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Farewell to the Soviet shipbuilding legacy: Nikolaev Shipyard declared bankrupt

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Nikolaev Shipyard, once one of the largest shipbuilding flagships in the Soviet Union, has declared itself bankrupt. According to Ukrainian media, the plant was not helped by either the money of the Ukroboronprom, or the repairs of the ships and boats of the Ukrainian Navy.


The bankruptcy procedure was initiated at the initiative of the plant itself, which for a long time has not had the funds to pay its employees. The corresponding decision was made on October 16 this year by the Economic Court of the Nikolaev region.

According to the state register, the founder of the state enterprise "Nikolaev Shipyard" is the state concern "Ukroboronprom", which transferred in 2019 as financial assistance to the plant 54,8 million hryvnia to pay off wage arrears. Also, 31,7 million hryvnias were transferred to pay compensation for untimely paid wages, as well as taxes and fees related to the calculation of wages. However, financial injections did not help.

The main reason for the bankruptcy of the enterprise is the lack of orders for ships and the complete severance of ties with Russia. Recently, the plant carried out only the repair of old ships and boats from the Navy.

Earlier it was reported that the enterprise could stay afloat after the allegedly signed Zelensky decree on the demilitarization of the cruiser "Ukraine" came into force, which went to the Ministry of Defense and was lost somewhere there. The second option for restoring the plant was called the transfer of the construction of the newest Ukrainian corvette to it. As you know, neither the one nor this project was implemented.

In Ukrainian social networks news about the bankruptcy of the Nikolaev shipyard did not cause a big stir, if only on the local, Nikolaev portals. The main idea of ​​the comments is that the plant has long gone bankrupt and, in the absence of orders from outside, has finally turned into a "repair shop".

Finally, they brought the enterprise ... the communists

how can something that has not worked for a long time be bankrupt?

Previously, this plant gave the name and pride of shipbuilders, but now it has become a shame for the country.

Everyone has forgotten, in 2011 the plant was already declared bankrupt

It is noted that the farewell to the Soviet shipbuilding heritage and technological power has actually taken place completely.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 27 October 2020 09: 44
    40
    Hoh-ly pooped worse than the Nazis.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 27 October 2020 10: 00
      25
      And once they built Aircraft Carriers! I just don't understand how such an enterprise can be ruined? How many people will go to Geyrope to feed the Family.
      1. Temples
        Temples 27 October 2020 10: 11
        36
        They did not build ho-hly.

        It is not necessary to break, build, mind is not necessary.

        They wanted to go to Europe, so let them go.
        Thoughts are material.

        There is a saying
        - needed where was born.

        But for a modern person, this idea is alien.

        Now many want to jump out of their place and go to another land for benefits. Where it is better.
        They say life is one and you need to live it in comfort.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 27 October 2020 10: 19
        53
        Is it much better in Russia? There are no walls left from the Saratov Aviation Plant, once the largest in Europe. The Tushino machine-building plant under Soviet rule built "Burany", now it has been completely destroyed ... The same nuclear submarines with a "rotten scoop" were built at 4 shipyards, and now with difficulty at one ... Our "democrats" differ from the Ukrainian ones only one thing - ours just got more from the USSR, and the vector for the destruction and liquidation of the country's industrial potential, both ours and the Ukrainian, is about the same ...
        1. Rubi0
          Rubi0 27 October 2020 10: 30
          14
          Well, the same submarines and airplanes are now not distributed to all Polish people for their beautiful eyes. In order for this to work in the same volumes, it is necessary to create a sales market a la analogue of NATO and then push it to spend 2-4% on defense and, of course, according to our standards.
        2. Fungus
          Fungus 27 October 2020 10: 32
          27
          Much. We are already ahead of the USSR in shipbuilding. Plus, we are building less than South Korea only in the world. So we have gone through the 90s long ago, unlike Ukraine.
        3. bobba94
          bobba94 27 October 2020 13: 27
          +1
          Do you need snowstorms now? That's the same ..... that's why the Tushino machine-building plant is not needed. Regarding the largest in Europe, the Saratov aircraft building plant, I will say that a good agricultural harvester plant was once built, which, with the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, began to produce Yak-1 fighters. Then he produced passenger Yak-40 and Yak-42. To understand why there were no walls left from this plant, it is enough to look at the statistics of accidents and disasters that occurred with passenger Yaks. About the construction of the nuclear submarine ........ let's just say, let's say in Lenin's way: "Better less, but better."
          1. orcinus
            orcinus 28 October 2020 14: 19
            +4
            Don't talk nonsense about disasters! This plant filled the poverty of medium and short-haul DOMESTIC aircraft! Remember this when you scratch the front seat of a Boeing or airbus with your knees!
          2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 49
            +1
            The Yak-42 had no disasters. He is the best in this regard. You don't have to carry a blizzard, even in a patriotic frenzy, right?
            1. bobba94
              bobba94 28 October 2020 19: 50
              -1
              I don’t even know who to believe ..... comrades from the Internet who give statistics indicating the year, the location of the Yak-42 accidents or comrade Andrey. Some say that there were only 42 accidents with the Yak-8 and the death toll was 569 people, while another says that the Yak-42 is the best in this regard (?!) And there is no need to drive a blizzard. I agree with the statement that in "this regard," the Yak-42 is better than the Yak-40, which has 107 accidents in which 1010 people died (I do not write the word disaster so as not to frighten comrade Andrew)
            2. alex967
              alex967 29 October 2020 07: 13
              0
              What did the Lokomotiv team from Yaroslavl crash on?
          3. Campanella
            Campanella 30 October 2020 13: 52
            0
            Snowstorms? Yes, the Yeltsin authorities did not need anything! Plump, fuck and steal!
        4. unknown
          unknown 28 October 2020 07: 34
          +1
          Why do the colonies need such enterprises?
        5. Stepan S
          Stepan S 28 October 2020 08: 37
          +3
          In the ranking of countries in the world shipbuilding, Russia took the second position in the third quarter of 2020 - the volume of Russian tonnage in shipbuilding over the past three months amounted to 860 thousand CGT, which is 30 thousand registered tons more than China, which took this time the third line of the rating.
          So everything is much better in Russia if you don't know.
          1. Alexander I
            Alexander I 28 October 2020 14: 36
            +3
            You will be minded, because there are few new enterprises and they are reluctant to talk about it, and the plants and enterprises closed after the collapse of the USSR are sea.
          2. Campanella
            Campanella 30 October 2020 13: 55
            0
            It's like in that joke "last year we planted 10 hectares of cannabis ... all of it was eaten by aphids, this year we will plant 30 hectares of cannabis, Let her damn choke!"
        6. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 47
          0
          It is not necessary to pass off what you wish for our reality.
        7. Egor53
          Egor53 29 October 2020 09: 38
          0
          "Are we much better in Russia?"

          Everything is going very well in shipbuilding in Russia. Russia took the 2nd place in the world in terms of shipbuilding volumes.
          We build more ships than in the entire EU or the USA.

          https://pikabu.ru/story/rossiya_vyishla_na_vtoroe_mesto_v_mire_po_obyomam_sudostroeniya_za_tretiy_kvartal_2020g_7759446

          It was in the 90s that everything collapsed in our country, and now it is very much under construction. I would like even more.
          1. Wolverine
            Wolverine 29 October 2020 13: 05
            -1
            And in detail the reasons that are indicated in the article are not destiny to consecrate? They broke into second place because finally, after it is not clear how many years of postponements, 22220 were finished off. And about Zvezda: Afromax sections in Korea are assembled, Zvezda only assembles ready-made blocks brought from Korea. It is also necessary to grunt wisely so as not to look shameful
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 27 October 2020 10: 36
        +7
        The last time potbelly stoves were cooked in atoms.
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 50
          0
          Well, let them rot there with them. I will not regret it. Nobody ...
      4. figwam
        figwam 27 October 2020 10: 41
        19
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And once they built Aircraft Carriers!

        Well, it was the USSR who built it, the outskirts were part of a superpower, now such projects cannot be pulled and it remains only to remember how planes, ships and missiles were serially built, now the Poles will teach them how to work.
      5. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 10: 43
        -2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And once they built Aircraft Carriers! I just don't understand how such an enterprise can be ruined?


        It is very simple - it is enough not to order the construction of aircraft-carrying cruisers.
      6. Varyag71
        Varyag71 27 October 2020 10: 43
        +1
        Just as in Russia, a lot of enterprises were ruined.
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 28 October 2020 08: 42
          +3
          It was ditched in the holy nineties. After the collapse of the USSR, no one needed such volumes of shipbuilding, and the policy of the liberals contributed to this - to buy everything in the West. Now the vast majority of factories are working and are 100% loaded with orders. And what shipyard "Zvezda" was built in the Far East? In Russia, vessels of this tonnage have never been built before.
      7. g1v2
        g1v2 27 October 2020 11: 47
        23
        All these enterprises were part of a single complex. After the break with Russia, they are not stupidly viable. It's like a hand cut off from the body. The body can live without it, but the hand cannot. All such enterprises in Ukraine will sooner or later face the same fate. Now they are dying and sooner or later they will die completely. The agrarian farm country does not need all this. request
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 27 October 2020 13: 19
          +5
          Farewell to the cruiser "Ukraine" ... hi
        2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 52
          +1
          The hand imagines itself more important and smarter than the body with the head. .. Now a straight road - to the jellied meat ...
      8. Kot-54rus
        Kot-54rus 27 October 2020 15: 11
        +4
        Not only were warships built on it, it was practically the main supplier of floating bases and fishing seiners.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 27 October 2020 20: 24
          19
          You are confusing. And everyone who writes poorly understands. In fact, there are FOUR shipyards in Nikolaev. There were. Now the two largest are in ruins as after the war, on the third there is still life and are doing some minor repairs. On the fourth (smallest) grain tycoon Vadatursky builds barges for transporting grain to the roadstead. Now they are going to arrange SKD assembly of boats from French and English supplies.
          And this plant (previously it was called the Nikolaev Shipyard named after 61 Communards) is not a simple plant. Nikolaev began with him. He built a lot of things. The most famous are the battleship Potemkin and the battleship Empress Maria, submarines, ocean-going refrigerators. Recently, I have been interrupted by a meager little thing.
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 28 October 2020 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: KoT-54rus
          Not only were warships built on it, it was practically the main supplier of floating bases and fishing seiners.

          The 61 Communards plant has NEVER built any floating bases (neither civilian nor military), nor seiners. ChSZ built floating bases for submarines, fish-processing floating bases and floating factories for the USSR were built in Poland and Japan. Kitobases "Soviet Ukraine" and "Soviet Russia" were built at ChSZ. And the plant named after 61 Communards built military SHIPS: submarines, patrol boats, destroyers, BODs ("swan song" - four Atlanta, three of them are still in the Russian Navy), - and civilian SHIPS: PRs, ocean refrigerators.
      9. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 27 October 2020 15: 24
        +9
        because this is not their plant, but a Soviet one.
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 28 October 2020 06: 15
          +3
          This one is even of the Russian Empire. But ... "goodbye unwashed Russia ..."
          Bye, non-brothers. Burn on.
      10. IC
        IC 28 October 2020 01: 34
        +2
        This is a plant named after. 61 communal apartments. He built BODs, missile cruisers and refrigerators. The aircraft-carrying cruisers were built by the Black Sea plant. Another Ocean plant built OBO 110 thousand tons and bulk carriers 50 thousand tons
      11. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 28 October 2020 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And once they built Aircraft Carriers!

        Neither aircraft-carrying cruisers nor aircraft carriers were ever built at the 61 Communards plant! They were built at ANOTHER Nikolaev plant - ChSZ.
      12. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 46
        0
        A tablecloth for them ...
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 27 October 2020 10: 57
      19
      “Well, what are we going to do now?” Said Taras, looking straight into his eyes.

      But Andriy did not know anything to say, and stood with his eyes downcast in the ground.

      - What, son, did your Poles help you?

      Andriy was unrequited.

      - So sell? sell faith? sell yours? "Quote from the story" Taras Bulba "by Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol What else can be added here .... Is that - Shame and disgrace is the current Ukraine. Very disappointing .
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 55
        +2
        This politically harmful film is banned in Ukraine ... Only the meaning remains.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 28 October 2020 15: 58
          0
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          This politically harmful film is banned in Ukraine ... Only the meaning remains.

          Was Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol and the story "Taras Bulba" also banned? In our time of the Internet it is impossible to forbid knowledge.
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 27 October 2020 11: 17
      +9
      Are they the only ones? Since the 90s, all over the Union began to destroy what the grandfathers and fathers built, delighting our enemies. The Belarusians held on. But even there now not everything, thank God.
    4. Volder
      Volder 27 October 2020 11: 57
      10
      Quote: Temples
      Hoh-ly pooped worse than the Nazis.
      Shit on ourselves. Decommunization continues. Even President Ze could not help the "literate" Ukrainian managers who consider themselves better and smarter than the "lapfoots" from the neighboring "laughing power". The efficiency goes off scale below the minus. Meanwhile, Russia took the 2nd place in terms of shipbuilding in the world.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 October 2020 12: 11
        14
        Quote: Volder
        Even President Ze could not help the "literate" Ukrainian managers who consider themselves better and smarter than the "lapfoots" from the neighboring "laughing power". The efficiency goes off scale below the minus.

        He-he-he ... competent managers in Ukraine managed to manage to the point that even their gold mining enterprise became unprofitable. smile
        No kidding: they really did it. The scheme is very simple: at first they chose all the easily mined gold, without investing a single drop in the enterprise. And then it suddenly turned out that the "light" gold was out, and equipment was needed to maintain profitability in the extraction of more difficult reserves. There is nothing to buy. And without it, the amount of gold mined does not cover the costs. As a result, a potentially profitable enterprise with good gold reserves went into a deep minus.
      2. IC
        IC 28 October 2020 01: 35
        -4
        2nd place is fake
    5. cniza
      cniza 27 October 2020 13: 25
      +5
      Quote: Temples
      Hoh-ly pooped worse than the Nazis.


      And most of all they shit on themselves ...
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 October 2020 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: Temples
      Hoh-ly pooped worse than the Nazis.

      Not Ukrainians, but agents of influence, provocateurs and traitors. The people as a whole cannot be blamed. We also had EBN, which also destroyed the country and closed factories, factories, educational institutions, etc. ... so, in your opinion, the people did all this? It was done by a handful of bastards who got to power, and who were abundantly financed by the West ... This is what we see in Ukraine as well.
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 28 October 2020 15: 59
        0
        But we didn’t jump and didn’t fight in ecstasy shouting "Moskalyaku (Ukrainians) to the gilyaka (to the gallows)!" So I will not say anything about the "people as a whole" ... God is their judge, but I - no, I will not accept it and I will be careful not to turn my back.
    7. Alien From
      Alien From 27 October 2020 18: 55
      +1
      No wonder. The country will soon be declared bankrupt.
    8. Piramidon
      Piramidon 27 October 2020 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: Temples
      Hoh-ly pooped worse than the Nazis.

      To be completely honest, they shit and continue to shit everywhere. We had a plant in Kurgan KZKT them. Karbyshev. From it only the buildings of the workshops remained, in which the shopping center "RIO" was located.

      But we buy wheeled chassis from "Batka", which is why he blackmails us.
  2. VORON538
    VORON538 27 October 2020 09: 47
    30
    Nothing, citizens of ukraine why do you need your own shipbuilding? Abroad will help you. They will give you a loan for which you will buy some used boats. Only here is the snag for you: unlike Russia, which often writes off debts to other states, countries the West will take everything from you, you will return it with interest! It's your choice.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2020 09: 48
    20
    Independence implies responsibility. And here the authorities first of all perceived independence as an opportunity for personal enrichment.
    1. Temples
      Temples 27 October 2020 10: 00
      15
      Quote: APASUS
      Independence means ...

      The concept of independence has nothing to do with Ukraine.
      1. unknown
        unknown 28 October 2020 07: 37
        -3
        Yes, and to Russia, too.
    2. halpat
      halpat 27 October 2020 10: 07
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      Independence implies responsibility. And here the authorities first of all perceived independence as an opportunity for personal enrichment.

      And they are regularly re-elected to state power (over themselves) by the labor collectives of Nikolayevsky and others, which have turned into rusty ruins, of the most powerful Soviet factories built by the efforts of the entire USSR on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
      Moreover, they are still jumping and bawling "fat dropped" from time to time ...
      I don’t feel sorry for them for a penny ... they managed themselves so.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 October 2020 10: 49
        +6
        Quote: Halpat
        And they are regularly re-elected to state power (over themselves) by the labor collectives of Nikolayevsky and others, which have turned into rusty ruins, of the most powerful Soviet factories built by the efforts of the entire USSR on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.

        This is such a national sport in Ukraine - the new government curses the old, but it turns out that life was better under the old!
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 27 October 2020 10: 55
        +9
        Learn the history of "lord" communist. do not stoop to skakuas, the shipyard was founded during the RI.
        The construction of the first shipyard in Nikolaev was started in 1787, in 1788 the shipyard was put into operation under the name Nikolaev Admiralty. On August 25, 1790, the first ship, the sailing frigate "Saint Nicholas", was launched here.
        1. halpat
          halpat 27 October 2020 18: 25
          +5
          Quote: Squelcher
          Learn the history of "lord" communist. do not stoop to skakuas, the shipyard was founded during the RI.
          The construction of the first shipyard in Nikolaev was started in 1787, in 1788 the shipyard was put into operation under the name Nikolaev Admiralty. On August 25, 1790, the first ship, the sailing frigate "Saint Nicholas", was launched here.

          Moreover, colleague hi
          The empire (no matter Tsarist or Soviet - Russian) built, took care.
          Selyuk got it - they stole 10 percent, for which the smart was enough, the rest was destroyed.
          They are everywhere the same, in the former Soviet, there is not a single exception. But the skakuas are a couple of laps ahead ...
    3. DenZ
      DenZ 27 October 2020 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Independence implies responsibility, and here the authorities first of all perceived independence as an opportunity for personal enrichment

      Power itself implies responsibility! Our, some, leaders (I will not elaborate at all) also do not interfere with remembering this, so as not to find then accounts in offshores and villas around the world.
  4. Cowbra
    Cowbra 27 October 2020 09: 48
    20
    Still not dead, but it stinks ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 27 October 2020 20: 10
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      Still not dead, but it stinks ...

      Died and zombified. What nafig horror films about zombies, here the whole country goes dead and decomposes on the go ..
  5. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 09: 49
    +5
    Why Ukraine, its own shipyards, can take a loan in the UK for the construction of boats and build there.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 October 2020 10: 40
      +6
      Buy credits boats of the 70s at the price of a cruiser.
  6. And Makarov
    And Makarov 27 October 2020 09: 49
    24
    What can you say ... Serves them right. The plant is a pity of course. And our shipyards are all overloaded.
    1. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 09: 57
      -15 qualifying.
      And our shipyards are all overloaded.

      We have? On the verge of bankruptcy.
      Shipbuilding in Russia is not profitable. Inefficient production. The shipyards are old. No orders. Only the defense industry helps out.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 27 October 2020 10: 03
        12
        OOO how everything is running, have you lived in an information vacuum deep in Siberia for the last 10 years?
        1. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 06
          -14 qualifying.
          deep in Siberia

          Siberia is yes. Just the place
      2. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 10: 03
        +8
        In Russia, it took the second place in the world in terms of tonnage.
        1. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 05
          -15 qualifying.
          In Russia, it took the second place in the world in terms of tonnage.

          A-ha. Well, they already reported on the radio. Where is this tonnage being built not specified?
          1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
            ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 10: 11
            13
            Maybe not in the subject. I beg your pardon. Usually, when it comes to what place our country occupies in the world shipbuilding, all that remains is to sigh and glance enviously towards the Asian neighbors. China, South Korea and Japan usually have first places in all ratings there, and we are trudging somewhere in the basement with our modest volumes.

            There is a well-known analytical agency Clarkson Research in England, which, among other things, compiles monthly and quarterly ratings of the countries leading in the world shipbuilding. It is Clarkson Research's summaries that are usually used when talking about who to build how much 2020 surprises. South Korea quite naturally took the first place at the end of the quarter. What can we say if its share in the third quarter accounts for 45% of all world shipbuilding! In absolute terms, this is 1,42 million CGT.

            CGT is the register ton. The tonnage of all ships is recalculated into registered tons, so that it is convenient to compare them with each other. The rating takes into account the tonnage.
            But let's see who is there on the list right behind her. Usually, China was South Korea's main rival, but as you already understood, Russia came in second in the third quarter. Our tonnage for the past three months is 860 thousand CGT. And this is 30 thousand registered tons more than that of China, which dropped to third place.
            1. Angelo Provolone
              Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 29
              -15 qualifying.
              There is something that is being built in the country of Russia, for example, and there is something that is being built in Korea. The constructed vessel can be under the flag of Russia. Hence the rating. Well, what's not clear then?
              What matters is not what then goes under the flag, but what matters is how many tons of steel a year is processed at the shipyards. Don't believe propaganda. You are fooled
              1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
                ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 10: 35
                11
                The main thing, your criterion is to throw pseudo-facts in the right direction, to build a lot of ships from civil to military, but in your manuals, this is not written.
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                  1. Vladimir_6
                    Vladimir_6 27 October 2020 11: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Angelo Provolone
                    in the training manualIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with me.

                    deep in Siberia
                    Siberia is yes. Just the place

                    Literate ... Spell correctly - in the training manual.
                    the concept of "shipbuilding" is not.

                    The concept of "shipbuilding" is not.
                2. Beregovic_1
                  Beregovic_1 27 October 2020 22: 43
                  +1
                  The Zvezda shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen allegedly builds super tankers and gas carriers for the NSR. Already launched several. In fact, they are being built in Korea, dragged to the "Zvezda", welded on the nose and lowered. After that, they cheerfully report on the launch of a vessel of 100000 tons. Hence the figures are. True, they promise to localize production soon, but when will it still be ...
                  pseudo-facts
                  Information in direct access. Google, Yandex. If you would like to be more specific - welcome to Balancer.
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 27 October 2020 11: 08
                +7
                Quote: Angelo Provolone
                A-ha. Well, they already reported on the radio. Where is this tonnage being built not specified?

                Quote: Angelo Provolone
                What matters is not what then goes under the flag, but what matters is how many tons of steel a year is processed at the shipyards. Don't believe propaganda. You are fooled

                There would be a desire to find out. Type in the search: "Russia, shipbuilding today" and there is a lot written on this topic. For example: "In a day, six warships were laid down at the Russian shipyards at once" (https://www.rbc.ru/society/20/07/2020/5f15b6859a794740be57fba9)
            2. Angelo Provolone
              Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 33
              -18 qualifying.
              You are Andrei Malakhov, I guess. just as well versed in the subject. you need to pick up the news, spread and shout
            3. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 10: 53
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
              But let's see who is there on the list right behind her. Usually, China was the main rival of South Korea. Yes, as you already understood, Russia came in second in the third quarter.


              Could you please give a link to this list? Because what is on the Clarkson Research website does not include Rossi in the World Shipyard Monitor rating. And the article referenced by what you copied talks about order intake.
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                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 11: 04
                  -9
                  This is not a link to Clarkson Research. And read the comments: they will explain to you that getting orders is not shipbuilding yet. And that Russia simply ended up in second place in terms of orders in the third quarter, and not "leading the world in shipbuilding."
          2. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
            ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 27 October 2020 10: 12
            13
            How are you korezhet, that in Russia is not like you.
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          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 27 October 2020 10: 29
            +7
            Quote: Angelo Provolone
            In Russia, it took the second place in the world in terms of tonnage.

            A-ha. Well, they already reported on the radio. Where is this tonnage being built not specified?

            And yet, yes, whether you like it or not, but Russia came to the second place in shipbuilding, moving China. You can look here -
            https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/rossiya_vyshla_na_vtoroe_mesto_v_mire_po_obemam_sudostroeniya.html
            1. Angelo Provolone
              Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 31
              -16 qualifying.
              the concept of "shipbuilding" is not. There is a concept of the number of processed steel tons / year in shipbuilding. Russia is in second place on this list - from the end. This is yes.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 27 October 2020 10: 46
                12
                Quote: Angelo Provolone
                the concept of "shipbuilding" is not. There is a concept of the number of processed steel tons / year in shipbuilding. Russia is in second place on this list - from the end. This is yes.

                Are you color blind (white is black), or just not in the mood for constructive dialogue?
                1. Angelo Provolone
                  Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 10: 59
                  -15 qualifying.
                  Color blind people were surprised to learn new things about themselves.
              2. RoTTor
                RoTTor 30 October 2020 15: 59
                +1
                NO!
                In shipbuilding, the main result: the number and quality of built ships, not even tonnage, and even more so, not an auxiliary concept - the number of processed steel, Incomparable in this parameter is a non-self-propelled super-barge, a super tanker of 300 tons and a low-tonnage high-speed corvette -stells with the most advanced and modern weapons
            2. Wolverine
              Wolverine 29 October 2020 13: 08
              -3
              I already answered my friend above: how about giving the details of the article here?
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        3. Wolverine
          Wolverine 29 October 2020 13: 07
          -3
          Maybe this fake from different nicknames is enough to copy-paste?
      3. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 27 October 2020 10: 10
        17
        Shipbuilding in Russia is not profitable ... it is strange, but where do the new icebreakers come from, both nuclear and diesel ... and then the Zaliv plant was restored, in Krchi, and in Primorsky near Feodos ... ..what are you tovarische angelo on the fan ....
      4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 27 October 2020 10: 15
        -1
        Quote: Angelo Provolone
        On the verge of bankruptcy.

        Well, if on the verge, then everything is fine.
        Since a grain is an old unit of mass equal to 62.2 mg. (canceled in 1927).
      5. IC
        IC 28 October 2020 01: 41
        +2
        There are also civil orders. Many river sea dry cargo ships, tankers and even began to build cruise ships. Almost all of them are designed by the Marine Engineering Bureau from Odessa. But you are right with a lot of problems.
    2. frruc
      frruc 27 October 2020 10: 06
      +4
      All is not yet lost. The territory of the plant can be used for car parking or for filming Ukrainian TV action movies. In the end, it is possible to establish the production of teapots with a whistle, skvorodok.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 October 2020 10: 51
        +6
        Quote: frruc
        The territory of the plant can be used as a car park or for filming Ukrainian TV action movies. In the end, you can fix whistling kettles release, skvorodok.

        After the Maidan, they have five kettles, pots and pans per capita. There are enough whistles. The main thing has passed, it remains to whistle the remains.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 October 2020 09: 50
    +6
    Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant, once one of the largest shipbuilding flagships in the Soviet Union, started bankruptcy proceedings.
    Another, and very similar to the last.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 October 2020 09: 55
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      Another, and very similar to the last.

      Well yes. The space for the British bases must be cleared. So, the repair shop from the plant may be left, and the rest .... especially since they are "wrong Ukrainians" there, all the time they regretted the break with Russia.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 27 October 2020 09: 58
        +2

        Fidget (Elena)
        Today, 09: 55

        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        Another, and very similar to the last.

        Well yes. The space for the British bases must be cleared. So, the repair shop from the plant may be left, and the rest .... especially since they are "wrong Ukrainians" there, all the time they regretted the break with Russia.
        Helen, hi ... So yes, especially in the light of recent events with arrogance very timely)) started this procedure.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 27 October 2020 10: 18
        +4
        The place for the British bases needs to be vacated ....... the rumor was like the Katarychs bought this plant ... well, in principle, the Britons can settle there, the territory is large. and if VNA 404 fell below the plinth, then the local population will have financial help in the form of lads and children with low social responsibility
  8. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 27 October 2020 09: 52
    +5
    It seems to me that it is not entirely appropriate to focus on "Ukrainianness" here. In all the "splinters" of the former USSR, huge enterprises were closed, which became banally unnecessary
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: BISMARCK94
      In all the "splinters" of the former USSR, huge enterprises were closed, which became banally unnecessary

      Your truth. Under the USSR, raw materials came from the entire Union and the products of these enterprises went to the Union. And now neither one nor the other. And factories are not needed for their needs, there are enough workshops. The end is inevitable, "kyrdik" has come to everything. "And on the bare steppe, free horses and people will walk" (words of the anarchist from the film).
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  10. Ilya098
    Ilya098 27 October 2020 09: 53
    +7
    An inglorious 30-year journey from the cradle of Soviet aircraft carriers to a repair shop and now to bankruptcy ...
    1. IC
      IC 28 October 2020 01: 43
      0
      The aircraft carrier was built by another plant. This one built BOD and missile cruisers.
  11. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 27 October 2020 09: 54
    -22 qualifying.
    started bankruptcy proceedings.

    So what? The owner will change and that's it. And it is not known how it will end.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 27 October 2020 10: 09
      14
      Quote: Angelo Provolone
      So what? The owner will change and that's it. And it is not known how it will end.

      That's about how all the osvidOmlenye and argue, smut - not with Muscovites and mustache will be fine! wassat
      What do you think, will Nenka stop giving birth to boobies?
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    2. DenZ
      DenZ 27 October 2020 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: Angelo Provolone
      And it is not known how it will end.

      It is already known. It's all over, If you are inclined to believe in a miracle backed up by money to restore the shipyard, well, this is your own business.
    3. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 27 October 2020 10: 25
      +1
      Quite a likely outcome. But without large orders, the new owner is unlikely to take this cart out.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 10
      +6
      Quote: Angelo Provolone
      And it is not known how it will end.

      Will not end with anything. He is also a kyrdyk in Africa. Something like this, how the shops of the shipyard (former workshops of the Bellino-Fenderich plant) are being demolished in Odessa between the Marinesko descent, Primorskaya street and Zhvanetsky boulevard.
      1. IC
        IC 28 October 2020 01: 46
        +1
        This is just one of the workshops. The shipyard has been closed for a long time. What is left has been transferred to the port.
  12. Eldorado
    Eldorado 27 October 2020 10: 05
    +4
    Peremoga !!! lol good
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: El Dorado
      Peremoga !!!

      Glory to the heroes!
  13. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 27 October 2020 10: 05
    +6
    a logical ending ... this territorial formation does not need a fleet ... neither civilian ... nor military (as well as aircraft, engine, rocket and space industry, etc.) ... one of the richest republics of the USSR never became a state with independent development goals ... and the remaining ancient Sumerians (cool corrects for riffraff ... very similar) industry is not needed ... as well as any other creation
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: silberwolf88
      this territorial formation does not need a fleet ... neither civilian ... nor military

      We need plows and oxen (beeches).
  14. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 27 October 2020 10: 05
    +3
    I didn't understand: about 2 years ago there was information that they were stoves fellow began to produce. How could they burn out?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: S_Baykala
      about 2 years ago there was information that they began to produce potbelly stoves. How could they burn out?

      They don't buy potbelly stoves, there is nothing to heat them (dung does not burn in the stoves).
  15. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 10: 07
    +4
    Desovetization and decommunization in full. Renaming of streets, cities, destruction of enterprises built in Soviet times ... And so throughout the territory of the former USSR ... But there is the CIS, a new world, a new community of peoples, in a new format ... laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 49
      +3
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Desovetization and decommunization in full.

      But "banderarization" in full.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 11: 00
        +5
        But "banderarization" in full.
        ..The same thing as what I said .. we have here "redovization", "Kolchakokization", "Denikinnonization", etc. smile
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 October 2020 10: 08
    +4
    Nikolaev shipyard declared bankrupt
    Now they are racking their brains how to present it - as an override, or they will have to admit zrada. On the one hand, it is still Soviet, but in the light of current trends, it seems like a reversal. On the other hand, another enterprise has fallen into disarray, and the whole industry therefore seems to be coming out like zrada. Zelensky's puzzle.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Zelensky's puzzle.

      Or maybe vice versa, joy for Zelensky.
  17. Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 10: 12
    +3
    Echo of the Maidan! The country is rolling downhill. For that clown and set to plunder all the last
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov_2
      Echo of the Maidan! The country is going downhill.

      You are right, before the Maidan they just rolled down, and after the Maidan they fly downhill.
      How much manpower and resources were invested by the tsars and the Soviet government, territories ten times larger than Little Russia were given away, and everything goes back to the state of 1654. It is sad and offensive to see how you can not love the land of your grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 11: 16
        +4
        The West got used to plundering nations. With the help of colonies, it has been living for more than one century. For this, they destroyed (from the inside through traitors) the USSR, in order to devour the fragments (Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian Federation). With Ukraine it turns out ...
    2. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 11: 17
      +3
      And who does not roll on the territory of the former USSR? Each sister of the former rolls in its own way, one faster, the other slower. It did not arise after the collapse of the Soviet Union, on the territory of the former USSR, the second Switzerland or Sweden, Germany or France. Greece arose when the country was in debt like silk ..
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 27 October 2020 11: 50
        0
        The Western countries, like leeches, have been sucking all the forces from our countries for more than a decade.
        Yes, everyone rolls, but at different speeds.
        We are their colonies and subsidize their economies
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 04
          0
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov_2
          The Western countries, like leeches, have been sucking all the forces from our countries for more than a decade.

          You are absolutely right, but I look at your disadvantages, many people think on the contrary, they think that the West is pouring manna from heaven to them. How much rubbish we have.
  18. BAI
    BAI 27 October 2020 10: 14
    +8
    Honestly, I'm not sorry at all. Why would an agrarian superpower need such a large shipbuilding plant? KhTZ, Kraz, Antonov are also absolutely superfluous.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Why would an agrarian superpower need such a large shipbuilding plant?

      Why does a rapeseed state need shipbuilding, and even more so a fleet.
  19. sergo1914
    sergo1914 27 October 2020 10: 16
    +1
    Redesign after bankruptcy. In the workshops, start assembling rockets for flights to Jupiter and Saturn. Zelensky, don't sleep. The topic is promising. Nobody else does it.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 18
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Redesign after bankruptcy.

      A hypermarket and a paid parking lot will be built.
  20. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 27 October 2020 10: 23
    +3
    why do they need shipbuilding? they decommissioned NATO boats just right
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: _Ugene_
      they decommissioned NATO boats just right

      The rich have their own habits.
  21. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 27 October 2020 10: 24
    +5
    When the dominant of thinking becomes not “to make it better for oneself,” but “to screw up the damned Muscovites at any cost,” the result is almost natural. The mentally ill "brothers" have almost nothing but pride and pathological hatred for their eastern neighbor. Therefore, one should not feel sorry for their shipyards, aircraft factories, or their personnel.
    Biting the outstretched hand - teeth are knocked out. "Brothers" now represent exactly the case when the ancient "push - falling" no longer seems immoral. Deserved, devil.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 October 2020 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Ingenegr
      not "make yourself better", but "spoil the damned Muscovites at any cost",

      To spite the Muscovites, we will go without a hat in winter.
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 October 2020 10: 26
    +6
    Nikolaev Shipyard, once one of the largest shipbuilding flagships in the Soviet Union, has declared itself bankrupt.

    Any enterprise, any plant can exist if they build, produce and sell, a simple life formula "commodity-money-commodity", which cannot be applied in Ukraine. And there is nothing to be surprised at, and no investments can help here. The entire post-Soviet world has long lost its shipbuilding and ship repairs, almost all shipyards and shipbuilding yards of Ukraine, the German Democratic Republic, Poland, Czechoslovakia are closed, partially remained in the former Yugoslavia, and Romania. The West must fill its shipyards and factories with orders, "Why did God send us beggars."
  23. Dikson
    Dikson 27 October 2020 10: 32
    -9
    A huge enterprise of the USSR era .. Outdated equipment, scattered qualified personnel .. Empty workshops and buildings. - this is so familiar .. I don’t really understand those who are sneering here .. What, are we doing well with such enterprises? is the AZLK plant working, ZIL? And how many SRZs were looted and all kinds of shopping and entertainment centers and residential complexes were built on these sites? In the West, shipyards are also closed and go bankrupt, they are bought out .. It is quite possible that the Nikolaev shipyard after bankruptcy will be bought by the British or the Turks .. The Americans can make a base out of it .. because the rusty iron of the last century can only be handed over for scrap ..
    1. kot423
      kot423 27 October 2020 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: Dikson
      I don't really understand those who are sneering here .. What, are we doing well with such enterprises? is the AZLK plant working, ZIL? And how many SRZs were looted and all kinds of shopping and entertainment centers and residential complexes were built on these sites?

      One question: did you close the above yesterday? I don't understand this whining. There is a saying: the smart learn from the mistakes of others, the fools learn from their own. On my own I will add - pots, even dancing on a rake, will not learn anything.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 12: 12
        0
        No, not yesterday. And what in return, new AZLK, ZIL were built? .. Our shipyard survives its last days, does not repair, leases space. This suggests that we are learning from other people's mistakes? ...
        1. kot423
          kot423 27 October 2020 12: 35
          +2
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          And what in return, new AZLK, ZIL built?

          Ok, in your point of view: took, built, and? Release Svyatogory and ZIL 43276? Is there profitability in this release and bucking a lot of money into the revival? If, with the same success, it is possible to open technoparks for the money of investors with a prerequisite - complete localization of production, + domestic workers (with training at the expense of the investor), + legislation (labor, tax, etc.) of Russia (an example of this is the same Kaluga , Volvo, Volkswagen, Skoda, tire production, etc.)?
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          .Our shipyard survives its last days, does not repair, leases space.

          Where is yours? And again - what is the specialization, you Kuzyu or the submarine will be able to repair (modernize)? Or a sea fisherman (and here the question is - is it profitable to drag this fisherman to you, then back, or is it easier to lay a new one)?
          Whining about being smashed - plundered from the 90s - is something to itself. But to count, restore (rebuild) and stay with the released illiquid (or will you persuade half of the country to go to Svyatogor?), Or well, nafig him - but why, bother ...
          PS I'm not saying that this is right and cool, I don't like it myself, but we have what we have after the stain and the drunk ...
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 12: 53
            +1
            Stop. And without ok? .Okay? (there is such a Russian word). Instead of AZLK and ZIL, have modern auto giants been built that would compete with their Western counterparts? So Western investments are better? We can't ourselves? No money, specialists? ... Is it better to invite strangers or buy from strangers? Earlier, our shipyard repaired the "river-sea" type vessels, under a bloody, totalitarian regime, with an alcoholic and irremovable, the dock was sold 5-6 years ago and not because there were no orders, but the specialists were gone, they retired ... And there are no new personnel ...
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              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 13: 25
                -1
                Come on, without demagoguery ... about thirty holes in the belt and the army, but we will not touch health care ... he was scored more than thirty years ago. smile we collect text messages for operations ... We are already feeding someone else's army .. smile only at the location .. how much capital was taken out there, so they fed it ... I don't give a damn about anyone who was tagged, drunkard and others .. the fact is that what happened and has not been corrected, we do not have pots on our heads? No, not whining about the auto giants, but regret ... that means we can’t do either this or anything smaller .. It’s there in the near abroad they wear pans on their heads .. And we don’t wear and learn from other people's mistakes .., but that's all we are staying for the second year ..
                1. kot423
                  kot423 27 October 2020 13: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                  Come on, no demagoguery ..

                  And where is demagoguery in my words? Just a statement of the facts that starting from perestroika they broke not only the USSR, but everything that was at that time from the union in Russia. Recovery? Goes, but at the pace for which there is enough strength, setting priorities. Russia does not print candy wrappers that can be thrown in without looking back at anything, if it did, the pace would be different. And comparing the post-Soviet space with Russia is stupid, given the geographical size of the broken and subject to restoration.
                  1. Daniil Konovalenko
                    Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 14: 05
                    -4
                    About candy wrappers and priorities and what they wrote above, I heard on TV ... I don't need to retell it. laughing
                    1. kot423
                      kot423 27 October 2020 14: 24
                      -1
                      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                      I heard on TV.

                      I haven't watched TV for a long time, except for film channels, I'm tired of staged clowning. Everything that the moderator wrote above and rubbed, including my observations.
                      1. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 27 October 2020 14: 35
                        +1
                        Sure, not a problem... smile hi
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 October 2020 11: 08
          0
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          Our shipyard is living out its last days, does not repair, leases space.

          In St. Petersburg, the Kanonersky Shipyard ceased to exist, the well-known "Magnet" took the berths.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 27 October 2020 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Dikson
      It is quite possible that the Nikolaev shipyard after bankruptcy they will buy for a penny the British or the Turks.

      Apparently you are trying to be a lawyer for the failed state of Ukraine, but in this case it is unsuccessful. Did you appreciate the essence of what was said? BUY FOR KOPEYS !!! What is the beauty for Ukraine? It’s not like a shipyard, but soon all of Ukraine will be bought for a penny. Yes, it was worth for the sake of this Maidan to arrange. request
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 27 October 2020 11: 35
        -1
        Well, I see ..)) Your shit does not stink, but only slightly annoys the sense of smell .. - that's why there are only victorious reports in the price, and comments cause outrage among the public .. and here is advocacy? A successful state, a failed state, is let the Ukrainians decide .. Empty even for another 20 years on the Maidans in pans jumping .. It's just that the Bankruptcy of Nikolaev shipyards is a LEGAL OUTCOME .. there are no orders, junk and desolation .. -what is wrong? What was wrong with us? Whining ...))) Every year Uralvagonzavod is called bankrupt .. and what, it stopped working from this? ))
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 27 October 2020 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: Dikson
          Your shit doesn't stink, just a little annoying to smell ..
          What is your "constructive" position - in the absence of arguments, go to rudeness. You "trumped" the fact that foreigners will buy a shipyard for a penny. You were asked - what is the "peremoga" for Ukraine? You moved on to the "philosophy" of who and what shit smells like, without answering the question.
          Quote: Dikson
          that's why there are only victorious reports in the price, and the comments cause outrage among the public.
          Well, probably because the public is better aware of the catastrophic state of the Ukrainian economy than those who, making comments, are trying to endlessly appeal to the events of the 90s and claim that everything is the same here. No disrespectful, not the same.
          Quote: Dikson
          A successful state, a failed state - let the Ukrainians decide.
          They no longer decide anything. They decide for them at the US Embassy. On copper, they were told that the United States does not approve of the purchase of the vaccine against covid-19 from Russia and sadly "all-decisive" Ukrainians habitually delayed the "puppet-XNUMX".
          Quote: Dikson
          Empty even for another 20 years on the Maidan in pans jumping ..

          Who will give them these 20 years? In six years they have shattered the country, and in 20 years there will be no stone unturned.
          Quote: Dikson
          Just the Bankruptcy of the Nikolaev shipyards - THE LEGAL OUTCOME .. no orders, junk and desolation .. - what's wrong?

          Everything is correct here, everything is so. One thing is not clear what caused your optimism in the sense that they will sell this rubbish for a penny and then ... In view of what the question was asked to you -
          Did you appreciate the essence of what was said? BUY FOR KOPEYS !!! What is the beauty for Ukraine?

          Quote: Dikson
          Uralvagonzavod is called bankrupt every year .. and what, it stopped working because of this? ))
          Has not stopped and will not stop because receives government contracts, and the bankruptcy, it seems to me, is most likely connected not with the financial situation, but with the change of ownership. This is what concerns the enterprise. In Ukraine (not to be confused with an enterprise), the change of owner was completed in 2014, and the liquidation commission for dismantling the Ukrainian statehood has been working for six years now, and you are swearing with everyone for some kind of Nikolaev shipyard. I bow for thisyes
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 27 October 2020 15: 35
            -1
            Again twenty-five ... But what arguments can there be? And where did you see the rudeness ..? If about the sense of smell, so this is a quote practically from the novel by Mariengof ..))) I have no joy, no laughs about the events in Ukraine, just. Bitterness and regret .. And for our destroyed production. There is no joy either .. What is there to be happy about? That instead of reconstruction, the factories were demolishing and now we are assembling other people's cars ourselves with screwdrivers? There is nothing to be proud of .. Maybe Chubais has finally made a school tablet, which he promised I do not remember in what year? No? didn't? Why so? Not enough money? How many years have passed since the collapse of the USSR - when did we have an alternative to Nikolaev? Why do we need our trucks, machine tools and airplanes .. - "it will be necessary, - we will buy." so it seems our ex-president spoke, who went down in the history of the Russian state by translating it back and forth, then playing with time zones .. Sometimes he advised everyone to learn Chinese ..) So we buy everything ...
    3. Moskovit
      Moskovit 27 October 2020 11: 18
      +3
      Of course, they run and stumble to buy a modern shipyard full of orders. Aren't you funny yourself?
    4. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 27 October 2020 13: 02
      +1
      It is quite possible that the British or the Turks will buy the Nikolaev shipyard after bankruptcy for a penny.
      are you kidding? it's cheaper to build from scratch than to rake this stuff, and even to foreign companies with their own standards
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 27 October 2020 15: 36
        0
        I'm scoffing of course .. - everything is just for scrapping and removal is good .. ((
    5. mmaxx
      mmaxx 28 October 2020 06: 39
      +1
      The question is not in closed ZILs and AZLK. And whether they have their own cars or not. That's the question. Yes, the "reforms" went like a war. But we need to move on. And here you have to look: where are you going?
    6. Dikson
      Dikson 28 October 2020 06: 56
      +2
      This is wonderful .. It is especially wonderful that the mention of the British and the NATO base on the territory of the Nikolaev shipyards above my comment is plus, and my comment is gaining minuses ..)) Keep burning, gentlemen ..)
  24. iouris
    iouris 27 October 2020 10: 34
    0
    Russia is no longer the "ruler of the seas". And with the territory somehow everything is ... "ambiguous". Is Mikolaiv a territory of Turkey?
  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 October 2020 10: 36
    +2
    Dekcominization is going according to plan and so on until all the legacy of the "scoop" disappears, that is, everything in general.
  26. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 27 October 2020 10: 39
    0
    Hmm, do not build to break! "Brave" seamen ditched the pearl of Soviet shipbuilding! Let's see if they can create such a shipyard with their own hands!
  27. svoit
    svoit 27 October 2020 10: 48
    -8
    In general, there is nothing to rejoice at, bankruptcy is not the end, the owner will change and that's all. They will start all over again, they will build yachts, then boats, and then something larger. Hopes for the collapse of the Ukrainian industry have not yet fully justified themselves
    1. kot423
      kot423 27 October 2020 10: 55
      0
      Quote: svoit
      They will start all over again, they will build yachts, then boats, and then something larger

      Rave. Who will they start with? The old shots are decreasing exponentially for a number of reasons, the new ones were not taught on the Maidan (in the intervals between the rides), the conclusion: it will be like a "bucephalus", which is covered with cracks from bumps ...
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 27 October 2020 17: 04
      0
      They will start all over again, they will build yachts, then boats, and then something larger.

      Who will build? All specialists abroad work part-time. Now you can't even find an intelligent locksmith, my relatives say.
  28. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 10: 53
    -6
    Quote: Temples
    They did not build ho-hly.

    It is not necessary to break, build, mind is not necessary.

    They wanted to go to Europe, so let them go.
    Thoughts are material.

    There is a saying
    - needed where was born.

    But for a modern person, this idea is alien.

    Now many want to jump out of their place and go to another land for benefits. Where it is better.
    They say life is one and you need to live it in comfort.

    Ukrainian shipbuilders left not for Europe, but for China, as a result we only have a fuming Kuzya, and the Chinese Navy will soon have 5 units.
    The shipyard is certainly a necessary business, but all this without personnel, that is, people, is a worthless price. At the dawn of all these events, it was necessary to provide conditions and arrange for people at our shipyards, in our design bureaus, even through I don’t want to and paying their maintenance from the federal budget.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 27 October 2020 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Azimuth
      At the dawn of all these events, it was necessary to provide conditions and arrange for people at our shipyards, in our design bureaus, even through I don’t want to and paying their maintenance from the federal budget.

      Do you think this has not been done? If so, I assure you that you are wrong. yes
  29. vadimtt
    vadimtt 27 October 2020 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    oxen (beeches).

    No beeches needed! They smack them where they don't get!
    Better than bulls and heifers laughing
  30. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 27 October 2020 11: 18
    -1
    The root cause of the bankruptcy of the Nikolaev SZ is that the state itself, unable to pay debts, has long gone bankrupt.
    Now the NSZ will be sold for debts and the rusty "Ukraine" will be cut into scrap metal, and the bankrupt state of Ukraine will be sold off to the bankers of the West with pieces of land.
    "Woe to the vanquished."
    1. iouris
      iouris 27 October 2020 11: 36
      -3
      Quote: Whirlwind
      "Woe to the vanquished."

      This is about the USSR. It is still disposed of.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 27 October 2020 13: 05
        -1
        This is already about the independent Kuev Zelensky who has no gold reserves ...
  31. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 27 October 2020 11: 50
    +1
    After the collapse of the USSR, cooperation collapsed, there are no orders, throughout the territory of the once great country, not only factories were left unnecessary, but also people, specialists who now find it difficult to find work. Well, the expression: "I won't eat it, I'll take a bite!" takes place wink
  32. Constanty
    Constanty 27 October 2020 11: 50
    +1
    Shame and scandal lead to the collapse of a shipyard with such opportunities and traditions !!! It is sad.
  33. evgen1221
    evgen1221 27 October 2020 12: 02
    +1
    And how they galloped, feast for the eyes.
  34. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 12: 26
    -2
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Azimuth
    At the dawn of all these events, it was necessary to provide conditions and arrange for people at our shipyards, in our design bureaus, even through I don’t want to and paying their maintenance from the federal budget.

    Do you think this has not been done? If so, I assure you that you are wrong. yes

    It is good if so as you write. But the fact is that in China there is a rather large group of shipbuilders from Ukraine and the result of their work is obvious.
  35. Hog
    Hog 27 October 2020 12: 58
    +1
    Zrada or peremoga?
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 October 2020 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: Hog
      Zrada or peremoga?


      Demozalization ...
  36. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2020 13: 19
    +6
    The main reason for the bankruptcy of the enterprise is the lack of orders for ships and the complete severance of ties with Russia.


    Sad and no words ...

  37. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 27 October 2020 13: 41
    +1
    Maybe the plant will be transferred to the state or to another owner? In the Russian Federation, some military-industrial complex enterprises that were in the wrong hands (poor management, etc.) were deliberately bankrupt and then transferred to the state corporation Rostec. And they continued to produce military products, often in larger quantities. That is, bankruptcy does not always mean the destruction of production.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 27 October 2020 19: 22
      0
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Maybe the plant will go to the state or to another owner?
      If a potential owner is engaged in the disposal of industrial buildings - why not?
  38. xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 October 2020 13: 59
    0
    Natural result wassat Back in 2006, when I came to Nikolaev, I saw an unfinished rusty RC "Ukraine" at the wall of the shipyard. It was too far to take a picture, so a photo from the network

  39. Old26
    Old26 27 October 2020 14: 56
    +2
    Quote: Squelcher
    Learn the history of "lord" communist. do not stoop to skakuas, the shipyard was founded during the RI.
    The construction of the first shipyard in Nikolaev was started in 1787, in 1788 the shipyard was put into operation under the name Nikolaev Admiralty. On August 25, 1790, the first ship, the sailing frigate "Saint Nicholas", was launched here.

    good
  40. pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 27 October 2020 15: 50
    +1
    The Nazis did not break, and today's Dill easily shit on themselves and were able to kill shipbuilding to please the USA and Geyrope !!! am wassat fool
  41. Adimius38
    Adimius38 27 October 2020 20: 27
    +2
    We had to get everything in our hands and not be blunt. Cut off the Bandera people from the coast, take away unique enterprises and make it impossible to create NATO naval bases in the future under our noses
  42. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 27 October 2020 21: 13
    +1
    "Nikolaev Shipyard" is bankrupt ... In March 2014, residents of Nikolaev should "return to their home harbor good "and not" snot to chew recourse "- to hope for" EuroAssociation "... The road" to the home harbor "is still open ...
  43. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 27 October 2020 21: 15
    0
    not to say, not to add ..... galloped, utyrki! and rightly so. One thing is a pity that in the midst of THIS rabble, there were ordinary people who until the last believed that everything would work out ... did not wait
  44. Revolver
    Revolver 27 October 2020 21: 19
    -1
    Under the kings, battleships were built. Aircraft carriers under the Soviets. And with independence ???
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  46. IC
    IC 28 October 2020 01: 50
    +1
    This is one of three factories in Nikolaev. The former one. 61 communal apartments, founded in the 18th century.
  47. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 28 October 2020 04: 03
    0
    There is a good fable about the mirror, I remembered and decided not to write a comment.
  48. Burdock
    Burdock 28 October 2020 10: 26
    +1
    Yesterday I watched a video in Ukrainian on Youtube dedicated to the Dnepr radar station: A caretaker, a retired military man, talked about the station, service and other things, but those who interviewed him showed their entire Zapadensko-khutor insides with questions: how much electricity is needed, and how much There should be people here, and how many meta colors are there at the station, and what is so expensive ... And finally, how do you feel about Elon Musk? This is a swineherd asking a retired lieutenant colonel who has served this station since Soviet times. What kind of strategic thinking, what kind of factories?
  49. Adyuga
    Adyuga 28 October 2020 12: 28
    0
    It's sad however. Let's hope that the Ukrainian people will achieve liberation and prosperity.
    1. Feliks m
      Feliks m 28 October 2020 23: 18
      0
      Hardly we will achieve it. We were crushed by the zapadentsi, and the factory named after the 61st Komunar, the former Admiralty shipyard, where the cruiser is stationed. They want to sell it to the city developers, so that they can use the money to raise the Black Sea plant, a rumor in the city hall. It is clear that they are bullshitting, the Chernomorsky needs to be raised by the state program and investments. The money is huge for our region.
  50. Anachoret
    Anachoret 28 October 2020 15: 19
    0
    And once they built Aircraft Carriers! I just don't understand how such an enterprise can be ruined?

    aircraft carriers were built at ChSZ - now the structure of Novinsky (Akhmetov's accomplice), but there, too, the picture is no better. At one time, if one galosh was handed over a year under new effective owners, they rejoiced. And now they regularly go bankrupt and sell the enterprise to themselves at auction.
    the situation on the Ocean is no better
    and NSZ (former 61 Communards) lately, except that the stoves were cooked for the needs of the "front". while the Russian Federation offered to buy the cruiser Ukraine at the price of scrap metal, it was necessary to sell. and now everything is ... pichalka