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"In order to suppress claims": Armenia announced a preemptive strike on the southern border

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"In order to suppress claims": Armenia announced a preemptive strike on the southern border

The Armenian Border Force launched a preemptive strike on the units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces on the southern border in response to shelling of Armenian territory. The Ministry of Defense of Armenia reports this.


In order to suppress the claims of the Azerbaijani side in the southern direction of the state border of the Republic of Armenia, the border forces took appropriate actions, causing significant damage and losses to the enemy.

- said the press secretary of the defense minister Shushan Stepanyan, adding that the enemy uses drones in this section of the border.

Earlier, the Armenian military department accused the Azerbaijani military of shelling the southern border of the country, which led to injuries. According to the Armenian side, in the morning of October 27, the Azerbaijani military launched a series of attacks on the positions of the border outpost at the border with Iran. At the same time, it was argued that the enemy was using shock drones, as well as "rocket and artillery weapons."

This morning, from 10:00 to 10:15, the Azerbaijani side, once again violating the ceasefire, fired from drones (one of which fell on the territory of Armenia) and rocket artillery weapons at the position of the border outpost on the southern border with Iran, there are wounded

- the message said.

Baku denied the accusations of Armenia, claiming as disinformation and provocation of the message about the strike on the Armenian border outpost on the border with Iran, in turn accusing Armenia of shelling the Azerbaijani territory with mortars.

The information disseminated by Armenia about the alleged shelling of its territory with the use of UAVs and missile and artillery weapons belonging to Azerbaijan is a lie and is provocative in nature. Azerbaijan fully complies with the new humanitarian ceasefire regime. On the contrary, on October 27, starting at 09.30 (08.30 Moscow time) and up to the present time, the Armenian side subjected our territories to intensive mortar shelling in the direction of the village of Agbend, Zangilan region

- stated in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic.

Note that the parties are currently "observing" the humanitarian ceasefire, already the third in a row, and concluded with the mediation of the United States.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 October 2020 12: 45
    +2
    This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means. After all, when border guards enter the battle, it is a fact of repelling an attack from an external enemy, and Russia, under an agreement with a CSTO member country, must automatically help in eliminating an external threat! Only, the Armenians seem to have decided to outplay themselves, because at the moment, apart from their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no attack on Armenia itself!
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 October 2020 12: 49
      41
      Quote: Thrifty
      Russia, under a treaty with a CSTO member state, should help

      Why is it automatic?
      The CSTO does not provide for an automatic mechanism for resolving issues.
      First, there must be an appeal from Armenia. Then discussion by the heads of the member states and a decision.
      Something tells me there will be no consensus in the CSTO.
      1. MTN
        MTN 27 October 2020 12: 57
        -6
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        The CSTO does not provide for an automatic mechanism for resolving issues.

        Official response from Baku.
        Azerbaijan warns of retaliatory strike on Armenian territory

        Azerbaijan, adhering to the new humanitarian ceasefire regime, has a restrained attitude towards enemy provocations along the entire front and takes only adequate measures. This is stated in a joint statement of the Ministry of Defense and the State Border Service of Azerbaijan.

        “Taking advantage of this, Armenia purposefully aggravates the situation in various directions of the front, especially on the restored sections of the state border, preparing the ground for their further provocations.

        The leadership of Armenia should already realize and come to terms with the fact that the restored state borders are not a conflict zone, but are the state border recognized by the international community that defines the full sovereign territories of Azerbaijan. The inviolability of the state border must be ensured. Any provocation in this direction is regarded as an act of aggression against our territorial integrity, ”the statement says.

        It is reported that with this in mind, Azerbaijan has the right to destroy any legitimate military installations that threaten its territory, regardless of their location.
        1. fn34440
          fn34440 27 October 2020 13: 16
          -20 qualifying.
          "It is reported that with this in mind, Azerbaijan has the right to destroy any legitimate military objects that threaten its territory, regardless of their location."

          Armenia has more than such a right, fighting against the militarists of Turkey and Azerbaijan, who were the FIRST to attack peaceful Karabakh.
          This is an unlimited GENOCIDE against Armenia.
          10,4 million janissaries of Azerbaijan plus 89 million Turkish Ottoman-militarists, having bought up LETAL weapons from Western Pseudo-DEMOCRACIES, attacked 2 million Christian Armenia.
          This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.
          Where are the Human Rights Defenders?
          1. Alesi13
            Alesi13 27 October 2020 13: 20
            12
            Ek poked you
            1. fn34440
              fn34440 27 October 2020 13: 22
              -12 qualifying.
              "Eck poked you." The Baku plan for the turrets' pierits beat Karasho.
              Ganjubas Iraqi. Treat the sufferer?
              1. Alesi13
                Alesi13 27 October 2020 13: 28
                +3
                No, I am vodka, and you do not mix the ingredients
                1. fn34440
                  fn34440 27 October 2020 13: 31
                  -12 qualifying.
                  You know better the sun. Have you seen everything?
                  1. Alesi13
                    Alesi13 27 October 2020 13: 51
                    -5
                    Blue puppy?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 27 October 2020 14: 34
                      +6
                      The Armenian Border Force launched a preemptive strike on the units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces on the southern border in response to shelling of Armenian territory. The Ministry of Defense of Armenia reports this.

                      Actually, it looks like the truth, namely that it really was the RESPONSE of Armenia to the shelling of the territory of Armenia itself by Azerbaijanis.

                      Moreover, in this context, a message appeared on the Internet on October 27.10 that
                      "There is information that after the massive strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on Erdogan's groupings in Syria (the strikes were on the eve), the Turkish" sultan "immediately decided to take revenge and attack certain regions of Armenia in the south of the country," the message says.
                      More details - https://novorosinform.org/832781?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

                      At the same time, the publication notes that when the official Turkish troops enter an armed conflict - in fact, a civil war with the NKR Armenians in Azerbaijan - the conflict develops into a MORE MASSIVE format.

                      Russian Aerospace Forces Destroyed About 100 Pro-Turkish Militants in Syria! • 26 oct. Feb 2020
                      1. Alexander Kopychev
                        Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 15: 03
                        0
                        Azerbaijan can easily refer to an accidentally flown shell. The press secretary of the Ministry of Defense also made a statement here. This is no longer a joke.
              2. Buka001
                Buka001 28 October 2020 04: 36
                -2
                You better go back to your Syrian Lebanese ganjubas. And then the az-Turkish-Russian I see you galics-delusional gives
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 27 October 2020 13: 29
            +1
            Quote: fn34440
            This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.
            Where are the Human Rights Defenders?

            And where were the "Defenders of Human Rights to Life" when the Armenians staged the "Khojaly" massacre? By the way, no one was ever punished. Stop stirring up ethnic strife. This applies to both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
            1. fn34440
              fn34440 27 October 2020 13: 41
              +4
              The "Khojaly" massacre was organized by the Azerbaijanis themselves, throwing mines and large-caliber rockets at the sleeping Stepanakert.
              In total, there were 120 XNUMX in Khojaly, in Stepanakert many times more.
              Let me remind you that the Azeri Turks massacred more than one and a half million Armenians in 1915. In 1915-1923, about 1,5 million Armenians were killed, more than 60 Armenian cities and 2,5 thousand villages were burned and plundered. About one million fled or were evicted by the Turks to Mesopotamia, Lebanon, Syria.
              In 1990, over 300 Armenians were massacred in Baku in a week.
              1. MTN
                MTN 27 October 2020 13: 48
                -5
                Quote: fn34440
                The "Khojaly" massacre was organized by the Azerbaijanis themselves, throwing mines and large-caliber rockets at the sleeping Stepanakert.

                Ara, there are facts of genocide and many countries have already recognized it. Azerbaijanis killed themselves, Azerbaijanis are shooting at their own people in Ganja. All by yourself. What are you keeping us for?

                Quote: fn34440
                Azeroturks massacred more than one and a half million Armenians in 1915

                what are you saying? can you show at least 100.000 graves? I'm not asking for a million and a half, just show me where the remains are at least 100.000?

                Would you like to tell what yours did in Guba and in Baku?

                Quote: fn34440
                In 1990, over 300 Armenians were massacred in Baku in a week.

                Thanks to Eduard Grigoryan.
              2. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik 27 October 2020 14: 27
                -5
                This old tale ... let's get a new one ...
              3. saigon
                saigon 27 October 2020 14: 49
                0
                Madame about the Turks okay in 1915, but madam what kind of Azeri Turks? Madame, why should the Turkish crimes of the beginning of the century hang on Azerbaijan?
                1. fn34440
                  fn34440 27 October 2020 14: 53
                  +2
                  Monsieur, read the French morning papers.
                  Musyo, study the latest statements by "brothers" Erdogan and Aliyev, especially about "dogs" in the land of Karabakh ..
                  Musya, draw your conclusions.
                  1. saigon
                    saigon 27 October 2020 15: 33
                    +5
                    You see, the brothers clearly do not shine in the knowledge of history.
                    All the same, the Turks were slaughtered in 1915, and on the territory of Turkey, and it was a little strange that the Kurds helped them.
                    So in 1915 the Azerbaijanis were not soiled in any way, from where they could have come from in Turkey at that time. The right is not to hang old dogs on the present Azerbaijanis.
                    1. Artavazdych
                      Artavazdych 28 October 2020 13: 05
                      -1
                      Well, since they themselves now more and more often call themselves Turks, even living in Moscow, why not hang dogs on them?
                      It would be logical
                      1. saigon
                        saigon 28 October 2020 13: 32
                        0
                        Let us leave lies to those who are not able to accept the truth, this is their weakness, their lies poison themselves and their children will not have truth.
                        If you take a quote from the Three Kingdoms in China, the authorship is attributed to Cao-Cao.
                        Understand the namesake of the war in the Ar-kh before and now has become overgrown with stupid legends, outright lies.
                        Apparently, when an inter-national conflict begins, the brains turn off and an interesting phenomenon begins, a lie deliberately created on the basis of exaggerated rumors by the participants is perceived by them as truth. The creators of legends and stories believe them and at the same time require others to believe in this crap.
          3. MTN
            MTN 27 October 2020 13: 38
            -7
            Quote: fn34440
            Armenia has more than such a right, fighting against the militarists of Turkey

            Pot calls the kettle black. From Iraqi Kurds to Spanish Armenians (killed by the Azerbaijani army and in the passport it was written that he was a citizen of Spain) Syrian and Lebanese Armenians and their friends are also on the territory of Azerbaijan! Who gave them such a right?

            Quote: fn34440
            Azerbaijan., Who attacked peaceful Karabakh FIRST.

            Hope you blush. In Tovuz, closer to the pipes, did my grandmother attack?
            Did Turkey fire a tactical missile at peaceful Ganja? Or the Armenians?

            Quote: fn34440
            10,4 million janissaries of Azerbaijan plus 89 million Turkish Ottoman militarists

            Well, that's all here in Karabakh. I counted 99 million and forgot 30 million from South Azerbaijan and their plus, do not be trifling) Add 800 million Pakistanis there ..... and 10 million are small things Israel also sign.
            Quote: fn34440
            attacked the 2 millionth Christian Armenia.

            As we get Lyuli, we immediately recall the good old fable with the emphasis on Christianity. Works great. A proven method. Let's get something new.

            Quote: fn34440
            This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.

            The trouble is to allow provocateurs like you to sit at the keyboard.

            Quote: fn34440
            Where are the Human Rights Defenders?

            In the same place where Khojaly is ....... you will of course blurt out about Sumgait, and I will answer with murders and persecutions in Kafan and the whole of Armenia much earlier than Sumgait. Therefore, you better not write it.
            1. fn34440
              fn34440 27 October 2020 13: 46
              -4
              The childish babble of a little brother, a Turkish Fuhrer with brain oncology, I don't want to answer with numbers.
              Turkish Fuehrer and son of the Chairman of the KGB of the USSR - "brothers" - SUR number 2.
          4. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 27 October 2020 14: 13
            +2
            Quote: fn34440

            This is an unlimited GENOCIDE against Armenia.
            10,4 million janissaries of Azerbaijan plus 89 million Turkish Ottoman-militarists, having bought up LETAL weapons from Western Pseudo-DEMOCRACIES, attacked 2 million Christian Armenia.
            This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.
            Where are the Human Rights Defenders?

            When the Genocide is spoken of in relation to this situation, blasphemous disregard for the tragedy of the Armenian people during WWI is shown.
          5. atalef
            atalef 27 October 2020 14: 55
            -1
            Quote: fn34440
            Armenia has more than such a right, fighting against the militarists of Turkey and Azerbaijan, who were the FIRST to attack peaceful Karabakh.

            nichrome you have changed the concepts.
            NKAO whose territory at all.
            Quote: fn34440
            This is an unlimited GENOCIDE against Armenia.

            genocide? Is it shit?
            Enocide (from the Greek γένος - clan, tribe and Latin caedo - I kill) is a form of mass violence [1], which the UN defines as actions committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial or religious the group as such by:
            killings of members of this group;
            causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of such a group;
            measures designed to prevent childbearing in such a group;
            forcibly transferring children from one human group to another;
            deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group.

            Quote: fn34440
            Azerbaijan plus 89 million Turkish Ottoman-militarists, having bought LETHAL weapons from Western Pseudo-DEMOCRACIES, attacked 2 million Christian Armenia

            it is, of course, clear that the NKAO is fighting back with clubs - only a question. who attacked whom?
            Quote: fn34440
            This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.
            Where are the Human Rights Defenders?

            Azerbaijan liberates its territory.
          6. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 27 October 2020 14: 56
            +4
            According to international standards, no one attacked Armenia. Yes, Azerbaijan has started a military campaign in Karabakh, according to international law, this is its territory.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 28 October 2020 13: 04
              -1
              According to international standards ...


              According to international standards:

              Northern Cyprus occupied by the Turks
              West Bank Jordan - Occupied
              Jerusalem is occupied
              Donbass - illegal formations
              Crimea - occupied
              Turks and Americans in Syria illegally
              and so on ...

              Stop spanking nonsense with these international standards.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 28 October 2020 13: 29
                0
                Where did you see the bullshit? Do we throw brown mass on the fan?
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 27 October 2020 15: 28
        +3
        there won't even be a close one! Azerbaijan did not violate the borders of Armenia)
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 27 October 2020 12: 52
      10
      Quote: Thrifty
      This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means. After all, when border guards enter the battle, it is a fact of repelling an attack from an external enemy, and Russia, under an agreement with a CSTO member country, must automatically help in eliminating an external threat! Only, the Armenians seem to have decided to outplay themselves, because at the moment, apart from their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no attack on Armenia itself!

      A preemptive strike - deyure, negates the obligations of the Russian Federation on military assistance to Armenia in the event of its Official involvement in the war hi
      1. MTN
        MTN 27 October 2020 13: 16
        -3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Preemptive strike - deyure, levels the obligations of the Russian Federation on military assistance to Armenia

        Do you believe that there was no assistance from Russia to Armenia? Understand, Russia cannot help but help, despite the fact that it signed on the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. There are 2 options. 1) Russia teaches humility to Armenia through the hands of Azerbaijan. 2) Azerbaijan has exclusively reached an agreement with the West. Therefore, NATO is silent and the US is silent, and most importantly, their mother Britain is silent. But the Kremlin also leaked them. Pashinyan, like no one else, hears a good spanking to make him understand .... the lines before entering the Gyumri base "Let the Russian foot be blogged when it stepped on this land" I wrote about this earlier. This conflict is created to have control over two regions. Azerbaijan and the Armenian province. One thing I understood for sure, Armenia will never see independence. Armenia belongs to Russia. Azerbaijan will return the lands and the new prime minister of Armenia will follow from the Kremlin (Pashinyan's days are numbered) so that he remembers who PAPA is and whose leg is here, otherwise the Turks will devour them. And no one will save them. This war showed that only Russia can help Armenia. Not the American lobby of Armenians, not the lobby in the second homeland of Marseilles really helped nothing. State interests are much more important than Armenians !!!!! How Azerbaijan will restore its territory from now on Armenians for 2 years can forget what independence is !!!! Help for the Armenians was not free. The equipment was destroyed, people died. To restore this, the Armenians will need tens of years and a lot of money. Free cheese only happens in a mousetrap. Further, Russia and Azerbaijan will have excellent relations for the gesture with Karabakh. Turkey will definitely also be loyal to Russia. Armenia will behave obedient for 100 years without words about "Great Armenia"
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 October 2020 13: 18
          0
          I do not argue - time will tell
          1. MTN
            MTN 27 October 2020 13: 41
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I do not argue - time will tell

            Time will tell what? If the Armenians start constantly shooting from Armenia, rubbing their palms with the words BAY .... and Russia will immediately intercede? Or all the same, Russia will give in the head the one who orders to shoot from Armenia to Azerbaijan. For this means openly entering into a combat phase with Azerbaijan. And this promises a new hostile country against Russia. Do you need it? Apart from headaches and expenses in relation to the Armenians, I don’t see you. Therefore, it is necessary to approach this process wisely and, most importantly, to CORRECTLY DIFFER the occupier from the victim.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 October 2020 13: 51
              10
              Russia does not need to interfere in this showdown - definitely.
              Russia does not need to involve Erdogan in the game in its own sandbox - also unambiguously.
              What will happen - time will tell hi
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 27 October 2020 15: 31
                -1
                With open aggression - it is necessary, otherwise when the Armenians will mutuz each other, well, let them shoot, if only 102 and ours would not be hurt)
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 27 October 2020 15: 02
              0
              Time will tell what? If the Armenians start constantly shooting from Armenia rubbing their palms with the words BEI

              Forgive me, I wrote to you in the first week of the war that your offensive along the border, "a la Guderian" in the Polish Campaign, would end like this ... What did your "brothers" answer to me? "You are not a military man!" "We still have to get to the border."
              "We gave the Scriptures to the Sons of Abraham, hoping that they would be Godly."
              Sincerely
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 28 October 2020 00: 40
              0
              Quote: MTN
              Therefore, it is necessary to approach this process wisely and, most importantly, to CORRECTLY DIFFER the occupier from the victim.

              hi
              And it is correct to assess the "friendliness" towards the Russian Federation in the present and the future.
        2. sevtrash
          sevtrash 27 October 2020 13: 35
          -3
          Quote: MTN
          Further, Russia and Azerbaijan will have excellent relations for the gesture with Karabakh. Turkey will definitely also be loyal to Russia. Armenia will behave obedient for 50 years without words about "Great Armenia"

          Where are the interests of the United States? Any event in the world must take into account the interests of the main country in the world. At least they lie in the plane of limiting the influence of Russia, Turkey and Iran. Armenia, which will leave the influence of Russia, under the leadership of the United States, may be a hotbed of opposition to the interests of Turkey, Iran, and possibly Azerbaijan (although it is secondary to Turkey). The United States may not need this too much, but a base on the Iranian border, in a Christian country that will be ready for anything after it is saved, will not hurt. So everything will be different.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 27 October 2020 14: 01
            +3
            Quote: sevtrash
            Where are the interests of the United States? Any event in the world must take into account the interests of the main country in the world.
            They have elections on the horizon with an unclear result. Trump and Biden find out which of them are sponsored by Russia, China and Iran, and to whom how much dough they paid. lol So they have no time for Karabakh yet.
          2. MTN
            MTN 27 October 2020 14: 02
            -2
            Quote: sevtrash
            Where are the interests of the United States?

            You described everything correctly. I do not argue.

            Quote: sevtrash
            The United States may not need it too much, but the base is on the border of Iran, in a Christian country

            There is such a thing. But this means for the Armenians to sign a verdict with the Persians. Persia is the only one where there is an exit to the world. Can they be that stupid? And what about the Armenians? South Azerbaijan will not be given to Armenians. Maybe after the return of the land, Azerbaijan will be forced to open doors for Armenians? Could it be a map for the US - interest? Somehow it is not significant. Azerbaijan will not give territory. Maybe a fleet? Then Russia will not agree to this. Iran should be so much a sworn enemy for Azerbaijan to allow .... Although I do not know already .......... I know that the Armenians are stupid but not so much to give the United States a base. Iran will somehow swallow the biolaboratory and the embassy and will no longer swallow the base. The first will be who will shout that Azerbaijan is our brother. Although they say so now.
            1. sevtrash
              sevtrash 27 October 2020 14: 20
              -2
              Quote: MTN
              Although I don't know already .......... I know that the Armenians are stupid, but not so much to give the US a base. Iran will somehow swallow the biolaboratory and the embassy and will no longer swallow the base. The first will be who will shout that Azerbaijan is our brother. Although they say so now.

              There is no need to solve all the problems of the United States at all, it is useless, they will be more obedient. Armenia will receive protection of its recognized territories, perhaps something from Karabakh, Azerbaijan will receive a security belt, maybe part of Karabakh. Or maybe not.
              The US sanctions have already shown everyone that any country in the world depends on the US, if China has been bent, what can we say about various other trifles. Therefore, the United States will stamp its foot and everyone will line up. Iran and Turkey are fluttering about something, which means that the United States will leave Armenia on the surface, as a conductor of some part of American influence. And Georgia will provide corridors better than Iran, if the United States is willing to do so.
              1. MTN
                MTN 27 October 2020 15: 43
                -2
                Interesting hypothesis
        3. kiborg
          kiborg 27 October 2020 13: 45
          +5
          These are your fantasies. It's much easier. Erdogan is building a new Ottoman Empire and he needs to expand. Therefore, he deftly played on the feelings of Azerbaijanis, using the situation of the long-standing conflict around Karabakh. For a long time, the Sultan pumped Azerbaijan up with his high-tech weapons and then simply said "face" to his vassal Aliyev ..
          Now, when you are tied in blood, try to jump out of this conflict.
          You will kill each other, and Erdogan will collect the fruits, of course, if Azerbaijan wins. If the Ayzers lose, the Turkish sultan will simply wash his hands ..
        4. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 October 2020 13: 46
          +1
          You are more specific. How is Russia's assistance to Armenia expressed? This is a fundamental point. You just throw general phrases without knowing what to catch on to. This is not serious.
        5. Mik1701
          Mik1701 27 October 2020 17: 20
          0
          Very likely.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        A preemptive strike - deyure, negates the obligations of the Russian Federation on military assistance to Armenia in the event of its Official involvement in the war

        In order for the "dejure" to take effect, it is necessary to clarify who and why the "preventive strike". Very much everything is written with a pitchfork on the water. Armenia's statement "They are beating our guard!" highly doubtful. Azerbaijan has never given any reason to doubt its inadequate behavior. He does not need a war with Armenia, but Karabakh for Azerbaijan has always been and remains the main issue. They will most likely take Karabakh with battles (at least 7 regions), that's for sure. But they will not climb into Armenia, and the army will not want to, "We do not need someone else, we will take our own."
      3. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 29
        +4
        Let's start with the fact that there was a Bayraktar raid and shelling of Armenia, there are already enough vidos. Erdogan puts pressure on us to the maximum, and just about anything, he can always turn back and blame everything on Aliyev, who has already destroyed the Armenian Yars and completely lies. But it will make the most of the situation. In the meantime, the goal of this operation is seen in cutting off Armenia from Iran and from A * rtsakh at a minimum, and then, first, the cleanup and massacre in A * rtsakh, the second stage of a year after 1, 5, the solution of the Armenian question.
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 27 October 2020 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: K-612-O
          Let's start with the fact that there was a Bayraktar raid and shelling of Armenia, there are already enough vidos. Erdogan puts pressure on us to the maximum, and just about anything, he can always turn back and blame everything on Aliyev, who has already destroyed the Armenian Yars and completely lies. But it will make the most of the situation. In the meantime, the goal of this operation is seen in cutting off Armenia from Iran and from A * rtsakh at a minimum, and then, first, the cleanup and massacre in A * rtsakh, the second stage of a year after 1, 5, the solution of the Armenian question.

          It is unlikely that Erdogan will not solve the Armenian issue at all. The maximum that will turn out is a corridor to Nakhichevan and then if he is allowed. Then we will see where the Turkofuhrer will rush.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 27 October 2020 12: 57
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means. After all, when border guards enter the battle, it is a fact of repelling an attack from an external enemy, and Russia, under an agreement with a CSTO member country, must automatically help in eliminating an external threat! Only, the Armenians seem to have decided to outplay themselves, because at the moment, apart from their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no attack on Armenia itself!

      What kind of machine? Kazakhstan said that it will not defend Armenia in any case. Is that the CSTO? And why then Russia and Armenia will defend Kazakhstan?
    4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 13: 00
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      and Russia, under a treaty with a CSTO member state, automatically must help to eliminate the external threat!

      what nafig, "automatic"? For a change, you would read the DOKB at least diagonally
      except for their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no actual attack on Armenia!

      Well, why then write nonsense about "automatic"? There is no reason to turn on the CSTO mechanisms.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 13: 07
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means.

      Here I completely trust the Azerbaijani side.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 27 October 2020 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Thrifty
        This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means.

        Here I completely trust the Azerbaijani side.

        Found someone to trust. To me, too, the ultimate truth.
        1. MTN
          MTN 27 October 2020 14: 20
          -3
          Quote: 1976AG
          Found someone to trust.

          Do you believe the Armenians?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 October 2020 15: 19
            0
            Quote: MTN
            Do you believe the Armenians?

            The Armenians can be trusted, but the Sorosians have no faith.
            1. kyznets
              kyznets 29 October 2020 12: 33
              0
              What does Soros mean? Armenia chose Pashinyan, who chose his own path separate from Russia. And when the Armenians chose him, they knew this trait behind him. For many times after the collapse of the USSR, Armenia is trying, if not to spit on Russia, then to show her its independence. Independence from agreements and debts, both material and moral. And now they are no longer great and independent? Now Russia SHOULD help them? In my opinion, the correct decision is to return the status quo: Azerbaijani Karabakh - Armenia is independent, within its borders. And in my opinion, there is no difference killed 100 civilians or thousands of civilians. And then, and then CRIMES AGAINST GOD, against faith and against humanity. We are not animals. Even one dead child, an old man, a woman, just a peaceful person is a terrible crime! And revenge for murder - killing innocent people is a crime before God. Moreover, when they begin to count how much for how much. Delirium and savagery. And there is no need to distort the Christian or non-Christian people are at war. The war is over territory. When Armenia was striving to the free west with Soros, from Russia, no one remembered the common Christian values. For Russia, by and large, friendship with Armenia is even more harmful than enmity. "Friendly" Armenia needs to be constantly helped financially, while hostile Armenia will have to pay for everything from its own pocket. And Azerbaijan is no worse / better "friend" for us than Armenia. In the sense, too, the same is not a stranger.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 29 October 2020 13: 06
                +1
                Quote: kyznets
                What does Sorosity mean? Armenia chose Pashinyan, who chose his own path separate from Russia. And when the Armenians chose him, they knew this trait behind him.

                Pashinyan is Soros's henchman, here he himself did not hide it, and his henchmen "Soros". And the world's largest US embassy is located in Yerevan (2500 people)
                When choosing Pashinyan, the people of Armenia made their choice, not we chose him, but the Armenians. And there is nothing to take offense at us. Of course you know the attitude towards Russians at that time, I even published more than one or two photos in the comments.
                1. kyznets
                  kyznets 29 October 2020 13: 29
                  0
                  And when was their attitude towards us better? Simple or hidden. Or they didn't hide it.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 29 October 2020 14: 53
                    0
                    Quote: kyznets
                    And when was their attitude towards us better?

                    In Soviet times, I often visited my colleagues in Yerevan, and my father’s brother-soldiers, then it was the opposite, excellent relations.
    6. donavi49
      donavi49 27 October 2020 13: 13
      +6
      Not automatically, but by meeting.

      And in general, not the CSTO, but Russia.

      Kazakhstan will rather support Azerbaijan. For there friendship-love with Turkey is in full swing. The Turkish Defense Ministry is visiting now. Large Turkish companies are building production facilities and facilities in Kazakhstan. Only at the forum last year, 1,5 lard of greens of Turkish investments were signed.


      Kyrgyzstan is not A-A at all. Let them cut there even to the point of opupeniya. They have their own problems above the roof. And now another exacerbation of the level of Ladakh with another member of the CSTO:
      The border department of the State Committee for National Security of Tajikistan reported that there was another conflict on the border with Kyrgyzstan. In this case, the Kyrgyz border guards used weapons.

      Tajikistan is trying to share border territories with Kyrgyzstan. And in general, rather for Turkey than for the Armenians.

      The old man will probably also go to a difficult situation in the country.

      So Russia - Armenia remains.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 21
        -1
        Tajikistan?!! For Turkey? Since when did the Persians and Pashtuns become for Turkey? They hate them. And Russia, Iran and Armenia will remain, against Turkey. Azerbaijan, for Erdogan, is only cannon fodder, like the Syrians, and in a serious war they will not be given any other role.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 27 October 2020 13: 30
          0
          Iran is already in the CSTO ??? Judging by the vidos of jubilation, when the Azerbaijanis occupied the strip, Iran is unlikely to fit in with Armenia.

          Turkey has 25% of the total trade in Tajikistan. It is a key economic partner of the country (only Russia has more, and even then not by much). Plus, they have an active showdown with Kyrgyzstan now.

          Shooting again on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan October 26, 2020
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 53
            +3
            Iran does not need Turks in East Azerbaijan, where there are 2,5 times more Azerbaijanis than in Azerbaijan, just like in the Caspian Sea, and they cannot stand them. Iran will fit in with its interests. Tanks, artoo, air defense and troops to the border are just being dragged for the 3rd week.
            1. MTN
              MTN 27 October 2020 14: 30
              -3
              Quote: K-612-O
              Iran has no need for Turks in East Azerbaijan, where Azerbaijanis are 2,5 times more than in Azerbaijan.

              Whether Iran wants it or not, Turkey is with Azerbaijan since the proclamation of the words 1 people of 2 countries. And this phrase is more than twenty. Since then, Turkey has been in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan in Turkey.

              Quote: K-612-O
              Iran will fit in with its interests.

              Secretly, let it let the goods pass to Armenia and for one Azerbaijan ammunition, and if I am not mistaken Azerbaijan bought shells for mortars from Iran. repeat and if the Persians decide to openly support the Armenians, then believe me, in a week there will be a Jewish base on the border with Iran and Azerbaijan
              1. atalef
                atalef 27 October 2020 15: 04
                +2
                Quote: MTN
                and if the Persians decide to openly support the Armenians, then believe me, in a week there will be a Jewish base on the border with Iran and Azerbaijan

                100%
                1. not main
                  not main 27 October 2020 21: 28
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: MTN
                  and if the Persians decide to openly support the Armenians, then believe me, in a week there will be a Jewish base on the border with Iran and Azerbaijan

                  100%

                  I doubt it very much!
              2. Dude
                Dude 27 October 2020 15: 05
                -1
                Whether Iran wants it or not, Turkey is with Azerbaijan since the proclamation of the words 1 people of 2 countries. And this phrase is more than twenty. Since then, Turkey has been in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan in Turkey.

                ... if the Persians decide to openly support the Armenians, then believe me, in a week there will be a Jewish base on the border with Iran and Azerbaijan
                Azerbaijan, as you describe it, is just an affectionate calf, which, as you know, sucks two queens!
                The main thing in this situation, you know, is not to confuse a cow with a bull ... repeat winked
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 October 2020 15: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: Dude
                  just an affectionate calf, which, as you know, sucks two queens!

                  It depends on what kind of tit. From a mad cow and a calf, it becomes mad.
              3. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 27 October 2020 15: 38
                -1
                Quote: MTN
                Since then, Turkey has been in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan has been in Turkey.

                Yes, they have always been together, with the exception of the times of the USSR (after the execution of the Turkish Communist Party). Iranians also appeared on the territory of Azerbaijan during the Second World War, even schools were in Farsi.
              4. kyznets
                kyznets 29 October 2020 12: 38
                0
                It's funny about the border base! good
        2. atalef
          atalef 27 October 2020 15: 03
          0
          Quote: K-612-O
          And Russia, Iran and Armenia will remain, against Turkey

          Iran versus turkey - great.
          1. MTN
            MTN 27 October 2020 15: 44
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            Iran versus turkey - great.

            Mission impossible. Half of their army is Turks
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 October 2020 15: 26
          0
          Quote: K-612-O
          Tajikistan?!! For Turkey? Since when did the Persians and Pashtuns become for Turkey?

          This is certainly an anecdote, or not knowledge of history.
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 27 October 2020 14: 33
        0
        how do Indo-Europeans side with Tajiks for Turks ?! sick ?!
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 27 October 2020 14: 51
          -3
          24% of all Tajik trade turnover for 2019 is Turkey.
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 28
            -1
            AND? China is not for us, not for the Turks in your logic, they will not surpass, and they will certainly bring consumer goods more than the Turks.
        2. atalef
          atalef 27 October 2020 15: 05
          0
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          how do Indo-Europeans side with Tajiks for Turks ?! sick ?!

          I'm interested in something else, and what side are Russians for Armenians?
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 27 October 2020 15: 45
            -1
            I'm interested in something else, and what side are Russians for Armenians?

            If only because they were part of Russia, fought for Russia (there are quite a few well-known names), they have a great influence on the culture of Russia (there are a lot of them on the Central Television, at least), they have the largest diaspora, respectively, and political influence, they are Christians , and in Russia the majority of Christians, and finally they are also Indo-Europeans.
            1. atalef
              atalef 27 October 2020 16: 14
              +1
              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              If only because they were part of Russia, fought for Russia (there are a lot of well-known names), they have a great influence on the culture of Russia (there are a lot of them on the Central Television, at least), they have the largest diaspora, respectively, and political influence.

              all the same can be said about Azerbaijanis
              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              they are Christians, and in Russia the majority of Christians

              their Christianity has no side to Orthodoxy. but I would say yes, they are infinitely far from each other
              https://www.pravmir.ru/v-chem-raznica-mezhdu-pravoslaviem-i-armyanskim-xristianstvom/

              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              and finally they are also Indo-Europeans.

              this is the most important argument good
              1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                GELEZNII_KAPUT 27 October 2020 16: 18
                -2
                all the same can be said about Azerbaijanis

                So tell me, monsieur ?!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 October 2020 16: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                  all the same can be said about Azerbaijanis

                  So tell me, monsieur ?!

                  If only because they were part of Russia, fought for Russia (there are a lot of well-known names), they have a great influence on the culture of Russia (there are a lot of them on the Central Television, at least), they have the largest diaspora, respectively, and political influence
              2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                GELEZNII_KAPUT 27 October 2020 16: 26
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                their Christianity has no side to Orthodoxy. but I would say yes, they are infinitely far from each other

                They go to the Orthodox Church in the absence of their own, so there must be something in this.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 October 2020 16: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                  They go to the Orthodox Church in the absence of their own, so there must be something in this

                  who are the Armenians?
                  they probably go. those who do not understand anything.
                2. kyznets
                  kyznets 29 October 2020 12: 48
                  0
                  For the Orthodox, the Armenian Church is heretical. We do not have a community of churches and rituals. Although yes, they are also Christians, like Catholics, like Protestants. And just going to church is the same tourism, only with candles. The sacraments are important in the church - baptism, confession, communion, wedding and joint prayer at Sunday liturgy. Here we have nothing in common with them.
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 27 October 2020 19: 43
            +3
            The Russians may not be for the Armenians ... maybe they are for the sphere of their interests. My opinion, of course, does not solve anything in this conflict, but even I consider it unacceptable for someone to be in charge there, without the permission of Russia ...
            The position of Azerbaijan in this conflict is closer to me, but besides Azerbaijan there are many other countries willing to be in charge, and this, I think, is very annoying for the Russian Federation.
            I would like Pashinyan to be punished.
    7. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 October 2020 13: 43
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means. After all, when border guards enter the battle, it is a fact of repelling an attack from an external enemy, and Russia, under an agreement with a CSTO member country, must automatically help in eliminating an external threat! Only, the Armenians seem to have decided to outplay themselves, because at the moment, apart from their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no attack on Armenia itself!

      Whose application do you need? Do you think that Azerbaijan will admit it? Why's that ?
    8. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 14: 53
      0
      Here I am also discouraged by the announcement of a preemptive strike. They openly admit that they could not stand it and were the first to bang. We are waiting for a reaction in high offices.
  2. Yalquzaq
    Yalquzaq 27 October 2020 12: 48
    -2
    Statement by the Ministry of Defense and the State Border Service of Azerbaijan.
    The leadership of Armenia should already realize and come to terms with the fact that the restored state borders are not a conflict zone, but are the state border recognized by the international community that defines the full sovereign territories of Azerbaijan. The inviolability of the state border must be ensured. Any provocation in this direction is regarded as an act of aggression against our territorial integrity, ”the statement says.
    It is reported that with this in mind, Azerbaijan has the right to destroy any legitimate military installations that threaten its territory, regardless of their location.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 33
      +2
      That is, your government is preparing to declare war on Armenia?
      After all, the Turks will not help you when they force you to peace, as the Georgians begin. And even if they help, the Azerbaijani people will be cannon fodder in this war.
      If you had already recognized the NKR, took your districts, and calmed down. It's not your land anyway.
      And do not forget that Iran will not sit quietly either.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 27 October 2020 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: K-612-O
        Turks will not help you when you are forced to the world
        Nobody will force anyone. Russian officials have already stated that Russia will not intervene in the conflict.
        Quote: K-612-O
        If you had already recognized the NKR, took your districts, and calmed down. It's not your land anyway.
        Legally, the entire NKR is the land of Azerbaijan, which is confirmed by the UN and all countries of the world, including Russia.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 35
          -1
          Legally, this is still a valid Gulistan Treaty to begin with. Have you ever thought that Russia can revoke the recognition of the borders of the former republics and de-announce Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and it is all very competently and correctly substantiated legally?
          And for a long time, no one cares about the UN, except for vassal states such as Sumeria, Georgia, etc. We recognized Abkhazia, which prevents the recognition of the NKR. There is a precedent with Kosovo, so international law ended long ago, etc.
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 October 2020 16: 42
            +2
            Quote: K-612-O
            Legally, this is still the current Gulistan Treaty to begin with.

            oh well, these countries are no longer there - but the treaty is valid laughing
            Gulistan Peace Treaty (Pers. عهدنامه گلستان) - an agreement between Russian empire и Persian power of the Qajars signed on October 12 (24) 1813 years in the village of Gulistan (Karabakh) after the end of the Russian-Persian war of 1804-1813.

            What are you smoking there?
            by the way, one of the provisions of the agreement
            At this rate in Baku and Astrakhan exported goods were subject to a 23 percent duty


            laughing
          2. icant007
            icant007 27 October 2020 21: 21
            +1
            Quote: K-612-O
            There is a precedent with Kosovo, so international law ended long ago, and so on.


            Kosovo is a bandit state created with the knowledge of the United States, and is not recognized by everyone.
            If you want to draw the same analogy to the NKR, then please.
          3. Rubina
            Rubina 27 October 2020 21: 33
            0
            Ay-yay-yay, how can you not know the history of your country. The point is not whether there is a country that has entered into an agreement or not, but the succession. The USSR did not recognize itself as the legal successor of the Russian Empire, while Russia recognized itself as the legal successor of the USSR. This means that any agreements concluded by RI lost legal force in 1917. For example, the United States did not buy Alaska, but rented it for 100 years and did not return it. Who will say, did not intend, then please Hong Kong. It was also rented and returned 100 years later, because Communist China recognized itself as the heir to the Chinese Empire.
      2. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 15: 08
        0
        Quote: K-612-O
        That is, your government is preparing to declare war on Armenia?

        Well, if the territory of Azerbaijan is shelled from the territory of Armenia, it is an absolutely legitimate reaction.
        Quote: K-612-O
        when you are forced to the world, how will Georgians start

        who? Russia ? On what basis?
        Quote: K-612-O
        If you had already recognized the NKR, took your districts, and calmed down.

        so NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan
        Quote: K-612-O
        And do not forget that Iran will not sit quietly either.

        have you already signed Iran?
        I think if Iran fits in, we will definitely supply Azerbaijan with everything they need.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 39
          -2
          Coerce on the basis of a Kremlin decision. On what basis did the Turks occupy Iraq and Syria? The sultan decided and occupied. Or do you think Russia can not? Maybe the Turkish Georgian will finish badly.
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 October 2020 16: 56
            +2
            Quote: K-612-O
            Coerce on the basis of a Kremlin decision.

            has he already been accepted? belay
            Quote: K-612-O
            On what basis did the Turks occupy Iraq and Syria? The sultan decided and occupied.
            Quote: K-612-O
            Or do you think Russia can not?

            no, it cannot.
            There are no fools.
        2. vitvit123
          vitvit123 27 October 2020 19: 46
          0
          I think if Iran would fit in, then your supplies would not change anything.
          The key here is - WAS -.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 27 October 2020 12: 48
    +3
    The Armenians are losing.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 27 October 2020 13: 15
      +7
      unusual photo from neta:
      1. kiborg
        kiborg 27 October 2020 13: 49
        -1
        Something like that happened in Donbass in 2014.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 October 2020 13: 58
        0
        ZIL on the tornado of the Tornado.
      3. ashot1973
        ashot1973 28 October 2020 00: 13
        0
        Someone was lucky in a big way ...
  4. KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 27 October 2020 12: 50
    -1
    Armenia changed the head of the Border Guard. Service and then immediately such ... Coincidence? I don’t think so! :)
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 13: 03
      -3
      Quote: KreAtiF
      Armenia changed the head of the Border Guard. Service and then immediately such ... Coincidence? I don’t think so! :)

      clearly not a coincidence)
      But in general, it looks more like agony.
  5. Linxs
    Linxs 27 October 2020 12: 52
    +3
    An interesting movie is planned
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 27 October 2020 13: 02
      -5
      Quote: LinxS
      An interesting movie is planned

      yes, the most interesting thing is ahead, when they stop shooting.
  6. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 27 October 2020 12: 52
    +7
    I read it somewhere the other day.
    During their next conflict, Armenians and Azerbaijanis turned to the tsar-father for troops to help them. Well, the king sent them two wagons with weapons. That would shoot a lot at each other and become negotiable.
    Great wisdom!
    1. genisis
      genisis 27 October 2020 12: 57
      +5
      Great wisdom is

      Yes, wisdom is the greatest.
      Only the tsar has been gone for 100 years now, and the Armenians are still fighting with the Azerbaijanis.
      1. MTN
        MTN 27 October 2020 14: 34
        -2
        David jan ................... you can sometimes write the truth. + from me
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 27 October 2020 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: genisis
        and the Armenians are still fighting with the Azerbaijanis.

        So maybe give them a couple more cars?
        1. genisis
          genisis 27 October 2020 17: 47
          0
          So already planted
  7. genisis
    genisis 27 October 2020 12: 55
    +5
    Quote: Thrifty
    This means that someone decided to go to the bank in order to drag Russia into the war by any means. After all, when border guards enter the battle, it is a fact of repelling an attack from an external enemy, and Russia, under an agreement with a CSTO member country, must automatically help in eliminating an external threat! Only, the Armenians seem to have decided to outplay themselves, because at the moment, apart from their statement about a PREVENTIVE blow of reverse information, there is no attack on Armenia itself!

    The Armenia FSB Border Department operates on the Armenian-Iranian border. I think Kontor is as clear as yours who decided to outplay whom. Something has not yet seen the Russian Federation said that the Armenians are telling a lie.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: genisis
      Something has not yet seen the Russian Federation said that the Armenians are not telling the truth.

      I also did not see that the Russian Federation stated that Azerbaijan was telling a lie. Let's wait.
    2. MTN
      MTN 27 October 2020 13: 23
      -3
      Quote: genisis
      The FSB Armenia Border Department operates on the Armenian-Iranian border.

      laughing laughing lol
      David Jan, are the Russian troops allowing you to reach the border?

      Quote: genisis
      I think Kontor is as clear as yours who decided to outplay whom.

      Do you think we were surprised? This is a very classic act with you, as I understand it has become a tradition to hide behind Russian soldiers.

      Quote: genisis
      Something has not yet seen the Russian Federation said that the Armenians are not telling the truth.

      They are not talking about what they saw or not, but about what to see!) They certainly did not look at your interests in Karabakh, although they helped with equipment and ammunition (Fuzuli), but what happened to you in Karabakh is what happens to the Armenians when there is no Russian soldier in front of them. Do you remember the entrance to Gyumri, I mean this) remember these lines and do not boast about your army here. The officers in galoshes are no match for us !!!
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2020 12: 56
    +4
    That's what I wrote about today. Baku does not need to capture Armenia, but the warring parties themselves will not understand how they got involved in direct contact on the battlefield
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      but the belligerents themselves will not understand how they got involved in direct contact on the battlefield

      If desired, this can be done without problems, without even involving the leadership of the republics and the armed forces.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 48
      -2
      So maybe Baku doesn't need this, or maybe a corridor to Nakhichevan? And there is the 3rd field army of the Turks and you look and In Yerevan and throughout Armenia there are no Kurds, not Malokans, not Assyrians, not Armenians, there are no Turkish-Azerbaijani flags. It was not Baku that started this war and certainly not Aliyev decides when and how it will end.
  9. paul3390
    paul3390 27 October 2020 13: 01
    +7
    I wonder why the hell did we need to give guarantees to Armenia? And how are we going to implement them if Georgia has closed its borders? We can't even supply equipment. All that remains is a direct military invasion of Azerbaijan. And why do we need it? Who is that wise man who made such an agreement? After all, everything leads to the fact that Armenia will require direct military assistance as a member of the CSTO. And - what then does Putin intend to do? Refuse by showing value to your promises of protection? Start ironing Azerbaijan after getting a war on its border? And what will we get from this, besides defending the interests of Armenia? It seems like we had no complaints against Azerbaijan ..

    In general, to give some guarantees to a country that has an unsettled military conflict and occupies part of the territory of another country is some kind of fierce idiocy. For it is clear that in such situations, the shooting will surely begin anew, putting us in a completely indecent position. After all, formally, Azerbaijan is right! And our type of ally is doing everything to involve us in a war in which we have no positive interests at all. Only losses in any case.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 15
      +3
      Formally and legally, A * rtsakh is a part of Russia, like Georgia, and in Azerbaijan there were 10 small khanates before the king, which began to annex from Peter.
      And the Sultan is actively dragging us into the war with the obvious support of the Britons, who grieved very much today that they sent more than 100 spirits to the shaitans in Idlib. And the next step of the Sultan is the final solution of the Armenian issue and, apparently, he will take it, especially now, when there is impotence in Europe and elections in the USA. He does not care about us and he is ready to grapple with us in the Caucasus.
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 15: 14
        0
        Quote: K-612-O
        Formally and legally, A * rtsakh is part of Russia, like Georgia

        that's how it pins you.
        Quote: K-612-O
        and In Azerbaijan, before the king, there were 10 small khanates, which began to annex from Peter

        and Russia was part of the Golden Horde and paid tribute wink
        Quote: K-612-O
        And the next step of the Sultan is the final solution of the Armenian question and, apparently, he will take it

        Of course I don’t digest Erdogan, but it seems to me, before taking on Armenia, why should he not decide to 100 thousand Armenians living in Turkey? Well, logically, if you think about it.
        Quote: K-612-O
        He does not care about us and he is ready to grapple with us in the Caucasus.

        it seems to me that for sure - it is that he does not care about you.
        Are you ready to grapple 7
        1. Rubina
          Rubina 27 October 2020 21: 37
          0
          Wait a minute, add another 100 thousand migrants with a residence permit and Armenian passports to 100 local Armenians in Turkey
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 October 2020 13: 58
      +3
      Our type of ally protects our people living in Karabakh for centuries. And it is not their fault that at one time the borders of states were marked without taking into account the real state of affairs. Just as North and South Ossetia were formed, as well as the Abkhazians were asked if they want to live in the same state with the Georgians. Just like Crimea was handed over to Ukraine, without asking the opinion of residents.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 October 2020 14: 07
        0
        Well, thanks to grandfather Lenin, as Stalin slaughtered Abkhazia and Ossetia to Georgia. And about the Crimea, the Turks have already scribbled that in the near future it will pass under their jurisdiction.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 October 2020 15: 02
          0
          Quote: K-612-O
          Well, thanks to grandfather Lenin, as Stalin slaughtered Abkhazia and Ossetia to Georgia. And about the Crimea, the Turks have already scribbled that in the near future it will pass under their jurisdiction.

          Who exactly from the Turks scribbled? The dog barks - the caravan moves on.
        2. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 27 October 2020 16: 46
          -1
          Well, thanks to grandfather Lenin, as Stalin slaughtered Abkhazia and Ossetia to Georgia.

          Lenin cut the whole of Russia into pieces and distributed them.
        3. kyznets
          kyznets 29 October 2020 13: 01
          0
          Crimea Ukraine was slaughtered by Khrushchev.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 27 October 2020 14: 46
        +2
        Wonderful. But where are we? Or do you want to go to fight for Karabakh? Which, in fact, even Armenia itself did not recognize ..
        1. kyznets
          kyznets 29 October 2020 13: 05
          0
          That's it! What do we have to do with it? We are remembered only when help is needed. Who helps us? Who has defended our interests AT LEAST ONCE over the past 25 years for FREE, not even to the detriment of themselves?
      3. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 15: 16
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        Our type of ally protects our people living in Karabakh for centuries. And it's not their fault that at one time the borders of states were marked without taking into account the real state of affairs

        Do you think that only they have claims on the borders?
        No one has any complaints about Russia? Yes to any country they are, and now what?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 October 2020 17: 48
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: 1976AG
          Our type of ally protects our people living in Karabakh for centuries. And it's not their fault that at one time the borders of states were marked without taking into account the real state of affairs

          Do you think that only they have claims on the borders?
          No one has any complaints about Russia? Yes to any country they are, and now what?

          Do I have to list everyone? I just said that the Armenians defend their population in Karabakh, which has lived there for centuries and they have reason to consider this land theirs.
  10. maktub
    maktub 27 October 2020 13: 01
    -3
    Yesterday I read that someone from the Armenian diaspora offered to throw off money and buy back NKAO from Azerbaijan as "the land of ancestors"
    I heard it in my life, but this is the first time! laughing
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 27 October 2020 13: 38
      -7
      Quote: maktub
      chip in money and buy back NKAO from Azerbaijan

      Probably the one who suggested this read Sura 9, Repentance, 29th ayah.
      Fight (oh, believers) with those who do not believe in Allah and in the Last Day, do not prohibit [do not stand aside] that Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not adhere to the Faith of Truth [the laws of Islam] - from (among) those to whom the Scripture has been given [from among the Jews and Christians] until they give [pay] (you) a ransom tribute with their own hand, being humiliated (and submissive) [defeated]. https://quran-online.ru/9:29
      1. maktub
        maktub 27 October 2020 13: 57
        +2
        To clarify, this was stated by Hrant Agasyan: “Armenia will not surrender,” with these words the Armenian businessman Hrant Agasyan called on all Armenian entrepreneurs to buy out Nagorno-Karabakh from Azerbaijan in order to end the military conflict and not pass the problem on to children and grandchildren.
        Let's not go into the jungle of theology, I'm an agnostic
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 October 2020 15: 19
          +1
          Quote: maktub
          To clarify, this was stated by Hrant Agasyan: - "Armenia will not surrender", - with these words the Armenian businessman Hrant Agasyan called on all entrepreneurs of Armenia to buy out Nagorno-Karabakh from Azerbaijan

          do not give up and buy back ...
          strange concept of war. laughing
          At the age of 28, Grant Agasyan brought to the Moscow Stock Exchange the largest Russian private holding in the housing and utilities sector - PJSC City Innovative Technologies (GIT), which was estimated at the time of the IPO in 2015 at 1,2 billion rubles. Since then, the holding has been constantly growing due to the purchase of other management companies. In addition to housing and communal services, Hrant Agasyan has assets in large construction and financial businesses, in IT companies, and in real estate. Companies affiliated with him are actively working in the field of government orders. The entrepreneur also owns land and real estate in the Leningrad region and in the Crimea.

          do you want to volunteer for the front?
          1. maktub
            maktub 27 October 2020 15: 28
            +2
            Here I am about the same.
            There is a "hot phase" b / d and there is such an "ambiguous" statement.
            Hence the conclusion that Armenian "businesses" do not believe in the possibility of preserving the NKAO in its current status
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 27 October 2020 14: 25
        +2
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        Quote: maktub
        chip in money and buy back NKAO from Azerbaijan

        Probably the one who suggested this read Sura 9, Repentance, 29th ayah.
        Fight (oh, believers) with those who do not believe in Allah and in the Last Day, do not prohibit [do not stand aside] that Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not adhere to the Faith of Truth [the laws of Islam] - from (among) those to whom the Scripture has been given [from among the Jews and Christians] until they give [pay] (you) a ransom tribute with their own hand, being humiliated (and submissive) [defeated]. https://quran-online.ru/9:29

        We are talking about Jazya - a tax from infidels from the Peoples of the Book, which they must pay to Muslims. There can be no talk about buying out the territories of Dar al-Salam, conquered by representatives of other religions hi
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 27 October 2020 16: 47
        +1
        What kind of nonsense?
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 October 2020 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: maktub
      Yesterday I read that someone from the Armenian diaspora offered to throw off money and buy back NKAO from Azerbaijan as "the land of ancestors"

      probably the poorest suggested.
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    1. Yalquzaq
      Yalquzaq 27 October 2020 13: 29
      +6
      we look closely, who is sitting next to the minister of defense of armenia in your photo, who is with an inverted cap and in what form they are ... aqua laughing to which guria to the Armenian? wassat
      1. Yalquzaq
        Yalquzaq 27 October 2020 13: 33
        +3
        how is it with the Pakinstani special forces about which Pashinyan spoke, is not yet ruined?)))
        1. Yalquzaq
          Yalquzaq 27 October 2020 13: 35
          +2
          ahahhahha) Th photos were deleted)))) fake))
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 27 October 2020 13: 45
            +5
            You outstripped me. I also wanted to mention this, and on you, the "truth-lover" deleted the pictures)) They lie without shame here and when exposed, they just merge.
  12. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 13: 12
    +6
    This is such an observance of the truce, to strike in a different way, so that he would not strike ... And so the truce .. laughing And so it seems, the independence of the NKR is pretty bad. Aliyev was well prepared, both militarily and diplomatically. Surely he "conducted a survey" on the topic: Do you agree that the NKR is the territory of Azeybardajan? "Among many states and probably received support. , regarding this war, there are no urgent meetings of the Security Council ..
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 41
      +3
      Only the law in the US Congress is already on the recognition of the NKR, and in the French Senate. But they can admit it. And they will follow the Kosovo scenario, only then an American base will be sharply drawn in A * rtsakh. This option cannot be ruled out either.
      At the UN, all of us already ** t, you cannot say otherwise. All her latest resolutions are hanging on a nail in the outhouse.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 14: 09
        +2
        When the NKR is recognized, then we will say: "There will be bread, there will be a song" (c). smile Well, still they would have hung a couple, three resolutions, it would not hurt .. But ... no one is going to transfer paper, in order to hang it in the toilet, therefore, much has been decided without the UN.
      2. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: K-612-O
        Only the law in the US Congress is already on the recognition of the NKR, and in the French Senate.

        and will lie for a long time.
        Quote: K-612-O
        And they will follow the Kosovo scenario, only then an American base will be sharply drawn in A * rtsakh

        You sidorovs already figure out what you need - what would the congress recognize or what would be the base?
        Or do you, as always, so that you have everything and you have nothing for it?
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 06
          -2
          We need peace between the two peoples, peace in the Caucasus. And without Turkish ears in Adjara and Azerbaijan. Ideally, the return of our lands back, preferably to Kars.
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 October 2020 16: 09
            +3
            Quote: K-612-O
            We need peace between the two peoples, peace in the Caucasus. And without Turkish ears in Adjara and Azerbaijan.

            Quote: K-612-O
            Ideally returning our lands back, preferably to Kars

            you say you need peace belay
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 24
              -2
              Then he will be in the Caucasus, with Turkey within the borders of 1918.
              1. atalef
                atalef 27 October 2020 16: 32
                +3
                Quote: K-612-O
                Then he will be in the Caucasus, with Turkey within the borders of 1918.

                why so selective?
                Because you like it that way?
      3. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 16: 45
        +1
        Quote: K-612-O
        Only the law in the US Congress is already on the recognition of the NKR, and in the French Senate

        And in Armenia?
        the same is 7 Or is it already?
        Or does it weigh?
  13. Airdefense
    Airdefense 27 October 2020 13: 15
    -2
    This war seems to be for a long time and with varying success, like the first, now Azerbaijan, apparently, will take Karabakh, carry out ethnic cleansing among those who did not have time to escape, then Armenia will also prepare for a liberation war for 10-15 years.
    It is not clear who will win in the long term, Azerbaijan is a corrupt state with an almost “monarchy” clan of Aliyevs and a raw material economy and no less corrupt Armenia with “Soros”.
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 13: 42
    +3
    Azerbaijan has a population of 10 million and a military budget that covers the entire budget of 3 million Armenia and Artsakh. Where are the strong positions of the Armenians here? At the same time, behind Az. Turkey with a population of 80 million, which is now really participating in the war at the level of leadership of all operations, with the participation of specialists and its own jihadists. The Armenians are clearly running into laughing Armenia will be whipped through Azerbaijan for misbehavior, but Karabakh will not be surrendered. In fact, this is the territory of Azerbaijan.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 13: 59
      0
      Karabakh is the territory of Russia, "for eternity in the name of Allah," and what then grandfather Lenin cut there, an unfinished internationalist, is the bullshit, which Stalin categorically opposed. The fruits of this are emerging throughout the former Soviet Union. And they will go around for a long time.
    2. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 27 October 2020 14: 58
      0
      Quote: maktub
      Yesterday I read that someone from the Armenian diaspora offered to throw off money and buy back NKAO from Azerbaijan as "the land of ancestors"
      I heard it in my life, but this is the first time! laughing

      This is their mentality. During the Soviet Union there was one such terrorist Yakshiyants, who is clear by name. He hijacked a bus with children with his gang (God forbid). He demanded several million dollars as a ransom and the plane to Israel was fulfilled. Having flown to Israel, this scumbag offered Israel a part of this money so that he and the gang would be released. It was impossible to describe how the Israelis are offended that this primate could imagine that such a thing was possible at all))
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 13: 45
    +7
    The new Ottoman Empire is the carrot shaken by the Anglo-Saxons in front of Erdogan's nose.

    But the ultimate goal of this performance is once again to confront us with the Turks. laughing
  16. Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 27 October 2020 13: 54
    0
    A clear provocation.
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 14: 06
    +5
    Quote: K-612-O
    Karabakh is the territory of Russia, "for eternity in the name of Allah," and what then grandfather Lenin cut there, an unfinished internationalist, is the bullshit, which Stalin categorically opposed. The fruits of this are emerging throughout the former Soviet Union. And they will go around for a long time.

    This is the territory of Persia (IRAN) laughing
    12.10.1813/25.10/12 (1813/1804). - Gulistan peace treaty with Persia. The annexation of the Russian Empire of Dagestan, Imeretia, Mingrelia, Abkhazia, North. Azerbaijan, Karabakh and other khanates The Gulistan peace treaty between Russia and Persia (Iran) was signed on October 1813, XNUMX in the village of Gulistan (Karabakh) after the end of the Russian-Persian war of XNUMX–XNUMX. According to the treaty, Persia recognized the transition to Russia of Dagestan, Georgia, Samegrelo, Imereti, Guria, Abkhazia and the khanates: Baku, Karabakh, Ganja, Shirvan, Sheki, Derbent, Kuba, Talysh. I. The enmity and disagreement that existed hitherto between the Russian Empire and the Persian state, henceforth, will cease with this treatise, and may there be eternal peace, friendship and good agreement between the e.i.v. autocrat of all Russia and E.V. Shah of Persia, their heirs and successors to the thrones and their mutual high powers.

    Art. II. Because through preliminary relations between the two high powers, mutual agreement is already in order to establish peace on the basis of the status quo ad presentum, that is, so that each side remains in possession of those lands, khanates and possessions that are now in their perfect power ...

    Art. III. His shah's c. as proof of his sincere affection for E. in. to the Emperor of All Russia, this solemnly recognizes both for himself and for his high successors to the Persian throne as belonging to the ownership of the Russian Empire the khanates of Karabagh and Ganzhinsky, now turned into a province called Elisavetpolskaya; also the khanates of Sheki, Shirvan, Derbent, Kuba, Baku and Talysh with those lands of this khanate, which are now in the power of the Russian Empire; moreover, the whole of Dagestan, Georgia with the Shuragel province, Imeretia, Guria, Mingrelia and Abkhazia, equally all possessions and lands located between the now established border and the Caucasian line, with lands and peoples touched to this last and to the Kapian Sea. Grandfather Ulyanov is close didn't stand then laughing
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 14: 11
      +1
      Exactly, and then during the government he began to cut the borders and made devils from the Transcaucasian province, which has been blazing for 30 years.
    2. Stock
      Stock 27 October 2020 14: 40
      +5
      Well, that's what we are talking about, the key phrase here is the Karabakh Khanate. Where do you see the name A * tsakh? ... And since when are the land holdings of "the most ancient people in the world" called the Khanate ???
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 08
        -3
        Since the time of the capture of the Armenian kingdom by the Persians and its subsequent fragmentation between Turkey and Persia.
        All the protectorates and vassals of the Persians were called khanates.
        1. Rubina
          Rubina 27 October 2020 21: 52
          0
          Come on. Did the Persians and Turks immediately seize the Armenian Kingdom? And the Achaemenids (Iran), Greeks (Macedonian), Roman Empire, Sassanids (Iran), Byzantium, Arabs, Seljuks, Mongols, where did they go?
  18. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 27 October 2020 14: 10
    +2
    Here's what's interesting to me: if Russia and Turkey have such a confrontation through Armenia and Azerbaijan, then why do our aircraft constantly fly to Syria through Turkey? Here is a screen with the IL-62 of the RF Ministry of Defense
    [Center]
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 27 October 2020 14: 32
      +2
      Partners, however)))
    2. MTN
      MTN 27 October 2020 15: 06
      +3
      Quote: dmmyak40
      Here's what's interesting to me: if Russia and Turkey have such a confrontation through Armenia and Azerbaijan, then why do our aircraft constantly fly to Syria through Turkey?

    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2020 20: 20
      0
      This confrontation is exclusively between Armenia and Azerbaijan - Russia does not pry into their internecine conflicts.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 14: 11
    +6
    The Turkmanchay peace treaty between Russia and Iran ended the second Russian-Iranian war (1826-1828), started by the Iranian Shah with the aim of severing Transcaucasia from Russia. Signed on February 10, 1828 in the village. Turkmanchay (Iranian territory, 50 km from Tabriz). Article 1 of the treaty reads: “From now on there will be peace, friendship and perfect harmony between the EU. Emperor of All Russia and E.V. Shah of Persia, their heirs and successors to the thrones, their powers and mutual subjects. "

    Under the terms of the treaty, the Erivan and Nakhichevan khanates (Eastern Armenia) withdrew to Russia, the Iranian government pledged not to interfere with the resettlement of Armenians to the Armenian region, created on the territory of these khanates. This was of great importance in the fate of the Armenian people, laying the foundation for its unification within the Russian Empire. 140 thousand Armenians moved to these lands from Turkey and Iran under the protection of the Russian Tsar.

    An indemnity of 20 million rubles in silver was imposed on Iran (subsequently reduced to 10 million rubles). The exclusive right of Russia to keep a navy in the Caspian Sea was confirmed. The Abbas-Abad fortress with the adjacent territory went to Russia. Russia recognized Prince Abbas Mirza as the heir to the Shah. At the same time, a trade treaty was signed, according to which Russian merchants received the right to free trade throughout Iran; a unified XNUMX% duty was introduced on the import of Russian and Iranian goods. The Turkmanchay treaty strengthened Russia's position in the Transcaucasus, weakened the position of the British in Iran, which they sought to turn into a weapon of struggle against Russia. A.S. Griboyedov took part in the preparation of the peace treaty. Then there was no Georgia, no Armenia, no Azerbaijan. laughing
    1. MTN
      MTN 27 October 2020 15: 11
      +2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Then there was no Georgia, no Armenia, no Azerbaijan.

      I agree. Then I ask you to answer ............. who is that? wink
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Russia recognizes Prince Abbas Mirza as heir to the Shah
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 14
      -3
      Well, there was no Azerbaijan before the Soviet regime. And the Georgian kingdom entered Russia by itself, and Great Armenia was even before any Turks and Ottomans.
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2020 16: 21
        +5
        Quote: K-612-O
        Well, there was no Azerbaijan before the Soviet regime. And the Georgian kingdom entered Russia by itself, and Great Armenia was even before any Turks and Ottomans.

        and now what?
        Is Russia supposed to fight for you on this basis?
        many who once were and many who were gone, and who appeared again.
        I'm just sure that you have already taken the last sheet and having written Great Armenia on it, rushed to the front.
        You will not be full of slogans, there were many such great ones - but they floated away.
        one of the Gallic leaders, Brennus, in 388 BC e. imposed an indemnity on defeated Rome a thousand pounds of gold. The Romans, who agreed to pay the indemnity, refused to weigh the gold with too heavy enemy weights. Then Brenn, mockingly, put his sword on the scales and exclaimed: "Vae victis!" - "Woe to the vanquished!"
        Source: https://citaty.su/gore-pobezhdennym
  20. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 27 October 2020 14: 30
    0
    Draw in ..
  21. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 27 October 2020 14: 48
    +1
    Quote: fn34440
    "It is reported that with this in mind, Azerbaijan has the right to destroy any legitimate military objects that threaten its territory, regardless of their location."

    Armenia has more than such a right, fighting against the militarists of Turkey and Azerbaijan, who were the FIRST to attack peaceful Karabakh.
    This is an unlimited GENOCIDE against Armenia.
    10,4 million janissaries of Azerbaijan plus 89 million Turkish Ottoman-militarists, having bought up LETAL weapons from Western Pseudo-DEMOCRACIES, attacked 2 million Christian Armenia.
    This is sur, trouble and injustice of the 21st CENTURY.
    Where are the Human Rights Defenders?

    Dude, well you stick around good It is a pity that not a fan of weed, otherwise I would ask you for the dealer's address))
  22. Hypatius
    Hypatius 27 October 2020 14: 59
    0
    In defense of Azerbaijan, they usually remember international law, in defense of Armenia - historical treaties. But with the formation of the UN we have the following: the USSR is in the UN Security Council and only (!) The borders of the USSR are fixed in international law. And what happens within these borders is an internal affair of the USSR, and Turkey has nothing to do with Iran there, just according to international law. Gyumri as a designation of the Soviet border. To resolve such conflicts, and to make the former republics of a single state, legitimate and sovereign states, you need to gather in the USSR. It is possible to return the Russian Federation to the Soviet legal field, at the same time returning the full name of the RSFSR (EBN's appeal to the UN with a request to use the abbreviated name of the RSFSR - Russian Federation), and only then can legal acceptance and legal continuity be declared. And then, according to Soviet laws, after summing up the balances, and taking into account the territories when joining the union (historically, etc.), it is possible and divided. But the main thing here is the opinion of citizens, as co-founders of the state. Then, everything will be according to all the rights and rules, and will resolve many controversial issues.
  23. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 October 2020 15: 04
    +2
    I just do not understand, the Armenians are completely fearless ??? The result of such a preemptive strike may be a strike by Azerbaijan and Turkey on Armenia, and no CSTO in this case will help.
    Of course, I understand that today Armenia is under the control of the United States through Pashinyan, and this is a good way to expel the Russian base from this region, but sometimes even your boss sometimes needs to say no! Especially if he orders to commit suicide.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 October 2020 16: 16
      -3
      Well, there was already a video of Azerbaijan's strikes and the transportation of wounded Armenian border guards. So, one shouldn't be involved in Turkish-Aliyev propaganda either.
  24. Fon elia
    Fon elia 27 October 2020 16: 27
    0
    Sorosin wants to drag Russia and Iran into the conflict by any means. These are still flowers. Karabakh as a pretext for a bigger kipish in the Transcaucasus. Each side has its own goals.
  25. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Kopychev
    Here I am also discouraged by the announcement of a preemptive strike. They openly admit that they could not stand it and were the first to bang. We are waiting for a reaction in high offices.

    One gets the impression that our base in Armenia is the passengers in the bus, which is driven by a chauffeur with suicidal tendencies on a serpentine mountain road, and is going to go deeper.
    We have South Ossetia and Abkhazia in this part of the Caucasus, but it is not clear why a referendum on the entry of South Ossetia and its unification with North Ossetia has not yet been held.
    It is easier to withdraw the base from Armenia by strengthening the grouping in the southern part of Ossetia. And let Iran take the rap, and take measures so that the Americans do not come to it from the north. Moreover, in this case it is easier for us, we are not substituted by solving the problem with the hands of the Iranians.
  26. Old26
    Old26 27 October 2020 18: 17
    +1
    Quote: paul3390
    We can't even supply equipment.

    In principle, you can supply equipment from the 102nd military base. Moreover, there, as the technicians say, there is a little more than is needed by the state ... True, then the base will generally become a fiction
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 20: 36
    +2
    Quote: K-612-O
    Well, there was no Azerbaijan before the Soviet regime. And the Georgian kingdom entered Russia by itself, and Great Armenia was even before any Turks and Ottomans.

    Our schools do not study the history of Georgia. It's a pity! This is an instructive story for any nationalist of a people that was finally "invented" only in Soviet times. To begin with, Georgians themselves do not call themselves Georgians, although they like to argue over who is the real Georgian. This does not fit into ordinary human logic. And yet it is a fact.

    The name "Georgians" comes from the Persian word "gurj". This is how the Persians called Saakashvili's countrymen back in the Middle Ages. From them the word passed into European languages. Self-glorified representatives of the proud Caucasian nation, now numbering about 3 million people, like to assert that the international name of Georgians allegedly came from St. George the Victorious. Say, all Georgians are as brave as he is. But science (both philological and military) has not yet confirmed such an explanation. laughing Since antiquity, besides the "Kartvelebi" there have been other tribes - Kakhetians with the capital in Kutaisi, Imeretians, Mingrelians, Gurians, Khevsurs, Pshavs, Svans: This list can be continued indefinitely! Moreover, if the dialects of Kakhetians and Imeretians are similar to the official Georgian, then Svan and Mingrelian are absolutely separate languages. The Svan's speech resembles that of Tbilisi much less than the dialect of our Hutsuls - the language of Donetsk miners. laughingIn the XIII century, all that remained of the kingdom of Tamar was captured by the Mongols. Then these ruins were conquered by Tamerlane, who burned Tbilisi twice. And only in the interval between these Asian invasions - during the reign of George V the Magnificent (1314 - 1346) - the kingdom of Kartli briefly resurrected. But local separatists, who believed that they were, first of all, Kakhetians or Imeretians, and only then, possibly, also Georgians, made it known. In 1469 the Kartlian state collapsed, as the Georgian historian of the XNUMXth century wrote. Vakhushti Bagrationi, "into three kingdoms and five principalities" - Kartliya, Kakheti, Imereti, Samtskhe, Odishi, Guria, Svaneti and Abkhazia. What are the Turks and Persians?
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 October 2020 20: 41
    +1
    Quote: K-612-O
    Well, there was no Azerbaijan before the Soviet regime. And the Georgian kingdom entered Russia by itself, and Great Armenia was even before any Turks and Ottomans.

    Vakhushti Bagrationi came from a royal family. He knew the habits of his relatives well. According to his story, in the 1634th century. the kings of Kartli did not look very decent. Most of them ruled only at the mercy of the Persians or Turks and accepted Islam in secret from their subjects. It all began with Tsar Rostom, a protege of Persia, who reigned in XNUMX. According to Vakhushti, he “was a Muslim” and “brought in Muslim captive Georgians from Persia, and through their fault luxury, adultery, lies, body delight, Persian baths, obscene panache, harpers and Muslim singers spread among the Georgians. these deeds, they were not honored. " laughing Other rulers were found to match Rostom. During the battle with the Turks near Gori, Tsar Svimon smoked himself with hashish, drank himself with wine and sent his soldiers for greens from the garden, saying: "Are you not ashamed, for I want greenery, I see with my eyes and I cannot taste it." The battle, begun by the commander-addict in an atmosphere of such moral and domestic licentiousness, was naturally lost outright. Sometimes it is useful to be interested in history. Another hero of that time, King Yesse, who began to rule in 1714 as a protege of the Persian Shah, "had fun and enjoyed obscene with youths and inappropriate songs, instead of acting majestically, he took his wife from Kayhosro Amirajib, his mother's uncle, his grandmother's niece, and took him as his wife. " And when the Georgian bishops began to reproach the king for lewdness, Iesa replied: "Befits me as a Muslim." lol