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Longing for the meanings. Are Russians ready to return to the Soviet past?

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Source: vestnik-belovo.ru


Post-Soviet myth-making


Nostalgia for the Soviet Union has accompanied Russians since the very collapse of the empire. Sociologists of the Levada Center at the end of the last century pointed to up to 75% of the country's citizens who regretted the collapse of the USSR. Almost twenty years have passed. In 2018, similar studies found a decrease in sympathizers, but only up to 66%. According to the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, by the mid-2000s, positive and negative assessments of the collapse of the USSR fluctuated depending on the events of domestic and international life.

And at all times the older generations regretted the collapse of the country more than the younger. Fewer young people are interested in the past, including the Soviet one, and for many the disintegration of the USSR is the same gray-haired историяlike the 1917 revolution. Accordingly, almost a fifth of Russians, mostly under 25, find it difficult to give any assessment of the liquidation of the USSR. And more than 10% of respondents in Russia do not know at all that the USSR collapsed almost thirty years ago and the Commonwealth of Independent States was formed. In Belarus there are 9% of such, in Ukraine - more than 20%.

At the same time, myths about the warm and prosperous Soviet past are surprisingly easy to fall into the minds of young people.


Source: neizvestniy-geniy.ru

In sociology, such a term even appeared: the index of nostalgia for the USSR, which measures the share of empathizers among different age groups. However, according to many researchers, over the past three decades, the nature of the nostalgia of fellow citizens has changed. In the late 90s, sadness over the superpower's political and military might, as well as relative financial well-being, came to the fore. Decades later, the bitterness of loss for social well-being and interpersonal relationships came to the fore. Gradually, the notorious longing for a lost power is replaced by a longing for meanings (they are so lacking in modern Russia). To the greatest extent, nostalgia concerns the period of Brezhnev's stagnation - a time when political "frosts" and increased censorship in the sphere of culture were accompanied by the formation of a modern urban consumer society. As it seems to contemporaries, it was then that the notorious and subjective feeling of stability appeared - the inviolability of the foundations and general order of everyday life.

The whole post-Soviet myth-making is based on the delusion about the welfare state and social solidarity, embodied in the memories of the social guarantees of the Brezhnev era. First of all, we are talking about free medicine, education and housing. In 2017, a large-scale study took place, according to which Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev was on the first line of the rating of Russians' preferences. 56% of the respondents pointed to Brezhnev as the leader under whom life was best in the country. And it should be noted that since 1990 the share of people who think similarly has decreased by only 3 pp. Yeltsin (7%) is in second place with a gigantic lag, and life was worst (according to respondents) under Lenin, Stalin, Chernenko , Andropov and Gorbachev.

Since there is some kind of nostalgia, it is quite possible to monetize it. Various online communities and online sites dedicated to Soviet history are growing in modern culture, as well as specific vintage fashion and whole design directions are developing. For example: the groups on VKontakte "USSR - Let's remember the best" and "USSR. Total Recall ”gained almost 800 thousand subscribers. The Founding Fathers in the group descriptions quote something like this:

“This group is for those who have something to remember ... This group is nostalgia, giving everyone the opportunity to see what those who were born in the USSR lived with, what surrounded them in childhood, youth ... How little we needed to be happy! "

Recall that most of the subscribers were born after 1991.

When applied to the design culture, it is worth recalling the appearance of the presidential limousine "Aurus", in some details echoing the Stalinist ZIS-110.

In science fiction literature, a whole "hit" genre was born. In simple plots, the main characters of the works magically find themselves either in the era of the Great Patriotic War, or in the period of the late USSR. In both cases, historically informed characters influence the fate of entire states, and also save the Soviet Union from collapse.

At the same time, post-communist nostalgia is not unique to Russia: fond memories of the socialist camp are not uncommon among residents of Central and Eastern Europe and, naturally, in the states of the former USSR. In many of them, totalitarianism is still built on the foundation of the historical legacy of the Soviet Union.

Generation Z is nostalgic


"A pie - 5 kopecks, lemonade - 10 kopecks, ice cream - 15 kopecks, and you can walk on the street all day."

Parents of Generation Z representatives born in the early 2000s share approximately such warm memories. Parents of "zetas" in the era of the USSR were children and absorbed all the best, not noticing the shortcomings of the surrounding reality. Mythical justice, social equality, and stability seem to be typical features of the order that the parents of Z's children unconsciously "remember" about. At the same time, modern children, satiated with a consumer lifestyle, are seduced in socialism by these mythical categories.

Modern research suggests that Gen Z is generally more socially active than its predecessors. Representatives of the digital age go to protests and rallies, create successful communication channels in which they exchange ideas and promote their ideals, participate in volunteer movements and similar stories. Sociologists and anthropologists argue that

"The current young generation has a clear demand for social justice and a desire to live in an independent, great country, and this is impossible without the solidarity of generations and the identification of today's Russia with the Soviet Union."

An important contribution to the distorted perception of the younger generation of the history of the late USSR is made by contemporary culture and mass media. For example, the so-called positive nostalgia prevails in cinema, broadcasting symbols of the Soviet era that are significant for the older generation: songs, images, heroes, ideology, the understanding that society has a specific goal - the construction of socialism. At the same time, negative nostalgia, associated, in particular, with the victims of Stalinist repressions, is deliberately kept silent or taken out of the brackets of works of art.


Source: ic.pics.livejournal.com

However, when Gen Z is immersed in the reality of the Soviet Union, the situation of delight is replaced by other emotions. The famous mystery of the times of stagnation and the late USSR: "Long, green, smells of sausage." Answer: "Train". This episode of Soviet life knocks down young people who associate the past with completely different concepts. Accustomed to going to a nearby supermarket for any need, the Zetas simply do not understand the possibility of a total deficit.

Or an example about communal apartments with one toilet for 20-30 people. But this accompanied the Soviet people for several generations. In the "dock" period, young people could easily imagine, and often even plan a trip abroad or a vacation in the Mediterranean. In the history of the Soviet Union, this was akin to fantasy.

Such negative nostalgia is not at all to the liking of the consumer generation Z, which gives rise to a certain duality of perception of the historical heritage among young people. On the one hand, parents and grandparents remember only good things (along with film culture), and on the other hand, a detailed study of the issue reveals unsightly moments.

A paradoxical assessment of the social realities of the Soviet Union has developed in modern society. For the most part, young Russians assess it positively, but they are not ready to return there. In the new Russia, it turns out, life is much more comfortable, nourishing and safer. And this becomes one of the factors that makes Generation Z shout the famous "Change!"
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 31 October 2020 05: 43
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    At the same time, negative nostalgia, associated in particular with the victims of Stalinist repressions

    Now it's time to talk about the victims of the 90s, Chubais's privatization, bandit lawlessness ... I think more people died.
    Stalin, compared to the scoundrels-oligarchs of the 90s, is just an angel ...
    Boris Berezovsky - LogoVAZ
    Mikhail Khodorkovsky - Rosprom Group (Menatep)
    Mikhail Fridman - Alfa Group
    Peter Aven - Alfa Group
    Vladimir Gusinsky - The Bridge Group
    Alexander Smolensky - SBS-Agro (Capital Savings Bank)
    Vladimir Potanin - Oneximbank
    Vitaly Malkin [3] [4] - Russian loan
    Vladimir Vinogradov - Inkombank

    This seven-bank system harmed our country more than Hitler.
    Of course, it's a pity that a lot of good things left over from the USSR are left in the past ... I hope the future generation will correct our mistakes for the better.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 31 October 2020 05: 49
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      Longing for the meanings. Are Russians ready to return to the Soviet past?

      Not melancholy, but the realization that the country cannot live and develop without an idea, a national strategic ideology, which we do not have now, which is finally coming to the masses ...

      People in search of meaning.

      In the USSR, the ideology was, correct or not, one can argue endlessly on this score, but it was present and felt, and was a motivating, driving force.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 05: 58
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        Left to the mercy of fate, young people dream of either leaving Russia ... or returning the USSR. The limited choice provided by the "gang state" is no longer interesting for them.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 31 October 2020 06: 33
          -44 qualifying.
          where is she abandoned? you here are a little wishful thinking. because in fact they are not given anything. I recently came across a huge construction site about which 99 percent are sure and have not heard in Khabarovsk and in the country. Far Eastern educational and sports training center (DUSTSP). its size and capabilities are simply impressive. stadiums training centers. hostel and indoor ice rink. indoor and outdoor arenas. classrooms and laboratories. built without fanfare and noise. and all this is at the expense of the state under some program. we could only dream of it.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 31 October 2020 06: 47
            +9
            Farinelli, don't be rude in your sleep. Otherwise, do it by chance.
          2. Doccor18
            Doccor18 31 October 2020 07: 12
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            Far Eastern educational and sports training center (DUSTSP). its size and capabilities are simply impressive. stadiums training centers. hostel and indoor ice rink. indoor and outdoor arenas. classrooms and laboratories. built without fanfare and noise. and all this is at the expense of the state under some program. we could only dream of it.

            Well, the cherry on the cake - who will be there ??? And how much will that cost??? And will an ordinary family be able to pull this children's sport?
            My colleague's son went to hockey for 8 years. So all her salary went to this section ... They lived on her husband's income. And then SDUSHOR ... There are more opportunities, but also costs. Stick from 15 to 20 thousand rubles. And they happen and break twice a month, especially if you are an attacking player. And so in almost any sport. You need from 10 thousand to infinity rubles per month per child. And if the family is incomplete? Many sports facilities have also been built in our city. And this is good. But ... the availability of even children's, amateur sports is becoming increasingly illusory .. I don't even want to talk about professional sports ..
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 31 October 2020 07: 14
              -52 qualifying.
              Far Eastern State Academy of Physical Culture. built for them. and you wanted clubs for free?))) I understand everything, but you know the prices for the form and the clubs, and it is very expensive even at a minimum. excuse me under the Union, but all the equipment was just awful, believe me. my father from all over the country collected what would be human, from skates to clubs. he had a sports company at his side and through them he got me too. only fiberglass dope was on sale. remember so yellow with a brown hook. sometimes Unions and Leaders could be found in another city. and I am with KOHO as the most thug))), again, thanks to my father's abilities)
              1. polk26l
                polk26l 31 October 2020 08: 06
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                Yes! Sorry for your father and sorry for you! How much have you endured together, getting through the neighboring sport. company state hockey property! This is eternal fear! What if they catch you! But you must have become a "great hockey player ?!" But other boys grew up and became world-class masters, starting with simple skates and homemade golf clubs, playing in the yard, on the nearest pond or frozen river! They took part in the “Golden Puck” competition as a courtyard team, and then went to the Children's and Youth Sports School and improving their skills, then getting into the factory amateur teams, and then into the amateur national teams - CSKA, Spartak, Dynamo, etc. And then they made up invincible USSR national team, which.
                "carried" everyone, including Canada and the USA !!! So, as you can see, even with "terrible equipment", you can achieve high results, but - "for a bad dancer, as you know, something is in the way!"
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 31 October 2020 08: 29
                  -36 qualifying.
                  okay?) have you been to these competitions? I've been. You tell me more fairy tales, I will listen with pleasure. I trained from 6 years old until I got a choice in the life of an SVU or a sports school. chose the first. up to this point, participating in all the competitions that were in general, in principle. and you know when I saw a real job for the only time and felt dependent? in the nineties, a club appeared with us Young Gaidarovets. that's where the guys were sponsored, so they even went to Canada to play. and Gold is still being driven. the guys from Vanino won last year. Transbunker are called. As for my father, I just gave you an example that normal equipment could only be obtained. don't even buy. and what is it good for you?
              2. Doccor18
                Doccor18 31 October 2020 08: 41
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                excuse me under the Union, but all the equipment was just awful, believe me. my father from all over the country collected what would be human, from skates to clubs. ...

                Yes ... the outfit is cool now. But for the majority it is not available. And then what's the point in its quality and beauty. What's the use of a barbell for 70 thousand, if more than one teenager cannot master it?
                When I first came to the gym, I was wearing some kind of shoes and underpants-shorts .. But I was engaged, went to competitions ...
                And when I brought my children to the gym, the price list and prospects were announced to me from the doorway.
                That is why tens of millions went in for sports in the USSR, and now only those with incomes allow. That is why sport in the USSR was MASSIVE, and now one famous goalkeeper says from the TV screen: "hockey is expensive, it is not for everyone .." There is nothing more to add.
                Healthy people are not needed, healthy people do not bring fabulous profits to pharmaceutical companies, tobacco and alcohol tycoons ...
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 31 October 2020 08: 46
                  -27 qualifying.
                  it's not about beauty))) without normal skates, you will never put on good skating. a throw without a good club. without protection, you can injure a child even in childhood, so that hockey will no longer shine for him. you can't get off with cowards) nuggets don't count, this is always an exception
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 31 October 2020 08: 56
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                    ... without protection, you can injure your child as a child so that hockey will no longer shine for him. you can't get off with cowards ..

                    Anyone can be injured in any outfit. And especially a child. That's what the COACH is for.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 02
                      -9
                      By the way, you are also right. the coach is very important. our year was super-duper, I still remember him with a kind word, and a year younger is a quiet horror .... as for injuries in hockey, you must agree that everything is a little more dangerous than in other sports. I do not in any way humiliate other gaming)
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 20
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    it's not about beauty))) without normal skates, you will never put on good skating. a throw without a good club.

                    Hockey stick? hockey stick ..... No, we have not heard this in the USSR.
                  3. Artunis
                    Artunis 1 November 2020 16: 04
                    15
                    So the question immediately arises, if everything was so bad and sad with sports in the USSR, as you said, but now it is so good and with good equipment there are no problems - where are the results at least closely comparable to Soviet sports ??? It's funny even to compare, alas!
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 1 November 2020 16: 15
                      -13 qualifying.
                      who said that it was bad with sports? the conversation was about ordinary mass sports for which specifically in hockey there was nothing of its own at least somehow resembling normal equipment. for the base club, which simply selected players around the country for themselves and for the national team, they did not regret it. really collected nuggets. locked up at the bases. Let me remind you that the North Americans rolled into any tournament from the train, roughly speaking. this does not belittle our victories, but the facts are hard to deny. the fact that everyone then just fled as soon as the opportunity opened in the NHL does not mean anything to you?
                  4. zenion
                    zenion 5 November 2020 15: 12
                    +1
                    carstorm 11 (Dmitry) Away. Woman, what are your beautiful photos, probably an expensive camera. Your guest and your soup is excellent, probably an expensive saucepan.
                2. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 09: 37
                  -27 qualifying.
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  Yes ... the outfit is cool now. But for the majority it is not available. And then what's the point in its quality and beauty. What is the use of a barbell for 70 thousand, if more than one teenager cannot master it

                  You, my dear, do not seem to have had, and have nothing to do with, Soviet sports ...
                  To be clear, for the defenders (and forwards) of Soviet sports.
                  When the Soviet national hockey team came to Canada to host the famous super-series in 1972, the entire hockey world of Canada gasped when they saw what the famous USSR hockey players were wearing for rolling and training. By the standards of the Canadians, it was not a form, but some kind of horror - torn and tattered. The quality of the pads, elbow pads, knee pads, and chest pads was terrible, heavy and poorly holding the puck. The equipment of the Soviet goalkeepers also left much to be desired - it was much heavier than the one in which the drunken hockey players of the Canadian capital played. And for the game everyone was given a new uniform and equipment.
                  Injuries in professional sports were off the charts. And hockey players, in terms of the number of injuries received, were in the lead in the lists of chronic injuries.
                  For the countries of the social camp, hockey equipment was produced by the Czechs, the company Jofa. Their products were better than those produced in the USSR, but still did not reach the required level of protection for hockey players. Jofa hockey helmets have elicited the grins and smirks of Canadians and Americans.
                  It was starting with the USSR-Canada series that our hockey players began to buy gloves and helmets for their hard-earned money, for the prize money. And it is easy to check from photos and videos of those times.
                  The situation was not much better for the players.
                  And then what to say about the alpine skiing of the USSR times?
                  The USSR could allow the development of mass sports at the grassroots level. No more.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 31 October 2020 10: 13
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                    You, my dear, do not seem to have had, and have nothing to do with, Soviet sports ...

                    I had.
                    In the national team, of course, was not. But he worked in the ring for 8 years. CCM.
                    And I didn't have my own gloves for the first two years. So what.
                    Explaining ..

                    What can you explain to me?
                    Hand-to-hand combat for my daughters costs about 30 thousand a month. These are trips to competitions, hotels ... Sometimes sponsors appear and pay for travel, and sometimes not. You have to yourself. And how do you tell the child that she was preparing in vain, and this competition will pass her by, because dad has no money. In the meantime, I can bear these costs. And my neighbor is the father of 5 children. Works at a construction site, wife at home with children. These children, 99,99999%, will not attend the sections. And in the Soviet Union only desire was needed to play sports.
                    ... evoked the grins and smirks of Canadians and Americans.

                    And the final score on the scoreboard caused annoyance and anger ...
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 10: 57
                      -36 qualifying.
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      What can you explain to me?

                      That you are carrying a blizzard ...
                      I played both handball and basketball. From 73rd to 79th.
                      What was given out - T-shirts and underpants (at times), did not make the weather. But there was a problem with the shoes. We played in sneakers. Purchased at their own expense. There was no sneaker to buy. They were allocated from the fund of the Regional Sports Federation. At a price of 10 rubles. For teens. 15 rubles - for adults. Not everyone could afford it. Quality sucks. Ankle injuries were normal. I quit basketball due to a compression injury to my knee.
                      We have footballers of the Higher League of the USSR in sneakers on the field - a normal phenomenon.
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      These children, 99,99999%, will not attend the sections. And in the Soviet Union only desire was needed to play sports.

                      Leave this propaganda of poverty to others. In the USSR, playing sports at the grassroots level was a way to take children off the street, from teenage gangs, which were unmeasured in every district of the city, in every village. Since during the holidays there were three options for "rest" - to wander the streets in search of adventure to their fifths, or attend sports sections under the supervision of a coach (but without any prospects for success), or go to a music school. The same, not free. In music schools, instruments were not given at home. Tuition fee - 2 rubles per month. Plus - the cost of a musical instrument (from harp to guitar) is usually of poor quality.
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 18: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        We have footballers of the Higher League of the USSR in sneakers on the field - a normal phenomenon.


                        Football players play in boots, not sneakers. And when did the USSR Supreme League play in sneakers? This was not the case in the 80s.
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 1 November 2020 19: 39
                        -6
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        Football players play in boots, not sneakers

                        How old are you, vyunosh?
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        This was not the case in the 80s

                        I wish you to get acquainted with the memories of veteran football players, where some of them commemorate the legend of Soviet football, the defender of the Moscow Dynamo, by the name of Nikulin, nicknamed "Autogen". Or rather, his leg, shod in a sneaker in size 46. It was sneakers, not boots, or sneakers ... Otherwise, many forwards could have ended their careers much earlier.
                      3. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 20: 34
                        +7
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        How old are you, vyunosh?


                        I'm old enough to remember the 80s.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I wish you to get acquainted with the memories of veteran footballers


                        You haven't answered the question. Forgot, probably. Let me remind you: "when did the USSR Supreme League play in sneakers?"
                      4. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 1 November 2020 20: 41
                        -8
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying

                        You never answered the question. Forgotten, probably. Let me remind you: "When did the USSR Supreme League play in sneakers?

                        I answered...
                        Seems like they told a lie
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        I'm old enough to remember the 80s.

                        In what other league did the Dynamo football club from Moscow play?
                      5. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 20: 43
                        +5
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I answered...


                        No. And now, instead of answering, you are again trying to discuss your opponent.
                      6. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 1 November 2020 20: 45
                        -8
                        Quote: Eye of the Crying
                        No. And now, instead of answering, you again try to discuss the opponent

                        Why would I discuss an unknown opponent who can only flood what?
                        "What is the question, this is the answer."
          3. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 11: 00
            -24 qualifying.
            Quote: Doccor18
            And the final score on the scoreboard caused annoyance and anger

            This is when the Canadians in Moscow rolled out our "stars" in the return series?
            Or the 80 Olympics final, when the American students took gold?
            fool
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 31 October 2020 13: 00
              +5
              Sport is sport.

              There is a slightly different cartoon, which fans of Soviet sports prefer not to mention. In the USSR, all sports were considered amateur. Although in fact, of course, elite sports and club sports were professional. Where it was possible to push the pros against the students, there were successes. When the bourgeoisie dragged in their pros, it didn't work out quite well. Yes, there have been successes, but not every day.
          4. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 31 October 2020 11: 35
            -26 qualifying.
            Almost 90 percent of all sections and circles of additional education in Khabarovsk are free. Almost 63 thousand small townspeople are engaged in them, - said the head of the upbringing and additional education department of the Ministry of Education and Science of the region, Yulia Matsko. - It is not difficult for parents to find these classes - they all take place in the Palaces of Creativity, environmental centers, centers of technical creativity, as well as in music and sports schools. There are free sections in general education schools
            Source: https://habinfo.ru/chem-zanyat-rebenka-besplatnye-sektsii-dlya-detej-v-habarovske/

            it turns out and free is enough. As for your children, I will say this. if you want to achieve something, then invest if just like that, it's not so difficult to find free. specifically in hand-to-hand combat, my colleagues just teach children in a specialized lyceum with a military bias. I have no doubt that there are such people in many cities of the country. all sorts of patriotic clubs and so on. you just have to look. sport of the highest achievements in the Union that now has always required investments.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 31 October 2020 10: 28
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          Quote: stalkerwalker
          It was starting with the USSR-Canada series that our hockey players began to buy gloves and helmets for their hard-earned money, for the prize money.

          Not quite so, or rather not at all so))))
          Firstly, in those times, which you are talking about, they played mostly without helmets, and especially the Canadians, the goalkeepers were wearing such masks that from a direct hit the puck was knocked out, and this was in all hockey countries.
          Now about the skates, explain to me why the Botas or Dynamo loops were worse, for example. CCM? One more point, if you look at the chronicle, then many hockey players have equipment from the KONO company, which was massively purchased in the Finnish and there was massively produced for the needs of domestic hockey. And if you are interested, I started playing hockey in 1972, just after the series, Dad took me to the section. For the "boys" I played with clubs "Efsi" and "Karjala", and for the boys already KONO good "Blades" I had "Workshops" or "Extra", boots "Dynamo" or "Botas" cost a little more than 20 rubles, riveted themselves, sharpened themselves, but took this into account Coach, Duc here I declare that "Workshops" the sharpening was amazing and even when I got the CCM "irons", they kept the sharpening much worse.
          So I don’t need to cover up about the shitty Soviet ammunition !!! The masters took out Montreal sticks exclusively for force, and Yof's helmets were quite decent; it was very difficult to break them even with a hammer, they tried tongue
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 10: 40
            -30 qualifying.
            Watch the video - there are a lot of them. And compare.
            It was the aforementioned Super-Series 72 that gave rise to thought about what our hockey players are playing.
            The quality of Jofa helmets sucks. This helmet of the design of those times protected nothing.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 October 2020 12: 25
              35
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              This helmet of the design of those times protected nothing.

              In fact, he performed the functionality, and they did not take much care of their heads, but as for the "Faberge", everyone took care of them wink
              And in principle, hockey is generally a traumatic sport, fractures of the ankles, collarbones, arms are quite normal, as well as shaking and lost teeth, so a coward does not play hockey !!! good bully
              Something like this
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 18: 21
              -21 qualifying.
              Quote: Stroporez
              Something like this

              You have all the information about life in the USSR and Soviet sports from the series "something like that".
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 October 2020 18: 37
              35
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              You have all the information about life in the USSR and Soviet sports from the series "something like that".

              Colleague, well now you are wrong smile I outlined what I know about hockey ammunition during the USSR. I didn’t tell you about handball and water polo, because I don’t know what balls and in what swimming trunks they played wink
              My nostalgia is not measured by skates and hockey sticks, but by the 30th anniversary of my normal, happy working life and the life of the country. And ebnoputinism is to blame for this, which turned a prosperous country into a trash heap in every sense.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 31 October 2020 11: 50
        -13 qualifying.
        also forgotten Salvo. the worse? I can explain on my fingers. Dynamos were not suitable for ice hockey from the word at all. very weak to destroy. many times saw how the skate just flew away. These are skates for outdoor activities but not for play. although the blade is not bad. Botas needed to be used more, but if memory serves, they are more suitable for training. there is practically no protection. By the way, let me remind you that they cost a lot of money. in my opinion from 60 rubles. salvo 75.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 31 October 2020 12: 42
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          they cost a lot of money. in my opinion from 60 rubles. salvo 75.

          Salvo is generally Baltic cocoa, for Dynamo I can say that at that time it was quite normal., They still hang in the garage. I explain that at that time the boots were all about the same level, even the CCM was already "irons" model, like Mario Lemieux laughing with a white stripe on the heel, the puck was held regardless of the blades, I won't argue, they were different, but the Workshops are a masterpiece !!!
          It is clear that it is NOT possible to compare with new technologies, well, so the pros start at a price tag of 2 tyrs of raccoons.
          Shl. it's better not to argue with me about prices, you can only consult bully
          I bought skates with my own money, earned in the summer on vacations and with the collected desyuns good
    2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 31 October 2020 18: 31
      -13 qualifying.
      You will not prove anything to them (by this). Servants of the devil ... Or stood close to the feeding trough of the regional committee-city committee KaPeEsS ...
  2. Per se.
    Per se. 31 October 2020 09: 51
    44
    Quote: Doccor18
    Yes ... the outfit is cool now.
    Now there is a lot that is "cool", only in this article, under the photo with empty shelves, the author is clearly disingenuous. In fact, the USSR was being prepared for collapse, coupons for vodka and sugar under Gorbachev, empty shelves, this is what all sorts of "mouthpieces of capitalism" are now rubbing in, working out their silversmiths.

    Definitely, no one was starving, yes, they went to Moscow for sausage under Brezhnev, but only because in Moscow the supply was much better, and you could buy everything at once. What, the same Moscow stores of that era were not shown in the photo? About security and confidence in the future and to compare with the present is stupid.

    There are a lot of goods now, but where are they produced? Continuous China, from toys and pencils, the same weights and barbells, to complex household appliances. It's good if Belarusian goods still come across, Russian ones, in their own market, clearly do not dominate. Products? Yes, everything is piled high, but are you not too lazy to bring potatoes from Egypt? Out of a dozen cans of different stews, it's good if you find at least one manufacturer, where there is no "tumor" in its own juice in the jar. Everything and everyone is being boiled, there is practically no tobacco in cigarettes, paper dust with chemical impregnation. And this is smoked by young people, I have never seen in Soviet times, and so many women who smoke, grind it to the left and right, in fact, these are down-and-out drug addicts who can no longer stop sucking this rubbish.

    Of course, there are quality goods, as there are those for whom a five-thousandth ruble bill is not money. Now all films are mainly about palaces and millionaires, effective managers, and not about cooks and high-rise installers living in small apartments or hostels.

    Also, earlier, pensioners did not rummage through garbage dumps, and grandmothers did not ask for alms at grocery stores, they did not collect money for children from the TV screen for operations.
    Thirty years have passed, and all the achievements of the current government are a backlog from the Soviet past, and this margin of safety from a space and nuclear superpower is not infinite, as are natural resources sold "wholesale and retail." There are continuous "optimizations" and abbreviations, under the well-known - "there is no money, but you are holding on." Draconian interest from banks, while priority for foreigners, and the Central Bank is generally the actual "six" of the IMF and the Fed, moreover, as it turns out directly according to the law written to us.

    So why rejoice in front of the past, raising the retirement age, or even the prospect of losing this pension from an economical and caring government, actually paid medicine and problem education?
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 31 October 2020 19: 15
      +5
      where are they produced? Solid China


      In the south of the country, I have already seen in a chain store canned mushrooms made in China from Chinese mushrooms, unfamiliar to me - otherwise some Chinese food company tried to enter a market far from them and "launched probes" - sent a batch to assess the market.
      The cost of food is increasing all over the world. Now the technologies of canning and packaging will make another technological breakthrough and products in the world will grow in price - and the Chinese and the local food industry will replace machine building and electronics just as successfully.
      Palm oil is already being transported from far away - is this not evidence that the food market is globalized and monopolized, which is worse than the global electronics market.
      1. Misha Smirnov_2
        Misha Smirnov_2 4 November 2020 14: 32
        -1
        Chinese beer on mushrooms is amazingly tasty ...
        They make delicious vodka.

        It's hard to think of something like this even .. We teach each other through trade.
  3. Alexy
    Alexy 31 October 2020 10: 42
    -16 qualifying.
    And now you can go in for sports, if you wish. And the sport can be chosen with minimal equipment costs (hockey does not apply here). There are even free sections, although the choice is limited.
  • Private89
    Private89 31 October 2020 09: 03
    49
    In the new Russia, it turns out, life is much more comfortable, nourishing and safer.

    A story from the life of a family, my mother in Soviet times studied in the city of Kemerovo at the university, and she herself lived in the city of Anzhero-Sudzhensk 100 km from Kemerovo, and went home every weekend, you know how? By plane! Corners flew to a small town of 100 thousand inhabitants and was an airfield. We now have a student who can afford to fly every weekend by plane, but in small towns there are airfields for small aircraft?

    More about freedom of movement.
    They say that in Soviet times it was impossible to go abroad, we will omit the opportunity to go to the countries of the social camp, even if it is impossible, but now you can safely go, although those who say so modestly keep silent that 70% of Russians do not have a passport.

    So everywhere in capitalism there are a bunch of declarative freedoms, but to use them you need capital, and whoever has capital under this system, only oligarchs, speculators and thieves who are in high esteem in this system.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 45
      40
      Quote: Private 89
      So everywhere in capitalism there are a bunch of declarative freedoms, but to use them you need capital, and whoever has capital under this system, only oligarchs, speculators and thieves who are in high esteem in this system.

      Comrade, are you also going to rock the clip? I am angry with the Soviet regime, it was impossible to light Ilyich's lamps for everyone, because a gloomy consciousness should live in darkness. good
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 21: 05
      0
      Quote: Private 89
      More about freedom of movement.
      They say that in Soviet times it was impossible to go abroad, we will omit the opportunity to go to the countries of the social camp, even if it is impossible, but now you can calmly


      Nowadays it is enough to have money to travel abroad. And in Soviet times, in addition to money, a trip abroad needed the approval of the party organization. This is the difference.

      Quote: Private 89
      go, though those who say so modestly keep silent that 70% of Russians do not have a passport.


      And in the USSR, how many percent of citizens did not have a passport, can you tell me?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 2 November 2020 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Nowadays it is enough to have money to travel abroad. And in Soviet times, in addition to money, a trip abroad needed the approval of the party organization. This is the difference.

        He-he-he ... if only. I remember how in 1988 at our school with in-depth study of the bourgeois language the order came - to allocate two people for the emerging school delegation traveling to the United States. These two candidates then went through the seven circles of hell - from the class level (where we simulated a discussion of already appointed and selected candidates) to the city level. It lasted six months. And yet no one went anywhere. smile
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 2 November 2020 16: 32
          -2
          The party organization did not approve their candidacy smile
    3. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2020 12: 16
      -1
      Quote: Private 89
      They are modestly silent that 70% of Russians do not have a passport.
      -
      1) you forgot to add the documents of sailors and diplomats
      2) you forgot that a passport is generally issued from the age of 14.
      3) you forgot about people who are physically unable to travel anywhere, including non-transportable ones. For example, after a plane crash, I don’t fly and they won’t lure me into aircraft anymore repeat

      Thus - at least 50% of the population have passports ... and there are practically no restrictions on obtaining it, well, except for secrecy
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 31 October 2020 11: 18
    11
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Far Eastern State Academy of Physical Culture. built for them. and you wanted clubs for free?))) I understand everything, but you know the prices for the form and the clubs, and it is very expensive even at a minimum. excuse me under the Union, but all the equipment was just awful, believe me. my father from all over the country collected what would be human, from skates to clubs. he had a sports company at his side and through them he got me too. only fiberglass dope was on sale. remember so yellow with a brown hook. sometimes Unions and Leaders could be found in another city. and I am with KOHO as the most thug))), again, thanks to my father's abilities)

    I was engaged in hockey in a courtyard club, every season (since I grew up) they gave out equipment, except for skates, only they bought skates themselves, since salva is better than a dynamo. The clubs were brought in packs for each game, as they broke. The quality was better than today's china ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 October 2020 16: 54
    -13 qualifying.
    Judging by your disadvantages, there is a whole conglomerate of them. There is no need to explain something to them. Classic: Kid, there's a whole gang of them! hi drinks good
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 18: 21
      -18 qualifying.
      Well, children love to measure up with cons. Unfortunately, few people are capable of anything else, including a substantive dispute with facts. I am an adequate person and if you screw me up with facts, I am quite inclined to change my mind. only they are not there as always. some slogans.
      1. passerby
        passerby 1 November 2020 05: 38
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Well, children love to measure up with cons. Unfortunately, few people are capable of anything else, including a substantive dispute with facts. I am an adequate person and if you screw me up with facts, I am quite inclined to change my mind. only they are not there as always. some slogans.

        Leave these sectarians alone, they are just believers, and asking believers to present facts is pointless - they have no facts. They simply believe that it was better in the USSR than it is now, and the victory of communism is inevitable.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 1 November 2020 11: 26
    -3
    Lack of equipment is a direct consequence of the lack of sufficient production and competition between manufacturers, since 2-3 enterprises throughout the country are a bunch of history. Now little has changed, but there is import production that is focused on this. As a result, price-regulator: buy-don't buy.
  • Living7111972
    Living7111972 31 October 2020 14: 22
    14
    I fought in my youth and growing up until I was 25. Wrestling shoes and tights cost a penny. We had a rocking chair, shower, sauna in the hall. We did everything ourselves, stole it, got it. We were not bandits, although we could break in. Our coach was the deputy dean of the physical culture faculty of the pedagogical institute, he did not allow hooliganism.
    We grew up healthy and strong.
    And if you invest in a hockey player, we will not deceive anyone, you want to make money on him. Give it to the professionals.
    You don't need to run anything but galoshes - they do not slide
  • nemez
    nemez 31 October 2020 07: 35
    30
    You may be building, at the expense of the state. And on TV they ask for the treatment of children. No one else - the people will pull everything out.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 08: 37
      -28 qualifying.
      and in the USSR, children with cancer simply died. and that's a fact. since then oncology was not just flawed but zero. any doctor will tell you this. and if drugs are needed that the USSR did not produce, you understand the outcome of a person's life in this case? just for example to you, by 85, somewhere from leukemia in the USSR, 5 percent of patients recovered. in Europe and the States-70 !!!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 31 October 2020 08: 45
        30
        and in the USSR, children with cancer simply died
        on the open Putin line, a girl all over the country complained that there was no way to be treated for cancer. And what?
        And under the tsar, people did not die from oncology, probably then, unlike the Soviet one, they were treated well? You are Mr. Pechkov, at least sometimes think before speaking.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 31 October 2020 08: 54
          -20 qualifying.
          you distort what I said. and doing it very ugly. what does the time of the king have to do with it. when in the world everything was already treated at this level, in the USSR this level was not even close. and people could not survive in principle. there was no chance. now he is at least for the money. plus oncology has tightened. the girl is now indignant at the fact that there is no money, but then she would simply cry from helplessness, since, in principle, no one would be able to help her even if you collect or do something there. do you understand the difference? remember the film state border? Is sailor Gamayun such a hero? Denisov is his last name. Do you know how he died? he had to take a sick child to the States to work as a loader. Well, Fetisov, who had already left, gave him shelter. in the Union it was not treated. she would die here. and he broke his life but the child was cured there. here's the survival rate for a simple example. and the child would have died if the borders had not been opened one hundred percent. there he stayed in the end so that the daughter could live as it was necessary to be treated further.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 14
            52
            Quote: carstorm 11
            when in the world everything was already treated at this level, in the USSR this level was not even close.

            Is it strange that you survived in the USSR? It's some kind of mistake... belay
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 25
              -28 qualifying.
              these are facts. I do not like it, but it makes no sense to argue with them. I do not deny the good of those times, but I am not going to forget the bad either.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 33
                46
                Quote: carstorm 11
                these are facts. I do not like it, but it makes no sense to argue with them. I do not deny the good of those times, but I am not going to forget the bad either.

                I, too, constantly blame the Soviet government for teaching absolutely everyone to write, there was no need to do this! am
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 34
                -26 qualifying.
                Well, so blame. what have I got to do with it?
              3. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 39
                47
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Well, so blame. what have I got to do with it?

                you? And you are a bright representative of those who did not need to be taught.
              4. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 44
                -23 qualifying.
                they forgot to ask your opinion on this matter) I am an ordinary representative of my generation. I am no different from the majority. and what the state gave me, I respectfully returned everything honestly serving her for her good. and I have the right to both opinion and criticism of everything that I myself have seen in my life.
              5. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 55
                35
                Quote: carstorm 11
                they forgot to ask your opinion on this)

                Quote: carstorm 11
                and I have the right as an opinion

                Unfortunately, you learn about your thoughts from what you have written and it continues to amuse me. Go ahead, write on .. laughing
                Quote: carstorm 11
                that he himself saw in life.

      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 November 2020 13: 14
        +5
        But the great German doctors didn't cure Raisa Gorbachev ...
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 November 2020 13: 45
        -14 qualifying.
        not everyone can be helped there either. the harsh truth of life. talk about those who could be helped but simply could not. the same can be traced simply. from simple drugs that the Union did not make and therefore people could not have access to them until treatment technologies. One person once told me that everything in the USSR stopped in the seventies. by the nineties, this lag became simply terrible in pharmacology and in diagnostics. until the seventies everything was normal but then a sharp stop. with what it is connected, I do not know. but this is a fact.
      4. nobody75
        nobody75 1 November 2020 20: 53
        -1
        one person once told me that everything in the USSR stopped in the seventies

        It's simple - Kosygin's reforms have sunk in oil.
        Sincerely
      5. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2020 12: 21
        -1
        chemistry went more subtle ... and our drug production then remained at the level of the German factories of the 1940s. Therefore, all drugs and wanted imported
  • Stas157
    Stas157 31 October 2020 10: 56
    22
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: carstorm 11
    when in the world everything was already treated at this level, in the USSR this level was not even close.

    Is it strange that you survived in the USSR? It's some kind of mistake. belay

    hi Greetings colleague! This error is doing well now - it fluctuates along with the EdRa line. He turned out to be a very good opportunist!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 18: 02
      -16 qualifying.
      I've already told you about 20 times that I don't care about the parties and the authorities. and learn to speak politely. I don't seem to be rude to you. unlike you and your colleagues, I just don't like whining. and used to solving problems and not discussing them.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 October 2020 09: 45
    24
    About juggling. That girl died. Denisov left in 1990, these are Gorbachev's times, only the name remained from the Union. There was such a performer, to the positor Stanislav Pozhlakov was seriously ill, creative figures then wrote a letter to the governor. And the governor was Matvienka, not only did she not give a penny for treatment, she did not even answer the letter.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 55
      -26 qualifying.
      I know when he left. but not for those opportunities? Dasha died? in 16 she was alive. As for Matvienko and her act, I am not her judge. although disgusting. in any case, the very fact that treatment became available at least for money saved many children. without all this, the chances were zero. Then the USSR was not just lagging behind. the lag was catastrophic.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 33
    -11 qualifying.
    Unfortunately, in the USSR, a big bolt was put on the civilian sector back in the 60s, putting the military-industrial complex in first place. With drugs, the same theme.
  • polar fox
    polar fox 31 October 2020 09: 04
    32
    Quote: carstorm 11
    and in the USSR, children with cancer simply died. and that's a fact.

    oga ... we had 11 first grades of 40 people each. one child died (froze, got hypothermia and ...) none of them died of cancer. but now the kids are dying from stopping the engine. can not stand walking.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 11
      -29 qualifying.
      you do not confuse warm with soft. we did not talk about the statistics of morbidity, but we talked about the statistics of recovery. it's different. it's great that among all your friends everything is so great. and my grandmother died of breast cancer. and more than 45 thousand women fall ill with it a year in about Russia.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 1 November 2020 11: 18
      +6
      He wrote nonsense, nonsense. I don't like communists, but facts are facts. My friend, he is now 46 years old, had a bone sarcoma on his right leg at the age of 12, and he lived in a village. So, he was sent by helicopter to the regional center, and then to Moscow. They saved his leg, he did not even receive a disability, he was naturally not taken into the army later. And everything is free. What would happen now, I think everyone understands.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 November 2020 11: 36
        -11 qualifying.
        and read what I for example wrote about leukemia religion does not allow?) Do not mix everything in a heap. Soviet oncology was backward in the form of TREATMENT and this was recognized by everyone even then. and everything worked only when scientists got access to world achievements. surgical solutions are not a cure. then they could cut it very well. but there is no cure.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 1 November 2020 11: 54
          0
          Yes, I myself do not like those times, all this dripping on the brain, this musty atmosphere, the inability to buy books that I liked, only technical and communist books were on the shelves. And the impossibility for people who can start their own business. I can't understand why a person cannot work for himself in this theory? I soberly assess my abilities, and I understand that I will not be able to open my own business, but I respect those who can, but naturally, if he does all this honestly.
          But where are the patrons now, people who cost nothing to help a sick child? Here at the bus stop there was a photograph of a child with a very rare disease, asking for help. There you need two injections, and the price of each is about 500 thousand dollars. That is why that Prokhorov could not be helped, for him it’s nothing, and save his soul, because it will be counted, then, we are all not eternal. But there are no such people on the horizon.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 1 November 2020 12: 04
            -10 qualifying.
            I have no answer to this question. I am inclined to think that such requests simply do not reach these people through hundreds of employees and assistants. and they brush them off. it's just that these same people sponsor heaps of charitable foundations, and apparently it's simply impossible to get to them directly. IMHO of course.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 31 October 2020 10: 52
    21
    Quote: carstorm 11
    by 85, somewhere from leukemia in the USSR, 5 percent of patients recovered. in Europe and the States-70 !!!

    Tongue like a broom. "In the United States, the 5-year survival rate for all forms of leukemia is 39 and 38% among white men and women and 30 and 31% among black men and women, respectively. In Western Europe, 5% survive 27 years, and in developing countries - about 15 % of patients with leukemia. Survival has significantly improved in children with ALL. In the early 60s of the last century in the United States, the 5-year survival rate was no more than 4%. By the end of the 80s. 5-year survival of children with ALL was 72% Over the same period, the 5-year survival rate of children with AML increased from 3% to 31%. However, the survival rate among adults with AML remains unchanged. The 5-year survival rate of CLL remains unchanged at 30-70%. depending on the stage of the disease "http://www.oncology.ru/specialist/epidemiology/malignant/C91/
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 11: 01
      -27 qualifying.
      I will not argue with you. even when you pull the hotel phrase out of context from a huge article without specifying specific leukemias by group and so on. my wife is a doctor. and all her entourage are doctors. I somehow got used to listening to them rather than the Internet and so on.
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      2. depressant
        depressant 31 October 2020 15: 16
        20
        Well, finished arguing about golf clubs and sausage trains?
        Now let me tell you.

        The Soviet people, led by Comrade Stalin and the generals, won the Great Patriotic War, and the subsequent rulers of the USSR lost it. They not only lost it in a fair struggle of ideologies, they deliberately played along with the enemy, they basely betrayed the Soviet people and surrendered the country to the enemy.
        We WIN by putting 8 million of our warriors on the battlefield - the color of the nation! - and they sold us vile and meanly.

        They sold us to a potential enemy, and at first we did not even understand this. Apparently, sickly neurolinguists worked to do this with the educated population ...

        I appeal to the younger generation: guys, are you really sure that the USSR was economically so weak and weak that it was not able to produce beautiful women's clothes and high-quality consumer goods at the level of the best world standards? Yes, fullness! The industrially mighty USSR could do anything! There was an order from above.
        But the task was different - to surrender the USSR. And for this it was necessary to convince the Soviet people of the advantages of the capitalist system.
        Khrushchev hurried, immediately organized a deficit, raised food prices, and the people, still feeling themselves victorious in the Second World War, raised an uprising in Novocherkassk, suppressed with blood and brutality. I fully admit that this was a deliberate provocation, and the subsequent brutality of reprisals was supposed to instill fear in the souls of people, stir up memories of military losses, the horrors of war, psychologically break down and thereby knock out the self-esteem of the people. Knock it out once and for all. But the government was also afraid. There was also a conclusion: they hurried! So it is necessary to prepare the people for the surrender of ideology softer, more cunning and meaner ...



        And this could only be done by a shortage of food, good clothes and household appliances. And so that the ordinary Soviet person had something to compare with, it was allowed to penetrate into the country a certain amount of consumer goods from the Western world - by legal means and illegal. And the citizens compared! Subconsciously developing in oneself a doubt about the loyalty of the chosen ideology.
        And the government of the USSR fed free of charge to half of the world --- Africa, Asia, the Middle East, leaving its own population half-starved under the pretext of international solidarity with the "oppressed". Building factories, factories, dams, etc. there. At the same time, exporting huge amounts of money abroad - as practice has shown, also free of charge. That is, the population of their own country was actively robbed by its government.

        You have the right to doubt: if the USSR government wanted to surrender the country to an ideological enemy, with what joy did it create a powerful army and an advanced weapons system?
        And with this.
        Here is, say, a poor, half-savage African country, the ruler of which can be bought for glass beads and a small amount of green paper, appropriating its richest mineral deposits. And here is the mighty USSR with its army, weapons, industry and educated population. Here, the purchase price of the ruling elite is different - the right, along with the colonialists, to participate in the development of mineral resources and even to appropriate some deposits.

        This is all the younger generation needs to know, namely: how ideology is killed and how the country is sold.
        Take a look around!
        Sound familiar?
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 39
          -13 qualifying.
          Are you kidding?
          List the Soviet Nobel laureates in economics ....
          The USSR really could not produce beautiful clothes - because of the division of labor in the socialist camp. Yugoslav economists developed a scheme in which we supplied the "smaller brothers" with oil, they resold it to the west, took out a loan there, built a refinery and made consumer goods. For oil we paid for consumer goods, and for a loan - our oil. Luka is working on this scheme now.
          Pay attention, as soon as the price of oil fell and there was nothing to buy "Belarusian shrimps", the "Maidan" began immediately.
          Sincerely
          1. depressant
            depressant 31 October 2020 22: 15
            +8
            Colleague, just yesterday on one of the topics I talked about: 40 ministries spawned by the mid-80s, each of which had several economic institutions that did not produce economic science, but dissertations based on references to their works same employees. Want to blur the problem? Create several scientific institutes, departments, departments, commissions on it, and everything will happily get bogged down in the correspondence between them, in endless agreements, meetings, business trips, presentations ...
            And this style of doing business is inherited in our time. This was one of the ways to kill the USSR, and now Russia.
            Deputy Prime Minister Belousov sought money from the Central Bank for development, for urgent needs. The Central Bank did not give them - the IMF does not order. Belousov issued bonds so that banks would buy them, and then sold the Central Bank, which would print money so much needed by the country for this business and transfer them in payment to banks for bonds - this is permissible, the IMF allows due to the fall in industrial production to 60% of last year's level ... The money received by the banks was supposed to go into the economy and revive it. Banks took bonds and did not sell them to the Central Bank! Belousov fought to the death with the Central Bank and Siluanov, by some miracle collected all these bonds in VEB, and now the Central Bank is finally buying them back ... Or is it not buying them out? Listen, this story has been going on for many months. And this is just one of many examples of how the country is being strangled by scoundrels according to the methodology established in the USSR.
            And the international division of labor between the CMEA countries is from the same vile clip.
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 31 October 2020 22: 28
            -1
            Dear Colleague - I completely agree with you! I think that Belousov's "ordinary miracle" is connected, firstly, with the lack of demand from banks for ruble liquidity, and secondly, with the peculiarities of the REPO auctions conducted by the Bank of Russia. It turned out to be more profitable for banks to sell bonds on the open market to VEB than to engage in direct REPO from the Central Bank. As a result, only VEB ended up in the REPO scheme, which is much better than the com of banks to finance industrial and infrastructure projects ... But its balance will be greatly inflated ...
            Sincerely
          3. at84432384
            at84432384 31 October 2020 23: 57
            +1
            Well, do not forget that in the USSR and the socialist countries there was state capitalism with all the birthmarks inherent in capitalism, to which the international division of labor belongs. And there is nothing vile, higher production efficiency. It should be noted that all production in the CMEA countries in the USSR was duplicated. And does the number of ministries determine the country's development? Goal-setting is much more important - you are working for the good of your country, or for the good of TNCs. The entire economic bloc of the Russian Federation, headed by the central bank, is working for international globalists, and the ministries are now one or two, and it’s gone ... And all the "economic thought" is being replaced by the MB, the IMF, the FRS.
          4. nobody75
            nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 32
            -2
            Excuse me, you are not aware of the role of TNK Enron in Gazprom's seizure of the European gas market? How did it work, in the interests of TNCs or in the interests of the country? Americans still bite their elbows - they demand a share. Therefore, Maidans, sanctions on "Streams", "Karabakh", etc.
            Sincerely
          5. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 21: 16
            -1
            Quote: nobody75
            Excuse me, you are not aware of the role of TNK Enron in Gazprom's seizure of the European gas market?


            Do you know? Tell us.
  • passerby
    passerby 1 November 2020 05: 52
    +1
    As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in the party, Comrade Trotsky, was a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and expelled from the USSR.
    But after a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests. Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda shot them.
    A little later Yagoda, as an enemy agent, was shot by Yezhov.
    But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria.
    After the death of Stalin, everyone realized that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.
    But soon Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a conspirator. And he sent Zhukov to the Urals.
    And a little later it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a pest and a traitor. And with it, and most of the Politburo. Then Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum, and the political bureau and Shepilov, who joined them, were dispersed by honest party members, led by Khrushchev.
    Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a voluntarist, a rogue, an adventurer and an enemy. Then Brezhnev sent Khrushchev to retire.
    Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a senile, a pest and a cause of stagnation.
    Then there were two more senility, which no one had time to remember, because they died like flies.
    But then a young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out that the whole party was a party of pests and enemies, but he will correct everything now ...
    It was then that the USSR collapsed. And Gorbachev turned out to be an enemy and a traitor.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 1 November 2020 11: 36
    -6
    Here's something there is no desire to live under Comrade Stalin. That the impossibility of resigning from work does not smile, if you want, you cannot call it a pleasure to be a collective farm slave who does not have a passport, and to ask permission from the collective farm chairman for the opportunity to go to the city, settling in the "House of the Collective Farmer" Registration in cities is the same slavery, imprisonment of freedom of movement, and live where you want. Well, yes, of course you could enlist in great construction sites, knead cement in rags, and then get a bed in a hostel, with a residence permit, and permanently attach to this place.
    Criminal crime with this friend went off scale, because socially close. Try to take the risk of going out in those days in hours, you will return without them, and it’s still good if you stay alive. More or less, life in our country began under Brezhnev, this is an underestimated person. It's even surprising that he is a communist, for he is kind and not spiteful.
    And now we have continued socialism - communism, under a different mask.
    1. passerby
      passerby 1 November 2020 12: 11
      -4
      Quote: Ezoterik
      Here's something there is no desire to live under Comrade Stalin. That the impossibility of resigning from work does not smile, if you want, you cannot call it a pleasure to be a collective farm slave who does not have a passport, and to ask permission from the collective farm chairman for the opportunity to go to the city, settling in the "House of the Collective Farmer" Registration in cities is the same slavery, imprisonment of freedom of movement, and live where you want. Well, yes, of course you could enlist in great construction sites, knead cement in rags, and then get a bed in a hostel, with a residence permit, and permanently attach to this place.
      Criminal crime with this friend went off scale, because socially close. Try to take the risk of going out in those days in hours, you will return without them, and it’s still good if you stay alive. More or less, life in our country began under Brezhnev, this is an underestimated person. It's even surprising that he is a communist, for he is kind and not spiteful.
      And now we have continued socialism - communism, under a different mask.
      Wow, now local sectarians will instruct you about the fact that you encroached on their idol - Comrade Stalin :) The only thing I do not agree is that we now have socialism-communism, fortunately there is no state. capitalism, which is accompanied not so much by theft as by the ineffective use of resources, even from those state. corporations that have foreign shareholders and foreigners on supervisory boards. After all, the state. capitalist profit can be obtained in several ways, firstly, like all normal companies, expand the sales market, increase its market share by cutting costs and lowering the price of goods, develop new innovative products, and secondly, using proximity to power, lobby for an increase selling prices for state. monopolists, restrict access to the market of competitors, obtain loans from the state. banks at non-market interest, and then write them off, etc., etc. Of course, the second option is more convenient for the state capitalist, you can draw without straining the revenue and profit that was set for you as KPI, but in fact it is again a complete swindle. However, here I also see parallels with the USSR, they also "negotiated" with the central administrations and ministries in order for the plant to establish a "correct" plan, to be allowed to set a higher selling price, for a supposedly new product whose bolts were changed in places and with such simple manipulations " overfulfilled "plans 2-3 times, received prizes, orders and medals. Therefore, I also see certain parallels with the present times and times of the USSR, only now instead of orders, medals and state. premiums, maybachs, yachts and villas.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 31 October 2020 11: 49
    14
    This is especially funny to read looking at the horror that is happening in the regions because of covidl .. But this is the work of the adored guarantor and his nukers, who optimized the Soviet healthcare system in time .. Remind me - who was broadcasting quite recently that we have half of the beds in the country extra?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 11: 54
      -11 qualifying.
      I did not see horror. Mom has been lying for a week. everything is fine. are treated. everyone is provided. there are enough beds, although he gets sick twice more than in spring and summer. on Monday they will do a CT scan or whatever is correct and watch the dynamics. as for the beds and other things, here half of the VO screamed out loud that covid is a divorce and garbage. and our country is the same. only allowed to fly rushed and dragged the infection to their cities like madmen. but do as in China would yell that they are limited and blah blah blah. where did you get the idea that the Soviet would have coped? the whole world cannot cope with its full complement. completely.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 18: 38
        -9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        concerns beds and other things, here half of the VO screamed out loud that covid is a divorce and garbage. and our country is the same. only allowed to fly rushed and dragged the infection to their cities like madmen. but do as in China would yell that they are limited and blah blah blah. where did you get the idea that the Soviet would have coped? the whole world cannot cope with its full complement. completely.

        That's right ... Those who yesterday yelled at every corner that Covid-19 is nonsense, today are yelling everywhere that no one is being treated.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 37
      -6
      These are the problems of local authorities - how they work for them and the situation with covid.
    3. nobody75
      nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 42
      -2
      In the spring, when there were no treatment methods, beds would have helped a lot. And kovidlobie is the result of the actions of Soviet epidemiologists. They were taught to extinguish the epidemic with draconian measures.
      Sincerely
    4. at84432384
      at84432384 1 November 2020 00: 05
      +2
      Following this logic, you need to cover up the entire military-industrial complex and disband the army, there is no war ... But without the army, you can lose power, but leave the people without medical care, this is normal and even effective!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 01
        -7
        It is not necessary to inflate the military-industrial complex excessively as in the USSR they did more than 30% of GDP accounted for just by it. Now Russia spends 2,5%.
        1. Ivan Kolodin
          Ivan Kolodin 1 November 2020 21: 22
          0
          There were no such figures, yesterday I just listened to the respected Spitsyn Yevgeny Yuryevich, he voiced data on the percentage of the military-industrial complex there, there is not even close to 30%, everything is at the level of ... 5-6%, and only 80 exceeds 10%
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 35
        -2
        No, we need to develop a military-scientific idea ... So that there are no orders: "Cook goulash and attack Sokol". And the regional pompadours are dark guys and they believed the epidemiologists.
        Sincerely
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 31 October 2020 17: 17
    +4
    Yes, and even at the Union there was no anesthesia. And if the USSR continued to exist, would you invent it, and it would not have appeared further? )))
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 18: 05
      -13 qualifying.
      Where did you subtract such nonsense about anesthesia? I personally did not say that. the conversation was about a specific area of ​​medicine - oncology. with her was full of seams.
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 31 October 2020 20: 15
        +6
        So what? Some branches of medicine developed better, some more slowly. Maybe today the Russian Federation is ahead of the rest in cancer treatment? Oh, not too? But today the Russian Federation has shamelessly lagged behind the USSR in the social sphere - that is why you received hundreds of disadvantages from the members of the forum, including from me. We know how to add and subtract, and we well understand that there were more pluses in the USSR than minuses.
        And yet, IMHO, any anti-Soviet is a Russophobe.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 43
          -13 qualifying.
          But today the Russian Federation is shamelessly lagging behind the USSR in the social sphere.

          The Soviet pension system is the usual Malthusian focus.
          Sincerely
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 31 October 2020 21: 59
            +5
            Why, under the USSR, the pension was enough to pay for the communal apartment, but now it is not?
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 31 October 2020 22: 09
            -10 qualifying.
            Let's just look at the 70th year.
            Who retired in 70? That's right - those who were born in 1910.
            They were 1914 years old in 4. Ask about infant mortality in tsarist Russia ...
            In 1917 - 7 years ... It's time to go to school, and then the Revolution.
            In 1920 - 10 ... But bread is bad in the country, and the typhus epidemic is not over yet.
            In 1941 - 31 years ... All went to the front.
            Do you think a lot of people survived to retirement?
            And who will retire in 2020? Those who were born in the 60s. There were no world warriors. Labor clean. There are many people ... Where to get money for them?
            Sincerely
          3. Alt 22
            Alt 22 1 November 2020 13: 49
            +4
            Nonsense, you, dear, forgot not to take into account at least such a simple thing as the increase in labor productivity, which occurred due to automation and the massive introduction of new technologies. Figuratively speaking, if during the Republic of Ingushetia to cultivate 100 hectares of land, 100 horses and 100 plowmen were needed, then under the USSR it was already 10 tractors, and today two or three are enough, that is, thanks to mechanization and automation, productivity has increased tenfold.

            And if in the USSR, with its low productivity for today's times, money for retirement somehow was generally without problems, and at the same time there was not a single oligarch, now the Russian Federation is one of the leaders in terms of the number of millionaires per capita, but - "money no, stay there. " 90% of the national wealth is under the control of 10% of the population of the Russian Federation, this is the answer why there is no money and where to get it.
            And the tales about the fact that someone was not born there are for fools, to whom many people, believe me, do not belong. So what about the "demographic pits from the Tatar-Mongol yoke" I ask you not to lie.
          4. nobody75
            nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 25
            -2
            Sorry, in which Japanese cartoon you saw "automation". All tasks on the route to the shepherd to solve the computer? Open the Fed's website and find the production function in the classic Cobb-Douglas form. Without a factor responsible for scientific and technological progress, increasing labor productivity and other crap, so beloved by Glazyev. And this is in the USA, where Google and Microsoft, Oracle, Intl, etc. What to say about Russia ...
            Tataro - the Mongol yoke is with you. As I understand it, you are one of the participants in the Battle of Kulikovo.
            I did not write about him ... Do you really think that in the course of the two world wars and the civil one in Russia no one died or died prematurely? And how many oligarchs have you personally dispossessed in the interests of the PFR? Or should someone do it again, within the framework of "automation"? The problem of inequality exists all over the world, and so far no one has solved it. And all these naive arguments about the first and last decile groups are in favor of the poor.
            Sincerely
          5. Alt 22
            Alt 22 1 November 2020 17: 41
            +2
            Automation - for example, the introduction of CNC. This, since you do not know what a CNC is and have slept for the last 30 years - an automatic machine operating according to a given program. The use of CNC has dramatically increased labor productivity among turners, milling machines, etc.
            Automation is also used in conveyor assembly, which also speeds up and reduces the cost of the final cost of production, and allows you to do with fewer hands.
            Labor mechanization also increases its productivity, for example, the productivity of new combines is noticeably higher than the productivity of old models.


            As for the "demographic hole in the Russian Federation from the Tatar-Mongol yoke" - there is such a concept, TFR, the average fertility rate, the number of children per woman. So, in the USSR, it was usually higher, which ensured a steady growth in the population, it was mainly higher than the reproduction level of 2,2. In the Russian Federation, the TFR is consistently below the level of reproduction, and the TFR has absolutely NO ATTITUDE to the demographic pits. Roughly speaking, if 100 people live in one community and 4 children are born per woman, and in another - in the country, 100 million people live and 1,5 children are born per woman, then the TFR in a community of 1,5 people is much higher, and demographic statistics it is positive, but in a country where the TFR, like in the Russian Federation, is XNUMX children per woman, we can talk about the extinction of the nation. Well, the number of citizens of the Russian Federation is also steadily decreasing, and if we subtract from this number of residents of Crimea, all migrants from Ukraine and Central Asia - that is, look at the "net increase" of the population, then the picture will turn out to be generally sad - the population decline is simply catastrophic ...
          6. nobody75
            nobody75 1 November 2020 18: 48
            -5
            Automation - for example, the introduction of CNC. This, since you do not know what a CNC is and have slept for the last 30 years - an automatic machine operating according to a given program.

            I slept for the last 50 years, which is what I wish for you! Don't miss out on anything interesting! Is CNC, excuse me, Pure Management Ponty? And the inventor, if my dreams do not change, was a certain Forester ... He then invented the Forester crisis, which we are now observing, and the Mir model ... And these same automata, well, which operate according to a given program (by the way, they do not tell me, what programming languages ​​for CNC machine tools (CAM) were developed in the USSR? Chur, Compass-3D not to name!), by themselves, they do not increase labor productivity, since the "bottleneck" is "indirect pieceworkers" - workers who workpieces are fed and machined parts are taken away. When scooping up on flexible automated systems, they hoped that they would replace handymen. Now - on robots German - Japanese ...
            As for the "demographic hole in the Russian Federation from the Tatar-Mongol yoke" - there is such a concept, TFR, the average birth rate

            TFR is a TOTAL fertility rate, what and for what period did you go there to average ?!
            Well, the number of citizens of the Russian Federation is also steadily decreasing, and if we subtract from this number of residents of Crimea, all migrants from Ukraine and Central Asia - that is, look at the "net increase" of the population,

            My dear man! What is net population growth? Formal growth based on net growth? Let it be known to you, net height for women of childbearing age counts! And how are you going to calculate growth by the number of population ?! Here dynamics are needed over the years!
            Sorry, but exact sciences are not for trolls!
            Excuse me, but you also slept through the course in demographic statistics at the university? I already understood about the economy - since they did not hear about Malthus
            Sincerely
          7. Alt 22
            Alt 22 2 November 2020 09: 34
            0
            Probably, the TFR was somehow not considered so in the USSR? ) After all, under the Union, it was higher than under the Russian Federation, and the TFR and the rate of population growth - from which you, zaputinians, and sausage, from this and from the inability to recognize the fact that your government ... has done in its pants in this matter having achieved the extinction of Russia - despite the increase in labor productivity, which would make it possible to manage with fewer workers - together a dozen turners require one qualified CNC operator and one adjuster, figuratively speaking, and it does not matter whether these CNC programs use Russian programs or Western ones, the fact itself is important growth of labor productivity in many areas, which I am trying to explain to you and that for some reason you do not want to admit.
            Well, to give you tsiferki about TFR and population growth in the USSR, and about a decrease in IBS and population extinction in the Russian Federation?
          8. nobody75
            nobody75 2 November 2020 11: 08
            -2
            Probably, the TFR was somehow not considered so in the USSR?

            A link to the USSR statistics collection is possible? Although .... you generally understand the difference between the growth rate and gain? Let me tell you ... In order to calculate the growth, you need data for at least TWO periods. And in order to calculate the gain - FOR FOUR! Now let me quote you:
            and if we take away from this number of inhabitants of Crimea, all migrants from Ukraine and Central Asia - that is, look at the "net increase" of the population, then the picture will turn out to be generally sad - the population decline is simply catastrophic ...

            Taking the population size for ONE period, you will neither increase nor increase, especially a certain "Aryan pure", without chocks and Crimeans, you will not count !!!
            About the net population growth ... To calculate it, it is necessary to subtract men of all ages and, sorry, old women from the population in two periods. And you want to calculate a certain "net increase" by taking Russian women with low social responsibility from Tajik gastrobeiters. Would you like to calculate the population growth adjusted for the migration rate? But this is done differently ... and why?
            it doesn't matter if the Russian programs use these CNCs or Western

            Forgive me, what do you have to do with metalworking?
            Let it be known to you that any modern metalworking complex - if it is not a Taiwanese lathe "modernized" for CNC - has a GPS sensor. And if it is used in the wrong country or not as specified in the contract, it simply does not turn on!
            I repeat once again - exact sciences are not for trolls!
            Sincerely
          9. Alt 22
            Alt 22 2 November 2020 17: 13
            +1
            "Link to the statistics collection of the USSR" - read: https://www.infran.ru/vovenko/60years_ww2/demogr5.htm

            Do not engage in demagoguery - firstly, the TFR in the USSR for ANY 30 years since the Second World War, on average, was more than the TFR for all 30 years of the existence of the Russian Federation.
            Well, the increase in the number of Russians - in the same way, for ANY 30-year period since the Second World War was higher than the increase in Russians in the Russian Federation (if you do not take into account the migration of Russians from Ukraine to Russia in the nineties).

            "And if it is used in the wrong country" - you probably have not heard about GPS spoofing? )

            "has a GPS sensor." - yes, at least a hundred sensors, it was about increasing labor productivity. Will you deny that labor productivity has grown due to the most varied achievements of science and technology, from the latest machine tools to small-scale mechanization of labor?
          10. nobody75
            nobody75 2 November 2020 17: 27
            -1
            You are engaged in demagoguery! The link you gave is not a very scientific article, without verifiable statistical data. The list of references contains only one statistic collection for 1936! And for your calculations "purely - a concrete increase" they need at least 4 (FOUR)!
            Can you give your calculations personally?
            you probably haven’t heard about GPS spoofing?

            Have you personally written programs for spoofing? And often it worked?
            Admit that economics, programming and statistics are not your strong point
            Sincerely
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 07
    +3
    If we take the 1985 pension of 90 rubles, then we will receive 28800 rubles for recalculation for the current money - in fact, the pension has become half as much now, it is about 14000 in the country.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 28
    -6
    Excuse me, did you do this recalculation through the price index or through the GDP deflator? And why did you choose 1985 as the base period? Or are you writing from the USA?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 04
    +1
    Is RF ahead of the rest in cancer treatment? Imagine, two years ago in Moscow, they began to produce a vaccine to prevent the appearance of cancerous neoplasms - but no one said anything about it, either on the Internet or in the media.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 November 2020 13: 26
    +6
    Quote: Alt22
    any anti-Soviet is a Russophobe.

    AND A TRAITOR!
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 1 November 2020 19: 56
      -3
      Yes, I'm a jester, I'm a circus performer, so what?
      Let the nobles call me that!

      Sincerely
    2. Misha Smirnov_2
      Misha Smirnov_2 4 November 2020 14: 35
      0
      And where did the USSR authorities steal cars, juicers and 2 floors in Soviet dachas? - Into my pocket!
  • Misha Smirnov_2
    Misha Smirnov_2 4 November 2020 14: 34
    -1
    Everything was transported to the West .... Therefore, there was no anesthesia .... And what the hell are you going to do with them in the Union ... Who would ask you .. You are nobody and call you in any way in the Union. There is no piece of paper - you are a little bug, but a person with a piece of paper.
    The Union authorities robbed everyone.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 1 November 2020 11: 08
    +3
    Right now, a seventeen-year-old boy is suffering from intestinal cancer, and he has already written about it. The program "Moscow - the capital of health", managed to get to Professor Smirnov. Operation on this program, if you are lucky to get there, is free, yes. But, then about 150 thousand rubles were spent on drugs and the rest of the therapy, of course, credit money, for a simple hard worker, "middle" class, only saw such money in a dream.
    And the salary, thanks to isolation, fell by half. The loan is no longer paid, because there is nothing, of course, you can file for bankruptcy, but the catch, the new law on simplified bankruptcy, does not shine to anyone, there you should have no income at all, eat foliage. So don’t talk about oncology.
  • Firelake
    Firelake 6 November 2020 08: 52
    0
    The USSR has raised a huge galaxy of outstanding surgeons. They had their own methods of conducting surgical treatment. So there is no need here la-la for medicine and even more onco
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 07: 53
    30
    Quote: carstorm 11
    where is she abandoned? you here are a little wishful thinking. because in fact they are not given anything. I recently came across a huge construction site about which 99 percent are sure and have not heard in Khabarovsk and in the country ...

    Where is higher education available? How many budget seats? For the quality of education, I will keep silent. How many free sports sections are left? Extracurricular education where? Mugs, I mean, I only had 20 of them at school. Far Eastern educational and sports training center (DUSTSP) How much will it cost? Who will own it?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 08: 19
      -27 qualifying.
      there everything is written about belonging. read carefully. you can also find out about the institute and everything else, everything is also in the public domain. during and after the Soviet Union it was a place called a freebie. there a person without a brain could get a tower. at the same time, apart from the ancient ice and flawed stadium, there was nothing really there. I trained then and I know what I'm talking about. is free? Yes. but conditionally, since everything we played in was bought by ourselves. over the years of training in the sports school, we bought everything ourselves. parents handed over to the form for numbers, even what would be printed. everything that was sometimes given out was good only to get crippled faster. and that was issued in my opinion a couple of times. and what is free about that? all my childhood is the eternal fundraising for school for all sorts of garbage in the sections for everything. I did not go to circles. I can't say about them. By the way, there are budget places for all faculties. depends on your balls. well it is. for information.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 09: 11
        25
        Quote: carstorm 11
        there a person without a brain could get a tower.

        What is this "wise" statement based on? Do you think that Russian higher education is better than Soviet?
        Quote: carstorm 11
        except for the ancient ice and flawed stadium, there was nothing really there. I trained then and I know what I'm talking about. is free? Yes. but conditionally, since everything we played in was bought by ourselves.

        I did judo, we bought kimonos ourselves, but it was cheap and affordable. The quality of the mats, exercise equipment, carpet tires was on par.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        it was good only to get crippled faster

        Can you imagine what would happen if under the USSR a child was "crippled" in training because of the equipment? This is a serious trial and criminal penalty. So do not write nonsense.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        all my childhood is eternal collecting money for school for all sorts of garbage

        20 kopecks each. for a gift to a classmate? Do not make me laugh.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I did not go to circles. I can't say about them.

        I stuttered as a child and I had to read poetry, so I traveled half the edge with a circle, stuttering passed by the age of 15. Everything was available, take the child to a speech therapist this hour, not a cheap pleasure.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        By the way, there are budget places for all faculties. depends on your balls. well it is. for information.

        All the places used to be "budget", and not 10%, as it is now.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 20
          -20 qualifying.
          because then the athletes were dragged) dragged very hard so that they would get crusts) hence the conclusions) I have several good friends who finished it at different times. this is literally their expression) as for 20 kopecks, then excuse me) first of all, you have no classmates anyway) and so they collected a pancake of food for everything from paint) from the part of the father there they always asked from skis to make repairs new Year gifts. flowers for various holidays. tea drinking. exhibitions of cinema trips. and a lot more))) I even remember these movie books with tickets so blue for the holidays, which they also collected)))
        2. your1970
          your1970 6 November 2020 12: 38
          0
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          What is this "wise" statement based on? Do you think that Russian higher education is better than Soviet?
          - actually documented confirmed that they are the same ...
          Now, at least, thank God, at least the water is not contaminated by Kashpirovsky ... The whole country (without exception !!) - which had the type of "best education" - applied sore spots to the TV
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 27
      33
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Where is higher education available?

      Comrade, in tsarist Russia! wassat
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 09: 30
        18
        Quote: Stroporez
        Comrade, in tsarist Russia!

        Good morning Kamrad. We're almost there, unfortunately.
    3. krops777
      krops777 31 October 2020 18: 18
      +1
      Where is higher education available? How many budget seats? For the quality of education, I will keep silent. How many free sports sections are left? Extracurricular education where? Mugs, I mean, I only had 20 of them at school. Far Eastern educational and sports training center (DUSTSP) How much will it cost? Who will own it?



      I lived under the USSR and in the 90s and now, thank God, I did not find the tsar and not in Moscow, but in the most ordinary village of Siberia, on my own skin, I experienced the delights of all systems, and came to the same idea that the excesses of the systems were always and I did not need it here to fill in that under the USSR there was paradise, for an ordinary person there was never paradise. There were elite institutions under the USSR, and they were below average, like institutes of communication lines (I know what I am talking about), so it was they who let out defective managers. About everything else, apparently from the regina, he will whistle, the son, for example, goes to two circles at the school and in the youth sports school for the section and everything is free.
    4. nobody75
      nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 49
      -6
      Where is higher education available?

      Was it available with the scoop? Going to college with a scoop was cool. By the 80th year of the last century, this imaginary availability was gone. As proof, I will cite the reform of the open source software. Until the 80s, to enter the technical school, it was necessary to finish 10 classes. But not all families could feed the young men, and it was decided to recruit eight-graders to technical schools ... And in a Soviet university, it was necessary to study for 5 years ...
      Sincerely
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 22: 27
        +5
        Quote: nobody75
        Was it available with the scoop?

        Imagine yes.
        Quote: nobody75
        Going to college with a scoop was cool. By the 80th year of the last century, this imaginary availability was gone.

        I entered the university in the 90th year, right after the army, and even hardly prepared. At the process control system.
        Quote: nobody75
        Until the 80s, to enter the technical school, it was necessary to finish 10 classes

        My father entered the technical school after the 8th grade, after children. at home, somewhere in the 60th year.
        Quote: nobody75
        And in a Soviet university, I had to study for 5 years ...

        It was possible to study at the evening department or at the correspondence department, if someone worked, of course.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 31 October 2020 22: 42
          -8
          Forgive me, what do you mean by "availability"? The mass withdrawal of vocational school students to technical schools began in the 80s. Before that, the SSVO Ministry had not been raped ... Excuse me, but the 90th is a scoop?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 22: 56
            +5
            Quote: nobody75
            The mass withdrawal of vocational school students to technical schools began in the 80s.

            How old are you? What are you writing about? What is the withdrawal of vocational school students to technical schools? They began to call vocational schools "college" in the late 90s. The education was secondary technical (technical school) and secondary special (vocational school), secondary technical was removed already, in my opinion, in the two thousandth.
            Quote: nobody75
            Before that, the SSVO Ministry was not raped ...

            Technical schools did not belong to the SSPO, for example, AMST, where I studied, belonged to the Ministry of Instrument Engineering. Those. technical schools belonged to line ministries.
            Quote: nobody75
            Excuse me, is the 90th a scoop?

            The scoop, young man, is what the garbage is usually swept up on.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 31 October 2020 23: 04
              -7
              They began to call vocational schools "college" in the late 90s.
              The vocational school was removed from the law on education.
              And they did it right.
              Technical schools did not belong to the SSPO, for example, AMST, where I studied, belonged to the Ministry of Instrument Engineering.
              I see you are a great specialist in education ... What was the ministry doing then?
              And after school you could not enter the "accessible" soviet university. Technical school - army - Institute. What and was required to prove.
              With respect.
              PS
              And I will be older than yours.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 23: 16
                +8
                Quote: nobody75
                And I will be older than yours.

                This is about people like you say, "I lived to old age, but I have not made my mind"?
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 31 October 2020 23: 20
                -11 qualifying.
                Except for the insults - are there no other arrangements? "Affordable" education and rushing ... However, rudeness and stupidity of people like you - a hallmark of the late scoop.
              3. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 23: 28
                10
                Quote: nobody75
                Except for obscenities - are there no other arrangements?

                The first insult was yours.
                Quote: nobody75
                I see you are a great specialist in education ... What was the ministry doing then?
                And after school you could not enter the "accessible" soviet university. Technical school - army - Institute. What and was required to prove.

                However, feeding the trolls is a thankless task.
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 31 October 2020 23: 23
              -13 qualifying.
              You are a typical representative of the "Redneck Sovkovy". You need to be listed in the Red Book - an endangered species, Thank God ...
    5. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2020 12: 42
      0
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Imagine yes.
      -I can see how you from the collective farm at MGIMO enter either Baumanka or "Pleshka", or the Volskoye rear lol lol ..... yeah ..... affordable ...
  • at84432384
    at84432384 1 November 2020 00: 19
    +1
    I agree. I even studied 6. Now I don't need to study, I just bought a diploma. Here is just one snag - you can't buy knowledge ...
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 37
      -2
      Excuse me, have you tried? We now have a "knowledge economy". I've bought it inexpensively and I'm not complaining.
      Sincerely
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 11
    37
    Quote: carstorm 11
    where is she abandoned? you here are a little wishful thinking. because in fact they are not given anything. I recently came across a huge construction site about which 99 percent are sure and have not heard in Khabarovsk and in the country.

    You "bump" more carefully there, take care of yourself and continue to burn! laughing
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 09: 27
      +8
      hi
      Quote: Stroporez
      You "bump" more carefully there, take care of yourself and continue to burn!

      Well, yes, it's boring without such characters.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 31 October 2020 09: 28
      -11 qualifying.
      maybe if you do not know how to communicate normally and just go somewhere to answer a usual fact with a fact? I am not against a dispute but constructive and not boorish with infantile jokes from which only you laugh. just walk by, well, pass by! there are enough adequate people with whom you can communicate normally. but I want a comment from the child, then I have three of them. there is someone to turn to.
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 31 October 2020 12: 54
    +7
    Now, if this money were invested in improving production capacities, building new industrial enterprises with the creation of thousands of new jobs, and building sports complexes on the profit from the work of these enterprises, then only the region and the state would benefit. And this is a waste of budgetary funds, the profit from which will go to the next oligarch ...
  • Marik_74
    Marik_74 2 November 2020 14: 55
    +1
    In the late 80s, a new sports complex with a 50-meter swimming pool, an athletics arena, several diverse gyms, etc. was built for the Bauman Moscow State Technical University. etc. And this is only for ONE university. And, as you write, at public expense, without fanfare and noise.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 31 October 2020 06: 41
    46
    “Pie - 5 kopecks, lemonade - 10 kopecks, ice cream - 15 kopecks

    And

    First of all, we are talking about free medicine, education and housing.

    And this is not enough? Today all this would really not hurt people, I think ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 31 October 2020 06: 54
      30
      In Russia "stability" applies only to salaries of ordinary citizens, but not prices.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 31 October 2020 07: 18
      +7
      Quote: Crowe
      “Pie - 5 kopecks, lemonade - 10 kopecks, ice cream - 15 kopecks


      Memories of the Union is somewhat more than nostalgia for a well-fed belly.

      But in fairness, ice cream "Plombir" in a waffle cup cost 20 kopecks, and "Creamy" -15 ...
      This is in the prices of "Brezhnev stagnation", for the products of the Yenakievsky cold storage plant, which operated throughout the Donetsk region.
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 31 October 2020 08: 03
        +8
        Quote: Insurgent
        But in fairness, ice cream "Plombir" in a waffle cup cost 20 kopecks, and "Creamy" -15 ...

        This ice cream rose in price in the mid-80s. In the early 80s it cost 19 kopecks.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 31 October 2020 08: 10
          +9
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          This ice cream rose in price in the mid-80s. In the early 80s it cost 19 kopecks.


          I will not argue, I published the price that I remember,I emphasize - in the Ukrainian SSR.
          Prices for the regions of the Union, not significantly, but could differ.

          But at the same time, I would like to note the "price increase" of 1 kopeck per decade wassat
          1. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 31 October 2020 08: 23
            +4
            There was also such a thing - price zones. The further the distance from the regional center, the more expensive.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 31 October 2020 08: 34
              +8
              Quote: Ua3qhp
              There was also such a thing - price zones. The further the distance from the regional center, the more expensive.

              There was such a gradation of prices yes , but it was counted by "belts" not by the distance from the regional center, but by a premium for transporting goods / products from the place of production to the place of sale ...
          2. tacet
            tacet 31 October 2020 09: 05
            +8
            In the USSR, there were three price zones (this is indicated on Soviet labels, for example, canned food.) The max-min difference is about 10%
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 31 October 2020 09: 47
      -2
      Quote: Crowe
      Today all this would really not hurt people, I think ...

      Stability? I cannot say that I remember the price increase in 1962 for basic foodstuffs, but I heard and read something.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Повышение_цен_(1962)
      This, in particular, served as one of the reasons for the workers' uprising in Novocherkassk, which was suppressed by troops - Nicholas II the Bloody with his "Bloody Sunday" looks like a democrat and a humanist in comparison.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Новочеркасский_расстрел
      But I remember the rise in prices in 1977, mostly for black humor. Raised, essno "at the numerous requests of workers", prices for a number of goods and services, in particular, taxi rides - by half, coffee, herring, gasoline - by half, and I don't remember a lot of other things. And from black humor, I recall the following:
      "If you buy Iwashi and take a taxi, suck horseradish until payday."
      Or anecdote: A Soviet pioneer was instructed to answer a letter from a Cuban pioneer on the line of international friendship. The Soviet reads: "I am black, my mother is black, and my father is also black. It's always very hot here. We drink black coffee and go naked." Answers: "I am white, my mom is white, and dad is also white. We also get hot, but more often it is cold. My dad said that if we drink black coffee, we will also go naked.
      1. Alexander Manakov
        Alexander Manakov 31 October 2020 10: 34
        +3
        https://youtu.be/IIvdFXXL4Mg это про Новочеркасск 1962
        https://youtu.be/vB2xtsIWCQM а это про Николая номер 2 и его "достижения"
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 31 October 2020 16: 20
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Manakov
          https://youtu.be/IIvdFXXL4Mg это про Новочеркасск 1962
          https://youtu.be/vB2xtsIWCQM а это про Николая номер 2 и его "достижения"

          Tip: when inserting a video from YouTube, use the second from the right icon "Insert media content from other services". Then your links will look like this:

          ZY Spitsyn is strength.
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    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 09: 52
      -26 qualifying.
      Quote: Crowe
      “Pie - 5 kopecks, lemonade - 10 kopecks, ice cream - 15 kopecks

      And

      First of all, we are talking about free medicine, education and housing.

      And this is not enough? Today all this would really not hurt people, I think ...

      Do you want a salary of 150 rubles a month?
      And half-empty grocery store counters? Meat at the state price in spite of the fight. Crowds of shoppers waiting for a cart of cooked sausages to be rolled out into the hall?
      And rows of Bolshevik suits of the same cut and color in department stores? At a price of 60-80 rubles.
      And color TVs for 600-700 rubles, which did not want to give normal color in any way, and required regular repairs?
      A Moskvich car at a price of 4 thousand rubles, which you have to work on for a couple of years, without spending a penny on food, clothes, and on the same penny utility rates?
      The films "Beware of the Car" or "The Blonde Around the Corner" were filmed in those glorified times.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 31 October 2020 19: 01
        +2
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Do you want a salary of 150 rubles a month?

        150 it wasn't that bad. My first salary after graduation was 115 for the position of "design engineer".
        Although, again, what parameters to look at. Travel by tram 3 kopecks, trolleybus 4 kopecks, bus and metro 5 kopecks. Bread 14 kopecks For comparison: at current prices, a trip by public transport in New York is $ 2.75, bread is about $ 5 per loaf (I don’t know for sure, we have not been buying for 10 years, we have been baking our own).
        But:
        The programmer's annual salary (after taxes) buys a middle-class car, or even two, if the model is simpler. Levi's jeans $ 40, i.e. not a question at all. For 5 years of salary, you can buy a house with 3 or more bedrooms in a good white place.
        Compare: jeans only on the black market for 100 rubles, Volga GAZ-24 at the state price 15000, VAZ 2106 almost 10000, even ZAZ 968 about 5000, but try to buy at the state price, and 2 prices from hands. You can't buy an apartment at all, even a coop, only through a queue for many years. And the salary is 115 rubles a month, and even if it is 150, you don't even have to dream about all this, well, perhaps about jeans.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 20: 12
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Nagan
          Although, again, what parameters to look at. Travel by tram 3 kopecks, trolleybus 4 kopecks, bus and metro 5 kopecks. Bread 14 kopecks For comparison: at current prices, a trip by public transport in New York is $ 2.75, bread is about $ 5 per loaf (I don’t know for sure, we have not been buying for 10 years, we have been baking our own).

          If you look at the current state of affairs, then in general and in general the situation is similar, with bias in one direction or another.
          The main condition is a demanded profession and a good salary, the rest is details that can be interpreted in different ways ...
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 40
      -1
      But you will pay the same salary to those people who generate these capacities for you - they will definitely not like it.
    6. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 31 October 2020 14: 41
      +3
      ........ about free medicine, education ... it really would not hurt people .......

      Thanks to this, under Soviet power, the life expectancy of the population began to increase! In 1898, according to the All-Russian Population Census. the average life expectancy was about 30 years! And under Stalin, it began to increase despite the Great Patriotic War.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 18: 33
        -6
        Quote: Reptiloid
        And under Stalin, it began to increase despite the Great Patriotic War.

        Any nonsense has its limit.
        But when 10% of the male population of a country of fertile age perishes at the age of 18 and above in battles, and 15% of civilians of all ages - at the hands of the occupiers, hunger and bombing ...
        This is a clinic ...
        fool
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 09
        -1
        It began to grow - due to which republics?
    7. nobody75
      nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 53
      -5
      This is for Gref - he joined the WTO. If you reduce tariffs for organizations, then you can add a part of the population's tariff to them, as with a scoop. But then our exporters around the world will begin to impose duties. They will say that we subsidize our own industry through electricity tariffs. And through tariffs for the population - we reduce wages.
      Sincerely
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 10
        -1
        The WTO means the whole world will not be able to join it.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 1 November 2020 17: 37
          0
          It's falling apart successfully now
          Sincerely
  • Private89
    Private89 31 October 2020 08: 40
    +9
    It clearly explains what the Stalinist USSR was like and how the elite degenerated after it and, accordingly, how it deliberately perverted the economic model and embarked on the path of restoration of capitalism.

    Key elements of the Soviet economic model

    Little-known reasons for the defeat of Soviet civilization
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 44
      -4
      The very planned economy and state planning for 5 years, as well as the arms race and the support of 120 rogue countries at the expense of the union, starting from the 60s, created a growing deficit from year to year - and there is nothing to invent.
      1. at84432384
        at84432384 1 November 2020 00: 41
        +1
        In fact, the depth of planning in the USSR was 20 years. And the plan was constantly being adjusted. And how, without a plan, it is possible to build not even a plant, an inferior shed? A very strange attitude towards planning. And modern developed states and TNCs are also obliged to do it. But in the modern Russian Federation, the planning depth is 0.5 years. The results are evident.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 18
          0
          You are a planned economy built on top and market based business planning based on real demand, do not confuse these two things. But in the modern Russian Federation, the planning depth is 0.5 years. The results are evident. Indeed, it is obvious - there is almost no deficit in anything other than money - but you can earn it. We produce as much as they buy from us and what they buy - and not everything in a row, even if they don't buy it, as they did in the USSR according to plan.
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 54
      -2
      Aren't you tired of posting this nonsense?
      Google about the pygo equation and monetary aggregates.
      Sincerely
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 31 October 2020 10: 13
    0
    Quote: lexus
    Left to the mercy of fate, young people dream of either leaving Russia ... or returning the USSR. The limited choice provided by the "gang state" is no longer interesting for them.

    it is really a pity that the young and energetic for the most part do not seem to consider the option to change reality for the better.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 31 October 2020 16: 40
    +2
    Perhaps some of your youth are striving abroad or in the USSR. But I myself work with young people (between the ages of 18 and 23) and at best they want to leave 5-6 percent, and no one will return to the USSR. Do you know why they don't dream of dumping? Because almost all of them have been abroad and realized one thing: no one is waiting for them there and no one needs them there for nothing. And it is more difficult for a Russian emigrant to get a respected and highly paid job there than here. So if you are thinking. that over the hill they are waiting for you with a red carpet and an orchestra and immediately provided with a villa, Mercedes, a place of bank director with a salary of one hundred thousand dollars, then you are somewhat mistaken. If you have education, intelligence, talent and efficiency, then here you will advance much faster than there. And the whimper, the all-consuming, mediocre or parasite, whatever that will sit here without pants. The last thing is what I like about today's youth, more and more people who do not care about the "choice offered by the state" from the high bell tower. They do not rely on the benefits of a beloved government or an adored leader, but make their way themselves. Here is the future for them, and not for those who are waiting for the return of the blissful USSR or kind foreign benefactors.
  • Scipio
    Scipio 31 October 2020 22: 33
    +2
    Young people are not abandoned by anyone, young people now do not want to take responsibility for their own lives, but at the same time they do not understand that if someone decides for them, it will be worse for them. Now there are a lot of opportunities to become better and more professional in almost any field. But most want a lot, with minimal effort. On the other hand, this situation gives great prospects for those who are really ready to try and do what they undertake with high quality, the higher, the fewer competitors. For a salary of 30, the competition is tower, for a salary of 300 you will get tired of looking for the right specialist
  • Stas157
    Stas157 31 October 2020 06: 32
    25
    What was it, who let the abnormal in here? Why are they allowed to publish this crap? After reading this libel, the feeling is as if spat in the soul.

    The author decided to reveal the "secret" (pour slop) about how "badly" lived in the USSR against the background of the current prosperity. As if there were no people left on the site who lived in the USSR!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 31 October 2020 06: 38
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Stas157
      What was it, who let the abnormal in here? Why are they allowed to publish this crap? After reading this libel, the feeling is as if spat in the soul.

      The author decided to reveal the "secret" (pour slop) about how "badly" lived in the USSR against the background of the current prosperity. As if there were no people left on the site who lived in the USSR!

      Remained. What did the author say wrong? What were the disadvantages along with the advantages? ))
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 October 2020 07: 01
        20
        Quote: Krasnodar
        What did the author say wrong?

        Literally everything. Starting from the fact that, they say, everyone lived in communal apartments for 20-30 people. And with one toilet!

        I didn't have a single classmate who lived in a communal apartment. Our family of 4 people lived quite comfortably in a three-room apartment, which the state gave is free... Then the parents exchanged for a four-room apartment with a surcharge. And all this in those days without any mortgages for 20 years.
        1. Sahalinets
          Sahalinets 31 October 2020 08: 45
          -10 qualifying.
          Do you want to tell how many years people have been queuing up for this "free" housing? Nc, of course, we are now learning that mom and dad were immediately given a separate apartment as soon as they got married, and then a bigger one. laughing
          I also lived in the USSR and knew a bunch of people who lived in barracks with amenities in the yard. And not lumpen.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 09: 24
            15
            Quote: Sahalinets
            Do you want to tell how many years people have been queuing up for this "free" housing?

            My parents received a departmental kopeck piece two weeks after the wedding, in the city of Navoi, Bukhara region, in Moscow, apparently, it was different. People were encouraged to move to where the production was built.
            Quote: Sahalinets
            I also lived in the USSR and knew a bunch of people who lived in barracks with amenities in the yard.

            My grandfather received in Armavir a three-room apartment in a brick barrack for two owners with amenities in the yard, from the UBR as a geologist. In the 50s, this was normal.
            1. Sahalinets
              Sahalinets 31 October 2020 09: 33
              -4
              Well, by itself, for ten to fifteen years, some other people stood in queues for separate housing, and in general this is Western propaganda! laughing
              My classmate lived with his mother in a barrack until he was 16. Mom worked as an accountant in the KGB. Not the most lame organization in the USSR, is it? And there it is ...
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 09: 36
                10
                Quote: Sahalinets
                Well, by itself, for ten to fifteen years some other people stood in queues for separate housing,

                Above, I wrote, a lot depended on the factory, factories built housing for their workers.
              2. Aag
                Aag 31 October 2020 19: 14
                +6
                "... for ten to fifteen years in the queues for separate housing were ..."
                And where can you queue up for free housing now?
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 57
              -3
              In Navoi ... Is this where the uranium was mined?
              Sincerely
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 22: 32
                +2
                Quote: nobody75
                In Navoi ... Is this where the uranium was mined?

                Uranus, much further. The chemical plant was there, and it probably still is.
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 31 October 2020 11: 58
            +9
            Do you want to tell how many years people have been queuing up for this "free" housing?

            My grandfather received a three-ruble note from his native plant as soon as I was born. Parents also worked at the Kir.zavod. Mother-in-law - bought a cooperative kopeck piece on credit at a meager percentage. Uncle - he enlisted in the North and after 4 years he also bought a cooperative. More examples? No - of course, not everyone was so lucky, well, excuse me, and how many houses in the Second World War were destroyed! And how many people have lived in barracks since tsarist times? I am sure that if it had not been for the collapse of the USSR, everyone would have lived in their own apartments at a standstill ...
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 49
            +2
            Such barracks still remain even in the Moscow region - built in 1927, and in the Irkutsk region a whole village is made of barrels and tin - it was created for an all-Union construction as a temporary hut in the 67th, but the temporary hut has become a permanent one is still waiting for resettlement
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 31 October 2020 08: 50
          -2
          The wife's family in the 80s lived in a communal apartment.
          It was like this for you, for many it was different)).
          1. Sahalinets
            Sahalinets 31 October 2020 09: 06
            -12 qualifying.
            It is useless to argue with these people. Write to them about the hunger belt around Moscow, about the Urals, which used to be on coupons back in the 70s - they will say that there was no such thing and that's it!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 31 October 2020 09: 12
              +1
              Press conference in Berlin in the spring of 1945
              Questions to Zhukov. At the very end, the Times reporter asks:
              - Mister Marshal, and still with whom was it better - under the tsar or the communists?
              - Under a monarchy, of course!
              Everyone scatters to telegraph to their agencies - a sensation, the red general believes that life has deteriorated after the revolution, the American asks:
              - And why?
              - Under the king, my potency was better hi
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 10: 03
              -11 qualifying.
              They all remember. But if a manual has been issued to find fault with everything present, it is necessary to work it out.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 31 October 2020 09: 07
            12
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The wife's family in the 80s lived in a communal apartment.

            And what is right about the author:

            communal apartments with one toilet for 20-30 people


            Sorry - I do not believe.

            I would believe if she was now a homeless woman, since they really are in every city. But there was no trace of such a fierce horror, which the author describes. Maybe the author writes about dorms, after all, and not about apartments? Well, the hostels are now "such hostels". No need to exaggerate and confuse them with apartments.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 31 October 2020 09: 12
              -6
              Man for 15 for sure))
              No, she's not a bum laughing
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 31 October 2020 09: 20
                +6
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Man for 15 for sure))

                Is she from the camp or what?)) There could have been more!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 31 October 2020 09: 41
                  -5
                  No - a standard Soviet family. You won't be hysterical - there were a lot of them. There were huge queues for state Apartments for 10-15 years at least (in big cities), buying a cooperative cost 15 - in a fig panel nine-story building of a small three-ruble square meter. How realistic was it to save with an average salary of 000 per family, of which 300 rubles per month remained in the economy mode - consider. 100 years with something. The way out was to go North, if possible. To engage in "speculation" was subject to jurisdiction, so the amounts were unaffordable. After the collapse of the USSR, literally 10 years later, they began to build a house, having bought an apartment. hi
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 31 October 2020 10: 08
                    11
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Apartments had huge queues for 10-15 years at least

                    At a construction site for 2-3 years and you are with an apartment. People specifically went to "work" there.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Apartments had huge queues for 10-15 years at least

                    We had a kopeck piece in '76, and at '86 we got three rubles. Indeed, the difference is 10 years. But mind you, we (and others) at this time did not live on the street, but quite in an apartment, even if with less comfortable conditions.
                    By the way, just three years later, the parents exchanged three rubles for a new four-room apartment. True, with a surcharge. And it's not that the parents dreamed of a new apartment, they just didn't like the area, where the three-ruble note was!

                    That is, if you fuss a little and pay extra, it was not at all necessary to wait 10 years.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    buy cooperative cost 15

                    10-12 thousand as far as I remember?

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    How realistic was it to save with an average salary of 300 per family, of which 100 rubles remained per month in an economy mode - consider. 10-plus years. The way out was to go North

                    My father received 300-350 as an engineer in the military, my mother there - 250. And not at all in the North.

                    Well, listen, now that people can buy an apartment right away (if we exclude the predatory mortgage)? What's better now? And then they gave apartments for free. It's a miracle in our times!
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 30
                    -4
                    Once again - we are talking about the standard average Soviet young family in the RSFSR - both without a tower. both moved to a big city)).
                    Now people can do business and buy an apartment in a short time. Now people can work as IT-shniki and without leaving home accumulate a network for a decent apartment, fulfilling orders of all kinds of companies around the world. And yes - after getting an average job - you get into a mortgage, but you live in normal conditions. The mortgage can be paid for the same 10-15 years, living like human beings
                  3. Stas157
                    Stas157 31 October 2020 10: 40
                    12
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Now people can do business and buy an apartment in a short time.

                    Lies. Moreover, shameless. About which enclosure (not developed) we have a small business, even the government is talking about it. A young man who suddenly goes into business is more likely to lose his pants than to acquire an apartment. Otherwise, all teachers would have rushed into business at Medvedev's call! And mortgages would not be fucking necessary!
                  4. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 50
                    -11 qualifying.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Now people can do business and buy an apartment in a short time.

                    Lies. Moreover, shameless. About which enclosure (not developed) we have a small business, even the government is talking about it. A young man who suddenly goes into business is more likely to lose his pants than to acquire an apartment. Otherwise, all teachers would have rushed into business at Medvedev's call! And mortgages would not be fucking necessary!

                    What does it mean? Cheto is too emotional ... Are you from the Communist Party, dreaming of the laurels of the CCP, where oligarchic capitalism is built under the roof of Communist Party functionaries with the corresponding bonuses in the form of the Dolce Vita of Western millionaires? laughing So warn everyone that there will be no Soviet Union, there will be China with a third of pensioners who do not receive a penny ..))
                    About business? Well, how will it go lol It is inaccessible to everyone, but it is already legal to be engaged in the business itself, and it is even more accessible to obtain a profession in the IT sphere, about which you, for some reason, did not mention wink And there s / n others
                  5. Stas157
                    Stas157 31 October 2020 11: 21
                    10
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Well, how will it go

                    If the son is a relative of an official, then the related business is going very well. And the rest - not very much, judging by the open statistics.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    and it is even more accessible to obtain a profession in the IT field

                    About the IT sphere. My brother is a programmer. He worked in the tax office and received 25 thousand. Now he works as a system specialist in the well-known French woman! Leroy Merlin. Gets about 30. And why is he so unlucky in the IT sphere? Therefore, do not tell your fairy tales.
                  6. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 31 October 2020 11: 43
                    -4
                    1) People are different, not everyone works with state tenders, someone is a service station, tire fitters, etc. holds, right? laughing
                    2) I am wildly sorry, but my neighbor earns 5 thousand tanks a month - 400 thousand rubles, working for Koreans without leaving his home. A friend of mine pays his programmers in Rostov-on-Don, working for the Israelis, 1.2 thousand tanks a month - they are mostly students, and the main one -5.500 thousand tanks a month)).
                    And it is cheaper for employers than in the West to pay an equivalent specialist for the same job.
                    It all depends on the qualifications - about the tax office and the home goods store, I'm not surprised hi
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 10: 23
      -8
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Man for 15 for sure))

      In the famous St. Petersburg "old fund" and today you can find communal apartments in the area of ​​Liteiny and Nevsky.
      Not in the communal apartment itself.
      The question is covered correctly in the article. But today the trend on VO is different.
      hi
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 31 October 2020 09: 34
    0
    St. Petersburg was full of communal apartments back in the 80s, I myself lived in one of them.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 31 October 2020 09: 57
      -8
      I do not understand why they tell tales about the Soviet Paradise? laughing People remember everything
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 October 2020 10: 27
        +6
        Quote: Krasnodar
        I do not understand why they tell tales about the Soviet Paradise? People remember everything

        That is precisely why they tell.

        Because these are not fairy tales at all. And people have a good memory.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 53
          -4
          And why has this paradise boasted after the fall in oil prices and the rise in prices for wheat purchased in the West? ))
      2. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 31 October 2020 11: 03
        -5
        And this is such an auto-training. A long tradition. Earlier, the grass was greener ...
        I actually wrote on this topic. https://sahalinets777.livejournal.com/3400.html
        And crowds of USSR fans immediately tried to crucify me ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 31 October 2020 11: 07
          -6
          Longing for paternalism))
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 59
        -8
        Well, after all, people need to somehow embellish the Soviet reality - to listen to some, there were milk rivers and jelly banks everywhere, but in fact, all the problems in the USSR were constantly hidden by a curtain of dense information fog all the media. Now, from every iron we learn about everything in the country and abroad online, and the authorities can be openly abused and the economy can be discussed, and people from any corner of the country to the whole country can tell about their problems.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 31 October 2020 13: 13
          -4
          Besides, visits to any foreign country are open, emigration to any country is open and no one interferes with communication with residents of foreign countries, there is no such eternal lie and special distribution centers with special clinics for the party elite and other signs of “general equality”. ))
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 31 October 2020 13: 20
          26
          Quote: Vadim237
          Well, after all, people need to somehow embellish the Soviet reality - to listen to some of them, there were milk rivers and jelly banks everywhere.

          And then there is no need to embellish anything, as soon as people are fed up with ebno-Putinist shit, they immediately wanted to go back to the USSR.
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 31 October 2020 14: 36
          -4
          Have you tried to use the advantages of modern Russia? lol
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 28
          -3
          "As soon as people were fed up with ebno-Putinist shit, they immediately wanted to go back to the USSR." Such 10 percent of the strength and in their problems the power does not play a primary role, but they themselves their actions knowledge of desire, skill, aspiration and everything else - each creator of his own happiness for such guys will always have their whole life in shit and shit - since they themselves do not apply efforts to change their lives - they sit and just wait for someone to come and do everything for them in their life.
        5. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 November 2020 11: 45
          16
          Quote: Vadim237
          Such 10 percent of the strength and in their problems the power does not play a primary role, but they themselves their actions knowledge of desire, skill, aspiration and everything else - each creator of his own happiness for such guys will always have their whole life in shit and shit - since they themselves do not apply efforts to change their lives - they sit and just wait for someone to come and do everything for them in their life.

          Are you still not tired of posting this manual, like start with yourself? Although you can continue, you do not bother me, you amuse me lol
    2. Aag
      Aag 31 October 2020 19: 30
      +3
      "... Now we learn from every iron about everything in the country and abroad online ..."
      We will find out what they consider necessary to bring to our attention ...
      "... people from any corner of the country to the whole country can tell about their problems ..."
      Only these problems ... "The sheriff does not care." ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 32
      0
      In general, all the information comes through - every director is his own and you cannot filter out information on the Internet. Only these problems ... "the sheriff does not care." ... And the sheriff must solve all problems individually for everyone across the country and for this, local authorities should not work.
    4. Aag
      Aag 1 November 2020 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: Vadim237
      In general, all the information comes through - every director is his own and you cannot filter out information on the Internet. Only these problems ... "the sheriff does not care." ... And the sheriff must solve all problems individually for everyone across the country and for this, local authorities should not work.

      Not all information reaches us ... But it has always been so. Worse, the information field is not formed by our government.
      It was written allegorically about the sheriff, including about "local authorities". Manual control is a bad system. Yes, and not a system at all. Or rather it will be like this: if manual control becomes a system, then ... "something needs to be changed in the conservatory!"
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 15: 25
    +3
    We had a barrack on the street. Eight one, two bedroom apartments with a toilet in the yard. M and Zh. 28 people for the toilet. There were two toilets for the entire village of the glass factory. There are 6 two-storey houses per toilet. And the ovens themselves had to be heated. I plowed on the shift and went home to fire the stove.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 31 October 2020 09: 16
    13
    I didn't have a single classmate who lived in a communal apartment. Our family of 4 people lived completely comfortably in a three-room apartment, which the state gave for free.

    This is how lucky. And at what time period. It looks like you are writing about 70-80 years. When my father was transferred from Vozzhaevka (Far East) to Orenburg (then Chkalov) in 1954, I lived in a rented apartment for 3 years, then in a communal apartment for 3 years, the kitchen was shared with 10 owners, lived in 12 sq. m. five of us. Then (1960) - 2 rooms in a decent communal apartment, in the kitchen there are only 3 owners. And only in 1967, my father received a separate Czech kopeck piece. The housing problem was solved, and very effectively. In general, there is a characteristic feature of such articles - the less the author lived in the USSR, (if at all), the more excrement he smears on him.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2020 09: 29
      11
      Quote: Aviator_
      It looks like you are writing about the 70-80s.

      Well yes. I did not find others.

      I don’t know how it was before, but the truth is that life got better over time. It was beyond doubt. In contrast to today's realities.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 31 October 2020 10: 02
        +9
        As it was in the 50-70s, I wrote. The housing problem was steadily resolved. And then the spotted hump announced "by 1990 - each family has a separate apartment"! and everything stopped. And earlier it was solved without slogans.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 10: 33
        -7
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Aviator_
        It looks like you are writing about the 70-80s.

        Well yes. I did not find others.

        I don’t know how it was before, but the truth is that life got better over time. It was beyond doubt. In contrast to today's realities.

        Until the 85th year it got worse and everything was covered, due to the fall in oil prices and the rise in prices for grain bought in the West.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 October 2020 13: 03
          -4
          At that time, not only grain was bought from capitalist countries, but also machinery, equipment, materials, consumer goods, everything that the USSR needed but could not produce or produced in small volumes.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 October 2020 13: 18
            -5
            Quite right - most of the lines of the chemical industry and half of the food industry were purchased from the West. But 100 thousand tanks were riveted - maybe during a nuclear war 1000 will reach the English Channel and will threaten to aim weapons at radioactive Great Britain soldier
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 31 October 2020 16: 06
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            Then not only grain was bought from capitalist countries, but also machines, equipment, materials, consumer goods, everything in what The USSR needed but could not produce

            Come on sing, you and Putin, the USSR did nothing except galoshes!
            Only now it was not possible to find import in stores before. And now, on the contrary, one import. Moreover, it is far from an important quality.
            1. alex967
              alex967 31 October 2020 17: 32
              -5
              How not to find it? Bread made from Canadian and American flour, New Zealand butter. Cigarettes probably half, if not more, were imported. Wine and canned fruits and vegetables from Bulgaria and Hungary.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 43
              -4
              This is you do not shy away - Putin, speaking of galoshes, meant the civil sector - and in it really, for the most part, there was trash and buckets with bolts, since the military-industrial complex was put in the first place in terms of priorities, everything else was pushed into the background
              "Only here it was not possible to find import in stores before." Probably because everything imported in stores was instantly snapped up and who had money and connections took imports bypassing stores.
              And now, on the contrary - one import. In the products of 90% of Russian production, some of the imported brands are already produced on the territory of Russia and their own is beginning to appear - it costs nothing on the spot - and yes, at the now open market that it is profitable for store owners to sell, they will sell and manufacturers what and where it is profitable for them to supply they will supply there - and it is profitable for our producers to export due to the weakness of the ruble.
          3. Squelcher
            Squelcher 31 October 2020 17: 06
            0
            Recently I read the history of the creation of the legendary KamAZ plant. More than 700 foreign companies from 19 European countries (CMEA and Western Europe), the USA, Canada, and Japan took part in equipping KamAZ.
            1. Aag
              Aag 31 October 2020 19: 35
              +2
              Quote: Squelcher
              Recently I read the history of the creation of the legendary KamAZ plant. More than 700 foreign companies from 19 European countries (CMEA and Western Europe), the USA, Canada, and Japan took part in equipping KamAZ.

              But now foreigners are ready to sell only finished products, and even then, not always.
            2. Squelcher
              Squelcher 1 November 2020 01: 28
              -1
              Such categorical statements are usually made, to put it mildly, by limited people who do not really have information or knowledge, or those who want to basely and knowingly lie, for the sake of obtaining ideological benefits.
            3. Aag
              Aag 1 November 2020 09: 14
              +1
              Quote: Squelcher
              Such categorical statements are usually made, to put it mildly, by limited people who do not really have information or knowledge, or those who want to basely and knowingly lie, for the sake of obtaining ideological benefits.

              Conversation, as I understand it, becomes persistent. Latently accusing me of being limited, uninformed, and, alternatively, of meanness, lying, gaining benefit (isn't it too much?) You cut off any desire to communicate ... True, it suggests: a does not all of the above apply to you?
            4. Squelcher
              Squelcher 1 November 2020 10: 57
              +1
              Oh, "truthful" you are ours, probably companies like Alstom, Siemens, Starfire Engineering & Technologies, Nippon Sharyo Ltd, American Railcar Industries and Amsted Rail. They do not participate in production in Russia, like many others. Even Karl Marx defined in Capital why the USSR is doomed, but modern communists are too lazy to read Capital.
    2. Aag
      Aag 31 October 2020 19: 39
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      At that time, not only grain was bought from capitalist countries, but also machinery, equipment, materials, consumer goods, everything that the USSR needed but could not produce or produced in small volumes.

      Look back, now what are we producing? In what volumes? Or have they stopped selling raw materials?
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 1 November 2020 01: 44
        +1
        Oh, when the USSR did not sell raw materials?
        An interesting question, is this a style to ask and shift the work onto the shoulders of others? Find information read analyze, make a conclusion.
      2. Aag
        Aag 1 November 2020 09: 36
        +1
        Quote: Squelcher
        Oh, when the USSR did not sell raw materials?
        An interesting question, is this a style to ask and shift the work onto the shoulders of others? Find information read analyze, make a conclusion.

        But, apart from raw materials, they sold a lot, and quite successfully. The merchant and fishing fleet went around the world under its own, Soviet frag! Planes, our own, flew many places, including (small aircraft), to those villages of Velikaya and immense, which are now simply gone.
        Therefore, I recommend you to read and analyze. And again, just look around! Shopping malls in the former production workshops; warehouses reselling imports on the site of former factories and productions ... Not visible?
      3. Squelcher
        Squelcher 1 November 2020 11: 22
        -2
        The Soviet-built fleet was 30 percent under the USSR, yes its own aviation, but cost-effective? Or subsidies from the state?
        Naturally ineffective industries are dying, and the USSR has always technologically lagged behind the West by 10-15 years.
        I do not dispute there were glimpses in certain industries and military developments through excessive overstrain of forces and resources. The USSR tried to catch up and overtake its entire history, but for some reason the capitalists did not particularly strain?
      4. Aag
        Aag 1 November 2020 20: 41
        +3
        Quote: Squelcher
        The Soviet-built fleet was 30 percent under the USSR, yes its own aviation, but cost-effective? Or subsidies from the state?
        Naturally ineffective industries are dying, and the USSR has always technologically lagged behind the West by 10-15 years.
        I do not dispute there were glimpses in certain industries and military developments through excessive overstrain of forces and resources. The USSR tried to catch up and overtake its entire history, but for some reason the capitalists did not particularly strain?

        But they built aircraft-carrying cruisers. And they gave Poland money to build ships. And we remember the Ikarus and Tatras ...
        Domestic civil air transportation (especially small aviation) and in developed countries is still subsidized (at least lobbied).
        "Glimpses", as you have deigned to put it, were just in the iconic regions (nuclear energy, rocketry) - what now allows Russia to stay afloat. And note: I write "Russia" with a capital letter, but not like you - "ussr" ...
        Yes, in many respects the USSR was trying to catch up with the West ... So the West was forced to keep up (8-hour working day, pensions, another social system ...) Now what? Caught up in technology? According to not standardized, for the majority, not on paper, working day. Often without vacations. With an illusory pension? Even those who have earned it long ago, have served? ...
        Under the Union, I didn’t stress, BUT, it was easier! Because there was no hope, but “confidence in the future,” and the understanding that my work was for the good of the Motherland (albeit indirectly), and not for whims of bureaucrats and nouveau riche.
        Sorry for the pathos, but, I think, a good part of the members of the forum, based on the same considerations, fondly remember the USSR. hi
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 48
      -2
      For you, during the entire existence of the USSR, he sold only 7 civilian aircraft for money, the rest went through barter, often unequal, or were simply donated for loyalty.
    4. Aag
      Aag 1 November 2020 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      For you, during the entire existence of the USSR, he sold only 7 civilian aircraft for money, the rest went through barter, often unequal, or were simply donated for loyalty.

      And for you, not everything was measured directly, in money ... How many civil aircraft did Russia sell? And in percentage terms to the global market? By the way, what kind of aircraft were used by the Air Force countries?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 November 2020 11: 46
    -4
    Russia manufactures everything from pins to satellites, rocket engines, gas turbines, reactors, and fuel for reactors, airplanes in total 50000 items in the volumes in which they order and buy from us.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 1 November 2020 11: 52
    15
    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia manufactures everything from pins to satellites, rocket engines, gas turbines, reactors, and fuel for reactors, airplanes in total 50000 items in the volumes in which they order and buy from us.

    laughing laughing laughing the morning of the Prigogine people began laughing Rzhunemagu, what are you wearing now? Maybe you have a yellow viburnum? can the smart phone scatter, oh sorry screpophone? laughing
  • Aag
    Aag 1 November 2020 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia manufactures everything from pins to satellites, rocket engines, gas turbines, reactors, and fuel for reactors, airplanes in total 50000 items in the volumes in which they order and buy from us.

    "Everything" - is it too loud?
    And, the key phrase: "... in those volumes in which they order and buy from us."
    Well, and most importantly, what is being sold helps the working people (who still has such an opportunity) masses?
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 09: 40
    +2
    Not everyone was given an apartment.
    It is good if you worked at a large enterprise or in the SMU.
    You could quickly get an apartment there. During the construction of a glass factory, we built a village for the factory workers in parallel. Kindergarten, nursery, shop.
    And if he worked in some kind of housing and communal services or household service, you could wait for an apartment until retirement.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 31 October 2020 10: 04
      +3
      And if he worked in some kind of housing and communal services or household service, you could wait for an apartment until retirement.

      In housing and communal services, too, they quickly gave, for example, the janitor immediately received departmental housing. Household service is, of course, the last thing.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 October 2020 11: 31
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: Stas157
    Then the parents exchanged for a four-room with surcharge.


    This is a confession of a CRIME (according to the laws of the USSR): who allowed you to practice speculation and profit on STATE property (apartment)?

    Them period should have been. And he was when they caught.

    And where are the "principles"?

    Quote: Stas157
    lived in a three-room apartment, which the state gave for free.

    This is NOT YOUR apartment. Under certain conditions, it could have been lost (and lost)
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2020 16: 53
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      They should have had a deadline. And he was when they caught.

      For what? The usual exchange of an apartment one for another. According to a newspaper ad. The owners were given a surcharge. Many have done so.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 November 2020 09: 15
        -1
        Quote: Stas157
        For what? The usual exchange of an apartment one for another. According to a newspaper ad. They gave the OWNER a supplement. Many have done so.


        What, it didn't come again? Host apartments-STATE.

        And you-speculated and profited on HIS property - and this is a crime about which you, as an honest adviser person were obliged convey to the OBKhSS, and not contribute to the destruction of the state, because
        Quote: Stas157
        Many have done so.


        WHERE are your owls. principles have gone when it touched you personally? Disappeared like smoke ...

        Shame ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 November 2020 09: 57
          +4
          I was a schoolboy then. And the parents were honest workers at the factory. There are awards. Dear people who are not capable of immoral acts. Now both are honorary labor veterans. They won't take someone else's penny. A rarity in modern times.

          Both are for the USSR. They believe that the present life is unfair.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 November 2020 10: 54
            -3
            Quote: Stas157
            In general, I was a schoolboy then.

            P. Morozov was also a schoolboy.
            Quote: Stas157
            And the parents were honest workers at the factory. There are awards. Dear people who are not capable of immoral acts. Now both are honorary labor veterans. They won't take someone else's penny. A rarity in modern times.

            And I did not doubt for a single second: honor and praise to them.

            But they committed the crime of speculation on PUBLIC PROPERTY. And there are a lot of people like you. And a lot of speculation and the like led to 1991

            I don't doubt for a second that they would have done it legally and through the state, if there was such legal possibility. But the state forced their act differently: she was not.

            Hence, black brokers and the black market for real estate, huge cropping money there, the most humiliating forced fictitious divorces for a person, guardianship, adoptions, marriages - for registration for obtaining, keeping square meters
            Quote: Stas157
            Both are for the USSR. They believe that the present life is unfair.
            Their right.

            But ask them is the death of many million people in peaceful years 11920s, 1930s, 1940s from HUNGER and hypocritical deceitful criminal silence "people's" about these citizens of the country?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 1 November 2020 11: 13
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              But ask them-Is the death of many millions of people in the peaceful years of the 11920s, 1930s, 1940s from HUNGER and the hypocritical false criminal silence of the "people's" about these citizens of the country?

              He asked. Stalin's father was still there. Tells people cried when Stalin died. Stalin's love was popular, genuine. Here's your answer.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 1 November 2020 12: 17
              -4
              Quote: Stas157
              He asked. Stalin's father was still there. Tells people cried when Stalin died. Stalin's love was popular, genuine. INfrom you and the answer.

              No, this is not an answer: people DIDN'T KNOW about the millions who died of hunger in a "good" country in the 20-40s. About 640 thousand only executed during the year 37-38. About millions of peasants robbed and exiled. About terrible demographics. They LIEED all the time about the opposite.

              That's when people KNOW, then they can evaluate, not earlier.

              And yes, the ALL CPSU voted for the debunking of the cult of personality at the 20th congress.

              For the removal of the body, the ALL KPSS at the 22nd congress, at the request of the WORKERS-Leningraders.

              No demonstrations of indignant people, no uprising, no ralliesnothing.

              Exactly 59 years ago, on October 30, 61, people went to the Lenin-Stalin mausoleum, and on November 1, 61, they also CLEEPLY went to the Lenin's hedgehog mausoleum, like there was nothing... The same with thousands of monuments, paintings, books ..
            3. Ivan Kolodin
              Ivan Kolodin 1 November 2020 21: 52
              +2
              Well, how many times have been poked with facts personally to you, the figure of 654000 is correct, but for the period 1920-1953 where Bandera, Vlasov, criminals and so on, enough about the millions killed by Stalin personally, there are archives, everything has long been laid out on shelves ... ...
            4. Olgovich
              Olgovich 2 November 2020 14: 23
              0
              Quote: Ivan Kolodin
              Well, how many times have been poked with facts personally to you, the figure of 654000 is correct, but for the period 1920-1953 where Bandera, Vlasov, criminals and so on, enough about the millions killed by Stalin personally, there are archives, everything has long been laid out on shelves ... ...

              Ignorant, PAVLOV'S INFORMATION to help you: for one single PEACEFUL year (august 37-august 38) just shot much more than HALF MILLION people!

              Such wildness has not been anywhere and never, hack to death on your forehead!
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 3 November 2020 21: 06
    0
    Yes, you, my friend, a Pharisee ... Gd will punish ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 November 2020 05: 19
      0
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      Yes you, my friend, a Pharisee ... Gd will punish

      you've already been punished, yes ...
  • Squelcher
    Squelcher 31 October 2020 16: 59
    -2
    1987 went to a classmate to help with studies, he lived in the railway. car at the station, barracks with amenities on the street, too. We lived on the 7th in a 2-room Khrushchev without gas and hot water. The norm of "free" housing in the USSR was about 8 square meters per person, a mortgage is better than "free" mockery.
    1. alex967
      alex967 31 October 2020 17: 40
      +1
      We had the same thing in the PMS.
      In the late 80s, early 90s, they began to build housing for them. 2 brick, two-storey, comfortable houses and timber, 2-apartment houses. Brick houses were hooked up to the PMS stoker. In the early 2000s, the PMS refused to heat them and cut off the heating main.
      Beams were also built haphazardly and most of them were already recognized as emergency.
  • stalki
    stalki 31 October 2020 09: 34
    12
    Remained. What did the author say wrong? What were the disadvantages along with the advantages? ))
    And now you want to say better, and there are no shortcomings? laughing laughing laughing I remember when I came to Lipetsk to see my granny for the summer, because there the town-forming enterprise generally made it possible to use public transport for free, telephones on the streets also worked for free, kvass for five kopecks. Well, yes, it's all about sweets. The conversation is not really about them, but about stability and confidence in the future, about peace of mind for their children. I would give a lot for that. I would go back there without even thinking. Only for the previous education it is already possible to return the union, and there were plenty of such benefits. And now all this must be knocked out with sweat, they will also spit into the soul. The mood of the people in the best years of the union was such that they were ready to create heaven on earth. And they could damn it. They could and could.

    Ps so the author is a big minus for the article.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 13: 04
      -7
      "Now you want to say better." Now it is more or less normal, but shortcomings and problems - where are they not?
      1. stalki
        stalki 31 October 2020 14: 35
        +1
        "Now you want to say better." Now it is more or less normal, but shortcomings and problems - where are they not?
        Yes, yes, pid .... ry and the forest .... and they wander the streets, young people are mired in drugs and other miserable entertainment, children must be controlled from all sides in every sense. They didn't give a damn about the old people. The ideology was buried, there is no censorship, the future is in a fog, I can go on forever. No, I can see the good too, but it's all with such difficulty and with such slippage and so little in comparison with the union. Better not to compare, the wrong scale. Smallish attempts and people now care more for themselves than for the country. Note that I am not saying that living is bad, it all depends on the person and the place of stay. But before that they did not even think about it, and the village was raised and the city was on top, and no matter where you lived in the country, they thought about you in advance and created everything possible for your development. People were under the protection of the state and were part of it. Now defend yourself and don't forget about the state. "Cool, yeah?
        1. alex967
          alex967 31 October 2020 15: 31
          0
          Yes, the village was "raised".
          In 1977-78 he lived in a village, a central estate, as they would say now: a millionaire's collective farm. In the whole village, more than 2000 inhabitants, there was not one square meter of asphalt.
          1. stalki
            stalki 31 October 2020 16: 01
            0
            Yes, the village was "raised".
            In 1977-78 he lived in a village, a central estate, as they would say now: a millionaire's collective farm. For the whole village, more than 2000 residents did not have more than one square meter of asphalt
            Yes, asphalt is the main thing laughing in the village. And now there is asphalt, and even then not everywhere and with a creak, somehow, for the most part, for some reason even 50 people will not be typed. Here I want to cry. Did you really think that I was about the material? No, I'm talking about the essential. And this is much more important.
            1. alex967
              alex967 31 October 2020 17: 21
              -3
              From this came the collapse.
              In the slogans: everything for a person, everything in the name of a person. But in fact, bread was brought to the selmag once a week.
              1. stalki
                stalki 31 October 2020 18: 01
                +1
                From this came the collapse.
                In the slogans: everything for a person, everything in the name of a person. But in fact, bread was brought to the selmag once a week.
                Now you have written this complete nonsense, apparently, you have not even closely studied this issue.
              2. alex967
                alex967 31 October 2020 18: 10
                0
                Конечно.
                Why is there asphalt in the village, walk in shit.
                I didn't study, I lived in the village.
              3. stalki
                stalki 31 October 2020 18: 33
                +5
                Конечно.
                Why is there asphalt in the village, walk in shit.
                I didn't study, I lived in the village.
                I also lived, in "this" as you put it, no one went, apparently except you. Half of childhood barefoot with rolled up trousers and with sticks instead of fishing rods, fattening crucian carp. Milk bread is always fresh, were full. Not capricious, seasoned, not spoiled. That was my childhood in the 70s.
              4. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 18: 52
                +1
                Quote: alex967
                Why is there asphalt in the village, walk in shit.
                I didn't study, I lived in the village.

                Today I get to my native village, where all my relatives on my mother’s side were born and raised, in 1 hour. Because of how communications appeared - communication and roads.
                At the time of the "developed USSR", a trip to the village was akin to a trip to the taiga - what you took with you, then you eat, then you put on. Electricity - a bus, then on foot. In total, the road to my father's house took 2-3 hours, with reference to the transport schedule.
                Someone sees only overgrown fields. And I see all around solid arable land and modern agricultural machinery.
              5. Ivan Kolodin
                Ivan Kolodin 1 November 2020 21: 57
                +2
                Oh, forgive me, I don’t believe, and where do we have such well-to-do villages that at least the region became better than under the USSR, name and that everyone also, and the club and the cinema, and the hospital and collective farm baths, and bake their own bread ???? Where is it ???
              6. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 1 November 2020 22: 14
                -1
                Quote: Ivan Kolodin
                Oh, sorry I don’t believe, and where do we have such prosperous villages that at least the region became better than under the USSR

                Oryol Region. Mtsensk region.
                Quote: Ivan Kolodin
                also, the club and the cinema, and the hospital and collective farm baths, and bake their own bread

                But why?
                Which cinema? They all have TVs and home theaters. What are the baths? Public?
                Do you also belong to the "USSR 2.0" sect? To keep everything as before?
                Today those who want to work in the countryside have found work. I will say more - the lack of skilled workers.
                Quote: Ivan Kolodin
                Where is it ??

                In Russia.
                But you seem to be living in a different country. And another life ...
  • Aag
    Aag 31 October 2020 19: 52
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    "Now you want to say better." Now it is more or less normal, but shortcomings and problems - where are they not?

    Aha! Normal, -central (state) TV channels with a child can not be turned on, -black! .. Well, political campaigns, against this background, are disadvantages.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 31 October 2020 06: 57
    21
    What people! Stas, hello! hi
    Without pouring crap on the USSR, the current darkness, with all the desire, can not be whitewashed.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2020 07: 14
      24
      Hello! The author (or rather a master of black stuff) blames communal apartments in the USSR and completely forgets about the homeless people in the current "prosperity", about the people at the cisterns. Of people! Not animals. Then there was simply no such shame.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 October 2020 14: 39
        -3
        Then they took any drunkard on bail - effective-not effective, dangerous production-safe, anyway, they did not let a friend go to waste. fellow And fell apart - how strange, yeah?
        1. Aag
          Aag 31 October 2020 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Then they took any drunkard on bail - effective-not effective, dangerous production-safe, anyway, they did not let a friend go to waste. fellow And fell apart - how strange, yeah?

          Extend the thought - where do the "ineffective" go now?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 October 2020 20: 29
            0
            Security, movers, etc.
      2. alex967
        alex967 31 October 2020 15: 35
        0
        They were always homeless.
        For whom then was Article 209: systematic vagrancy or begging?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 31 October 2020 15: 47
          +6
          Quote: alex967
          They have always been, homeless people.

          I have never seen it in the USSR. And now - every day. In the morning, the scrap metal is being dragged into the sharazh. The road just passes by our house.
          This is not counting those who sherudite on the tanks! Your generalizationis simply inappropriate anyway. If before there was someone, now it is a thousand times more.

          Oh, those lovers of equalization!
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 08: 03
      +9
      hi
      Quote: lexus
      the current darkness, with all the desire, can not be whitewashed.

      Black dog you will not wash to white.
  • nemez
    nemez 31 October 2020 07: 36
    13
    And the author never lived. He was 25-30 years old.
  • prior
    prior 31 October 2020 08: 58
    +7
    "People in search of meaning."

    Life without meaning is meaningless.
    It would seem so obvious, but not for the Kremlin "worms".
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 31 October 2020 12: 25
    +4
    I will express a banal, perhaps understandable to everyone, the idea that the USSR should not have been destroyed, but developed, improved, modernized, opening up a little to the world, and the authorities had to be cleared of stuck. Then WOULD live not only not worse, but also better now.

    However, what happened happened. The USSR, I believe, will not be returned, although sometime in the future, I think, there will be something similar.

    And now we need to do everything possible to make Russia better. And this is not only a matter of the top, but of EVERYONE on the ground!
    1. alex967
      alex967 31 October 2020 13: 56
      0
      Through the party and the Komsomol, all sorts of sticklers climbed into power.

      Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other riffraff.
      The neighbors also have everything from the party and the Komsomol.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 31 October 2020 16: 52
        0
        Quote: alex967
        Through the party and the Komsomol, all sorts of sticklers climbed into power.

        Stickers before, and then, and now climb through ALL loopholes, the main thing is to pretend well to believe and get lost among millions of honest people. Then the easiest way was through the Komsomol and the party. He stuck, nevertheless, much less than decent people.
        1. Aag
          Aag 31 October 2020 20: 03
          +1
          "He stuck, nevertheless, much less than decent people ...."
          The problem is that the proposed realities lead to a change in this ratio in the opposite direction. (((
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 31 October 2020 20: 10
            0
            Quote: AAG
            The problem is that the proposed realities lead to a change in this ratio in the opposite direction. (((

            Churchill once said that "nothing can spoil a good person, not even big money." This, however, is about a GOOD person. laughing
  • Civil
    Civil 31 October 2020 14: 04
    +2
    Who wants to revive the USSR - all are piled up and Soros, agents paid by the West ... millions of sleeping hirelings of the State Department! Who are Geyropa's spies against corruption. What do you want like in Ukraine?
  • boni592807
    boni592807 31 October 2020 15: 29
    +8
    Post-Soviet myth-making

    If it’s about myth-making, then it’s to the "noodle makers" on this topic. When they talk about the USSR, young people are being pounded, about the times of the USSR BASED ON the period of the "best German" -Gorby wassat ... With his economic quirks and thinking, as a result of His activities, most often the picture with empty shelves AND QUEUES AND FIGHTS is shown.
    The question is, why don't they show what happened under Leonid Ilyich ...? No. In terms of the standard of living of the USSR, it no longer differed from the West; in terms of social protection of citizens, it was unattainable for them. Yes, the quality of life (comfort) was different, but they worked on it successfully, see incl. on TV about Soviet galoshes (not only in VT, but also in civilian ones) and ... But, Gorby, Yakovlev and Shevardnadze happened with the company belay .
    How was the issue of the transition from cards resolved after the war in Western "democracies" and in the USSR? Guess young people who was the first to refuse the cards? Especially if you remember what it cost the USSR. Just that there was a VICTORY in the war with United Europe in the face of the fascists. Germany. With huge losses from l / s, citizens, in the economy ... the USSR, in fact, pulled the whole war on itself .... Yes, and the "allies" were leading before, during, and only after 2 MV. As cheaters, and sometimes as extortionists. Hiroshima and Nagasaki to help "sclerotik". And Anglitskoe, with an attempt to involve the United States with the preparation of Operation Impossible, in 1945, then Churchill gave orders to store captured German weapons with an eye to its possible use against the USSR, placing the surrendered Wehrmacht soldiers and officers in a divisional division in Schleswig-Holstein and in southern Denmark for an attack on the USSR.
    Why Then IN the West, suddenly CARE about social issues in defiance of the USSR? Are these questions closed now (without the USSR)? ...
    Why, given the "decisive" market of the Russian Federation, from the 2nd power (USA, USSR), "successfully moved" to the countries of the 3rd world with the RF budget less than New York in the 90s? And, is there much that "has no analogues" not only in the Russian Federation, "originally" from the USSR? Good luck young analysts hi ... R.S. I am not suggesting to believe, be sure, go through the documents .. do not look for answers in social networks - a conflict of interest. The grand-eaters of the USA and SOROS will overwhelm with the "truth" ... bully
  • for
    for 31 October 2020 07: 57
    10
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Boris Berezovsky - LogoVAZ
    Mikhail Khodorkovsky - Rosprom Group (Menatep)
    Mikhail Fridman - Alfa Group
    Peter Aven - Alfa Group
    Vladimir Gusinsky - The Bridge Group
    Alexander Smolensky - SBS-Agro (Capital Savings Bank)
    Vladimir Potanin - Oneximbank
    Vitaly Malkin [3] [4] - Russian loan
    Vladimir Vinogradov - Inkombank

    And the current ones are angels.
    The oligarchs of the 90s, led by Yeltsin and outright thieves, were tools, and the current ones (oligarchs and the authorities) are the puppeteers and beneficiaries.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 31 October 2020 09: 24
    31
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Of course, it's a pity that a lot of good things left over from the USSR are left in the past ... I hope the future generation will correct our mistakes for the better.

    Alexey, you just got baptized and spat, what kind of USSR are you grieving about?
    Or were you a political worker in the SA? I noticed that they now have a certain inclination towards religion.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 31 October 2020 14: 16
    +6
    ...... now to the author ......
    the author this time surprised strongly by the fact that he did not write about the development of medicine, hygiene, and health care in general. But before he had repeatedly medical topics!
    For example, Pyotr Frantsevich Lesgaft, who was persecuted under the tsar, was prevented from working as unreliable. But he wanted to have physical education, including for workers! Only after the Revolution, in 1919, 9 years after his death, the Natural Science Institute named after him began to work!
    It was the Bolsheviks who began to spread knowledge about health care, about hygiene, among the proletarians, workers, peasants, among the entire population of the country.
  • Iris
    Iris 31 October 2020 18: 02
    -1
    [quote] [/ quote] This seven-banking system harmed our country more than Hitler. "

    There are no statistics on "90s sunk loss"; it is not even clear how it can be calculated at all .. No doubt, the 90s were one of the worst periods in the history of the country. Still, I think it's not worth comparing this time with the War - I don't think that 90 million people died from hunger and bullet wounds in the 26s.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 31 October 2020 21: 28
    -3
    Our committee is interbank, and the banks are "committee"
    To Pelevin
    Sincerely
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 1 November 2020 13: 10
    +5
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    This seven-bank system harmed our country more than Hitler.

    Now the boyars have changed and there are more of them.
    1. Financier
      Financier 8 November 2020 02: 52
      +9
      Quote: lis-ik
      Now the boyars have changed and there are more of them.

      They became bolder and richer.
  • Misha Smirnov_2
    Misha Smirnov_2 4 November 2020 14: 28
    -1
    Lying. All except Berezovsky zits are the chairmen of the cop clans.
    The cops robbed Russia.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 31 October 2020 05: 47
    21
    In the new Russia, it turns out, life is much more comfortable, nourishing and safer.
    a very controversial statement ... who lives like this? oligarchy? friends of the darkest? those who successfully settled at the trough?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 October 2020 05: 53
      +4
      oligarchy? friends of the darkest? those who successfully settled at the trough?

      smile Of course ... for this, the wild privatization and voucherisation was started ... when large property from the hands of our society smoothly flowed into the private hands of a handful of the elite.
      Now these guys have settled well and are trying not to shine once again ... in addition, they diligently brainwash the population that this is how it should be.
      True, Chubais became completely insolent, decided once again to lay his paw openly on the pension savings of citizens ... with whom our beloved state again started an incomprehensible game with ranks.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 October 2020 06: 26
        11
        A "friend of friends" does not abandon his own and does not punish.
      2. Alexy
        Alexy 31 October 2020 11: 37
        +1
        Large property, as you put it, has never belonged to society. Everything belonged to the state, and this, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences. By the way, state apartments in the USSR were not private property and it was impossible to sell or buy them. Those. people lived in them, but were not full-fledged owners. So everything is very relative. Under the Soviet Union there were some pluses and minuses, now others. And two scales cannot be compared like a pear and an apple.
    2. U-58
      U-58 31 October 2020 06: 43
      19
      At the expense of "living safer" - an absolute delusion exactly the opposite.
      Now more satisfying ...
      So I'm about 62 years old. Working pensioner, so I'm not in danger of hunger.
      Let it amuse someone, but I have never tasted avocado and mango. I tasted the first rolls on the day of the 60th anniversary. The son ordered. Escargot, Tartar, kyufta with achar and mushrooms are unknown to me.
      Pasta with cutlet, rice with fish, scrambled eggs seasoned with pickled cucumber and a slice of smoked sausage - this is the diet I know. That is, personally, I did not eat more satisfying under the new "old regime"
      Now doubts are oppressive: the same sausage made from meat or soy?
      In Soviet times, there were few such sausages (for they did not live in Moscow), but there was no doubt about the quality of it.
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 31 October 2020 07: 46
        29
        Is it really about sausage ... People are now nostalgic for stability and confidence in the future, guaranteed free education, health care, work, housing and social security. For a quiet life, finally. Remember, children walked on the street all day quietly without adults. ...
  • 9PA
    9PA 31 October 2020 05: 50
    20
    Nostalgia? Nostalgia may be due to what you personally found. I did not find the state of Stalin's time, but I have a wild nostalgia for it
    1. nemez
      nemez 31 October 2020 07: 39
      +8
      Because there was a demand from the top management, but under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, on the contrary, they covered it.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 31 October 2020 05: 50
    18
    "Living in new Russia is more comfortable and satisfying"
    Ah ha ha, which class of society is this? The bourgeoisie, yes, but ordinary citizens who are exploited or have no jobs at all are worse, because the majority have income only for food, and they simply have no money for durable goods. 25 million below the poverty line, the modern reality of Russia.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 October 2020 06: 06
      +9
      most of them earn only for food, and they simply have no money for durable goods. 25 million below the poverty line, the modern reality of Russia.

      Most importantly, the prospects ... what are the prospects for the working class? ... and the prospects are gloomy to say the least. what
      Although Putin speaks about the social orientation of the state ... it is not very believable ... judging by the way the people in power turn their pension savings, they do not care about ordinary citizens.
      I recently talked with young guys about this ... complete nihilism ... as they say they called the wrong country Honduras ... bad.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 31 October 2020 06: 25
        +8
        Because in Russia everything is connected with nepotism and corruption, it is necessary to carry out specific purges in all branches of government.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 31 October 2020 06: 29
          +7
          Because in Russia everything is connected with nepotism and corruption, it is necessary to carry out specific purges in all branches of government.

          It will not work ... this is a systemic disease associated with the political structure of the state ...
          Putin clearly said ... there will be no deprivatization ... which means that all internal contradictions within the state structure will only grow that sooner or later will result in a systemic crisis ... roughly speaking, the computer will freeze and stop performing its function.
          1. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 31 October 2020 08: 20
            +6
            Putin said clearly ... there will be no deprivatization ...

            And Putin also said that there would be no increase in the retirement age. Wait and see. We can have EVERYTHING!
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 31 October 2020 08: 28
              +4
              And Putin also said that there would be no increase in the retirement age. Wait and see. We can have EVERYTHING!

              Of course it can ... if the situation changes ... in 20 years in power, Putin has clearly shown what he can and cannot do.
              It is clear that he will not dismantle the results of privatization ... it is clear that the people who brought him to power will remain in their places, he is satisfied with the current status quo in our society.
              When the status of a working man is reduced to the plinth.
              Who are our heroes now in the media ... who is the most popular? ... not a locksmith Vanka, not a turner Petka, not a janitor Fyodor ... but a bandit, a banker, forgive glamorous whores and other major trash ... for whom hard workers are scum, slaves and serfs ... I really do not like it ... I do not accept this state of affairs.
              As one lady said to a taxi driver getting into a taxi ... take me scum ... belay ... how it feels.
              1. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 31 October 2020 10: 26
                +2
                Depritavization, especially landslide, is a dangerous business. The oligarchs will resist desperately, and a large part of the people will be led away by direct bribery with generous promises. And liberalism will take their side without exception, and abroad will help them. A lot of blood will be spilled. And the bloodless process will take decades. So which do we prefer?
                Who are our heroes now in the media ... who is the most popular? ... not a locksmith Vanka, not a turner Petka, not a janitor Fyodor ... but a bandit, a banker, forgive the glamorous whores and other major trash ..

                Will you read and watch about locksmiths, turners and janitors? During the Soviet era, a lot was written about them, documentaries and television programs were shot, well, who read and watched it a lot? And now we have the most rated news - chernukha, about how everything is bad with us, and it will be even worse, and jaundice on the topic, they say, Lolita got divorced, Buzova got married, and the great singer Natalya Sturm was seen with this and that ... The yellow press, TV and the Internet bloom and smell, and they do not plan to fade. Probably because there is demand, right?
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 31 October 2020 10: 45
                  +1
                  So I don’t watch all this stuff of Ksenia Sobchak ... sorry how she rolls in a coffin ... sorry for such an abomination ... it’s impossible to digest all this muck in the media.
                  1. Sergey M. Karasev
                    Sergey M. Karasev 31 October 2020 12: 40
                    +2
                    And someone looks, and there are a lot of them, since jaundice is flourishing. Demand determines supply.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 31 October 2020 08: 21
            +6
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Putin made it clear ... there will be no deprivatization

            Well, Putin is not eternal!
            all internal contradictions within the state structure will only grow, which sooner or later will result in a systemic crisis ..

            And here the opinion "at the top" may change, or it will be changed from below in order to prevent this very crisis.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 October 2020 13: 16
      -4
      Officially, 12 million of working people are poor. But in our country, poverty is counted according to the official salary, but everyone knows very well that it is easier for an employer to indicate a living wage in the office of the salary and pay less taxes, and the rest in envelopes, therefore, official statistics on poverty can be said to be relative. It will become completely transparent and accurate only when all the money in the country is transferred to digital format - with the control system of everyone and everyone who received how much and when and who when and how much spent from the tax authorities, no one can hide anything in this case, and bribery and corruption disappear.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 31 October 2020 20: 12
        0
        The same can be obtained by making differentiated budget payments to employers - for example, payments for low-paid workers should be more than for medium- and high-paid workers. And this difference should cover the additional risks for workers associated with low wages and stimulate an increase in wages - spending on additional medicine, retraining, opening high-paid jobs, additional contributions to funded pension. The point is to increase the level of protection of such workers, to close the loophole of evasion of payments.
        Along the way, this will lead to an acceleration of automation and mechanization of labor, since the employer wants to get more out of a more paid employee and will begin to introduce technical innovations. All this is achievable without digital money.
  • Comrade
    Comrade 31 October 2020 06: 08
    26
    The whole post-Soviet myth-making is based on the delusion about the welfare state and social solidarity, embodied in the memories of the social guarantees of the Brezhnev era.

    I will share my recollection, according to the author of the article - a delusion.
    When I was a child, I was sent to pioneer camps, I especially remember "Kastel" (not far from Alushta).
    The change was worth 10 rubles, the salary of a design engineer is about 120 rubles.
    Let's compare the prices.
    Under Soviet rule, the change cost ten rubles (the rest was covered by the trade union), two years ago a shift in the same camp cost 34 650,00 rubles. Today, most likely, it is even more expensive.

    I go to Google and find out that: "The average salary for the position" Engineer "(Republic of Crimea) is 24 085 rubles... per month"
    Output.
    If I were today an engineer in Simferopol, like my parents used to be, I would not be able to send my child to a children's camp.
    So why shouldn't I remember Leonid Brezhnev and the Soviet Union with kindness? Under socialism, the state took care of children, but under capitalism it did not.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2020 06: 43
      17
      Quote: Comrade
      Under socialism, the state took care of children, but under capitalism it did not.

      Under socialism, people began to pay pensions, but now they are taken away. The retirement age is reduced and paid little more than nothing.
      Then the rent was a penny, but now half of the pension. And this is a country of prosperity according to the author!
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 31 October 2020 06: 51
      10
      Everything is relative. And if we compare "then" and "now", it turns out that it was precisely a state of social solidarity and justice, and not "post-Soviet myth-making."
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 31 October 2020 10: 14
        +7
        By the way, stop making excuses for the Soviet Union, let Sakhalin and Krasnodar residents tell about homeless people and beggars. Let them tell how the interests of Russia are ignored by the boys in the Kremlin.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 31 October 2020 10: 11
      -7
      Quote: Comrade
      The change cost 10 rubles, the salary of a design engineer was about 120 rubles.
      Let's compare the prices.
      Under Soviet rule, a change cost ten rubles (the rest was covered by the trade union), two years ago a change in the same camp cost 34 rubles. Today, most likely, it is even more expensive.

      The difference between the real cost of the voucher and the "price" for it was compensated by the country from the state budget, at the expense of those workers whose children never got to the notorious pioneer camp for children of thugs in Crimea, such as "Artek" or "Orlyonok".
      I have always been touched by the local "financiers and economists" who can count the "inconsistencies" of the current government, but not in the teeth in the economy of the USSR. Where the main and only means were state subsidies. Literally everything.
    4. Alexy
      Alexy 31 October 2020 11: 52
      +1
      Now rich enterprises also partially pay for the vacation of employees and their families. Another thing is that there are several times fewer such enterprises today than then.
  • U-58
    U-58 31 October 2020 06: 09
    33
    The author is somewhat disingenuous, describing both Soviet realities and nostalgia for them.
    I am also a Soviet person. In 1991 I turned 33.
    So this is what I have to say. Undoubtedly, material issues - medicine, education, housing and communal services - are important topics for nostalgia for Soviet power.
    But not the main ones.
    And the main thing in our memories is nostalgia for the then inner worldview.
    Here we lived then and did not bother with such rubbish.
    But the Yeltsin counter-revolution broke out, the first rich boors, the first arrogant bandits appeared, and ... inside it became uncomfortable.
    And since then, the sensations have changed, but still not at ease.
    And there is a TV with an immense diagonal, and a smartphone with a super-duper Snapdragon, but the soul still lacks something. Some kind of interhuman warmth, sincerity, conscientiousness.
    But these are all the building blocks of the primordially Russian mentality.
    And now we are being made into a kind of post-industrial faceless herd without a historical heritage and without a national mentality.
    Make us easily manageable with money [b. s.d lo], with which you can do whatever you want.
    And there is no longer a sense of the "greatness" of the Russian (Russian) people, the breadth of soul, disinterestedness, friendliness is not visible in people.
    That is why nostalgia.
    But a tram for 3 kopecks is quite good, citizens.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 31 October 2020 06: 20
      12
      Make us easily manageable with money [b. s.d lo], with which you can do whatever you want.
      And there is no longer a sense of the "greatness" of the Russian (Russian) people, the breadth of soul, disinterestedness, friendliness is not visible in people.

      Next in turn is a digital concentration camp and a social digital rating ... a very creepy prospect for the average person.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2020 12: 14
        -1
        Next in line is a digital concentration camp. It will not affect you and everyone else - but you will not be able to steal money in it, since they will also become digital with constant audit who received how much and who spent how much on the Blockchain system - is it bad in my opinion, excellent.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 31 October 2020 06: 23
      19
      strangely the world is arranged ... a gang of several hundred bandits rules over millions of people, convincing them that they themselves have chosen it. and there are many, many such countries. request
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 31 October 2020 06: 37
      13
      For me personally, who just joined the pioneers and saw the collapse of the Great Country, the main memory is not about the prices, but about the fact that there was solidarity and kindness around .. you could go to ask for water in someone else's house, they will always bring you to the pond, home like strangers people helped to get there with a broken nose and a great, etc. that was cool! it is much more valuable than money ..
      And the Soviet groundwork and the Soviet mentality and ideology .. yes, yes .. it is the Soviet one .. they use now, for "stability" - there are enemies around, we have to wait and there will be light, we will get together / tolerate and achieve, you want, like in the 90s there they have "..
      But .. for generation Z, and in the majority for generation Y (1981-2000) .. these formulas do not really work .. they are no longer "Soviet" people and it is impossible to make them Soviet without the USSR .. and not much people of the 90s- were small .. and when sooner or later they will become the majority, and this moment is not far off .. Then something will change .. God forbid, for the better, but the fact that it will be irreversible ..
      It would be logical to change something already now in anticipation of this .. A big nation cannot be without ideology, even in the capitalist USA there is an "American Dream", in Israel, "chosenness", etc. But...
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 31 October 2020 07: 02
        14
        "you could have asked for water in someone else's house"
        Then it was - "man is a friend to man", now, unfortunately, - "man is a wolf to man"
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 31 October 2020 08: 11
        16
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        you could have asked for water in someone else's house

        But for sure. I have completely forgotten that this was once! And the neighbor could have salt, bread, matches, ask for a stool. Then it was in the order of things.

        You could even spend the night for free with strangers! I remember driving with my parents in a car (Moskvich-412) to the south. In the evening we stopped and asked people where they could spend the night. Us:
        - "So spend the night with us."
        After settling down, dad tries to give people money. In reply:
        - "Well, what are you! Don't. Why are you offending us?"
        You can't imagine that now.
        1. polar fox
          polar fox 31 October 2020 09: 23
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          You can't imagine that now.

          not all are like that))) they come to me like that))) a bath and a lodging for the night with food))) bikers are true, but here their brotherhood.
    4. parusnik
      parusnik 31 October 2020 07: 33
      14
      Yes, by the way, when they invited guests to the holidays, they invited them at their own expense, and not in a club like now ... smile
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 October 2020 08: 29
        12
        I remember that I visited all the neighbors on holidays. They dragged them to visit. And now with the neighbors: "hello-goodbye", and no one invites. Yes, and would have invited - did not go. And if he did, it would not be empty-handed (as before). Life is already different. People have become more alienated. Nobody needs anyone.
        1. alex967
          alex967 31 October 2020 12: 07
          -2
          Maybe people started drinking less?
    5. Rudkovsky
      Rudkovsky 31 October 2020 09: 11
      -2
      << the first rich boors appeared, the first arrogant bandits and ... inside it became uncomfortable. >>

      Where did they come from? Landing from NATO countries? Or is it yesterday's Soviet image-moral people have turned into boors and bandits? Does it really happen? I doubt it.
      1. U-58
        U-58 31 October 2020 09: 19
        +6
        You're right. There have always been individuals in society, for whom everything was never enough. And thieves-thieves took place.
        Let us recall Gorbachev's law on cooperation. The green light was given to a small undertaking. Hooray! Bravo! Freedom, citizens! Unearned income is canceled! Everyone has the right to earn as much as he can and there are no restrictions on this! A celebration of "new thinking"!
        After 2 years, they got a rather remarkable effect.
        Among cooperators, 90% are persons with a criminal past.
        Isn't that where hamstao, swagger, thirst for unjust profit, a little later - racketeering, bandit groups, lawlessness come from?
        Years have passed.
        The gangsters who survived the gang wars settled down, changed their crimson jackets to black ones, and became oligarchs.
        Right now, they have caused economic chaos for the entire people.
        Have you seen the film Hide's Man? So this is on our topic.
        1. Rudkovsky
          Rudkovsky 31 October 2020 10: 24
          -6
          Well, that's just the point. A hooligan in the USSR beat muzzles for an idea, for a district, and then realized that it was possible to beat muzzles for money and it was more interesting and profitable. This is how the "brothers" appeared.
          Soviet people were brought up and lived in an atmosphere of complete loyalty to corruption and theft, the norm was not to buy things, but to get things - in most cases it was synonymous with stealing.

          So that's why you are so surprised at all the post-Soviet savagery? It was under the USSR and was grown and rooted in the minds of people, and these stories about "kind, honest and sincere Soviet people" leave for the kids, they will do, they will believe.
          1. U-58
            U-58 31 October 2020 10: 52
            +1
            I'm not surprised.
            We are writing here out of nostalgia for the Union.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 31 October 2020 06: 25
    16
    Yeltsin (7%) is in second place with a gigantic lag, and life was worst (according to respondents) under Lenin, Stalin, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev.

    Who makes these ratings? Who do they ask? And have they ever traveled outside the Garden Ring, conducting their "large-scale" polls within the state?
    On the Internet, such polls are often carried out and everywhere the three winners are the same Stalin - 1st place, Brezhnev - 2, Andropov - 3 ...
  • svp67
    svp67 31 October 2020 06: 33
    18
    Even looking at the photo with empty shelves in the store, where there are cans of NATURAL juice, I NOSTALGE across the USSR. There they could produce such juice, almost in every collective farm. And generally don't mix everything up. There were a lot of good things in the USSR, something that we have now lost, namely, at least the fact that the social sphere was at a height unattainable now.
    Why do we destroy everything to the ground every time, both good and bad, and try to build something new on these ruins?
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 31 October 2020 06: 40
      +7
      And the most delicious tarragon was from a vending machine .. I still remember it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 October 2020 06: 46
        14
        Quote: ximkim
        And the most delicious tarragon was from a vending machine ..

        And if you also remember its price ...

        And also this ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 31 October 2020 07: 25
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: ximkim
          And the most delicious tarragon was from a vending machine ..

          And if you also remember its price ...



          Tomato juice, if memory does not fail, 8 kopecks for a "granchak" 200 grams.

          As a child, at the Donetsk railway station, I remember drinking ... Perhaps this price, 8 kopecks - also with a "restaurant margin" usual for such places.
          1. for
            for 31 October 2020 08: 28
            +3
            Quote: Insurgent
            Perhaps this price, 8 kopecks -

            As long as I remember (from 60 to 90) 10 kopecks in a store, in automatic machines (Kuibyshev. Kbsh. Region)
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2020 08: 57
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      Even looking at a photo with empty shelves in the store

      There were no empty shelves in the 80s. Empty shelves appeared in the early nineties (well, maybe at the very end in 89). And these photos are from there.
      Of course, the shops did not shine with variety then, but there were no empty shelves either. But there were queues. But even then not always.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 31 October 2020 11: 00
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: svp67
        Even looking at a photo with empty shelves in the store

        There were no empty shelves in the 80s. Empty shelves appeared in the early nineties (well, maybe at the very end in 89). And these photos are from there.
        Of course, the shops did not shine with variety then, but there were no empty shelves either. But there were queues. But even then not always.

        Empty shelves from somewhere in the mid-80s began to come into "fashion" ... and what is interesting, until December 31, 1991, this became a universal phenomenon, but as from January 1, 1992, "Price liberalization" came into force, so 2 January everything appeared - but at a different price, but a lot.
        The question is where did all this come from, if there was not before? Don Rumata walked across the country with a field synthesizer ..
      2. for
        for 1 November 2020 08: 25
        -1
        Quote: Stas157
        But there were queues. But even then not always.

        There were, after the end of the working day. The shelves were empty only with perishable food, they were delivered back to back.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 31 October 2020 06: 34
    17
    "Mythical Justice, Social Equality and Stability"

    What's wrong, why mythical? To the free education, healthcare, apartments mentioned in the article, you can add prices for housing and communal services, electricity, and most importantly - confidence in the future, in yourself and your country. All this was, and there is no getting away from it.
    1. Rudkovsky
      Rudkovsky 31 October 2020 09: 18
      -7
      You are confusing confidence and lack of information. In the Soviet Union, there was a taboo on the coverage of problems, nothing burned, did not fall, did not explode. Pig iron yields grew every week and each five-year plan led to a bright future. Meanwhile, the country was experiencing a complete economic and ideological collapse.

      You can now limit your information circle to the site "made by us" and watching patriotic shows on TV - and you will have the same confidence in the future.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 31 October 2020 09: 47
        +6
        Come on, what other lack of information? Everyone always knew everything.
        There was confidence because there were examples before my eyes.
        Just from personal experience:
        1. "Let's go to Tashkent for the weekend?" And rushed, from the Urals, on Friday evening there, on Sunday evening back. One-way plane ticket 39 rub. just the advance was enough.
        2. "At Sanka's housewarming on Saturday, his father received a three-room apartment from the factory, will you help to carry the piano?"
        And there are many such examples. They knew - if you work honestly, everything will be fine.
      2. faiver
        faiver 31 October 2020 09: 58
        +5
        there was a taboo on the coverage of problems, nothing burned, did not fall, did not explode
        - no need to hang noodles, they reported in the news about fires and plane crashes, but not everything was reported, but there was no complete taboo
        1. Rudkovsky
          Rudkovsky 31 October 2020 10: 37
          -1
          Not everything, not always and not in full, but heavily embellished - this is an informational taboo.

          Here is a Soviet note about the Chernobyl accident, evaluate the streamlined phrases. And this is on the second day after the accident, when the scale was already known. That's how stability was done.

          And show me a note in the Soviet press about the accident in the Chazhma Bay - and you won't show it, but it wasn't. And there were no liquidators of this accident. Full beauty, everyone is alive, everyone is healthy, nothing happened, we smile and wave.

          Here is such a stability. The rams have the same the day before Eid al-Adha, they do not know the same about it and think that they will live happily ever after.

          However, for many people, a happy life of sheep in ignorance is the highest happiness.
          1. faiver
            faiver 31 October 2020 11: 06
            +4
            So now, where the authorities can slow down information, or in valiant America or England in another way?
            It's just now it's harder to hide something because there is a camera in almost every iron
            1. Rudkovsky
              Rudkovsky 31 October 2020 12: 08
              -1
              What does America and England have to do with it? In America, they will start jumping from the window - will you jump? Didn't your mother tell you that as a child? It's a pity.

              Yes, the authorities do not slow down anything, they simply do not assume any responsibility. The algae or the malicious NATO are to blame, the main thing is that we are not.
              1. faiver
                faiver 31 October 2020 12: 15
                +1
                she just takes no responsibility
                - that's for sure, although by definition it should take ...
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 31 October 2020 06: 36
    12
    Yes, there is no longing, there is nostalgia for those bright faces and smiles of people, for human relations. When barbaric, market capitalism suddenly fell on the head in the early 90s, anger and hatred for each other appeared in people.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 31 October 2020 06: 56
    13
    "For the most part, young Russians assess it positively, but they are not ready to return there."
    Any idea needs to be rethought and adjusted over time.
    “In the new Russia, it turns out, life is much more comfortable, satisfying and safer.” Is a controversial statement, in the understanding of the older generation, when everything could be much better, and not the cost of living that is presented to us as great achievements.
    “Or an example about communal apartments with one toilet for 20-30 people. But this accompanied the Soviet people for several generations.”, Of course, this was an achievement, considering that the previous generation lived in dugouts and backfills, even a barrack was an achievement. Only they once again distort with this, like bad cheats, without specifying the era of the mention. At the end of the 90s, the housing issue was resolved at a high pace and they are modestly silent about this.
    "The Zetas simply do not understand the possibility of a total deficit." Which was created artificially from the very top, open and open sabotage. The question is not of the "deficit" itself, as a current one, but the result, the refrigerators were not empty in spite of the "diligence" of the actions of the leaders.
    The most important thing, then it was possible to accumulate money.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2020 07: 01
    18
    At the same time, negative nostalgia, associated, in particular, with the victims of Stalinist repressions, is deliberately kept silent or taken out of the brackets of works of art.
    ... Yes, well ..! ... So it is kept silent. smile What TV series do not take, military, not military, the trail of "bloody gebny" spreads everywhere ..
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 31 October 2020 10: 35
      +2
      There was such a historian VN Zemskov - he devoted his life to studying and exposing the "Stalinist repressions" and came to the conclusion - "97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form."
  • north 2
    north 2 31 October 2020 07: 04
    +3
    let's say Stalin would not have died in 1953, but would have ruled the USSR until the end of the twentieth century. Let's admit. Here in such
    Russians would like to get to the USSR now and the word nostalgia does not fit here. This is not nostalgia, but
    meaningful and analyzed conclusion from those mistakes that from the post-Stalinist times through
    the Khrushchev and Brezhnev times led to the Gorbachev times with the inevitable collapse of the USSR.
    Why would you want to return to a state that will inevitably collapse, because Khrushchevskaya
    the thaw was not some kind of thaw, but slush, and the Brezhnev times were the times when thirteen republics sat on the neck of the RFSSR, only Belarus did without subsidies from Russia, and
    portrayed themselves as such that Russia does not roll them quite gently on its neck.
    the elite and heirs of those whom Stalin thrust into the camps as the fifth column, and Khrushchev released them from the camps, as the future rear of Khrushchev in the republics of the USSR, when he begins to slander Stalin's personality. Then, under Brezhnev, this elite will start registering in Central Asia, in the Baltics they will begin to resent that Russia is still giving them little and is building, and then this elite will bring Gorbachev to power. And at the political studies of the Brezhnev era, more than once there were no lectures or lessons in which they would analyze the topic - how it was under Stalin, after the war, the catastrophically destroyed USSR was rebuilt in eight years, and constantly in Brezhnev time there were lectures and lessons about how much the Brezhnev USSR overtook Tsarist Russia in 1913.
    So let a new Stalin appear in Russia, so the Russians will quickly return to the Stalinist USSR. No one will want to return to Khrushchevskoe, or to the Brezhnevskoe USSR, because there was no
    the fifth column is isolated, but it will still lead to power Gorbachev similar with the prospect of the inevitable collapse of the State, And why dream that it is inevitable to fall apart ...
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 31 October 2020 07: 12
    -28 qualifying.
    Psychological portraits of a "sovk" and a recidivist convict, for whom the prison is his home, in many respects coincide.
    scoop and zone-one nature.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 31 October 2020 07: 53
      13
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      Psychological portraits of a "sovk" and a recidivist convict, for whom the prison is his home, in many respects coincide.
      scoop and zone-one nature.


      Man, wake up, bile is pouring from you ... but no, it's not bile))
      1. Cottager452
        Cottager452 31 October 2020 09: 34
        -10 qualifying.
        In the stall of the "sovchar", in the stall.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 31 October 2020 09: 36
          +7
          Quote: Summer Resident452
          In the stall of the "sovchar", in the stall.


          From the nobles?
          1. Cottager452
            Cottager452 31 October 2020 17: 17
            -1
            Goldfire
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 31 October 2020 17: 25
              +3
              Quote: Summer Resident452
              Goldfire


              A summer resident-gold-chaser? Whoa! I couldn't do that.
              1. SARANCHA1976
                SARANCHA1976 31 October 2020 21: 04
                +1
                He made a reservation .. summer resident-goldsmith
  • parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2020 07: 25
    14
    According to the author, now life has become better, life has become more fun ... laughing I have a friend who works in a rural settlement, in the administration, as an economist. The post is subsidized. Moreover, under the "bloody, totalitarian" regime, there was no such thing .. He says so, the phrase, there is no money, but you hold on, in villages, townships, villages, this is reality.
    1. alex967
      alex967 31 October 2020 09: 49
      -1
      And where will they be if there are no enterprises (taxable base).
      And the one that is working in gray mode.
  • polk26l
    polk26l 31 October 2020 07: 34
    19
    And I got the opinion that VO once again posted an article by a provocateur, from the "fifth column" that grew up on US grants, which has significantly proliferated in Russia and the former republics of the USSR. He emphasizes the so-called negative aspects of the late USSR, without deliberately explaining the reasons for these phenomena! This is the true tactics of the ideological war of the US mongrels, on the collapse of Russian society from within, as their main goal in Russia and the former socialist organizations. republics of the USSR! And I must be honest, they achieved great success, both in the Cold War, in the collapse of the USSR, and in the collapse of the minds of many Soviet people of the post-Soviet period! Especially young people! The internal indifferent policy of the authorities of Russia and the former republics of the USSR, to protect the national interests of their population, led both to the collapse itself and to the subsequent degradation of this population, especially the youth! "A holy place is never empty!" Says a wise saying! The socialist ideology in the states and the educational policy of the population disappeared, the enemy ideology of consumption and the thirst for enrichment by any means, including illegal ones, have come! And we have been vividly observing this since the late 80s. The USSR was destroyed by corrupt and stupid traitors, such as Gorbachev, Yeltsin and others like them! It was they who invented the "new thinking" and "new policy" for the development of a "free" society of the capitalist type, where man to man is not "friend, comrade and brother", as it was in the USSR, but man to man is a Wolf! This became especially noticeable in the stratification of society into "oligarchs" and others, in the works of the so-called Culture (cinema, theater, artistic trends), as well as in modern media (television, radio, print media, the Internet). That's where - "Sodom and Gomorrah"! And the author of the article notes that modern youth no longer knows and does not remember the USSR! And who, all this time, has brought up and is still bringing up - "Ivanov, who do not remember their kinship" ?! Compare the power of influence and grace films, performances, literary and artistic works of the period of the USSR and modern ones !!! Look at the ratings of movie views from the USSR and modern ones! And it immediately becomes clear that a Russian person and a person from the USSR is drawn there - back to the USSR !!! Because it is closer to his soul! And if the modern government does not understand that it is necessary to return Russia from modern capitalism, unacceptable and alien to the people, into a renewed Socialism, with its ideology, bonds and national interests, then this state and people will face the fate of Ukraine and others like it, disappearing countries and peoples!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 31 October 2020 10: 07
      +3
      And I got the opinion that VO once again posted an article by a provocateur, from the "fifth column" that grew up on US grants
      In vain you are so about the author, read his other articles, patriot of Russia smile
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 31 October 2020 13: 12
        +8
        Quote: parusnik
        In vain you are so about the author, read his other articles, patriot of Russia

        Quote: parusnik
        And I got the impression that VO once again posted an article by a provocateur, from the "fifth column" that grew up on US grants, which has significantly proliferated in Russia and the former republics of the USSR.

        A wonderful anti-Soviet article written in a spirit of disdain for its people.
        To the old people who do not understand the bright present of capitalist times, to young people who trust their relatives and friends more than the "creative" intelligentsia, pouring out "a tub of dirt" on the Soviet past.
        I am suspicious of the polls, but the percentage of young people who do not know not only the history of antiquity, but the history of their fathers and grandfathers is indicative. The real guard in power is growing! "Ivans, not remembering kinship." But, this is more a question for fathers and grandfathers, not even for power.
      2. polk26l
        polk26l 31 October 2020 16: 43
        -1
        I am a patriot, but you, judging by the approval of such hacks - no! One such libel is enough for me to appreciate the way of thinking and the purpose of this couch hack! He understands the topic in the same way as a child in the military strategy of an army commander!
  • Eug
    Eug 31 October 2020 07: 36
    10
    What kills me most (morally so far) is the transformation of unequivocally social education, melitsina, transport, housing and communal services into a source of very greedy profit. Life has definitely become more dynamic and it's not always painless ...
  • sleeve
    sleeve 31 October 2020 07: 38
    +1
    It is interesting to listen and read about the need for "ideas". And no one mentions two things:
    1. In general, they avoid assuming its possible content, they say we have no idea.
    2. It is forgotten that this idea is expressed by the leadership and repeatedly, namely, "the construction of a multi-structured society of social justice."
    Let the first one be attributed to a vast layer of features of the new liberal and simply liberal philosophy with a thoroughly nihilistic perception of any proactive action on the part of state ... resources, let's call it that. This is elevated to the main ideology of this thinking current, since these teachings themselves were born and grew as an instrument of struggle against totalitarianism and autocracy in the 19th and 20th centuries, and were competently adapted to re-subordinate the masses to other "control centers" simply through "tactical" ideas and patterns of behavior and thinking. The second statement is excluded by two "corresponding" models, they say this is a very vague formulation and it is impossible to fulfill it in the accepted model of the economy. Both statements are false and smack of fraudulent twisting. (As a Soviet propagandist I behave myself - I wrote statements myself and refuted them myself).
    The process is still going on, despite the reasoning and streams of opinions. And that's right, nostalgia for the USSR is subject to internal changes in the country. But ... They can also change from the fact that the current reality begins to fulfill the "desired". Covid normally showed the effectiveness of almost (though very "almost") Soviet medicine. And voila, less longing for the Union. Anyone who is “for” cannot be offered to “move” in those days, since the Soviet reality would carry away the “nostalgia”. But the more you manage to introduce "fundamental" positives from there to here, the less this desire. So ... Although stop, I forgot that our state management is mostly liberal and all this is not for long. And soon, even too soon, "civilized value" will return to our lives.
  • know
    know 31 October 2020 07: 39
    17
    What nonsense. If small families are evil from the USSR, why are they still not empty? They would have demolished all of them long ago and given people normal apartments.
    Small families are, of course, bad housing, but it's better than nothing at all.
    And on TV they don't talk at all about the good USSR. There are stories about how, CONTRAST, people survived and performed, feats, discoveries, etc.
    And the USSR on your TV set, but, unfortunately.
    And there is no need to talk about the villain Stalin, your millionth shootings in the Gulag and other nonsense have long been sorted out.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 31 October 2020 21: 11
      0
      In the Gulag, no one was shot at all, not one person was even killed there. Because G.U.lag is the main department of the camps.
      1. know
        know 1 November 2020 04: 12
        +1
        Why did you write this?
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 00: 04
          0
          About millions of executions in the gulag
  • Moore
    Moore 31 October 2020 07: 40
    15
    The author is indignant at the fact that the people have finally begun to understand the simple idea that they, the people, are deprived of what was under the USSR - confidence in the future?
    Let us not recall the last years of socialism - the ground was being prepared for the transition to a new society - wild capitalism with a Russian flavor.
    And yes, instead of turning people away from their past, the authorities should think about this: if they did for the people at least half of what was done in the 50-70 years (the same thirty years), the people would long ago I forgot about socialism so hateful for those in power.
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 31 October 2020 08: 30
    +6
    Opinion polls are, of course, a controversial thing, it is not yet known which sample was ...
    Smiled about the comparison of Aurus with the ZIS ?! In my opinion, the body is almost a copy of a Rolls-Royce.
    What is wrong with projecting into a modern way or repetitions of heroes, the idea of ​​living, working for the good of society? Many songs of the past years and I like them, and there is no ideology in them. For example, in a song: "Autumn on a rainy gray day
    A deer galloped through the city, ... "

    What will sound bad to the modern ear? Better than listening to Scrooge.

    Regarding the insufficient coverage of "Stalinist repressions" in contemporary art, let it be enough to insert, portray, speak in cinema, literature and "painting", it is already sick.

    Housing problems in the modern world are very relevant. Tell me, in the West, many people are provided with their 10-16 sq.m. with a private bathroom?

    The modern thesis: life has become safer, life has become more satisfying, controversial for me.

    New anecdotes reworked from old ones are relevant:
    The Governor speaks at the rally: Gentlemen, this year we ... we will live even better !!
    Voice from the crowd: What about us?



    Armenian Radio: We are asked whether there will be
    money in the future under communism? We answer:
    The Yugoslav revisionists believe they will.
    Chinese Maoists believe they won't.
    We approach the question dialectically: some will have it, and some will not.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 31 October 2020 08: 32
    14
    author do not lie! then it was not scary for the children to run on the street until late at night! ate natural food! if you write from a bunker and eat GMO, then chew it all yourself !!!
  • IS-1
    IS-1 31 October 2020 08: 34
    +3
    Are Russians ready to return to the Soviet past?

    And not just to the Soviet past, but to Stalin's!
    Bloodsuckers and talkers spread, especially in "our media" .. The breakup of the union began precisely with the "debunking of the cult" of Stalin .. Marshal of Victory G.K. Zhukov and that was trampled into the mud ..
    I remember China immediately understood where all this leads .. And he was right!
    Putin started well, but then he began to become liberal and Russia is marking time.
    This is how we live our bread. And the voice of the people is the voice of God!
    1. Sergey Matveev
      Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 34
      +9
      Quote: IS-1
      not just in the Soviet past, but in Stalin's

      Not quite so, not into the past, but into the Soviet future of our country.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 October 2020 08: 36
    16
    Interestingly authors get paid for articles. Probably the more people there are, the higher the rate. Threw on the fan and sit and count the money.
    Maybe a pie for five kopecks, but now why are old people digging in trash bins? Do you see Stalin carrying out repressions, and Yeltsin, so beloved by the current government, otherwise why would he want to build a Yeltsin Center in Moscow now? So Yeltsin staged both repression and civil war. Finally, the Soviet leaders bore responsibility, but now "I ask for understanding." Understanding what, what is war, hunger? Themselves tore apart the entire economy, and now the prices for everything are raising. And whoever is against raising prices is a Western agent. Only the West is for these partners, and the people of Russia are nobody for them.
    1. alex967
      alex967 31 October 2020 10: 18
      -5
      And under the USSR, everyone was full. My grandmother had a pension of 26 rubles. Count a lot on her on fat? It's good that your garden. Yes, the children threw money. How lonely?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 31 October 2020 10: 41
        +9
        And my older brother now has about 15 thousand. You won't get too much. Nice garden, vegetable garden. Yes, the son lives across the road. That's just in modern reality, and the son is forced to spin.
      2. Sergey Matveev
        Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 35
        +9
        Quote: alex967
        My grandmother had a pension of 26 rubles. Count a lot on her on fat?

        My mother now has a pension of 14000. Just count, she will make a lot of money on her, taking into account the communal apartment of 4000, the lack of a vegetable garden and with her pride, not taking money from her son.
  • pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 31 October 2020 08: 46
    +4
    Who said that we have no ideology? She is, was and will be. The ideology of creating, increasing and effectively using capital. She was in the USSR at the shop workers. But as in the past, so now, no one will give up their capital just like that. Just imagine the Soviet Union with an abundance of stores and you will get China. But in order for this to happen, it was necessary not to talk about talking, but to work. The welfare state is not a white man's burden, for this it is necessary to work hard.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 31 October 2020 08: 52
    10
    "A pie - 5 kopecks, lemonade - 10 kopecks, ice cream - 15 kopecks, and you can walk on the street all day."

    The impression that the author himself never lived in the USSR, as he quotes the prices of the same young man. Sundae then cost 19 kopecks.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 31 October 2020 09: 59
      13
      Quote: Aviator_

      The impression that the author himself never lived in the USSR, as he quotes the prices of the same young man. Sundae then cost 19 kopecks.

      The author does not care about the truth. The main thing for him is to throw mud into our Motherland - the USSR.
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 31 October 2020 21: 14
      0
      We have Morozhko from 10 to 20, depending on which, soda with syrup 3 kopecks
  • iouris
    iouris 31 October 2020 09: 25
    +1
    The meaning is this: now you are living richly, get ready, they will be robbed again.
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 09: 31
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Even looking at the photo with empty shelves in the store, where there are cans of NATURAL juice, ...


    We lost everything in the late 80s.
    Everything was blown away by the wind.
    1. iouris
      iouris 31 October 2020 16: 38
      0
      Not by the wind, but by command from the Kremlin.
  • In a d and m
    In a d and m 31 October 2020 09: 34
    11
    Capitalism is a PRIMITIVE system in comparison with Soviet socialism. Capitalism is only about money. Of all the meanings, only one leaves - MONEY at any cost.
    It
    directly reflected in art: the most popular genre of crime films, pulp fiction.
    Therefore, it is not interesting: the topic is always the same, egoists are fighting for money. There is no one to love, the main instinct is grasping.
    And THIS is the unconditional path to a person's DEGRADATION.
    .
    "... I don't give a damn about the bronzes of the multitude,
    I don't give a damn about marble slime!
    We will be considered glory, because we
    Their own people
    И
    Let us be a common monument
    Socialism built in battles! ... "
    VV Mayakovsky
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 09: 43
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: 9PA
    Nostalgia? Nostalgia may be due to what you personally found. I did not find the state of Stalin's time, but I have a wild nostalgia for it


    What are you nostalgic for?
    On denunciations or do you want to work for free for government bonds and live in a dugout?
    1. iouris
      iouris 31 October 2020 10: 59
      +6
      Quote: alex967
      On denunciations or do you want to work for free for government bonds and live in a dugout?

      What oak did you collapse from, sir?
      1. alex967
        alex967 31 October 2020 13: 46
        -9
        True eyes hurts?
        Do you start to glue labels right away? Why is it not a kremlebot, a Ukrainian and further down the list?
        Why in the state of "general welfare" and so many repressive apparatus millions of people were imprisoned, camps, LTP and other "chemistry"?
        Why did he fall like a house of cards with the complete connivance of the KGB and Co.?
        What were the millions of members of the CPSU doing at that time (approximately 1% of the population of the USSR)?
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 31 October 2020 21: 17
          0
          They sit everywhere but we have "louder" than everyone else, turma narodaf blablabla
        2. iouris
          iouris 1 November 2020 11: 43
          -1
          You, sir, preach anti-Soviet, and, therefore, Russophobic ideas. I understand: a class approach.
        3. Sergey Matveev
          Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 38
          +8
          Quote: alex967
          Why in the state of "general welfare" and so many repressive apparatus millions of people were imprisoned, camps, LTP and other "chemistry"?

          Why now, with a smaller population of the country, is about the same number of people in prisons?
          Quote: alex967
          What were the millions of members of the CPSU doing at that time (approximately 1% of the population of the USSR)?

          They worked the same way as the entire population of the USSR.
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 00: 12
      0
      I am pushing the bloody tyrant Stalin to cut prices for food and industrial goods, which he carried out 4 times. Can you recall in beautiful democratic Russia when was the last decline? Aa remembered never
    3. Sergey Matveev
      Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 36
      +9
      Quote: alex967
      On denunciations or you want to work for free

      You claim that you yourself worked for free and wrote denunciations while living in a dugout. Will you be an emigrant?
  • Clone
    Clone 31 October 2020 09: 44
    11
    Anti-Sovietism and Russophobia are "twin brothers". This means that the subject, who easily hauls our Soviet past, will not feel remorse when he is "asked" to smear the current reality with mud, where, "it turns out that life is much more comfortable, satisfying and safer".
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 31 October 2020 09: 54
    10
    = And more than 10% of respondents in Russia do not know at all that the USSR collapsed almost thirty years ago and the Commonwealth of Independent States was formed. In Belarus there are 9% of such, in Ukraine - more than 20%. =
    And what does this mean? A question to the author. Isn't it about the quality of post-Soviet education?
    = At the same time, myths about the warm and prosperous Soviet past are surprisingly easy to fall into the minds of young people. =
    What myths is the author talking about? Why didn't you give a single example of these same myths?
    = As it seems to contemporaries, it was then that the notorious and subjective feeling of stability appeared - the inviolability of the foundations and general order of everyday life. =
    The author, give me not the notorious and objective proof of instability. Why are you ashamed?

    = At the heart of all post-Soviet myth-making lies the delusion about the welfare state (here the author clearly and deliberately distorts) and social solidarity, embodied in the memories of the social guarantees of the Brezhnev era. First of all, we are talking about free medicine, education and housing. =
    Author, medicine, education and housing - mythmaking ?? !!
    It makes no sense to read further. The article is ordered, executed at a primitive level.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 31 October 2020 10: 15
      12
      the Commonwealth of Independent States was formed.
      decipher as follows: Hitler's Hopes Come True, the Commonwealth of Poor States ... laughing
      1. Sergey Matveev
        Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 50
        +9
        Quote: parusnik
        the Commonwealth of Independent States was formed.
        decipher as follows: Hitler's Hopes Come True, the Commonwealth of Poor States ... laughing

        Exactly. The decoding of the CIS has already been forgotten, the hope has come true ... This is from the Gorbachev series - Citizens Rejoiced Early Brezhnev Andropov Chernenko Still Remember.
    2. Hypatius
      Hypatius 31 October 2020 10: 52
      +7
      The article is ordered, executed at a primitive level.
      Like all propaganda, Chubais fosterling E. Fedorov negative
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 09: 58
    -2
    Quote: Ua3qhp
    Quote: Insurgent
    But in fairness, ice cream "Plombir" in a waffle cup cost 20 kopecks, and "Creamy" -15 ...

    This ice cream rose in price in the mid-80s. In the early 80s it cost 19 kopecks.


    I don't remember the prices for ice cream, but since we had it imported, it was sold only in winter. We took them in boxes.
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 10: 02
    -6
    [quote = stalki] [quote] And damn it. They could and could.

    Ps so the author is a big minus for the article. [/ Quote]

    For the most part, they went to the construction sites of the century for a long ruble and not for romance. Possibility to buy a car.
    1. Clone
      Clone 31 October 2020 19: 42
      0
      Yes, the mods will forgive me ... you fools, I will not even explain. The ruble is "long" in 18-20 years ???
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2020 10: 03
    +7
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: Doccor18
    Yes ... the outfit is cool now. But for the majority it is not available. And then what's the point in its quality and beauty. What is the use of a barbell for 70 thousand, if more than one teenager cannot master it

    You, my dear, do not seem to have had, and have nothing to do with, Soviet sports ...
    To be clear, for the defenders (and forwards) of Soviet sports.
    When the Soviet national hockey team came to Canada to host the famous super-series in 1972, the entire hockey world of Canada gasped when they saw what the famous USSR hockey players were wearing for rolling and training. By the standards of the Canadians, it was not a form, but some kind of horror - torn and tattered. The quality of the pads, elbow pads, knee pads, and chest pads was terrible, heavy and poorly holding the puck. The equipment of the Soviet goalkeepers also left much to be desired - it was much heavier than the one in which the drunken hockey players of the Canadian capital played. And for the game everyone was given a new uniform and equipment.
    Injuries in professional sports were off the charts. And hockey players, in terms of the number of injuries received, were in the lead in the lists of chronic injuries.
    For the countries of the social camp, hockey equipment was produced by the Czechs, the company Jofa. Their products were better than those produced in the USSR, but still did not reach the required level of protection for hockey players. Jofa hockey helmets have elicited the grins and smirks of Canadians and Americans.
    It was starting with the USSR-Canada series that our hockey players began to buy gloves and helmets for their hard-earned money, for the prize money. And it is easy to check from photos and videos of those times.
    The situation was not much better for the players.
    And then what to say about the alpine skiing of the USSR times?
    The USSR could allow the development of mass sports at the grassroots level. No more.

    The USSR national ice hockey team is the national hockey team that represented the USSR at international ice hockey competitions. The managing organization of the national team was the USSR Ice Hockey Federation. Officially, within the IIHF, the national team existed from 1952 to 1991 and for 39 years of its existence was the strongest in the world - the national team has 7 victories in 9 ice hockey tournaments of the Winter Olympic Games [1] and 22 world titles during 34 participation in the world championships [2]. The USSR national team is the only national team in the world that has never returned from the World Championships and the Olympic Games without a set of awards.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 31 October 2020 10: 34
    +4
    A paradoxical assessment of the social realities of the Soviet Union has developed in modern society. For the most part, young Russians assess it positively, but they are not ready to return there.

    The author has a strange logic. For example, someone likes the heyday of the XNUMXth century bourgeoisie, but according to the author's logic, those who like those times, for some reason, do not want to return there. But really, why? lol Or, for example, a part of our society likes the "lamp of democracy" of the United States, but for some reason this part of society does not want to get into the times of the formation of this very United States.
    The author considers the Soviet Union as a dead state with no development prospects in his statement? belay Let me remind you what the Soviet people were led to when Marked Judas, under the guise of perestroika, that is, the prospects for change and development of Soviet society, destroyed the entire social camp in the place of the USSR. And isn't that why the whole country sang "Change!" and supported Yeltsin, hoping that he would restore order in the country in response to the result of Gorbachev's treacherous policies? As a result, people came with their own vision of the "development" of the country, and only one fifteenth of the country remained, albeit the largest. The results of this vision, we are now slurping a ladle in the government's strategy of "driving away from paternalism" and dividing society into classes.
    1. alex967
      alex967 31 October 2020 12: 23
      -4
      Maybe on the contrary it is better that the parasites fell off?
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 31 October 2020 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: alex967
        Maybe on the contrary it is better that the parasites fell off?

        It is better? belay So then the Siberian "freeloaders" were not allowed to secede when they even started printing their money? By what criteria do you consider the former republics to be "freeloaders" if the current government has recognized that without foreign "gaster" they will not be able to pull out the economy of the current Russian Federation? Do not tell me why then Putin needed "integration" with Belarus and if not for the Maidan, then with Ukraine?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 31 October 2020 10: 38
    +7
    Statistics are such a thing, you can turn it as you want. Today's VTsIOMs eat from the hands of the Kremlin, draw universal love and worship before the tsar.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2020 10: 43
    +7
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The wife's family in the 80s lived in a communal apartment.
    It was like this for you, for many it was different)).

    Mom's family - this is, respectively, my mother, grandfather, brother and sister (my uncle and aunt, who already had one child) lived in a communal apartment, in the center of Leningrad, on the Griboyedov canal, Drovyanoy lane, 7, next to Alarchin bridge. And since childhood, I remember with warmth this apartment and neighbors. In the 70s, she was resettled, and everything, I repeat, received everything in a separate apartment. True, my parents and I already lived in another city, since my father was a military man. And ask any native Petrograd about life in a communal apartment - he will almost always respond with warmth about it. sad
  • Hypatius
    Hypatius 31 October 2020 10: 47
    +7
    Is it really the author, the very fosterling of Chubais, Evgeny Fedorov? Then, the meanings of such forgeries are clear:
    Accustomed to going to a nearby supermarket for any need, the Zetas simply do not understand the possibility of a total deficit.
    Why understand the organization of the deficit with the constant growth of GNP in the USSR? Grunt about galoshes, and make false conclusions. The removal of the people from government (clause 6 in the Constitution), in fact, the end of the USSR. Since dropped out "C" - Soviet. And the ruling class was organized from the commies, instead of a classless society.
    Ps But then something worse. In the Russian Federation, in addition to political rights, they took away first civil rights, and now they took up natural human rights. And the society of the oppressed and powerless is a priori ineffective and has no future.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 31 October 2020 10: 47
    +1
    The Russians are not ready. Several generations have changed.
  • aries2200
    aries2200 31 October 2020 10: 48
    +6
    there was social justice, which is not the case under capitalism, there were equal opportunities for people .. under capitalism, clannishness ... estates ... people of the 1st grade, people of the second grade and dt .... guaranteed job earnings free medicine and a very high level
  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 31 October 2020 10: 50
    11
    The communal flat was unrealistically small, and the sums were ridiculous for today's bills. For some reason, the most expensive was the apartment telephone, almost half of the total amount.

    The pensioners were definitely better off. They also gave the children a dozen from their pension, it remained ...
    It was necessary to leave the private sector - state restaurants, hairdressers, etc. - nonsense. Hence the horrors of Soviet service, continuous Raikin and discrediting of the regime ...

    Outraged by the nonsense that liberal fakeons scribble (I read it myself) - a hungry childhood under Brezhnev, I could not buy myself a jacket in a store (!?). Why what, but jackets were in bulk ...

    Hungry childhood under Brezhnev - being overweight was a big problem for many, hence the craze for aerobics (rhythmic gymnastics)
    ... Country of fat men, suffering of women ...

    Of course, there was enough crap. Only not the one about which the nonsense scribble, who do not know that life at all ...

    Another problem is that Soviet life was different everywhere. Cities were supplied by category, some of which were abundant. in others, there is a deficit. By the way, in 1986 he lived in Tallinn - he was struck by the abundance and variety of food almost as it is now. A friend called me to Petrozavodsk - there are no queues and everything is there ... Centralized planned supply is the cause of many evils of that time ...

    Concentration camps for homeless and passportless - LTP (medical and labor dispensary), fagots were caught and imprisoned ... Parasites there (if more than 4 months a year did not work anywhere).

    https://www.maximonline.ru/guide/maximir/_article/volnuyuschie-video-sovetskoy-aerobiki/
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 October 2020 11: 12
    11
    The people are stalking not about pies for 5 kopecks and vodka 5, 25 wheat in Murmansk, but about the attitude towards a working person. Housing, education, health care are free. For those who are especially ideological, you can not work at the machine, the most important thing is not to drink and support the party line. For some reason, I did not notice empty refrigerators even with the coupon system. The relationship between people has changed the most. Some began to envy others. Some have the opportunity to earn money, others do not have it from the word at all, there is no production in the city. And the capitalist pays on the basis of where you are from. Earlier, if you are a specialist in your profession, you were appreciated, there was always an opportunity to leave where it was better. With the "Polars" it was more difficult, but still possible. Now such specialists in the profession are appreciated by very few owners, the Stalin principle won: Irreplaceable people No, life just used to be simpler and more sincere, I judge by motorists and not only by them! 99,9% will pass, pass by filming all this on a smartphone. We became callous.
    1. Clone
      Clone 31 October 2020 19: 52
      +3
      Not easier, the main thing is ... CLEANER. Really. Cleaner.
  • Hypatius
    Hypatius 31 October 2020 11: 19
    +3
    There were a lot of shortcomings in the USSR, but in comparison with the current Russian Federation, it is like a gift from God with scrambled eggs. The occupation power in the country has completely deprived citizens of civil and political rights, and now tramples on natural human rights. We can say that the occupation power completes the construction of fascism in the country.
    Ps All terms and definitions used by me are legally verified and academically accurate in terms of dictionaries, and are not an insult. However, just in case, I will add that with respect I belong to all fascists, invaders and personally to Mr. Putin.
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 2 November 2020 09: 38
      0
      Can you ask why, on the basis of what facts and conclusions, did you decide that the government in the Russian Federation is fascist?
      That it is anti-Soviet and, therefore, Russophobic, I know, but fascist - this is loudly said, are you accurate in your formulations?
  • tatra
    tatra 31 October 2020 12: 00
    10
    The people on the territory of the USSR all 100 years after the formation of the USSR is divided into those who are FOR the USSR, and those who are AGAINST the USSR. But to be stupid AGAINST something or someone is irrational, you have to offer your best alternative. And those who are against the USSR did not give, and did not offer the country and the people a better alternative. Both the Russian Empire and the states on the territory of the former USSR are the worst alternative to the USSR. Therefore, for those who are against the USSR, all 30 years after its destruction, the only justification for the destruction of the USSR is malice against everything Soviet, and bragging is how much they got at the expense of other people's labor after the destruction of the USSR.
  • alex967
    alex967 31 October 2020 12: 11
    -5
    Quote: faiver
    there was a taboo on the coverage of problems, nothing burned, did not fall, did not explode
    - no need to hang noodles, they reported in the news about fires and plane crashes, but not everything was reported, but there was no complete taboo


    They communicated what was impossible to hide.
    For example, the Chernobyl tragedy, and then with a delay of several days.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 31 October 2020 12: 18
    -2
    People want to be proud of their country and they want a positive agenda - they look at placards from the Soviet era, what thread they see in films, hear demagogic cranberries from the older generation, who at that time "everything worked as it should + chocolate was sweeter" - and of course an image of a kind of mythical Wonderland is created, in which happiness gushed from the Friendship of Peoples fountain and the state was a kind of caring plush medical man, completely not obsessed with external adventures and socialist dogma.
    The legacy of the USSR surrounds us everywhere - this is not the Ancient Egyptian Civilization, houses, samples of technology, a cultural layer, a fairly thorough historical chronicle, clothes, furniture - all this is quite accessible for consideration even for today's generations, not to mention those who grew up in the 90s.
    Some time spent on contemplation and study of this is enough to understand "why everything happened as it happened." A lot of resources were SPENT on some kind of external nonsense and the arms race - and remained outside the so-called "people's welfare" and living standards - that is, in fact, the 80s of the USSR were a much more hardcore and absurd version of what we are seeing now " + "some kind of nishtyaki" - "the presence of queues and shortages. Objectively, there is no nostalgic nostalgia for anything, it was a natural evolutionary dead end of the country, WHICH WERE GREATER FROM OWN NEEDS, choosing external activity and chasing dogma and verbiage.
    We risk ending also if we continue the line of today.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 31 October 2020 21: 27
      +3
      I don't know if the chocolate was sweeter, but the fact that it was natural and not this shit 100%
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 31 October 2020 12: 20
    +4
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: Doccor18
    What can you explain to me?

    That you are carrying a blizzard ...
    I played both handball and basketball. From 73rd to 79th.
    What was given out - T-shirts and underpants (at times), did not make the weather. But there was a problem with the shoes. We played in sneakers. Purchased at their own expense. There was no sneaker to buy. They were allocated from the fund of the Regional Sports Federation. At a price of 10 rubles. For teens. 15 rubles - for adults. Not everyone could afford it. Quality sucks. Ankle injuries were normal. I quit basketball due to a compression injury to my knee.
    We have footballers of the Higher League of the USSR in sneakers on the field - a normal phenomenon.
    Quote: Doccor18
    These children, 99,99999%, will not attend the sections. And in the Soviet Union only desire was needed to play sports.

    Leave this propaganda of poverty to others. In the USSR, playing sports at the grassroots level was a way to take children off the street, from teenage gangs, which were unmeasured in every district of the city, in every village. Since during the holidays there were three options for "rest" - to wander the streets in search of adventure to their fifths, or attend sports sections under the supervision of a coach (but without any prospects for success), or go to a music school. The same, not free. In music schools, instruments were not given at home. Tuition fee - 2 rubles per month. Plus - the cost of a musical instrument (from harp to guitar) is usually of poor quality.

    This is not a propaganda of poverty, but a life that you either want to see or you are paid to not see ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 31 October 2020 12: 25
    -5
    Nefig everyone to pull into the past must live in the present and think about the future.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 31 October 2020 12: 51
    11
    Quote: carstorm 11
    where did you get the idea that the Soviet would have coped?

    With what China has coped. And the USSR was poorer and more powerful in terms of medicine ..