process is unambiguous ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 October 2020 13: 12
                        +1
                        I thought so, maybe it's better what will happen after us?
                        Although, I don't want to substitute my descendants, followers for this ...
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 28 October 2020 13: 22
                        +2
                        Russia has always lived peacefully, having different confessions, Orthodoxy simply prevailed, well, that's another question ...
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 28 October 2020 17: 04
          +2
          - Incorrect! This is a photo of the action of Jamaat al Islami activists at the US Embassy in Lahore, Pakistan ... 19.09. 2012. The Americans then showed some kind of movie, and these same activists considered it anti-Islamic! Prepare arguments more carefully, gentlemen! wink
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 October 2020 17: 11
            +1
            Maybe the Internet is not a reliable source, well then this one:

            1. saygon66
              saygon66 28 October 2020 17: 22
              +1
              - Another thing! This is Paris ... laughing
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2020 08: 48
    +4
    Turkey is treading a long-forgotten path. And the campaign is still successful for her.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 28 October 2020 08: 49
    -1
    Erdogan still decided to frolic in the Chinese sandbox?) Apparently he has ceased to be friends with reality ...
  • bald
    bald 28 October 2020 08: 51
    +4
    The Turks are not conquered - oh, they are crawling. But it is specifically preparing the ground (the road to Russia) and the states, no matter what relations with the Turks are, oh, how profitable. Turkey needs to be torn to pieces for a long time, to indicate its place, to start acting with pro-Western methods - a conflict from within, etc.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 28 October 2020 08: 54
    0
    Great Turanchik)
  • hydroy
    hydroy 28 October 2020 08: 56
    0
    Well, everything is clear) Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have problems with the growing sphere of influence of China) Russia is an "ally" to China) I wonder how the Kazakhs will then be in the CSTO and with Turkey in cooperation, in the case of a big kipish in the Middle East?)
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 28 October 2020 10: 00
      -3
      Kazakhs are members of the CSTO and the Turkic Council, and one does not interfere with the other. And I do not understand jealousy. Countries should cooperate, trade, this is natural.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 28 October 2020 10: 08
        +6
        Should cooperate? you tell me please, okay, your advice, diplomatic and trade alliance, but military cooperation with a country that is part of the NATO bloc, is this how to understand?) The military alliance should be ONE) period! And nobody stops diplomatic cooperation)
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 28 October 2020 10: 14
          +1
          Turkey is a manufacturer of many weapons, equipment, etc. Why not sell to Kazakhs or Uzbeks. Or CSTO prohibits them from buying something from third countries? Of course not.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 28 October 2020 10: 17
            -1
            The countries have signed a number of agreements in the military sphere, including on the mutual protection of classified information.
            I understand this is the performance characteristics of the technique, most likely! It's not very beautiful anyway) our technique is not worse
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 October 2020 08: 56
    -4
    Who would doubt that!
    But this is just a saying.
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 28 October 2020 09: 00
    +1
    The ambitions of the padishah are well known.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 28 October 2020 09: 39
      +2
      Quote: Trojan_Wolf
      The ambitions of the padishah are well known.

      Padishah, this is more likely to Iran, and here is the "sultan". wink
      1. DEVIL LIFE`S
        DEVIL LIFE`S 28 October 2020 18: 14
        0
        In Iran Shahanshah
  • askort154
    askort154 28 October 2020 09: 03
    +3
    The countries have signed a number of agreements in the military sphere, including on the mutual protection of classified information.

    Fine. "Sultan" has already entered the territory of the "CSTO" with its own charter and secrets.
    It doesn't work in the Middle East, it turned to Central Asia, to the Turkic-speaking region. And this is the idea of ​​the Anglo-Saxons. The "ring of anaconda", having girded Russia from the West, climbed into Central Asia, into the southern underbelly of Russia.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 October 2020 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      And this is the idea of ​​the Anglo-Saxons. The "anaconda ring", having girded Russia from the West, climbed into Central Asia, into the southern underbelly of Russia.

      I wrote about this recently in the comments, as well as minus you. But you are right, the Anglo-Saxons got into Central Asia, and the Sultan got the go-ahead from them to shake these republics.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 28 October 2020 09: 06
    +2
    Everything is correct. This is their job.

    Once I read a review on the trips of Yusovtsev for a long time. The president speaks mostly at home, several times every week, the vice-president travels around the world to events.
    Hard workers though.

    Something is wrong with us ...
  • Humpty
    Humpty 28 October 2020 09: 08
    +2
    There it turns out. I then thought why the Caspian flotilla from the Iranian shores of the barmaley in Syria trolled. And Iran probably does not have an agreement with Turkey on the exchange of classified information.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 28 October 2020 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: Humpty
      There it turns out. I was thinking why the Caspian flotilla from the Iranian shores of the Barmaley in Syria trolled

      The range was shown ... wink
      Quote: Humpty
      And Iran probably does not have an agreement with Turkey on the exchange of classified information.

      Military-technical cooperation implies the protection of information. Kazakhstan has been cooperating with the Turkish military-industrial complex for a long time. Now a path is being trodden to the Uzbeks. But there is one but. Merziyoyev understands very well that Turkey also supports the Islamists (Uzbeks).
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 28 October 2020 10: 00
        +4
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Military-technical cooperation implies the protection of information. Kazakhstan has been cooperating with the Turkish military-industrial complex for a long time. Now a path is being trodden to the Uzbeks. But there is one but. Merziyoyev understands very well that Turkey also supports the Islamists (Uzbeks).

        In the course that in Wed. Az. enough Turkish informers in high positions. And a joint unofficial business somewhere from Pakistan to Russia. Islamists are not listed among Uzbeks. Akayev was offered to ferment them together, but he refused, as it interfered with the democratic choice of Kyrgyzstan.
        Now it is quietly drinking in Moscow. By the way, when he was working at the academy, he often borrowed from the bubble and did not pay off his debts. The wife took away the entire salary.
  • maktub
    maktub 28 October 2020 09: 18
    +1
    Visited the countries of the CSTO
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 30
      -1
      Uzbekistan twice entered and twice left the CSTO) this is not very serious)
      1. maktub
        maktub 28 October 2020 09: 32
        +2
        And Kazakhstan is serious!
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 33
          -2
          Well, Kazakhstan will show off, but)
  • cniza
    cniza 28 October 2020 09: 18
    +9
    After negotiations in Kazakhstan, the Turkish Minister of Defense arrived in Uzbekistan, where he held meetings with the President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev and Defense Minister Bakhodir Kurbanov.


    No, Erdogan won't calm down so easily, he must be stopped ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 October 2020 09: 34
      +3
      To many he stepped on their favorite corn, however, everyone has no time, or what ??? so far, in all seriousness, no one has shipped the answer to the mind.
      In general, it is interesting, although everything is tense. Painfully zealously he joined us under the barrel and .... he tries only for himself!
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 October 2020 09: 43
        +7
        We are silent, we do nothing, so we are rushing to break ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 October 2020 09: 46
          +1
          The topic is muddy ... where is whose interesy, you can't figure it out without half a liter!
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 October 2020 11: 35
            +2
            A game is going on and God forbid that we understand this game and do not miss our interests ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 28 October 2020 11: 38
              +1
              Those who are supposed to play the "game" have, have, have a lot on their hands that we don't even know about.
              Therefore, when / if our players "sit in a puddle", it will not be very funny for us, who seem to be on the sidelines, on the rubble, but the extreme can be SIMPLY!
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 October 2020 11: 40
                +1
                In fact, every now and then the stakes are very high and we are hostages ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 28 October 2020 11: 43
                  +1
                  I would like to believe that our "players" are skillful ... so far it does not work, although with a high degree of certainty. As it is not ICE, in general.
                  Boom to look at the bottom line.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 28 October 2020 11: 46
                    +2
                    I always believe in the best, but even when the players were not very good, they changed them and straightened the situation ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 28 October 2020 12: 51
                      +1
                      We must try, look for the skilled, but the inept one must shuffle from place to place! This will never be the case.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 28 October 2020 13: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        inept to shuffle from place to place! This will never be the case.


                        This is our biggest problem, the "deck" is already frayed, and there are very few new "cards" and they are quickly erased.
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 October 2020 13: 10
                        +1
                        That's right, the new ones RUN, become AS EVERYTHING when they get into the old deck.
                        It is clear that it is dangerous to change everything at once, but if you change it partially, then leave only the most working and clean ones !!! about the rest to replenish freshly gradually.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 28 October 2020 13: 20
                        +2
                        That's just the point, the "cards" must go from bottom to top (you cannot become a minister without leading production), and horizontally they are overwritten very quickly ...
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 October 2020 13: 59
                        +1
                        All sorts of programs like "leaders ..", "new change" and others are different ... I would like to think that this is BZ well not casual !!! but the old, experienced FRAMEWORK have already experienced so much and grinded through their millstones ...
                        In short, it’s hard to believe, if not hard to believe at all.
                        Let's talk again - let's see how it goes, over and over again.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 36
    -6
    Well, it's not over yet) this is just the beginning of cooperation, which is logical) Turks and Europe are other civilizations, the Turkic civilization is powerful and the only one in Central Asia) Naturally, the formation of unions, blocs in Central Asia) This is how Russia should be) a mystery) in 10-20 years will go by generations of the USSR and there will be generations of the CIS, and then - more, Russia will lose its sphere of influence in Central Asia and will fight with China and Turkey for Central Asia
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 09: 58
      +4
      Quote: hydroy
      Turkic civilization is powerful and the only one in Central Asia

      there is no Turkic civilization, sorry, there are Turkic states with completely different mentality
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 28 October 2020 10: 19
        -4
        They are united into one civilization) the mentality is different, the civilization is the same, or do you think that the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are not the East Slavic civilization?) The mentality of Russians and Ukrainians is different)
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 10: 29
          +3
          apparently you are not quite in the subject
          Then, according to your logic, you need to add Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, to Russian civilization, etc.
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 28 October 2020 11: 25
            -2
            Once again, do not underestimate the commonality of the Turkic civilization) Ask an Uzbek who is his "brother", he will answer you that Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, and even Tajik, but hardly Russian)
            There is civilization and yes, different mentalities, but nevertheless, the Turks have a commonality and Turkey's plans are based on this: the unification of the Turkic peoples under the auspices of Pan-Turkism: why does Turkey train officers for Uzbekistan?) And also implants its interests there)
            I repeat: do not underestimate the Turkic civilization, now it is waking up! And Turkey awakens her)
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 12: 07
              +5
              Quote: hydroy
              Ask an Uzbek who is his "brother", he will answer you that Kazakh, Turkmen, Kirghiz, and even Tajik, but hardly Russian)

              yeah, especially in the border areas with Kazakhs and Kyrgyz
              Quote: hydroy
              I repeat: do not underestimate the Turkic civilization

              once again for you there is NO Turkic civilization there is a Turkic group of languages, Turkic countries and an attempt by Turkey to recreate an empire
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 28 October 2020 16: 25
              +1
              Once again, do not underestimate the commonality of the Turkic civilization)


              We also have a common Slavic civilization .. Ask a Pole, Ukrainian and Russian - what do they think of each other?
  • donavi49
    donavi49 28 October 2020 09: 41
    +3
    In Kazakhstan, friendship-love for a long time, if that. Aselsan even built a small factory - KAE.




    True, they bought the squadron not of Bayraktars, and not even TAI UAVs, but WingLongs drums.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 28 October 2020 16: 34
      0
      In addition to the exercises of the peacekeepers, and there are soldiers from several countries, I do not remember joint exercises with the Turks. Dzhaksybekov (Ministry of Defense 2009-2014) tried to conduct such, but I do not remember that they were carried out
      In addition to KAE (night vision devices, communication systems, sights, systems. Electric. Stabilization of fire - electrical and optical products; a little more than 100 people work), tried to establish production of Turkish armored personnel carriers. But the price and quality did not satisfy the military. Now we are assembling from South Africa with Russian and our own weapons ("Utes", resumed production).
      I read the comments and was surprised "kipish". Yes, Putin and Shoigu have more contacts with Turkish colleagues in comparison with ours (RK and RU) - Shoigu spoke with his Turkish colleague on October 13! hi
  • askort154
    askort154 28 October 2020 09: 45
    +3
    cniza ...No, Erdogan won't calm down so easily, he must be stopped ...

    There is no one to stop him. He understands this and becomes even more impudent. The fact that he turned to the East is a balm for Europe and the United States. This is exactly what they need. Now it can only be stopped by Russia, Iran, China - but this is purely theoretical.
    At least they concluded such a triple alliance, and it would immediately cool both Erdogan and the Anglo-Saxons. hi
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 28 October 2020 10: 10
    +2
    People work for the good of their people, and do not steam in the bathhouse in the hands of beer. It is not for this that voters voted for a party that then appoints its bureaucrats. And what kind of jealousy, who holds you by the hand, you have to work, be better than yours. competitor. Or do you think everyone needs permission asks what to do?
    1. MTN
      MTN 28 October 2020 10: 43
      -4
      And Turkey is talking about it. Turkic army. Sounds pretty. The Turks are doing the right thing. We started with the Uzbeks. Then Kazakhstan. Turanian army TO BE !!!
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 28 October 2020 11: 28
        +1
        Hmm, well, let's see, let's see)
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 28 October 2020 13: 51
        0
        Quote: MTN
        Turanian army TO BE !!!

        Congratulations. It remains only to buy the packages.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 October 2020 09: 37
    -2
    Quote: cniza
    After negotiations in Kazakhstan, the Turkish Minister of Defense arrived in Uzbekistan, where he held meetings with the President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev and Defense Minister Bakhodir Kurbanov.


    No, Erdogan won't calm down so easily, he must be stopped ...

    It's not profitable. Both we and the States are turning the Turks from the West to the East, namely to the East, where, by the way, there have never been any territories of the Ottoman Empire and we are deploying with only one goal - opposing the quiet and creeping occupation of the whole of Central Asia by China.
    Turkey supports the Uighurs, stepping on the sore spot of the Chinese, and acting there both through Islamism and through Pan-Turkism, and this is just about Erdogan.
    You need to understand a simple thing we now need China and we cannot butt with it in Central Asia and spoil relations, that's why we let a young Turkish bull go there.
    Who does not know I will remind you. China has already wrested part of the Soviet territory from Tajikistan by changing its borders, and this despite our base and presence. I got into Turkmenistan thoroughly both through gas and through military-technical cooperation. He actively invests in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, penetrates more and more into Kyrgyzstan ...
    So, in general, a VERY correct policy and it is in our interests.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 41
      0
      The policy may be correct, but how will these unions assess the Turkic-speaking peoples of Russia?)
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 42
      +2
      On the one hand, the unification of the Turkic civilization, on the other, Russia will not agree to this even by launching a bull) Too much strengthening of separatism in southern Russia after the emergence of a new force ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 28 October 2020 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: hydroy
        unification of the Turkic civilization,

        Did you know that Turkish pogroms took place in a whole series of Central Asian limitrophes? Explain to the Turkmens and Yakuts the "unity of civilization". In the USSR they tried, they did a little. And who the Turks are is quite plausibly shown in the films that once won the Oscar. Lawrence of Arabia and the Midnight Express. Previously, it was possible to shoot such films, now they are not allowed.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 28 October 2020 11: 35
          0
          First, it is the unification in Central Asia, and the gradual liberation of the spheres of China and Russia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia. Further - a march to the north, help Turkic-speaking in Russia - Tatars, Bashkirs, peoples of the Caucasus, then it will come to the Yakuts) there, too, not everything is simple and the Yakuts are overshadowed that having such land resources, they do not get rich very much)
          1. Humpty
            Humpty 28 October 2020 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: hydroy
            First, it is the unification in Central Asia, and the gradual liberation of the spheres of China and Russia,

            For at least 8 years they have not been able to decide between themselves where the Turan should be. In Turkey, they believe that it should be from them to Yakutia inclusive. And in Kazakhstan, they do not quite agree with this, they believe that it is from Altai to the White Sea. They are not a guide to the Kyrgyz, they regret the loss of their empire from Baikal to the Caspian Sea. The Uighurs have little free time, they are retraining in China. Quietly sad at night about the loss of the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Shantar Islands. The Uzbeks do not care, they have the grave of Tamerlane. But no one will refuse Turkish money, if they give it.
          2. Alevil
            Alevil 28 October 2020 14: 09
            0
            Are your lips too loose? Russia has rolled its lips so nimble many times. Will roll and more than once. The Turks will scatter again to their burrows and will again beg for mercy. As far as unity is concerned, there are so many contradictions that it is impossible to count. And the Turks will treat the outskirts as the periphery, siphoning resources from the gullible. They will remember even in Central Asia how Tamerlane Bayazid beat laughing
    3. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 28 October 2020 11: 07
      0
      Quote: Azimuth
      It's not profitable. Both we and the States are turning the Turks from the West to the East, namely to the East, where, by the way, there have never been any territories of the Ottoman Empire and we are deploying with only one goal - opposing the quiet and creeping occupation of the whole of Central Asia by China.


      Turkey is much more dangerous than China in Central Asia. Considering the cultural and historical ties of the Turkic peoples, after all, Erdogan's goal is to unite these countries under his own banners and include them in the new Ottoman Empire, while China has only economic expansion and their interests lie all over the world + they will not spoil relations with Russia, since in in their project of the new Silk Road, Russia plays an essential role, i.e. goods go through our territory to the EU. Of course, China has other branches, but given our forced partnership (in all areas), no one will just destroy it, especially China surrounded by countries with which it has territorial disputes and conflicts, so they really need a calm north. And the culture of the PRC is specific ... but Turkey is another matter, with Russia there are more contradictions than joint projects, and for Erdogan there is no question of choice ... good relations with Russia or the creation of the Ottoman Empire, i.e. here he made a choice long ago.
      1. flicker
        flicker 29 October 2020 01: 30
        0
        for Erdogan there is no question of choice ... good relations with Russia or the creation of the Ottoman Empire, i.e. here he made a choice long ago.
        To the horror, first of all, of the Turks themselves. For even before Erdogan, the Anglo-Saxons chose this path for Turkey, after which the active reformatting of sentiments in Turkish society began from joining the EU towards neo-Ottomanism.
        When a large part of the population (mainly a province) of Turkey breathed with the idea of ​​reviving the neo-Ottoman empire, the Anglo-Saxons found a leader for the Turks: on the one hand, a heated nationalist, and on the other, simply ignorant.
        Well, the leader has already driven Turkey towards neo-Ottomanism (read: he began to climb into all conflicts).
        Well, so that he does not stray from the course, they put a lookout for him (Hakan Fidan)
        When it is needed (whether he fulfills his function or does not) he (Erdogan) will be safely eliminated, along with neo-Ottomanism, and most likely together with Turkey.
        ---
        In the meantime, let him gallop to a neo-Ottoman dream or to the great Turan - read: to his own death.
        ---
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 October 2020 09: 39
    +2
    Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar made a number of planned visits to the countries of Central Asia
    Political scientists are right when they assert that Erdogan's aspirations are not only the Caucasus, but also Central Asia, and through it to Russia. Here he adheres to American tactics - systematically, brazenly, along the path of least resistance. And if it is not stopped in time, then we should expect trouble for Russia in Tatarstan, Crimea and the North Caucasus. And he doesn’t care about the allegedly "close economic ties" with our country, open and unspoken agreements when he rushes to his cherished goal - the restoration of the Ottoman Empire.
  • deniso
    deniso 28 October 2020 09: 48
    0
    Another attempt to revive the Ottoman Empire?
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 50
      0
      with even more resources)
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 October 2020 09: 55
    +3
    Relations between Turkey and Uzbekistan are based on the centuries-old commonality of history, Ankara attaches particular importance to this.
    And what kind of commonality can there be with Turkey when there is no border between them. Uzbekistan has more ties with Iran than with Turkey, and the capital of Tamerlane was in Samarkand. Uzbekistan was formed under the USSR from the Bukhara Emirate, the Kokand Khanate and the Khiva Khanate. A completely different story without any commonality with Turkey. The sultan pours his mouth against his own pie.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 09: 57
      0
      maybe only ethnic)
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 24
        0
        Quote: hydroy
        maybe only ethnic

        And even then only this ethnic group remained on paper, for a thousand years it has been so mixed up that you will not understand that the Uzbeks and the Turks are one ethnic group.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 09: 56
    +3
    the keyword imposes, and we chew snot there and crumple like a schoolgirl at the first disco
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 28 October 2020 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      and we chew snot there and wrinkle like a schoolgirl at the first disco

      Come on, tell us what we need to do there?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 10: 18
        +5
        for a start, stop chewing snot, you know that the same Kazakhs closed the air for our TV long before the Sumerians, that Russophobia is flourishing there frankly at the level of leadership
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 28 October 2020 11: 54
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          to start chewing snot stop

          How to do it? Specifically your proposal.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          you know that the same Kazakhs closed the air for our TV long before the Sumerians, that Russophobia is flourishing there frankly at the level of leadership

          Earlier I wrote that the countries that provided their territory for the US laboratories cannot be allies by definition. I know everything, including the transition of Kazakhstan to the Latin alphabet (which is very similar to Turkey).
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2020 12: 05
            0
            demand harshly, do not mumble, tie all help solely on fulfilling the conditions
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 28 October 2020 12: 44
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              demand harshly, do not mumble, tie all help solely on fulfilling the conditions

              I would add, sometimes cruel. wink
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 28 October 2020 10: 03
    0
    Here yesterday the Armenians analyzed the collapsed Bayraktar drones and found nothing Turkish except the chassis tires in them, everything from the engine and guidance systems to the gas pump - everything was produced in Europe, the USA, Canada.
    And who will risk military-technical cooperation with these cheats?
    The lot of Asians to graze cattle, trade in bazaars, and bake kebabs.
    1. flicker
      flicker 29 October 2020 01: 06
      0
      Yesterday the Armenians analyzed the crashed Bayraktar drones and found nothing Turkish except the chassis tires in them,
      They were not attentive - even the paint with which the flag was drawn and the inscriptions were made lol
  • Humpty
    Humpty 28 October 2020 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: hydroy
    maybe only ethnic)

    Only partially. At present, Uzbeks are a kind of aggregate of unrelated peoples in one state. Persians, Turks, Arabs, etc. It was the same under the khanates. Instead of Farsi, one of the Turkic dialects with a strong Persian admixture was made the state language in Soviet times.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 October 2020 11: 27
      0
      in any case, the Turks are betting on the Turkic-speaking ethnic groups)
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 31
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      At present, Uzbeks are a kind of aggregate of unrelated peoples in one state. Persians, Turks, Arabs, etc.

      And they never had anything in common with the Turks, and even now they do not. But the Sultan wants to show that all the Turks are brothers, either naive or very cunning. Although Anglo-Saxon ears stick out of all these movements.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 28 October 2020 10: 34
    0
    Turkey replaces everything it can!
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 October 2020 11: 58
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    Quote: Azimuth
    It's not profitable. Both we and the States are turning the Turks from the West to the East, namely to the East, where, by the way, there have never been any territories of the Ottoman Empire and we are deploying with only one goal - opposing the quiet and creeping occupation of the whole of Central Asia by China.


    Turkey is much more dangerous than China in Central Asia. Considering the cultural and historical ties of the Turkic peoples, after all, Erdogan's goal is to unite these countries under his own banners and include them in the new Ottoman Empire, while China has only economic expansion and their interests lie all over the world + they will not spoil relations with Russia, since in in their project of the new Silk Road, Russia plays an essential role, i.e. goods go through our territory to the EU. Of course, China has other branches, but given our forced partnership (in all areas), no one will just destroy it, especially China surrounded by countries with which it has territorial disputes and conflicts, so they really need a calm north. And the culture of the PRC is specific ... but Turkey is another matter, with Russia there are more contradictions than joint projects, and for Erdogan there is no question of choice ... good relations with Russia or the creation of the Ottoman Empire, i.e. here he made a choice long ago.

    You are comparing the incomparable China and Turkey ... Today and in the near future, Turkey cannot pose a threat to us, especially in theaters far from its borders.
    And let me remind China of this nuclear superpower.
  • iouris
    iouris 28 October 2020 13: 24
    0
    Consent is a product of the non-resistance of the "imposed" party. The one who "imposes" is deeply selfless. Is that what he wants?
  • flicker
    flicker 28 October 2020 13: 44
    +1
    According to the Kazakh Minister of Defense, Turkey is a strategic partner of Kazakhstan.

    Hmm, "strategic partnership" - the likelihood that Turkey will cease to exist in the next 3-5 years is very high.
    For Erdogan is an Anglo-Saxon PROJECT.
    Erdogan is a hot nationalist, determined, charismatic, power-hungry and (crucially) poorly educated. It was the combination of these qualities that ensured Erdogan's path to the leadership of Turkey.
    Turkey, which abandons the secular path of development, will turn towards neo-Ottomanism or Pan-Turkism.
    ---
    Such a turn of Turkey would not be possible (conditionally) with Ataturk, an educated and far-sighted man.
    For such a turn, a leader with the qualities of Erdogan was needed.
    He was found.
    Now Turkey is galloping (under the approving hooting of the Turkish province) to its pan-Turkic or neo-Ottoman "GREAT", destroying everything around it.
    ---
    And in order for this path to seem successful, the Anglo-Saxons (together with Israel) actively began to supply the Turkish army with important components.
    Which, by the way, will stop at the right time.
    ---
    Pan-Turkism (or neo-Ottomanism) is an instrument in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons, and it will exist exactly as long as the Anglo-Saxons need.
    Hopes that the Turks will come to their senses and a new Ataturk will appear are practically zero.
    As soon as the tool does its job (or does not do it), the owners will destroy it immediately. In fact, Turkey is doomed, like its "strategic partners".
    ---
    Well, what kind of "strategic partnership" was the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan talking about?
  • saygon66
    saygon66 28 October 2020 17: 36
    -1
    - There was already such a "unifier" - Saddam Hussein's name ...
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 October 2020 21: 32
    0
    Quote: flicker
    According to the Kazakh Minister of Defense, Turkey is a strategic partner of Kazakhstan.
    Such a turn of Turkey would not be possible (conditionally) with Ataturk, an educated and far-sighted man.
    For such a turn, a leader with the qualities of Erdogan was needed.
    He was found.
    Now Turkey is galloping (under the approving hooting of the Turkish province) to its pan-Turkic or neo-Ottoman "GREAT", destroying everything around it.
    What you write is easy to see from the Turks who work for us, the narrow-minded lumpen idolize him, the educated engineering and technical staff, especially the older generation, are not delighted with what he does.

    The British are not the same for a long time and do not do anything that would go against the policy of the States.
  • fif21
    fif21 28 October 2020 21: 52
    +1
    The Kremlin's toothless and servile policy will bring many more unpleasant surprises. Russia's southern "underbelly" is heating up. hi
  • Roust
    Roust 29 October 2020 07: 33
    0
    This already took place in the early 90s ... Then even the officers of the former TurkVo were sent to study in Turkey for a year. And all the same, do not care, the eastern mentality is as follows: whoever makes a gift will be smiled at, whoever is stronger will be friends with him. At one time they smiled at both the Turks and the Americans, but they are friends, anyway, with the Russians. But.
  • Financier
    Financier 1 November 2020 23: 38
    12
    Turkey imposes military cooperation on Central Asian countries

    A holy place is never empty. If we are not trying to "impose" our cooperation, then the Turks are trying not to miss the opportunity that has opened up.