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On the need to build icebreakers "Leader" and Russian prospects in the Arctic

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Russia is preparing to build three of the world's most powerful nuclear-powered icebreakers of the Leader project. This is stated in the presidential decree "On the Strategy for the Development of the Arctic Zone of the Russian Federation and Ensuring National Security for the Period until 2035".


As you know, Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the development of icebreaker fleet... No other country in the world, including the United States or Canada with access to the Arctic seas, has icebreakers of the same quality and level as our country. This is cause for pride, but there is no doubt that the constant competition in the Arctic region makes us not stop there and continue the development of the nuclear and conventional icebreaker fleet.

The nuclear-powered icebreakers of the Leader project are capable of providing year-round passage of ships along the Northern Sea Route. The characteristics of the project are impressive: the Leader icebreakers have a shaft capacity of 120 MW, a speed of 22 knots, a length of 209 meters, and a width of 47,7 meters. The displacement of the icebreaker with a draft along the wake line is about 70 thousand tons.

The main components of the icebreaker's engine are a nuclear power plant with 2 RITM-400 reactors, a steam turbine plant with four turbo generators of 37 MW each, an electric propulsion system with 4 propeller motors of 30 MW each. The icebreakers are designed for a service life of 40 years.

The first model tests of the icebreaker began in March 2019, and on April 23, 2020, a contract was signed for the construction of the Leader icebreaker between Rosatomflot and the Zvezda shipyard. By 2027, the construction of the first icebreaker is expected to be completed, and by 2033 - all three icebreakers of the Leader project.

Financing of the construction will be carried out exclusively at the expense of budgetary funds in order to exclude possible interruptions and delays. This is not surprising, since the launch of a series of three nuclear icebreakers is of strategic importance for the country in the face of growing competition in the Arctic.


Model of the icebreaker type "Leader". Photo: Wikipedia // PJSC CDB "Iceberg"

In addition to the Leader icebreakers, Russia expects to build 2035 Project 5 icebreakers by 22220 - the largest in the modern world. The length of the icebreaker of such a project is 173,3 meters, and the width is 34 meters. Icebreakers of this type will provide the passage of convoys of ships in the Arctic seas, breaking through ice up to 3 meters thick. First of all, they will have to accompany tankers with raw materials from the fields of Yamal and the Gydan Peninsula, as well as from the shelf of the Kara Sea.

Since the main buyers of raw materials are the countries of East Asia, the icebreakers will follow mainly in the direction of the Pacific region. Their launch is also interesting for Russia from the point of view of additional financial opportunities that are opening up. There is no doubt that icebreakers will play a very important role in the development of other opportunities in the Arctic. Global warming could turn the Russian Far North into a very promising region, where new industrial enterprises, logistics centers and even settlements will emerge. This strategy of the Russian state, by the way, is quite frightening for the Western countries.

At the same time, the West found itself in a strange situation: on the one hand, the construction of new icebreakers cannot please the American, British, Canadian authorities, but on the other hand, without Russian icebreakers, the movement of ships along the Northern Sea Route is currently impossible. In the current situation, foreign shipping companies are forced to admit the established order of things and turn to Russia every time for help in passing the sections of the Northern Sea Route.

Now the main thing for the budget is to find funds for the construction of icebreakers. After all, the cost of the lead icebreaker will amount to 111,524 billion rubles. At least, these are the numbers that are named in the materials for the draft budget of the Russian Federation for 2021 and the planning period 2022-2023.
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  1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 11: 08 New
    +2
    Russia has two allies, an army and a navy. Russia can and should build an icebreaker fleet.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 34 New
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      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      Russia can and should build an icebreaker fleet.

      Ice navigation ships, supply and repair bases, new ports and port points, hydrographic support, new settlements of modern housing with appropriate living conditions. It is not easy to build a huge number of icebreakers.
      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 11: 50 New
        +1
        Completely good I support you.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 October 2020 15: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        new settlements of modern housing with appropriate living conditions.

        First, to settle Siberia and the Urals, and then think about the settlement of the Arctic. The Asian part of the Russian Federation is much worse inhabited than the European, despite the fact that it is several times larger.
        Now, new cities are not being built in the same number as in the USSR, new territories are not being developed. And why? But because our helmsmen don't care.
        We need the Arctic only because there is oil and gas. Moreover, this oil and gas will not belong to the people at all.
        The leader will certainly be built, and I would not even be surprised if ahead of schedule. Because this money is for our corporations and money is not small. Plus political nishtyaks.
        And we live strangely ... Russia is fed by the Urals and Siberia, in fact, and money and all the strings are in the European part.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 27 October 2020 16: 13 New
          +3
          The Northern Sea Route is beneficial for the delivery of goods to Europe from the Pacific Ocean. First of all - for China, South Korea and Japan. Russia is determined to use its advantages by earning currency and developing its adjacent regions along the way. Success!
          1. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 28 October 2020 14: 48 New
            -2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            The Northern Sea Route is beneficial for the delivery of goods to Europe from the Pacific Ocean. First of all - for China, South Korea and Japan. Russia is determined to use its advantages by earning currency and developing its adjacent regions along the way. Success!
            If, of course, you know and are aware of Russia's plans for the Northern Sea Route ....... Where will the port (point) of unloading goods from Korea, China and Japan, which will (want) be delivered to Europe, be? Not in Murmansk, after all, and not in Arkhangelsk ...... Through Scandinavia to Holland, Germany! And how many miles this path will be longer than the journey by the southern seas through Suez to Italy and Greece ..... And there is already Europe ......... As for life in the NORTH, I am sure that you will not live there and 500 tr ..... 12 months winter and dry potatoes ... ..... Meat in excess - deer, like the sole of a tarpaulin boot .....
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 31 October 2020 19: 58 New
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              Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
              And how many miles will this route be longer than the route by the southern seas through Suez to Italy and Greece ...

              There are enough ports in Europe, to which the distance along the Northern Sea Route is one and a half times less than through Suez, and to all Italia and other Greece there is a developed infrastructure within Europe and the absence of borders ...
            2. 41st region
              41st region 1 November 2020 11: 01 New
              +1
              Your concept of the north is like a cow's about surface integrals. Good luck in self-education.
            3. Arthur 85
              Arthur 85 1 November 2020 22: 15 New
              0
              For 500 tr. salaries, I'll tame a deer in the tundra with a shovel.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 October 2020 16: 18 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          We need the Arctic only because there is oil and gas. Moreover, this oil and gas will not belong to the people at all.

          Interestingly, is there anything left that belongs to the people?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 October 2020 16: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Interestingly, is there anything left that belongs to the people?

            The right to hope for the best! fellow wassat
          2. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 29 October 2020 18: 24 New
            +2
            And when did our people "belong" to something? Under the Romanovs, the people lived in poverty. When the KPSS-also did not fatten. Now a similar picture.
            1. Arthur 85
              Arthur 85 1 November 2020 22: 22 New
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              Well, yes, and one more thing: and the people, in fact, who is this? Bald "brothers" in the 90s, are they the people? Khodorkovsky, a former party organizer of something, is this the people? It is somehow strange that the majority of this very people, having seized even a small power, become those still lovers of truth, and champions of justice, build themselves a three-story mansion, and send their children not to knead concrete, but to MGIMO. It's strange, damn it ... It's only the "Kremlin dreamers" who left behind a pair of worn-out boots. So who is the evil Pinocchio to us?
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 October 2020 18: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: NEXUS
          And we live strangely ... Russia is fed by the Urals and Siberia, in fact, and money and all the strings are in the European part.

          I agree with the comment, only money and all the strings are in Moscow, they have their own state there, and in the regions of the European part it is no better than in the Urals and Siberia.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 31 October 2020 20: 02 New
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            I agree with the comment, only money and all the threads in Moscow, they have their own state there

            Oha, yes))) And a resident of Moscow will tell you that "all the threads are on Rublevka, and in the rest of Moscow and the region we live no better than in the regions" ...
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 31 October 2020 20: 06 New
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              Quote: Albert1988
              Oha, yes))) And a resident of Moscow will tell you that "all the threads are on Rublevka, and in the rest of Moscow and the region we live no better than in the regions" ...

              I agree with him. Although everyone lives in Moscow better than in the regions, it is not in vain that they go there to work.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 1 November 2020 14: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I agree with him. Although everyone lives in Moscow better than in the regions, it is not in vain that they go there to work.

                In Moscow they live "better" this way - salaries are 35% higher, and prices are 40% higher among the majority of the population, and among a small minority - salaries are higher on average by 300-400%, this is a minority that lives well, the rest are not very much ...
                People go to Moscow to earn money, because they will earn more at the same job, but the truth is that they will have to live in the same Moscow with a strongly tightened belt ...
            2. 41st region
              41st region 1 November 2020 11: 06 New
              0
              "While the fat one dries, the thin one dies." Who is fat, who is thin, it is difficult to make a mistake. But you can. laughing
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 1 November 2020 14: 24 New
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                Quote: 41st region
                "While the fat one dries, the thin one dies." Who is fat, who is thin, it is difficult to make a mistake. But you can.

                Considering the Moscow prices for ... everything, you have to be not just fat, but downright a world overweight champion ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 27 October 2020 13: 48 New
      +6
      Finish the article by the author, "the icebreaker fleet is needed to develop the Arctic oil and gas fields, with the subsequent sale of this raw material to the damned West." Icebreakers are built for budget money.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 16: 23 New
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        Quote: Civil
        "the icebreaker fleet is needed to develop Arctic oil and gas fields, with the subsequent sale of this raw material

        You're right. But if not our moneybags do it, then the Western ones will come. And the question here is "what or who is better." Of course, if the guys from the Middle Kingdom or the sons of Uncle Sam come, then there will be little good.
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 27 October 2020 16: 36 New
          +2
          Well, you can still sit like a dog in the manger, forbid and not let go. And with fierce envy and malice to look at those who extract. Also an option, eh? negative
        2. Civil
          Civil 27 October 2020 17: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          But if not our moneybags do it, then the Western ones will come. And the question here is "what or who is better." Of course, if the guys from the Middle Kingdom or the sons of Uncle Sam come, then there will be little good.

          How are these, no doubt, wonderful people different from each other? Given the general London residence?
        3. Elturisto
          Elturisto 2 November 2020 19: 49 New
          0
          Who is your "our" -abramovich, Mikhelson, Timchenko?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 November 2020 20: 15 New
            0
            Quote: ElTuristo
            Who is your "our" -abramovich, Mikhelson, Timchenko?

            Well, drive them away, this is your country.
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 27 October 2020 16: 31 New
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        And to read the article carefully and entirely, apparently, is not destiny?
        Since the main buyers of raw materials are the countries of East Asia, the icebreakers will follow mainly in the direction of the Pacific region. Their launch is also interesting for Russia from the point of view of additional financial opportunities that are opening up.
      3. DrEng527
        DrEng527 27 October 2020 17: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        Icebreakers are built for budget money.

        not only, and Mikhelson doesn't even pay taxes properly with LNG request
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 27 October 2020 19: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      Russia has two allies, an army and a navy. Russia can and should build an icebreaker fleet.

      This means that icebreakers have where and from what to build. We have qualified personnel, technologies and equipment. And destroyers, and even more so aircraft carriers, you see, no. Well, an aircraft carrier, especially a springboard, cannot be so structurally and technologically more complicated than an icebreaker. Even, perhaps, it is simpler, since there is no armored nose and bottom, no ballast tanks, no pumps attached to them. Or maybe it's the lack of money?
      1. Beregovic_1
        Beregovic_1 27 October 2020 23: 07 New
        0
        is where
        Nowhere. In the dry dock of the shipyard "Zvezda" in Bolshoy Kamen it was planned, but "suddenly" it turned out that there was not enough depth of the dock, since the draft at the icebreaker was large. They can build not in the dock, but then it is necessary to roll up before descending to the floating dock. And the existing floating dock "Leader" is not included in width. There are no more slipways for the construction of ships of this size in the country. Where will they build ??? In general, the plant was built for the Afromax for the export of LNG, and there was not a single state-minded official thinking ahead. The dry dock was built, but it is not suitable for the Leader. More details on Balancer, there is a whole thread. So, wet Mriyas according to Leaders remain mriyas for now. Sorry if you hurt the patriotism of the brain. Ready for cons)))
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 31 October 2020 20: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Beregovyhok_1
          So, wet Mriyas according to Leaders remain mriyas for now.

          How could they have miscalculated, if they had already prepared materials for the Leaders, started all the preparatory work, but then it turned out that there were no docks? What exemplary bunglers are sitting there!
          1. Beregovic_1
            Beregovic_1 31 October 2020 22: 40 New
            0
            There is a dock, but the depth is not the same. They will most likely be taken out of the dock on pontoons, and unfinished, in order to maximize the weight, and hence reduce the draft.
            What exemplary bunglers are sitting there!
            I would call them worse. All this could be foreseen and inexpensively corrected. And now engineers will break their brains, how to get this bandura out of the flawed dock. A huge plant was built for 1 project of a gas carrier, and then at least the grass would not grow. And such structures are built for decades. Irresponsibility, cowardice and incompetence squared.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 1 November 2020 14: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Beregovyhok_1
              There is a dock, but the depth is not the same.

              Then the question is - where does the infa come from? And then, I remember, one former colleague of my father sang all sorts of songs about how his former native plant could not produce certain products, while the plant regularly shipped it ... They just kicked out the man, so he got angry ...
  2. Machito
    Machito 27 October 2020 11: 08 New
    -3
    Icebreakers need to be armed.
    1. And Makarov
      And Makarov 27 October 2020 11: 21 New
      20
      Quote: Bearded
      Icebreakers need to be armed

      Not only. We need to develop infrastructure in the North.
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 October 2020 14: 08 New
        +1
        In the film "Garage", the institute bred frost-resistant monkeys, ostensibly for knocking down cedar cones along the Northern Sea Route. Happened?
        1. Operator
          Operator 27 October 2020 15: 55 New
          -1
          Do you not know laughing
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 27 October 2020 11: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Bearded
      Icebreakers need to be armed.

      They have, as a rule, according to the project, the installation of weapons is provided (places are reserved for installation), and the weapons themselves are stored and stored at the basing points, until a special period.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 12: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: neri73-r
        They, as a rule, have a project for the installation of weapons (reserved places for installation)

        All Soviet ships from the construction (especially the MRKh ships) had a military designation according to the project and were equipped with special equipment, depending on the purpose. It was obligatory to equip ships with SVZ, FGU, FVU systems. On ships built in 60s, foundations for weapons were installed with cables connected to the main switchboard, and brought out to the areas of the foundations. All ships required "naval training" with schedules, which were handed over upon arrival at the port, and also a knowledge test. In each "office" there were divisions of the Navy, headed by a naval officer in the rank of "caperang". For poor performance of the VMP, the l / s lost part of the bonus for the flight.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Bearded
      Icebreakers need to be armed.

      An icebreaker and an armed icebreaker have different functions. It is necessary to build both.
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 11: 24 New
    +4
    Now the main thing for the budget is to find funds for the construction of icebreakers.
    Probably, this was the starting point for the article. And devote to how to get that kind of money. And he has such a budget, he will endure any figures.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And devote to how to get that kind of money.

      Yes, everything can be done at the expense of the same developers of oil, gas, coal. No money for icebreakers, no mining license.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 28 New
    -1
    This is a reason for pride, but there is no doubt that the constant competition in the Arctic region makes us not stop there and continue the development of the nuclear and conventional icebreaker fleet.

    For Russia, the Arctic and its development is now the top priority task.
    1. Deck
      Deck 27 October 2020 17: 20 New
      +2
      For Russia, the Arctic and its development is now the top priority task.


      With what fright? The merchant fleet is almost gone. When was the last bulk carrier or container ship built in our country?
      This is the most important task for the daring master of the budget in the main. In particular, Rosatom.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 27 October 2020 17: 32 New
        +4
        Russia is preparing to build three of the world's most powerful nuclear-powered icebreakers of the Leader project. This is stated in the presidential decree
        And how many such decrees were there? For 10 years there has been talk about this Leader and nothing is done further. These talkers will not build anything.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 October 2020 20: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Deck
        With what fright? The merchant fleet is almost gone.

        I have already written here, albeit a little, but this is a whole complex, and these are not only icebreakers, but also much more.
        Well, about the fleet, this is a sore subject even in the USSR. Then the same bulk carriers and containers were built abroad. And now the Ukrainian shipyards, the German Democratic Republic, Polish, Romanian are gone. You yourself know what is left on the territory of Russia, and the main fleet of the construction of the Russian shipyard is the Navy. And this is what the state builds. And the merchant, fish and river fleets have died, there is not a single state shipping company and MPH associations, with the exception of fish collective farms.
        1. Deck
          Deck 27 October 2020 21: 34 New
          0
          Sovcomflot has not yet been fully privatized. And the construction of expensive in operation nuclear icebreakers so that Mikhelson would live better? I think that atomic because there are no diesels and are not expected
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 October 2020 00: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Deck
            I think that atomic because there are no diesels and are not expected

            Almost all diesel-electric icebreakers, even Soviet ones, were of Finnish construction, and even Canadian. The last of the Mohicans of the State Fleet is Sovcomflot, and it will most likely be stolen by next year. We also know where tankers and gas carriers will go and go. But icebreakers work for the oligarchs at the expense of the state.
  5. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 27 October 2020 11: 35 New
    11
    "First of all, they will have to accompany tankers with raw materials from the fields of Yamal and the Gydan Peninsula, as well as from the shelf of the Kara Sea."
    That's the whole point - we build icebreakers at the expense of the budget, which for mining companies, with a maximum of 50% of statehood, will basically work .. Moreover, the cost of each is as 4-5 Boreyev .. The Sechins and Millers will be happy - profit for icebreakers no need to spend ..
  6. IC
    IC 27 October 2020 11: 39 New
    11
    Numerous discussions of mass transportation of goods THROUGH THE NSR are surprising in the absence of real economic calculations. The main thing is the calculation of the cost of transportation, taking into account the costs of construction, operation of icebreakers, ice-class vessels and the associated infrastructure. Also the comparison is in terms of money, not miles with traditional routes.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 11: 56 New
      +9
      Numerous discussions of mass transportation of goods THROUGH THE NSR are surprising in the absence of real economic calculations.
      ... That's for sure. Icebreaking assistance in non-freezing ports is quite expensive (there are anomalies), but here is the NSR. The price of icebreaker assistance and the price of other services for the passage of the NSR are interesting, it is not thought that it will be cheap, otherwise all the construction of icebreakers and the necessary infrastructure will simply not pay off, or it will pay off for quite a long time.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 27 October 2020 12: 55 New
        +6
        It's like with gas pipelines. We have configured a lot, but now questions arise with their fullness.
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 27 October 2020 11: 42 New
    +8
    strategic importance for the country in the face of growing competition in the Arctic.

    Competition with whom? No one goes there except for the Russian Federation.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 27 October 2020 12: 43 New
      -4
      Quote: A. Privalov
      strategic importance for the country in the face of growing competition in the Arctic.

      Competition with whom? No one goes there except for the Russian Federation.

      Well, this is for now, and then just have time to fight back ... the USA, China and the rest ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 27 October 2020 13: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        Well, this is for now, and then just have time to fight back ... the USA, China and the rest ...

        Something doubts gnaw at me ...
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 27 October 2020 13: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Something doubts gnaw at me ...

          look at the picture:
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 27 October 2020 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Something doubts gnaw at me ...

            look at the picture:
            ]

            The picture is excellent, no words. However, as I see it, this is not all.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 27 October 2020 14: 27 New
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              However, as I see it, this is not all.

              of course, there are also hydrocarbons ...
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 27 October 2020 14: 35 New
                -2
                They are somewhere, of course.
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 28 October 2020 08: 17 New
            +4
            You are oversimplifying the question .. for the route St. Petersburg-Vladivostok, yes, the correct picture .. but for example for Turkey-Vietnam? why do they need SMP? I already wrote detailed calculations .. the route along the Suez to Tokyo goes past 24 major ports, the path to most of which through the NSR will be very strange .. The NSR does not pass by any port of international importance .. a very limited number of customers can be covered, and the costs to create colossal .. if it pays off, then in 100 years .. probably ..
            And what to say, we read the article carefully: "First of all, they will have to accompany tankers with raw materials from the fields of Yamal and the Gydan Peninsula, as well as from the shelf of the Kara Sea." this does not apply to your picture hi
  8. Dikson
    Dikson 27 October 2020 11: 59 New
    +4
    The purpose of building a giant ship is not entirely clear. A kind of greetings from Stalin's times - multi-turreted giant tanks of Tukhachevsky, multi-engine giant aircraft, useless except for parades .. For the permanent operation of the NSR, you just need a large series of powerful icebreakers of the same type for escorting caravans and a series of smaller icebreakers to ensure year-round operation of seaports that will service the work of the NSR. No single super-super giants and leaders are simply not needed .. It is enough to look at the unfortunate nuclear-powered ship "Sevmorput" .. - a good ship .. but there are no tasks for it .. - a ridiculous attempt to carry fish with a lighter carrier .. in portions that a regular SMRT can deliver maybe ..)) Nuclear-powered ships of the "Arktika" series coped well with all the tasks in the Arctic, it is clear that at present there are new requirements and tasks ..
    1. Deck
      Deck 27 October 2020 17: 25 New
      0
      The purpose of building a giant ship is not entirely clear.


      The price of this vessel is quite a clear goal for people who pay for advertising for the "development of the north", and of the budget for their loved ones. But this is in small print, at the bottom of the page.
    2. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 27 October 2020 23: 17 New
      +2
      The purpose of building a giant ship is not entirely clear
      The goal is just clear. The whole feature in the icebreaker's width is 47 meters. Specifically for the width of the gas carriers. The only question is, will Yamal LNG be profitable and will the volumes planned for export be contracted? Or the mattresses will wait until we set up the "leaders" and "Afromax", and then gracefully impose sanctions on LNG, lower prices for their LNG, or do some other dirty trick, like with SP-2 ...
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 28 October 2020 05: 45 New
        +3
        Once again - ONE icebreaker - one caravan .. what kind of regular movement along the NSR are we talking about then ..? The rest will wait two weeks for the posting? During this time they will already pass Suez ..))
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 29 October 2020 09: 37 New
          0
          By the time the Leader is built, there will be 5 Project 22220 icebreakers in service, and the Vaigach and Taimyr are not old yet ... The rest will be written off, KMK ... In general, it is enough for caravan escort.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 29 October 2020 12: 05 New
            +1
            This is understandable .. But if we are talking about the critical width of tankers and container ships amidships .. "Taimyr" and "Vaigach" definitely do not fit .. except for supporting roles .. project 22220 - yes .. that is sufficient. But then again my question is - why did he give up, this super project, if the series 22220 will be ??? For beauty and pride?
            1. Beregovic_1
              Beregovic_1 29 October 2020 22: 17 New
              0
              It seems like ice is thicker in winter, and 22220 has certain limitations on the ice thickness that can be overcome. The "Leader", with its 4 meters, is able to conduct ships all year round
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 29 October 2020 22: 20 New
                +1
                fairy tales all this .. the first Arctic at 77 quite calmly broke 3 meters and reached the pole without problems .. no normal icebreaker captain would climb into the hummocks. - there is always another way .. and heavy pack ice in the Arctic goes north ..
              2. Dikson
                Dikson 29 October 2020 22: 25 New
                +1
                just read. when the first pilotage took place under the project of year-round navigation along the NSR ..)) it was about 75-80 years ... and what icebreakers did it ..))
                1. Beregovic_1
                  Beregovic_1 29 October 2020 22: 36 New
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                  Beauty and pride are also an important factor))). And also the revival of the heavy industry in general and shipbuilding in particular, the strengthening of the presence in the Arctic (7-8 heavy nuclear icebreakers is more than 4 current ones). Well, I drank budget tugriks, where without it ...
  9. iouris
    iouris 27 October 2020 12: 02 New
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    Russia's prospects in the Arctic are endless: there is no one else in the Arctic. When can I wash my boots in the Indian Ocean?
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 October 2020 12: 25 New
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    This is very good news. Our NSR and northern latitudes must be developed economically as quickly as possible.
    1. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 27 October 2020 14: 04 New
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      took the globe and ... all issues are resolved! out of nowhere on the horizon, my handsome icebreaker appeared!
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 October 2020 12: 51 New
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    Yes, with logistics, we have ahovo. Through the whole country, 1200 tons of metal were delivered to the Zvezda to book the Leader, we have nothing closer. We do not look abroad. By the way, liars from the State Department work very seriously on the Star, the same thing walks along the branches of the tyrnet with a marine theme I almost got caught myself. Good sailors, they pressed him to the wall. hi
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 27 October 2020 13: 27 New
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      Sorry metal from Cherepovets, from Severstal. Thickness up to 70 mm.
  12. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 27 October 2020 13: 19 New
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    The Far North to a very promising region, where new industrial enterprises, logistics centers and even settlements will appear. This strategy of the Russian state, by the way, is quite frightening for the Western countries.
    You will have to build and master a lot, but if it is reasonable, then this is only a plus.
    Strategically important region. We are doing the right thing that we are developing directions in which we are strong))
  13. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 27 October 2020 13: 52 New
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    quilted jackets! what are you capable of? to build icebreakers? take an example from ukraine: he buys 60-year old junk for crazy money. for that Russia is not all washed and drunk. (there is a bathhouse at each hut, and the Ukrainians wash in a tub.)
  14. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 27 October 2020 14: 24 New
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    what
    Icebreaker displacement with wake draft - about 70 thousand tons.

    Please, enlighten me did not understand such a calculation of displacement.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 27 October 2020 14: 31 New
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      Quote: Lynx2000
      what
      Icebreaker displacement with wake draft - about 70 thousand tons.

      Please, enlighten me did not understand such a calculation of displacement.

      That is to say - full (Constructive waterline (CWL), and not along the wake line - this is an afftor error. 50 kilotons is not full / standard.
  15. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 27 October 2020 14: 45 New
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    Just about, immediately hurts the eye.
    Displacement, standard displacement, deadweight, gross and light tonnage, I understand ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 27 October 2020 21: 35 New
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      Quote: Lynx2000
      deadway

      As far as I remember from VK, this is the full displacement without flooding the ship ...
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 27 October 2020 23: 38 New
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        Yes. Weight (in tonnes) of all cargo, fuel, dry food, supplies, etc. carried on board.
        When calculating the deadweight, Light tonnage (minus consumables, fuel, oils ...), the weight of the ship from the shipyard are subtracted from the ship's displacement.

        what
        I'm interested in the following: Rosmorport and Atomflot have org. -the legal form of the enterprise -FGUP.
        According to the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 2008, a forecast plan for the privatization of FSUEs was approved.
        First, the form is changed to Z (P) JSC, the second stage is corporatization, the sale of part of the state share ...
        Will it not turn out that "Leaders" as a national property will later become private?
        I suspect that the corporatization of Rosmorport will end with the fact that the "tasty" berth walls may also be private ...
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 28 October 2020 00: 10 New
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          FSUEs will never become private, as a maximum of 50% + 1, it will be of the type of JSC ... everything depends on the "Darkest", as HE says ...
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 28 October 2020 00: 34 New
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            What's the question?! They can pass a separate law. There have already been examples of such corporatization. Especially when, in such a procedure, federal property is transferred to the management of the FAR.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 28 October 2020 00: 37 New
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              were, but the question is, WFP will go to the betrayal personally, or, as usual, will substitute someone else ...
  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav 28 October 2020 14: 01 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    Russia can and should build an icebreaker fleet.

    Ice navigation ships, supply and repair bases, new ports and port points, hydrographic support, new settlements of modern housing with appropriate living conditions. It is not easy to build a huge number of icebreakers.

    So that's good. This is the development of the Arctic region. Those. the decision to build icebreakers essentially means the start of a program for the development of the entire region.
  17. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 28 October 2020 18: 52 New
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    Quote: A Makarov
    Quote: Bearded
    Icebreakers need to be armed

    Not only. We need to develop infrastructure in the North.

    and the population is needed there ...... Here is a hectare of land and your wife too ..... for children, if there are adults, they are good luck ........ but you won't eat .. ..... it is warm and dry in Muscovy, food is in abundance ..... Russia supplies .......
  18. Dikson
    Dikson 28 October 2020 21: 10 New
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    Here's the latest news ... Since October 15, the Norwegian Coast Guard military icebreaker KV Svalbard with 55 officers and scientists on board representing the Coordinated Arctic Acoustic Thermometry Experiment (CAATEX) project has been touring the exclusive economic zone of Russia along one of the Northern sea ​​route without any permits and notifications from the relevant Russian departments, so zealously guarding this route ... He passed the FZI, passed the Northern Land and moves on to Alaska .. On the way, checking and installing buoys for "tracking global warming" .. Map route. and information - on the Internet .. Machines for removing signatures from our submarines are likely to be included in the buoy set? Our Ministry of Defense has not issued any comments yet.