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Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Caucasus

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Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Caucasus

The current Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan is associated with the structures of businessman George Soros. According to a number of experts, it was Soros's sponsorship that Pashinyan owes to his coming to power in the country.


The George Soros Foundation has been operating in Armenia since 1997, investing tens of millions of dollars in support of pro-Western forces. It was with Soros's money that the “velvet revolution” was being prepared, which brought Nikol Pashinyan to power.

President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev himself calls Pashinyan a "product of Soros" and recalls that at one time the collapse of the Soviet state began with the events in Nagorno-Karabakh. Initially, Pashinyan declared loyalty to cooperation with the European Union and criticized Russia, but the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh forced the Armenian prime minister to reconsider his positions on cooperation with Moscow. At least declaratively. First of all, Pashinyan understood: without Russia's help, the region would come to a catastrophic situation for the Armenian people.

However, the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh may be costly not only for Pashinyan, but for the entire Soros project. And here there is the main contradiction of interests: on the one hand, it seems like Soros and his structures are opposed to Russia, but in the Transcaucasus their activities can lead to disastrous consequences just for Armenia. After all, there is no doubt that it is Moscow that is the main defender of Armenia in the Transcaucasus.

In addition, the Armenian economy is closely connected with the Russian one, so the attempts of Soros' people to build obstacles to Russian business in the country through the Armenian leadership are ultimately more harmful to Armenia than Russia. It is also worth recalling that migration and financial flows in Armenia are directed to and from Russia.

Armenia and Georgia have always been viewed by the West in terms of opposing Russian interests in the Transcaucasus. In this regard, they were of even greater interest to the West than Azerbaijan, which nevertheless belongs to American and European political scientists to be "Asian despotism", with whom it is more difficult to build relations than with pro-Western parties and organizations of Armenia or Georgia.

It is no coincidence that a large number of so-called human rights organizations, sponsored by the West, operate in Armenia. The conflict in Karabakh put these organizations in a difficult position: on the one hand, if Armenia loses, it will hit Russian interests in the Transcaucasus, on the other hand, it will cause a political fiasco for pro-Western forces led by Nikol Pashinyan in Armenia itself.

Already in Armenia, opposition sentiments towards Pashinyan and his policies are growing, and there is no doubt that such sentiments will only intensify in the foreseeable future. The growth of discontent will be especially associated with failures in the armed conflict with Azerbaijan. It is no coincidence that Pashinyan has recently started talking about the need to introduce Russian peacekeepers, and not NATO troops, into the Karabakh conflict zone.

However, for the Open Society Foundation itself, the loss of Karabakh is unlikely to play any significant role. It is clear that the fund's position in Armenia and the attitude towards it among the Armenian diaspora will change for the worse, but for Soros and his assistants, Armenia and the conflict in Karabakh are just an episode, and nothing will prevent attention from being turned to other countries.
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    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 21: 06
      -7
      Quote: Tatiana
      C xtuj hlb & Cjhjc njkmrj cgtrekzy, n. rjnjhs

      And don’t talk.
      Ujh, fnjuj - bcghfdbn's grave!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 26 October 2020 21: 15
        16
        Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Caucasus

        What is it for? Soros is just a financial speculator who makes money from inside information while serving his masters.
        Soros has 2 wallets - his own and the owner's, on which he works. Soros is essentially their hired EMPLOYEE, using his official position in a corrupt way.

        Therefore, Soros will always be with money - his own and others'!
        Soros, in principle, cannot go broke! Those who think about it differently are naive!
        Soros operates not so much with his own finances as with other people's finances - the finances of his owners.
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          2. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 21: 55
            10
            Stop clowning. Go to ... A minute of fame, show there how to quickly change the layout.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 22: 24
              -14 qualifying.
              Quote: Alexander Kopychev
              Go to

              Direct your dad
              1. Alexander Kopychev
                Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 22: 48
                +6
                What's so simple? I could complicate things so that I scratch my turnips until morning.
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 23: 26
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                  What's so simple?

                  I try to measure my answers to the level of development of the addressee. What good is it to me if you itch all night?
                  1. Alexander Kopychev
                    Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 13: 58
                    0
                    You can send me anywhere, I admit you have full moral right. I expected a commensurate answer. But behind my personal framework, your rights end. Don't insult anyone except Alexander Kopychev - he deliberately deserves it. hi
        2. deniso
          deniso 26 October 2020 23: 14
          +1
          There are Pashinyanites in the government!
          Soros only me!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 26 October 2020 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: denis obuckov
            Soros only me!

            Well, at least there are honest people, he himself admitted.
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 27 October 2020 22: 10
          0
          Ilya believes that the loss of Artsakh-Karabakh will become a fiasco for Pashinyan and the soros in Armenia. And expert Hakobyan believes on the contrary that Soros conceived this multi-step complex adventure in order to discredit Russia, increase support for Pashinyan and "take Armenia to the West." Who is right? It will be clear soon.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 27 October 2020 23: 11
            -2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Soros conceived this multi-step complex adventure in order to discredit Russia, increase support for Pashinyan and "take Armenia to the West." Who is right? It will be clear soon.

            The impetus for the decision of the Azerbaijani leadership to start hostilities was the provision of military-technical and, in some cases direct military, assistance from Turkey. (It is already known that Azerbaijan owes 2/3 of this victory to the direct participation of Turkey.) As well as Turkey, which provided Baku with a kind of foreign policy umbrella from the predictable "international indignation".

            At the same time, while Ankara in this conflict pursues goals that lie outside of Azerbaijan proper. These are:
            1. This is a demonstration of the fundamentally increased geopolitical importance of Turkey in the region as a player capable of influencing processes in neighboring countries.
            2. The consolidation of Baku in the zone of its indisputable - TURKISH - global interests, and the formation of a reliable corridor from it for the continuation of the TURKISH expansion into Central Asia.
            - a) Including, with the accompanying limitation of the value of Iran there. At least in the Caspian region.
            - b) With the subsequent projection of its increased regional weight to the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East.

            As for Armenia as a state, in the future it will be swept away by the Islamists in the direction of their advancement to the west.
            This is Erdogan's conspiracy with Aliyev, to which Iran will join.

            The Anglo-Saxons are partly as long as all this suits insofar as they will not interfere in it.
      2. businessv
        businessv 26 October 2020 22: 03
        +2
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        And don't say. Ujh, fnjuj - bcghfdbn's grave!
        I don’t understand why you were stuck on sleepers ?! Thanks for the fun! good drinks
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 22: 26
          -2
          Quote: businessv
          I don’t understand why you were stuck in the sleepers?

          Unmotivated aggression is a sign of powerful intelligence.
  2. Cartalon
    Cartalon 26 October 2020 21: 07
    +4
    The defeat of Armenia will be followed by the withdrawal of Russia from the Transcaucasia, and somehow do not care about Soros.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 26 October 2020 21: 16
      27
      After the defeat of Armenia, it will have a choice. Or to go completely westward following the example of the Gabunis who betrayed it, or to realize reality and grab a stranglehold on Russia. In the first case, we will simply turn our attention to the son of the KGB general and MGIMO graduate Aliyev. I think it will be easier to work with him. But if the Turks and Azeris decide that Armenia does not need the border with Iran so much. as Azeri the way to Nakhichevan, then who will prevent them? wink In the second, the Armenians will have to choose once again how to live - for love or for convenience? For example, Russia should not hint to allies. that Crimea, South Ossetia and Abkhazia should be recognized. This should be taken for granted. Again, if the Russian Federation is fighting somewhere, then at least small contingents of allies should help it. At least as a symbol. As is customary between the United States and New Zealand and Australia, for example.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 26 October 2020 21: 26
        -9
        A graduate of MGIMO, two countries - one people, all those terrible terrorists whom we have been destroying in Syria for 5 years in thousands will be in Dagestan, the Turkic world will cost even in those places where not a single Turk was born.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 27 October 2020 13: 24
          +4
          Syrian cannon fodder is definitely not a problem. Azeri are Shiites. To the Syrian Sunni radicals, they are nastier than cats. No base shines for them. Therefore, the more Syrian militants are utilized in the NKR, the easier it will be for us to attack in Idlib. And I think it is not far off.
      2. Egor53
        Egor53 26 October 2020 22: 46
        13
        After the defeat of Armenia, it will have no choice. It will not have not only Karabakh, but also the border with Iran. The Armenian cunning will cost them dearly.
        And Russia will not be cold, and not hot. Armenia has been behaving like an enemy of Russia for several years now. Now let him receive for this.
        The plus for us is that Russia doesn't need to do anything to destroy Armenia.
      3. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 27 October 2020 12: 18
        +1
        Russia should not hint to allies. that Crimea, South Ossetia and Abkhazia should be recognized. This should be taken for granted. Again, if the Russian Federation is fighting somewhere, then at least small contingents of allies should help it. At least as a symbol

        In terms of allied aid, Armenia is the only CSTO country that has sent military sappers to Syria.
        As for the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, I will tell you this: Russia will be the last to demand from Armenia the recognition of these territories. Armenians have only 2 open borders: Iran and Georgia. Iran is clearly not entering world markets. Everything goes through Georgia. Including trade with Russia, including a gas pipeline, as well as access to the seaport.
        Closing or even tightening control of the Georgian border is like death for the Armenian economy.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 27 October 2020 13: 31
          +4
          And also "Armenia is not a member of NATO, however, it takes part in the NATO Partnership for Peace program and is a member of the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, where it implements individual partnership action plans (IPAP) - programs for countries whose politicians can and wish to deepen relations with NATO. Armenia seeks to develop its peacekeeping contingent according to NATO standards, Yerevan and NATO are negotiating on the reform of Armenia's military education. Military support to Armenia from Washington in 2005 amounted to $ 5 million; in April 2004, the parties signed an agreement on military-technical cooperation. In 2005, the United States allocated $ 7 million to modernize the communications system of the Armenian Armed Forces. Armenian peacekeepers are also participating in the NATO mission in Afghanistan. " wink
          Of course, Russia will not demand anything. This is your choice. But gabunistan is our enemy, and you trade through it. request Although you can do it through Iran and Russia. Well, if so, then we live by calculation. There are CSTO obligations to protect the territory of Armenia itself. We will fulfill them exactly as much as it is written in the contract. And you have no right to demand something more. request
          1. Nasdaq
            Nasdaq 27 October 2020 15: 57
            0
            It's your choice

            This is clearly not for me.
            Armenia does not have a common border with Russia. Here either Iran or Georgia.
            The Iranian route is in the southern direction, so I suppose there is nothing special to catch. Georgia is a gateway to Russia and a port for international trade.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 October 2020 23: 31
      0
      Quote: Cartalon
      The defeat of Armenia will be followed by the withdrawal of Russia from the Transcaucasia, and somehow do not care about Soros.

      Soros will get out, and still remain in Armenia, unlike ...
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  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 26 October 2020 21: 10
    11
    All those who are behind the Soros fund are going according to plan - Armenia, represented by Pashinyan, surrenders Nagorno-Karabakh and leaves the CSTO for NATO, and then for the EU.

    Pashinyan is a traitor to the Armenian people! And the Armenians were deceived by promising a sweet life. It’s time to understand that to live like in Germany, you have to work like Germans, and not just jump and shout that we want to join NATO and the EU.
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 26 October 2020 21: 41
      +4
      No one will take Armenia to the EU, but Pashinyan and his entourage will live well for Azerbaijani grants.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 27 October 2020 06: 32
        0
        Quote: Voentorg
        No one will take Armenia to the EU, but Pashinyan and his entourage will live well for Azerbaijani grants.

        Here Pashinyan will be taken to the EU, he will write fairy tales like Gorbachev.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 26 October 2020 22: 13
      -2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      All those who are behind the Soros fund are going according to plan - Armenia, represented by Pashinyan, surrenders Nagorno-Karabakh and leaves the CSTO for NATO, and then for the EU.

      Pashinyan is a traitor to the Armenian people! And the Armenians were deceived by promising a sweet life. It’s time to understand that to live like in Germany, you have to work like Germans, and not just jump and shout that we want to join NATO and the EU.

      The Ukrainian government is composed mainly of soros. Azerov is pushed by Erdogan. There is a game of depletion and release of space. And what is in the depths of Karabakh? Uranium, rare earths, gold, sapphires? Legends are sophistry, what is the economic interest of the players? Let's say Russia leaves, then what?
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 October 2020 22: 19
        +2
        Quote: Balu
        And what is in the depths of Karabakh? Uranium, rare earths, gold, sapphires?

      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 26 October 2020 23: 37
        0
        Quote: Balu
        Let's say Russia leaves, then what?

        Erdogan will come. Look at the map of 1913 and 2020, and it will become clear who and what fucked.
      3. Drago
        Drago 28 October 2020 00: 18
        0
        Next? Next? Next? Azerbaijan oil and Turkmen gas. And access to Central Asia.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 October 2020 23: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It's time to understand that to live like in Germany, you have to work like Germans, and not just jump and shout that we want to join NATO and the EU.

      There are many such people who want to join their NATO, but they will live like in Armenia.
    4. Old tanker
      Old tanker 27 October 2020 07: 22
      +1
      I doubt that Turkey will give Armenia a good accession to NATO fool
      In NATO, everything is decided only by consensus, i.e. the consent of all!
      So Armenia will have only two ways: either to lick the feet of Russia or to die quietly in the ring of enemies.
  5. Hypertension
    Hypertension 26 October 2020 21: 17
    +6
    Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh

    For a hypothetical? Yes, even if DB stops right now, Armenia will be left without equipment - everything was knocked out. Not to mention the drugs. Armenian Armed Forces already exsanguinated in material and human terms. Hypothetically, damn it ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 October 2020 21: 21
      0
      "We are ready even for painful compromises, but the Armenian people are not ready for surrender. The Armenian people must find the resources to resist and defend their rights, "insists Prime Minister Pashinyan.

      https://ria.ru/20201026/karabakh-1581638304.html?in=t
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 26 October 2020 21: 34
        +4
        Pashinyan is a hostage of the situation. Nobles licking, as they say. He is ready to fight to the last Armenian. The question is - are the Armenians ready? I think that after flying into the trenches, the missiles from Bayraktar are not ready. And rightly so - you can't beat the butt with a whip. Modern wars are like that. Not prepared in advance - get a carnage. Courage and spirit come second ...
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  6. Voentorg
    Voentorg 26 October 2020 21: 28
    -11 qualifying.
    For this and general mobilization.
    The military commissars strictly select critics and oppositionists.
    Further to the front line.
    The air defense guys turn off the radars, and the UAVs cut down the Armenians.
    This is a plan to stay in power after the Karabakh drain.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 21: 36
      +4
      a whiff of madness
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 26 October 2020 21: 44
    +4
    Yes, for the Russian Federation, everything is just fine. Another example to all non-brothers, what will happen to them without the Russian Federation, and the example is shown not for our money and without our blood. It is not in our interests to climb there, they will come running, they have nowhere to go. And we will think about it.
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 26 October 2020 21: 47
      -5
      Ethnic Russian, serviceman of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, soldier Solntsev Dmitry Alexandrovich, died for Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh.

      https://m.zerkalo.az/otvazhnyj-syn-azerbajdzhana-soldat-solntsev-dmitrij-pogib-za-osvobozhdenie-karabaha/

      Someone found an Azerbaijani in himself ...
      1. Old Kaa
        Old Kaa 26 October 2020 21: 57
        +3
        Died for the liberation of Karabakh from local residents for terrorists from Syria
        1. Voentorg
          Voentorg 26 October 2020 21: 59
          -7
          It would be better to fight for the liberation of Baku from the Asian invaders.
      2. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 22: 07
        +6
        About the deceased, either nothing or good.

        What do you know about him so that you can just giggle.
        1. Ganja
          Ganja 26 October 2020 22: 14
          -1
          I completely agree with you, and in the first Karabakh and now in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan people of many nationalities, citizens of Azerbaijan, serve for their homeland, and no matter how hard all the well-wishers of Azerbaijan tried, no one saw fighters from Syria
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 22: 20
            +2
            Enraged !!!!!!!!!!! am They sneer ... And maybe someone where was born there and came in handy all the same?
            1. Voentorg
              Voentorg 26 October 2020 22: 22
              -7
              Tell this to the Armenians from Sumgait or the Russians from Kiev ...
              All your sayings are wrong.
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          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 26 October 2020 23: 04
            -2
            Quote: Ganja
            no matter how hard all the well-wishers of Azerbaijan tried, no one saw any militants from Syria

            It is you - the victim of the domestic pro-Aliyev and pro-Turkish propaganda - the Syrian militants have not "seen" and, out of stupidity and naivety, do not want to admit it, but at least listen to this information!

            For the participation of the pro-Turkish Syrian militants of Erdogan and all other participation of Turkey in the military-political relation in the massacre of the NKR by Azerbaijan, Aliyev will have to pay FULLY with Erdogan and Turkey with certain concessions in favor of the formation of Turkish Turan by the Turks - i.e. Neopttoman Empire, in which Azerbaijan is assigned a role subordinate to Turkey.

            Here is proof of the participation of Erdogan's pro-Turkish mercenaries in the war in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan!

            “Get us out of this swamp” call from a Syrian mercenary to Turkey. 459 views • Oct 21, 2020
            1. Alexander Kopychev
              Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 23: 06
              +2
              I will modestly keep silent hi
            2. Ganja
              Ganja 27 October 2020 11: 04
              +1
              This whole geopolitical game is rooted in the First World War, if not further, global financiers control all these processes. The main task is to get more resources into your own hands. They succeeded in 5/6 of the land, 1/6 of the part remained, and then almost everything has been tidied up, they just need to cry and the Chinese masons will not be allowed to the riches of Siberia. As for Karabakh, these guys do not care who lives there (according to them, the best of all, no one lived there. It was not for nothing that they invented COVID-19) and now in essence. In the first Karabakh conflict, Afghans helped us, there were about 1500 of them maximum. So in every village, not to mention the big cities, people saw them, even the Armenians took photographs of the killed Afghans. The graves of some of the fallen Afghans still stand in cemeteries. But none of the ordinary people and the military have seen these Syrians in the eye either. These are the fantasies of the Armenian assistants Macron, Naryshkin, and so on. For almost 200 years minus 70 Soviet, the domination of Moscow in the Caucasus in the Kremlin could not understand that the Armenians before the Russians betrayed Parthia, Persia, Mithridates, Byzantium, the Ottomans and the Soviet Union and clearly betrayed Russia. These people live in an ancient era, their thinking is not even feudal, but slave-like, despite the fact that in the yard there is already the 21st century from the birth of Christ. So dear, if you have a question, please do not hesitate to pay for the lessons, you do not need to
        2. Voentorg
          Voentorg 26 October 2020 22: 15
          -8
          Quote: Alexander Kopychev
          About the deceased, either nothing or good.

          Are you seriously ? Is this a bad rule, like with criminals, bad commanders, traitors?



          What kind of person goes to fight for a foreign country? For other people's interests? De facto a little against their homeland (surrender of Karabakh is unprofitable for Russia)? Russians in Azerbaijan are people of 2nd grade.
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 22: 25
            +2
            Prove to me that this is a mercenary. I will apologize to you personally and to the entire audience.
            1. Voentorg
              Voentorg 26 October 2020 22: 38
              -2
              According to your logic, ethnic Russians from Kiev need to fight against the Russian Donbass?
              1. Alexander Kopychev
                Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 23: 01
                0
                I had a friend in the GSVG, Sergeant Mamedov (Mamed-Ogly). I would fit in for him.
          2. Ganja
            Ganja 26 October 2020 22: 26
            +2
            What makes you think that Russians in Azerbaijan are second-class people? In Baku, everyone speaks Russian fluently, and how can Russian be second-rate when and when he is in his environment?
          3. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 27 October 2020 01: 33
            -2
            Russians in Azerbaijan are people of 2nd grade.
            Excuse me for asking, but did I say such crap to you?
            I am Russian, live in Baku. Here I have many Russian (as well as Azerbaijani) friends and acquaintances. My husband is Russian, works as a manager. leading department in a large international Azerbaijani company.
            A good friend, Russian, head of the department of the Maritime Academy of Azerbaijan.
            Neighbor - Russian, head physician of an ambulance. I was recently a witness in court, the judge is Russian.
            There is a Russian sector in every kindergarten and school. University, and they are all always full. I can speak Russian and download my rights everywhere. Russian channels are not closed, they work quietly. There are 3 large Orthodox churches in Baku, one of which was built by an Azerbaijani philanthropist with his own money and donated to the Russian Orthodox Church. So, what are the Russians in Azerbaijan, people of the 2nd class? Well, what do you think it should be? Maybe you are right and I don’t see or understand something?
  8. Deniska999
    Deniska999 26 October 2020 21: 51
    +3
    Someone about what, but here everyone is dreaming of when Soros will bend)
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 27 October 2020 13: 10
      0
      Well, Obama is already shitting in the elevators less .. now it remains Soros to "bend" .. and we will live .. finally ..))
  9. seacap
    seacap 26 October 2020 21: 54
    +6
    The George Soros Foundation has been operating in Armenia since 1997, investing tens of millions of dollars in support of pro-Western forces.
    What has our elite been doing all this time? More than 2 million Armenians in our country, as a rule, are hucksters, why they just fattened, getting stupid from the dough and did not influence everything that happened and develop their small homeland. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other relevant services, only expressed regrets, and smeared snot on their cheeks, than All this time they were engaged in the lands of the Russian Empire, for some reason thrown out of the country by a drunken ambitious degenerate foreman? What is now to lament, cluck and flap their wings, when the grandfathers fought, and we all slept (r) ali. Yes, and our colonial administration, financial speculators, this is not about the development of the state and the multiplication of the people, this is about degradation and squalor, deception and theft, impunity and irresponsibility. do not miss the moment), but take with you everything that is not screwed on and nailed. Not to Armenia, just as there was nothing to do with Ukraine, and 14 other republics, they measured everything for the loot and stroked the pipe, but it turned out that the loot does not solve everything. We need political will, an intellectual level of leadership that corresponds to the level of emerging problems, powerful economically , militarily and educationally and culturally, a sovereign state with a sovereign ruling class, and most importantly, a developed social, cohesive society
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 26 October 2020 22: 14
      +3
      +++++++
      Ideology will appear, Society will appear. And today one continuous mortal sin of some kind ... Ugh !!!
      1. your1970
        your1970 27 October 2020 12: 12
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
        +++++++
        Ideology will appear, Society will appear. And today one continuous mortal sin of some kind ... Ugh !!!
        - will not appear .... there is no common idea that unites people ...
        Even here on VO when discussing ANY the question is a lot of disagreeing ... even if it is the size of the third bolt to the left of the rivet ... I am silent about serious topics, there is no unity even on topics that are more than a hundred years old ...
        But that's not even the point ... let's say ..
        They accepted the idea, shot those who disagreed with it, planted saboteurs and traitors ...
        A couple of years have passed (no more !!) and the young people ask the question "Dear citizens! We are plowing here - and we can't see the light at the end of the tunnel! What a joy to us from the fact that Chubais was rolled out with an asphalt roller, Gref cuts the Northern Sea Route with a crowbar, and Siluanov already cut the floor of the taiga with a jigsaw ?? "
        What will you answer her - "wait 10 years! Then maybe we will do something !!!" ???
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 12: 19
          0
          WILL APPEAR - not during our lifetime, but will appear. There are enough impulses for development in the history of mankind, so I am calm by and large - WILL APPEAR.
          1. your1970
            your1970 27 October 2020 15: 43
            0
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            WILL APPEAR - not during our lifetime, but it will appear.

            Then this is not knowledge, but simply FAITH ... An abstract thing ..
            Capitalism as an idea ("Urvi and live at the expense of others") has existed for a thousand and a half years.
            Socialism - in the opinion of many in VO, it existed for only 35 years, and then the IDEA was perverted by Khrushchev and Brezhnev ...
            1500 and 35 - the difference is significant ...
            Yes, you yourself understand this - "someday later ,,,"
            1. Alexander Kopychev
              Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 16: 17
              0
              Faith is a religion, a dogma. I rely on solid knowledge that humanity survives through constant development. Capitalism is not 1500, but 500 years old and it is becoming obsolete, the birth of a new Idea is beginning to mature, hence my confidence ... Forgive me if I take your time. hi
              1. your1970
                your1970 27 October 2020 18: 30
                0
                Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                Capitalism is not 1500, but 500 years old
                - if you count it as a formation. If you count it as an idea - "Urvi and live at the expense of others" - then at least 1500. But fig with him ..
                even in your opinion, it is 500 years old, which is much more than the idea of ​​socialism ...
                The idea of ​​socialism is damn good and attractive, but as practice has shown, it is too tender and sensitive, the leader who is in charge is too important. Well, the system cannot constantly depend on the presence of Stalin - sometimes Gorbachev gets into it. And there are no guarantees from him, moreover - the control system itself gives rise to such as MSG
                1. Alexander Kopychev
                  Alexander Kopychev 27 October 2020 19: 10
                  -1
                  You are misinterpreting me. I am not an adherent of socialism. I feel closer, don’t laugh, the ideas of Communism. ideas, not Communism itself, which no one has seen. This is the construction of a just society that I expect from the future, and it does not matter what it will be called.
            2. Drago
              Drago 28 October 2020 00: 21
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              There will be technical progress.
  10. flicker
    flicker 26 October 2020 21: 56
    +1
    According to a number of experts, it was Soros's sponsorship that Pashinyan owes to his coming to power in the country.
    Soros Soros, but the influence of the Armenian diaspora on the elite of Armenia in the United States has not yet been canceled.
    ---
    The Armenians (the elite of Armenia) value their American diaspora very much.
    It is believed that she is influential and that she uses her influence to advance common Armenian interests.
    So they fought for years for the recognition of the Armenian genocide by the Turks. And they seemed to be about to achieve this - it was at the time when Armenia was part of the Union.
    As soon as the Union collapsed, the opportunities for the Armenian diaspora in the United States dropped sharply.
    And only in 2019 (when the United States was extremely dissatisfied with Turkey's policy towards the Kurds), the US House of Representatives adopted a resolution formally recognizing the genocide.
    ---
    Who knows, maybe this resolution was a condition for Pashinyan's coming to power in Armenia, and the subsequent coming of Karabakh plums.
    And in fact, now it is the drain of Karabakh by the leadership of Armenia that is taking place, although formally everything is framed as a struggle for Karabakh.
    ---
    In short, the recognition of the genocide for the drain of Karabakh.
  11. Ganja
    Ganja 26 October 2020 22: 05
    +3
    I read the comments and marvel at the aspirations of those seeking Russian interests in the Caucasus. Guys, the train left for a long time already in 1991 instead of the Soviet Union, there is no and cannot be the interest of Russia outside the context of the USSR. What you are trying to call Russian interests is in fact the interest of the owners of Soros and partly of the organized criminal group that operates in the Russian Federation, and the Armenians, just in their historical role, are changing owners. Aliyev still spoke softly about the fact that the Armenians destroyed the USSR. I will say more, they have destroyed our future and the lives of many thousands of young and not young people too. An ordinary Armenian does not understand what he lost with the Soviet Union, just as you do not understand that there is no interest in Russia
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 27 October 2020 13: 07
      -2
      partly an organized crime group that operates in the Russian Federation

      Well, if we have an organized criminal group, then you have WHAT? Hereditary (family, clan) organized crime group ???
  12. north 2
    north 2 26 October 2020 22: 44
    +6
    Quote: g1v2
    After the defeat of Armenia, it will have a choice. Or to go completely westward following the example of the Gabunis who betrayed it, or to realize reality and grab a stranglehold on Russia. In the first case, we will simply turn our attention to the son of the KGB general and MGIMO graduate Aliyev. I think it will be easier to work with him. But if the Turks and Azeris decide that Armenia does not need the border with Iran so much. as Azeri the way to Nakhichevan, then who will prevent them? wink In the second, the Armenians will have to choose once again how to live - for love or for convenience? For example, Russia should not hint to allies. that Crimea, South Ossetia and Abkhazia should be recognized. This should be taken for granted. Again, if the Russian Federation is fighting somewhere, then at least small contingents of allies should help it. At least as a symbol. As is customary between the United States and New Zealand and Australia, for example.

    I agree with you. The non-recognition by the states of the DOCB of Crimea as a part of Russia is nothing more than the non-recognition of the borders of the Russian state. But according to the DOKB, not only Russia in case of an attack
    to Armenia or Belarus must defend the entire territory of these states, but in the event of an attack on Russia, Armenia or Belarus must come to the rescue in order to protect the entire
    integrity of the territory of Russia. And how will they do this if they do not recognize the borders of Russia, that is, they do not recognize that Crimea is the territory of Russia. Turkey or Ukraine will attack Russia in Crimea, and the Armenians and Belarusians will say that this is not Russia and we don’t know anything about it ... What is this DOKB.
    Armenian soldiers, who have been between war and peace every day for thirty years,
    had to beg Russia so that Russia would take at least some of them to Syria. At least a company, at least
    several pilots, spotters, at least a few air defense crews, reconnaissance
    EW specialists. This is primarily a combat experience for Armenian officers, and secondly, it is a moral side if you are in the same military treaty with Russia. After all, Armenian generals could have said to Shoigu, -... you know, maybe we will have to defend Russia according to the DOKB, it would not be bad for our officers and soldiers to recruit in Syria, in a place with Russian experience ... protect according to the DOKB, because it does not recognize the integrity of the territory of Russia, including the Crimea, they
    did not prepare for the present in the modern and NK to defend. Allies ... But those barmaley that
    Armenians could train to beat in Syria, now they are climbing into NK ..
  13. deniso
    deniso 26 October 2020 23: 11
    0
    The case when shit says it's not shit, but it stinks of shit ...
  14. certero
    certero 26 October 2020 23: 15
    +2
    Quote: north 2
    After all, the Armenian generals could say to Shoigu, -... you know, maybe we will have to defend Russia according to the DOKB, so it would not be bad for our officers and soldiers to recruit in Syria, in a place with Russian experience ...

    Very rightly noticed
  15. karpusha
    karpusha 27 October 2020 00: 24
    -4
    It would be better to think about how to finally build a strong state and society in Russia. And they were not looking for Soros in the corners. All the troubles of modern Russia are in the country's backwardness from more developed countries. Economic, political, technical backwardness. Develop your state and drive thieves in power, maybe then all sorts of Turkey and Ukraine will not yap at you.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 27 October 2020 13: 17
      +1
      And they were not looking for Soros in the corners ..... chase the powerful thieves

      So these are the very thieves who shout that the Soros are to blame for everything.
      So that it doesn't occur to anyone to drive them ..

      The lower classes can't, but the upper classes don't want to ..
  16. nznz
    nznz 27 October 2020 00: 30
    -1
    Zhirinovsky, as he said, let them fight, let anyone put anything there. no one except Russia will dare to send troops there. Therefore, when everyone there fights and kunut everyone, they will simply zany on all fours back to the union. Only the Russian Federation managed to preserve its independence, but on the verge was. The rest, even Aliyev is strongly under the Turks, Gruzma too .. everything is like under the tsar. Nanut strangle-creep. Only you cannot enter twice, you know where. that's when you have to pay for security ...
  17. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 27 October 2020 03: 30
    -2
    Quote: Hyperion
    Pashinyan is a hostage of the situation. Nobles licking, as they say. He is ready to fight to the last Armenian. The question is - are the Armenians ready? I think that after flying into the trenches, the missiles from Bayraktar are not ready. And rightly so - you can't beat the butt with a whip. Modern wars are like that. Not prepared in advance - get a carnage. Courage and spirit come second ...

    Where did you see their courage and spirit? The courage and spirit of the Armenians sharply arises with the appearance of the Russian tricolor between them and the Azerbaijani Armed Forces.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 27 October 2020 06: 10
    0
    "Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Transcaucasus" ... so Pashinyan was actually brought to power for this, to ensure the defeat of Armenia. For Soros, the worse in Armenia, the better, they will be more accommodating. Americans are interested in Armenia by its position, the direct border with Iran and Azerbaijan, Turkey.
  19. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 27 October 2020 06: 43
    0
    The collapse of Soros is possible only in the event of the collapse of the Russian state.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 27 October 2020 13: 18
      0
      By the way, an interesting version ..
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 27 October 2020 10: 13
    +2
    Ha. And isn't it a shame to blame everything on Soros?
    For 30 years now, everyone has been falling on him, on a 90-year-old old man. By the way, one of the poorest of their known billionaires ...

    Surely plays and revels in the role of a switchman ...

    By the way, tens of millions of bucks ..... these are mere pennies!

    The powerful Armenian diaspora in the United States, Europe, Russia ... Trade, restaurants, health care ... not tens of millions, but billions could invest ... if only it was necessary ...
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 October 2020 10: 56
    0
    Soros is over 90 years old.
    Rothschild died recently, now everyone is grinding Soros. smile
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 56
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Soros is over 90 years old.
      Rothschild died recently, now everyone is grinding Soros. smile

      Do not dismiss the entire top of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the head of the GRU of the Russian Ministry of Defense ...
  22. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 11: 18
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Caucasus

    What is it for? Soros is just a financial speculator who makes money from inside information while serving his masters.
    Soros has 2 wallets - his own and the owner's, on which he works. Soros is essentially their hired EMPLOYEE, using his official position in a corrupt way.

    Therefore, Soros will always be with money - his own and others'!
    Soros, in principle, cannot go broke! Those who think about it differently are naive!
    Soros operates not so much with his own finances as with other people's finances - the finances of his owners.

    I would also add that those who believe that even the loss of Karabakh will lead to confusion, a change in course, and the departure of Pashinyan are also naive. We lost Armenia under the previous president, Pashinyan's arrival only consolidated the result of many years of struggle between us and the Americans, and marked our defeat, and it's time to stop being naive about this and proceed from realities, not phantom pains.
    Pashinyan now has practically no competitors, behind him is Soros, which means the United States, we do not have a sufficiently promoted opponent for Pashinyan and we do not have a resource. Moreover, everyone is discussing the possible surrender of Karabakh by Pashinyan as part of the American plan in the Transcaucasus. The question is essentially closed, everything else is just a show and nothing more.
  23. iouris
    iouris 27 October 2020 12: 12
    0
    Practically speaking, Armenia cannot be defeated in Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia was defeated in Armenia. Another question: what is Pashinyan really trying to achieve? And they all lost. Who won?
  24. Selevc
    Selevc 27 October 2020 15: 21
    0
    Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation:
    And what is Soros Armenian ??? If so why is he Soros and not Sorosyan ??? !!! Ahh understood - this is an Armenian oligarch-spy disguised as a Greek !!! Dexterously cleverly working "Alice of Armenian Radio" in the wonderland of the world behind the scenes !!!
  25. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 17: 15
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    Quote: iouris
    Practically speaking, Armenia cannot be defeated in Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia was defeated in Armenia. Another question: what is Pashinyan really trying to achieve? And they all lost. Who won?
    All this is lyrics. Armenia is almost one step away from defeat, and not recognizing it two steps away from surrender on the fact of the defeat of the Armenian army in Karabakh, and there are concentrated almost all the main forces and units of the Armenian army.
    Pashinyan needs defeat and the dumping of ballast in the form of Karabakh and the Karabakh clan, in principle, he has already practically succeeded. He has to reckon with the risk of a coup, therefore he plays everything carefully, gradually bringing Armenia to the line beyond which the surrender of Karabakh will be perceived by the population as salvation.
  26. Mmm.
    Mmm. 27 October 2020 17: 22
    0
    Serves scoundrels, hypocrites, thieves, nationalists and Russophobes right. We need to give them a chance to prove themselves and to disentangle the consequences of their decisions and actions, and to give them a kick for loyalty. Why should we help and support them? Because they once again spat on us, but how did it get hot again "help"?
  27. Old26
    Old26 27 October 2020 18: 09
    -2
    Quote: Voentorg
    According to your logic, ethnic Russians from Kiev need to fight against the Russian Donbass?

    Are you sure there are no such cases? And if an ethnic Russian has lived all his life in Azerbaijan, and is a 2-3 generation resident of this republic, why should he not go to fight for his Motherland, which is Azerbaijan?
  28. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 27 October 2020 22: 54
    -1
    However, the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh may be costly not only for Pashinyan, but for the entire Soros project.

    Soros hired Pashinyan for himself, long before the change of power in Armenia ... now, as a result of the war, not the Soros in Armenia will be discredited, and the Russian Federation, which did not defend Nagorno-Karabakh, not recognized by Armenia itself ...
    Well, then the Armenians, as when the Georgians will be told that all good things can be connected with Armenia only with the EU and the USA ...
    I will not be surprised that even before the end of the conflict in NKR, outraged citizens of Armenia will attack Russian military units and its military facilities, as well as hold rallies near the Russian Embassy in Armenia ...
    As soon as snow falls in the NKR mountains and active hostilities cease, protests against the Russian Federation will begin in Armenia ... which prevents them from quickly heal happily and safely, as in the EU ...
    And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (headed by the Armenian Lavrov) will only make a pitiful face and repeat to the citizens of the Russian Federation about the obligation to protect Armenia with the lives of Russians until 2044.
  29. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 28 October 2020 07: 22
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    Those. As far as I understand, the West is heating up a hot spot in Karabakh through Soros. It remains only to stock up on popcorn and watch when other players enter the arena. I hope the Russian rulers will be smart enough not to get into this trap officially. It is designed for Russia.
  30. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 October 2020 09: 47
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    Of course, nothing like that will follow! The Soros Foundation will strengthen in any case, especially if Armenia suffers the most difficult and shameful defeat! The best result for the Soros Foundation will be a hellish massacre of Armenians on the ruins of their state, with many millions of victims. I am sure that the management of the fund regrets a lot that such a result is now unattainable.
    The author, as usual today, is in the captivity of fossilized ideas. With the screams of "going beyond", thinking almost died, so it's not surprising. The author believes that the whole movement is started in order to benefit Armenia and the Armenians. Like if the country flourishes, everyone else will envy and believe in the holy Soros fund ... Damn, some kind of childhood.
    The Foundation is an organization that works to bring victories to certain circles in the United States and in the world. Not even the United States itself, although its prosperity is highly desirable for the management of the fund (within limited and fully controlled limits). Actually, there is a group of people controlling large masses of money (this is not as important as it seems to most people, although it is necessary) and, most importantly, large human resources. Here they are, this group of people, and they also act through the foundation.
    This group does not benefit from the strengthening of power, and it certainly does not benefit from prosperity in any state. This is simply due to the fact that the group is one of the groups striving for power as such. EVERYONE, absolutely all power-hungry people understand power as a weakening of the power of others. The weakening of power occurs primarily to the extent that its base - human and production resources - is weakening. That is, any government of any country that manages to raise its production and improve human well-being increases its power. Thus, reducing the ability of the Soros Foundation to influence this country and its people. Which makes ANY such country a prime target for the foundation.
    As for Armenia itself ... However, here it is necessary to do an analysis, and there is neither time nor desire for that.
  31. 1536
    1536 28 October 2020 10: 53
    0
    Russia in zugzwang! This chess term describes the situation well.
    This is good, our Caucasian "friends" have skillfully done it with her. Well, it’s her own fault, not knowing the ford, don’t poke your nose into the water, don’t sit down to play with those against whom it’s impossible to win. The conclusion is this: since we do not print dollars, therefore, it is necessary to quietly and preferably peacefully go about our business inside the country: build, invent, work, raise children, relax. But at the same time, limit the influence of "Caucasian friends", as well as "friends of the Caucasus" on foreign and domestic policy, and then completely exclude it. Well, at least Russia can do it or not, has the "green" money determined the future? It is nondescript, in that case.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 28 October 2020 12: 08
      0
      Beautiful ... but impossible. Russia has been trying to do this for many centuries. It has never worked out yet ...
  32. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 29 October 2020 10: 58
    0
    The war in Karabakh is not Pashinyan's failure, it is his goal. The goal is to remove the territorial issue. And then hello to the US base, as in Kosovo. And you don't need any NATO. In defeat, Russia will be blamed. This will be done by "independent" media. And if someone vyaknetsya, then they will take out to the streets, students. Their mothers and fathers won't even say a word to them, Litvinia is an example of that. As a result, all these trans-Caspian and other projects will be under US control. Hello Erdogan and Aliyev. And, of course, Iran will now be able to bomb from the north. So Russia will not be the loser here. Conceptually, nothing will change for Russia.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 30 October 2020 15: 06
      0
      Quote: Gunter Preen
      Conceptually, nothing will change for Russia.

      Yeah - well, the grandmother on the bench may still believe in this, but not a person who is more or less friendly with his head !!!
      In fact, the fall of Karabakh is a kind of signal to all the hot spots of the former USSR - which reads "This is how we quickly solved our territorial problem !!!"
      Today the chain Turkey-Azerbaijan-Karabakh exists and is at war, tomorrow the chain Romania-Moldova-Transnistria will catch fire !!! The situation there is like 2 drops of water similar to Karabakh !!! An unrecognized republic, the base of the Russian Federation, there is almost no contact with the Russian Federation, an external hidden sponsor with long-standing ambitions !!! All one to one as in Karabakh !!!

      And you also understand that the situation when the Karabakh conflict was frozen was the most favorable situation for the Russian Federation in the Transcaucasus ??? !!! Georgia is weakened by territorial issues, Armenia is engulfed in a territorial dispute, Azerbaijan is weakened by territorial issues ... After Azerbaijan's victory in Karabakh, the entire Caucasus may change rapidly and it is far from being in favor of Russia !!!
      1. Gunter prereen
        Gunter prereen 30 October 2020 15: 45
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        I repeat once again, conceptually nothing will change for Russia. It's just that the time has come for these events in NGOs and in Transnistria, etc. The problem of Transnistria, there was a chance to solve in 2014. But who knows would have solved it, would have received others. In turn, as people, they have been living in Transnistria for 30 years. Not a state, but a territory. The hopes for Russia have long since disappeared. In Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in the LPR and DPR, I think too. Pay attention to the events in the NGOs, the locals who left for Russia do not want to defend their homeland. In other unrecognized republics it will be the same. People do not want to live in a territory with a dubious status and future. Well, as for the Caucasus, everything is even more complicated here. Our cultural differences deepen every day. Let's stop pumping money and peaceful coexistence will end the next day. The central government will weaken - the same result. In my opinion, the time has come to leave them alone with each other.
  33. flicker
    flicker 31 October 2020 17: 31
    0
    Could the hypothetical defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh be followed by the collapse of the Soros Foundation: reflections on the events in the Caucasus

    Can not.
    Since the Soros Foundation was betting on the defeat of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    ---
    They always bet on defeat.
    Since it is much more difficult to ensure victory than to ensure defeat.
    Breaking does not build.
    ---
    The Soros Foundation always works to fail.
    ---
    If the Soros Foundation starts working with Azerbaijan, then the defeat of Azerbaijan is being prepared.
  34. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 2 November 2020 12: 36
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    Lord! - this Pashinyan is a fool. He walks a selfie against the background of KAMAZ trucks .. Armenians, where did you find this miracle !?)