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"They will not do without us" - Rogozin spoke about the US Lunar Program

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The moon race will not continue indefinitely. As a result, its participants will come to an understanding that it is necessary to cooperate.


This opinion was expressed by the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin on the air of the First Channel.

This race continues to a certain limit, until we begin to understand that it is meaningless. I think that the new conquest of the moon cannot be nationalized by one country, they cannot do without us.

- said Rogozin about the US Lunar Program.

In the 60s and 70s of the last century, the lunar race ended with the joint Soviet-American Soyuz-Apollo program. The United States is now planning a return to lunar exploration in 2024. The new lunar program was named "Artemis".

At the end of May, Dmitry Rogozin said that Roscosmos intends to make a manned flight to the Moon and land astronauts by 2030.

According to the materials of the state corporation "Roskosmos" posted on the website of state purchases, Russia intends to spend more than 20 billion rubles to increase the carrying capacity of the Angara launch vehicles. For this, a heavy-class oxygen-hydrogen upper stage (KVTK) DM-03 will be created, which will increase the missile payload by 1-3 tons.
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  1. krot
    krot 26 October 2020 11: 10
    10
    Rogozin, ay !!! The striped ones will throw us again. What kind of partnership can there be?
    1. Infinity
      Infinity 26 October 2020 11: 11
      51
      I have a question for Mr. Rogozin.
      And who said there will be only one country, the United States?
      The Artemis program already includes: ESA (which is backed by European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, etc. with their scientific and production potential), Japan, Canada, Australia. Well, the United States is at the head.
      But will there be a place for us there? And if there is, they won't send us? We still cannot agree on the LOP-G, although the same CEN, Japan and Canada are already participating there, even though it was largely our initiative with the Americans.
      Are we going ourselves? I have no doubt (not a drop!) In our technology, people and businesses. But I doubt the resources, the budget of Roscosmos, which has already been cut. And there are other projects, they also need money.
      There are also the Chinese, but they will certainly pull the blanket over themselves, since they simply have a better economy. Much better. And technologically they will catch up. And will they need us later?
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 26 October 2020 11: 13
        19
        "They will not do without us" - Rogozin spoke about the US Lunar Program
        yeah ...! "... how do you like this, Elon Musk ...?" wassat
        1. Soko
          Soko 26 October 2020 11: 40
          28
          Recently, Mr. Rogozin's rhetoric has changed. Bravado has disappeared somewhere.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 October 2020 12: 00
            0
            Looks like he finally saw that Roskosmos is seriously merging in the development of the space sector with the United States and China - and that the eyebrows are coming to naught.
          2. Antidote
            Antidote 26 October 2020 12: 08
            12
            Where did she go if right here in the article, he puffs out his cheeks again?
            1. Soko
              Soko 26 October 2020 12: 11
              18
              Quote: Antidote
              right here in the article, he puffs out his cheeks again

              He is already inflating cautiously, looking at the others, and maybe having agreed on the sidelines ...
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 26 October 2020 12: 08
          16
          I don't know if they can do without us. But without Rogozin - for sure.
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 26 October 2020 12: 43
            -6
            When, in + -10 years, you will enthusiastically praise the same Nuclon, do not forget that it will be laid down even under Rogozin.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 26 October 2020 12: 53
              +4
              I'm not sure if I'll live to see Nuclon laid down by Rogozin.
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 26 October 2020 18: 57
                +6
                The Russian base on the Moon will appear before the American astronauts land on this celestial body. "We plan to create a permanent station on the Moon by 2015, and from 2020 industrial production of a rare isotope, helium-3, may begin on the Earth's satellite," said Nikolai Sevastyanov, head of RSC Energia in January 2006.

                Sevastyanov also noted that in 2015 the Clipper reusable spacecraft will be "put into operation", with the help of which flights to the moon will be carried out.
              2. Letun
                Letun 26 October 2020 19: 22
                +1
                Quote: Pereira
                I'm not sure if I'll live to see Nuclon laid down by Rogozin.

                If only to the pawnshop ...
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 26 October 2020 13: 51
              0
              The nucleon was laid down back in the USSR, then work began on a nuclear tug.
              It's just that since then all sorts of Rogozins have not been able to complete the project.
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 26 October 2020 17: 22
                +3
                Was the T-90 laid down by Koshkin by accident?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 26 October 2020 17: 35
                  0
                  No, it was the megawatt nuclear tug that was started in the USSR.
                  You just probably do not know what a leisurely space otrosol we have.
                  For example, in 2004, the ISS module, Zarya's backup, was completely ready for flight. They decided to make a scientific module out of it by means of a simple modification.
                  The terms were set extremely pleasant, in 2007 to be included in the ISS.
                  It's already 2020, now the launch of the scientific module is in 2021.
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 26 October 2020 17: 39
                    +1
                    And I know that work on this particular project with the nuclear power plant was started by Roscosmos and Rosatom in 2010. Do not try to refer to ISS modules and other projects in order to draw parallels, they are inappropriate here.
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 26 October 2020 17: 55
                      0
                      There, as well as with attempts to tell that the Angara-3 project did not exist
                      Constantly the dates are flowing with the beginning and end
                      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2014/07/08/rosatom/
                      The YEDS project was approved in 2009 by the Commission for Modernization and Technological Development of the Russian Economy under the President of Russia

                      According to Yuri Dragunov, Director and General Designer of NIKIET JSC, according to the plan, the nuclear power plant should be ready in 2018.

                      Now the start of the project is already 2020
                      And you will finish in 2030 readiness.
                      By the end of this year, the state corporation Roscosmos, as reported by TASS, intends to sign a contract for the creation of a space tug with a nuclear reactor, which will be used during long-term research missions.

                      its first mission is scheduled for 2030

                      https://3dnews.ru/1020742
                      1. Voyager
                        Voyager 26 October 2020 18: 08
                        0
                        And where are the contradictions here? You are confusing different projects with the nuclear power plant itself (which, according to Bloshenko's plans, is ready) and already the carrier of this nuclear power plant, the contract for which they are going to sign.
                      2. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 26 October 2020 18: 23
                        -1
                        Don't confuse
                        https://tass.ru/kosmos/3398818
                        Work on the creation of a transport energy module based on such an installation began in 2010, in 2012 a technical design was prepared. It was expected that in 2015 the installation itself will be created, and by the end of 2018 the transport and energy module will be prepared for flight tests.
                      3. Voyager
                        Voyager 26 October 2020 19: 19
                        0
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        It was expected that in 2015 the installation itself will be created, and by the end of 2018

                        Who expected and whose specific statements were these?
                      4. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 26 October 2020 20: 00
                        0
                        Expected on the basis of a state contract, information from which was announced in TASS
                      5. Voyager
                        Voyager 26 October 2020 21: 17
                        -1
                        TASS did not provide a source.
                      6. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 26 October 2020 22: 26
                        -1
                        Introduced
                        follows from the message on the public procurement website
                      7. Voyager
                        Voyager 27 October 2020 05: 13
                        -1
                        Show the message so that the conversation is substantive. Or at least the statements of the officials involved in this. You give all the links to news resources, as if it were the ultimate truth.
                      8. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 27 October 2020 09: 18
                        -1
                        TASS is the state media, they are the official mouthpiece of the state.
  • military_cat
    military_cat 26 October 2020 14: 10
    +5
    Quote: Voyager
    When, in + -10 years, you will enthusiastically praise the same Nuclon, do not forget that it will be laid down even under Rogozin.

    When, in + -10 years, you will wonder where everything is, because there were so many projects, did the enemies and the fifth column really reach again and ruined everything to complete inefficiency - do not forget that you were warned 10 years ago that it would be so.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 26 October 2020 17: 24
      +1
      Well, yes, some Vasya from the Internet warned laughing It is not at all necessary to ascribe to me other people's slogans.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 26 October 2020 18: 23
        -2
        The adequacy of reality models is tested not by who or not Vasya was their author, but by the accuracy of the predictions they allow to build.
  • Proxima
    Proxima 26 October 2020 11: 22
    25
    Well, it’s not funny to listen to another statement from the head of Roscosmos !! Beauty, in 2030 we will fly to the moon! drinks And then look for this Rogozin ten years later with his loud statements. As they say during this time, "Either the padishah dies, or the donkey dies." Our glorious Roskosmos is on that! good
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 26 October 2020 12: 37
      +5
      Quote: Proxima
      And then look for this Rogozin ten years later with his loud statements.
      In 10 years, the "honored pensioner" of Russia Dmitry Rogozin will spend a quiet old age somewhere on the Cote d'Azur or in a villa in Switzerland, and all questions will be answered as if I'm tired of politics and want to relax / do a hobby / raise grandchildren, etc. and so on, as is now the case with many other former Russian officials and heads of state corporations.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 26 October 2020 12: 54
        +1
        No. Not so he will be kicked out. He will say - look how great it was with me and what the industry has brought to replace me.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 26 October 2020 12: 57
          +2
          One does not interfere with the other, as they say.
    2. And
      And 26 October 2020 12: 45
      +2
      I remember that one figure has already promised us a base on the moon by 2015, and by 2020 to fill everyone with lunar helium-3. Something has not grown together, apparently, as usual, always something interferes with our effective.
      In general, the tales are still the same - the storytellers only change. hi
  • Proton
    Proton 26 October 2020 11: 37
    12
    Totally agree!
    Before attempting something big (the lunar program, aircraft carriers, the fleet, etc.), it is necessary to bring the economy to life. We have been unable to get off the oil (gas) needle for many years.
    We need to prepare the base, and then dream of the stars.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 26 October 2020 12: 18
      +2
      Quote: Proton

      We need to prepare the base, and then dream of the stars.
      Eugene, we always go to the stars through hardships. What is there to do? Well, fate is if ...
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 26 October 2020 11: 39
    13
    I have no doubt (not a drop!) In our technologies, people and businesses.

    What is your confidence based on? The vaunted Federation was supposed to fly yesterday.
  • Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 26 October 2020 12: 26
    +2
    The administration of US President Donald Trump is developing a new draft agreement with the EU, Canada, Japan and the UAE on the extraction of resources on the moon, reports Reuters https://reuters.com/article/us-space-exploration-moon-mining-exclusi/exclusive-trump -administration-drafting-artemis-accords-pact-for-moon-mining-sources-idUSKBN22H2SB Russia was not included in the list of potential partners due to the “threatening” actions of Russian satellites.
    These actions are:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajaWk7nVug&list=PL3u-rqFyLo2D_3jPjInIJkvhqyfMVAAMk&index=4 Америка в бешенстве: как русский Космос-2542 гоняет по орбитам сверхсекретную драгоценность США
    According to plans, the agreement will be called Artemis Accords ("Artemis Agreements"). It is supposed to create "security zones" around future bases on the satellite, which will be designed to prevent damage or interference from competing countries and companies working together with member states on the moon. The draft treaty is not based on the territorial claims of the United States, says one of the interlocutors of the news agency - "security zones" should only help in coordination between the countries exploring the moon and companies, while technically the territories on them will not be sovereign.
    Until the US allies got acquainted with the draft treaty; in the coming weeks, the Trump administration plans to show it to a number of states, including the EU countries, Japan, Canada and the UAE. Russia is not currently viewed as a potential partner - including because of the positions of the Pentagon. The department believes that the Russian Federation is conducting "threatening" maneuvers of satellites, which is why it opposes the country's inclusion in the agreement.
    https://habr.com/ru/news/t/500726/
    The agency unveiled the Artemis space program; https://habr.com/ru/news/t/490370/ according to it, there will be 10 launches in total, the fourth of which will be the first manned in October 2024.
    Russia is planning to launch the heavy landing station Luna-27 in August 2025. https://ria.ru/20200414/1569999500.html Thus, by launching Luna-27, Russia is planning to “stake out” a place on the satellite.
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 13: 18
      -1
      Quote: Andriuha077
      Russia is planning to launch the heavy landing station Luna-27 in August 2025. https://ria.ru/20200414/1569999500.html Thus, by launching Luna-27, Russia is planning to “stake out” a place on the satellite.


      Nobody is going to "post a place". laughing Space and celestial bodies belong to all of humanity. If the USA does not understand this, they will be reminded.
      1. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 26 October 2020 13: 33
        +2
        Humanity will not remain forever on earth, but in the pursuit of light and space, it will at first timidly penetrate beyond the atmosphere, and then conquer all the space around the sun.
        K.E. Tsiolkovsky
      2. spirit
        spirit 26 October 2020 16: 45
        +2
        Two America, too, did not belong to anyone, but as they say, who managed to do that and sneakers
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 October 2020 22: 23
          -1
          Spaniards with Dutch? laughing
  • slipped
    slipped 26 October 2020 13: 15
    0
    I am not Rogozin, but I will answer laughing :

    Quote: Infinity
    I have a question for Mr. Rogozin.
    And who said there will be only one country, the United States?


    The transport system for reaching the lunar orbit will be owned by the United States, and jointly by Russia and China, and each of the latter will have its own autonomous but compatible system. This will allow, in the event of an accident, to carry out joint rescue operations.

    Quote: Infinity
    The Artemis program already includes: ESA (which is backed by European countries, including Germany, France, Italy, etc. with their scientific and production potential), Japan, Canada, Australia. Well, the United States is at the head.


    All subcontractors. Yes.

    Quote: Infinity
    But will there be a place for us there? And if there is, they won't send us? We still cannot agree on the LOP-G, although the same CEN, Japan and Canada are already participating there, even though it was largely our initiative with the Americans.


    Why do we need to go there as subcontractors? We just want them to secure themselves by installing an additional docking station compatible with Russian or Chinese.

    Quote: Infinity
    Are we going ourselves? I have no doubt (not a drop!) In our technology, people and businesses. But I doubt the resources, the budget of Roscosmos, which has already been cut. And there are other projects, they also need money.


    The budget was cut in the FKP until 2025, while this led to a shift in a number of programs by a couple of years. And the launch of the Yenisei with the first elements of a manned lunar program is in 2028. This is the next FKP.

    Quote: Infinity
    There are also the Chinese, but they will certainly pull the blanket over themselves, since they simply have a better economy. Much better. And technologically they will catch up. And will they need us later?


    Who - them? We have our own Lunar program. If in the process of its implementation there is a possibility of cooperation with China in certain projects, this cooperation is only welcomed. For example, now we are supplying them with RTGs for their moon rovers.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 26 October 2020 11: 13
    26
    I remember the trampoline master saying that the Americans will not be able to carry people into orbit without the Russian Federation
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 13: 21
      -3
      Quote: Clever man
      I remember the trampoline master saying that the Americans will not be able to carry people into orbit without the Russian Federation


      And so it was - they drove for 9 years. And even recently they were lucky. The trampoline works.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 October 2020 11: 29
    0
    Quote: krot
    The striped ones will throw us again. What kind of partnership can there be?

    Not Us, but him. Not with us, but with him. Elon Musk himself knows him (who is he?)!
  • Civil
    Civil 26 October 2020 11: 38
    +6
    And there is also the Chinese lunar program, they are successfully completing stage 3. In general, there is no money for the Russian lunar program. There is only for the completion of the SP-2 and for an increase in the salaries of the responsible persons affected by the sanctions. Cold War 2 is going on, and the soldier must endure the hardships and deprivation of military service. We are all soldiers of the new Cold War, though without our consent, but this is our Sacred Duty. And you are worried about space.
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 13: 23
      0
      Quote: Civil
      In general, there is no money for the Russian lunar program.


      Who told you that? Here are the thermal vacuum tests of the Russian automatic landing station just passed:

  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 October 2020 11: 43
    +8
    Quote: krot
    The striped ones will throw us again.

    and when they threw Roskosmos?
    more questions to this fat clown, and not to the "striped" ones. At least this obese starfighter has toned down his arrogant tone a little, good. The people are no longer being fooled into bullshit like "NASA without Roscosmos - nothing to call it."
  • Svarog
    Svarog 26 October 2020 11: 10
    18
    This race continues to a certain limit, until we begin to understand that it is meaningless. I think that the new conquest of the moon cannot be nationalized by one country, they cannot do without us.

    History shows that they can do without .. The trampoline was not used however .. Ragozin in his balabol repertoire ..
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 11: 16
      +9
      Quote: Svarog
      Ragozin in his balabol repertoire ..

      hi And what else can he do, just balabol. It's easier than actually developing a space program.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 26 October 2020 11: 22
        12
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        It's easier than actually developing a space program.

        Rogozin and development are not compatible .. or rather, not only Rogozin, but those who now rule the economy, finance and the country's development in general have proved their complete inadequacy .. and continue to prove ..
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 26 October 2020 11: 28
          10
          "The head of Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin dismissed the general director of PKU "Directorate of the Vostochny cosmodrome" Evgeniya Rogozu"
          Every 10th ruble was stolen at Vostochny.
          The launch of the "trampoline" is delayed ...
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 11: 39
            11
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            "The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin dismissed the general director of the PKU" Directorate of the Vostochny cosmodrome "Evgeny Rogozu"
            Every 10th ruble was stolen at Vostochny.
            The launch of the "trampoline" is delayed ...

            All this would be funny when it were not so sad.
            For that, in the next branch about gearboxes for frigates, they are finally starting to do something that was not considered an achievement in the USSR, even as an achievement.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 26 October 2020 12: 21
              +6
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              about gearboxes for frigates

              One should at least rejoice at something against the background of the current "effective management" bacchanalia ...
              PS And what they did in the USSR, today's managers never even dreamed of!
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 26 October 2020 23: 21
                0
                Vladimirhi, all these unsystematic twitches more and more resemble convulsions.
          2. faiver
            faiver 26 October 2020 14: 09
            +2
            Every 10 ruble stolen on Vostochny
            - something like that is not enough, although as far as I understand this is what they proved
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 26 October 2020 23: 39
              +3
              This is what was snatched away without "blessing from above" ... beyond the "plan."
          3. slipped
            slipped 26 October 2020 22: 27
            -1
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            The launch of the "trampoline" is delayed ...


            The trampoline works, does not linger laughing
    2. askort154
      askort154 26 October 2020 11: 27
      10
      Svarog Ragozin in his balabol repertoire ..

      A journalist, he is also a journalist at Roscosmos. His working tool tongue - language. hi
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 26 October 2020 23: 41
        +1
        One gets the impression that all current officials have the same "toolbox".
  • Woodman
    Woodman 26 October 2020 11: 10
    +2
    At the end of May Dmitry Rogozin said that Roscosmos intends to
    Eh ... You don't need to say, but do ...
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 11: 22
      +5
      Quote: Lesovik
      Eh ... You don't need to say, but do ...

      Lavrenty Pavlovich, Korolev, Chelomey, etc. were able to do it. people of a different "temper". And the brains of Putin's "effective managers" think in the other direction, where to pinch off something for your beloved.
      1. Kart
        Kart 26 October 2020 12: 11
        -6
        Tolya is a business of Navalna managers. A model of honesty and efficiency.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Carte
          Tolya is a business of Navalna managers. A model of honesty and efficiency.

          Do you mean by Navalna managers Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, Korolev, Chelomey?
          If so, then you need to eat. Or what are you talking about?
      2. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 26 October 2020 12: 58
        -3
        Korolev - rocket designer, Chelomey - RD designer. Remind me what Lavrenty Pavlovich designed?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 13: 03
          +6
          Quote: Past Crocodile
          Remind me what Lavrenty Pavlovich designed?

          And you google what Lavrenty Pavlovich was in charge of. In a way, he was instead of Rogozin.
          1. Past the crocodile
            Past the crocodile 26 October 2020 13: 10
            -2
            That is, he was a balabol. Oh yes, even his subordinates broke Korolev's jaw during interrogation, which after a while became the cause of his (Korolev's) death. Google it too.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 13: 43
              +2
              Quote: Past Crocodile
              broke the jaw of Korolev

              Did you personally break it? Yakovlev's myths interest me little. See historical sources such as convention materials, executive letters, reports, etc. It's time to grow up already.
              1. Past the crocodile
                Past the crocodile 26 October 2020 16: 25
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Did you break it personally?

                There is such a concept - "the responsibility of the leader for the actions of subordinates."
                And myths, red or orange without a difference, do not interest, no, but thanks anyway for the offer.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 13: 59
              +3
              Or at least take a look
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 28 October 2020 09: 55
                0
                As if the Goblin with Yulin is better than Yakovlev.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 28 October 2020 10: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  As if the Goblin with Yulin is better than Yakovlev.

                  Justify.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 October 2020 11: 10
    10
    How is it worth commenting on this?
    As you do not want, at all.
  • Hog
    Hog 26 October 2020 11: 11
    10
    A good tale, but hard to believe.
    "Trampoline - it works!"
    S.Sh.P on the moon have already been and coped without Rogozin, and this time they will do without him.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 26 October 2020 12: 07
      -9
      Quote: Hog
      A good tale, but hard to believe.
      "Trampoline - it works!"
      S.Sh.P on the moon have already been and coped without Rogozin, and this time they will do without him.

      If they have already been on the moon, then why now, without cooperation with other countries, they cannot repeat the same trick with their ears? In theory, they were monopolists in the field of landing people on the surface of the Moon and their return to Earth, and the technologies available at that time would have been brought to perfection during this time, but no, without the participation of scientists tadpoles from other countries, mattresses demonstrate only the ability to howl on The moon. Probably they deliberately burned all the documentation and destroyed all the technologies back in 1969-70, so that after half a century they would not be stolen by Russian hackers led by Rogozin.
      As for me, it was the biggest swindle of the 20th century successfully carried out.
      1. Wolverine
        Wolverine 26 October 2020 12: 48
        +6
        Probably for the same reason that modern Russia cannot repeat the achievements of the USSR, in particular the Energia-Buran complex
      2. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2020 12: 54
        +3
        If they have already been on the moon, then why now, without cooperation with other countries, they cannot repeat the same trick with their ears?

        What is the point of doing everything yourself, if you can share the costs and efforts with other participants, while remaining leading?
        ... they were monopolists in the field of landing people on the lunar surface and their return to Earth, and the technologies available at that time would have been perfected during this time ...

        From the 70s to the present, technology has gone far! Now we are talking about a qualitatively new level, associated with the arrangement of permanent bases on the moon and the extraction of mines.
        As for me, it was the biggest swindle of the 20th century successfully carried out.

        This is for lovers of conspiracy theories ... lol
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 26 October 2020 15: 22
          -2
          Quote: pytar

          This is for lovers of conspiracy theories ...

          It is clear that the sect of those who piously believe in the honesty of mattresses will reject any doubts, but nevertheless none of them, among other dubious facts, explains even the simplest one - why, in the absence of atmosphere, the American flag installed there flies on the moon. There are no flows in a vacuum. Anyway, here a bunch of doubtful facts are painted, read and analyze, and to believe or not to believe is everyone's independent choice. https://hystory.mediasole.ru/amerikancy_na_lune__oluham_ne_chitat
        2. Warrior-80
          Warrior-80 27 October 2020 09: 10
          0
          Well, mining on the moon is the same fairy tale, can you imagine how many tons of ore need to be processed so that at least some significant amount of helium 3 can be mined, even though there is more of it there than on earth, but it's still milligrams per ton of rock or you shield they will scoop it up there with a shovel, such mining will be possible in 200 years
  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 October 2020 11: 12
    12
    "They will not do without us" - Rogozin spoke about the US Lunar Program

    While Rogozin promises, there are already 2 private American companies in the US engaged in launches. A little more and we will depend on them! The agreement on mining on the Moon passed without our participation, we were not invited ................... it says a lot
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 26 October 2020 11: 16
    -1
    Russia intends to spend more 20 billion rubles to increase the carrying capacity of the Angara launch vehicles. For this, a heavy-class oxygen-hydrogen upper stage (KVTK) DM-03 will be created, which will allow increase the payload of missiles by 1-3 tons.


    20 billion rubles for 2 tons ??
    1. Past the crocodile
      Past the crocodile 26 October 2020 13: 17
      +1
      In theory, 2 tons will be withdrawn more than once. In addition, 2 billion rubles at current prices is a set of engines for an airliner.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 26 October 2020 13: 44
        0
        For the medium version of the Falcon 9, the weight of the cargo output to LEO was indicated as 9,5 tons and the price of $ 27 million per flight.

        If I'm not confusing anything, -2 tons cost about $ 7 million ..

        And here we are talking about an ADDITIONAL 20 billion rubles (250 million dollars) for the sake of ADDITIONAL 2 tons of cargo ..
        And this is only about development !! I mean, then construction will also take longer than money .. as well as additional fuel .. and so on, so on ..
    2. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 22: 33
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      For this, a heavy-class oxygen-hydrogen upper stage (KVTK) DM-03 will be created, which will allow increase the payload of missiles by 1-3 tons.
      20 billion rubles for 2 tons ??


      Illiterate article. laughing KBTK and DM-03 are different booster units. DM-03 is an oxygen-kerosene upper stage. Recently I flew a couple of times and successfully brought the payload, including to the Lagrange point L2, which is beyond the Moon.

      And KBTK is an oxygen-hydrogen heavy class, moreover, it will also be in the version of increased refueling, which will allow transporting loads of much larger mass, including to the Moon.
  • Kunich
    Kunich 26 October 2020 11: 17
    12
    It's time for Rogozin to seal his mouth so that he can carry less shit on the air.
    Trampolines are no longer very funny. The dog barks - the caravan moves on. That's just Rogozin as this little dog now.
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  • donavi49
    donavi49 26 October 2020 11: 27
    10
    By the way - the Chinese confirmed Chang'e 5. A month later, they fly behind the lunar soil.
    November 24.
    - Space launch vehicle:> 870,000 kilograms
    - Spacecraft: ~ 8,200 kilograms
    - Samples to be returned to Earth: ~ 2 kilograms

    In this case, the maximum return by weight is 4 kg, it depends on the type of soil. Well, I hope they learned a lesson from the recent incident with Osiriks - where, after a good sampling of soil from the asteroid, it turned out that the trap did not close due to overcrowding.


    By the way, Juhu2 woke up, stretched and drove on his 23rd day on the moon wink .
    The Sun rose over the CE-4 landing site in Von Kármán crater ~ 14: 00 UTC October 9. Yutu-2 will has resumed activities Saturday, with CE-4 lander to 'wake up' Sunday UTC. This will mark the mission's 23rd lunar day. Official update on activities to follow. Images: CLEP




    distance covered in 22 days
    1. Asad
      Asad 26 October 2020 11: 37
      -1
      Is he not going to go to the American landing site?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 26 October 2020 11: 48
        12
        He is on the far side of the moon, a thousand kilometers to the Americans.
        1. Asad
          Asad 26 October 2020 11: 49
          0
          Got it thanks for the info!
          1. slipped
            slipped 26 October 2020 22: 37
            0
            He drove that in all the time only less than half a kilometer.
  • deniso
    deniso 26 October 2020 11: 29
    +2
    Didn't it work out with the trampoline? Sadness (Now I started talking about the race, they say there is no point. The trampoline let you down, but it was just that we had to make progress, not our eyes, but success, but something did not work out for you with this. You yourself are, but no success you, nor RosKosmos, for some reason.
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 22: 39
      0
      Quote: denis obuckov
      You yourself are, but for some reason neither you nor RosKosmos have any success.


      Well, at night, we successfully launched the latest navigation spacecraft:



      All is well, the device has entered the assigned orbit, and stable telemetric communication is maintained with it.
  • venik
    venik 26 October 2020 11: 31
    +4
    "...they won't do without us..... "
    =======
    It would be better if we did WITHOUT Rogozin! Much more sense would be!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 October 2020 12: 07
      -1
      How could you say that ?!
      There WASN'T, THERE ISN'T AND ... NOT NECESSARY ...
      1. venik
        venik 26 October 2020 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        There WASN'T, THERE ISN'T AND ... NOT NECESSARY ...

        =======
        good Keyword: "NOT NECESSARY!" .... drinks
        With his journalism education and a doctorate philosophical sciences "- like NOBODY ELSE he can successfully"to chat" any business! They say about such people: "for him, the order: to remove the workplace means shut your mouth!" drinks
  • svp67
    svp67 26 October 2020 11: 36
    +5
    "They will not do without us" - Rogozin spoke about the US Lunar Program
    Are we going to make "trampolines" for them, or what?
  • demo
    demo 26 October 2020 11: 52
    10
    This race continues to a certain limit, until we begin to understand that it is meaningless. I think that the new conquest of the moon cannot be nationalized by one country, they cannot do without us.

    - said Rogozin about the US Lunar Program.

    Lord! Why is our country so “lucky” with limited, in every sense, leaders?
    They should not chase and drive. It should develop systematically.
    You don't need to prove anything to anyone. The time of competition between the two systems has sunk into oblivion.
    We need to stop spending money uncontrollably on crazy projects.
    Theft must be stopped. Those who stole billions must be severely punished. And also those who created such a "feeding trough".
    And the full name of all the "defendants" is known to everyone.

    Especially for DO!
    Did Russia think that the EU would not do without Russian gas? It turned out that they were mistaken.
    We thought that the EU would not do without Russian oil? They are bypassed.
    We read that without our, even the times of the USSR, developments, the world will stop? Will not stop.
    The one who stopped in development is we - Russia.
    And the reason is that from the very top, to the very bottom, there are projectors, balabolians, scoundrels, crooks, thieves and amateurs who imagine themselves to be specialists and geniuses.
    And this whole corps de ballet is headed by a gang of scoundrels.
  • Revival
    Revival 26 October 2020 12: 06
    +5
    To me alone such a statement seemed pathetic and helpless?
    1. Kart
      Kart 26 October 2020 12: 23
      -7
      Of course not. There is a whole branch of you here. Person 10.
      Tremble mode!
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 October 2020 13: 06
        +1
        What mode did you flutter in?
      2. slipped
        slipped 26 October 2020 22: 41
        -2
        Quote: Carte
        Of course not. There is a whole branch of you here. Person 10.
        Tremble mode!


        Yeah, funny to read. lol
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 26 October 2020 12: 14
    +2
    Balabol, populist, language - pomelo, star, pour yellow water in your eyes - all the dew of God and the list can be continued. The king of trampolines decided to remind about himself.
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 26 October 2020 12: 19
    +1
    "They will not do without us" - Rogozin spoke about the US Lunar Program

    It’s not a healthy fashion to constantly watch what the Americans have and how they are without us. Russia has all the resources to do certain projects independently. Well, Rogozin needs to be interviewed when something is done, and not to broadcast vague plans for 2030.
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  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 26 October 2020 12: 35
    0
    Yeah. The dream of the Russian Ivanushka. Sitting on the stove, bring me rolls ... "You know, Vanya, you and I are in Paris, we are needed as ..." (c) Next - yourself.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 October 2020 12: 38
    -4
    The Americans cannot get to the ISS without us, although they must fly on their dragon, they fly on the Soyuz.
    It is not clear what lunar race Rogozin is talking about?
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 26 October 2020 13: 17
      -4
      Well, as you can see, some US patriots gathered who believe that the flight of the dragoon is a super achievement, and since he flew with the cosmonauts once, now it flies to the moon quickly.
      Rogozin hinted (you need to filter what was said in the right place) that it would be very difficult for them to get there, and since they (the Americans) know how to count money and live at someone else's expense, they will probably harness us to do something, for example, to work as cabbies until the moon, well, they just pay for the flight and chill there.
      And the hint is fantasized because for several years the dollar in circulation has been declining, and the states are on the verge of a revolution and I don't even know what will happen to NASA in a few years when the dollar accidentally turns into a candy wrapper (but this is one version).
      And what will happen to the Muslim Europe and Canada in the future? What, are there Muslim countries that have already flown into space? I don’t see anything yet.
      China, and there we can and India yes.
      And Rogozin is right that in the future it is really impossible to do without cooperation, because near space is one thing, and distant space with manned flights is very expensive and all structures and modules sent to a distance should be more standard and universal in many parameters, and above all in terms of docking, life support , energy and much more. The ISS is the most successful example of this.
      But on the other hand, cooperation can ruin everything when one of the countries (or even a company) simply refuses to supply something and the whole cooperation program will get karachun because nothing will fly without some trifle. A lot of examples when we were imposed sanctions.
      So let's wait and see who is right Rogozin or NASA.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 October 2020 16: 19
        -2
        Let them ride the dragon, the magnificent Musk will help them ...
        BUT joint expeditions with American astronauts had one, so far insurmountable, psychological problem ...
        At the Institute for Medical and Biological Problems, where experiments on psychological compatibility were carried out on ground conditions, joint Russian-American crews, in conditions of long flights to the Moon and Mars. According to the results, our doctors issued a furious verdict.
        You cannot fly with the Americans on long, space expeditions, especially it was CATEGORALLY forbidden to fly with their "women" ...
        So cooperation is not everything, but money cannot buy a Soul, you can only sell ...
        And this is the huge difference between us and them.
    2. Past the crocodile
      Past the crocodile 26 October 2020 13: 24
      -1
      Quote: Whirlwind
      The Americans cannot get to the ISS without us, although they must fly on their dragon, they fly on the Soyuz.
      It is not clear what lunar race Rogozin is talking about?

      Let's just say - you don't go up to your apartment by bus; there is an elevator for this.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 October 2020 16: 23
        0
        There is a lot to say about the elevator, the bus and the apartment ...
        But a thousand words are better than one thing.
        And the things are such that the dragon is out of work, and "Union" plows for two.
    3. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 26 October 2020 13: 57
      +3
      They can and have already flown successfully on the Dragon, the next Dragon is preparing for launch with 4 astronauts, in November it will fly according to plans.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 October 2020 16: 30
        -1
        The dragon was supposed to fly in August ...
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 26 October 2020 16: 59
          -1
          At first it was in the fall, then at the end of October, now in the first half of November. The ship and the rocket have been at the cosmodrome for a long time. The delay is due to abnormal sensor readings in another Falcon 9 launch, and NASA is reinsuring with SpaceX. Although the rest of the launches are carried out regularly. Several Falcon 9s have already successfully departed since the detection of the abnormal readings.
          1. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 26 October 2020 17: 10
            -1
            Soyuz has already flown to the ISS and back.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 26 October 2020 17: 31
              0
              What does the Union have to do with it? If you're talking about an astronaut recently launched by the Soviet Union, NASA bought this place even before the first successful manned flight of the Dragon. And this was the last ticket they bought, no new ones.
              Further, the exchange of places is expected, ours will fly as part of the crews of the Dragons, and they of the Unions. But there is already a pure barter place to place
              1. Whirlwind
                Whirlwind 26 October 2020 18: 29
                -1
                Moreover, the Union FLIES!
                And why should we risk our astronauts so much by thrusting them into this misunderstanding of the Reverend Musk?
                This barter is all from the same American opera - to stay on our necks.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 26 October 2020 18: 33
                  -2
                  Because our authorities are not at all sure that he will continue to fly so well.
                  Therefore, they are insured
                  1. Whirlwind
                    Whirlwind 26 October 2020 19: 16
                    -2
                    There is no need to translate arrows, as they say, from a sick head to a healthy one.
                    To the American dragon to the reliability of the Alliances, as to the Moon ...
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 26 October 2020 20: 00
                      -1
                      It looks like our management thinks differently.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 26 October 2020 22: 44
                        +1
                        So far, only the head of NASA has declared about cross flights, and ours said that until the Americans confirm the reliability, the legs of our cosmonauts will not be on their ships.
                      2. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 27 October 2020 09: 13
                        -2
                        Confirmed.
                        Roskosmos cosmonaut Andrei Borisenko from St. Petersburg was among the pilots who will go to the ISS on SpaceX's Crew Dragon spacecraft Ilona Mask, according to 78.ru TV channel. Crew Dragon start on May 29, 2020.

                        https://m.dp.ru/a/2020/05/22/Kosmonavt_iz_Peterburga_o
                      3. Whirlwind
                        Whirlwind 27 October 2020 09: 34
                        -3
                        Wishful thinking is a characteristic feature of Musk and his mask-addicts ...
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 27 October 2020 10: 24
                        0
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Confirmed.
                        Cosmonaut "Roscosmos", St. Petersburg resident Andrei Borisenko


                        Firstly, not on Cru Dragon, but on the third Starliner in the Calypso mission, and secondly - this has not yet been confirmed, but just some plans and not earlier than two years later.
                    2. Whirlwind
                      Whirlwind 27 October 2020 09: 29
                      -3
                      In! These are the words full of common sense, the leaders of Roscosmos who are truly responsible for our cosmonautics!
                      And yet it was not enough for our cosmonauts to make Reverend Mask the dragon testers. He arranged it himself, and let him polish ...
                2. slipped
                  slipped 26 October 2020 22: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: Whirlwind
                  There is no need to translate arrows, as they say, from a sick head to a healthy one.
                  To the American dragon to the reliability of the Alliances, as to the Moon ...


                  That's right.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 October 2020 12: 39
    +5
    Of course this race is meaningless. After all, one participant - NASA - is steadily moving forward, and the other - Rogozcomics - crawls back.
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 26 October 2020 12: 59
    0
    Give me a trampoline ... Russia Foreva ..............)))))
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 26 October 2020 12: 59
    -1
    The problem of Roscosmos is systemic .. as long as the gentlemen, like this character, will 'steer', there will be no development in the spheres where these journalist-accountants have settled, who have nothing to do with the industries that lead them, due to an incomprehensible choice
    Where not spit, EVERYWHERE not profile !!! This is not a sabotage ???
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 October 2020 13: 15
    -1
    Rogozin was again in a blissful mood, or if there is nothing to say, it is necessary to lie to maintain a mine in case of a bad game? IMHO how they will manage. Well, maybe on trifles they will attract to the creation of sarts and for this business (cooperation zhezh) something very important will be supported from the developments on other important topics.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 October 2020 14: 47
    0
    Quote: krot
    Rogozin, ay !!! The striped ones will throw us again. What kind of partnership can there be?

    With the Apollo-Soyuz program "They threw us too? Exactly? And when the Americans threw us in space exploration. Just interesting

    Quote: Soko
    Recently, Mr. Rogozin's rhetoric has changed. Bravado has disappeared somewhere.

    Six months ago, EMNIP, he said that Russia would do without the United States. "Offended." that in the circumlunar orbital station, we got the EMNIP airlock, and more and more serious modules will be developed by others. In addition, he did not agree that our module was built and our spacesuits were modernized to American standards ... And now he "sang" in a different way

    Quote: Nyrobsky
    If they have already been on the moon, then why now, without cooperation with other countries, they cannot repeat the same trick with their ears? In theory, they were monopolists in the field of landing people on the surface of the Moon and their return to Earth, and the technologies available at that time would have been brought to perfection during this time, but no, without the participation of scientists tadpoles from other countries, mattresses demonstrate only the ability to howl on The moon. Probably they deliberately burned all the documentation and destroyed all the technologies back in 1969-70, so that after half a century they would not be stolen by Russian hackers led by Rogozin.
    As for me, it was the biggest swindle of the 20th century successfully carried out.

    Write nonsense, Dmitry! No one burned any documentation, and did not destroy any technologies. They just changed in 55-60 years. The materials have changed, the production technology of the same engines has changed. In the mid-60s, the F-1 engine was the most powerful. But in the late 80s it was already outdated and we made an engine with more thrust. Will we be able, now, 35 years after Energia's flight, to repeat the production of those engines? Not to develop them from scratch, but to take the drawings and repeat one by one? Have we lost the competence of producing high-power oxygen-hydrogen engines and hydrogen production itself? Everything changes, incl. and technology. And what the United States did in the late 60s and early 70s - they really cannot repeat it now. But work in this direction is underway. The carriers are being created, surpassing Saturn-5 in their performance characteristics. After all, we, too, are unlikely to be able to repeat the same royal N-1 or alternative designs of Chelomey and Yangel ...

    They did their job, carried out the president's decision. The question was, what to do next? It makes no sense to continue flying to the moon, since a 2-3 day stay there will not give anything. Create a base on the moon? Very, very expensive and there is no guarantee that the base personnel will be able to survive. You will need either a ready-made spare ship on the surface of the Moon, protected from external influences, or an orbital station in a circumlunar orbit. The station can only be made now. And they do it in cooperation so as not to drive themselves into crazy waste. Another way of development of American astronautics at the beginning of the 70s was the creation of an orbital station for several dozen people to conduct national research. Very expensive - this is in-1, and there was no experience in creation - this is in-2. We stopped at a reusable ship. There were mistakes in predicting the capabilities of the shuttle flights, which led to an increase in the cost of the program. But nevertheless, they made 130 flights
    Then there was the question of creating your own OS "Freedom". Considered - alone - expensive. We started working on it with Russia. In the future, the rest pulled up ... And they were in no hurry to create their own carrier and ship. Sometimes it is easier to buy from others than to struggle to get done quickly.

    Now they will repeat what they usually do. Cooperation, and quite wide. But not on a parity basis, as on the ISS, where we were equal partners, but on the US terms. For they became the initiators of this program, and we began to broadcast through the mouth of Rogozin "We ourselves with a mustache"

    Quote: venik
    It would be better if we did WITHOUT Rogozin! Much more sense would be!

    You plus from me good
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2020 23: 00
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Six months ago, EMNIP, he said that Russia would do without the United States.


      So it is planned. Why do we need the USA?

      Quote: Old26
      "Offended." that in the circumlunar orbital station our share fell on the EMNIP airlock, and more and more serious modules will be developed by others.


      Why lie then? Not an airlock, but a docking and storage module-gateway. It was planned so when the agreement was concluded. It was only then that requirements arose for us, from the United States that did not suit us, since we wanted to dock our own module at the station.

      Quote: Old26
      In addition, he did not agree that our module was built and our spacesuits were modernized to American standards ... And now he "sang" differently


      How? As there were dissenters, they remained.

      Quote: Old26
      After all, we, too, will hardly be able to repeat the same royal N-1 or alternative designs of Chelomey and Yangel ...


      We don't need to repeat H-1 or Yangel. We have already begun work on our own superheavy. Here at the Progress RCC they prepared the foundation for new domestic welding machines which are manufactured by the Russian company ZAO Cheboksary Enterprise Sespel, which will be used to make tanks for the super-heavy Yenisei.



      Next year the first rocket block of the first stage will be made. Which will be tested in the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 October 2020 16: 27
    -1
    Hello, the dragon was supposed to fly in August.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 26 October 2020 16: 43
    -2
    How will they manage. We showed them everything on the ISS.
  • Pavel Patrashov
    Pavel Patrashov 26 October 2020 18: 19
    0
    What does he smoke ???
  • Crash
    Crash 26 October 2020 18: 32
    +1
    History shows that the oracle from Rogozin is so-so winked
  • Astra55
    Astra55 26 October 2020 22: 53
    +9
    Who would have fired him, this Rogozin.
    To be honest, I got it already.
    Well, at least something worthwhile with him would have turned out.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 26 October 2020 23: 29
    +1
    There is no point in even commenting on the next empty chatter.
    "I think" performed by Rogozin is already a pun. He "gets rich" with them.
    1. slipped
      slipped 27 October 2020 00: 42
      -1
      Quote: lexus
      There is no point in even commenting on the next empty chatter.
      "I think" performed by Rogozin is already a pun. He "gets rich" with them.


      Can you comment? lol I don't see "empty chatter" with him. All in the subject.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 27 October 2020 00: 55
        0
        It's amazing that you think you can. While all attempts look solely as unsuccessful attempts to clean up after the "boss". It “produces” a lot and “gives out” too often. True, not at all what is required of him. Leave the dirty "agitation" for yourself.
        1. slipped
          slipped 27 October 2020 01: 43
          -2
          Quote: lexus
          It's amazing that you think you can. While all attempts look solely as unsuccessful attempts to clean up after the "boss".


          The amazing thing is that you react so unsuccessfully to real photographic facts. laughing

          Quote: lexus
          It “produces” a lot and “gives out” too often.


          Give some specifics, or is there a golimy bah-blah-blah again, right? laughing

          Quote: lexus
          True, not at all what is required of him. Leave the dirty "agitation" for yourself.


          Facts, they prick your eyes, don't they? lol
  • Old26
    Old26 27 October 2020 02: 05
    +1
    Quote: slipped
    Why lie then? Not an airlock, but a docking and storage module-gateway. It was planned so when the agreement was concluded. It was only then that requirements arose for us, from the United States that did not suit us, since we wanted to dock our own module at the station.

    Perhaps I will not argue. But what should have been docked with the compartment - pictures were not published anywhere
    Would you like to dock your ships to the module? All in favor. Only if there are these ships, will they be in the coming years, when will this station be deployed and will there be our superheavy. And then the names of our promising launch vehicles are already dazzling in the eyes.

    Quote: slipped
    How? As there were dissenters, they remained.

    We can disagree to the end of the century. But the station is being created not under the aegis of Russia, but under the aegis of the United States. Who plan their requirements. Of course, we can disagree with these requirements, but then they will do without us. And the time when the station was created by one country is already leaving. It is more profitable to do everything in cooperation


    Quote: slipped
    We don't need to repeat H-1 or Yangel.

    And I'm not saying that you have to repeat. If you would carefully read my post, then this is the answer to the doubts of the comrade, why then they could have done, and now they claim that technologies are lost and so on. I wrote that we could not now repeat the same royal N-1 and the development of Yangel and Chelomey.
    Technology has a tendency to become outdated and outdated (and become a thing of the past). It's the same as trying to mass-produce now, but at least the receivers of the 30s ... There is no longer any elemental lubricant, no materials ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 27 October 2020 03: 40
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Perhaps I will not argue. But what should have been docked with the compartment - pictures were not published anywhere


      The plans were to create its own Russian segment at the lunar station. Like the ISS.



      Quote: Old26
      Would you like to dock your ships to the module? All in favor.


      Yes, to our docking and storage module, our PTK and LVPK ships and retrofitting modules.

      Quote: Old26
      Only if there are these ships, will they be in the coming years, when will this station be deployed and will there be our superheavy.


      Sure. Launch of the first PTK NP Orel at the end of 2023 from the Vostochny cosmodrome. This year, the first bench product will be assembled, and the assembly of flight products will begin next year.



      As for the superheavy, now work is underway to create the first stage of the Soyuz-5 rocket, the rocket itself will be ready by 2023.

      Quote: Old26
      And then the names of our promising launch vehicles are already dazzling in the eyes.


      Oh, yes. laughing

      Next month, the second A5 flies, the rocket is ready and is at the cosmodrome at MIK.

      The next year, A5 with a new RB 14S48, two RBs of this type were delivered to the cosmodrome and a light A1.2, the aggregate module of which a few days ago passed the OSI at the NRC RCP.

      In 2022, testing of the new A5 and A1.2 will continue.

      In 2023 - Soyuz-5 from Baikonur and A5P from Vostochny, from 2024 the first flight of A5M and an ultralight rocket. In 2025, the first flight of the Amur-LNG and Soyuz-6. In 2028, the Yenisei is to start.



      Quote: Old26
      but then they will manage without us. And the time when the station was created by one country is already leaving. It is more profitable to do everything in cooperation


      You do not understand what Rogozin said - above I wrote what the conversation would be about.

      Quote: Old26
      There are no more elemental lubricants, no materials ...


      And the element base and materials are different, much more modern, for example, the bodies of the new missiles will be made of aluminum-scandium alloy.
  • slipped
    slipped 27 October 2020 20: 39
    0
    a full interview with Rogozin, which in its meaning directly contradicts this stuffing

  • VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 27 October 2020 22: 19
    -1
    Why do we need space? The oceans are important, there is food, fossils and everything there.