The forthcoming attempt to storm the Lachin corridor will present Baku with a number of surprises. Will the involvement of the Russian military contingent be required?

While competent sources in the Armenian defense department, including the representative of the Ministry of Defense Artsrun Hovhannisyan, continue to saturate the Armenian and Karabakh media space with highly controversial information about the "limited" use of the link of multifunctional super-maneuverable fighters of the "4 ++" generation in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, as well as masterly pour out victorious reports about the interception by the units of the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Armed Forces of initiatives in the southern operational direction of the NKR, motorized rifle units of the Azerbaijani Army, having secured artillery and aviation support, in the shortest possible time carried out successful offensive "throws" along the beds of the Aker and Vorotan rivers (moving out of the vicinity of the city of Vardanats), as well as along the Khovuslu - Aygeovit highway.

Ultimately, this step provided the enemy with the establishment of fire control over N of the item. Tigranavan with the prospect of further continuation of offensive actions in the direction of the strategically important Lachin corridor, which is a critical element of the Yerevan-Goris-Stepanakert highway, providing transport links between the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Armenia (as you know, the loss of the city of Berdzor and the Lachin corridor will exclude the possibility of operational redeployment to the Karabakh The theater of operations of additional units of the Ground Forces and the missile forces and artillery of Armenia, not to mention the timely provision of military-technical support to the units of the NKR Defense Army).

In the confrontation for control of the Lachin corridor, a turning point in the current round of the Karabakh conflict will come

In the current situation, the most eloquent confirmation of the limited or tactically unverified (single / "farm") use of modern self-propelled military anti-aircraft missile systems "Tor-M2MKM" by the Armenian air defense forces, as well as the lack of regular patrolling of the airspace of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic by those who recently entered combat units The Armenian Air Force multifunctional Su-30SM fighters is the unhindered use of the QFAB-250LG corrected high-explosive fragmentation bombs by the tactical aviation of the Azerbaijan Air Force against the strongholds and fortifications of the NKR Defense Army in the southern part of the unrecognized republic, which was captured by the WESCAM CMX turret optical-electronic complex a few days earlier. 15D of the Azerbaijani attack and reconnaissance UAV "Bayraktar TB2" for further demonstration in the media space.

Being a conceptual and constructive analogue of the Israeli guided aerial bomb (UAB) "Lizard" with a semi-active laser seeker and having a mass of 250 kg, developed by specialists of the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan (with the assistance of the Turkish military-industrial company ASELSAN) adjustable aerial bomb QFAB-250LG (due to the payload limit UAV "Bayraktar", which is 150 kg) can be placed exclusively on the hardpoints of multipurpose combat training fighters MiG-29UB, attack aircraft Su-25 and training aircraft Aermacchi M-346, as well as multifunctional tactical fighters of generation "4+" F -16C Block 50+ of the Turkish Air Force, redeployed to the AvB Gabala. Moreover, the QFAB-250LG aerial bombs do not have dorsal kits of folding wings, which excludes the possibility of using the former in a gliding mode, which ensures that the launch lines (in this case, dropping from the carriers' suspension nodes) are far beyond the interception radii of the Armenian Tor-M2MKM air defense systems, as well as the R-27ER and RVV-SD (R-77-1) medium / long-range guided air combat missiles integrated into the ammunition load of the Armenian Su-30SM.

Consequently, during the use of QFAB-250LG air bombs, the tactical aviation of the Azerbaijan Air Force (and, possibly, the Turkish Air Force) freely operated in the immediate vicinity (less than 10 km) of the airspace of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, without encountering any resistance from the link of the Armenian Su- 30SM, the pilots of which (in the case of permanent patrolling) could detect in advance tactical enemy fighters "sneaking" in the terrain enveloping mode by means of the N011M Bars-R onboard radar, and then destroy them with the R-77-1 URVB a few minutes before reaching the bomb drop lines. Unfortunately, this did not happen.

Meanwhile, in spite of the above circumstances, some Karabakh and Armenian military experts still provide very optimistic forecasts regarding both the preservation of airspace control over the central regions of Artsakh by the units of the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Air Defense Forces, as well as regarding the preservation of the combat stability of the units and fortified areas of the NKR Defense Army and the Armenian Armed Forces holding the defense of Berdzor and the Lachin corridor. Thus, the famous Armenian military leader and veteran of the first Karabakh war, Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan, who at one time earned the front-line nickname Commandos, came to the conclusion that "the enemy has lost air supremacy, which is why it is necessary to be patient and wait for new successes." Undoubtedly, the above forecasts and the statement of Mr. Ter-Tadevosyan are completely reasonable.

In particular, based on the information received several days earlier about the deployment by the garrisons of the 102nd Russian military base (military unit 04436) of a military field camp, as well as an observation and stronghold on the dominant heights near the Armenian city of Goris, it is easy to come to the conclusion that that the main points in the functional list of these objects are both the demonstration of the presence of the Russian Armed Forces (as a guarantor of security) in the active sector of the Karabakh theater of operations as part of the military-technical support of Armenia through the CSTO, and the provision of a deterrent ("sobering") effect on the command of the Armed Forces Azerbaijan in case of another attempt to move in the direction of the Lachin corridor.

It would be extremely naive to assume that in light of the escalation of the Karabakh conflict and the high activity of the air attack weapons of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, these objects will operate "in the open air" without appropriate cover with a powerful layered anti-aircraft / anti-missile "barrier" A2 / AD, formed not by a couple of scattered on the terrain of the "ancient" air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and a single S-300PS battalion with the 30N6E illumination radar turned off, and the S-300V anti-aircraft missile system and several batteries of Armenian and Russian air defense systems "Tor-M2MKM" and "Pantsir-C1", aggregated into a network-centric air defense-missile defense system by means of the unified battery command posts "Ranzhir-M" and "Polyana-D4M1").

It is also worth noting the fact that several dominant heights south and north of Goris, which are at the disposal of the motorized rifle and artillery units of the NKR JSC and the Armed Forces of Armenia, as well as the Armenian air defense troops, firstly, ensure the establishment of permanent visual and fire control (with the ability to fire at suppression by direct fire from anti-tank artillery) of the Tigranavan-Berdzor and Shushi-Berdzor highways, which are critical for the regular Azerbaijani army, secondly, they allow increasing the range of the radio horizon of the radar detectors of the Tor-M2KM self-propelled air defense systems in the complex elevated terrain of Artsakh, providing an opportunity in advance detection of "Harop" and other means of air attack of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, "seeping" between the ridges of Karabakh.

Comments

[Cottager452]

Wah! What a smart man!

[Siberian 66]

He reminds me of our head teacher. Smart, well-read, but seeing life only on paper in the form of orders, orders, reports, analyzes and is completely divorced from real life.

[Grandfather]

you need to think three times before reading the Author Damantsev.

[Evil543]

Guessed the author by the title of the article the first time.

[faiver]

You are not the only one who guessed it

[The leader of the Redskins]

And I am by the abundance of alphanumeric codes for air defense systems)))
Here, the VO editorial board is probably missing the opportunity to obtain material benefits. If Damantsev's articles are sent to the General Staff of Armenia, then you can get not a bad gesheft! And if at the same time in the General Staff of Azerbaijan, then, in general, get rich!

[TermNachTer]

Likewise. I read the first few lines and went straight to the comments)))) the situation for Armenians is difficult, but by no means hopeless. BTR - 70s appeared on the vidosics from the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. It must be understood that 80s have already ended or have been transferred to a more dangerous direction. And for the mountains 70 - ka is very sad.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dead Day

you need to think three times before reading the Author Damantsev.

And three times after.

[Artavazdych]

Take three times, I would say

[vlad106]

Quote: Dead Day

you need to think three times before reading the Author Damantsev.

Well, he, the author is trying so hard ...))

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Summer Resident452

Wah! What a smart man!

Even very smart ones sometimes fall into a delusional state. Show the flag is one thing, and participation is another. From the beginning, Pashinyan and his gang of grant-eaters should leave Armenia, then NGOs, and only then we will persuade the Azeris to stop, they say, you have enough victories for your image.

[Boris Chernikov]

but you can do the opposite ... if Baku invades Armenia to break through a corridor to Nakhichevan, then ours can strike and transfer the airborne regiment with reinforcement, and under this hassle the local security forces will arrest Pashinyan ..

[Alex777]

then ours can strike

What hangover? What other blows?
Did you manage to escape from the hospital?

[Boris Chernikov]

yes, banal, to warn that it is better not to climb and zhahnat from our planes in front of the positions of Azerbaijanis ..

[Alex777]

Wrong place, wrong time, wrong method.
This is exactly the case when patience allows you to see your enemy carried past your house.

[Boris Chernikov]

or that your "ally" will go over to the side of the enemy .. there is an opinion that Pashinyan is merging Karabakh in order to weaken the pro-Russian forces, and then blame Russia for the lack of assistance and leave the CSTO

[Seal]

And the flag in hand. The fact that Armenia remained a member of the CSTO after Azerbaijan left it is a shame and shame. Even NATO does not accept those who have claims to the current NATO members. For example, Turkey and Greece were accepted into NATO at the same time. And only after these two countries officially announced that they had no claims to each other.
And in the CSTO, we accepted a country that not only has a claim to its neighbor, who also applied to join the CSTO, but occupied 20% of its territory.
Suppose we could then reassure ourselves that we would settle the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict behind closed doors within the framework of the CSTO. But they didn’t ruin it !!!!!
And Azerbaijan, because of our then clearly pro-Armenian policy, did not begin to prolong its membership in the CSTO in 1999.
We had two options at the time. Either keep Azerbaijan in the OBKD by all means, or at the same time freeze Armenia's membership.
But we didn't do either one or the other. As a result, the victim of aggression left the defensive alliance, while the aggressor remained.
But nothing. Everything will return to normal. Either Azerbaijan will return, or we will exclude Armenia.
As soon as the simple truth reaches us - Armenia is in the CSTO with the blessing of the United States.

[Boris Chernikov]

um ... what hangover should the Armenians be driven from?

[Seal]

Nazis, sir. The monument to Nazi Nzhdeh was unveiled in Yerevan on "Republic Day" in 2016, which is celebrated in Armenia on May 28. Pashinyan at that time was nothing and his name was nothing. But here, from the official website of the President of Armenia.
https://www.president.am/ru/press-release/item/2016/05/28/President-Serzh-Sargsyan-opening-ceremony-monument-of-Garegin-Nzhdeh/

"President Serzh Sargsyan today attended the solemn ceremony of unveiling a monument to the political and military leader, national ideologist Garegin Nzhdeh. It was opened in the administrative district of Kentron (Center), in a park adjacent to Hanrapetutyan (Republic) street. Sculptor - Gagik Stepanyan, architect - Aslan Mkhitaryan. The monument was opened by the Mayor of Yerevan Taron Margaryan and the great-grandson of Garegin Nzhdeh Armen Babayan. The RA President laid flowers at the monument and paid tribute to the memory of the outstanding figure. "

Well, plus the state interests of Russia.
We urgently need to start pushing Turkey out of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, Azerbaijan will completely go under Turkey. And we need him to be with us. Or at least in equal shares with us and with Turkey. Therefore, we urgently need to start providing assistance to Azerbaijan. Well, for example, to raise in the CSTO the question of freezing Armenia's membership in the CSTO in connection with the shelling of the territory of a CIS member Azerbaijan from the territory of Armenia. It goes without saying that we need to stop any supply of weapons and ammunition to Armenia, which should be widely announced. Losing Azerbaijan is 1 million times more dangerous for us than Armenia. Which (Armenia), moreover, is actually oriented towards the USA and is its loyal vassal. However, not free. Armenia (and Karabakh) receive enormous financial support from the United States. In total, from the American continent (including both Americas) from the moment of the collapse of the USSR to the present, at least 100 BILLION dollars have been transferred to Armenia and Karabakh.
So, if in Armenia, where, by the way, even under Sargsyan, a whole network of American bacteriological laboratories was widely deployed, a NATO military base will also appear - for us this is nonsense. Let's just assume that the fifth point of the current NATO member Turkey has slightly increased. But if a NATO base appears in Azerbaijan on the border with Dagestan, this will pose a real threat to us. NATO fleet will appear in the Caspian Sea !!! Then NATO will drag Kazakhstan to itself.

[Seal]

And now I will repeat. There was no special recruitment for the Janissaries. Recruiters periodically traveled around the Ottoman Empire, recruiting for the civil service. Yes, from among Christians. And only the citizens of Turkey itself. Selected carefully. Both locally and in Constantinople. Small children were not taken. Since it is not known what will grow out of the child. And at 12-15 years old, he can already show dexterity and strength and intelligence. The smartest already in Constantinople were assigned to a higher school, so to speak, in order to prepare for the replacement of higher government posts. It is not for nothing that for almost 200 hundred years, only Christians became the first (or main) viziers. And the Chief Vizier is the second most important (after the Sultan) public office. See the list of Chief Viziers.
Those who are a little less intelligent were assigned to school more simply. Well, those who had more dexterity and strength than intelligence - those identified in the Janissaries.
The Janissaries did not disappear anywhere. All were in or around Constantinople. Being taken from the family already in their teens, they perfectly remembered who they were, where they came from and who their parents were. Sultans paid their janissaries pretty well. And the Janissaries for one of their salaries could well support their entire family (parents, brothers, sisters). In history, there has never been a more or less massive escape from the Janissary corps, and even more so the transition of the Janissaries to the side of the enemy. This suggests that the Janissaries had the motivation to serve well and serve precisely the Ottoman Empire. If some captive children were taken to the Janissaries by force, then the picture would be completely different.
We look, whether there were recorded in the history of cases of the transition of Janissaries to the side of the enemy?
- No, history does not know such cases.
Were there any cases of desertion of the Janissaries from the battlefield or their military campaign?
- I theoretically admit that they were, but history does not know such cases.
Yes, the janissaries periodically overthrew the sultans. But they did not betray the Ottoman Empire and the Ottoman Dynasty. They simply overthrew one Ottoman sultan and installed another.
And what follows from the foregoing. And this is what follows:
- It can be assumed that the Turks were super-masters of brainwashing and completely changed the worldview of Slavic boys forcibly recruited into the janissaries. In my opinion, nonsense.
- It can be assumed that the Slavic boys were so indifferent to their families that when they got into the Janissaries, they completely forgot both their origin and their relatives. In my opinion this is also nonsense.
So what follows from the fact that the Janissaries did not betray the Ottoman Empire and the Ottoman Dynasty and from the fact that it was impossible for our Slavic children to brainwash completely, until they completely forgot themselves.
So all this is just that the Janissaries had a high motivation for the service. And this motivation was not based on fear or brainwashing at all. But she was conscious. That is, the appeal to the Janissaries was first voluntary, and secondly prestigious. This was a typical call to the Life Guard. Just according to Turkish characteristics, the Turks themselves were not taken to the Sultan's Life Guards. It is possible not to have options when Turkish officials have sons near the Sultan. Another feature of the Ottoman Empire was that for 200 years, or even more, the next sultan who ascended the throne was obliged to give an order to kill his brothers. Cruel, but for the good of the State is useful.

Yes, and, by the way, the Slavic stage in janism was not so long. Since 1683, they began to take Muslim children to the Janissaries. ... They began to start families, engage in trade and craft.
And before the janissaries began to officially take Muslim Turks, even foreign travelers testified that before the recruiter's arrival in this or that province of Turkey, other Muslim families agreed with their Christian neighbors so that Christians marry off their child - a child from a neighboring Muslim family ... After all, the Turks themselves had to somehow break out into the people.

[vlad106]

Quote: Seal

Christians passed off for their child - a child from a neighboring Muslim family. After all, the Turks themselves had to somehow break out into the people.

far-sighted however!

[nobody75]

[quote] And now I will repeat. There was no special recruitment for the Janissaries [/ quote]
How then do you translate the term "devshirme"? How is the "set"?
Here is what D. Nicole writes about this:
[quote] Devshirme was based on the recruitment of one child from
every 40 yards. Recruitment was carried out in the Balkan regions approximately every 5 years. At its most developed
variant devshirme forcibly mobilized from 1000 to 3000 young men annually, and the total number
slaves recruited for military service reached 8000 a year. [/ quote]
Then you write:
[quote] Recruiters periodically traveled around the Ottoman Empire, recruiting for government service. [/ quote]
This is how the author mentioned above describes the work of these "recruiters":
[Quote] The sultan's edict - the farman - opened the devshirme. Then an officer with the rank of no lower than a yyabashi with letters confirming
his powers, accompanied by several shuruju ("drovers"), a scribe and with a supply of uniform, was sent to a certain
a region inhabited by Christians. Local Christian priests were required to collect boys with baptismal certificates. Those fit for service were put on a list, one copy of which was handed over to the shuruju. The latter accompanied the recruits to Istanbul. The capital has the smartest recruits
enrolled in ich oglan ("boys for internal service"). They were sent to the School of the Sultan's Palace. In the future, with a certain amount of luck, a brilliant career awaited them. The rest fell into the category of ajemi oglan ("boys for external service"). [/ quote]
However, it is clear that you are not a Muslim. Any Muslim knows that Christians are "People of the Book" and that it is haraam to infringe on their life or dignity because of their religion.
[quote] Indeed, among the people of the Scripture there are those who believe in Allah and in what was sent down to you and what was sent down to them, being humble before Allah and not selling the signs of Allah for a negligible price. Their reward awaits them from their Lord. Indeed, Allah is swift in calculation. [Quote]
Sincerely

[Civil]

Let's not read these dreams, without the intervention of Russia, Karabakh will completely go to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan will cut off the Lachin corridor and that's it.

[TermNachTer]

"If my grandmother had wheels, it would not be my grandmother, but a tram," my company commander said. So far, instead of going to the Lachin corridor, Azerbaijanis travel to the south and hang flags in villages that are useless to anyone.

[Deniska999]

Again, the card was not attached. Apparently the author of the article thinks that all of us here day and night study the topography of Nagorno-Karabakh and know it by heart.

[Grits]

Quote: Deniska999

Again, the card was not attached. Apparently the author of the article thinks that all of us here day and night study the topography of Nagorno-Karabakh and know it by heart.

As geography teachers say, there is a law of geography: you name an object - show it on a map. Show an object on the map - name it.
Without a map, this entire article is a collection of little-known place names.

[Charik]

I knew it was him

[Old tanker]

Oh yes Damantsev! In your own style It turns out that the field camp of the Russian troops and one strong point will allow the Armenians to deploy:
"a powerful layered anti-aircraft / anti-missile" barrier "A2 / AD, formed not by a couple of" ancient "Osa-AKM air defense missile systems and a single S-300PS battalion with the 30N6E illumination radar turned off, but by the S-300V anti-aircraft missile system and several batteries of Armenian and Russian air defense missile systems "Tor-M2MKM" and "Pantsir-S1", aggregated into a network-centric air defense-missile defense system by means of unified battery command posts "Ranzhir-M" and "Polyana-D4M1") "
Two flags and three Russian tents will ensure the deployment of the A2 / AD zone by Armenia. And without Russian tents, the Armenians cannot do this "barrier".

[anzar]

Oh yes Damantsev! In your own style

It is impossible to read it because of the stuffing of phrases ... and it is meaningless. I'm right on the comments)) - you can learn more from them.

[vlad106]

Maybe he's Damantsian after all?

[parusnik]

Analysts of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan will read this material and draw appropriate conclusions.

[Evil543]

They cannot. The head will be broken. This cipher cannot be broken.

[Krasnodar]

The nestlings of Sorosov's nest meanly prevented the use of a multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter of generation 5 minus to intercept Potential Carriers of Generation 4 - - a pan-Turkic copy of the Zionist replica of the planning beam-guided bombs GBU - e2-e4, capable of winning the war, even being suspended on the wretched production of Mika Gurevich.
But - no matter how it is.
Take off your rose-colored glasses from your side - Ottomans! Instead of 37mm ZO and Quadruple Machine Guns Mahim with the "Do You Know" hit, they will be opposed by an air defense system that includes TAHAD under the cover of S-300, guarded by TOR, Captain America, accompanied by IronMan, Mountain Mod Hulk and Scarlett Johanson Jana to the accompaniment of works by Boka (Davidyan).
Considering the possibilities of latent and pantant fire control of the NKAO autobahns by means of underbarrel artillery and the entire American WOT line, starting from VII-ok, kosher Bonsai-UAV-ogly will have to sweat a lot high in the Caucasus mountains!

[Evil543]

what was that, dear? Did you become an author?

[Krasnodar]

What authors - a pitiful likeness of Maestro Damantsev

[times]

Quote: Krasnodar

What authors - a pitiful likeness of Maestro Damantsev

You are being shy. It turned out very well only numbers had to be added

[Krasnodar]

S300 Shch - RB3084-a?

[Prisoner]

Don't read, Ivanushka, Damantseva. You will become the author.

[Pavlos Melas]

Where is the death star?

[Krasnodar]

This is no longer Marvel

[Grits]

I didn't think it was so contagious ...

[Krasnodar]

Are you talking about the over-the-horizon BUKM-2e4829 with missiles 93417aF א?

[alekc75]

zadolbal author !!! it's time to block his access to VO !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: alekc75

zadolbal author !!! it's time to block his access to VO !!!

Do you not like science fiction literature?

[Konnick]

Why won't the Armenians hire the author of this opus - how to fight. I realized they don't have qualified translators
"... aggregated into a network-centric air defense-missile defense system through the unified battery command posts "Ranzhir-M" and "Polyana-D4M1".
As in the old joke
"A snow-white cruise liner is floating, the sun is approaching sunset, passengers and passengers in evening dresses are walking along the deck, the captain in a snow-white tunic, in a white cap with a golden crab flaunts on his bridge ...
Suddenly, next to the ship, a loud gurgle is heard and a rusty submarine emerges. The hatch opens with a rattle, an unshaven man in a hat with earflaps protrudes from there in a leaky, oiled quilted jacket and shouts, “Hey, there ... on the bridge ... in which direction is the shore ....?
The captain of the liner in the loudspeaker answers - Go on a course north-south-west ...
A man in a quilted jacket screams-
Listen, huh? Don't show off, show your paltzam ... "

[Goffman]

Two ships, a Russian and an American, are heading at sea.
Our captain shouts into the megaphone: "Turn, your mother! Turn!"
The helmsman says: "Captain, they don't understand Russian."
The captain shouted: "Do you speak English?"
Americans: "Yes, yes!"
Captain: "Turn, fucking turn! Turn!"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Konnick

Listen, huh? Don't show off, show your palts.

An Armenian submarine in the mountains of Karabakh? However .... I have not read such a "fantasy" yet!

[Kruglov]

Well, Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat ... How would ... Why not an Armenian submarine in Karabakh ?!

[Jacket in stock]

Hmm, I really envy the author.
Not everyone can translate this, but he invented it himself. Here is the head.

[Ros 56]

Eugene, as always, made the correct theoretical calculations.
But one detail is missing in the Armenian narrative, one must be able to fight, both on the ground and in the air. And for this it is necessary to study very hard and a lot. As A.V. Suvorov used to say, it is hard to learn, easy to fight. And there many people think how I will take a machine gun now and how I will defeat everyone (zhu), choose the ending yourself. But that was not the case. Calls alone and boasting for victory are not enough, we were convinced of this on our own skin in the year 41 of the last century, although we had 4-5 times more tanks, and enough aircraft, but alas, we did not know how to fight.

[Konnick]

We knew how to fight, we just did not have a system. The tank units sorely lacked vehicles for fuel and lubricants and repair services, but we did not have modern aviation, compared to Germany, but our airfields were still the primary goal. Having won air supremacy, the Wehrmacht easily enough hacked into any of our defenses, blocked the movement of troops. No military genius and those who know how to fight will not be able to do anything with the dominance of enemy aircraft in the sky. Do you think our commanders could have carried out Operation Bagration so successfully without aviation - only tenfold superiority in the air of our aviation allowed us to do this. As well as our catastrophe near Vyazma, the Luftwaffe ensured, driving the militia divisions to the bottom of the trenches in the direction of the main strikes and not releasing our "ambush regiments" from the personnel divisions from the forest.

[Ros 56]

Don't argue with the general of the little sluts.

[Konnick]

Is it possible to argue with the general, only an anecdote can I tell-

“Former classmates gathered in a restaurant. Twenty years have passed since graduation - it's time to share your successes and achievements in life.

- I work as an engineer, I head a department of twelve people! - said the former excellent student Misha, and everyone hummed approvingly, they say, we did not doubt your success.
- I learned to be a doctor and run a private clinic, - the former head of the class Masha boasted, and classmates whistled enviously.
- And I became a general, - said the matured Little Johnny.

Everyone was terribly surprised:
- How could you do that? You studied very badly!
- Aha, and discipline was in complete trouble!
- You didn't even know the multiplication table!

Little Johnny barked in response in a commanding voice that everyone was abruptly silent:
- And I don't know now! - banged his fist on the table so that they still ducked. - But so that tomorrow by morning it will already be !!! "

[Ros 56]

The joke is so-so.

[Konnick]

I agree, comrade warrant officer

[Ivan Ivanov_6]

"Anecdote so-so" - purely army; -)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Konnick

We knew how to fight, we just did not have a system.

They did not know how to fight. And at all levels. From the grassroots:

In the 12th motorized rifle regiment, a lesson on the topic "A soldier in a defensive battle" was conducted by a junior lieutenant of the 6th company A. The lesson was organized as a two-way exercise. The Red Army men tore trenches out of the snow clumsily, camouflaged themselves poorly, opened fire without the command of the squad leaders, determined the distances incorrectly, and launched a counterattack one by one.
The lesson on the topic "A soldier in an offensive battle" was conducted by the junior lieutenant of the 4th company A. A. Sam himself was poorly trained in infantry tactics. The Red Army ranks clumsily, they didn’t dig in at the firing lines, they didn’t choose the place for shooting, they didn’t set the sight, they went on the attack without bayonets.
In general, tactical training in units of the division is unsatisfactory ...

© report on combat training and combat readiness of the 12th TD of the 8th MK on February 1, 1941
Before the highest: commanders of armies and fronts considered it absolutely normal not to follow the orders of the General Staff, inventing their own crutches instead of them, or simply ignoring them.

Quote: Konnick

but we did not have modern aviation in comparison with Germany

The planes were there. There were no crews - most of the air regiments on the new materiel were in the process of formation or retraining (which, according to the plan, was to be completed by mid-1942). Only part of the MiG regiments can be considered more or less combat-ready.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alexey RA

Only part of the regiments on MiGs can be considered more or less combat-ready.

And those, often, required checking and adjusting the installed weapons, tk. Aircraft that were nailed from factory number 1 sometimes had a defect when installing the cartridge supply systems, which led to a refusal when trying to open fire.

Quote: Alexey RA

© report on combat training and combat readiness of the 12th TD of the 8th MK on February 1, 1941
Before the highest: commanders of armies and fronts considered it absolutely normal not to follow the orders of the General Staff, inventing their own crutches instead of them, or simply ignoring them

But how many claims and accusations are still pouring on the head of G. Zhukov's NGSH, they say he could not, did not know. And no more ...

[nobody75]

Let's be honest, Dear Georgy Konstantinovich is an outstanding marshal. In the Napoleonic sense of the word ... But as a planner he is not very ...
Sincerely

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: nobody75

But as a planner, he is not very good.

What did he plan wrong?

[nobody75]

"I want to see an air offensive" - ​​With these words of Georgy Konstantinovich, the "Battle over the Kuban" began. Remember Galaktionov about "Air Cannes" Dreamed ...
Since then, a maxim has appeared: "The aviation does not capture anything, and the air defense does not protect anything."
Sincerely

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: nobody75

"I want to see the air offensive" - ​​With these words of Georgy Konstantinovich began the "Battle over the Kuban

Can I get a link? Not from the memoirs of the "drunken colonels"?

[nobody75]

Please

On the basis of the rich combat experience of the use of aviation at Stalingrad, here for the first time in full a plan of an air offensive was developed, signed by the commander of the North Caucasian Front, General I.I.Maslennikov, a member of the Military Council of the Front, General A. Ya. K. A. Vershinin. On April 20, 1943, the plan for an air offensive of the Air Force of the North Caucasian Front with the Stavka reserve attached to the aviation to defeat the enemy group on the Taman Peninsula was approved by Marshal of the Soviet Union G.K. Zhukov and Air Marshal A.A. Novikov.

http://militera.lib.ru/h/kozhevnikov_mn/04.html
Personally, I think that the very idea of ​​an "air offensive" in Poland would suit Senior Political Officer Brezhnev, according to whose precepts Optimus Prime, the leader of Azerbots, concocts funny cartoons.
Sincerely

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: nobody75

http://militera.lib.ru/h/kozhevnikov_mn/04.html

What's this? Document?
Well I asked - no need to refer to the "newly invented" nonsense from the Internet ...

[nobody75]

Excuse me, "newly invented nonsense" is Zhukov's signature on the plan? I guess I forged it with the help of the "Internet" ...
And what did the "drunken lieutenant colonel" (technically, this is not a "drunken colonel") MN Kozhevnikov do as a witness for you? Incidentally, he was a member of Novikov's task force.
Moreover, Georgy Konstantinovich himself writes about his participation in planning in his "Memories and Reflections" on page 138.
Sincerely

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nobody75

Based on the rich combat experience of the use of aviation at Stalingrad, for the first time in full a plan for an air offensive was developed, signed by the commander of the North Caucasian Front, General I.I.Maslennikov, a member of the Front Military Council, General A. Ya.... On April 20, 1943, the plan for an air offensive of the Air Force of the North Caucasian Front with the Stavka reserve attached to aviation to defeat the enemy group on the Taman Peninsula was approved by Marshal of the Soviet Union G.K. Zhukov and Air Marshal A.A. Novikov.

The main thing is highlighted.
The operation was planned by SCF headquarters. Zhukov and Novikov only approved the already prepared plan. That is, in this particular case, the GKZH was not a planner.

Let me remind you how it all began:

Quote: nobody75

Let's be honest, Dear Georgy Konstantinovich is an outstanding marshal. In the Napoleonic sense of the word ...But as a planner, he is not very...

[nobody75]

That is, in this particular case, the GKZH was not a planner.

The idea of ​​an "air offensive" belongs to him. And the signature under the plan was put by Georgy Konstantinovich. Above, I referred to Galaktionov, from whose work, dedicated to the Battle of the Marne, "wise thoughts" of the stereotyped transfer of operational methods of ground operations grow.
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[Alexey RA]

Quote: nobody75

Let's be honest, Dear Georgy Konstantinovich is an outstanding marshal. In the Napoleonic sense of the word ... But as a planner he is not very ...

So there is a headquarters for planning. And the GKZH was indispensable in terms of the steady implementation of the plan developed by the headquarters. Or in terms of analyzing a ready-made plan and comparing it with reality - with subsequent organizational conclusions. As on the Kalinin Front in 1943, when the GKZh presented an offensive plan, the main supply routes in which in reality were snow-covered glades, information about the enemy was half a year ago, and the offensive of Katukov's tanks was planned on an inaccessible tank area, and even during the beginning spring thaw.

[nobody75]

I am writing about this.
As an example of unsuccessful planning, you can still recall the "Battle of Rzhev", but this is debatable ... Although it is possible to talk with Isaev.
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[stalkerwalker]

Quote: nobody75

As an example of unsuccessful planning, you can also recall the "Battle of Rzhev"

"Remember all!"
This is about Schwarzenegger and still young Sharon Stone ...

[nobody75]

Sharon Stone interviews Pikachu

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[stalkerwalker]

I don’t need to slip what I’ve already seen and read.

[nobody75]

Sorry, I didn't know that you are a fan of Sharon Stone and Pokemon!
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[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alexey RA

So there is a headquarters for planning. And the GKZH was indispensable in terms of the steady implementation of the plan developed by the headquarters.

This is a liberal tendency of recent years for home-grown researchers of the history of the Great Patriotic War - all the "bumps" on the GNSH, along the way collecting rumors from the Internet and the so-called. "works of front-line soldiers" written "on the table".
In the forefront, as the face of the "liberal historians", is the great-granddaughter of K. Rokossovsky. A journalist who splashes saliva at every corner that her great-grandfather is the main character of the Great Patriotic War. Even A. Koneva's granddaughter surpassed.
Well, then there were articles in the internet about the unfortunate Konstantin Konstantinovich (or Ksaverievich?) With washing the bones of the GKZH.

[nobody75]

This is a liberal tendency of recent years for home-grown researchers of the history of the Great Patriotic War - all the "bumps" on the GNSH, along the way collecting rumors from the Internet and the so-called. "works of front-line soldiers" written "on the table".

Is this "Memories and Reflections" by GK Zhukov - "work written on the table"?
Excuse me, did you finish high school to the end?
Let me help you with the exam in history ...

Tasks D19 number 1092
Read an excerpt from the memoirs of a Soviet commander during the Great Patriotic War and indicate his last name.



“If you think that I, as Chief of the General Staff, can only grind nonsense, then I have nothing to do here. I ask you to relieve me of my duties as chief of the General Staff and send me to the front. There I, apparently, will bring more benefit to the Motherland. ... I am a military man and I am ready to carry out any decision of the Headquarters, but I have a firm point of view on the situation and methods of warfare, I am convinced of its correctness and reported as I think myself and the General Staff.

Having collected the cards, I left the office with a heavy feeling of my own powerlessness. About half an hour later I was invited to the Supreme.

“That's what,” said JV Stalin, “we consulted and decided to relieve you of your duties as chief of the General Staff ... You have a lot of experience in commanding troops in a combat situation. In the active army, you will be of undoubted benefit. "


1) G.K. Zhukov

2) A.M. Vasilevsky

3) L. P. Beria

4) I. S. Konev

Explanation.
In January 1941, G.K. Zhukov was appointed chief of the General Staff, but at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War he was relieved of this post and sent to the front. Developed and directed the largest operations during the war.



The correct answer is indicated under the number: 1.

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[stalkerwalker]

Quote: nobody75

Excuse me, did you finish high school to the end?

"My light, mirror, tell me ... Am I the smartest in the world?"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nobody75

In January 1941 G.K. Zhukov was appointed Chief of the General Staff

Which was a big mistake. For:

She cannot be assigned to staff and teaching work, he organically hates her.

The same mistake was the sending "in the field" of the techie Kulik - in his post he would bring much more benefit.

[Konnick]

"... [i] Just like on the Kalinin Front in 1943 ... ... the offensive of Katukov's tanks was planned in an inaccessible area, and even during the beginning of the spring thaw. [/ i]
And you can read more about this unknown early episode with the Katukov brigade, which was transferred from the Western Front to the Voronezh Front at the end of March 1942.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Konnick

And you can read more about this unknown early episode with the Katukov brigade, which was transferred from the Western Front to the Voronezh Front at the end of March 1942.

I was mistaken - this is not the Kalinin front, but the North-Western Front and the special group of Khozin. Winter 1943, when Katukov was no longer in command of the brigade, but formed the 1st Tank Army.

- ... We’ve been sitting for a year and a half and we don’t really know the area! Communications are not properly taken care of! - Marshal's massive chin bifurcated in the middle seemed to seal every word. - The front headquarters is two hundred kilometers from the troops, the army headquarters is sixty, from the division headquarters, to get to the front line, it takes almost an entire day ... We are preparing for the offensive, but we are looking more at the rear, we are keeping an eye on our ass .. In the Dno region, there is a partisan region, and we have no connection with him, we are not receiving any data from him ... What is known about the enemy? What the newspapers write: "The captured corporal showed ..."

[Konnick]

Thanks for the info)

[andrew42]

It’s interesting for you. And who should be in charge of organizing the Armed Forces and ensuring readiness for air defense? - People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs or what? It's time to honestly admit that "pre-war Zhukov" is not even "Zhukov of November 1941" Another thing is that the "corps commander 1940" progressed to the "commander of 1941" in record time, and by 1943 right up to the commander of a group of fronts - this is worthy of great respect, and even admiration. But for June 22, 1941, you cannot say thanks to Zhukov. Like many other "professionals" of the Red Army.

[nobody75]

but we did not have modern aviation in comparison with Germany, but our airfields were still the primary goal. Having won air supremacy, the Wehrmacht easily enough hacked into any of our defenses, blocked the movement of troops.

Modern aviation was just there - it was just preparing for another war. At other heights and speeds. Even Liddle Garth wrote that the main striking force of the blitzkrieg was tank divisions with the support of dive bombers. Is this a bastard - modern aviation?
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[Konnick]

The U-2 or PO-2 was not a modern aircraft either, the main thing is modern use. The right tactics at the right time. Laptezhnik opened concrete pillboxes and extinguished artillery batteries at one time or two, Yu'87 won a tank battle near Dubno. He was a modern aircraft, we could not make a dive bomber with such a steep dive and
precision bombing. While the air supremacy was with the Germans, they were in great demand. The maize AN-2 is also not a "modern" machine, but we have no replacement for it. And with their help, Azerbaijan opened the "modern" air defense system in Karabakh and "helped" the Armenians to use up the ammunition of anti-aircraft missiles. There are no modern and outdated, there is only a modern application of technology wisely.

[nobody75]

About

He was a modern aircraft, we could not make a dive bomber with such a steep dive and
precision bombing.

Have you heard about the Pe - 2? He had a navigator, in contrast to the bastard operator, a normal bomb sight and he could bomb from a kilomiter.
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[Konnick]

I admire your knowledge
This aircraft was designed as a heavy high-altitude fighter. And until the end of the war he did not master the technique of deep diving. And he could have bombed from a greater height, but not always hit.

[nobody75]

Yes, it was designed as an escort fighter. He could bomb from a dive much more accurately than a bastard. What is the Deep Dive Technique? Are you talking about Rudel? An AP-1 automatic dive machine was installed on Peshka, which controlled the air brakes, which made it possible to enter the dive mode. Due to the work of the navigator and the bombsight, the combat crew had a bombing accuracy of 50 m (a circle with a radius of 50 m), and a sniper - 10 m.
During the Battle of Kursk, the Peshki used targeted dive bombing, forming a protective circle. You mean it by a deep dive?
At the end of the 30s, TsAGI carried out research, as a result of which recommendations were developed for dive bombing. And even the SB could bomb from a dive! Il 2 and Su 2 (not a very successful attack aircraft, by the way) could also bomb from a dive. So everything was in order with modern aviation.
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[Alexey RA]

Quote: Konnick

Laptezhnik once or twice opened concrete pillboxes and extinguished artillery batteries, Yu'87 won a tank battle near Dubno.

The tank battle of Dubno was won by the German bomber aviation as a whole. To work on the rear and artillery on the march, a dive bomber is not needed - you can simply enter the column going on the road in front or behind: tractors and non-four-wheel drive vehicles will not go anywhere from the road.

Quote: Konnick

It was a modern aircraft, we could not make a dive bomber with such a steep dive and bombing accuracy.

Our problem was not with equipment, but with personnel. As the experience of the Rakov regiment shows, with proper training of personnel, the Pe-2 began to work normally with a dive (the first and second strikes on the Niobe).

[Konnick]

I did not go into details, I will just clarify, the 87s worked on tanks and batteries, the 88s worked on transport hubs and they did not interact with the tankers as closely as the laptelers, who had direct communication with the tank battalions and above, but worked in the columns 109th, so as not to spoil the roads necessary for the further offensive.

[Konnick]

Armenia was also preparing for another war. It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. And now analysts-experts argue - if, it would be necessary ... But it would not be otherwise, Azerbaijan outwitted the "modern" air defense system and would have outwitted the system that is described in the article. The main thing is to choose the right tactics, to win air supremacy, forcing to use up the ammunition of the air defense systems and reveal the location, configuration of the air defense system, and then manage in the air, slowly destroying equipment and personnel and psychologically lowering the enemy below the plinth.

[nobody75]

Armenia was also preparing for another war.

Excuse me, what is the date today? The "success" of the fascists in the Second World War, like the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, is largely due to the "inadequate" strategic plan with strikes in divergent directions. I remember how Kluge reproached Guderian for the fact that all his operations were carried out at great risk, on the brink of disaster.
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[Sanichsan]

Quote: Konnick

No military genius and those who know how to fight will not be able to do anything with the dominance of enemy aircraft in the sky.

in principle, yes, but the Vietnamese did it. having no aviation at all and having very limited air defense defeated the French

[paul3390]

No military genius and those who know how to fight will be able to do anything with the dominance of enemy aircraft in the sky

For example, you tell the Vietnamese .. Or the North Koreans. It is possible for the Houthis .. Otherwise they all do not know.

[Konnick]

Tell me, too, how the Vietnamese won without our S-75 and MiG-17s, and how the DPRK won without Kozhedub, Pepelyaev and Sutyagin. And the Houthis have not yet won, there is no aviation, so partisanship, but the rustle of drones in Saudi Arabia was made.

[Mavrikiy]

The forthcoming attempt to storm the Lachin corridor will present Baku with a number of surprises. Will the involvement of the Russian military contingent be required?

"By herself, by herself, by herself! ....." (Station for two)
First, deal with the NGO, then with Pashenyan and his gang of grant-eaters, and then we will talk with Azerbaijan.

[Nikolaevich I]

Armenian! Yes, the one that stood at the Russian base with a poster: Russian invaders get out of Armenia! Do you still have this poster? And you ? I didn't stand, but I saw your neighbor running around with an anti-Russian poster ... did you spit in his face? No? But you ... how do you trade barbecue in Sochi before? And you all want a Russian soldier to fight for you?

[nobody75]

All normal people in Sochi themselves barbecue on the beach or in the forest. The weather is nice. The sea is 20 degrees. I think to go to the beach ...
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[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: nobody75

I'm thinking about going to the beach.

I, too...

[Trojan_wolf]

God gave allies ...

[Krasnodar]

Duc must be friends with the rich. Not for begging for money, but so that they do not beg from you))

[Konnick]

In general, the situation with the air defense of Armenia resembles the episode with the gramophone from the movie "The Chief of Chukotka". To create a systemic air defense system, Armenia did not have enough money, it is not enough to buy an air defense system, it is also necessary to organize an air defense complex.

[2 Level Advisor]

If the Armenian Armed Forces openly enter the war, not in the regime of ichtamnet, but include in active battles s-300 and su-30, etc. ... legally they will begin an attack on the territory of Azerbaijan .. and the CSTO has a duty to protect them - withdrawn because the country will become an aggressor .. Something I doubt the author that they will do it ..

[iouris]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

the duty to protect them from the CSTO is removed, since the country will become an aggressor ..

This issue should also be viewed through the prism of interests. We must ask Yakov Kedmi: what are our national interests?

[2 Level Advisor]

in the sense of the KB Treaty, as well as the NATO Charter, provides for protection from enemy attacks, and not support for any turmoil that a member muddied .. there, in theory, the rest of the countries should fit in immediately. What are their interests in Karabakh?
and if you say that in any case, even if the Armenian army officially invades Azerbaijan, you can clearly and actively help + participate, then it certainly has nothing to do with the CSTO ..
and the consequences "smell" very bad .. so I think that if it were not for the CSTO and the base of the Russian Federation, already on Armenian territory, they would definitely have entered more than once + strikes were struck, the troops of the Azrb ..

[Operator]

I did not understand: how can the RA Air Force fight directly with the Azerbaijan Republic Armed Forces on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh - like Pashinyan will declare war on Aliyev?

[iouris]

Quote: Operator

like Pashinyan will declare war on Aliyev?

Did Aliyev declare war on Pashinyan? In my opinion, purely concrete. And Soros.

[Operator]

Aliyev declared war only on the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

[Blue fox]

Savoring product ciphers and classifications of weapons has not yet made a single author truly an expert. It's like a soldier who remembers by heart the characteristics of the MSL-50 and BSL-110, as well as the size of the trenches and trenches. Know the characteristics, dimensions, etc. this is one thing, but meeting the standard when digging them up is another. But a real expert can only be a fighter who is able to open as it should and meet the standard, and even in spite of the absence of a "popular" shovel or the presence of its "model" from the fire shield in the field camp.

[Knell wardenheart]

Someone clearly can't wait for us to get into this conflict as soon as possible ..

[Konnick]

Read carefully the advice in the last paragraph, use the heights near Goris, and this is the territory of Armenia, for "visual and fire control (with the ability to fire to suppress direct fire from anti-tank artillery) ". That is, adjusting the fire and making the fire itself and are not afraid of suppression fire, otherwise the notorious CSTO. But this phrase is not written in Russian, such an impression is Google translation.

[KARAKURT777]

Ay yes Damantsev ..

[Doctor Evil]

"Gavrila served as a corridor (Lachin corridor)
I expected new successes. "
What follows is an untranslatable set of local author's idiomatic expressions. But today somehow without a spark.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dr. Evil

"Gavrila served as a corridor (Lachin corridor)
I expected new successes. "

Damantsev was a great war
He jammed tanks with rassuha

[certero]

Quote: Konnick

Having won air supremacy, the Wehrmacht easily enough hacked into any of our defenses, blocked the movement of troops

This is probably why in the memoirs of German generals it is constantly written that the Russians just hang over their heads and where they say the valiant Luftwaffe

[Konnick]

If you are about 41 years old, then aviation was concentrated at the forefront of the breakthrough, the rest were without fighter cover, if about 45 years old, then there was already 10-15 times superiority in the air. Kesselring gathered near Vyazma in 41 practically all the aviation of the eastern front and practically suppressed the resistance of the armies of the western and reserve fronts, in two days of good weather. Under the air strikes, our troops lost their ability to maneuver and the tanks freely went to Moscow, but near Moscow the non-flying weather was our assistant and the Luftwaffe could not help the Wehrmacht break through the defenses near Moscow.

[nobody75]

And if the weather near Moscow was flying, what then?
Sincerely

[Konnick]

The Moscow air defense zone was very powerful, due to other directions. So it would be a very serious air battle. But history does not like the subjunctive mood.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, would the Germans have taken Moscow or not?
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[Konnick]

No, it was already known that Japan had not entered the war and the Far Eastern divisions were already near Moscow. They also strengthened the defense of Moscow with Far Eastern aviation. But non-flying weather, I think, contributed to the defeat near Moscow. Transport aviation played a great role in the supply of German tank wedges; logistics failed. No successful operation was complete without gaining air supremacy. Operation "Uranus" for the encirclement at Stalingrad, Stalin did not allow to start without it. Near the Ardennes, the Germans succeeded in an offensive due to bad weather, as soon as the American aircraft took off for the Germans, it was all over. Even in bad weather and muddy conditions in the Korsun-Shevchenko operation, we dominated the air at the expense of air regiments .... PO-2 night bombers. They had to fly below cloud cover at altitudes of 100-150 meters, supplying our units with ammunition during the day, and at night they smashed supply depots and even bombed accumulations of armored vehicles.

[nobody75]

Transport aircraft played an important role in the supply of German tank wedges.

Are you talking about the madhouse with the delivery of tank engines?

No, it was already known that Japan did not enter the war

The Bats never admit that they aided the Imperial Navy against the army ... and knocked out Yamamoto (Isoroka, DO NOT MISS YOJI!) With a "bad cause." You can, of course, point the finger at the Yankees and arrange an "Archival Revolution" over the typo in the Hell note and the oil embargo, but why? I am sure that in June 41, Stalin knew that Japan would not attack.
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[nobody75]

Therefore, I believe that air supremacy will not help much, in the absence of a sane strategic plan.
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[Konnick]

But any strategic plan will not be complete without air superiority. It doesn't matter drones, manned, air defense. And the current war in Karabakh proves this.
Delivery of fuel for tanks, not just spare parts. Manstein was unable to get to Paulus due to a lack of gasoline. The air at Stalingrad was ours.

[nobody75]

It doesn't matter drones, manned, air defense

Sorry, I'm not convinced that UAVs can provide air superiority. Reducing the cycle time "detection - additional reconnaissance - defeat" - with this non-combat, controlled by operators, UAVs can cope. Air superiority is provided by Turkish AWACS and F - 16 aircraft with AIM 120.
I would look at all their "superiority" against the 4th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense.
Sincerely

[Konnick]

What's the point in AWACS aviation? It is tailored for the aviation itself and I have not heard of using it for tracking in Karabakh. And what to use the F-16 against? Modern air defense systems of both belligerents will quickly bring down classic aviation.

[nobody75]

Today, according to Pegov, F - 16 bombed on Stepanokert.
The Turks use the Boeing 737AEW & C as an AWACS aircraft. It is equipped with MESA (Multipurpose Electronic Scanning Array) radar. This radar has a detection range of 400 km and can operate both by air and by land (sea). The duty aircraft patrols in Turkish airspace and maintains communication via link - 16 with F -16 in the airspace of Azerbaijan.
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[Konnick]

Listen to Pegov? A very biased "journalist" engaged by the press service of Armenia. You reason logically, what is the point of bombing the F-16, why? Use Pegov's messages on VO bad manners.

[nobody75]

Forgive me, I use all sources and don't listen to anyone. And this same Pegov for me is a screen in the boudoir ... to cover the "bad manners".
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[Goffman]

... Something vague suspicions began to creep into my mind ... Maybe someone (I won't say who exactly) in the depths of the Internet found some kind of automated information system of a militarized model (with uploaded names of the entire range of weapons and military equipment) by analogy with the old civilian method? ..

[Motorist]

Quote: Gofman

someone (I will not say who exactly) found some kind of automated information system of a militarized type in the depths of the Internet

Much earlier than the Internet, it was invented by Ilf and Petrov:

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[Lighten]

Blablabla blablabla

[7,62x54]

What other surprises can there be after the crushing blows of the Armenians.

[Alien From]

With all due respect to the warring parties, Russia should not get involved in this conflict.

[babylon]

All the regional conflicts that broke out did not arise out of simple
Everywhere, on the one hand, Western models of weapons are used and on the other, Russian ones, I think that the West is examining our weapons in a real battle before trying to start another adventure against us

[Scorpio05]

G. Damantsev does not even hide his predilections, so often he says "to great regret" when talking about the failures of the Armenian Armed Forces, that it comes to mind that "Damantsv" is just a pseudonym and under it some skinny maniac-like L. Nersisyan is hiding. Sorry, gentlemen, comrades, but this type really has the appearance of a quiet serial killer, "Mosgaz" of some kind. Once again miles sorry, distracted. Back to our sheep ...
Maybe it's time for Damantsev to somehow apply his good knowledge of military (though often out of place, confusing the performance characteristics of weapons, but this is particular) terminology? Can the state "Damantsev" give an outlet to their azerophobia and go to the battlefield in Karabakh? Taking at the same time the children of Armenian "patriots" screaming from Moscow about the need to send Russian guys to Karabakh (naturally, instead of the offspring of all these S. Bagdasarovs, Vardanyans and Martirosyan himself)?
Let Damantsev, the trumpet calls, you will write directly from Karabakh and advise the Armenians directly how to use free Russian weapons. And if you accidentally catch any QFAB-250LG personally, your Azerophobic rebellious spirit will calm down in the vastness of Karabakh and your relatives will save money on cremation. All parties are happy, "unfortunately"))

[nobody75]

And if you accidentally catch any QFAB-250LG personally

"When one of you fights with a brother, let him avoid his face, because Allah created Adam in his image."
Sorry for the personal question ... Are you an Azerbaijani? You are Muslim?

[Krasnodar]

Gavrila was azerophobe
Harop did not like Gabril

[Scorpio05]

I am writing to the editorial board of the Military Review. Dear comrades, stop the vicious Armenian practice of calling Azerbaijani toponyms like Lachin furious, unpronounceable and indigestible Armenian names like Berdzor, Jkkhavan or Tsakkhadzor, by the way, completely illegal. Lachin is the internationally recognized name of the city and the region of the same name according to the classification and territorial-administrative division of the Republic of Azerbaijan. There is no self-named Berdzor and Kachatag, or anything else verbally unpronounceable. This is not even the former NKAO and not the Karabakh zone, it is a XNUMX% Azerbaijani-populated region, not a single Armenian in Lachin has ever lived before the occupation of the Armenian Armed Forces.
I understand that this is apparently the editorial board's policy, the appearance of "analysts" Damantsevs and many others here is not accidental, and someone dictates the editorial board's anti-Azerbaijani policy. It is also no coincidence that honest people like S. Sovetkin left this destiny) I hope not Armenian money is involved here)
Among other things, do you really want to say that the editorial board's policy contradicts the policy of the Russian Federation, which recognizes the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan? If so, this is news. Just wondering what is going on with you there?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

And if you accidentally catch any QFAB-250LG personally

"When one of you fights with a brother, let him avoid his face, because Allah created Adam in his image."
Sorry for the personal question ... Are you an Azerbaijani? You are Muslim?

What's the difference? I prefer not to share personal information. I hope you understand that this is my right?

[nobody75]

Forgive me if I offended you ... You just write things that a Muslim cannot write.
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Krasnodar

Gavrila was azerophobe
Harop did not like Gabril

Oh, how he did not love) But here, as an example of unrequited love, Harop will love him, he is undemanding)

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Forgive me if I offended you ... You just write things that a Muslim cannot write.
Sincerely

I was not offended. What are those things? You have a peculiar vision. And what things should a Muslim, for example, write? And where did you get this?
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Forgive me ... I reread your comments ... Some Albanian temples ... Monophysites are strange ... So my doubts crept in.
Sincerely

[nobody75]

I understand that this is apparently the editorial board's policy, the appearance of "analysts" Damantsevs and many others here is not accidental, and someone dictates the editorial board's anti-Azerbaijani policy. It is also no coincidence that honest people like S. Sovetkin left this destiny) I hope not Armenian money is involved here)

"... and do not lose hope for the mercy of Allah, for people who do not believe in the mercy of Allah despair"

[Cottager452]

"... he mocked us,
well, crazy, what can you take ... "

[certero]

Quote: Konnick

practically suppressed the resistance of the armies of the Western and Reserve fronts, in two days of good weather. Our troops have lost their ability to maneuver under air strikes

To deny that the Germans in the air until the end of 43 were cooler than ours. But it is also not necessary to reduce all the successes of the Germans to the Luftwaffe.

[Konnick]

You can not reduce, but without the air superiority of their aviation, they fell like we did in 41st. I'm talking about what ensures victory, and this is an obligatory combination of ground forces and aviation.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Krasnodar

The nestlings of Sorosov's nest meanly prevented the use of a multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter of generation 5 minus to intercept Potential Carriers of Generation 4 - - a pan-Turkic copy of the Zionist replica of the planning beam-guided bombs GBU - e2-e4, capable of winning the war, even being suspended on the wretched production of Mika Gurevich.
But - no matter how it is.
Take off your rose-colored glasses from your side - Ottomans! Instead of 37mm ZO and Quadruple Machine Guns Mahim with the "Do You Know" hit, they will be opposed by an air defense system that includes TAHAD under the cover of S-300, guarded by TOR, Captain America, accompanied by IronMan, Mountain Mod Hulk and Scarlett Johanson Jana to the accompaniment of works by Boka (Davidyan).
Considering the possibilities of latent and pantant fire control of the NKAO autobahns by means of underbarrel artillery and the entire American WOT line, starting from VII-ok, kosher Bonsai-UAV-ogly will have to sweat a lot high in the Caucasus mountains!

Handsomely. You will not say anything, I am writing this as a modest connoisseur of modern prose)

[Old26]

Quote: TermNachTER

"If my grandmother had wheels, it would not be my grandmother, but a tram," my company commander said. So far, instead of going to the Lachin corridor, Azerbaijanis travel to the south and hang flags in villages that are useless to anyone.

They, first of all, clean up the rear, and do not rush into the "gut", where they can be fired at from two flanks at once .. And hanging flags has a propaganda component.

[nobody75]

Forgive me, but how in an open field can you protect the rear from MLRS and cannon artillery? Except for the maneuver ... here they are running around with flags.
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Forgive me ... I reread your comments ... Some Albanian temples ... Monophysites are strange ... So my doubts crept in.
Sincerely

What's so strange about that? The history of the region, how the Monophysite Armenians Armenianized the Orthodox heritage of the autochthonous people - Albanians (according to the language of the Caucasian people, and not Indo-European as the Armenians). Religion has nothing to do with it, it served the nationalist goals of Armenians for annexation and appropriation of someone else's historical heritage.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

And if your post is rhymed, then it will turn out like Olzhas Suleimenov:

Evil comes from under the cross
Like a killer from behind a bush.
Overshadowing myself with a sign
Unclear purpose.

Did I understand correctly that you don't like all "crusaders", or only Armenians?
Sincerely

[Artavazdych]

We read the Russian Orthodox Encyclopedia, the most authoritative Russian source in the history of Christianity:
"In the IV century. Albanian king Urnayr, having departed from the alliance with the Sassanids, arrived in Armenia and was baptized along with his entourage. Christianity was proclaimed the state. Religion ..."
Young man, you, like the overwhelming part of modern Azerbaijani society, are totally fooled and (or) duped.
And secondly, in Russia the distortion of historical facts to the detriment of national interests and national self-consciousness is prosecuted!
So there are two choices for you - either study, study, study, or - get out of position!

[Rubina]

And what follows from this? (1) Part of the Albanians was assimilated by the Armenians due to their common religion; (2) part of them converted to Islam and were assimilated by Azerbaijanis, (3) part retained the Christian religion and language - Udins; (4) some of them converted to Islam, but retained the language - the Lezgins.
PS The times have come, fools with drones, smart only the President of Papuan did not ask for help and all to no avail

[Seal]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

is removed from the CSTO, since the country will become an aggressor ..

The leadership of Armenia is AFRAID to seek help from the CSTO.
Why
The Collective Security Treaty has Article 4

If one of the participating States is subjected to aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty), it will be considered by the participating States as aggression (armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) to all states parties to this Agreement.
In the event of an aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) to any of the participating States, all other participating States will, at the request of that participating State, immediately provide it with the necessary assistance, including military, as well as support from their disposal of funds in the exercise of the right to collective defense in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.

So, CSTO members come to the aid of a CSTO member state only if the CSTO member country itself has undergone AGGRESSION.
See the term Aggression (as defined by the UN).

a) the invasion or attack of the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state or any military occupation, no matter how temporary it may be, resulting from such an invasion or attack, or any annexation using force of the territory of another state or part of it;

And what happens?
And it turns out that Armenia has long been an aggressor against Azerbaijan.
And if Azerbaijan strikes even at Armenia itself, the question whether this strike can be considered aggression is a debatable issue. For aggression against the aggressor is nonsense.
In any case, the issue will be brought up for discussion at the Session of the CSTO Collective Security Council. It is clear that at the Session of the Council Armenia will insist that she is a victim of aggression. But the decision will be made by voting. Moreover, for a decision to be made, all the CSTO member states must vote for it unanimously.
And the probability of this is around 0,001%.
Armenia is afraid of this refusal.
Therefore, it is easier for the Armenian leadership to pretend that it does not want to apply to the CSTO than to explain to the people later why the CSTO of Armenia refused to help.
For the official refusal of the CSTO to help Armenia can completely demoralize both Armenia and the Armenian army.

[nobody75]

For the official refusal of the CSTO to help Armenia can completely demoralize both Armenia and the Armenian army.

"If the cowboy orders - who will refuse him."
Historians estimate losses in the First World War from 6 to 10 million people. As a result of the influenza epidemic, the number of deaths, according to various estimates, was from 17 to 100 million. I understand how to gouge Azerbaijan's infrastructure remotely, but how to carry out a land operation in a pandemic is not.
Sincerely

[Seal]

Quote: Konnick

To create a systemic air defense in Armenia there was not enough money, it is not enough to buy an air defense system, it is necessary to organize another air defense complex.

KIRK KRKORYAN (USA)
FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT of one of the largest corporations in the United States, Tracinda Corporation. In 1978, Time magazine named Kirk Krkorian the country's most successful entrepreneur. Krkorian owned shares in the car companies Chrysler and Ford Motor Company. Today, Krkorian's companies operate the largest gambling houses in the states of Nevada and California: MGM Grand, Flamengo, International Hotel. In 2005, the Washigton Post ranked Krkorian as the second most successful gambling businessman in US history (Benjamin Siegelbaum was the first). Krkorian founded the United Armenian Found and the Lincy Foundation. According to Armenian Bar Co, in the period 1988-2011, Krkorian allocated more 5 billion Armenia and NKR. He was awarded the degree of National Hero of Armenia.

STEVEN KANDARYAN (USA). PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL insurance company MetLife. Kandaryan's official fortune is estimated at $ 25 billion. About 90% of Fortune 500 companies are corporate clients of MetLife. Today MetLife is also ranked 31st in the list of the 500 largest companies in the world. Steve Kandaryan is one of the largest Armenian benefactors, but he prefers not to advertise his activities. Every year he transfers millions of dollars to the accounts of Armenian charitable foundations. His companies provide assistance to the leading Armenian lobbying groups in the United States.

EDUARDO ERNEKIAN (ARGENTINA) PRESIDENT OF American International Airports and Aeropuertos Argentina 2000. Ernekian's companies operate 32 Argentine airports and the main airports in Uruguay, Ecuador and Armenia. It was at the expense of Eduardo Ernekian's investments that the old terminal of the Zvartnots airport (worth $ 200 million) was reconstructed. In February 2007, Eurnekian bought shares in Converse Bank CJSC (Armenia). Today he is considered the richest businessman in Argentina and is one of the five richest people in South America. Eurnekian is the main financial donor to Armenian organizations in Latin America. Over the past five years, he has invested many millions of dollars in various funds in Armenia and Artsakh. In 2011, Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, during his trip to Argentina, ordained Eduardo Ernekian to the Knights of Holy Etchmiadzin.

And so on and so forth.

[Roskar]

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan appealed to the deserters that he was ready to die for Armenia and go to the front line, but "someone must act as prime minister."

[Azimuth]

can be placed exclusively on the hardpoints of MiG-29UB multipurpose combat training fighters, Su-25 attack aircraft and Aermacchi M-346 training aircraft

If you start from the end, with UBS M-346FA

the first sample was shown only in 2017. It talks about the process of fine-tuning this version of the M-346, etc.
At the beginning of December 2019, it was said about the delivery to an unnamed buyer only in 2021:

In general, the aircraft turned out to be quite good and interesting in this version, it has a radar, and optoelectronic systems and a data exchange system, and of course, a fairly wide range of weapons. Due to the non-afterburner supersonic, in addition to everything, it can play the role of an air defense fighter in peacetime, due to which the resource of more expensive aircraft will be saved.
But returning to the 2021 delivery time of the first machines - a question to the author, where did he get the information that the M-346FA have been delivered to date and are in service with Azerbaijan?

Move on. Since when have MiG-29s of the Azerbaijan Air Force become multifunctional? These are Ukrainian MiGs, type 9-13, that is, pure fighters with increased fuel reserves and very limited capabilities for strikes against ground targets.

The main striking force of the Azerbaijani Air Force is the Su-25, the Mi-35 and Mi-24 helicopters.

[Old26]

Quote: nobody75

Forgive me, but how in an open field can you protect the rear from MLRS and cannon artillery? Except for the maneuver ... here they are running around with flags.

I wrote CLEARrather than protect. be careful

[nobody75]

Okay, I will paraphrase: "How in an open field can you CLEAR the rear of the SRZO and barrel artifacts. If their positions are on the territory of Armenia?"
Sincerely

[alexey alexeyev_2]

So I wanted to say something .. I'll try to reread it again ..

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Evgeny, where did you get the idea that the Azerbaijanis need to take Beidzor?
What's the point of breaking through narrow, winding gorges? Shoot down Armenian barriers, suffer losses from ATGMs located at heights above the valley and the road? Where they can cut the supply of DRGs.

It is enough for them to cut the highway at Zabukh without crossing the border.

The detours are very difficult due to the height of the surrounding ridges, if this route is cut at Zabux.
There is only one "dirt road" nearby and there are few places where you can move over rough terrain by wheeled vehicles - that is, supply along the Lachin corridor will be very difficult even without taking Beidzor.

[Gennady Fomkin]

They will be partisans in Armenia itself!

[Gennady Fomkin]

I am reading you, comrades, on the topic of the Azerbaijan-Armenian war and am surprised. That, Aliyev has already lost, despite the fact that the NKR has lost almost all of the flat regions, and the Ars, not today or tomorrow, will begin to storm Baku. Then the Azerbaijanis with the Turks are about to break through the corridor to Nakhichevan and appear near Yerevan.

To understand where the combat action curve will lead, you don't need to guess on the coffee grounds: a) turn on the logic. b) look in the documents First - Russia is the main arbiter in this war, and no one will dispute this, because in our super heavy weight there is no equal opponent in the Transcaucasus. Iran and the Turks are great, but we are no match. Azerbaijan and Armenia generally do not pull on subjectivity. China and the US (our weight class) are far away and relatively neutral. The United States carried out a velvet revolution and this war is not particularly interesting to them, moreover, it is categorically harmful, since it returns Armenia to our orbit. In view of the fact that the "north wind" is not particularly felt in Nagorno-Karabakh, and Aliyev does not chew his tie, one can assume that that Azerbaijan has not yet stepped on Russian interests in this region.

[Indifferent]

I would be grateful for someone to explain what this article is about!

[Olegi1]

Quote: Evil543

Guessed the author by the title of the article the first time.

Yes, I started to guess too. To be sure, I read the first couple of paragraphs, then, already convinced, the last name at the end. Delirium is not interesting.

[Cossack 471]

Author mosques tsifir

[ankir13]

What is permanent patrolling?

[Albert Hakobyan]

Great review! And the first paragraph with humor is good - 10 lines, but in one sentence! And especially the third one: also for 10 lines in one sentence, but complex and complex, but with technical details. Our battalion commander gave orders like that and always got out of the water dry.

[Seal]

Quote: nobody75

How then do you translate the term "devshirme"? How is the "set"?

So you answered your own question.

The capital has the smartest recruits
enrolled in ich oglan (“boys for internal service”). They were sent to the Sultan's Palace School. In the future, with a certain amount of luck, a brilliant career awaited them. The rest fell into the category of ajami oglan (“boys for external service”)

There was general kit. Whoever was smarter went to study to become an official, and whoever was strong, skillful, but lagged behind the best in terms of intelligence - he became a Janissary.

[alexandr_vd]

I would very much like the establishment of a neutral zone within the boundaries of the Lachin corridor, so that no one would be shot at.
And the Armenian Azerbaijani territories were divided according to the former adm. borders.
Apparently, there is no other peaceful way. And better than the USSR!
Why (besides religion) should the Arams and Azerbaijanis be slaughtered? And is it worth it?
After all, Buryats, Tatars, etc. live peacefully inside Russia. I don’t think I’m ukrov (my wife is Ukrainian). And everything is fine!
You just need strong power!

[Seal]

What is the problem ? You yourself write: "

The conduct of the devshirme was opened by the Sultan's edict - ferman. Then an officer of at least the rank of Yayabashi, with letters confirming his authority, accompanied by several syuryuju (“herdmen”), a scribe and with a supply of uniforms, went to a certain region inhabited by Christians. Local Christian priests were required to collect boys with baptismal certificates. Those fit for service were included in a list, one copy of which was handed over to the suryuju. The latter accompanied the recruits to Istanbul. In the capital, the smartest recruits enrolled in ich oglan (“boys for internal service”). They were sent to the Sultan's Palace School. In the future, with a certain amount of luck, a brilliant career awaited them. The rest fell into the category of ajami oglan (“boys for external service”).

That is, there was no special recruitment specifically “for Janissaries”.