"China buys access to the Arctic from the Russian Federation" - foreign press

The PRC is in dire need of the Arctic. There she is interested not only in access to the Northern Sea Route, but also in rich deposits of oil, gas, coal and other minerals.

Felix Hayk discusses this in an article published in the German newspaper Die Zeit.

Although China considers itself an “almost Arctic power,” its northernmost port, Dalian, is 5700 kilometers from the North Pole. Therefore, in order to implement its strategy of creating a northern branch of the Great Silk Road, China buys access to the Arctic from the Russian Federation. Beijing is trying to strengthen partnerships with our country in order to gain a foothold in the High North.

Club infographics Valdai.

It is assumed that the Arctic contains many undeveloped and even undiscovered deposits of energy and other minerals. For the sake of access to them, China is ready to invest in the infrastructure of Russia's northern regions.

With regard to the Northern Sea Route, Beijing understands that this is the shortest route for delivering goods from East Asia to European countries. And although there is a noticeable warming of the climate in the Arctic, it may be premature to talk about a year-round transit route. It seems that the main purpose of the Arctic sea routes at this stage will be the delivery of Russian LNG from the Arctic zone of Russia to Europe and Asia.

The investment of Chinese capital in the Russian Far North is currently in the interests of our country. After all, both the development of the Arctic and the expansion of markets for energy carriers are beneficial for us.

In fact, mutual economic benefit plays the main role in Russian-Chinese relations. The state interests of the two countries at this stage do not come into conflict, but one should not try to discern in this something more than banal pragmatism.

The relationship between the two countries was very accurately described by expert Elena Legarda from the Institute of Chinese Studies:

China and Russia are not allies, but partners.

Comments

[Asad]

Can it be limited only to the delivery of goods along the northern sea route? The Chinese are still partners!

[Borik]

Yes, let them carry their goods across the north to Europe. You can even allow their new icebreaker to follow this path a couple of times. But they do not need to provide anything more.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Borik

You can even allow their new icebreaker to follow this path a couple of times.

Cons you can see the Chinese put deforestation partners

[Proxima]

For some reason, when they show traffic on the Northern Sea Route, they always compare it with traffic through the Suez Canal. But not every ship will pass through this channel. This applies to supertankers and other large vessels. I don't even consider the payment for the passage. Alternatively, the traffic already passes through South Africa, which is even more lengthens it! So the Northern Sea Route is very, very promising traffic! Russia only needs to use it competently!

[Deck]

it is always compared to traffic through the Suez Canal. But not every ship will pass through this channel.

Icebreaker escorting of cargo significantly increases the cost of transit, and not only because of the payment for this service itself. The speed of movement of container ships is significantly reduced, so that the length of the route may be reduced, but the time spent on the journey increases, and each day of operation of such ships is very expensive. Besides, icebreakers can only be followed by vessels of strictly limited sizes. The width of the "Arctic", for example, is 34 meters. This means that this icebreaker can pave the way only for the far from the newest Panamax class container ships with a width of a little over 32 meters, capable of carrying a maximum of 5100 containers. And along the southern route, through the Suez Canal, ships with a width of about 60 meters and a capacity of 23 thousand containers go, which naturally reduces the cost of container freight

[Proxima]

Thank you, interesting information.

[kenig1]

And if this way?

[Proxima]

It is beautiful, but probably unrealistic, it is better for them to walk a little further from each other in the direction of movement, that is, one icebreaker breaks the right edge of the ice, and another one lagging behind by a whole hull (or more) from it breaks the left. And it turns out the required 60 meters.

[Proxima]

With the Chinese in this matter, you need to be extremely careful not to get the effect of "a goat in the garden" guarding "cabbage."

[evgen1221]

How our optimizers are able to organize the work, it's better to let the Chinese rule, there will be more sense. For us, from this one figs of a penny will fall (to the population)

[zadorin1974]

Here, you Eugene praise the Chinese in terms of organization. But I would advise you to visit the places where these works are carried out by the citizens of the PRC. I saw the lunar landscapes and dumps in the Far East, in the Krasnodar Territory, after renting the fields of this narrow-eyed locust for ten years, nothing has grown and in China itself, the southern provinces will not be soiled to a catastrophic scale.

[Pereira]

What does it mean to reduce carbon dioxide emissions? If the NSR interferes with the improvement of the climate in Russia, then these losses must be somehow compensated. The Chinese will have to burn an equal amount of coal.

[Livonetc]

Angloskaks set fire to options for other ways.
Now only Russia.

[Lara Croft]

Why? On both ends of the NSR - the Anglo-Saxon Navy ...

[Deniso]

Russia needs to develop the North. China, on the other hand, needs a fast and secure trade route to ship its goods around the world. This cooperation is beneficial for both China and Russia. It is harmful for the countries of Central Asia, which are used for transit today.

[41 REGION]

Quote: denis obuckov

It is harmful for the countries of Central Asia

Singapore and Egypt will be covered with a copper basin

[Pereira]

Cover will not cover, but it will nip pretty well.

[41 REGION]

There, half of the cargo traffic to Europe will be started by ours and the Chinese, and everyone else who will find the northern flow less expensive will also want to join.

[Pereira]

Not all. Not everyone. For SEA, the distances are the same. The NSR is valuable only for China and Korea. And Trump will ban the Japanese.

[41 REGION]

Chinese goods are transported not only by Chinese companies, but also hot in those regions

[PSih2097]

Quote: Pereira

And Trump will ban the Japanese.

exclusively through Panamanian ...

[VORON538]

It is harmful for the Naglo-Saxons. Firstly, it is past the Suez Canal and the Strait of Gibraltar (controlled by the Naglo-Saxons). Secondly, the Naglo-Saxons do not control the NSR and have nothing from it. That's why all these articles in the Western press, heartburn among the Naglo-Saxons is notable, such grandmothers past their hawalniks! Like turn away from China, it will devour you and we in the states and Britain are such white fluffy bunnies.

[Lesorub]

It is assumed that the Arctic contains many undeveloped and even undiscovered deposits of energy and other minerals. For the sake of access to them, China is ready to invest in the infrastructure of the northern regions of Russia

Why do we need Chinese in the far north ??! What is the essence of the article - apart from transit along the northern route, plus mining ?! This is from the proverb "let the goat into the garden"!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lesorub

Why do we need Chinese in the far north?

If the Chinese go somewhere, then they cannot be smoked from there.

[Lex_is]

Why do we need Chinese in the far north ??!

Their semi-submersible vessels delivered equipment to Sabetta for Yamal LNG, their LPG tankers from there transport gas to China, their hydrographic vessels carried out exploration there.

[Asad]

Well done and well done, they do not work for free! Where China invests there they owe nothing to them!

[Lex_is]

Far from free.
And they bite into the Arctic with enviable persistence.

[hagen]

Quote: Lesorub

This is from the proverb "let the goat into the garden"!

You can keep the goat on a leash in the garden. On "Autobahn" there are dozens of vacancies at road construction sites to the North of their country to build roads, and few people travel. And China undertakes to invest in the construction of infrastructure in our country and is ready to participate with its labor resources.

Quote: Lesorub

What is the essence of the article - apart from transit along the northern route, plus mining ?!

That we need roads in our North, laid through undeveloped PI deposits, in order to form programs for their development on the basis of these roads. In a nutshell ...

[Asad]

The Chinese will build roads not for us, but for themselves! They sleep and see when everyone escapes or dies out in the Far East! Housing in Novosibirsk is cheaper than in Khabarovsk, but it should be the other way around!

[hagen]

Quote: ASAD

They sleep and see when everyone escapes or dies out in the Far East!

They have been doing this for a long time, more than a hundred years, and everyone is sitting within their borders. They will sleep like that for another 300-400 years. Do we need to sleep all this time and do nothing? Some kind of unhealthy position ...

Quote: ASAD

The Chinese will build roads not for us, but for themselves!

Whoever will be the customer of this infrastructure will be in charge of it. Without roads and gas pipelines, our people will scatter even faster from those parts. Isn't it clear ?!

[Ros 56]

No Chinas and others in our North. We will carry out the vessel, but no hydrocarbon development, no, no.

[Uncle lee]

China and Russia are not allies, but partners.

We and other "partners" will have enough for the eyes! China launches tentacles everywhere, it remains to give the SMP, etc. to it!

[hagen]

Quote: Ros 56

No Chinas and others in our North. We will carry out the vessel, but no hydrocarbon development, no, no.

What do you propose to fill the budget with? How are you going to acquire production technology and additional competencies? Sitting on the couch at home? China will start transporting goods along the NSR, and looking at it, the Europeans will begin to catch up. The more users, the cheaper the wiring unit cost, the higher the arrivals of the accompanying infrastructure. Your idea of ​​hydrocarbons is generally enchanting. I won't give it to myself and to others, at the same time I won't get any money. We can only moan about pensions, but think about how to fill the PFR - is it our business ?!

[Ros 56]

So don't groan about pensions, I don’t pay, although it’s impossible to live on my pension. And to give the country at the mercy, as you suggest, is not the case. You yourself need to move your brain and hands. Some clowns in short pants, led by Gaidar and the red-haired creature, have already made a lot of money, neither a bottom nor a tire. So we have to do it ourselves, all by ourselves, there are good and smart heads, and there are men with hands, but bureaucrats of stupid ones must be driven away with a nasty broom. And then they survived, in Moscow, 28% of local hard workers are Uzbeks and Tajiks, but do they themselves have their hands growing out of their ass? But no, ordinary corruption, visitors can be paid half as much, and the other half can be stuffed into their pockets.

[hagen]

Quote: Ros 56

And to give the country at the mercy, as you suggest, is not the case.

What is the ransom? After the construction, they will take the road with them to China with a piece of our territory?

Quote: Ros 56

in Moscow, 28% of local workers are Uzbeks and Tajiks

How can you confirm the numbers?

Quote: Ros 56

So we need to do it ourselves, all by ourselves, blessing and smart heads there are also men with hands

Why don't they pull the same roads to the North? Yes, there are smart ones, and with hands, but backs to sofas have grown in central Russia. You can't get out of your native village with a crowbar. So we take Tajiks and Uzbeks to work in Siberia. And you have only one slogan - "it is necessary ...", "we can ...". You would read any book about macroeconomics, it would become clear who travels where and why, and how states earn money on labor migration.

[Ros 56]

Go out into the street, if you live in Moscow and see, but in general, yesterday at RBC they gave these numbers on TV. Well, especially for the uninformed and have never been anywhere further than their chair near the computer and keyboard.
This is about why they don’t go, but because it’s almost everywhere a complete scam, I myself was the director of my company for 20 years, I had enough work in the field, but some of my hard workers, friends, friends and relatives tried to ride for a very long ruble, okay, barely enough to return back, train what is called, gained experience.
And leave your stupid theoretical inventions for stupid young people, they may believe that you are our home-grown theorist.

[hagen]

Quote: Ros 56

This is about why they do not go, but because it is almost everywhere a complete scam, I myself was the director of my company for 20 years,

That is, "I threw myself and I know how to do it." But obviously he himself got on the more agile ...

Quote: Ros 56

Well, especially for the uninformed and have never been anywhere further than their chair near the computer and keyboard.

I have been to many places, and today it has long been as if not in a metropolis, especially not in Moscow, but in Siberia. And here, just, there is a significant proportion of such "home-grown theorists" who once came from the warm central zone of Russia to barracks and trailers in the cold and off-road, but today they are quite settled down and are satisfied with what they have done. You understand, a loser director. It is you, like you, they roll here for a long ruble, "throw" the people on the majority of "small and medium-sized businesses", and then quickly take their legs so as not to tear them off .... "And my stupid theoretical inventions" I put into practice for more than a quarter of a century and I know what I am saying. It has been verified by myself - if you want to achieve something, then you have to work and not be afraid to learn new things. You will not become a billionaire, but you will get prosperity in the house, with an honest prosperity. And you can continue to explain your personal failures by the "system". It's easier than looking in the mirror ...

[Vladimir_6]

China is ready to invest in the infrastructure of Russia's northern regions, just like in the Beijing-Moscow high-speed rail, pursuing the main goal of exporting raw materials from Russia.

[Maxwrx]

Look at the NSR development program. Most likely there will be 80 million tons, but this is the export of LNG and coal. Transit practically does not grow from year to year. Why
1.Ice-class ships are needed (more expensive)
2. insurance and crew payment are much more expensive
3. lack of infrastructure, incl. rescue
4. restrictions on the dimensions of the conducted vessels (large ones that carry most of the cargo will not pass there)
5. It is necessary to wait for the passage of ships. Those. queue gathers and the icebreaker leads them. And these services are more expensive than through Suez. The travel speed is very low.

In general, we will not make money on this for decades, and we will not sit on rent like Egypt either. The NSR is developing from the point of view of the export of resources, which is good anyway, because slowly but transiters will catch up. And if we want to make money on transit, then we need to develop the transib, to simplify customs procedures. It is really economically more profitable from transit. Although this is done, but very slowly

[Doccor18]

China is solving its own problems. Implements its global project. And Russia must embody its own - the development of education and science, the recreation of the national industry. Whether China will carry its goods through the NSR or not, by and large, is not so important for Russia. China will not solve Russian problems. And if the Chinese start building infrastructure facilities on the NSR, they will no longer be Russian ports, but Chinese ones. I think that no one has any illusions on this score.

[cniza]

Quote: Doccor18

And if the Chinese start building infrastructure facilities on the NSR, they will no longer be Russian ports, but Chinese ones. I think that no one has any illusions on this score.

And why should they do this and then no one will allow them ...

[Doccor18]

Why would they ...

To launch the tentacles into the wildest and richest land, who will refuse such ...

then no one will let them ...

I really hope that I'm smart enough not to allow it.

[cniza]

No one will allow them to our natural resources, if you buy it, please, otherwise the transit is not Europe and without stops ...

[Doccor18]

No one will allow them to access our natural resources ..

Already ... How many deposits are the Chinese developing in the Far East?

[cniza]

There is a production sharing law and there are many questions on it. As far as I know, they are developing gold mines.

[Doccor18]

It's just surprising and incomprehensible to me why the Chinese are mining gold on our land? What about yourself? Have forgotten how or ..?

[cniza]

I'm not ready to argue, but what was given to China for development is not sweet at all and the cost of gold turns out to be very high ...

[Doccor18]

However, this is beneficial. Otherwise, the Chinese would not have gotten involved. They know how to count money.

[cniza]

Yes, but we manage to develop what is more profitable, she has enough hands ... but it looks like brains too ...

[cniza]

China and Russia are not allies, but partners.

And we know very well what partners are, so we need to calculate everything and fix it on paper ...

[AB]

China and Russia are not allies, but partners.

"I'm not a freeloader, I'm a partner!" - Lenya Golubkov (JSC MMM)

[askort154]

40% faster and will potentially reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 52% (on the graph).

It turns out that these 52% will now pollute the entire eastern and northern perimeter of Russia. Thanks ! In Yakutia, and so the "permafrost" began to "melt" abruptly.
And all for the money. Everywhere is money, money, money. Money is everywhere. Only they do not settle in the pockets evenly.

[APASUS]

The Americans did everything with their own hands so that the Russians and Chinese would cross the border of partnership and gradually become allies

[Dmitry Makarov]

If the Northern Sea Route will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 52%, then the companies using the Suez Canal should be fined for environmental pollution.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

There is one small nuance. Such a tiny nuance. Comrade ShevardDnadze () as the commentators on the Vremya program had to emphasize), when he was Minister of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, signed a cunning Treaty on the delimitation of borders at the site of the entrance to the Northern Sea Route into our waters. As it turned out - for money to study in America, my daughter. And Cho is a caring dad. And America quickly, unilaterally, ratified this Treaty with the borders drawn as it should. Now you have to ask America's permission to go there. Will we ask about frigates and cruisers or will we file a lawsuit in The Hague?

[Mayan]

an increase in the export of vehicles to China, then, according to open sources, tab., from 2013, more than 68%; we received more than 38% of Chinese machinery and equipment.

[Mayan]

.. ,, .. will we ask or will we file a lawsuit in the hague? (there is no one to file claims against, no one to ask) ..

[Lynx2000]

Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov

Now you have to ask America's permission to go there. Will we ask about frigates and cruisers or will we file a lawsuit in The Hague?

The Berenga Strait is quite narrow - only 51 nautical miles. In its central part are the Diomede Islands: about. Ratmanov (Big Diomede), located west of the sea border between the two countries and belonging to Russia: about. Krusenstern (Little Diomede), located east of the sea border and owned by the United States.
The distance between the two islands is about two nautical miles.
The distance between Cape Dezhnev and about. Ratmanov, as well as between Cape Prince of Wales and Fr. Kruzenshtern is 22,5 miles long, these two passages are usually navigable. Due to the fact that the width of the eastern and western passages is less than 24 nautical miles, the entire water area of ​​the strait, given the presence of two islands, is blocked by the internal sea waters and territorial seas of Russia and the United States.

Despite the fact that the internal sea waters and the territorial sea are subject to full state sovereignty, with respect to the water area of ​​the straits blocked by territorial waters, but connecting one part of the high seas or exclusive economic zone (EEZ) with another part of the high seas or EEZ, the convention law applies. transit passage.
The legal status of the Bering Strait is not defined within the framework of a special international convention; the Russian Federation and the United States recognize it as a strait used for international shipping. The applicable right of transit passage is described in Art. 38 (2) of the 1982 Convention on the Law of the Sea as "the exercise ... of freedom of navigation and flight solely for the purpose of continuous and rapid transit through the strait."

Unlike the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea of ​​a coastal state, the right of transit passage is much more "free" in the practice of applying the rule. This means that in accordance with Art. 38 (1) this right extends not only to civilian ships, but also to warships, including submarines ...

[amr]

Quote: Proxima

So the Northern Sea Route is very, very promising traffic! Russia only needs to use it competently!

All of Russia is promising traffic and oil and gas and timber ... ... current is all not popular and has nothing to do with the citizens of Russia, it will be exactly the same with the NSR, I'm sure by 99,9%

[Alexander Yaroshenko]

In addition to the Far East, the Chinas also occupy the Arctic Circle