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How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution

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Alexander Lukashenko appears to have found a way to neutralize the protests in Belarus by pacifying many of the protesters. Now he himself started talking about possible constitutional changes in the country.


There is no doubt that Lukashenka borrowed the idea of ​​constitutional reform from Russia. But now only such an experience can allow the "dad" to reduce the tension in the country caused by public dissatisfaction with the election results. What could be easier? To captivate the people with the idea of ​​changing the constitution, and let everyone go home to study the amendments and prepare to vote for them.

In the amendments, Lukashenka proposes limiting the presidential term in office to two terms, increasing the powers of parliament and increasing the independence of the judiciary, including the possible introduction of a new institution for the republic - the jury. It is clear that the main task of the amendments is to calm down the protesters by creating the illusion of an increase in the level of democracy in the country. Or is it about real democratization?

Of course, it is the leaders of the Belarusian opposition who believe that this is an illusion, noodles from Lukashenka. Therefore, it is not surprising that they did not support the "preparation" of the constitutional reform and continue to demand Lukashenko's resignation. The latter, in turn, expects that if the constitutional reform is carried out quickly, the situation in the country will stabilize. For this, he is ready to create the appearance of the beginning of the process of democratization of power in the country.

But political scientists argue: in the conditions of the existing regime, no constitutional amendments can change its essence. Ultimately, Lukashenka can also leave the presidency, leaving himself some newly introduced post similar to the chairman of the State Council. And in this case it will not matter who is the formal head of the Belarusian state.

For example, the idea of ​​increasing the independence of the Belarusian courts is not really feasible under the conditions of the political regime existing in the country. First, it is necessary that the courts cease to be afraid of the Belarusian political power, and only then they will be able to make independent decisions without fear of retaliatory measures from the executive branch of power represented by law enforcement agencies or special services.

As for the proposed abolition of village councils, this reform cannot in any way affect the Belarusian system of power, since village councils have never used real power. Naturally, if such reforms are put forward in the first place, the opposition to the constitutional amendments will only be negative.

The main idea of ​​the opposition is that in order to ensure a genuine constitutional reform, the first thing to do is to clear the Belarusian political space from Alexander Lukashenko himself, in which the opposition sees a danger even regardless of his tenure as the country's president.

If the reform of the power structure comes "from the top," then nothing prevents Lukashenka from maintaining his dominant position even when moving to another post - speaker of parliament or prime minister. This is the danger of constitutional reform without personal changes in the first echelon of the Belarusian power elite.

But Lukashenka has already shown his readiness to hold on to power and does not want to give it up so easily: he is not Yanukovych, and Minsk is not Kiev either. In Belarus, there is a different political tradition, different relations between the authorities and the security forces, and for Russia the stability in Belarus is more important, even if the rather quarrelsome "dad" remains in power.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 27 October 2020 19: 51
    -2
    But father is more alive than all alive ..........)))
    1. Civil
      Civil 27 October 2020 20: 27
      -13 qualifying.
      If the reform of the power structure comes "from the top", then nothing prevents Lukashenka from retaining his dominant position even when moving to another post - speaker of parliament or prime minister.

      Do not even hope that the dad will have enough bayonets for all these thousands of State Department hirelings. He will hand over the post only to the legally elected (IM - that's) President Kolya Lukashenko, in due time. So sho, do not sweat, no one will allow the people to falsify the election results. And Russia is the guardian of order.
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 October 2020 20: 34
        -3
        .will only be given to legally elected President Kohl

        The word was missed
        "will transfer only to the legally elected President Kolya" smile
        1. Civil
          Civil 27 October 2020 20: 36
          -6
          Quote: Avior
          .will only be given to legally elected President Kohl

          The word was missed
          "will transfer only to the legally elected President Kolya" smile

          Everything - corrected) dad will devour everyone and will not choke, power is more important now than the future of some people there)
          1. anjey
            anjey 28 October 2020 02: 01
            -6
            What kind of democracy and the future of the Belarusian people, ok, this democracy in the West is just an appearance, what the yellow vests in France and the blacks in the USA achieved? and what the opposition wants, the Western standard of living, is the American segment of the economy, which is also not eternal and living parasitically at the expense of the other half of the world and specifically at the expense of Russia, to escape to the enemy's camp to help destroy the economy of the brotherly state ???? it is only the majority of chubaty sharovarnikov can go, they have Mazepa and Bandera in honor, but not syabry-Belarusians. Yes, and Krajina has been turned by the West today just into a Russophobic "slaughterhouse" for the Ukrainian people, this is what you want for the Belarusians ????
          2. anjey
            anjey 28 October 2020 02: 29
            -5
            Yes, by the way, recently on the First TV Channel of Russia, they showed a sample of 14 Russian stew producers, all 100% do not correspond to GOSTs and standards, there is less than half of meat, and they gave an example of Belarusian stew, which most of all corresponds to GOST, so Syabry is not so bad that feeds you with real meat and does not give speculators and grabbers from business, to make money on the health of the people.
            1. Max otto
              Max otto 29 October 2020 13: 29
              -1
              Quote: anjey
              Yes, by the way, recently on the First TV Channel of Russia, they showed a sample of 14 Russian stew producers, all 100% do not correspond to GOSTs and standards, there is less than half of meat, and they gave an example of Belarusian stew, which most of all corresponds to GOST, so Syabry is not so bad that feeds you with real meat and does not give speculators and grabbers from business, to make money on the health of the people.

              Onions do not cook stew. Is your roof completely leaking? People here are a little different. Take a look around, the whole business in Russia is built on the principle - "Carry your neighbor"... As an example, where did you get poisoned with surrogate alcohol? In Krasnoyarsk? Sold it as a bath fluid from AUTOMATS (!!!). After all, someone gave permission to do this, and liquid for baths is an inscription for lawyers so that their own people in this system would not be given a time limit and a fine.
              The situation will begin to change when you will at least greet your neighbors at the entrance in the morning.
              1. anjey
                anjey 29 October 2020 14: 14
                -1
                Luka and the state of Belarus at least control with socialist responsibility, the quality of this stew laughing And new nouveau riches will come, even from the West, even from the East, who are now shaking the state so that they can take all the assets and capital into their own hands, then they will put you on ersatz food, this is inevitable, so thank Luka again.
        2. Trojan_wolf
          Trojan_wolf 27 October 2020 21: 35
          -10 qualifying.
          The present will transmit
      2. eklmn
        eklmn 27 October 2020 20: 38
        -2
        “He will hand over the post only to the legally elected President Kolya Lukashenko, in due time. So sho, don't sweat, no one will let the people falsify the election results. "
        I like your bunch of “Kolya Lukashenko” and “as a result of the elections”! And to Putin then to whom? Adopt someone to start with? Or a son-in-law?
        1. Civil
          Civil 27 October 2020 20: 41
          0
          Quote: eklmn
          “He will hand over the post only to the legally elected President Kolya Lukashenko, in due time. So sho, don't sweat, no one will let the people falsify the election results. "
          I like your “Kolya Lukashenko” and “as a result of the elections”!
          And to Putin then to whom? Adopt someone to start with? Or a son-in-law?

          You will be clearly announced. Do not worry. And all will swallow in silence. Well, you will not be like bulk, belolentochniki sorosets against? What do you want like in Ukraine?
    2. Clear
      Clear 27 October 2020 20: 41
      +4
      for Russia, stability in Belarus is more important, even if the rather quarrelsome "dad" remains in power.
      This is definitely more significant.
      1. anjey
        anjey 28 October 2020 02: 12
        +3
        Drown syabry for integration with Russia, otherwise the West will drown you in the blood of civil war and then push against Russia, I think the Ukrainian sad experience is enough, learn from someone else's and let the fools learn from their own.
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 12
          -3
          What kind of integration? What sabras? You were going to send troops, you supported the dictator, with whom do you want to integrate now? With AHL - so take him to your Kremlin and integrate with him to the core.
          1. anjey
            anjey 28 October 2020 14: 31
            +2
            This is all blah blah empty, also Macron is a dictator for Muslims in France, Trump is for blacks in the United States, Erdogan and that dictator for his opposition, how did you get together to live in such a cruel World with your Shit-naive Cutlet ??? laughingWho are you going to integrate with, with the LGBT people of your rotten West? You are all crooked for them and will be laughing
            1. Gost2012
              Gost2012 29 October 2020 10: 26
              0
              Time will tell what is blah blah and what is history.
              1. anjey
                anjey 29 October 2020 11: 37
                0
                You apparently firmly believe in the power of "western crap" and the green "pass" (bucks) to Paradise, whoever believes is holy and who wants to deceive himself will be deceived laughing .
                1. Gost2012
                  Gost2012 29 October 2020 11: 56
                  +1
                  You were given this west and bucks ... I believe in what I saw with my own eyes - people voted against the mustachioed rat, the mustachioed rat retains power and covered the streets of Minsk with blood. At first, there was no talk about east-west at all. But then - yes, the west. Because they did not promise to introduce punishers, but VVP did. They warmed Tikhanovskaya and others, and put the GDP on the wanted list. If they come from the east, where is it left for us? To the west you are pushing us yourself.
                  1. anjey
                    anjey 29 October 2020 13: 08
                    +1
                    I knew it, demagoguery and horror stories and "I saw everything with my own eyes," how interesting it is that you counted votes on your clear eye all over the country, nonsense and naive nonsense, who is Cutlet-Tikhanovskaya, that you believe sacredly that she the majority in votes, it is naive, even if all your entourage voted for her, this proves nothing at all, only speculation and raising unrest in the country on this unproven invented reason, this is a crime, and even during a global pandemic, a crime in twins, so the work of the law enforcement bodies of Belarus is legal and justified.
                    1. Gost2012
                      Gost2012 29 October 2020 13: 26
                      -1
                      but at least I am in the epicenter, but how do you draw conclusions, what kind of peephole?
                      And again, without knowing the information, not knowing the events, you insult the person for whom many Belarusians have voted.
                      Information about the elections is here:
                      https://dev.by/news/platforma-golos-predstavila-itogovyi-otchyot-o-prezidentskih-vyborah
                      This, as your military says, is objective control data, quite evidential documents.
                      1. anjey
                        anjey 29 October 2020 14: 06
                        +1
                        Well you give, consider everyone Neanderthals, saying
                        not owning information, not knowing events
                        This is the age of online broadcasts and the Internet, so what to talk about with you ????
                        To insult with light nicknames, a person who easily, thoughtlessly and inadequately calls, pushes and provokes people to mass crimes, this is still too soft for him, he deserves more laughing
          2. Clear
            Clear 28 October 2020 21: 18
            +4
            Quote: Gost2012
            With AHL - so take him to your Kremlin and integrate with him to the core.

            Don't worry, let him run a little more, then we'll catch you and take you to the Kremlin yes
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 22: 04
      -16 qualifying.
      Quote: SaLaR
      But father is more alive than all alive ..........)))

      Embalming Institute. Great experience. Please contact. laughing

      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 28 October 2020 00: 21
        10
        Forgot to add this
    4. Russobel
      Russobel 27 October 2020 22: 07
      +4
      But father is more alive than all alive ..........)))

      Then not everyone, but usih. You are our tenacious ...)))
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 27 October 2020 22: 18
        -3
        I do not pretend to be a literary language)))
        1. Russobel
          Russobel 27 October 2020 22: 23
          0
          I do not pretend to be a literary language)))

          good laughing
          Good and positive. +
          1. SaLaR
            SaLaR 27 October 2020 22: 24
            -1
            Mutually...... drinks
  2. Kasta
    Kasta 27 October 2020 19: 51
    +9
    The author, if you don't see Lukashenka, would have written ... otherwise you come from afar ...
    1. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 27 October 2020 20: 16
      +4
      He is afraid that the KGB will grab him .... It's very simple! ))) !!!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 20: 38
      +6
      Quote: Kasta
      The author, if you do not see Lukashenko, would have written ... otherwise you go in from afar.

      Yes, it does not seem that the author has sympathy or antipathy for Lukashenka, he is trying to imagine what can be done in a constitutional way. Well, they will make a reform as the opposition wishes, they will appoint a new president and a new government. And what will change from the rearrangement of the members? Who can explain what will happen next? You can get out of the political crisis, but how to get out of the economic crisis. The whole world is asking this question, but there are no answers yet, and not only in Belarus. This mainly applies to small states with limited resources.
      1. Clear
        Clear 27 October 2020 20: 49
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Kasta
        The author, if you do not see Lukashenko, would have written ... otherwise you go in from afar.

        Yes, it does not seem that the author has sympathy or antipathy for Lukashenka, he is trying to imagine what can be done in a constitutional way. Well, they will make a reform as the opposition wishes, they will appoint a new president and a new government. And what will change from the rearrangement of the members? Who can explain what will happen next? You can get out of the political crisis, but how to get out of the economic crisis. The whole world is asking this question, but there are no answers yet, and not only in Belarus. This mainly applies to small states with limited resources.

        Vlad hi Well, the satellites of the planets do not have their orbits. They all revolve around the planets.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 11
          +2
          Quote: Clear
          They all revolve around the planets.

          Your words are true as never before. The planets have more gravity and they pull satellites into their orbit. And in life as well, large states attract small ones. The law of universal gravitation. And rallies, elections, reforms do not affect this law.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 27 October 2020 23: 07
        +1
        A significant part of the opposition in Belarus looks towards the EU. And there are mainly parliamentary republics and parliamentary constitutional monarchies. A strong President is only in France. Relatively strong in Finland, somewhat weaker Polish. The Portuguese president has some small powers of his own (on paper they are much more, but it is not customary to use them). In all other EU republics, presidents are weak de-re (more often) and de facto (in other cases).
      3. Jager
        Jager 27 October 2020 23: 54
        +4
        I don't even want to comment. Lukashenka will pass one more, but everything else is MUCH worse. And a person "from the neutral" side will never ascend to the presidency, it will be either a henchman and a pawn of the West or from a "family". There can be no other options physically.
  3. BAI
    BAI 27 October 2020 19: 53
    11
    Lukashenka proposes to limit the presidential term in office to two terms,

    Well, this has already passed. New constitution - new term. And he doesn't need more.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 27 October 2020 20: 25
      +8
      Quote: BAI
      New constitution - new term. And he doesn't need any more.

      So I ask myself a question: What did Lukashenka do for the fact that Russia actually pulled him out of the shit, recognizing him as a legitimate president, maybe he supported us in Abkhazia and North Ossetia, supported Russia in Donbass, in Syria, in Crimea, promised to redirect freight traffic from Klaipeda to Ust-Luga, and then wanted to build a Belarusian port there for Russian money, and he first of all achieved the restructuring of the Russian loan, and even got a new loan for $ 1,5 billion. After Naryshkin's visit, Lukashenko called Pompeo, but Lukashenko did not answer the call from Macron and Merkel, and when he called Pompeo, he jumped to the phone. The equilibrist again walked along the tight rope, received money from Russia, left the second American chair under his ass, and retained power, but for how long?
      1. Vlad_S
        Vlad_S 27 October 2020 21: 24
        -2
        So I ask myself a question: What did Lukashenka do for the fact that Russia actually pulled him out of shit, recognizing him as a legitimate president?


        Ideologically close to the Darkest. It's enough. Putin does not like to work with those whom he does not know and who are not represented to him. It has been known for a long time
      2. cmax
        cmax 27 October 2020 21: 28
        +3
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Quote: BAI
        New constitution - new term. And he doesn't need any more.

        So I ask myself a question: What did Lukashenka do for the fact that Russia actually pulled him out of the shit, recognizing him as a legitimate president, maybe he supported us in Abkhazia and North Ossetia, supported Russia in Donbass, in Syria, in Crimea, promised to redirect freight traffic from Klaipeda to Ust-Luga, and then wanted to build a Belarusian port there for Russian money, and he first of all achieved the restructuring of the Russian loan, and even got a new loan for $ 1,5 billion. After Naryshkin's visit, Lukashenko called Pompeo, but Lukashenko did not answer the call from Macron and Merkel, and when he called Pompeo, he jumped to the phone. The equilibrist again walked along the tight rope, received money from Russia, left the second American chair under his ass, and retained power, but for how long?

        You are right, and many who burn for the AHL here will still be surprised at the multi-vector. He is not an ally of Russia. Power, power, power is the main thing. Burst, do not tear. And what's the point of changing the constitution if this is not being implemented. Presidential decree takes precedence. So he rivets them at will.
      3. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 28 October 2020 02: 54
        +1
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        And what did Lukashenka do for the fact that Russia actually pulled him out of shit

        Quote: Anatol Klim
        maybe he supported us in Abkhazia and North Ossetia,

        He intensively traded with Georgia and probably sold them weapons.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        supported Russia in Donbass

        He intensively drove fuel to Ukraine. From Russian oil.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        in Syria,

        He sold weapons to the Arabs, and after that it got to everyone.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        in Crimea,

        Crimea ? What Crimea? I don't know anything, but give me money, give me money.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        promised to redirect freight traffic from Klaipeda to Ust-Luga

        Promised to redirect? He promised, i.e. It is done. And give me more money for that.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        and he first of all achieved the restructuring of the Russian loan, and even knocked out a new loan for $ 1,5 billion

        Russia, a generous soul smile
  4. Kasta
    Kasta 27 October 2020 19: 55
    +6
    You have to work, not jump ... which, by the way, many began to do, you want to eat, but Sveta does not feed them with a cutlet))
    1. ANB
      ANB 27 October 2020 20: 30
      +8
      ... Sveta does not feed them with cutlets)

      Sveta does not know how to fry cutlets. Blabbed out.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 27 October 2020 21: 20
        +1
        Did you believe the Light?
      2. Jager
        Jager 27 October 2020 23: 57
        +4
        If Sveta cannot even fry cutlets, then all that remains is to fry Sveta ...
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 28 October 2020 07: 17
          -1
          No, she is not in the taste of good syabras.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 27 October 2020 21: 19
      12
      Quote: Kasta
      You have to work, not jump ... which, by the way, many began to do, you want to eat, but Sveta does not feed them with a cutlet))

      Sveta feeds them with appeals, promises, slogans. But the zmagars (like the Svidomo in their time) hope to bite off their shmat from the Belarusian pie. A pack of zmagars and their friends, barks with impatience. Tears for a pie.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2020 21: 35
      +1
      Quote: Kasta
      You have to work, not jump ... which, by the way, many began to do, you want to eat, but Sveta does not feed them with a cutlet))

      When the babos from behind the fence run out, then everyone will calm down, except for especially violent clients of psychiatrists.
  5. Mouse
    Mouse 27 October 2020 20: 01
    +7
    It is clear that the main task of the amendments is to calm down the protesters by creating the illusion of an increase in the level of democracy in the country.

    Old Man stands on a slippery slope ...
    Give me a finger, bite off your hand up to the neck ...
    1. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 05
      +5
      No one will not bite him off)) break off)) then they could not, and now even more so)) and the cold will soon come ... and Sveta still does not go to Belarus)))
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 27 October 2020 20: 10
        +4
        Ah ... well, yes ... Santa Claus will come and save everyone again ...
        It seems to me ... compromises are not acceptable ...
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 October 2020 20: 38
          15
          Compromises ruined the USSR, oskatinized the Tribaltic, turned Ukraine and Georgia into enemies, turned Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and Azerbaijan into regions of regularly occurring conflicts, etc. The time has come to expel NGOs from the EU countries and the USA from everywhere, or the situation will only get worse everywhere. Where they are, devastation, riots are raging and the last hope for any future disappears.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 29
            -3
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Compromises ruined the USSR, oskatinized the Tribaltika,

            The Baltic states were released from the USSR even before its collapse. Estonia withdrew on August 20, 1991 by agreement in January of the same year before. top. Council of Russia B. Eltsin and before. top. Council of Estonia Edgra Savisaara. In early September, the USSR approved the disconnection. Yes, it was hard, but there was no "rolling". Not a single person died in Estonia and Belarus, unlike other republics.
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 October 2020 21: 35
              +5
              Do you even understand what you are writing ??? Throughout the entire period of independence, the Baltic states made only claims, put forward demands and sowed enmity.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 59
                -2
                Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Do you even understand what you are writing ??? Throughout the entire period of independence, the Baltic states made only claims, put forward demands and sowed enmity.

                To whom did she spread enmity? And How ? If the so-called politicians are barking about something, then do not think that everyone is only sowing enmity. You yourself have been to Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius at least once. I have lived in Estonia for 53 years, but after the collapse, the relationship was, although not spiteful, and everything went without blood. Now everyone lives in peace without touching politics. The last protest march was 8 years ago, for the reduction of quotas for catching sprat and Baltic herring. When you write, then find out the question thoroughly, what is where and how. And slogans are not tricky to glue. Come to Tallinn, no one will offend you here, and will not call you a "Muscovite". Peter and Moscow go to Christmas markets with pleasure, and there were no offended. (I myself work as a manager at this fair, I know not by hearsay).
                1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 October 2020 22: 13
                  +3
                  You yourself have chosen the fate that you all have there.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 27 October 2020 23: 46
                    -3
                    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    You yourself have chosen the fate that you all have there.

                    After graduation, I received a referral where my Motherland, the Soviet Union, sent me. I have lived in Estonia all my life, and I can not say anything bad about the people of this small country, and I have not a "fate" but life, because my children and grandchildren were born and live there. This state gave me a preferential pension of 46 years, earned under the USSR. And now he gives me a job.
                2. Victorio
                  Victorio 27 October 2020 22: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  The last protest march was 8 years ago

                  ===
                  Well, yes, they forgot about Alyosha, of course.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 27 October 2020 23: 48
                    -5
                    Quote: Victorio
                    Well, yes, they forgot about Alyosha, of course.

                    About what Alyosha, something did not understand?
                    1. Victorio
                      Victorio 28 October 2020 20: 50
                      0
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      Quote: Victorio
                      Well, yes, they forgot about Alyosha, of course.

                      About what Alyosha, something did not understand?

                      ==
                      bronze soldier
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 28 October 2020 21: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Victorio
                        bronze soldier

                        Yes, this is not "Alyosha" but a bronze soldier, it was in 2008. There were many instigators on both sides, but everything went without incident. The youngsters patted each other's faces. The monument was moved to a military cemetery, and everyone calmed down. People on May 9 go to the monument as they did before.
                      2. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 10: 42
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Victorio
                        bronze soldier

                        Yes, this is not "Alyosha" but a bronze soldier, it was in 2008. There were many instigators on both sides, but everything went without incident. The youngsters patted each other's faces. The monument was moved to a military cemetery, and everyone calmed down. People on May 9 go to the monument as they did before.

                        ===
                        / On April 26, the residents of Tallinn, passing by "Alyosha" (as the people called this monument), unexpectedly discovered that the park was fenced, and a line of policemen lined up in front of the fence. This information instantly spread via the Internet, and people began to catch up on Tõnismägi. /
                        no need to la-la
                      3. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 10: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        / On April 26, residents of Tallinn passing by "Alyosha" (as the people called this monument)

                        Nobody called this monument that, but just a bronze soldier. For 53 years I would have known this. Well, youngsters, both Russians and Estonians, pulled up, shouted, cleaned each other's muzzles, the police dispersed. And at that time the eldest son calls me, "Daddy's going to Narva, we're going to a picnic with friends, let the idiots play, otherwise you can get under the distribution", of course I went with them. Razvodilovo wanted to knock people together with their heads, but there were more reasonable people. And everyone knew about the transfer of the monument. Transferred and everything was over, this hype was not worth a damn.
                        Compared to Khabarovsk, this is a kindergarten, not to mention the Navalnoho sorosets.
                      4. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 11: 02
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        For 53 years I would have known this.

                        ===
                        so you don't know well, I was there too, visiting a fellow student. but quickly made his legs, for he was afraid that they would block the borders
                      5. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 11: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Victorio
                        but quickly made his legs, for he was afraid that they would block the borders

                        It happens that fear always has big eyes. When I was in Moscow, at the end of September 1993, it was scary then.
                      6. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 11: 13
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Victorio
                        but quickly made his legs, for he was afraid that they would block the borders

                        It happens, fear always has big eyes... I am when in Moscow was, at the end of September 1993, then it was scary.

                        ===
                        I was closer to Latvia. and my residence permit there, in connection with the general arrests of protesters in Tallinn, could easily be canceled, and my wife and her parents are local
                      7. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 11: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Victorio
                        I was closer to Latvia. and my residence permit there, in connection with the general arrests of protesters in tallinn, could easily be canceled

                        They could, I don't even doubt it. It was from Latvia and those who came through Latvia that there were many Protestants. But as I wrote, I went away to break the fast and my head does not hurt. And in general there is nothing to wander around the streets and wave posters, you can run into the fist of a cop, and it will be for happiness.
                      8. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 11: 34
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        It was from Latvia and those who came through Latvia that there were many Protestants

                        ===
                        nothing more than a rumor.

                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        And in general there is nothing to wander around the streets and wave posters, you can run into the fist of a cop, and it will be for happiness.

                        ===
                        possibly. without this, it rarely does. however, the point is different. you bypass it, your business.
                      9. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 11: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        without this, rarely where it does. however, the point is different. you bypass it, your business.

                        The bottom line is that when we stayed in Estonia we knew what and what would happen to us. But there was no other way out. Now I do not regret doing this.
                      10. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 12: 05
                        0
                        The bottom line is that when we stayed in Estonia we knew what and what would happen to us. But there was no other way out. Now I do not regret doing this.
                        ===
                        - the essence is different, Russians also have rights and rights.
                        - you, directly, a seer. how old were you then?
                        - and I'm sorry, and not only about that. there is such a trait - to doubt / understand / dig
                      11. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 13: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Victorio
                        - the essence is different, Russians also have rights and rights.
                        - you, directly, a seer. how old were you then?

                        You don't need to be a seer. Just come to visit relatives who live in the Smolensk region (there was no way to get to Transbaikalia) and listen to what they think about themselves. In general, I became no one in Russia and no one could call me. But this is a trifle, but when my classmates in Gremikha, Gadzhiev and other places did not receive salaries for 6-8 months, it is worse. But also where, for what money will you go to another place of residence, there is no apartment, there is no work (the sea is not everywhere in Russia), the pension will not be given, etc. well, children and wives. And I was 1991 years old in 20 on August 45 (when the USSR signed the withdrawal of Estonia from the USSR).
                        And in Estonia I had a job, a preferential pension was given for work in the seas under the USSR. That's all providence. Just a clean calculation of all the pros and cons. Now I live in Tallinn, but I have real estate in Russia, and when I need to come, because I do not have any citizenship and I do not need to open a visa.
                      12. Victorio
                        Victorio 29 October 2020 16: 08
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        And I was 1991 years old in 20 on August 45 (when the USSR signed the withdrawal of Estonia from the USSR).

                        ===
                        ) so you are here in the patriarchs, one might say
                      13. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 29 October 2020 16: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        ) so you are here in the patriarchs, one might say

                        Well, something like this.
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 27 October 2020 22: 52
    +3
    Yes ... No politics. Without Russian children learning the Russian language ... "Without clan, without tribe" ... And there are no offended people ... Well ... I don't want to regret such companions ... You are unworthy to be Russian ... You are NON-CITIZENS ... you are nobody!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 23: 50
      -4
      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      Yes ... No politics. Without Russian children learning the Russian language ... "Without clan, without tribe" ... And there are no offended.

      It's a pity you, probably in childhood you were not loved.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 28 October 2020 21: 04
      0
      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      Yes ... No politics. Without Russian children learning the Russian language ... "Without clan, without tribe" ... And there are no offended people ... Well ... I don't want to regret such companions ... You are unworthy to be Russian ... You are NON-CITIZENS ... you are nobody!

      ===
      in terms of defending their rights and interests, yes, here you are right. otherwise, you are not quite in the subject.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 October 2020 22: 03
        0
        Quote: Victorio
        in terms of defending their rights and interests, yes, here you are right. otherwise, you are not quite in the subject.

        Don't pay attention. Everywhere has its own life, and everywhere people think differently and live differently. The main thing is that people live peacefully in this crazy time.
  • Clear
    Clear 27 October 2020 20: 52
    +3
    Quote: Mouse
    It is clear that the main task of the amendments is to calm down the protesters by creating the illusion of an increase in the level of democracy in the country.

    Old Man stands on a slippery slope ...
    Give me a finger, bite off your hand up to the neck ...

    Yes, Vasily hi slippery types take similar paths
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 20: 04
    0
    Goodbye Maz, goodbye Belaz. Hello Polish toilet. You won't wake up with democracy, Sveta is waiting for cutlets, and Lukashenka will continue to lead a strange one.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 27 October 2020 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      Goodbye Maz, goodbye Belaz, hello Polish toilet. Democracy won't wake you full, Cutlets are waiting for the light,

      The Light is not waiting for cutlets, but for ICE - and not from Lukashenka to R, Belarus, but from their Anglo-Saxon masters and other political patrons in the West.
      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 21: 20
        0
        Everything is possible that she is a puppet of the West, it was clear from the first day.
      2. major147
        major147 27 October 2020 23: 26
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        The Light is not waiting for cutlets, but for ICE

        In my opinion, the fate of Saakashvili awaits Sveta - light.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 27 October 2020 23: 38
          -2
          Quote: major147
          In my opinion, the fate of Saakashvili awaits Sveta - light.

          In comparison, the impostor Svetka - the Belarusian "princess Tarakanova" - does not pull at least some authority of Saakashvili. Baba - she is a woman.
          1. major147
            major147 27 October 2020 23: 43
            0
            Quote: Tatiana
            Does not pull

            Therefore, "light" lol
      3. Jager
        Jager 28 October 2020 00: 00
        +2
        The ice ax still needs to be DESERVED.
        And Sveta will have enough funny rubber products, the scale is not the same.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 22: 32
      -5
      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      and Lukashenka will continue to lead strange.

      An interesting Freudian slip of the tongue. Yes, the correct epithet. laughing
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 27 October 2020 20: 07
    +6
    Well, the point is to change the Constitution in Belarus, what will change ?! laughing
    A living example is the changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation this summer ... the most important thing - the Eternal President was dragged behind the "screen" of the amendments ... So I think that Belarusians are not fools))) and will not fall for the "bait"
    1. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 11
      -2
      Who works and supports and feeds families so they are not fools! And there are more and more of them every day) and who is at the rally ... wait for cutlets))))
    2. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 13
      +2
      And for me, Putin is better! By the way, Putin did not do anything bad to me personally) my salary is not paid by the state, but by private business
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 15
        -2
        Quote: Kasta
        And for me, Putin is better!

        And I think Lukashenka did nothing wrong either. But to the west they are worse than a bone in the throat. From here everything comes, well, your minuses too. You are also a bone in the throat of someone, and now I will join you.
      2. Jager
        Jager 28 October 2020 00: 04
        0
        And of course the ruble is not tied to the dollar and the prices in the country and the standard of living do not depend on the dollar. And who is responsible for this level, if not the chief helmsman. Our boyars are always bad, and the tsar is all in white.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 October 2020 23: 18
      -2
      As far as I understand, it is planned to reduce the powers of the President of Belarus in favor of the parliament and the government, plus increase the role of parties, including through the introduction of a partially proportional electoral system. Well, and part of the powers to transfer to regions, cities and districts. Although there is an alternative proposal to abolish the region altogether, their centers, as well as several other cities, should be made cities of republican subordination, and the districts should be enlarged.
      1. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 28 October 2020 02: 58
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        it is supposed to reduce the powers of the President of Belarus

        Haha
        Quote: Sergej1972
        in favor of parliament

        Fully planted A.G. and completely under his control.
        Quote: Sergej1972
        plus increase the role of parties

        Where there will be only ideologically approved parties with ideologically verified A.G. personnel.
        Like Edro, the Communist Party and so on. you.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 29 October 2020 09: 09
        +1
        My comment was made on the basis of an analysis of materials from the Internet and Belarusian media. I am not evaluating these proposed changes. What's the habit of minus factual information?
    4. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 28 October 2020 02: 55
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Well, the point is to change the Constitution in Belarus, what will change ?!

      Why change the constitution ... if even this one is not respected.
    5. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 28 October 2020 05: 19
      -3
      Well, the point is to change the Constitution in Belarus, what will change then?

      Why change the constitution ... if even this one is not respected.

      The meaning as well as the causal relationship is. I wrote about this in detail in my article https://topwar.ru/174347-obschenacionalnyj-dialog-kak-edinstvennyj-sposob-ne-dopustit-radikalizacii-belorusskogo-protesta.html
      True, then she did not receive a special hail, but here, in fact, 2 paragraphs of my thoughts 2 months ago and such a stir)))
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  • cniza
    cniza 27 October 2020 20: 15
    +8
    Now he himself started talking about possible constitutional changes in the country.


    He drove himself into an insurmountable situation and there is no way out yet ...
    1. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 19
      -2
      I look ... you completely drove him into a corner))) isn't it funny yourself? The situation is already changing and every day in favor of Lukashenka! (Strong and formidable ... sitting abroad))))
      1. cniza
        cniza 27 October 2020 20: 41
        +4
        And what is its use? He lost the sense of timeliness of actions and this is bad. I would very much like everything to end peacefully and personally, I don't care who will be in power, the main thing is that it would be statesmen, and not regular horses, to which the West is trying to persuade and destroy another country ...
        1. major147
          major147 27 October 2020 23: 29
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          the main thing is that they should be statesmen, and not just regular horses, to which the West is trying to persuade and destroy another country ...

          This is not why the West starts these "flower beds".
        2. Jager
          Jager 28 October 2020 00: 06
          0
          There are either horses or Lukashenka. The system is set up like that.
    2. Clear
      Clear 27 October 2020 20: 55
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      Now he himself started talking about possible constitutional changes in the country.


      He drove himself into an insurmountable situation and there is no way out yet ...

      Looking for a multi-vector exit, it's like a black cat in a dark room
      hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 27 October 2020 21: 00
        +4
        hi
        Here, as in a joke - he stands still, and makes sounds as if he was moving ...
        1. Clear
          Clear 27 October 2020 21: 02
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          hi
          Here, as in a joke - he stands still, and makes sounds as if he was moving ...

          And some kind of noise, creaky and shuffling ... not otherwise, village councils interfere winked
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 17
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      He drove himself into an insurmountable situation and there is no way out yet.

      I do not argue drove. But I don't know what he needed to do to avoid getting into a corner. Can someone explain what?
      1. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 28 October 2020 03: 01
        -3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But I don't know what he needed to do to avoid getting into a corner. Can someone explain what?

        To hold the elections honestly and if he loses, leave. He was not capable of either the first or the second.
        In an extreme case, he could not go to the elections, but leave his beloved official from the security forces as a "favorite receiver."
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 13
          +1
          Quote: TerribleGMO
          To hold the elections honestly and if he loses, leave. He was not capable of either the first or the second.

          Well, I'll ask again. They passed an honest choice and elected not Lukashenko, but someone else. And what will happen next? What will you live like in Luxembourg, or like Guinea Canakri? Everyone yells about "honest choice", but nobody talks about life after the elections.
      2. Gost2012
        Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 20
        0
        Not to falsify elections and not to violate the law, that's all business.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 October 2020 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: Gost2012
          Not to falsify elections and not to violate the law, that's all business.

          And again, I don’t understand, fair elections will be held, the president will be re-elected, but then what? Will you live like in Europe?
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 28 October 2020 18: 44
            0
            What's good about gayrope? One gomosyatina and liberda tolerant. Is this what they strive for?
    4. Jager
      Jager 28 October 2020 00: 14
      +1
      When Hayat Lukashenko is for "multi-vector" and for his policy, they forget what Belarus is.
      There are relatively few resources, the population too, the industry has always been weaker than in the same Ukraine. The country is located between two blocks. Moreover, Lukashenko ruled the country at a time when no one knew about any Putin yet, and Boris Yeltsin was drinking and sawing with the lads the Soviet backlog. Relying only on Russia is also a risk, GDP is also not eternal.
      We have absolutely the same situation as in Belarus. Everything is closed to one person and his structures.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 October 2020 20: 18
    +2
    Onions always knew how to speak beautifully! Here he is special, but to think over the situation, so that the republic does not protest - goes on strike, so that no sanctions are introduced - then his ability to speak let him down! I would tell the people that not 83 but 63 percent "voted" for him, would not get what he now has in his address. ..
    1. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 28
      +6
      Yes, at least 51% would still bring the crowd out ... or do you really think that the people took everything and organized (they brought themselves out, organized everything)))
    2. Clear
      Clear 27 October 2020 21: 05
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Onions always knew how to speak beautifully! Here he is special, but to think over the situation, so that the republic does not protest - goes on strike, so that no sanctions are introduced - then his ability to speak let him down! I would tell the people that not 83 but 63 percent "voted" for him, would not get what he now has in his address. ..

      I also think that he really won. Why this trick with such percentages? request
      1. Gost2012
        Gost2012 29 October 2020 10: 37
        -1
        "I think he really won ..." is not an argument for either side. For me personally, there is no question - who won, I also "think and am sure", although in a different way.
        But there are numerous facts of serious violations in the elections, they are documented, the evidence is provided to everyone who wanted to look at them.
        We cannot say that Tikhanovskaya won, just as we cannot accept that the AHL won. All you need to do is to hold honest transparent elections and comply with the law. And then no one will have to guess whether AHL had 51% or not. And that's exactly what people want.
        https://dev.by/news/platforma-golos-predstavila-itogovyi-otchyot-o-prezidentskih-vyborah
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 20
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      I would tell the people that not 83 but 63 percent "voted" for him, would not get what he now has in his address. ..

      I think those who paid for the opposition figured it out too. Just like that, a pimple below the waist will not pop out.
    4. beeper
      beeper 27 October 2020 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Onions always knew how to speak beautifully! Here he is special, but to think over the situation, so that the republic does not protest - goes on strike, so that no sanctions are introduced - then his ability to speak let him down! I would tell the people that not 83 but 63 percent "voted" for him, would not get what he now has in his address. ..

      hi I completely agree with you, in many ways it was the vain "percent mania" that brought the "father" to the monastery! request
      The crafty overseas sponsors of the "zmagars" and "neolitvin", for 26 years thoroughly "studying" the disposition and habits of the "multi-vector" Lukashenko, as well as "calculating" the petty habits of his "flexing" Western camarilla, just such a "stand", flattering caressing for "batskin's" pride (inadequately superhigh, clearly beyond the common sense), "percentage of support" and waited! At the same time, deliberately in every possible way "treating" their "target audience of aborigines" - a potential Maidan "lohtorat" and provoking in advance (latently directing in the right direction) the arrogant and passionate "bronzed" AGL with insulting absurd nicknames "Sasha 3%"!
      I am absolutely sure that for the candidacy of A.G. More than 50% of the Belarusian voters who came to the polling stations cast their votes for Lukashenka, he convincingly won in the first round - this is without a doubt!
      But I think that Aleksandr Grigorievich is petty, under the guise of primitive flattery, was "framed" by officials from his inner circle, whom Lukashenko (who has recently clearly lost the support of Moscow, anti-Russian "multi-vector", Russophobic flirting with "zmagars" and "neolitvin", warmly embracing the banderlog and absurdly for the "parasitic" loyal Belarusian population against the background of growing unemployment!) prevents them from taking advantage of their situational high position in power and suddenly becoming, due to the "privatization" of state property subject to them, the same megacleptoligarchs as they have become such " fed the authorities "their colleagues in other post-Soviet republics ?!
      "Having handed over the ataman", the Belarusian western "elite" will have a chance (and, most likely, already promised to them by the insidious "common people" ?!) warranty"?! wassat
      That's what, at first, some directors of large state-owned enterprises sprang up, surreptitiously encouraging the strikers and destructive maidaners - "overthrowing the annoying regime", and only after making sure that the imminent overthrow of the "father" did not take place, they tempered their pseudo "revolutionary" mercantile ardor, after all if the hot-headed and “quick to punish” the current president dismisses such a director and appoints another in his place, then the dismissed “papednik” will lose a unique chance to “grab” the state property entrusted to him in management ?! winked
      So, while the question is being decided whether Belarus should be in an alliance with Russia or become a razmaydanny anti-Russian-anti-Russian impoverished colony of Washington and "Common Europe" like "Ukraine" for Lukashenko, now pressed against the fence! yes And then you need to watch how he will behave, whether he will tie himself up with tyranny and "neolitvinist" Russophobia ?!
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 22: 48
        +1
        You have aptly said about the detectors of enterprises that rolled out your lip on the wave of future privatization.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 28 October 2020 18: 51
          0
          So if it is united with Russia, this is exactly what will happen. Instantly grabbed everyone and the batskin directors and our backbones. I don’t understand at all, what is the basis of non-socialism there?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 October 2020 20: 27
    +6
    To captivate the people with the idea of ​​changing the constitution, and let everyone go home to study the amendments and prepare to vote for them.

    People can be captivated by everyone, we have already seen this throughout the post-Soviet space since 1991. You can write and accept the most perfect constitution in the world, and so on. This can be done not only in Belarus, but also in Africa, but whatever you do Belarus will remain as it was and Africa will also be Africa. Was the whole world just bitten by a sleepy fly "tsetse" and the world went blind. Why did people stop seeing and understanding the obvious. Is it not clear that "No one will give us deliverance," and immediately the cry "We ourselves will take power." They took it, gave it to Sveta, or maybe Misha, but you won't live better, and no one can solve economic problems, none... So you won't live better. Now no one captures the territory, but the strongest transnational syndicates simply seize the entire economy of the country, and make banana, rapeseed, palm republics, and pump out natural resources in the name of the "golden billion" in which no one will get. There are many examples, South America, Africa live without occupation, but under the law of syndicates. And they live only for a bowl of soup and a handful of rice. People wake up, and remember nobody needs you, and your processions and rallies are just an empty ringing in the world bell tower.
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 October 2020 20: 41
      -3
      ... you will not live better, and no one can solve economic problems, no one.

      Aaaaaa! We all die! smile
      I remember there was such a story in my childhood about two frogs and butter ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 20: 54
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        Aaaaaa! We all die!

        Come on, you won't die, but you will work for a bowl of soup and pasta in the Navy. Capitalism will not let you die; it needs gratuitous working hands.
        1. Avior
          Avior 28 October 2020 18: 46
          +1
          Under socialism, they often worked like that, they also did not let me die in some cases.
          The recipe for classic naval pasta appeared in its current form for the first time in 1955 in the USSR. I suspect Soviet cooks came up with the idea to make the meat easier to spit. smile
          With bourgeois, there is also such, they call carbonara or bolognese.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 October 2020 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            The recipe for classic naval pasta appeared in its current form for the first time in 1955 in the USSR. I suspect Soviet cooks came up with the idea to make the meat easier to spit.

            Well, this is certainly a classic, but in general this dish appeared before it was introduced into cooking. It was in the fleet that they introduced it, but as far as the coast, it came later. The old Moremans who walked the seas-oceans knew this even in the pre-war years.
            In those days, the steam floats were much less than now, mainly by 2000-3000 tons of displacement, and the machine by 1200 forces, and many are less in total, especially fishermen. The turbulence in the North was notable, there were no electric stoves (mainly on solarium). So I had to invent easy-to-cook dishes, like "naval". There were these dishes with finely chopped meat, or dishes with minced meat, you can fresh, and if you put out minced meat, then it was stored for several days. It's simple - pasta fried in any oil or pork fat with cracklings, minced meat, sautéed onion (if any), homemade tomato sauce from pasta with garlic (if any). Quickly, simply, does not fall out of the bowl (in the left hand the bowl is luminous, in the right there is a spoon). Lunch or dinner is ready, people are happy. The cooks in the sea have nowhere to steal, and the boiler ration was always good. Since the age of 17, I constantly love this dish, and I make it myself.
            Well, on the shore, they made pasta and meat "sly", and everything else according to your recipe (the head of the table, the warehouse manager, the commodity expert, the cook, and even the galley-scrubber also wanted to feed their families for free). Try it, but don't spare meat.
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    2. Essex62
      Essex62 27 October 2020 20: 44
      0
      So, but not so. The Russian nation is not like black-backed Africa, and not even like the decomposed pink-blue Geyropa. People are thinking about the fate of the Motherland and their place in life. And you are a soup. Take a look at the size of the territory. And we have never been more than 100-120 million, including "non-brothers", but we have been holding them for almost a thousand years.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: Essex62
        The Russian nation is not like black-backed Africa, and not even like the decomposed pink-blue Geyropa.

        The article is not about Russia, and my comment is not about Russia. And the answer is not about the people inhabiting Africa and blue Europe, but about the fact that they will not be allowed to live as they want, but how they are forced to live according to the rules of globalists, without the occupation of territories.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 28 October 2020 07: 31
          0
          So I am about it. Syabry do not agree with globalism, because they are Russians.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 19
            +1
            Quote: Essex62
            So I am about it. Syabry do not agree with globalism, because they are Russians.

            So there are only Russians left who do not want to live by the rules of blue Europe, they do not want this globalization. And they put pressure on us from all sides, and here diplomacy cannot be dispensed with. And Belarus must be supported by any means and efforts, otherwise the ghouls will devour.
      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 21: 18
        +2
        Quote: Essex62
        And we were never more than 100-120 million, including "non-brothers"


        Perhaps it will be a surprise for you, but now there are more than 140 million inhabitants in Russia. And the last time, when "held", it was 176 million together with "non-brothers".
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 27 October 2020 22: 59
          -2
          And how many Russians out of 140 million do not tell?
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 23: 42
            +1
            80%. But the post I replied to explicitly stated "including non-brothers".
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 October 2020 23: 24
          0
          Before the collapse of the USSR, about 280 million lived in it, of which 148 million lived in the RSFSR.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 23: 43
            -2
            AND? The last time it was "held" during the Great Patriotic War, and before it began, there were 176 million inhabitants in the USSR.
        3. Essex62
          Essex62 28 October 2020 07: 28
          -1
          Can you read? I am writing about Russians, not Russians. It was in the USSR that all the nationalities laid down their bones for the country.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 28 October 2020 09: 51
            0
            Quote: Essex62
            I am writing about Russians, not Russians. It was in the USSR that all the nationalities laid down their bones for the country.


            You generally write some strange things - "syabry" (who is this?) Is Russian. By the way, after the USSR, the Russians still, thank God, did not have to "lay down the bones for the country."
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 28 October 2020 18: 24
              0
              And, in my opinion, you write strange things. Ryazan, Smolensk, Tambov, Chelyabinsk, Krasnoyarsk guys died and continue to die in endless wars on the outskirts of the Empire, after betrayal and its collapse. It is the Russians, in the vast majority, who serve in the RF Armed Forces. And they stop the breakthroughs of spirits, laying down like bones for the Motherland. In your opinion, who in Chechnya or Syria does not lay down their lives for their Motherland? For what then, for the loot?
              Belarusians are the same Rus, like most of the inhabitants to the borders of the westernization.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 28 October 2020 18: 27
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                It is the Russians, in the vast majority, who serve in the RF Armed Forces. And they stop the breakthroughs of spirits, laying down like bones for the Motherland.


                Are they lying for the Motherland where - in Syria? Or somewhere else?
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 28 October 2020 20: 49
                  0
                  And in Syria the same. The military oath is given to the Motherland.
    3. Clear
      Clear 27 October 2020 20: 58
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      South America, Africa live without occupation, but under the law of syndicates.

      Ah, this is the seizure of countries.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 27 October 2020 20: 35
    -2
    How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution


    No way.
    It's too late
    1. Kasta
      Kasta 27 October 2020 20: 37
      -1
      And what's late? What will happen? Father will be evicted?)))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 04
        0
        Quote: Kasta
        And what's late? What will happen? Father will be evicted?

        Well, he will be evicted, or he will leave. They will dance on the former Peace Square in Minsk, but you need to live and work, manna from the sky and the jelly banks is not expected, now you have to pay for everything.
      2. Gost2012
        Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 32
        0
        If he has time - move out to you.
    2. Clear
      Clear 27 October 2020 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: Olezhek
      How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution


      No way.
      It's too late

      Then, will pacify early in the morning.
    3. major147
      major147 27 October 2020 23: 35
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution


      No way.
      It's too late

      An emergency with all the consequences.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 20: 40
    +1
    If the reform of the power structure comes "from the top," then nothing prevents Lukashenka from maintaining his dominant position even when moving to another post - speaker of parliament or prime minister.


    Speaker - an elective office, the prime minister is appointed by the elected president or elected parliament. If the author thinks that Lukashenka will be chosen somewhere, he lives in his own world.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 27 October 2020 20: 45
    +1
    Maybe he can't, what a pitch?

    In any case, the movement fizzles out, just the terpily will transfer the fight against cheaters to other planes, and they will treat Russia worse and better the West ...

    Remember, there were famous Belarusian builders, along with Turkish? And now they are gone ...
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 20: 47
    -3
    Granny will hit you for rubber bullets

    grandmas are cool. Everywhere and regardless of political orientation laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 06
      +2
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      grandmas are cool. Everywhere and regardless of political orientation

      Hanging around the streets with nothing to do. Pensioners.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 21: 21
        -3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Hanging around the streets with nothing to do. Pensioners.

        well yes. But, to be honest, the hand does not rise to condemn them for the fact that they hang out for or against for a small penny. It's just caricature ... Sadness.
        Remember - Stirlitz is the most ... etc.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 31
          0
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          But, to be honest, the hand does not rise to condemn them for the fact that they hang out for or against for a small penny.

          That's right, they want to eat.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 21: 37
            -3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            That's right, they want to eat.

            yes, but, I'm afraid, for the statement of this quite obvious fact, you and me will be slapped minus by the same premature citizen) Or he did not have a grandmother in childhood. Or...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 October 2020 23: 36
              -1
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              yes, but, I'm afraid, for the statement of this quite obvious fact, you and me will get a minus from the same premature citizen

              Slap, I love these guys, they are predictable like the weather in November.
          2. major147
            major147 27 October 2020 23: 42
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            That's right, they want to eat.

            Last year, my sister, a pensioner from Kiev, came and said: "The election of their president has passed. My sister calls her friend and asks who she voted for? She says that for Poroshenko. Sister asks:" How is that? You scolded him so and suddenly voted for him. A friend replies to her that Poroshenko already lost, for that she was given N-hryvnia for her vote ...
  • Alien From
    Alien From 27 October 2020 20: 47
    0
    Rygorich is like a tick, he just won't detach himself from power. Tikhanovskaya is generally insanity. The Belarusians have not raised a new leader yet.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 21: 12
      -3
      New leaders were rolled into asphalt. As in Russia, by the way.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 08
        +3
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        New leaders were rolled into asphalt. As in Russia, by the way.

        Do not remind which "leaders" in the Russian Federation have been rolled into asphalt, maybe what have you missed in the last 30 years?
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 22: 14
          0
          "Rolling into asphalt" is performed in different ways - someone is killed (Nemtsov), someone is bought (Kiriyenko), new ones are simply not allowed to grow due to media control and elections, and those who still try to grow up are cut off oxygen ( Grudinin, Platoshkin). Or remind me of the political leaders who have grown up in Russia over the past 20 years.
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 28 October 2020 18: 41
          -1
          In the asphalt, not in the asphalt, but many of their relatives, after the shooting of the White House and the shooting of unarmed people by the Vovan special forces at the Ostankino television center, were never found. What do you think, when from the tanks on the windows of the building, where the mass of people, many of whom did not even serve in the army, did not expect at all what we have, like in some kind of banana republic? Not to mention the unknown belonging of snipers. The counter-revolution pressed our Soviet power harshly. Who said that civil war was avoided?
          This is about the last 30 years.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 October 2020 20: 04
            -2
            Quote: Essex62
            many of whom did not even serve in the army, did not expect at all what we have, like in some banana republic?

            Exactly expected, there were no random ones, especially those who rammed the foyer of Ostankino ZiLom ...
            And no one shot them with tanks, tk. the "vovans" did not have them from the armored personnel carrier;
            Or maybe those who jumped on the back of the police officer on duty in the Moscow mayor's office had love for the country, no, it wasn't ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 28 October 2020 20: 21
              -1
              Tell someone else. When the counter from the tanks began to thresh, around me women and deputies, who squealed more loudly and yelled good obscenities. Horrified. Did not have. You talk to the top of your heads. They shot at people, to kill. And in Ostankino, too, according to the stories of people in whom I completely trust.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 21: 41
      +4
      Quote: Alien From
      The Belarusians have not raised a new leader yet.

      But Sveta came from somewhere, and no one raised her, and I think she was not badly looked after two children, so she had no time to study or to be brought up. But suddenly, literally at one moment, she appeared, and be that as it may, but she has the support of some part of the population. And the same young Lukashenko, unknown to anyone, became president in 1994. And Vladimi Vladimych, too, did not appear from where. And in the west, at least the same Macron jumped out of nowhere.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 27 October 2020 21: 58
        0
        Snuffbox devils
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 22: 15
      -3
      ... The Belarusians have not raised a new leader yet.

      Great Russia has brought up a leader for Belarus! laughing
      Don't you read the branch between the lines ??
      )))
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 27 October 2020 22: 19
        0
        I read) but only the Union raised him hi
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 22: 23
          -1
          ... yes, only the Union raised him

          Fair remark)
  • Aleksandr56478
    Aleksandr56478 27 October 2020 20: 54
    +6
    all this talk about changing the constitution in Belarus comes only from Lukashenka himself and those close to him. Obviously, in this way Lukashenka is trying to correct the mistakes of August 2020 and shift the perspective to the abstract, but there are big doubts that something will radically change in matters of changing the political crisis, since there are no protesters / striking demands for a change in the constitution, they are of a completely different nature. In fact, no one can really predict what will happen to Lukashenka next because everyone was wrong: the protest was not blown away and is not really blown away, Lukashenka resisted and is not going to leave ... a stalemate from the series "the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want."
  • notingem
    notingem 27 October 2020 21: 06
    -4
    Actually, the "Svetka Cutlet" tavern sounds. Baba if smart does not disappear
  • Operator
    Operator 27 October 2020 21: 07
    -1
    If the reform of the power structure comes "from the top," then nothing prevents Lukashenka from maintaining his dominant position even when moving to another post - speaker of parliament or prime minister. This is the danger of constitutional reform without personal changes in the first echelon of the Belarusian power elite. - danger for whom, for the author?
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 27 October 2020 21: 40
    0
    Constitutional reform is nonsense. The power has been wiped out by the constitution for three months. And it will be accepted by the same people who conducted the "elections". Nobody believes the authorities anymore.
    And further. In Belarusian, "but father" is a father. A man's father is always ONE. The one who gave birth to you and raised you.
    How one should disrespect YOUR father, calling a stranger - a deceitful, vengeful, cynical sadist - "dad".
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 05
      +2
      Quote: pro100y.belarus
      A man's father is always ONE. The one who gave birth to you and raised you.
      How one should disrespect YOUR father, calling a stranger - a deceitful, vengeful, cynical sadist - "dad".

      Those. 1/4 century later you realized that your father is not your own, well, nothing will be found for you, a Jewish president will be found for you, but in Ukraine, for the second time in a row, your "native" father is in power ... by the way, he worries about you, worries ...
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  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 27 October 2020 21: 45
    0
    Are there protests there? TRUE? laughing And that's how I look. a couple of paid drischas are worn, and they themselves yell that everyone in Belarus does not care about them
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 02
      -4
      Quote: Cowbra
      Are there protests there? TRUE? laughing And that's how I look. a couple of paid drischas are worn, and they themselves yell that everyone in Belarus does not care about them

      Do not break away from the collective, you are told that all the people are holding a meeting against the tyrant, which means the whole people ...
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 27 October 2020 23: 17
        -3
        Yes, I already noticed))) NATIONAL:
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 37
          0
          At the moment they have already been fired. Yesterday.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 28 October 2020 13: 41
            0
            Is the industry of Belarus depressed from this? winked Or is it the fact that the percentage of downs in any team is non-zero? And this percentage is 6/27000 = 0,02% laughing A healthy nation, however!
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 27 October 2020 21: 58
    -2
    How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution

    To change the Constitution, you must first pacify the protesters ... otherwise, all amendments to the Constitution will take into account the opinion of only the protesters, and not the entire people ...
    1. cmax
      cmax 27 October 2020 22: 10
      +5
      Quote: Lara Croft
      How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution

      To change the Constitution, you must first pacify the protesters ... otherwise, all amendments to the Constitution will take into account the opinion of only the protesters, and not the entire people ...

      What has Lukashenka done to you and Russia personally? That, acknowledged Crimea, Ossetia. I was not rude to the leadership of Russia. He didn’t carry the sanctioned vehicle through Belarus with re-sticking the tags, didn’t ban the St. George ribbons, didn’t disperse all the structures supporting Russia in Belarus and supported it in other necessary moments. The answer is nothing. He milks you and will milk you, think that he will pay for the nuclear power plant, figs you, soon you will hear about friendship, trenches, etc., etc. Russia will definitely never see this money, you will also remain debtors and bad people. I can argue. Is it really impossible to find a pro-Russian politician and support him.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 22: 25
        +2
        Quote: cmax
        Is it really impossible to find a pro-Russian politician and support him.


        Support where - in the elections? So there are no elections.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 28
        -4
        Quote: cmax
        That, acknowledged Crimea, Ossetia.

        I don't give a damn about the RSO, but what Crimea did not recognize as part of the Russian Federation, it means that I also have the moral right not to recognize any part of the Republic of Belarus as part of the Republic of Belarus, and even more so to protect it ...
        I was not rude to the leadership of Russia.

        It’s guilty, it means that I put myself like this, Pashinyan was also rude and part of Armenian society, too, where they are now, right ...
        He milks you, think that he will pay for the nuclear power plant, figs you, soon you will hear about friendship, etc., etc. Russia will never see this money,

        Probably...
        You will remain debtors and bad people.

        This is unlikely, the Republic of Belarus to the Russian Federation has both state and corporate debts to the Russian Federation and its business ... this government will not pay the other one back, the main thing is to secure these debts in international arbitration, and then sell them to the same Poland. ...
        ... the main thing is that the Russians do not believe that they are bad, otherwise they might even have a bad story ...
        I can argue.

        Passports are better for the time being with Georgians, Ukrainians and Armenians ... they also considered Russians to be bad, having received the right to life from the Republic of Ingushetia at one time, this is an axiom, for peoples who scold Russia ... they scolded and the territory of these countries decreased, for all three are irrevocable, every nation that Russia saved in gratitude to her spits on her, returns back to their masters, who beat and humiliated them, everything, as with an ungrateful dog that was found in the garbage and which in gratitude began to bite ...
        I advise Bulgakov to read "Heart of a Dog" ....
        1. cmax
          cmax 27 October 2020 23: 19
          +6
          I have lived in Russia most of my life, perhaps I am a bigger Russian here than you, and there is no need to teach me the examples of any Ukraine, Armenia. And I read Bulgakov. I just see here in power a deceitful person who falsified elections, imprisoned all the main rivals. And you judge by articles of different media. Do you really think that all stupid people here come out to protest in spite of themselves, want to live worse than they did. There comes a moment in life when people understand that with such a vile lie, the ubiquitous state lie simply cannot be reconciled anymore. So they go out into the street. They give heavy fines, jail, beat, fire, but they go anyway. Personally, I have never walked, but I respect them, that they are people, and not as the second-hand reseller called "NARODETS". I understand that I am writing this in vain,
          all the same, the majority, like you in Russia, will not understand this. You have the concept of only friend or foe. But this person is definitely not his own.
          1. major147
            major147 27 October 2020 23: 56
            0
            Quote: cmax
            I just see a completely deceitful person in power here, who falsified the elections, imprisoned all the main rivals.

            Who says he is "white and fluffy"? Just under the pretext of "Bat'ku-gett" of Belarus, the West is preparing such that the dad will seem like an angel in the flesh, or do you think that the West decided to do good to Belarus for no reason? Already here in Russia we have experienced the "embrace" of the West ... We barely fought back!
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 October 2020 07: 42
            -3
            cmax (VAL)So they go out into the street. They give heavy fines, jail, beat, fire, but they go anyway. Personally, I have never walked,

            So I would immediately say, why grimace? And THEN:
            I'm more Russian here than you


            go out to protests in spite of themselves, want to live worsethan they lived.

            That's exactly what I think, well, it's okay for the sufferers to wait for this moment ...
            If an anti-Russian counter comes to power in the Republic of Belarus, then all these clever people can forget about the Russian market ...
            And finally, the issue of the stillborn "Union State" will be resolved ...
            You look the Russian Federation will save on loans (gratuitous, interest-free, irrevocable) ...
            Most of the citizens of the Russian Federation are not interested in the events in Belarus, everyone has already got used to it for a long time that the Russian Federation can only rely on itself ... we are not rich enough to consider traitors as friends ...
      3. major147
        major147 27 October 2020 23: 49
        +3
        Quote: cmax
        find a pro-Russian politician and support him.

        Let's!
        1. cmax
          cmax 28 October 2020 00: 17
          +5
          There was a banker, you will not believe ... For 20 years he headed Gazprom Bank, there were no questions. Became a candidate-sitting now. In democracy!
          1. major147
            major147 28 October 2020 07: 51
            0
            Quote: cmax
            There was a banker

            And who said he was "pro-Russian"?
            1. Gost2012
              Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 40
              +1
              probably the most pro-Russian possible. now this will not happen.
  • cmax
    cmax 27 October 2020 22: 00
    0
    One person wrote

    Kind people who do not have the moral strength to understand "how this can happen" are sometimes inclined to explain the brutal actions of the balaclavs by the fact that they "do not know something." They say that they were disconnected from truthful information and they have no idea what is happening in the country, writes political analyst Vitaly Tsygankov.

    They all know.

    They are convinced every day that the overwhelming majority of Belarusians are against the government and, accordingly, against them, who defend this government in a bloody way. IT workers are against, doctors are against, students, retirees, workers. When they line up in front of the procession, they see tens of thousands of protesters. When they sit in paddy wagons at the checkpoints of factories, they see that the workers are against the government. In every courtyard where they run to grab people, they are massively swearing from the balconies. They see that everyone around them hates the authorities and them. You don't even need to read independent websites or telegram channels for this.
    And yet they do theirs.
    You know, there are people who are ideologically convinced that dictatorship is better than democracy. Not because they do not know something about democracy or because they "have not been told the whole truth." It's just that the dictatorship suits them better to their mental, psychological state, or simply because they live well with it. There are people who believe that rights and even human life can be sacrificed for the sake of the interests of the state. And so they think not because they did not read the right books in childhood. But because the abstract person is far from them, and the state is close, gives a salary.

    A riot policeman who asks the detainee "how much did you get paid?" - wants to believe in this, since it gives justification and meaning to his actions. It is clear that over these months he realized long ago that no one pays anyone, but he will not admit this reality, since then the entire “high”, “patriotic” meaning of his actions is lost. And he already guesses that he is against everything. people, but he still does not know how to accept this reality and what to do with it.

    By the way, the same is with Lukashenka. Who, in the opinion of some naive people, does not know something there, since he is not given complete information. Listen, since last autumn, knowing his rating, he most likely realized that he would not win the election and began to prepare. He did not let anyone into the tent, then replaced the head of the Administration with a security official, in the spring he began to imprison competitors, then before the elections he replaced the government of bankers with security officials, and then ordered “not to restrain” on August 9-12. Not because I didn't know something. Just because he knew and understood everything.

    "I didn't know anything" - it didn't work in Nuremberg. It shouldn't pass with us either.
    1. Aleksandr56478
      Aleksandr56478 27 October 2020 22: 22
      +4
      well noticed hi At the end of August, here at the forum, I wrote about the situation in Belarus, about the fact that they are not marrying Tikhanovskaya or BCHB, but against one person who simply crossed the line of "permissible" even in our realities. Torture and torture of detainees (even if they were zmagars a hundred times) in pre-trial detention centers and temporary detention facilities simply fell to the level of fascism. You know, here too (to my surprise, because this question usually goes "with hostility" from the citizens of the Russian Federation) was adequately answered, they said something like this: that they all perfectly understand and understand the protesters, but the desire to see NATO near the borders of Smolensk they do not have a base with nuclear warheads. the alternative is the present Lukashenka, though indirectly, but it still presupposes, from which the position of the members of the forum is almost unambiguous. Although the Belarusians are not to blame for the fact that the Kremlin has not been able to nurture a more or less adequate receiver for itself in 26 years, now we are sowing the wind to reap the storm in the near future, since After Russia supported Lukashenka in the current crisis, the level of Russophobia in Belarus (before that very isolated manifestations) began to grow even among people nostalgic for the USSR.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 22: 40
        +3
        Quote: Aleksandr56478
        they answered adequately, said something like this: that they all perfectly understand and understand the protesters, but they have no desire to see NATO bases with nuclear warheads near the borders of Smolensk


        Do you think those who answered this way are adequate? belay Oh, those terrible NATO bases with nuclear warheads in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine.
      2. major147
        major147 28 October 2020 00: 03
        -2
        Quote: Aleksandr56478
        the level of Russophobia in Belarus (before that very isolated manifestations) began to grow even among people nostalgic for the USSR.

        That's it! The Kremlin is to blame! Well, yes, the forelock also blame Russia for everything. Even in the "Maidan". Very convenient, by the way. All white and fluffy, and Russia in ....
        1. Aleksandr56478
          Aleksandr56478 28 October 2020 00: 11
          +4
          Well, at the top of the Russian Federation are accustomed to the same rake, why seek compromises and ways out of the situation? - Better to bet everything on the "lame horse". Or do you think that having supported his crazy grandfather, having said that a reserve of security officials is being prepared to suppress rallies in early August (who? Belarusians? The number of "zmagarou" rallies has not changed for decades), the official Kremlin gained support? In a couple of years, such "smart" steps will definitely be a rabid Russophobic state at hand and no referendums on constitutions will correct the situation. lol
          1. major147
            major147 28 October 2020 00: 15
            -3
            Quote: Aleksandr56478
            at the top of the Russian Federation are accustomed to stepping on the same rake, why seek compromises and ways out of the situation?

            In-in! I say, blame everything on Russia!
        2. Gost2012
          Gost2012 28 October 2020 13: 48
          +2
          Of course, he is guilty - he instantly recognized the usurper, covers him up, threatens to send troops in support, gives money. The Kremlin has taken a hostile position towards the population of the Republic of Belarus - after all, with whom should the valiant National Guard of the Russian Federation have to fight?
          I am generally amazed - in all seriousness at various levels, from chatter here, to all kinds of experts and politicians, they talk about some kind of integration ?! Is it really so possible to be short-sighted and stupid - neither to people now, nor to AHL in general, you have not fallen with any integration and it is not possible now in principle. And it won't.
          1. major147
            major147 28 October 2020 16: 52
            -3
            Quote: Gost2012
            And will not be.

            And we don't need it. You need.
    2. Alexander Suvorov_2
      Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 22: 53
      -2
      Don't make noise, there won't be Nuremberg for you)
    3. beeper
      beeper 27 October 2020 23: 01
      -4
      cmax
      no one pays anyone

      Just about, rightly complain, because "Sveta10%", on behalf of its owners, promised to pay all Belarusian citizens who lost their jobs, supporting its extremist calls to Maidan and striking, and, in fact, DECEPTED such MAYDOUNS - DOES NOT PAY ANYONE, only "feeds with stories", ay-ay-ay! negative
      And, in general, aka сmax, if your Maidan "brigadiers" and "centurions" have healed (and this happened at the Kiev "Euromaidan"!) Your payment and use you, your "Maidan enthusiasm" for free, DO NOT be naive suckers, do not go out Maidan until the Maidan zakoperschiki will not pay you the due and more-forfeit "for moral damage"! fellow
      1. cmax
        cmax 27 October 2020 23: 49
        +5
        Nobody expects anything from Sveta. There was simply no special choice, either He or the Light. Imagine how many people got sick that they voted not for the 26-year-old transsedent, but for the teacher who presented herself 2 months before the elections. Can't imagine. You have not yet been to a polling station, and have not seen how many people went to the polls with white symbols. You don’t have to pay me anything and don’t feel sorry for us. I want children and grandchildren to live not in fear and lies, but in a normal country. Yes, and a smart person, a smart president, would have found a replacement for himself long ago (for example, Nazarbayev-umische), and a small man clings to power, sometimes with his teeth, sometimes with blue hands. He himself said this 15 times.
        1. beeper
          beeper 28 October 2020 00: 43
          -5
          Why should I feel sorry for you, stupid and narrow-minded BCHBeshny "zmagars", accomplices of extremists ??!
          I am for the Constitution, Law and Order, not for extravagant destructors! wink
          I will not curse it, I also remember how all the previous times, and almost all the time before these elections, the AHL used to say that it does not hold on to the presidency and is allegedly thinking of retirement. smile
          Awkward "parasite law" (and its total stupid execution), it was, many got it! Of course, there are many questions about the excessive "overorganization" of small and medium-sized businesses. With ostentation and "subbotniks" in Belarus, too, "exaggeration", but these are cute pranks (which will then be remembered with nostalgia, as we recall our dear Soviet Union!) In comparison with what awaits you in the event of a raid from Belarus to a "normal country "! negative
          BCHBeshnikov, "zmagars" and "neolitvinov", Lukashenko himself bred, went along the destructive "multi-vector" Russophobic "path" of Yudomazepin Yanukovych (although the AGL himself used to grin at the hapless fugitive Leopold!)!
          Nazarbayev- "cleverness" because he was able to deftly go into the shadows, behind the back of the dummy "Fuchs", and still manage Kazakhstan, but now without bearing any presidential responsibility for his managerial decisions ?! smile
          Are you, aka cmax, really so naive that you believe "looks" ?!
          what
          I didn’t want our "saints of the 90s" to my native Belarusians, but I see that the AHL has spoiled many Belarusian citizens with its almost socialist "lukanomics" based on generous subsidies from the allied Russian Federation!
          You do not appreciate, aka cmax, what you, Belarusians, still have!
          Frivolously lose, razaydanite country, you will cry, alas! request
          Although I do not exclude that you personally may get some buns, such as "cookies from Nuland" ("green card" for especially distinguished Maydauns), you count on this when writing about "life in a normal country (well, if Belarus is not for you nutra) "?! winked
          We also met selfless Maydauns at the Kiev Euromaidan, just like you, "fighters for everything good against everything bad", a kind of "useful fools", "enthusiastically" jumping "for an idea" without demanding payment fool - then it was most offensive when they finally realized that they were selfishly used for their own purposes by vile scoundrels "on a leash" in the West, like Tikanovskaya "Sveta 10%" (she is the same "teacher" as the "cutlet girl" ! wassat )!
  • Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 22: 29
    0
    Lukashenka has turned on diplomacy and is trying to come to an agreement somehow.
    I do not understand how you can negotiate with reptiles. They have a transfer of power to Poland in their program ... and he talks to them ... There you just have to work hard and that's it!
    Well, it seems today he said that students will be kicked out of universities who will rally. Some zmagars will be taken seriously, since cars are burning at prosecutors' offices, administrative buildings are set on fire with cocktails, even semaphores are being broken on the railway ... it smells of terror
    With a hot iron, you need to cut out this cancerous tumor until it metastases.
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        1. cmax
          cmax 28 October 2020 00: 54
          +5
          First, not you, but you. Educated people don't address strangers in this way. I reminded you about Lavrov's words because you need to think about it before calling people reptiles. You probably lack this skill, apparently. We got used to taking it under the hood, others are not used to it (I'm not about myself, I'm a passive observer of events).

          I will give you a simple example from life. Maybe for your understanding it will be clearer.
          You are in your car at a green light entering an intersection. And suddenly another car drives into your car sideways, for example, as it turned out later, the car of some banker. Everything is as it should be, traffic police, registration of an accident, give your memory card to the registrar for registration, take the phones of witnesses. After a while, come to the accident investigation department for the result. And suddenly you find out that it was you who drove through a red light, your witnesses are not witnesses, the memory card suddenly turned out to be not working. The banker's witnesses (who have appeared from somewhere) have confirmed your guilt. The result is you are to blame for all material losses. You are certainly surprised ..... and you are trying to prove something, but no one is listening to you. They call it a squabbler, denigrating the reputation of an honest banker, a person who wants to not earn honestly, etc. This is how the elections in Belarus are. Everyone knows that they are not honest, but the one who is trying to say this is beaten, put in prison and said that for the money ....... All the best to you.
      2. major147
        major147 28 October 2020 00: 11
        -5
        Quote: cmax
        The Potemkin Belarusian village is based only on Russian oil and gas, and the respectful attitude of the Russian leadership.

        And when the dream of "Light" and its Polish-Lithuanian puppeteers comes true, who will feed the country? Does the West promise? You can find out from Yanukovych what their promises and guarantees are worth. And to tell that having thrown off the LAS free Belarus "will merge in a new ecstasy with Russia" is not necessary. Even with your desire, the West will not allow this, it was not for this that everything was started. So for the Russians, the LAS is better than Ukraine 2.0.
        1. cmax
          cmax 28 October 2020 02: 14
          +4
          Quote: major147
          Quote: cmax
          The Potemkin Belarusian village is based only on Russian oil and gas, and the respectful attitude of the Russian leadership.

          And when the dream of "Light" and its Polish-Lithuanian puppeteers comes true, who will feed the country? Does the West promise? You can find out from Yanukovych what their promises and guarantees are worth. And to tell that having thrown off the LAS free Belarus "will merge in a new ecstasy with Russia" is not necessary. Even with your desire, the West will not allow this, it was not for this that everything was started. So for the Russians, the LAS is better than Ukraine 2.0.

          What are you so worried about our feeding. 30 years of experience, he fed himself with his wife. Let's live. The economy itself says that Belarus cannot survive without Russia. 65% of the trade turnover falls on Russia. I, if you want to know - Russophobe and my friends are the same. It seems we stayed
          citizens of the USSR in the good sense of the word. Some people don't like it, but there are many of us. Therefore, blaming people like me for something bad is stupid. There are people oriented towards Poland and Lithuania. But the standard of living is really higher there. People see it. How can you blame them for that? Children of the Russian elite study abroad and nothing. Summer cottages, villas Spain, Cyprus have the elite and nothing. The patriot Solovyov has a dacha in Italy - nothing! You can go on and on. So, references to bad Europe with cookies do not pass. Let them look at themselves in Russia.
          For more than 20 years, AHL has been broadcasting about the union state like a nightingale. And it will continue to do so. Where is it. Uncontrolled power corrupts, especially since we already have some kind of monarchy, though not yet hereditary.
          1. major147
            major147 28 October 2020 08: 11
            -1
            Quote: cmax
            I, if you want to know - a Russophobe and my friends are the same.

            I don't doubt it at all.
            Quote: cmax
            There are people oriented towards Poland and Lithuania. But the standard of living is really higher there.

            And at whose expense? Are they industrial giants? They live on EU subsidies. Cut off subsidies and this whole "holiday" will end right there. Why the EU feeds them at a loss is a very interesting question.
            Quote: cmax
            Children of the Russian elite study abroad and nothing. Summer cottages, villas Spain, Cyprus have the elite and nothing. The patriot Solovyov has a dacha in Italy - nothing!

            So what? Liberty. Or close everything, ban it, not let it go? Summer cottages in Italy? And where should they be? Norway or Greenland? Yes, and Solovyov built a tea house for his own, did not steal from the budget.
            Quote: cmax
            For more than 20 years, AHL has been broadcasting about the union state like a nightingale. And it will continue to do so. Where is it.

            And what have you been waiting for for 20 years, and now you jumped up? And why do you think that by throwing off the AHL, Western puppeteers will allow them to integrate with Russia. They have a different task, "Ukraine 2.0". What, they live better after the "bloody Yanyk"? I don't see the need for the West to change working patterns. "People hawala!"
            Quote: cmax
            65% of the trade turnover falls on Russia.

            And what gives you reason to think that Russia will feed a new crowd of Russophobes?
            1. cmax
              cmax 28 October 2020 09: 04
              0
              Quote: major147
              Quote: cmax
              I, if you want to know - a Russophobe and my friends are the same.

              I don't doubt it at all.
              Quote: cmax
              There are people oriented towards Poland and Lithuania. But the standard of living is really higher there.

              And at whose expense? Are they industrial giants? They live on EU subsidies. Cut off subsidies and this whole "holiday" will end right there. Why the EU feeds them at a loss is a very interesting question.
              Quote: cmax
              Children of the Russian elite study abroad and nothing. Summer cottages, villas Spain, Cyprus have the elite and nothing. The patriot Solovyov has a dacha in Italy - nothing!

              So what? Liberty. Or close everything, ban it, not let it go? Summer cottages in Italy? And where should they be? Norway or Greenland? Yes, and Solovyov built a tea house for his own, did not steal from the budget.
              Quote: cmax
              For more than 20 years, AHL has been broadcasting about the union state like a nightingale. And it will continue to do so. Where is it.

              And what have you been waiting for for 20 years, and now you jumped up? And why do you think that by throwing off the AHL, Western puppeteers will allow them to integrate with Russia. They have a different task, "Ukraine 2.0". What, they live better after the "bloody Yanyk"? I don't see the need for the West to change working patterns. "People hawala!"
              Quote: cmax
              65% of the trade turnover falls on Russia.

              And what gives you reason to think that Russia will feed a new crowd of Russophobes?

              I am very sorry, it was late evening, did not check. In the text, the word Russophobe (must be changed to Russophile. As for the dachas of the elite, it is not convincing, in the Crimea, Karelia or the Moscow region they would look no worse. People who go out to protests also live on their own.
              1. major147
                major147 28 October 2020 16: 50
                -1
                Quote: cmax
                As for the dachas of the elite, it is not convincing, in the Crimea, Karelia or the Moscow region they would look no worse.

                Maybe. But in Russia there is a saying: "Who likes the priest, who likes the priest, and who likes the priest's daughter." I'll have a fin. possibility, I might also buy myself a summer house on some exotic islands.
  • karpusha
    karpusha 27 October 2020 22: 32
    -3
    Falsifies any choices he wants. Russia hopes that after transferring part of the powers to parliament, it will be able to push its party and influence the political life in the country. What is this if not interference in the affairs of another country?
  • Victorio
    Victorio 27 October 2020 22: 42
    -6
    protesters need visa-free travel, lace panties and vacant bosses' chairs
    1. cmax
      cmax 27 October 2020 23: 51
      +3
      Judge for yourself.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 28 October 2020 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: cmax
        Judge for yourself.

        ===
        ) no, according to the actions and demands of the "protesters"
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 27 October 2020 22: 55
    +1
    By and large, the village councils as such (not to be confused with the rural administrations in our country and the executive committees of the village councils in Belarus) that we have, that in Belarus cost a penny, the deputies are there on a voluntary basis. In theory, this is the level closest to the people. But they are being abolished due to the passivity of the villagers. Plus, the village councils do not dispose of real funds. This repels both honest people who want to solve the problems of their village or village, and those people who want to profit from participation in their activities. By the way, in the FRG there are village councils in many lands, but these are rather bodies of public self-government and public self-organization. Each community has several village councils.
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  • skobars
    skobars 27 October 2020 23: 26
    -3
    A normal president, an impoverished country with practically no raw materials, brought him to a standard of living, almost like in Russia. Some maydanutye Belarusians got drunk. We would have such a president, he would not give out money positions to his friends for nothing.
    1. Alexander Suvorov_2
      Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 23: 52
      -1
      The standard of living of Belarusians is higher than that of Russians! Oleg Kamolov has a video on this topic with figures and graphs https://youtu.be/ZrFP5viS8Ug
      1. karpusha
        karpusha 28 October 2020 00: 16
        +2
        Stop promoting some pro-government blogger here. Go to sites for job search in Belarus and Russia and compare salaries.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 October 2020 00: 31
        0
        Why then do Belarusians come to work for us, and not vice versa?
    2. karpusha
      karpusha 27 October 2020 23: 57
      +3
      Yeah, brought it out. After the collapse of the USSR, Belarus in terms of development was at the level of the Czech Republic and where is the Czech Republic now and where is Belarus. Lukashenka was doing well as long as Russia provided cheap oil, and he resold it to the west. As soon as the freebie with oil ended, the economy collapsed and the ruble devalued 10 times over 10 years. Yes, I’m guided. If not for Western and Russian loans - would have gone around the world long ago.
      He does not know how to live within his means and the standard of living without external infusions began to fall sharply. Belarus has the lowest minimum wage of all countries around. Even in Ukraine it is already higher. I am silent about prices, almost everything is more expensive than in Russia
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 28 October 2020 00: 26
        -1
        And in the Russian Federation there was no collapse of the ruble ?!)))) ... Where do you live at all? Kamolov is a Marxist and everything bourgeois is alien to him.
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 28 October 2020 03: 31
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov_2
          And in the Russian Federation there was no collapse of the ruble?

          Were there three devaluations too?
        2. karpusha
          karpusha 28 October 2020 09: 16
          0
          For 10 years, the Russian ruble has fallen by 3 times, and the Belarusian ruble by 10 times. For 20 years, the difference is even greater.
    3. cmax
      cmax 28 October 2020 00: 01
      +4
      What a level. The entire MAZ (you know, such a car plant), with more than 15000 people in 2019, earned a profit of about $ 20 million. As much as 20 million ..... Fuck what a profit for such an enterprise. And there are more and more such factories. You are a storyteller. Know nothing and fantasize. All enterprises are supervised by the right people, everything is like in Russia. Their family treasurers. Everything's under control. You don't know anything about Belarus, except for the headlines of all kinds of ehppers on TV and you fantasize. I can bring salaries of $ 150-200 to the Korelichi regional center. This is still good. There is no work, many enterprises have closed. Good luck with your fantasies. Well, where we do not!!!
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 28 October 2020 00: 29
        -3
        Go to Poland to wash pots in a nursing home for 1000 €, what have you forgotten in battered Belarus ?!) And take your friends, just make sure that the Ukrainians don't screw up your tail there - competition, market)
        1. cmax
          cmax 28 October 2020 02: 29
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov_2
          Go to Poland to wash pots in a nursing home for 1000 €, what have you forgotten in battered Belarus ?!) And take your friends, just make sure that the Ukrainians don't screw up your tail there - competition, market)

          Such as you cannot answer normally, you must definitely get nasty, spit, call names, poke. Habit is second nature. Probably such an education. Belarus is not crumpled, but a wonderful country. We'll have to, let's go. You have something.
        2. karpusha
          karpusha 28 October 2020 09: 18
          -1
          Many can only dream of Poland. I have 2 friends left. One works at the service station, the other at a construction site. Salaries are 3-4 times higher than in Belarus. They are just happy. Prices are lower. Housing from the employer.
    4. cmax
      cmax 28 October 2020 00: 05
      +2
      A normal president, if he thinks about his country, has not been in power for 26 years.
  • wcw2007
    wcw2007 27 October 2020 23: 37
    +1
    The best way is to resign
    1. Sergey Matveev
      Sergey Matveev 2 November 2020 02: 11
      +8
      Quote: wcw2007
      The best way is to resign

      And thereby betray the majority of the population of Belarus and plunge the country into protest chaos?
      1. wcw2007
        wcw2007 7 November 2020 16: 13
        0
        What chaos Belarus is a poor country, it won't be worse, just like ours
  • U-58
    U-58 28 October 2020 08: 55
    -2
    Be that as it may, Lukashenka will have to solve a very difficult crossword puzzle. And whether it is fully understood, nobody knows.
    In such a situation, it is extremely important to neutralize the influence of "sworn friends".
    Well, these friends will neutralize Russian influence.
    That is, we have another secret front.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 October 2020 09: 52
    -1
    It won't work. No concessions will work, just as no tightening will work. People are being financed for the "protest", as long as there is money, there will be a protest, and it is completely unrealistic to block the channels.
    Only a multiple increase in the efficiency of the government can help, plus, without fail and without fail, a real, non-cardboard idea that will unite the best people of the country. You shouldn't expect anything like this. Alas.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 October 2020 11: 41
    0
    he is not Yanukovych, and Minsk is not Kiev.


    Yes, a Yanuka in a cottage near Moscow watches TV and ... cries lol
  • Kushka
    Kushka 28 October 2020 15: 11
    0
    There is a famous folk fun on Shrovetide -
    climb on a smooth post and remove from the crossbar
    prize - felt boots (bottle of champagne). So -
    there you can see only two options:
    1. The man takes off his shoes and climbs to the TOP!
    Victory! Agile, strong guy!
    2. A person takes off his shoes, crawls over half ...
    and that's it, sour, weakling! Here's one scenario:
    Slowly, slowly down and the fifth point on the asphalt.
    THERE ARE NO OTHER SCENARIOS!
    Lukashenka decided to climb the TOP once again.
    It turned out how it happened. Will now poke down before
    the very fifth point on the asphalt.
    Once again - there are no other scenarios!
  • IvanT
    IvanT 29 October 2020 16: 48
    0
    The article is not about anything
    1. agond
      agond 29 October 2020 23: 04
      0
      Lukashenka as a leader is not so bad, and people in Belarus live better than in other places, just a person quickly gets used to the good and believes that good happens by itself, therefore, you need to change presidents from bad to good, and if he is good then what meaning of replacement, (except for a short-term effect of novelty) there will be no miracle.
      According to the protesters, it is one thing if a person has worked a lot and has nothing, but there are probably no such people among the protesters, I suspect that there are mainly those who want everything at once, then they can invite these people to look for another country
      1. Financier
        Financier 1 November 2020 23: 37
        12
        Quote: agond
        if it's not bad then what's the point of replacing

        In that would amuse the pride of pro-Western protesters and give them the opportunity to destroy and torn the country.
  • Financier
    Financier 1 November 2020 23: 36
    14
    How Lukashenko can pacify protesters by changing the country's constitution

    I do not know if the amendment of the Constitution will help Lukashenka ... But the terms of 5 years for the protestors can definitely help.
    1. agond
      agond 3 November 2020 20: 31
      0
      Quote: Financier
      I do not know if the amendment of the Constitution will help Lukashenka ... But the terms of 5 years for the protestors can definitely help.

      This can make them heroic martyrs "Here you have to be more flexible, in fact, Wise, cunning. Read Machiavelli!" For example, you can publish lists of protesters indicating their professions, work experience, sources of income, property status, amounts on accounts (whether there are accounts abroad), if someone is hiding, the hidden property should be confiscated in favor of the state, if he cannot intelligibly explain where he took then the term as in beloved Europe, where some mafiosi built palaces and are afraid to approach them.
      And then if the protester receives money for participating in the protest, then it is a mercenary.