China ready to impose sanctions against US companies Raytheon, Boeing and Lockheed Martin for arms sales to Taiwan

Official Beijing has decided to impose sanctions against Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Raytheon, as well as other American companies and individuals involved in the sale of weapons. This step is explained by the protection of China's national interests.

This statement was made today at a press conference by the spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry Zhao Lijian.

He called on the United States to stop selling weapons self-governing island and sever military-technical ties with the Taipei government.

The imposition of sanctions is another step in the escalation of growing tensions between the United States and China over Taiwan. Although the island has never been controlled by the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Beijing insists that it is an integral part of its territory. The PRC is threatening to use military force if necessary to establish control over Taiwan.

We will continue to take the necessary measures to protect national sovereignty and security interests.

- said Zhao Lijian.

Last week, the United States administration formally notified Congress of the sale of three state-of-the-art weapons systems to Taiwan, totaling approximately $ 1,8 billion. According to some reports, we are talking about missile systems.

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[Cowbra]

So everything is logical - even Nixon recognized Taiwan as part of China)))

[Civil]

101 Chinese warning ... all the same they know how to count money and will not do anything ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Civil

101 Chinese warning ... all the same they know how to count money and will not do anything ...

Stop buying Boeing planes.
Maybe they'll throw money for the CR-929 and MC-21, and at the same time for the engines.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Stop buying Boeing planes.
Maybe they'll throw money for the CR-929 and MC-21, and at the same time for the engines.

China is seriously engaged in its industry, technology and development of its own. So, I think, the day is not far off when the Chinese will not need the services of Boeings and Airbuses, and even our MSs, since they will have their own.
So it's all a matter of time and, I think, not long at all.

[nnm]

When they want to do something, they do it first and then declare. And when they look for reasons not to do anything, they start with loud statements.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Civil

101 Chinese warning ... all the same they know how to count money and will not do anything ...

How can they not do it? It's written

Official Beijing has decided to impose sanctions against Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Raytheon, as well as other American companies and individuals involved in the sale of weapons.

Ours are not doing anything, fearing, as a retaliatory measure, to strangle at least the same McDonald's network.

[locator]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Ours are not doing anything, fearing, as a retaliatory measure, to strangle at least the same McDonald's network.

Don't tell Dmitry. These amerskih companies have such aggressive advertising and everything seems to be fine .. It would be better if they advertised our canteens, there at least healthy food, etc.
Their lobby has settled down in the Russian government and business very tightly, like ticks and you can't pick out. The same tobacco companies, beer, chocolate, etc. EVERYTHING bought up and are disguised as "Russia is a generous soul ..". Made in Russia, according to GOST, etc. And the ears stick out from across the ocean, rubbing their hands from the profits ..

[Kasym]

The sanctions are different. If these are sanctions against the hands of companies, then this is one thing, but if it is a ban on the sale of the same rare earth. metals, it is different.
I wonder what these sanctions are?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Ours are not doing anything, fearing, as a retaliatory measure, to strangle at least the same McDonald's network.

Well, judging by the photos, the Chinese also do not stifle amers' networks! Starbucks, for example.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Nyrobsky

Ours are not doing anything, fearing, as a retaliatory measure, to strangle at least the same McDonald's network.

Well, judging by the photos, the Chinese also do not stifle amers' networks! Starbucks, for example.

They are trying to put pressure on at least something on a practical plane (albeit not tightly), at least they demonstrate such intentions. For the time being, we are "wisely and far-sighted" collecting the sanctioned "herbarium", which will soon turn into a decent "hayloft". Question - "Why do we need a vegetable so much hay?"

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Nyrobsky

"Why do we need so much hay for a vegetable?"

Well, of course! Hay is a very useful thing! For example, in addition to the main use, you can spread it so that it was softer to fall, you can put it on the mud so that your shoes do not get dirty, you can also put a dog on it. And you can sell to the European people. According to the Rosselkhozbank's Center for Industry Expertise, the volume of its supplies to Europe has grown 16 times over the past year.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Hay is a very useful thing! For example, you can spread it so that it was softer to fall, you can put it on the mud so that your shoes do not get dirty, you can also put a dog on it. And you can sell to the European people. According to the Rosselkhozbank's Center for Industry Expertise, the volume of its supplies to Europe has grown 16 times over the past year.

Well, maybe ... So they do not take contagions, their "colleagues" mattresses also threaten to feed the same "hay" if they do not refuse SP-2.

[Rusticolus]

The Chinese consider their money, but there is no question of them. And if they organize a blockade of Taiwan, there is no money for them, and they don’t care for Taiwan. And what, the Americans will trample on China with AUGami？ So it seems that they have already gone to the scanty Korea, that everything turned out to be in the know.

[nikon7717]

On the part of the Russian Federation, even a warning will not seem like it, let alone real sanctions. Officials have invested in the shares of these companies and are interested in their growth.

[moreman78]

Rather, these companies have invested in our officials! Therefore, they feel at ease.

[Doccor18]

..the United States Administration has officially notified Congress of the sale of three advanced weapons systems to Taiwan ..

The Americans are true to their policies, but Taiwan does not have much time to "self-govern." China will still absorb the rebellious island and will do it with 90% probability earlier than the US thinks and in a purely peaceful way. The island is connected with the mainland much more than it seems, and there is only one precursor stone - "overseas partner".

[Kuzmitsky]

China and Taiwan are now even less connected than North Korea with South or Canada with Australia. They have been living without each other for 70 years (about how long the USSR existed). But China is serious about reclaiming the island. Actually, this can happen, but here, it seems, only the power option is possible.

[locator]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

But China is serious about reclaiming the island. Actually, this can happen, but here it seems that only the power option is possible.

And they will return it, they are very serious about it.

[Doccor18]

China and Taiwan are now even less connected than North Korea with South or Canada with Australia. They have been living without each other for 70 years (about how long the USSR existed). But China is serious about reclaiming the island. Actually, this can happen, but here, it seems, only the power option is possible.

Only here is a strange thing: the trade turnover between China and Taiwan in 2019 amounted to 228 billion green. And it grows from year to year ...
Between China and the Russian Federation - 109 billion, which is more than 2 times less ...
China has more trade only with the USA (1st place), EU (2nd place) and Japan (closes the top three).
So, dry economic statistics show more eloquently who how and how much they connect.
In political terms, the PRC and Taiwan are irreconcilable rivals, but economically ...

[Esoteric]

It remains to be seen who should actually rule mainland China. Rebel Island or the Heirs of Mao. Everything is very difficult there.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ezoterik

It remains to be seen who should actually rule mainland China. Rebel Island or the Heirs of Mao. Everything is very difficult there.

Everything is simple there - whoever won the civil war rules.

[parusnik]

Krutyak, how will the sanctions be expressed and how will American companies suffer from this? The Chinese have probably thought of everything .. But the next US move or ..

[Cowbra]

Boeing definitely has a plant in China and China also bought airliners. And there were one and a half billion potential users of this Boeing, 6 times more than the United States

[halpat]

Quote: parusnik

Krutyak, how will the sanctions be expressed and how will American companies suffer from this? The Chinese have probably thought of everything .. But the next US move or ..

I think that there in China a lot of components are made for these companies.
and also rare earth metals (in pigs :))) If China blocks it, it will become bad not only for industrial and high-tech enterprises in the USA.

[Oleg83]

Quote: Halpat

Quote: parusnik

Krutyak, how will the sanctions be expressed and how will American companies suffer from this? The Chinese have probably thought of everything .. But the next US move or ..

I think that there in China a lot of components are made for these companies.
and also rare earth metals (in pigs :))) If China blocks it, it will become bad not only for industrial and high-tech enterprises in the USA.

In the recent past, China has already blocked the export of rare earth metals, no one has become ill. Other supplier countries will enter the market

[halpat]

Quote: oleg83

Quote: Halpat

Quote: parusnik

Krutyak, how will the sanctions be expressed and how will American companies suffer from this? The Chinese have probably thought of everything .. But the next US move or ..

I think that there in China a lot of components are made for these companies.
and also rare earth metals (in pigs :))) If China blocks it, it will become bad not only for industrial and high-tech enterprises in the USA.

In the recent past, China has already blocked the export of rare earth metals, no one has become ill. Other supplier countries will enter the market

Probably China did it for tactical purposes, that is, "for fun."
And so, 44% of the total market for rare earth metals, this is not a hoot-fly. And it does not arise out of thin air, but on the basis of the reserves of the corresponding minerals.
Who has such reserves? I do not know.

[_Ugene_]

China took 44% of the rare earth metals market due to lower prices, will block exports - other suppliers with a higher price will take its place

[halpat]

Quote: _Ugene_

China took 44% of the rare earth metals market due to lower prices, will block exports - other suppliers with a higher price will take its place

google at least it will open to you :))
48% of the world's reserves are concentrated in China, these are deposits.
So, maybe someone wants to take China's place in this field, but the size of the "occupation" does not allow.

[_Ugene_]

so what? for example, small Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, 4 times more than ours, if Venezuela stops producing oil, then there will be no deficit in the world, but prices may rise, as with other minerals, there is more than enough supply, they will reopen many mines that could not stand the competition with China, prices will rise and that's it

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Halpat

44% of the total rare earth metals market, these are not huras-muhras. And it does not arise out of thin air, but on the basis of the reserves of the corresponding minerals.
Who has such reserves?

Maybe someone has it, including the states. That's just getting them that still hemorrhoids. You need to invest a lot of money and, plus, get environmental problems and a powerful competitor in the face of China, which, if anything, is always ready to stifle prices.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Halpat

I think that there in China a lot of components are made for these companies.
and also rare earth metals (in pigs :))) If China blocks it, it will become bad not only for industrial and high-tech enterprises in the USA.

The United States, as it pulled China out of its ass, will drive it back there. Yes, not without prejudice to themselves, but the Americans have already begun to locate their factories in countries neighboring China.

[syndicalist]

The experience of Russian "anti-sanctions" has taught no one

[Esoteric]

In a humble, unprofessional opinion. Russia needs to support Taiwan, the Manchus, northern China, where, oh, how they do not like the south, to promote and aggravate their rejection. China is clearly not our friend, and everything that weakens it is only for the benefit of our country. But not explicitly, behind the scenes. And obviously continue to sing the praises of this state.
Regarding this article. Again, in my Nubian opinion, they cannot do anything to the United States. Interestingly, Congress will be able to oblige the same Apple, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, and many other companies to take out their production from China, and revoke the licenses for the production of their products?
If so - and European companies will do it, then the polar fox is shining for the Chinese economy. They will continue to make counterfeit, but they will not be able to sell it to anyone except their country.

[And Makarov]

Quote: Ezoterik

In a humble, unprofessional opinion. Russia needs to support Taiwan

Better to remain neutral. And cooperate with both parties.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ezoterik

Russia needs to support Taiwan,

Have you seen the Taiwan map of China?

[halpat]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Ezoterik

Russia needs to support Taiwan,

Have you seen the Taiwan map of China?

I advise you to study the globe of Ukraine first :)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Halpat

Have you seen the Taiwan map of China?
I advise you to study the globe of Ukraine first :)

Rudeness does not paint you. I may not have been clear enough, but those maps with Siberia belonging to China are of Taiwan origin. Moreover, as far as I know, Taiwan has territorial claims against us.

[vVvAD]

Quote: Ezoterik

Interestingly, Congress will be able to oblige the same Apple, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, and many other companies to take out their production from China, and revoke the licenses for the production of their products?
If so - and this will be done by European companies, then the polar fox is shining for the Chinese economy.

Rave. Already sold all over the world. And not counterfeit, but products under their own brands.
Huawei, D-link, Honor, Xiaomi - have you heard it or have you bypassed it?
And also dual-use chips that the United States purchases for its weapons and space systems. And now they are racking their brains how to replace all this. And they will no longer be able to take out "their" production: all their only shares (and not controlling stakes, as it were, but the layout of smartphones and other things) - all the latest developments in terms of topology, technical process, chip production based on them are purely Chinese and Korean. And even if the equipment of the factories is removed by the method of reverse engineering, the Americans reproduce for 10-15 years - as we do. For its own production base was aging and lost.

Quote: Ezoterik

Again, in my Nubian opinion, they cannot do anything to the United States.

Oh well. Already done - that Trump had to negotiate. Apparently, it also passed by.

Quote: Ezoterik

In a humble, unprofessional opinion. Russia needs to support Taiwan, the Manchus, northern China, where, oh, how they do not like the south, to promote and aggravate their rejection. China is clearly not our friend, and everything that weakens it is only for the benefit of our country. But not explicitly, behind the scenes. And obviously continue to sing the praises of this state.

Everything is clear with you: hypocrisy and lies. The United States has almost played out. And the USA is a superpower. And you go there too. China may not be our friend, but believe me, they are not fools at all. And when they see this, they will respond in such a way that the United States will nervously smoke on the sidelines, because the PRC is OUR NEIGHBOR. And he has more resources on his head. Unexpected, right?
And yes: forget about the former republics - no union can be created with hypocrisy.

[Esoteric]

Huawei on which chips? MTK? This is Taiwan, all of a sudden. They are far from a scatter. The operating system on Huawei is Android in my opinion. Whose is he? It is not possible to manufacture processors without someone who designed them, in a rough approximation this is a screwdriver assembly. They will be able to produce on licensed lines for some time, but to sell, except at home, to anyone. And they will not be given more technologies, and they themselves will not be able to do it, this is a copier.

[vVvAD]

Quote: Ezoterik

The operating system on Huawei is Android in my opinion.

For outside sale only. But if they are refused or they refuse to ship on Android, a new operating system will simply appear in the world. First - like an OS on budget Chinese smartphones. And then Google can get bad, and seriously.

Quote: Ezoterik

They will be able to produce on licensed lines for some time, but to sell, except at home, to anyone.

And where did you get the idea that they produce their Huawei, D-link, Honor, Xiaomi and a bunch of everything else on licensed equipment ?! And who would let them? This is a violation of contract, actually.
If you are not aware that advanced technologies are already in Southeast Asia, and not in the United States, these are your personal problems.

[Esoteric]

It hasn't appeared yet. All of their operating systems are based on the Linux kernel. Well, let them write their own Windows, Linux, BSD. Something does not work out for them.

[vVvAD]

Why reinvent the wheel? No, we'll do it our own way. Even worse, but in its own way!
Do you even hear yourself from the outside?
All over the world, successful ideas are borrowed and developed, creating something completely new on their basis, and you are offering complete nonsense.

[poquello]

Quote: Ezoterik

All of their operating systems are based on the Linux kernel.

and why should they,))))))))))))))) excuse me, rewrite Linux?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Ezoterik

All of their operating systems are based on the Linux kernel

well, xiaomi is finishing its Axis as almost a copy of iOS ...

[ivanec]

They have their own Kirin chips!

[Bessik]

Dear, judging by the fact that you attributed Huawei MTK percent already speaks about your narrow awareness in terms of the electro market

[Esoteric]

And it is very interesting to find out about the availability of the Chinese operating system, which they themselves deigned to write. And also the processors that they designed themselves. Don't offer Linux.

[vVvAD]

AliOS. Why don't you like Linux? Android, as it were, is also written on its core
Than to bend your fingers, you at least open Wikipedia and Google.
https://www.ixbt.com/news/2020/04/12/kaixian-kx-u6780a-cpu-intel-amd.html
https://3dnews.ru/995614

[Esoteric]

Generally, Linux is not Chinese. They did not write it initially, they did not develop it. These are generally Europeans. And now it is being developed by such corporations as IBM, Red Hat, Oracle, the same Microsoft, Canonical. The community certainly participates, but so, on the sidelines.
Systemd, Wayland, and a lot more. Where is China here? Tordvalds is not actually Chinese, but he is the main maintainer of the core.

[vVvAD]

Well, what do you mean by that?
Yes: the Linux architecture turned out to be very successful for the development of completely different new operating systems on its basis for different needs. For example, on the Linux kernel, the domestic highly secure OS Elbrus has also been developed for special agencies in accordance with national GOST standards in the field of information security.
It's like saying about a modern tank or a jet plane, that there is nothing new in it, because the wheel was invented by others.

[Esoteric]

Well, the core is the most important thing. A body kit to write to him ... I remember this Denis Popov was, with Bolgenos. And the kernel is under the GNU license, it cannot be changed and the source cannot be opened, and the same cannot be closed.

[vVvAD]

Quote: Ezoterik

And write a body kit to it ...

Well, take and write something of the level of Android, Ali OS or Elyurus. Or weak?
And do not write - one person simply cannot do this - unlike the Linux kernel, for example.

[vVvAD]

And do not write: in 1991 the OS kernels contained thousands of lines, and now the Linux kernel has exceeded 80 million - say, did Linus write everything? Or compare Win3.11 and Win10. And after that you try to convince me that the most difficult thing about a fighter is the wheel?
Funny.

[Esoteric]

And for example, I have nothing Chinese. There is Taiwan, the Indonesian assembly is there, the Vietnamese is the same. I am especially interested in buying what, whose assembly. If China, then I won't. Russian, Belarusian, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Taiwanese - I take.

[Esoteric]

Well, about politics - "England has neither permanent allies, nor permanent enemies. England has only permanent interests." That's all there is to know about politics. Alpha and Omega. It's not a sin to adopt. Don't you think so?

[mitroha]

They will continue to make counterfeit, but they will not be able to sell it to anyone except their country.

The Indian market and their own will be enough for them.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Ezoterik

Congress will be able to oblige the same Apple, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, and many other companies to take out their production from China and revoke the licenses for the production of their products?
If so - and this will be done by European companies, then the polar fox is shining for the Chinese economy.

This is unscientific fantasy. The conventional West is no less interested in China than China is in the conventional West.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Ezoterik

In a humble, unprofessional opinion. Russia needs to support Taiwan, the Manchus, northern China ...

And ruin relations with China? Russia already has unimportant relations with the United States, the EU + with Turkey, it is not clear what will happen in the future, and if you also quarrel with China over pro-American Taiwan and China's internal issues, it will be a very stupid move, given that China will sooner or later become 1 economy of the world (although according to some data and indicators it has already become).

Quote: Ezoterik

Again, in my Nubian opinion, they cannot do anything to the United States. Interestingly, Congress will be able to oblige the same Apple, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, and many other companies to take out their production from China, and revoke the licenses for the production of their products?

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the MIC 2025 (Made in China 2025) program, which sets itself the task of replacing Western technologies with its own, and sooner or later the PRC simply will not need high-tech Western products, as it will have its own.

For your information:

MIC 2025 is the national strategic plan for the further development of the manufacturing sector from the People's Republic of China, issued by Premier Li Keqiang and his cabinet in May 2015. As part of the 13th Five-Year Plan, China seeks to stop being just a "global factory" producing cheap, low-tech goods, fueled by lower labor costs and supply chain benefits. The initiative encourages the production of high-tech products and services, such as aerospace, semiconductors, and biotechnology, to help achieve independence from foreign suppliers. Basically, it is a plan to modernize the manufacturing facilities of Chinese industry from labor-intensive workshops to more high-tech enterprises.

The "Made in China 2025" targets include an increase in the content of basic materials within China to 40 percent by 2020 and 70 percent by 2025. The plan focuses on high-tech areas including pharmaceuticals, automotive, aerospace, semiconductor, information technology and robotics manufacturing, which is dominated by foreign companies.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC described MIC 2025 as "a comprehensively modernized Chinese industry initiative" that is directly inspired by the proposed German Industry 4.0 strategy. This is a comprehensive effort to move China's manufacturing base to a higher level in the value chain and transform it into a major manufacturing power in direct competition with the United States. The Chinese government intends to invest about US $ 300 billion to implement this plan.

Some of the companies identified as leaders in key industries are:

Baidu (AI, autonomous cars)
Alibaba (e-commerce)
Tencent (e-commerce)
Megvii (AI)
DJI (AI, drones)
BAIC (new energy vehicles)
Geely (new energy cars)
BYD (New Energy Cars)
SMIC (semiconductors)
Huawei (semiconductors, telecommunications and consumer electronics)
BBK Electronics (consumer electronics)
Xiaomi (consumer electronics)
Aircraft Industry Corporation of China (Aerospace Industry)
CRRC (rail)
Sinopharm (medicine)


In 2018, the US think tank Council on Foreign Relations stated that MIC 2025 poses “a real existential threat to US technological leadership

[Esoteric]

Well, I don’t know what China is doing and how, but at the plant where I worked, the Chinese new machine broke down completely after eight months, which had not been working permanently before. A German machine, from the 90s, plows and plows, and you can't take it with anything.
Everything is simple for me - I see "made in China" I pass by

[gsev]

Quote: Ezoterik

Russia needs to support Taiwan, the Manchus, northern China,

North China is the current leadership of the PRC. Why should we ruin China? As long as he is strong, the likelihood of an attack on Russia from Europe is small. Russia is trying to crush all European countries on the non-PRC. Taiwan will never be Russia's ally against the United States. Also, all Chinese separatists love the United States, Japan, Europe, but not Russia.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ezoterik

Russia needs to support Taiwan, the Manchus, northern China, where, oh, how they do not like the south, to promote and aggravate their rejection. China is clearly not our friend, and everything that weakens it is only for the benefit of our country.

After WWII, Manchuria asked to go to the USSR. Why do you think Stalin refused then? And what would happen now if then Manchuria was annexed to the USSR?

[Sergej1972]

Manchuria has been gone for a long time, this is a historical concept. In the former territory of Manchuria, the Manchus are in a clear minority, and at the same time they are strongly assimilated by the Han.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Sergej1972

Manchuria is long gone

MANZHOU-GO - a puppet state on the territory of Manchuria and part of Inner Mongolia in 1932-1945

That is why the Manchus were afraid of being absorbed by China. understood what awaited them - disappearance.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Ezoterik

In a humble, unprofessional opinion. Russia needs to support Taiwan

support Taiwan? rams that draw maps of China with Siberia?

Quote: Ezoterik

China is clearly not our friend, and everything that weakens it is only for the benefit of our country.

Come to us now only reliable economic, military and political partner, unlike the American litter of Taiwan

Quote: Ezoterik

Regarding this article. Again, in my Nubian opinion, they cannot do anything to the United States.

take a look at the US-China trade balance and its structure.

Quote: Ezoterik

If so - and this will be done by European companies, then the polar fox is shining for the Chinese economy.

uh huh .. already running

[Thrifty]

The hedgehog from the sight of a Chinese naked heel just spat in his hearts, and thought "not a bit scary", crawled closer to inject harder. ..

[Esoteric]

Again, how the United States will behave if one adheres to conspiracy theories depends largely on an island 3 miles to the east. It is believed that the empire has disintegrated, and this island is no one to call it. However, it is hard to believe that, you can admit it, you can not, but the greatest empire in the history of the planet took this and was annulled, voluntarily.
True, now the politicians there are no match for the former, but I think if they want to, unless of course there are still smart cadres, they will drive China into the collapse of the economy and collapse of the former, without any war. He is very much tied to the West. It seems that the rejection of China on the timeline back is beneficial for our country.

[venik]

".....Official Beijing has decided to impose sanctions against Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Raytheon, as well as other American companies and individuals involved in the sale of weapons... .... "
======
Well, the Yankees themselves are to blame: they came up with a "sanctions war" ..... Now you will get: "with the same" end ", in the same place and with the same force!"

[Esoteric]

Anyway, China is a state with a mentality absolutely alien to us. We are Europeans, whether someone likes it or not. We are not Asians. You can throw slippers

[vVvAD]

And you were not beyond the Urals. Wonderful
We are not Asians and we are not Europeans. The European mentality with their hypocrisy, intrigue, self-interest and the absence of the concept of "conscience" in the Anglo-Saxon languages ​​(yes, it is conscience, not embarrassment, shame, resentment, etc.) is also alien to us.
We are a separate civilization, because what works in the USA and Europe does not work for us. But a lot of what works in Southeast Asia also works for us. And vice versa. Why would it suddenly?
And in order not to be unfounded: what is the political system in China now? And what is the model of mass education, medicine and science there?

[vVvAD]

The West is extremely selfish and focused exclusively on itself, therefore it is unable to understand peoples with different value orientations and is forced to implant its values ​​all over the world, since it simply does not know how to negotiate on equal terms. We understand the West, Southeast Asia, and the Islamic world, since the peoples of all these civilizations already coexist in our country in the world. And they are able to take the best from them. And this is our strength. And as long as we look to the West and copy everything from the West, it won't get any better.

[Esoteric]

Feudal capitalism, with Chinese clan characteristics, under the guise of socialism. Not right?

[vVvAD]

I never guessed right: the planned economy, universal free education and medical care, the clans were destroyed during the Chinese revolution.

[Esoteric]

Lack of pensions, about free medicine and education, ask in the north of China, or in Tibet ..

[Esoteric]

Well, not human, we were no different from the West. Read the unkempt Old Russian history. And the children of their fathers killed in the struggle for the "table", and blinded, and destroyed a lot in different ways. And Vladimir fought with Ryazan, and Ryazan with Moscow, and Pskov, and Novgorod, and Kiev many times were taken by purely Russian princes. Everything is like everyone else. "Little people" of all sorts of townspeople, and other "mob" ruined by no one ever considered.
Everything is like theirs. A normal, so to speak, European country.
Moreover, before Peter the Great, this antichrist on the throne, the Moscow state was still much freer and more humane than the countries of the decline. But Petrusha came and knocked the country off the normal path of development, we are still reaping the fruits.

[vVvAD]

Only long before all these lewd practices, which became fashionable thanks to fragmentation, turmoil and a rotten European example, there was a union of Slavic tribes, then still linguistic. And also read the transcript of the Etruscan inscription on the Fest disc about the Rugen Slavs - this is the very heart of Europe. And there were Slavs who mentioned Rus. Their habitual divide et empera, intrigue, deceit and deception, as well as inhuman cruelty led to the ousting of the Slavs from these territories. And also to the destruction of the population of 3 continents: both Americas and Australia, 3/4 of the population of the most numerous country at that time - China as a result of the opium wars, the wiping out of many countries and peoples and the burning of cities, incl. napalm and nuclear weapons. And also slavery, scalps and concentration camps are great achievements, you will not say anything.
Now tell me at least one continent, country, people or city (with the exception of internal strife), which were compared to the ground by the Russians.

[atalef]

Quote: vVvAD

Now tell me at least one continent, country, people or city (with the exception of internal strife), which were compared to the ground by the Russians.

Have you been banned in Google?
https://yandex.ru/q/question/kakie_narody_i_plemena_byli_istrebleny_vo_bd9ce2ef/
For a start

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

For a start

How long have you been looking for a rotten stuff?

Quote: atalef

Have you been banned in Google?

and this show off is completely out of place, well, they ran away and ran away.
or does Khazaria give you no peace ?, so nothing, you write

[Esoteric]

Until the machine of times is invented, we will not know anything for certain By the way, I recently read fairy tales, not in their children's presentation, but in the original. It is something. If this is not a forgery, then we should not polish the "halo" above our heads.

[Oleg Kievlyanin]

They can and if it is profitable we will see

[tralflot1832]

Even wondering what sanctions China will impose? Although it is quietly oppressing its rolitiku.I must buy LNG in the United States for $ 22 billion before the age of 22, the year 20 ends and he barely crossed the 2 billion milestone. Will he switch from Boeing to Airbus? He is a good student. students from Taiwan are getting higher education in China. Maybe they won't have to fight.

[poquello]

Quote: tralflot1832

Will it switch from Boeing to Airbus?

and China seems to be working with us, maybe no politics - just business?

[gsev]

Quote: tralflot1832

Even wondering what sanctions China will introduce?

And what has Trump achieved by sanctions against China? It turned out that even the long-suffering company Huawei is able to manufacture its products for several more years without paying attention to Trump's sanctions attempts. She has created a stock of key parts for at least a year and maybe for a five-year period. And in a year or two, Huawei and its Chinese partners will apparently be able to master the production of components that they are prohibited from selling by sanctions. Production in the United States has stopped growing, and in China it is growing. It is technologically very difficult to return production from China to the United States. There are no designers, workers and technologists at the place of return to resume production.

[tralflot1832]

I would say it is already impossible. Apple tried, but the problem with logistics in the states. The meaning of the publication of our engineer, instead of micro screws, they were sent M 10 nuts and bolts.

[APASUS]

The Chinese are too beetle, they are ready to do a lot of things, but they do not make sudden movements.

[locator]

Quote: APASUS

The Chinese are too beetle, they are ready to do a lot of things, but they do not make sudden movements.

That's right .. They don't have a flight of soul and scope in politics and other movements .. Everyone is waiting for the corpses of their enemies to float along the river))))
We would have turned to Russia, we would have taken this Taiwan in a couple of days .. (just kidding))))

[gsev]

Quote: locman

We would have turned to Russia, we would have taken this Taiwan in a couple of days

But China and Taiwan have established mutually beneficial cooperation. Delta Electronics maintains its factories in the PRC. And the PRC has mastered the production of operator panels and power supplies. Soon, either the Chinese Vekon or Hinye will be able to produce better programmable controllers than the Taiwanese, Japanese and German thanks to such cooperation. Frequency converters are purely Chinese in quality, wonderful and easier to work with than French Schneider or Danish Danfos. And prices easily beat the whole of Europe.

[Esoteric]

Here they minus me for Peter the Great, but what is wrong? It was he who introduced the government of the country solely by his own decrees, which he scribbled in thousands. It got to the point that the burgomaster, a word that is plow, somewhere in Uryupinsk could not repair the bridge without asking the highest command. Sent to study? Well, yes, I did. I just didn't go into such boring things as the ability of this or that youth to this teaching. And no money. There are many testimonies of how the "students" in Italy were begging for bread and trousers.
And send a person suffering from seasickness to the navigation school? And these midshipmen, glorified, were eternally hungry, stripped and undressed. What is the study here?
Before Peter the peasant was a serf, yes, but he was not a slave, a thing that could be sold like a greyhound. It all came from him. And the division of the people into two communities. Actually the people and the nobility, education. Neither these nor these could understand each other, and were absolutely alien. They even spoke French. And this is the most important mine that he laid under the state, and in the end it exploded. Yes there is a lot more. His wild revelry, outright mockery of the church. Nikita Zotov, Lefort, Ekaterina, other very "wonderful" personalities from his entourage. The Old Believers simply called him Antichrist.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Ezoterik

Before Peter the peasant was a serf, yes, but he was not a slave, a thing that could be sold like a greyhound. It all came from him.

Oh come on! and under Yaroslav the Wise, and under Ivan the Terrible? not? did not sell at all? finally not once ???

Quote: Ezoterik

And the division of the people into two communities. Actually the people and the nobility, education.

well to go nuts!

Quote: Ezoterik

The Old Believers simply called him Antichrist.

ahhh ... where the wind blows from. understandably

[poquello]

Quote: SanichSan

Oh come on! belay and under Yaroslav the Wise, and under Ivan the Terrible? not? did not sell at all? finally not once ???

there were no serfs under Ivan the Terrible

[Sanichsan]

Quote: poquello

there were no serfs under Ivan the Terrible

that is, if under Ivan the Terrible this stratum of the population was called slaves, is that a completely different matter? or do you want to inform that the serf has more rights than a slave or serf?
By the way, where in the quote you have taken is the word "serf"?

[poquello]

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: poquello

there were no serfs under Ivan the Terrible

that is, if under Ivan the Terrible this stratum of the population was called slaves, is that a completely different matter? or do you want to inform that the serf has more rights than a slave or serf?
By the way, where in the quote you have taken is the word "serf"?

smoke deeper, the slave had more rights, and this is not the same layer of the population, slaves were those who fell into bondage

[Sanichsan]

Quote: poquello

smoke deeper, the slave had more rights

in which place? In what ways were the rights of a slave different from the rights of a slave? Let's just say, what rights did the slave have? it is clear that the slave had no rights.

Quote: poquello

slaves were those who fell into bondage

and you do not know that bondage is synonymous with slavery?

[poquello]

Quote: SanichSan

and you do not know that bondage is synonymous with slavery?

ett in Soviet books,

severe personal dependence, usually associated with a loan; as well as legal acts that formalized debt obligations.

[Sanichsan]

severe personal dependence, usually associated with a loan; as well as legal acts that formalized debt obligations.

this is an encyclopedic explanation of the term and in colloquial language it is synonymous with slavery
and ... how is it in the joke in which Stalin suggested to shoot the floor of the Politburo and paint the mausoleum green? "then there are no questions on the first point." Can't you say anything about the rights of slaves?

[poquello]

Quote: SanichSan

severe personal dependence, usually associated with a loan; as well as legal acts that formalized debt obligations.

this is an encyclopedic explanation of the term and in colloquial language it is synonymous with slavery

well, they would go somewhere to read books, or at least ask in what language))))))))))))))))) I used it

Quote: SanichSan

and ... how is it in the joke in which Stalin suggested to shoot the floor of the Politburo and paint the mausoleum green? "then there are no questions on the first point." Can't you say anything about the rights of slaves?

Duc said the same!

Quote: poquello

smoke deeper

the law code is there, what else is there

[Sanichsan]

Quote: poquello

the law code is there, what else is there

well, in the law code for the killed slave, they pay the virus 6 hryvnia, of course to the owner for reference, the same 6 give is paid if the horse is taken to ride without asking, not hijacked, but to ride.
it is immediately clear that the slave dofiga is right! what to soak, what to ride on a horse. finally more than a slave!