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A possible way for the Armenian side to "nullify" all the recent military successes of the Azerbaijani troops was named

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Azerbaijani troops continued their attempts to break through to the strategically important settlement of Lachin (Berdzor).


The importance of this territory is due to the fact that it is located on the section of the road that connects the territory of the Republic of Armenia with the territory of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic - in particular, the Armenian Goris with Shusha and Stepanakert.

The M12 highway near Lachin came under fire from the Azerbaijani side. The Armenian side informs about it.



Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense is showing footage of the territories of the Gubadli region taken under its control.


All these reports indicate that if the situation continues to develop the way it is developing now, then Armenia may lose communication routes with Artsakh, and Artsakh itself will be surrounded by Azerbaijani troops from all sides.

The Armenian side, if it really intends to remain in the positions that it occupied before the start of the new phase of the conflict, will hardly be helped by negotiations and diplomacy. Military success is clearly needed, which in turn could provide space for the above-mentioned political and diplomatic maneuver.

In theory, from a military point of view, the Armenian side could "nullify" all the recent successes of the Azerbaijani troops in only one way. This is a concentration of relatively large forces in the Martuni area with an attempted counteroffensive against Horadiz. At the same time, the concentration of forces and means should be such that the offensive is supported on a front section with a width of at least 20-25 km (the direction is marked with a red arrow on the map). Otherwise, the emerging forces themselves may end up in a local "cauldron".


If successful, the Armenian side would be able to cut off from the main forces of Azerbaijan those troops that previously took control of the territory from Horadiz to Zangilan - along the Iranian border.

However, for such a hypothetical operation of the Armenian troops - an operation to take the enemy grouping into a ring (in fact, into a "cauldron"), there are many difficulties. First, the difficulties of military planning and regrouping of troops against the background of the ongoing conflict on different sectors of the fronts. Secondly, the proximity of the Iranian territory, to which, in the event of a large-scale counteroffensive by the NKR troops, so-called random shells, mines and missiles will fly. And the Azerbaijani side is unlikely to ignore the enemy's potential to cut the zone in the Horadiz area. But without military success, the Armenian side will clearly face inevitable problems if Yerevan really intends to maintain control over Karabakh.
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  1. Yeraz
    Yeraz 25 October 2020 15: 38
    -45 qualifying.
    And Russia has already helped Armenia by placing its troops on the border yesterday, thereby freeing large forces of Armenians from this sector and transferring them to other places.
    Also, their small group can attack, and then hide behind the backs of the Russian troops stationed there.
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 25 October 2020 15: 49
      +9
      Quote: Yeraz
      And Russia has already helped Armenia by placing its troops on the border yesterday, thereby freeing large forces of Armenians from this sector and transferring them to other places.


      Here is a photo confirming this fact.

      And it should be noted that after their first publication on the Internet, by the "Azerbaijani blogosphere", they were called "an Armenian trick and provocation" with the aim of drawing Russia into the conflict.
      But over time, the passions subsided, and it became obvious that the field camp of the Russian army in southern Armenia, near the border in Karabakh, in the Syunik region, was broken up to indicate the presence and display of the flag.
      Separately, it is noted that the unit is very small in number, and arrived without heavy weapons.



      1. MTN
        MTN 25 October 2020 15: 53
        -38 qualifying.
        Quote: Stasi
        Here is a photo confirming this fact.

        Not one self-respecting country does this. Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!
        1. Stasi
          Stasi 25 October 2020 15: 59
          42
          Quote: MTN
          Not one self-respecting country does this. Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!

          Do you really think that the Armenians are free to command the Russian troops in the republic as their own, moving them wherever they want?

          Do not forget that these are not yours, but OUR, Russian troops, and Pashinyan, not Erdogan, who disposes of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces as his own.

          It is clear that this is not a pleasant "surprise" for you, especially when you realize that it is STEP OF THE RUSSIAN SIDE.

          While tactical and modest...
          1. MTN
            MTN 25 October 2020 16: 04
            -47 qualifying.
            Quote: Stasi
            and Pashinyan, not Erdogan, who controls the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan as his own.

            You write nonsense.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 27 October 2020 00: 02
              +3
              concentration of relatively large forces in the Martuni area with an attempted counteroffensive

              Concentration of forces under enemy air domination is the funeral of these forces
          2. MTN
            MTN 25 October 2020 16: 38
            -40 qualifying.
            Quote: Stasi
            It is clear, however, that this is not a pleasant "surprise" for you, especially when you realize that this is a STEP of the RUSSIAN SIDE.

            While tactical and modest ...

            This step is a slap in the face for the Armenians. Azerbaijan could put a Turkish group against the Russian and would go further and further. I will even say more, to stuff the Turkish army with the Turkish army in Nakhichevan and the entire Nakhichevan corps in Karabakh. Little will then not seem to anyone. Don't you think Aliyev did not know about this step?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
            If you do not understand this is TORG. If Pashinyan is not smart, Pashinyan himself will guard the border. This is the lever for Armenia. Look deeper) With this action, Russia is not fulfilling the tasks of the CSTO but the Petrovsky project, who is the daddy !!!! And it is addressed not to us but to the Armenians)))))

            This whole war was discussed with Putin. Do you just think he was silent? And now suddenly he decided to go to Azerbaijan?))))))))))))))))))))))) She showed the Armenians by this act that there will be no holy Russian foot, you will all be destroyed like in Karabakh)

            Now it dawned on you?)))))))))))))))))))))))
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 25 October 2020 16: 43
              28
              Quote: MTN
              Azerbaijan could put a Turkish group against the Russian and would go further and further.

              Do you give a report that this is obvious nonsense?

              Turks, their Armed Forces, in Karabakh belay ? You were clearly bitten by Erdogan ...

              Rabies is treated with timely referral to specialists yes .
              1. MTN
                MTN 25 October 2020 16: 45
                -26 qualifying.
                Quote: BDRM 667
                Turks, their Armed Forces, in Karabakh? You were clearly bitten by Erdogan ...

                Here everyone said, the Turkish army is here, but what happened now? All these days it was said here that the barmaley and the Turks are fighting for Azerbaijan? By the way, it may well be. Territory of Azerbaijan and we call whoever he wants.
                1. kventinasd
                  kventinasd 25 October 2020 17: 15
                  +6
                  Quote: MTN
                  Territory of Azerbaijan and we call whoever he wants.

                  Azerbaijan, Armenia, like the entire Caucasus, is the territory of Russian interests, not Turkish ones, and you will do what Russia decides.
                  1. Stock
                    Stock 25 October 2020 17: 21
                    -30 qualifying.
                    Wow, how formidable. Armenia is a zone of Armenian interests; Azerbaijan-Azerbaijani; and Russia - Russian is primarily
                    1. kventinasd
                      kventinasd 25 October 2020 17: 28
                      32
                      There are no interests of yours. Look at the map and read the story! Azerbaijan and Armenia, if there is no Russian influence, will go to the Turks or the Iranians, and no one is going to ask you about it. The Turks first of all, because they need access to the Caspian, and Iran, so that their overseas enemies do not strike from the north.
                    2. Odessa Greek
                      Odessa Greek 25 October 2020 19: 33
                      20
                      Children's babbling of the inhabitants of the limitrophe countries))) laughing As regional leaders decide (Russia, Turkey), so will Aliyev and Parsley Pashinyan wassat
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 25 October 2020 21: 43
                        +6
                        Quote: Odessa Greek
                        Children's babbling of the inhabitants of the limitrophe countries))) laughing As regional leaders decide (Russia, Turkey), so will Aliyev and Parsley Pashinyan wassat

                        How would it be. So far, to all appearances, Pashinyan is being "leveled", showing in practice that an attempt to sit on two chairs unambiguously leads to a break in the "fifth point" of the inmate. Those who financed Pashinyan's revolution and approved the candidacies of the government apparatus with an anti-Russian bias, as assistants in the war, have not yet shown themselves in any way, and the people, who believed that manna from heaven would fall on them with the arrival of Pashinyan, discovered that apart from shells from the territory of Azerbaijan nothing else fell on him. Russia will not physically interfere in this conflict on any side, and therefore the submission of such material -
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And Russia has already helped Armenia by placing its troops on the border yesterday, thereby freeing large forces of Armenians from this sector and transferring them to other places. Also, their small group can attack, and then hide behind the backs of the Russian troops stationed there.
                        - nothing more than an element of information war in favor of Ankara in order to justify the presence and participation of its servicemen in the conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. To create exactly the same "picture" (the presence of Russian troops in the conflict zone) only from the side of the Turks, I only need two Turkish flags, three tents and several people in camouflage.
                        Quote: Stasi
                        Quote: Yeraz


                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 25 October 2020 21: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        To create exactly the same "picture" (the presence of Russian troops in the conflict zone) only from the side of the Turks, I only need two Turkish flags, three tents and several people in camouflage.

                      3. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 25 October 2020 22: 06
                        +1

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                  2. BDRM 667
                    BDRM 667 26 October 2020 09: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Odessa Greek
                    As the regional leaders (Russia, Turkey) decide, so will they

                    You will agree that you gave an incompletely correct assessment of the role and status of Russia in the region.
                    Of course, due to our geographical position, we are represented in the region, and we have our own interests, but not as a regional power (which by all definitions is Turkey), but as a global geopolitical player ...

                    After all, there is a difference "between and between"?
                2. Ganja
                  Ganja 25 October 2020 22: 19
                  -9
                  Since 1917, Russia has no interests, there were interests of the country of the Soviets, and the Armenians sold them to new overseas owners already in 1988, and strangely enough, the Russians helped them a lot in this.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 17: 42
                14
                Quote: kventinasd
                Azerbaijan, Armenia, like the entire Caucasus, is the territory of Russian interests, not Turkish ones, and you will do what Russia decides.

                Yes, you are an imperialist, my friend. But in fact, yes, the Caucasus is an eternal zone of conflict between Russian and Turkish interests.
                1. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 25 October 2020 19: 49
                  +4
                  Yes, you are an imperialist, my friend. But in fact, yes, the Caucasus is an eternal zone of conflict between Russian and Turkish interests.
                  But this imperialist is right. De jure, these are the territories of the empire of the USSR (within the boundaries fixed in the UN) and Turkey, according to all international laws, there is nothing to do there. So that it does not change now, but the status of the territories will be decided by the imperial peoples - the owners of the USSR, after its restoration in 2025. These are the internal affairs of the USSR, and Turkey has nothing to catch here. At least until these republics secede from the state of the USSR, after summing up the balance, and according to the laws of the USSR. And to leave, IMHO, they should be within the boundaries of their entry. And if, for example, Abkhazia became part of the RI-USSR before Georgia, then they should leave separately, if they want of course.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 19: 55
                    +3
                    Quote: Hypatius
                    But, this imperialist is right ...

                    The USSR has never been an empire.
                    Quote: Hypatius
                    will be decided by the imperial peoples - the owners of the USSR, after its restoration in 2025.

                    Can I get more details from this place?
                  2. Hypatius
                    Hypatius 25 October 2020 21: 23
                    +1
                    The USSR has never been an empire.
                    Strictly speaking, in terms of one owner - the emperor, the USSR is not an empire. Owners are all citizens with equal rights. It is an empire in part, a powerful association of peoples with a single center of control. I used this term only in the logic of your previous reasoning.
                    Quote: Hypatius
                    will be decided by the imperial peoples - the owners of the USSR, after its restoration in 2025.

                    Can I get more details from this place?
                    The UN is the USSR, and the AO of the Russian Federation under the guise of the Russian Federation (such as the changed name of the USSR), only temporarily replaces it (therefore, periodically incidents with Russian diplomats and the seizure of consulates). The borders of the USSR are internationally recognized, and the borders between its republics and other objects are an internal matter, and are not fixed anywhere in international law. So someone needs to get involved in the showdown in Texas and California, if a collapse of the federal government happens in the States, like ours? The third is superfluous and according to world laws, he interferes in the management of someone else's property (in the conflict of owners). And he (for example, Mexico) for this should be punished by the entire world community.
                2. Megatron
                  Megatron 25 October 2020 21: 47
                  +5
                  owners of the USSR, after its restoration in 2025

                  I understand, of course, that it's a weekend, but you also need to have a snack.
                  As long as the Chubais gang is in power, we have nothing to catch.
                3. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 25 October 2020 22: 03
                  -1
                  I understand, of course, that it's a weekend, but you also need to have a snack.
                  As long as the Chubais gang is in power, we have nothing to catch.
                  You cannot drink the citizenship of the USSR on drink, you can only drink yourself as a person. According to forged and insignificant documents, the raiders seized the state = property of citizens, national. They have deprived the peoples of civil and political rights, now they have taken up natural ones. In other words, they were occupied. Do you think limitlessness can last forever? De jure, the Constitution of the USSR has not been canceled by anyone, and Article 64 of Treason to the Motherland, too. And many facts point exactly to 2025.
                  I will leave a link if you have time and desire to think about it (only on a sober head)
                4. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 22: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Hypatius
                  Do you think limitlessness can last forever? De jure, the Constitution of the USSR has not been canceled by anyone, and the 64th article of Treason to the Motherland, too.

                  I certainly agree with you on this, but after all, you are an adult and must understand that any paper is worth something only when there is power behind it. Or do you seriously think that all these putins, potanins, Chubais will be brought to you by the USSR in 2025 on a silver platter?
          3. Ganja
            Ganja 25 October 2020 22: 22
            -12 qualifying.
            where were you in 1988? when the Armenians sold the Soviet Union with their losses or harassed the Armenians for the sake of today to complain about NATO
        2. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 25 October 2020 18: 54
          +1
          You need to drink less ...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 October 2020 17: 14
      12
      ... Do you give a report that this is obvious nonsense?

      This Azertroll is sure that the tail twists the dog. This
      ... Azerbaijan could put a Turkish group against Russia
      , of course, just a gem. Who does this ass think he is? The Turks, it turns out, at the click of Azerbot's fingers, will put their army against the Russian one. They are eager to fight for the AZers.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 17: 48
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        This Azertroll is sure that the tail twists the dog. This

        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        fight for AZers

        Do not incite interethnic strife, especially since the site rules prohibit it.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 October 2020 18: 33
          +4
          Wow, am I kindling it? Than? You here, AZtrolls with might and main on the VO site, in order to push through your information trash - and nothing? Do not flirt, young man, stinks of 'ethnic strife' from the comments of Azerbaijani and Armenian bots. And the fact that neither one nor the other is loved in Russia is an indisputable fact.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 19: 11
            +5
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            You are here, AZtrolls are using the VO platform with might and main,

            Is it me, in your "AZtrol"? Thank you for the young man, no one called that for 40 years winked .
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            'ethnic strife' stinks from the comments of Azerbaijani and Armenian bots.

            And our, domestic cheers-patriots are drawn to the same fight (on the couch). But seriously, then why be like them. This is not a war for our interests, my neighbor, Khachik did nothing bad. I have been buying spices from a family of Azerbaijanis at the market for five years now, can I say something bad about them? The war for European energy markets is not my war, I don't have a well in my garden, and my neighbor Khachik does not. This is what we need to talk about, and not to look for trolls, they will always be and there will always be people ready to make their "little" gesheft out of ethnic hatred.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 October 2020 20: 17
              +1
              I'm sorry, I missed, I see. Recently, the tops of the VO have proliferated, they climb with their own 'truth', push their propaganda slag, they are sick of them and their agitation. Therefore, I am too emotional, I confess.
              Glad I made a mistake about you, nevertheless - sorry.
              But, I suppose, an ordinary hare-man in the street has approximately the same dislike for both Armenians and Az-ts. He is indifferent or even supportive of the nationalities, until they begin to pump the rights and become more visible than necessary. Moreover, these cheap rhetorical tricks with parallels with the Second World War ...
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 20: 59
              +2
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              until they start pumping rights

              Rather not, the problem is when numerous diasporas appear, living by their own laws.
          2. Mikhalych 70
            Mikhalych 70 26 October 2020 00: 01
            +4
            In Peterhof, I did not see that the shops and shawarmas would be closed and the owners would each run their homeland (for me their homeland - with a lowercase letter) to defend. And one answered me that he had a Russian passport, and if he was killed, then Russia would "burn out." So that he, selling bananas, saves Russia. The dream is to live up to the next ruler, who will send every Caucasian or Transcaucasian guest to his aul. In the "stolypin". They are already yelling, like there are not enough workers, the Asians and others have fled. And X is with them! The problem of workers in big cities has always been. But they solved it at the expense of their own. Pskov, Novgorod ... Maybe everything really will come back. I would very much like to. And these ... Yes, let them at least burn each other with napalm. What is it to us? And the Tsar will agree with Pasha. Not the first time. That would completely spoil the relationship because of the synovas.
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 October 2020 00: 21
            -3
            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            each ran his homeland (for me, their homeland - with a lowercase letter)

            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            The dream is to live up to the next ruler, who will send every Caucasian or Transcaucasian guest to his aul.

            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            And these ... Yes, let them at least burn each other with napalm.

            This is where fascism begins. The next stage is nonsense about the Russo-Aryans and the cards of Tartary.
            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            They are already yelling, like there are not enough workers, the Asians and others have fled.

            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            ... solved it at the expense of their own. Pskov, Novgorod ...

            I watched how your "metropolitan" people solved their problems, hired Uzbeks, and how the matter approached retribution, they called the migration service. You live there too well, you are accustomed to traveling at the expense of the provinces.
          4. Mikhalych 70
            Mikhalych 70 27 October 2020 21: 23
            +1
            Well, dear ... I am from the capital in 4 hours by "peregrine falcon"))) If you understand that I am writing from a cultural, or gangster (as you like!), Thank you! And migration and other power tools ... And X with them! If those for whom you are trying to fit in were in the country legally, taught the language and customs ... There are no questions. However, every aul comes here, which for money, even build a house, even make an abortion, even cure teeth. Well. or a Russian girl will be raped in a taxi. Let's deal with our crime ourselves? That would not hide the criminal under the embassies and in places of compact residence. In Russia, a Russian (I do not speak Russian !!!) can be found. And let the doctors and the intelligentsia come to us. Although, God forbid the second Tsereteli! and, as for the Aryans ... From the song and history such as you would gladly throw out a few words.
          5. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 27 October 2020 21: 49
            0
            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            Well, dear ... I am from the Capital in 4 hours drive ...

            I understand that you are from St. Petersburg. The problem is really that they do not want to assimilate and try to live in diasporas. As for national crime, it is no more than local crime. The fact that theirs is even worse than ours is not their fault. The bad news is that the authorities, instead of raising wages, bring in migrants and pay them less than the Russians, which makes it worse for the indigenous population. And the locals are angry with migrants. I do not idealize them, I lived in Uzbekistan for a long time, I grew up with Armenians and Circassians, they are different. And doctors and the intelligentsia will not come to us, they are paid little here, and their diplomas are not always recognized. And I also believe that there is nothing more dangerous for our country than nationalism, especially Russian nationalism.
          6. Mikhalych 70
            Mikhalych 70 27 October 2020 22: 58
            +1
            You know ... I also lived in the USSR. Kahastan. Uzbekistan. Father was a rocket scientist. But then they returned to their homeland, and Leningrad. And during his service in the Internal Troops of the Navy of the USSR 88-90, he had seen enough of everyone. Since then, for me, all blackness is the same. Both the Aizers and the Armenians were shooting at us in the same way. I saw a lot of things about Asians ... You know, swear, minus ... I want to see the mighty, great Russia. Desirable, within the boundaries of the 13th year of the twentieth century. I understand, utopia, I understand that the authorities are comfortable with Maskvabad ... But, I would like to live in Russia. Decent and patriarchal. So, the dream of a pensioner of the troops. But if I need it, I think I can still be useful.
          7. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 28 October 2020 00: 48
            +4
            Quote: Mikhalych 70
            You know ... I also lived in the USSR. Kahastan. Uzbekistan ...

            You see, Konstantin, I do not idealize the southerners, I have no friends from the nationalities (not Russified), but we Russians can learn a lot from them. For example, I have not met a nation that (for the most part) keeps its word better and believes in its word than the Circassians (Adyghes), and even their traffic cops. Russia is a multinational country and we need a supranational idea, otherwise there will be no sense. And the supranational idea is only a class one. With the improvement of the general education of the population, national differences are gradually disappearing. Yes, the same Armenians and Azerbaijanis in general coexisted peacefully under the USSR.
  2. Old tanker
    Old tanker 26 October 2020 07: 01
    +2
    Familiar Armenians and Azerbaijanis answer me in the same way. They say we have Russian citizenship, we have been living here for a long time and this is not our war.
  • genisis
    genisis 25 October 2020 17: 33
    +3

    Omar, it has not come yet, but it is starting quietly))))
    1. MTN
      MTN 25 October 2020 17: 37
      -19 qualifying.
      Quote: genisis
      Omar, it has not come yet, but it is starting quietly))))

      Ara, are you just now awake? The main thing is to learn to distinguish the word partner from a vassal. Then everything will fall into place. But with whom you are partners, the question is interesting.
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 October 2020 17: 43
        +6

        But I'm wondering - what is this model?
        Fell today
        1. MTN
          MTN 25 October 2020 18: 00
          -14 qualifying.
          Quote: genisis
          But I'm wondering - what is this model?

          Let me show you the best.

          https://video.azertag.az/ru/site/video/105373

          How is it? Like? You know what's interesting .... From September 27, 2020 visually confirmed losses (in real life there are many more) tanks are as follows: Armenia: 159 tanks, of which
          destroyed: 101, damaged: 4, captured: 54

          54 tanks captured, how many trophies and everything, the price of the war has dropped significantly for us, do you know? And given today's list and video, have you already gone charging children there? Out of cannon fodder?

          By the way, yesterday the puppet regime asked for help from Russia? Where has the invincible Armenian spirit gone? You are here talking about a broken drone, despite the fact that you are silent, you ruined your army, so that you can now recover, oh, how much money will be needed. You are in such a hole in debt that I will not envy you. By the way, do you think Russian troops were just there on the border?)))))))))))))))))))))) Free cheese will only be in a mousetrap. Now I wonder what you will give Russia. The air defense was given, the borders were given, what do you still have left there?)))))))
          1. businessv
            businessv 25 October 2020 21: 19
            +1
            Quote: MTN
            Now I wonder what you will give Russia. The air defense was given, the borders were given, what do you still have left there?)))))))

            In any case, less than you will give to your owners - the minke and the sultan.
          2. Stasi
            Stasi 26 October 2020 01: 11
            -3
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: genisis
            But I'm wondering - what is this model?

            Let me show you the best.

            https://video.azertag.az/ru/site/video/105373

            How is it? Like? You know what's interesting .... From September 27, 2020, the visually confirmed losses (in real life, much more) tanks are as follows: Armenia: 159 tanks, of which
            destroyed: 101, damaged: 4, captured: 54


            stop Dear ... We are not in the market ...

            A specific question was asked about the downed UAV model.

            What kind of nonsense are you talking about, instead of giving a definite answer as well?

            It is clear that you perceive every loss in life and technique painfully, but be a man, do not slide into verbal hysteria ...
        2. MTN
          MTN 25 October 2020 20: 01
          -8
          Quote: genisis
          But I'm wondering -

          I'd rather tell you something interesting. Do you recognize?

          although I do not like the current policy of Georgia, they still made a gift.
          A gift from the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan for our neighbors Georgians!
          During the counter-offensive operation of the Azerbaijani army in the occupied
          Vahagn, head of Armenian separatists in Georgia, was liquidated in Karabakh
          Chakhalyan. He was the initiator of the accession of the Georgian
          from the Samtskhe-Javakheti region to Armenia. He was of course imprisoned and then escaped after the change of power and performed the role of the fifth column in Georgia, in the Samtsve region.
          As part of various garbage, he came to fight in Karabakh in order to continue the occupation of Azerbaijani lands. Destroyed, skull ripped.
          1. genisis
            genisis 26 October 2020 14: 33
            0
            Omarchik, Paron Chakhalyan sends you his regards.

            Did you find out?
            I'm just personally interested, do you feel ashamed when you screw up?
            Apparently not, otherwise you would have died of shame.
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 October 2020 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: genisis

          But I'm wondering - what is this model?
          Fell today

          ThunderB is an Israeli intelligence agent. It can hang in the air for 25 hours. Instead of a satellite)))
  • nobody75
    nobody75 25 October 2020 20: 19
    +1
    Azerbaijan could put a Turkish group against the Russian and would go further and further.

    So put it ... Stuff Nakhchivan with Turkish troops ... So it will be even more interesting ... Buy popcorn?
    Sincerely
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 25 October 2020 17: 53
    -13 qualifying.
    We put on your tactical moves ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 October 2020 16: 54
    +8
    It is necessary to remember, speaking about another army, the entire Turkish pigsty from Syria, which is fighting for the Azeris.
    1. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 25 October 2020 17: 42
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Incvizitor
      It is necessary to remember, speaking about another army, the entire Turkish pigsty from Syria, which is fighting for the Azeris.

      Have you seen how they are fighting for Azerbaijan, or do you like Armenian fakes and fables? Are there docks? Well, let's say: the bodies of killed Syrians, prisoners of war, captured documents, ammunition, videos (and not those handicraft Armenian video cuts from old Syrian videos with a superimposed soundtrack), confessions of family members (interviews), etc.? No, well, keep your conclusions inspired by Arm's whine. MO for yourself. There is no such person who, where from the foreign mercenaries, if they fight somewhere, it immediately becomes known. This was the case in all conflicts.
      The Armenians showed the corpses of Azerbaijani soldiers from different battles, where are the Syrians, Turks, etc.?
      1. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 25 October 2020 17: 59
        10
        If there are Syrians there, no one will let them in there with Syrian documents. They will take everything away and put on an Azerbaijani uniform.
        Even the Soviet military at one time wore Egyptian, Syrian and Vietnamese uniforms.
        There will be tight evidence for anyone. Only if you take it alive. And then they will say that the setting. Like an actor, or a refugee from Syria (ethnic Armenian) therefore speaks Arabic.
        It is very difficult to prove or disprove this. Anyway.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 25 October 2020 20: 21
        -1
        You can also bring from Syria ... There would be a desire ...
        Sincerely
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 17: 50
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Incvizitor
      It is necessary to remember, speaking about another army, the entire Turkish pigsty from Syria, which is fighting for the Azeris.

      Have you seen it yourself? Or did one grandmother say?
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 25 October 2020 18: 56
      -5
      Evidence on the table ... otherwise a cheap liar.
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 October 2020 20: 25
        -7

        As it is said, if Aliyev does not see the evidence, then someone is cheating him.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 25 October 2020 17: 20
    +8
    Quote: MTN
    Quote: Stasi
    Here is a photo confirming this fact.

    Not one self-respecting country does this. Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!


    Armenian radio replies:
    - What is the most beautiful city? Of course, Yerevan!
    - And how many bombs are needed to destroy such a beautiful city?
    - Baku is also a beautiful city.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 25 October 2020 17: 25
    16
    Quote: MTN
    Not one self-respecting country does this. Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!

    Dear, there is a "CSTO Treaty", and if you do not fulfill it, then "shame". And so, everything is honest. To Karabakh, the Treaty does not apply, but to Armenia, yes, although I regret it a little, it’s a little necessary to teach the presumptuous Armenians a lesson, if they didn’t shout "Russia away", everything would be different ...
    1. MTN
      MTN 25 October 2020 17: 42
      -9
      Quote: Dead Day
      Dear, there is a "CSTO Treaty", and if you do not fulfill it, then "shame".

      I agree. I do not argue. Russia is the locomotive of this organization and, accordingly, should be in the forefront.


      Quote: Dead Day
      I regret a little about it, to teach the presumptuous Armenians a lesson, a little is needed, if they did not shout "Russia away", everything would be different.

      Dear, do you agree that the war is negotiated with Russia? Agreed. In April 2016 it was also discussed. After 4 days of fighting, Russia said STOP. And the army (Southern District) raised. Do you think this is for the sake of Azerbaijan? Of course not. I have no complaints about Russia. Everything is clear here as 2 by 2. If Pashinyan is not smarter, he himself will guard the border, and Azerbaijan will unearth a document on the 99-year lease of the Iravan Khanate and go ahead. Aliyev is a smart president, he discussed everything in detail with the Kremlin and this action of the Russian troops does not upset us. We understand who Armenia belongs to).
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 October 2020 17: 56
        +6
        Quote: MTN
        Dear, do you agree that the war is negotiated with Russia? Agreed.

        Dear, I don't have reliable information, so I can't say anything about this. For now, I only believe what I see.
      2. Curious
        Curious 27 October 2020 03: 43
        0
        I got a similar impression that the main stages of this war were coordinated with Russia. To the surprise of the Armenian side (and not only), Russia is showing restraint. Even looking through Russian news feeds, the neutrality and secondary importance of such news is striking. The fact that Russia is very "cool" about Pashinyan is still putting it mildly! The actions of the Armenian leadership have long irritated Moscow. The Armenians themselves say this, which means that it is so. It is still necessary to solve the Karabakh problem. By the way, it was Armenia that refused (with the arrival of Pashinyan) to fulfill the Minsk agreements on the liberation of the Azerbaijani regions captured in the first war. And now I will express a seditious thought, for which both the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians will teach me the minuses :) Although I am not Russian, I would like to note that it was under Russia that these regions flourished. If Russia leaves this region, then both Armenia and Azerbaijan will lose their independence (it is still very conditional) and become part of larger countries - Turkey and Iran. Sorry to be straightforward, but just look at the map and study the history. These state entities are temporary. Now minus!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 30 October 2020 20: 31
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      although I regret a little about it, to teach the presumptuous Armenians a lesson, a little is needed, if they had not shouted "Russia away", everything would have been different.

      Nothing changed
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 25 October 2020 21: 55
    +1
    I wonder how Turkish officers are in charge of the Azerbaijani armed forces? Probably not a shame.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 23: 15
    +1
    Quote: MTN
    Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!

    And when a country is pushed to "liberate its territories" by a neighboring state, when this operation is planned by its neighbors and carried out under their leadership, when the ranks of local soldiers are not persistent enough and the neighboring country brings in international terrorists to strengthen them - what is that called? This is a complete loss of sovereignty out of the blue.
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  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 25 October 2020 16: 54
    -5
    The fact that the Armenians have hung Russian flags in a place where they may be painful to beat does not do them credit.
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 17: 05
      +4
      Tell me, why are you already on the BTR-70 began to move? 80's already done, is it all out?
      1. Fitter
        Fitter 25 October 2020 17: 16
        +1
        In Azerbaijan, they are staffed with border guards.
        1. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 17: 22
          +3
          That is, the Azerbaijani border guards took part in the sortie in the direction of Berdzor?
          And what were the motorized infantry doing at this time?
          Guarding the border?
          1. MTN
            MTN 25 October 2020 18: 02
            -8
            Quote: genisis
            And what were the motorized infantry doing at this time?

            from the first rows I watched this https://video.azertag.az/files/video/2020/3/16036145632990042333.mp4
          2. Fitter
            Fitter 25 October 2020 19: 10
            0
            We reached the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Lachin region
            1. genisis
              genisis 25 October 2020 19: 26
              0
              Judging by the abandoned armored personnel carriers, something went wrong during the "exit".
      2. MTN
        MTN 25 October 2020 17: 45
        -9
        Quote: genisis
        Tell me, why are you already on the BTR-70 began to move? 80's already done, is it all out?

        I love your humor. It's not just that many of the jesters and clowns of Russian TV are representatives of your people. I know you will soon celebrate the victory, having lost the occupied lands and will talk about your invincible military spirit. I will now lay out your losses to you, this horror will not allow you to think about our losses.
        1. Fitter
          Fitter 25 October 2020 19: 13
          +5
          18-year-old boys are dying for the fact that the diaspora would bloom and smell. The boys will die, and these will be bonuses, as victims of the new Turkish genocide.
          1. genisis
            genisis 25 October 2020 19: 28
            -3
            Boys die because Aliyev doesn't care. It was he who left them to kill and die.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 25 October 2020 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: genisis
              Boys die because Aliyev doesn't care.

              Well, well .. and when the problem was created, the land was squeezed out of Azerbaijan and all the norms were squeezed out of Azerbaijanis?
              amazes your hypocrisy!
              was 20 years old for a political decision, so what? you decided that they have squeezed out the Armenian too? waited?
  • smart fellow
    smart fellow 25 October 2020 17: 58
    -5
    The English writer Joseph Conrad wrote in one of his stories: in an African country there was a British army whose security was ensured by all the power of the British Empire.
    The size of the Russian unit is not important, what is important is that the power of the entire Russian army is behind it. The Armenian side can shell Azerbaijan with impunity, hiding behind the Russian army. Therefore, it is obvious that Russian "neutrality" works for the Armenians. Articles are already appearing on the Azerbaijani website https://zerkalo.az/ that Russia supports Armenia and Turkey is needed to balance the parties in the negotiations.
    The more actively Russia supports Armenia, the faster Azerbaijan and Turkey are getting closer.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: smart fellow
      The more actively Russia supports Armenia, the faster Azerbaijan and Turkey are getting closer.

      What a horror. This has never happened, and now again. Do not make me laugh. Aliyev and Erdogan are no longer on friendly terms anyway. And one hell Aliyev will one day come to Russia when it will be necessary to show Erdogan that although there is one people, but two independent and independent states.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 26 October 2020 05: 10
        0
        They are friends because there is interest - the Karabakh problem. If the problem is resolved, then interest may disappear. In any case, Azerbaijan. In Turkmenistan, Erdogan also said: 2 countries and one people, but that is how it ended since interest is Turkmen gas. And gas can be sold to anyone and bought from anyone, as long as it is profitable.
        And one hell Aliyev will come to Russia one day when it will be necessary to show Erdogan that although there is one people, there are two independent and independent states.

        Zhirinovsky said on the 60 Minutes program that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis would crawl to Moscow on their knees. Both those and others watch this program and after these went straight to buy knee pads? On the contrary, the foreign ministers of both countries went to Washington. Russia now has the wrong economy and the wrong political weight to pursue an imperial policy.
    2. Mikhalych 70
      Mikhalych 70 26 October 2020 00: 14
      +5
      The beginning! To be honest, I was waiting for the "old songs about the main thing" to appear. That Russia supports Armenians / Ayzers. When we, boys VVshnikov, were sent to maintain the "constitutional order", the screeching was the same. Both of them shouted that the Russians supported the opposite side. At the same time, do not forget to shoot from both sides. I really hope that the Tsar will have enough endurance and will not send a contingent. Neither there nor there. Everything is fair. Whoever won, that and the women.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 26 October 2020 05: 15
        0
        This is already happening. Let's see what will happen next.
  • icant007
    icant007 25 October 2020 18: 53
    +1
    Are there too many flags in the first photo?
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  • genisis
    genisis 25 October 2020 15: 53
    13
    You about it? The Turkish wolf must see the flags, otherwise it will demolish the tower.
    1. MTN
      MTN 25 October 2020 16: 00
      -21 qualifying.
      Quote: genisis
      You about it? The Turkish wolf must see the flags, otherwise it will demolish the tower.

      And I was wondering where did I go) Did you take pride for this photo?))) Again Russia) I say to yours by heart it will be necessary to learn the words about the holy leg of a Russian soldier.
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 25 October 2020 16: 17
        +5
        Quote: MTN
        I say yours by heart it will be necessary to learn the words about the holy leg of the Russian soldier.

        Do you think our soldier, getting into such a mess, does not realize his historical mission?

        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 October 2020 17: 16
          0
          And what is the "historical mission" of the RF Armed Forces in this situation?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 17: 58
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            And what is the "historical mission" of the RF Armed Forces in this situation?

            For the Armenians, pull the chestnuts out of the fire. Your minusers are probably hinting at this.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 03
            +2
            Weigh out a sensuous pendal to the side that begins to threaten Russian interests.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 October 2020 21: 09
              -2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Weigh out a sensuous pendal to the side that begins to threaten Russian interests.

              Briefly outline Russian interests and possible threats to them.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 24
                -6
                Well, you ask questions. My name is not Putin or even Lavrov. But they probably are there. Probably.
                1. Megatron
                  Megatron 25 October 2020 22: 02
                  -6
                  If you are such a jingoistic patriot, take a ticket for the next flight to Yerevan and more!
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 22: 23
                    0
                    What kind of game is this? What does urapatriotism and Yerevan have to do with it?
                    1. Megatron
                      Megatron 25 October 2020 23: 00
                      0
                      Fight for the interests of Russia.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 17: 54
          +2
          Quote: BDRM 667
          Do you think our soldier, getting into such a mess, does not realize his historical mission?

          Enough shouting. We do not need any "little victorious war", let them figure it out.
      2. ashot1973
        ashot1973 25 October 2020 20: 59
        -1
        [/ quote] it will be necessary to learn the words about the holy leg of the Russian soldier. [/ quote] -for the Armenians it can, but for the Azeris it will be like - "... about the holy leg of the Turkish soldier" laughing
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 25 October 2020 16: 14
      13
      Quote: genisis
      You about it? The Turkish wolf must see the flags, otherwise it will demolish the tower.

      Armenian radio replies:
      - Will there be a new world war?
      - There will be no war, but there will be such a struggle for peace that there will be no stone unturned.
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    4. icant007
      icant007 27 October 2020 17: 43
      0
      No, I'm talking about the first photo. Two flags are almost side by side. It looks like someone overdid it)
      Quote: genisis
      You about it? The Turkish wolf must see the flags, otherwise it will demolish the tower.
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  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 25 October 2020 15: 58
    11

    Russia is doing everything exactly with the CSTO treaty.
    Armenians in Karabakh ... well, somehow themselves. Even Armenia did not recognize Karabakh.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 October 2020 16: 00
    12
    Yeraz -Russia has deployed troops on the territory of Armenia, a CSTO member country, and not on the territory of Karabakh! These troops are for as a deterrent, so that you do not inadvertently go to the territory of Armenia itself!
  • deniso
    deniso 25 October 2020 16: 30
    +5
    Until the new year, the sides have enough to shoot from .... and where the front stops, there is a border. Some promise to reach Baku, others to Yerevan. Both those and others will not be able to do it
  • Basil50
    Basil50 25 October 2020 16: 32
    12
    The Armenians won the last war only because they showed unparalleled cruelty and ruthlessness both towards the soldiers of Azerbaijan and towards the civilian population. It won't work now. Now Azerbaijanis are ready for war without mercy.
    Azerbaijan also has more weapons and human resources.
    On the side of the Armenians there are only loud screams demanding the * world community * for protection.
    I am very sorry for the dying young guys. But as long as * Dashnaks * rule in Armenia, nothing will change.
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 16: 50
      +3
      Yeah. They shoot a captive old man and a boy, cut off the ears of the corpses of three old men, with the head of an 18-year-old boy cut off, Azerbaijani soldiers travel across the country, and the Armenians show unparalleled cruelty and ruthlessness.
      Well, well
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 25 October 2020 16: 56
        +1
        Sowing the wind, reaping the storm.
      2. MTN
        MTN 25 October 2020 18: 03
        -5
        Quote: genisis
        They shoot a captive old man and a boy

        who had shot at Azerbaijanis before. This is one side of the coin and the other, is there evidence?)

        Quote: genisis
        and the Armenians show unparalleled cruelty and ruthlessness.

        High on your comedy. You also say that you are angels with white feathers)
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 07
          +2
          All the same tryndets you are wild there. In reality, as you have there, the tribal system has remained. With blood feud and other barbarism from which the hair stands on end.
    2. Ganja
      Ganja 25 October 2020 22: 47
      0
      and you know the Armenians won the first war because they sold the Soviet Union and the Azerbaijanis did not even believe in their eyes, including in their tragedy perpetrated by the Armenian terrorist groups under the cover of Moscow, the Armenians not only sold the USSR, they also sold the former times of the same Ottomans , Byzantines, Mithridates, etc., etc. When in 1604 the Sevesid Shah Abbas I was evicting Armenians to the interior regions of Persia, he was asked by his nobles, "O great sovereign, why did your Majesty make such a decision?" To which the Shah replied briefly and clearly, "Can't you see that they are serving the Sultan?" So during these years the Azerbaijanis realized the perfidy of corrupt neighbors and the fraud of the Moscow authorities.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 October 2020 18: 11
    +3
    Quote: Yeraz
    And Russia has already helped Armenia by placing its troops on the border yesterday, thereby freeing large forces of Armenians from this sector and transferring them to other places.
    Also, their small group can attack, and then hide behind the backs of the Russian troops stationed there.

    Where is the Russian-Armenian border on the map? I did not find. request
    1. sevryuk
      sevryuk 25 October 2020 18: 21
      0
      The forester will come and show! soldier
    2. Stock
      Stock 25 October 2020 19: 57
      -1
      Means the military personnel of the Russian base
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 October 2020 22: 17
        0
        Quote: Stock
        Means the military personnel of the Russian base

        Where were they put there? They have always been there. And what is that "border"?
        Quote: Yeraz
        And Russia has already helped Armenia by placing its troops on the border yesterday ...
  • halpat
    halpat 25 October 2020 19: 40
    +2
    In the map given in the article, I liked one thing - the red "wigwam" icon in the area of ​​the Lachin corridor.
    smile
    Well, what the Armenian Chingachgooks are capable of is already clear ...
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 October 2020 15: 38
    17
    They are not up to a large-scale counter strike.
    They will not even be able to redeploy operatively serious forces.
    They will be covered on the march.
    1. Asad
      Asad 25 October 2020 15: 54
      +5
      I agree, so-so opportunity to return territories back!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 October 2020 15: 44
    +5
    Both the Armenians and the Azerbaijanis have no "tongues" on the maps towards Lachin. Where did these troops go. The boiler variant is not being examined, there will be no south wind. And the NKR will not advance through the territory of Azerbaijan, and there are no forces, too big losses .The defense would need to be stabilized. In the mountains, both sides, I don’t want to go!
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 15: 45
    -6
    However, for such a hypothetical operation of the Armenian troops - an operation to take the enemy grouping into a ring (in fact, into a "cauldron"), there are many difficulties.

    What are you? Difficulties? How in the video?
    1. deniso
      deniso 25 October 2020 16: 13
      +2
      It's good to have modern tools, but they tend to run out!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 25 October 2020 16: 57
        +8
        Until Azerbaijanis run out of modern means, Armenians will have nothing left.
    2. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 16: 57
      -3
      Kote, you took Berdzor on the 23rd.
      You churn out these cartoons faster than Hikmet Hajiyev invents new fakes.
      You've been blowing up the same gun from different angles for a week. You shoot at some barns, then write that the headquarters were blown up. Meanwhile, battles in the south are already taking on a slightly different focus.
      You write that you again control the Vardenis-Stepanakert road. The one that you control from 28/09/2020. Have you taken it under control again?
      1. Professor
        Professor 25 October 2020 19: 11
        10
        Quote: genisis
        You've been blowing up the same gun from different angles for a week. You shoot at some barns, then write that the headquarters were blown up. Meanwhile, battles in the south are already taking on a slightly different focus.

        Why deny the obvious? Azerbaijan is in the account and destroys the equipment and manpower of Armenia in huge quantities. You turned out to be completely unprepared for modern war and your diaspora, apart from "concern", did not show itself in any way.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 25 October 2020 19: 51
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Why deny the obvious? Azerbaijan is in the account and destroys the equipment and manpower of Armenia in huge quantities. You turned out to be completely unprepared for modern war and your diaspora, apart from "concern", did not show itself in any way.

          Let's see how Israel will show itself if the "sultan" declares its rights to Jerusalem. But you don't believe that, do you? wink
          1. Professor
            Professor 25 October 2020 20: 51
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: Professor
            Why deny the obvious? Azerbaijan is in the account and destroys the equipment and manpower of Armenia in huge quantities. You turned out to be completely unprepared for modern war and your diaspora, apart from "concern", did not show itself in any way.

            Let's see how Israel will show itself if the "sultan" declares its rights to Jerusalem. But you don't believe that, do you? wink

            Where he sits, he gets off.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 25 October 2020 20: 56
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Where he sits, he gets off.

              The Armenians probably said the same ... request
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 October 2020 20: 59
                +2
                Quote: Tank Hard
                Quote: Professor
                Where he sits, he gets off.

                The Armenians probably said the same ... request

                Israel is not Armrnia. Can kick in the teeth.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Israel is not Armrnia. Can kick in the teeth.

                  It is quite possible that time will tell.
                2. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 25 October 2020 22: 40
                  +2
                  Professor "Israel is not Armrnia. It can kick in the teeth."
                  And who did he beat in the teeth in his history - the Arabs?))))
        2. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 20: 00
          -1
          Professor, Azerbaijan is losing people and equipment in the same huge quantities.
          Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 25 October 2020 20: 15
            -1
            Quote: genisis
            Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.

            Nothing, everyone will be according to his deeds.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 October 2020 21: 05
              +1
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: genisis
              Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.

              Nothing, everyone will be according to his deeds.

              That's for sure. The country of Judenfriy pays the bills for kisses on the gums with ayatols.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 08
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                The country of Judenfriy pays the bills for kisses on the gums with ayatols.

                I'm not talking about that, but here everyone has their own priorities. wink
                1. Professor
                  Professor 25 October 2020 21: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Quote: Professor
                  The country of Judenfriy pays the bills for kisses on the gums with ayatols.

                  I'm not talking about that, but here everyone has their own priorities. wink

                  It's true. The priority of the Armenian diaspora in the world is personal enrichment. Simonyam and Kaosyan did not volunteer to go to Karabakh. Martirosyan, a graduate of the Yerevan Medical Institute, is not an orderly at the front line. How were you going to win?
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    It's true. The priority of the Armenian diaspora in the world is personal enrichment. Simonyam and Kaosyan did not volunteer for Karabakh. Martirosyan, a graduate of the Yerevan Medical Institute, is not an orderly at the front line.

                    I completely agree, moreover, they amuse friends whose actions are reduced to recalling the ambassador. wink
                    Quote: Professor
                    How were you going to win?

                    I am not a party to the conflict, I am storing popcorn. wink
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 25 October 2020 21: 17
                      +3
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quote: Professor
                      It's true. The priority of the Armenian diaspora in the world is personal enrichment. Simonyam and Kaosyan did not volunteer for Karabakh. Martirosyan, a graduate of the Yerevan Medical Institute, is not an orderly at the front line.

                      I completely agree, moreover, they amuse friends whose actions are reduced to recalling the ambassador. wink
                      Quote: Professor
                      How were you going to win?

                      I am not a party to the conflict, I am storing popcorn. wink

                      You oppress Armenia. I myself was born in Azerbaijan and raised in Armenia. I support Israel in the conflict.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: Professor
                        You oppress Armenia.

                        No, I do not like the "sultan", maybe soon you will understand on your own skin why, or maybe not, time will tell. I always knew that you were not very "quick-witted". laughing
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 25 October 2020 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Professor
                        You oppress Armenia.

                        No, I do not like the "sultan", maybe soon you will understand on your own skin why, or maybe not, time will tell. I always knew that you were not very "quick-witted". laughing

                        I myself am disgusted with this dictator, but this has nothing to do with the conflict in Krabakh. He will get his.
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        I myself am disgusted with this dictator, but this has nothing to do with the conflict in Krabakh.

                        From your words, I already understood that Armenia is being punished for the absence of a synagogue. Cool ... laughing
                        Quote: Professor
                        He will get his.

                        The main thing here is not to waste time. At one time, Schicklgruber was not taken seriously. However, you are the smartest there, where can we give advice. repeat
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 26 October 2020 10: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        From your words, I already understood that Armenia is being punished for the absence of a synagogue. Cool ...

                        Armenia is punishing itself for Judenfrey. Nothing fancy.

                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        The main thing here is not to waste time. At one time, Schicklgruber was not taken seriously. However, you are the smartest there, where can we give advice.

                        Are you already stopping him with a weapon in your hands or are you knocking on the keyboard? So what's the problem? Forward to fight the sultan.
                      5. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 26 October 2020 11: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Are you already stopping him with a weapon in your hands or are you knocking on the keyboard?

                        To the best of my ability, to the best of my ability, I do not rest in Turkey, for example (however, as in Israel, and in other similar places)
                        Quote: Professor
                        Armenia punishes itself for Judenfrey

                        Your eq is on fire, cool it down, drink some water, all of you do not decide anything ... request
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 25 October 2020 21: 34
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                You oppress Armenia. I myself was born in Azerbaijan and raised in Armenia. I support Israel in the conflict.

                "The unbreakable union of the free republics ..."
                Oleg, hi
                I did not expect anything else ...
              3. Professor
                Professor 26 October 2020 10: 24
                +2
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Quote: Professor
                You oppress Armenia. I myself was born in Azerbaijan and raised in Armenia. I support Israel in the conflict.

                "The unbreakable union of the free republics ..."
                Oleg, hi
                I did not expect anything else ...

                This is the lot of the families of officers.
  • Professor
    Professor 25 October 2020 21: 07
    +3
    Quote: genisis
    Professor, Azerbaijan is losing people and equipment in the same huge quantities.
    Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.

    Who forbade you to buy weapons from Israel? Who forbade the embassy to open? Who forbade the synagogue to be opened?
    Azerbaijan suffers less losses and not at all because of their heroism, but only because of better preparedness.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 23
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Who forbade you to buy weapons from Israel? Who forbade the embassy to open? Who forbade the synagogue to be opened?

      Read everything that Armenia is punished for. wink
    2. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 21: 27
      0
      Who forbade the synagogue to open

      Professor, do you go with trump cards right away? ))))
      Thank you, we ourselves somehow.
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 October 2020 10: 27
        +4
        Quote: genisis
        Who forbade the synagogue to open

        Professor, do you go with trump cards right away? ))))
        Thank you, we ourselves somehow.

        You yourself do not. Even on the border with Azerbaijan, the Russian military is guarding you.
        1. genisis
          genisis 26 October 2020 11: 10
          +3
          We started building a synagogue there, according to your advice, and that's what they are guarding.
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 October 2020 12: 05
            +2
            You cannot build synagogues or mosques due to the lack of parishioners, CEP. For the first, they never happened, and for the second, you organized ethnic cleansing. There are 100 Armenians in Turkey, and there are no Muslims in Armenia. The curtain.
            1. genisis
              genisis 26 October 2020 12: 48
              +1
              CEP, you haven't been to Yerevan for a long time.
              Everything is different there.
              Mesrop Mashtots Avenue 12 - Blue Mosque. A stunningly beautiful place.
              st. Nar-Dosa 59/1 - Yerevan synagogue.
              Come, choose what suits you best))
              1. Professor
                Professor 26 October 2020 13: 44
                +3
                Quote: genisis
                CEP, you haven't been to Yerevan for a long time.
                Everything is different there.
                Mesrop Mashtots Avenue 12 - Blue Mosque. A stunningly beautiful place.
                st. Nar-Dosa 59/1 - Yerevan synagogue.
                Come, choose what suits you best))

                Was 10 years ago. Nothing is different there. They try to call the house of prayer a synagogue. And all this is a new building. There are not even the ruins of a synagogue or the remains of Jewish cemeteries there. The only country in the region and practically in all of Eurasia where Jews were not sheltered.
                Today the ethnic composition of Armenia is ... Armenians. However, even under the USSR the Armenians were 98% of the population. The only mono-national republic. The number of Muslims today (mostly Persians) is only a few thousand.

                And now the funniest part. In 2001, according to the census, there were 109 Jews. One hundred and nine Jews. These are not even the citizens of Armenia, but the Jews living in that period on the territory of Armenia. That is, including the families of Russian servicemen. Judenfrey. request

                The memorial to the victims of the Holocaust in Yerevan, built by the Jewish community of Armenia and Armenian diasporas from different countries, has been repeatedly desecrated since its establishment in 1999. Does it interfere?

                In 2009, 120 Armenians lived in Azerbaijan. That is, there is not a single one in Armenia, but in Azerbaijan 000. How is that? At least 120 Armenians live in Turkey, and not a single Turk in Armenia. Not knowing the history of the Armenians, I would ask you questions about the genocide that are not pleasant to you. By the way, the Azeri Armenians are fighting on whose side? A rhetorical question.
                http://www.cisstat.com/census/national_composition%20of%20population.pdf
              2. genisis
                genisis 26 October 2020 14: 14
                0
                In 2009, 120 Armenians lived in Azerbaijan.

                Yeah. Therefore, citizens of the Russian Federation with Armenian surnames are denied entry to Azerbaijan with the wording "for your safety." )))
              3. Professor
                Professor 26 October 2020 15: 50
                +3
                Quote: genisis
                In 2009, 120 Armenians lived in Azerbaijan.

                Yeah. Therefore, citizens of the Russian Federation with Armenian surnames are denied entry to Azerbaijan with the wording "for your safety." )))

                120 Armenians live in Azerbaijan and are citizens of Azerbaijan. It is a fact.
                At least 50 Armenians live in Turkey and are Turkish citizens. It is a fact.
                In 2009, 109 (one hundred and nine) Jews lived on the territory of Armenia. It is a fact.
                Argue with these facts.

                PS
                More than 25 Armenians live in Israel. Most of them moved to Israel from independent Armenia after the collapse of the USSR.
              4. genisis
                genisis 26 October 2020 16: 41
                -3
                If you propose to argue with your statement about 120000 Armenians living in Azerbaijan, calling your statement "fact", then it is difficult for me to do this. Because this is not a fact, but a fake.
                And here is this fact. And you can argue with Bul-Bul about him with pleasure.
              5. Professor
                Professor 26 October 2020 17: 06
                +2
                Quote: genisis
                If you propose to argue with your statement about 120000 Armenians living in Azerbaijan, calling your statement "fact", then it is difficult for me to do this. Because this is not a fact, but a fake.

                The link to the census is in my previous comment. I can post a link in Turkey.

                Quote: genisis
                And here is this fact. And you can argue with Bul-Bul about him with pleasure.

                Israel is denying entry to thousands of Ukrainians, Georgians and Russians. This is his sovereign right. Azerbaijan's right to admit or not admit Armenians. Nevertheless
                120 Armenians live in Azerbaijan and are citizens of Azerbaijan. It is a fact.
                At least 50 Armenians live in Turkey and are Turkish citizens. It is a fact.
                In 2009, 109 (one hundred and nine) Jews lived on the territory of Armenia. It is a fact.
                More than 25 Armenians live in Israel. It is a fact.
              6. genisis
                genisis 26 October 2020 17: 31
                +1
                Completeness, professor. It is necessary not only to read, but also to delve into.
                Here's a fact for you: “What did the 1999 census show? It turns out that 120,7 Armenians now live in Azerbaijan! However, a careful study of the statistical data of the census by region shows that it is practically about the Armenians living in Nagorno-Karabakh. But this figure is given roughly and is clearly overestimated. Even according to Armenian data, today from 60 to 100 thousand Armenians live in Nagorno-Karabakh. The tragicomism of the census data on Armenians is that, on the one hand, it is indicated that 35,5 or 29,4% of Armenians are children under the age of 14, on the other hand, it is immediately noted that the average age of Armenians in the republic is 57 years! In fact, the census affected only those Armenians who lived outside the occupied territory, and these are really elderly people today, members of mixed families. And then, if we bear in mind the information about the Armenians living outside Nagorno-Karabakh and the occupied territories, then it turns out that today there are only 645 Armenians in the republic. (36 men and 609 women), more than half of whom (378 people or 59% of Armenians in Azerbaijan) live in Baku, and the rest in rural areas. Although in reality, the actual number of Armenians outside Nagorno-Karabakh should be slightly higher, within 2-3 thousand, since many changed their names and did not get into the census materials. "
              7. Professor
                Professor 26 October 2020 19: 58
                +3
                Quote: genisis
                Completeness, professor. It is necessary not only to read, but also to delve into.

                How about the Turkish Armenians? wink
              8. genisis
                genisis 27 October 2020 23: 17
                0
                How about the Turkish Armenians?

                120000 Jews live in Germany.
                How many Germans live in Israel?
                Somehow hi
              9. Professor
                Professor 28 October 2020 07: 43
                +1
                Quote: genisis
                How about the Turkish Armenians?

                120000 Jews live in Germany.
                How many Germans live in Israel?
                Somehow hi

                The Germans repented for the Holocaust, the Turks did not for the genocide. We have no complaints against the German government, you have against the Turkish government. Christian Germans live in Israel. In particular, in Beit El and Givat Shaul. Something like this.
                So what about the Turkish Armenians?
              10. genisis
                genisis 28 October 2020 14: 46
                0
                Germany may have repented for its atrocities, but the German people do not repent of anything. A clear confirmation of this is the many years of scandals involving special forces and police, among whom there are a hell of a lot of fans of the legacy of the Third Reich. I am sure the Jews themselves are well aware of this.
                How many Germans in that Givat Shaul have you counted? A dozen will be?
                I don't know what to do with the 50000 Armenians who live in Turkey, as you say.
                In fact, I won't be surprised if there are more Armenians in Turkey's 80 million, because there are also crypto-Armenians and Khamshils. I don't know why they live in Turkey. Maybe because they have nowhere to go, maybe they cannot leave because of illness, or maybe someone just likes to live there.
                I myself have not been to Turkey and will not go. At least until the situation is the same.
                If you want to say that Turkey or Azerbaijan is a heavenly place for Armenians, then I can offer you an experiment.
                Fly to Turkey, to any of its cities, and simply indicate politely and calmly in a hotel, restaurant, shop that you are "Ermeni".
                I think the injuries, God forbid, compatible with life, which they inflict on you, will explain to you better than my words that this is not so.
              11. Professor
                Professor 28 October 2020 21: 15
                +2
                Quote: genisis
                Germany may have repented for its atrocities, but the German people do not repent of anything. A clear confirmation of this is the many years of scandals involving special forces and police, among whom there are a hell of a lot of fans of the legacy of the Third Reich. I am sure the Jews themselves are well aware of this.

                In vain we are sure. I lived in Germany and I can say with confidence that the only people who made conclusions are the Germans.

                Quote: genisis
                How many Germans in that Givat Shaul have you counted? A dozen will be?

                There are definitely a couple of thousand. Personally, I know a couple dozen.

                Quote: genisis
                In fact, I won't be surprised if there are more Armenians in Turkey's 80 million, because there are also crypto-Armenians and Khamshils. I don't know why they live in Turkey. Maybe because they have nowhere to go, maybe they cannot leave because of illness, or maybe someone just likes to live there.

                I know. They just live better there. I remember at one time I worked with a family of Iranian Armenians in Leninakan. They returned to Iran anyway. They specifically did not like the Soviet government. Most of my class lives in Russia and only one is now fighting for Armenia. The rest do not express such a desire.

                Simonyan and her husband love money more than Armenia. In your diaspora, these are the majority. Unfortunately.

                Quote: genisis
                I myself have not been to Turkey and will not go. At least until the situation is the same.
                If you want to say that Turkey or Azerbaijan is a heavenly place for Armenians, then I can offer you an experiment.
                Fly to Turkey, to any of its cities, and simply indicate politely and calmly in a hotel, restaurant, shop that you are "Ermeni".
                I think the injuries, God forbid, compatible with life, which they inflict on you, will explain to you better than my words that this is not so.

                I was in Turkey once and did not hide the fact that I am a Jew and an Israeli. There were no problems. Today, under Erdogan, the situation is somewhat different, but he is temporary, and the Turkish people are forever. And those Armenians who live in Turkey have no problems.
              12. genisis
                genisis 29 October 2020 00: 48
                +1
                In vain sure

                Are you Jewish. Accordingly, you communicated not at all with those Germans who crave revenge. And those with whom you talked will change their shoes quickly, as their grandparents changed their shoes in the distant 30s of the 20th century.
                They just live better there

                They just have nothing to compare with. Professor, you don't need to tell me how the Turks love Armenians. I have no illusions about this. I would like to note that I also have no illusions regarding Armenians.
                As for Simonyan, the Armenian diaspora in general, you speak arrogantly, reducing everything to money. Believe me, you don't know a quarter about the affairs of Armenians around the world, working for the interests of Armenia right now. Professor, Armenians are truly ancient people who have seen the rise and fall of so many Empires that they may not remember all of them and managed to survive on this path when many have sunk into oblivion. Believe me, this next battle with History will not be lost by the Armenians either. As the saying of the peoples of South America says, “They wanted to bury us. They didn't know we were seeds. "
                Let us no longer raise the issue of relations between Armenians and Turks in our dialogue. You see, for you, as well as for the huge number of people who talk about the pogroms of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire under Abdul Hamid, under the Young Turks after him, these are just some historical events that you can discuss, proving or refuting.
                For me, as for many Armenians, this is a deeply personal, family and tragic story that we do not discuss with outsiders. But we cannot forget about it. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. Too many innocent souls still cannot find comfort in our memory, for none of their murderers has repented so far.
                It would never occur to me to dispute the tragedy of Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis, or Poles who died at the hands of Ukrainians in the events in Volyn with representatives of this nationality, because this is not fair towards them.
              13. Professor
                Professor 29 October 2020 08: 22
                +1
                1. I communicated not only with the "correct" Germans and came to the conclusion that the German people were the only people who made conclusions.
                2. The fact is that the Armenians of Turkey can freely buy tickets or even go to Armenia for permanent residence in their own car, but they do not. By the way, why don't you live in Armenia yourself? Why not at the front?
                3. Believe me, I know both Armenians and Armenia very well. I grew up there. I do not speak Armenian any more - there is no practice, but at the everyday level I still understand. I know very well that the power and influence of the Armenian diaspora has been exaggerated many times over. Moreover, I can compare the Armenian diaspora with the Jewish one.
                4. The Armenians are an ancient people and there is no dispute with this, but about "we will survive all" you are wrong. My classmates and friends, Armenians living in the Russian Federation, got married and married Armenians. Plus to your piggy bank. However, NONE of the children tied the knot with the Armenians. EVERYONE married Russians. Their grandchildren will finally assimilate. This is a minus to you.
                5. The topic of the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire is not a taboo, like the topic of Shoah. Moreover, I do not deny or dispute the genocide.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 18
    -1
    Quote: genisis
    Professor

    Quote: genisis
    what is Israel in the score

    By the way, if you read our dialogue with the Professor, he clearly says what Armenia is punished for. wink
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 21: 39
      +5
      Yes, for the fact that the Judenfrai country (read Armenia) kissed the gums with the Ayatols (Iran).
      And when the almighty Jews learned that the Armenians had not built a synagogue, they let Azerbaijan loose.
      And in the morning I don’t understand why my tap ran out of water? )))
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 25 October 2020 21: 43
        +1
        Quote: genisis
        Yes, for the fact that the Judenfrai country (read Armenia) kissed the gums with the Ayatols (Iran).
        And when the almighty Jews learned that the Armenians had not built a synagogue, they let Azerbaijan loose.

        In fact, these are very revealing dialogues in this thread. You can learn a lot of interesting things. They talk a lot of different things in their hearts, without intent and by design. The main thing is to draw the right conclusions. But, as life shows, not everyone is capable of this. request
        1. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 22: 32
          +2
          Well, the Persians immediately noticed that "if a cat has made friends with a dog, it is nothing but an alliance against the cook."
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 25 October 2020 23: 55
    -1
    Quote: genisis
    Professor, Azerbaijan is losing people and equipment in the same huge quantities.
    Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.

    Are you quoting the Yerevan Aravot again?)) Are you tired of Genesis Jan?)
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 October 2020 10: 27
      +3
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Quote: genisis
      Professor, Azerbaijan is losing people and equipment in the same huge quantities.
      Therefore, the only thing that can be argued objectively is that Israel is leading the score. It is his account that is growing, regardless of whether the Azerbaijanis are advancing or retreating.

      Are you quoting the Yerevan Aravot again?)) Are you tired of Genesis Jan?)

      No, akhper jan, I'm not tired.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 17: 01
    -8
    UAV today
    In the course of successful hostilities on October 25, 2 enemy artillery units, 2 BM-21 Grad, 1 staff vehicle, 1 control point, 2 trucks, 1 tank and several firing points were destroyed.
    https://minval.az/news/124048402
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 17: 07
      +4
      2 enemy artillery units

      Are artillery units artillery regiments? Or divisions?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 17: 18
        -8
        But still you have seen and understood; that is enough.
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 19: 07
        -1
        Info for you.
        “Over the past day, our troops have somewhat expanded the zone of the territories liberated from the occupation.” This was announced on October 25, Sunday at a briefing by the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense Anar Eyvazov.

        A. Eyvazov noted that the enemy is running out of ammunition: “Currently, our units are in control of the combat situation. Our air force is targeting the enemy's military infrastructure. Our troops crush the enemy from the air and on land "
        .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...
        During the counter-offensive operation of the Azerbaijani army in the occupied Karabakh, terrorist Vahagn Chakhalyan was killed.
        ................................................... ................................................... ................................................... ..
        Battles with units of the Azerbaijani army are going on in the Chanakhchi village of the Askeran region of Nagorno-Karabakh. As reported by Azeri Daily, this statement was made by the press secretary of the leader of the Karabakh separatists Vahram Poghosyan.

        Let us recall that the Azerbaijani side also confirmed the advancement of the armed forces deep into the mountainous part of Karabakh.
        .................................. .................................. .................................. ................
        Unsuccessful attempt to counterattack the Armenian army in Gubadly https://haqqin.az/news/192413
        1. Stock
          Stock 25 October 2020 19: 43
          -2
          Isn't that a mistake about Chanakhchi? Too deep behind Armenian lines
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 19: 51
            +1
            No, not a mistake. Through the deserted mountains we got there, from the south most likely
        2. ashot1973
          ashot1973 25 October 2020 22: 23
          -3
          This was announced on October 25, Sunday at a briefing by the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense Anar Eyvazov.

          On fi ..., my info is Anar, if Gay-dar's son Ilham has long announced the "capture" of Martakert, Gadrut, Gubadly, Zangilan, Madagis, Jabrail, Lachin, etc. laughing
          The situation is as follows on the NKR theater

          The offensive of the Az Armed Forces on the weight of the front perimeter practically does not exist, only rocket artillery firefights between the sides are being conducted. B / t and aviation of AF Az does not operate with such intensity as from the very beginning of the escalation of the conflict. Baku (Ankara) has changed its tactics
          the main active forces are artillery and sabotage groups (some groups are disguised as the NKR AO Armed Forces).
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 22: 32
            +1
            Don't be fooled, others won't work out anyway.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 12
        +1
        Judging by the pathos on both sides, at least the army.
    2. Professor
      Professor 25 October 2020 19: 08
      -2
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      UAV today
      In the course of successful hostilities on October 25, 2 enemy artillery units, 2 BM-21 Grad, 1 staff vehicle, 1 control point, 2 trucks, 1 tank and several firing points were destroyed.
      https://minval.az/news/124048402

      This video demonstrates the worthlessness of the MLRS. "By squares" is the beginning to the middle of the 20th century.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 25 October 2020 21: 14
        +1
        You probably have to be a professor to see this there. I am not a professor and apart from the handshake of individual persons of the individual parties to the conflict, I do not see anything like that there.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 18: 46
    +1
    Battles with units of the Azerbaijani army are going on in the Chanakhchi village of the Askeran region of Nagorno-Karabakh. As reported by Azeri Daily, this statement was made by the press secretary of the leader of the Karabakh separatists Vahram Poghosyan.

    Let us recall that the Azerbaijani side also confirmed the advancement of the armed forces deep into the mountainous part of Karabakh.
    .................................................. .................................................. .....................
    If everything is so, then the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan got there from the direction of Hadrut, through large and green mountains, in the direction of Bine-green mountains-Canagci
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 25 October 2020 15: 45
    +7
    And they have something else left than could be "zeroed"?
    1. Well done
      Well done 25 October 2020 16: 03
      +5
      It remains only to throw fresh "firewood". Patriotic ... And more nifiga. Pashinyan will play out, they will bang him.
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 October 2020 15: 46
    +5
    People are dying, and this is the most important thing. The blood is washed off only with blood until it ends on both sides !!!!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 October 2020 15: 48
    +5
    On paper, as a rule, everything works out smoothly, it will endure everything. But in reality, how?
  • Pechkin
    Pechkin 25 October 2020 15: 54
    10
    If my grandmother had ..., she would be a grandfather. The author seriously thinks that Armenia will be able to quietly gather large forces in order to cut off the Azerbaijani troops from its border. And also keep this blockade.
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 16: 59
      -4
      Fortunately, the General Staff does not read VO.
      People do not have time.
      They are at war, you know ...
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 25 October 2020 17: 15
        +7
        I understand you about the General Staff in Armenia. I understand the people are busy. But there are questions about what they were doing before the start of the war, how they were preparing for defense against an enemy superior in strength and technology, how they were preparing to fight different types of drones or they did not know what they had. It may be worth reading something for them, with all due respect.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 October 2020 15: 56
    +1
    "What can help us? Only a miracle can help us!" To paraphrase the movie "Operation Y" !!! Only now I'm not sure that a miracle will save the Armenians, unless the Chinese will suddenly sell an urgent batch of shock drones! No other "miracle" will shine for them!
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 25 October 2020 16: 04
      +8
      A miracle will happen if Pashinyan forces the diaspora to fork out for a large batch of attack drones, for hiring operators of these very drones and for anti-drone weapons.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 25 October 2020 16: 59
        +6
        Even if we assume that he will succeed (but he will not succeed), then all these procedures will take time. While purchases will be made, while they will be delivered, while they will be put into operation, while they will start making their first flights. In general, during this time, the Azerbaijani army will occupy the entire Karabakh. lol
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 25 October 2020 17: 30
          +9
          I read the comments, I catch myself not thinking that I don't care. request
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 25 October 2020 15: 59
    0
    All these attempts at improvised "cauldrons" will not bring to good. Moreover, the Iranians are against shooting in their direction.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 October 2020 16: 00
    +5
    "Theoretically, from a military point of view, the Armenian side could" zero "all the recent successes of the Azerbaijani troops in only one way. This is the concentration of relatively large forces in the Martuni area with an attempt to counter-attack Horadiz. a front section with a width of at least 20-25 km (on the map the direction is marked with a red arrow) ". In this case, they would have been covered with artillery crossfire and then the aviation would have been connected.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 October 2020 16: 00
    -11 qualifying.
    if Yerevan really intends to maintain control over Karabakh.
    yes But this is really questionable. Does Nagorno-Karabakh need Armenia itself. Or is it an anchor that keeps Armenia with Pashinyan at the head of the "net" future integration with the "free peoples of Europe" wassat
    The best option, in my opinion, is this: Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia. Azerbaijanis in their area around NPOs. Ban on citizens of Armenia for dual citizenship in the Russian Federation. And corridors to Nakhichevan for Azerbaijanis. And Russians in Nagorno-Karabakh following the example of West Berlin. All this will be honest. And everyone will be happy. There are other options please. Moreover, Nagorno-Karabakh, at its own request, entered the Russian Empire as an independent subject.
    The transfer of the Russian military base from Gyumri to Stepanakert. And let the Armenians in Armenia deal with the Turks themselves, and then the Georgians.
    1. MTN
      MTN 25 October 2020 16: 07
      -2
      Quote: Observer2014
      The best option in my opinion is this.

      Armenians have already determined themselves in Armenia. How many times will they self-identify? Look what they did in the occupied territories, the pigs in the mosques, everything is lacking, everything is too terrible.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 25 October 2020 16: 24
        +2
        Quote: MTN
        Quote: Observer2014
        The best option in my opinion is this.

        Armenians have already determined themselves in Armenia. How many times will they self-identify? Look what they did in the occupied territories, the pigs in the mosques, everything is lacking, everything is too terrible.

        Yes, I understand you perfectly well. And who are the Armenians from Armenia I understand. And I see it every day. But the problem is time to solve. Again ethnic cleansing in Karabakh itself? Now on the other hand. Why. Everyone wants to live. War until the last Armenian or Azeri? ” You are an adult, and you have seen it perfectly. I have printed a clear plan as I see it personally. If there are any objections on the merits. Speak up. Well, except for everyone, you need to kill because they are so different. Emotions are understandable over the edge. The people in these parts are hot, understandably. And very often they do it first.
        1. MTN
          MTN 25 October 2020 16: 32
          -1
          Quote: Observer2014
          I printed a clear plan

          Let me also leave my penny. The fact that the Russian troops stood at the border, I understand perfectly. It means who is DAD. This is a slap in the face for the Armenians, but another thing is hidden behind this act. This is a signal to Pashinyan. He will behave badly, they will stand alone at the border. This is a signal to the Armenians.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 25 October 2020 16: 36
            +1
            Quote: MTN
            Quote: Observer2014
            I printed a clear plan

            Let me also leave my penny. The fact that the Russian troops stood at the border, I understand perfectly. It means who is DAD. This is a slap in the face for the Armenians, but another thing is hidden behind this act. This is a signal to Pashinyan. He will behave badly, they will stand alone at the border. This is a signal to the Armenians.

            yes And this too, as well as to warn from the advancing side against unnecessary problems for them. Well, how else. Politics and military affairs are interconnected like no one else. I have always said and say about this. If they don’t understand the hints. You have to explain by military force. You also need to know how to use it. And not wave a saber madly.
            1. MTN
              MTN 25 October 2020 16: 47
              -1
              Quote: Observer2014
              And this too, as well as to warn from the advancing side against unnecessary problems for them. Well, how else. Politics and military affairs are interconnected like no one else. I have always said and say about this. If they don’t understand the hints. You have to explain by military force. You also need to know how to use it. And not wave a saber madly.

              Interestingly, after the slap in the face from Azerbaijan, Pashinyan will again continue his pro-Western policy? Or will we have to remove Russian border guards from the south too?)))
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 25 October 2020 16: 53
                -3
                Quote: MTN
                Quote: Observer2014
                And this too, as well as to warn from the advancing side against unnecessary problems for them. Well, how else. Politics and military affairs are interconnected like no one else. I have always said and say about this. If they don’t understand the hints. You have to explain by military force. You also need to know how to use it. And not wave a saber madly.

                Interestingly, after the slap in the face from Azerbaijan, Pashinyan will again continue his pro-Western policy? Or will we have to remove Russian border guards from the south too?)))

                He will continue. Not only that, he has a win-win. Well, judge for yourself. Karabakh will stand. In pluses. They will not stand, they will start yelling why we need these Russians. And all that. Everyone understood this at once. But as soon as ours leave. crying And where will these diasporas be? Armenians generally risk becoming Jews of the time of Moses.
                I will repeat. Think about my version of the solution to this crisis .. I just voiced everything there in three sentences.
                .
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 25 October 2020 20: 31
                0
                Of course it will continue ... You solve problems with the "Karabakh clan" for him
                Sincerely
        2. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 25 October 2020 18: 30
          +1
          "The people in these parts are hot, understandably. And very often they do it first. Then they think." It will most likely be appropriate here (spinal reflexes prevail over head reflexes)
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    3. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 25 October 2020 17: 23
      +1
      So even Stalin did not mix the borders.
      And also check on the creedor:
      And Russians to Nagorno-Karabakh Following the example of West Berlin
      a land corridor through Georgia and Armenia, or through Azerbaijan?
      Well, right now it is bombing laughing
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 25 October 2020 17: 44
        0
        Quote: Nasdaq
        So even Stalin did not mix the borders.
        And also check on the creedor:
        And Russians to Nagorno-Karabakh Following the example of West Berlin
        a land corridor through Georgia and Armenia, or through Azerbaijan?
        Well, right now it is bombing laughing

        Only and precisely through Azerbaijan. yesDo you have something to really object? Or will you continue to be a clone of your main nickname? bullyWe are leaving Armenia and Georgia alone. They wanted this, let them have fun. Turkey will help them. lolKarabakh Armenians are not Armenians from the main "office". Personally, I understand them yes
        1. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 25 October 2020 18: 16
          +4
          I did not quite understand about the nickname. If you think that this is the second account of the Azerbaijani with whom you bite, then you are mistaken.
          But I noticed one thing: I try to be objective, but I am accused of drowning for Armenians, now what for Azerbaijanis.
        2. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 25 October 2020 18: 18
          +2
          By the way, it was not you who bombed, but the representative of the country through which you would offer the corridor.
        3. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 25 October 2020 20: 39
          -3
          And the option is not so bad and not real)
          But we are not implemented by the current thieves' elite in the era of ef
        4. border
          border 26 October 2020 17: 26
          0
          NOBODY will give the established borders to anyone. Otherwise, new conflicts that will constantly burn.
  • Operator
    Operator 25 October 2020 16: 22
    -6
    Armenians need to encircle the strike group of Azerbaijanis - while the weather is unfavorable for UAVs and BBs. And to hammer those surrounded with MLRS along the border with Iran - so that there are fewer flights across the border.

    In any case, the Persians will sit on the priest exactly - they really do not like the Turks.
    1. saigon
      saigon 25 October 2020 19: 04
      +1
      Persians and Armenians are not very fond of.
      Why do they love their neighbors?
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 October 2020 16: 29
    +4
    Theoretically, from a military point of view, the Armenian side could "zero" all the recent successes of the Azerbaijani troops in only one way. This is a concentration of relatively large forces in the Martuni area with an attempted counteroffensive against Horadiz.
    Apparently, there is no one to concentrate there. Here it would be to hold the front, and not think about the offensive. Moreover, near Hadrut, that near Zangelan, the Armenian strikes failed deafeningly. There is nothing to tread
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 October 2020 16: 31
    +3
    A strike on the flank, on the stretched communications, is a classic. The artillery of the one who was cut off quickly runs out of ammunition. Well, the troops consume a lot of resources. Fuel, ammunition, food ...
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 25 October 2020 16: 58
      +1
      I agree with you the classic, but also the blockade ring will break through from both sides. You must gather a fist for attack and blockade, cover it from air strikes, conduct counter-battery combat or suppress enemy artillery with the help of aviation. The army will now be able to do this. And if just throw people for a breakthrough, then they themselves may end up in the cauldron and even more videos from the Azerbaijani side will appear.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 25 October 2020 17: 37
      +4
      Well, the troops consume a lot of resources. Fuel, ammunition, food ...

      Not that word. And if you take into account in which boxes (volumetric half-empty) ammunition is carried, there are supply columns, be healthy. CARAVANS.
      If there is no possibility for the boiler, then at least mine (Tornado can mine remotely).
      We must hit on the weak points. Columns are the weak link in this chain.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 October 2020 16: 36
    +3
    Strike a cutting blow along the Azerbaijani border? Brilliant! fellow
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 25 October 2020 16: 57
    -11 qualifying.
    Having wrested Karabakh, Azerbaijan will not stop, because in their understanding, the whole of Armenia is the occupied lands of Azerbaijan.
    But they don't understand that Turkey is occupying them.
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 25 October 2020 18: 07
      +4
      Where do you get this from? Azerbaijan will be satisfied with the demilitarization of Karabakh and the introduction of peacekeepers there. Nobody is going to carry out ethnic cleansing. Fiizuli and Zangelan are significantly more valuable from an economic point of view than Karabakh
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 October 2020 17: 11
    +1
    The Armenians have to hold out for a month or a month and a half, when it will snow and frost in the mountains - 10 and the whole war will end by itself. But then the bargaining will begin - who owes whom, when and how much.
    1. Stock
      Stock 25 October 2020 17: 30
      +1
      And doesn't spring come after winter? Or do you think they will be able to make new fortifications in the mountains during the winter; mine everything, shoot it, bring in new weapons, train specialists? I have vague doubts
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 October 2020 17: 39
        +2
        And you try to sit in the mountains))) snow, ice, frost - 15 - 20, piercing wind. For a person who is used to living at + temperatures - this is a little too much. Plus the Armenian DRGs, the Armenians are local - they don't need cards, they already know everything. Plus shelling, etc. I can put on such plus signs "a carriage and a small cart". Have you ever tried to dismantle and assemble a "Ural" wheel in -15 and strong winds? How about pulling a tank track? This means that in the spring it will be necessary to start with almost "0", but the Armenians will not sit idly by either.
        1. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 25 October 2020 18: 37
          +2
          That is why there is no need to count on a truce.
          I won't say about a Ural wheel or a tank goose, but I changed the wheel for a spare wheel in the fall at night in the mountains. There was a strong wind. In 5 minutes I cursed everything.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 25 October 2020 18: 48
            +1
            So otozh. And so that you are not bored, I will throw you one more information for thought. Khudaferin hydroelectric power station. The northern side of the dam and technical structures are located on the northern shore (Azerbaijan). While these territories were controlled by the Armenians, there was an unspoken agreement - the Armenians receive electricity, but the perimeter is 10 km. guards the IRGC. I'm wondering if the Persians still control the perimeter, or have they gone? If so, on what conditions? If Tehran and Baku do not agree, then Iran will have to create 20 km. security zone (just to the southern edge of the NKAO),
            to protect Iranian civilians from terrorist attacks by Azerbaijani-Turkish thugs.
            1. Stock
              Stock 25 October 2020 19: 52
              +1
              The agreement on the construction of the hydroelectric power station was signed on February 23, 2016 during the official visit of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev to Iran. Then the agreement is ratified in the parliament on June 14, and finally, on June 16, it is approved by the decree of the President of Azerbaijan. The Iranian parliament ratified the agreement in December of the same year. The official parties carried out procedures in a closed-door shutdown, without public discussion.

              The project includes a reservoir on the Araz River, dams and hydroelectric power stations "Khudaferin" and "Giz Galasy". The project covers the border areas of Iran and Azerbaijan and is a subject of mutual use. The Azerbaijani part has been under Armenian occupation since 1993.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 25 October 2020 20: 04
                +2
                The agreement was signed when the hydroelectric power station was already functioning. In the late 90s, when Iran tried to reach an agreement, Baku refused. The contract is secret, that only those who signed it know there. In 2016, Azerbaijan gave what did not belong to it, and now the opposite is true.
    2. saigon
      saigon 25 October 2020 19: 07
      +2
      There will be a lot of snow not completely passable, but it rains.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 October 2020 19: 45
        +2
        Just for the sake of curiosity, I looked at the "climate of Karabakh". In the mountains in winter until - 23 and strong wind, ice. On ice on a tank (BMP) on a mountain road, next to a cliff 50 m. - a fascinating lesson. Not to mention mines, Armenian snipers and anti-tank systems. Shot range 4 km. - quite enough to shoot from the opposite side of the gorge. Accordingly, the "response" will be purely formal.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 17: 32
    +6
    Quote: 75Sergey
    Having wrested Karabakh, Azerbaijan will not stop, because in their understanding, the whole of Armenia is the occupied lands of Azerbaijan.
    But they don't understand that Turkey is occupying them.

    Is this your idea? How many times have I listened to Aliyev's speech and in general the statements of local Azerbaijanis - they never considered Armenia a part of Azerbaijan
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 17: 40
    +1
    There is no limit ..... What do they want to convey with this, what do they teach children? https://minval.az/news/124048333
  • Victorm
    Victorm 25 October 2020 17: 44
    +1
    Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense is showing footage of the territories of the Gubadli region taken under its control.

    Specific villages of Kubatly were shown in response to the publication of a map of the battles of the Armenian Defense Ministry, this after repeated promises of daily publication of a situational map. Thus, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan simply and without frills made its counterparts, the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, once again clowns.
    https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/karabah/20201024/25051657/Nastupavshiy-na-Berdzor-protivnik-otbroshen-predstavitel-Minoborony-Armenii-pokazal-kartu-.html
    Look at the map for yourself ...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 25 October 2020 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: Observer2014
    if Yerevan really intends to maintain control over Karabakh.
    yes But this is really questionable. Does Nagorno-Karabakh need Armenia itself. Or is it an anchor that keeps Armenia with Pashinyan at the head of the "net" future integration with the "free peoples of Europe" wassat
    The best option, in my opinion, is this: Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia. Azerbaijanis in their area around NPOs. Ban on citizens of Armenia for dual citizenship in the Russian Federation. And corridors to Nakhichevan for Azerbaijanis. And Russians in Nagorno-Karabakh following the example of West Berlin. All this will be honest. And everyone will be happy. There are other options please. Moreover, Nagorno-Karabakh, at its own request, entered the Russian Empire as an independent subject.
    The transfer of the Russian military base from Gyumri to Stepanakert. And let the Armenians in Armenia deal with the Turks themselves, and then the Georgians.
    Well then, the military base of Azerbaijan in Moscow on the territory of FoodCity, well, this is all for garlic and justice wink
    laughing laughing laughing
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 25 October 2020 18: 18
      -7
      We'll be announcing you at all soon.
      And we'll take the oil for ourselves.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 18: 25
        +8
        "annex" lol annexer
        1. Voentorg
          Voentorg 25 October 2020 18: 35
          -5
          Your historical homeland is China, you can remember ...
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 October 2020 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: VictorM
      Quote: Observer2014
      if Yerevan really intends to maintain control over Karabakh.
      yes But this is really questionable. Does Nagorno-Karabakh need Armenia itself. Or is it an anchor that keeps Armenia with Pashinyan at the head of the "net" future integration with the "free peoples of Europe" wassat
      The best option, in my opinion, is this: Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia. Azerbaijanis in their area around NPOs. Ban on citizens of Armenia for dual citizenship in the Russian Federation. And corridors to Nakhichevan for Azerbaijanis. And Russians in Nagorno-Karabakh following the example of West Berlin. All this will be honest. And everyone will be happy. There are other options please. Moreover, Nagorno-Karabakh, at its own request, entered the Russian Empire as an independent subject.
      The transfer of the Russian military base from Gyumri to Stepanakert. And let the Armenians in Armenia deal with the Turks themselves, and then the Georgians.
      Well then, the military base of Azerbaijan in Moscow on the territory of FoodCity, well, this is all for garlic and justice wink
      laughing laughing laughing

      So war to victory? Fight to your health. What else can I say? Nothing. Everything has already been said. Further, only guns speak. You know, there comes a moment when "You can only believe in Russia ..." Let's score on a dispute. I have a good bottle of vodka . With you, if that Azerbaijani brandy. Nagorno-Karabakh will not be completely taken by the Azerbaijani army. Well, that will not be all. The region of Azerbaijan is around it and there is no dispute here. But Karabakh itself No. Moreover, he is also property, if anything, of the Russian Empire ..... Although personally with you, I would have liked to debate with pleasure drinks
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 25 October 2020 17: 48
    0
    Quote: genisis
    You about it? The Turkish wolf must see the flags, otherwise it will demolish the tower.

    And where is your invincible, ancient, victorious army?)) Is it good to fire the advancing Azerbaijani units in Lachin from under the Russian torso?) Is it convenient? How to burn flags and demand the Russian army out of Armenia, so the first guys in the village, and as the Azerbaijani Armed Forces began to approach, so "Save Russia", and if they ask, but the wolves did not look at it)) We settled well, the parasitic lifestyle of dependents is not deprived of its charms, right?)
  • Victorm
    Victorm 25 October 2020 17: 57
    +1
    Quote: Stasi
    It is clear that this is not a pleasant "surprise" for you, especially when you realize that it is STEP OF THE RUSSIAN SIDE.

    While tactical and modest...
    First, the correspondence between the Stasi and the MNS smiled, especially since neither one nor the other is already gone. The Stasi disappeared along with the GDR, and the MNB (MTN) now from the ministry became the State Security Service (SGB) smile

    Secondly, the situation somehow began to change abruptly over the hill, you see the comrades from Hayestan and the Khayi living there already conjured up with their lobby. The fact that Russia has put forward a couple of KAMAZ vehicles is more for the Armenian public, Azerbaijan would still not cross the border and violate agreements with Russia. And all this is useless, Russia is already "guilty".
    Although such a nomination allowed some part of the forces to transfer the Armenians to Azerbaijan to the territory of Karabakh, because the situation they have seams, and judging by their media, they are bleeding from the nose, at any cost they need to hold their positions for a couple of weeks and not give up the Lachin corridor, so that they say then negotiate, they still rely on them, from more or less advantageous positions.

    But I repeat, Russia is still, in any case, "GUILTY", a radical change within the structures of power in Armenia is needed for this to change.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 19: 43
    +8
    Quote: Observer2014
    The best option, in my opinion, is this: Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia. Azerbaijanis in their area around NPOs. Ban on citizens of Armenia for dual citizenship in the Russian Federation. And corridors to Nakhichevan for Azerbaijanis. And Russians in Nagorno-Karabakh following the example of West Berlin. All this will be honest. And everyone will be happy. There are other options please. Moreover, Nagorno-Karabakh, at its own request, entered the Russian Empire as an independent subject.

    He is the best only from your point of view.
    1. Karabakh to Russia? Do we need it? To raise from the ruins an area that has been destroyed for 3 decades. In which the industry is ruined. Agriculture? Why do we need it there, when we can invest the same money in the southern regions of Russia, in the same Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories?
    2.Prohibition of dual citizenship for Armenian citizens in Russia? So for this you need to put things in order at home. And sometimes our deputies and members of the government, in addition to the Russian one, also have citizenship of some of the countries of the European Union or the States. And why only Armenians? It smacks of discrimination and double standards. That is, if you are from the "correct" country - have dual citizenship. If from "wrong" - then dual citizenship "no"
    3. Corridor to Nakhichevan? You write that
    All this will be fair and everyone will be happy.

    Do you seriously think so? The corridor is not a highway on which cars can move. This is a zone with extraterritoriality in relation to the state on which this corridor is located. That is, Armenia will not have rights to this corridor. At the same time, it is not known whether it will be possible for them to cross it, or a piece of their territory will be cut off from the rest of the territory of Armenia, and she herself will lose the border with Iran and such fun will begin for her: from the west - hostile Turkey, from the north - by no means friendly Georgia, from the east and south - Azerbaijan. Do you seriously think that everyone will be happy, especially Armenia? And the same corridor, but a couple of hundred kilometers long across the territory of Azerbaijan? Azerbaijan will dance with joy?
    And do not use West Berlin and the corridor from it as an example. Germany lost the war and there were occupation troops on its territory. And they made decisions in relation to the vanquished. And here. Armenia or Azerbaijan are not defeated in relation to Russia. On what basis should we dictate such conditions ???
    And about Karabakh and the Russian Empire. If we get into the jungle of what and when it was, then the hell is it possible to agree. Recall who owned the North Caucasus 10, 20 or 30 centuries ago.
  • flicker
    flicker 25 October 2020 20: 35
    +2
    Well, yes.
    There is another possible way.
    While Azerbaijani troops are trying to take Lachin, take Baku with a sharp counterattack. belay
    "At the same time, the concentration of forces and means must be such that the offensive is supported on a front section with a width of at least 20-25 km" and a depth of up to 250 km ... fellow
    ---
    And the most important thing is that the Azerbaijani side does not know about this. what
  • Klingon
    Klingon 25 October 2020 20: 42
    -4
    Quote: MTN
    Quote: Stasi
    Here is a photo confirming this fact.

    Not one self-respecting country does this. Only in Armenia can one see how the border is protected by the army of another country. It's a shame!

    whose cow would bellow, but didn't Edik promise to hide behind Azerbaijan? Moreover, he also pinned the lousy bearded barmaley from Syria! only if Edik is harnessed, then the CSTO agreement will come into force and Uncle Vova will find a way to rein in both Sultanchik and Aliyev at the same time. So as not to succumb to provocations
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 October 2020 21: 43
      0
      The CSTO does not extend to the territory of Karabakh about this, it has already been written a lot, and the president himself put an end to the Russian Armed Forces for not going to fight - and the fact that Turkey helps Azerbaijan with weapons and ammunition, like Israel, has long been known.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 25 October 2020 22: 52
        0
        okay to hell with him from the CSTO, I poked it, but if bearded baboons trample into Russia, I think no one will silently look at this from the Sultan, they will ask for it
  • certero
    certero 25 October 2020 22: 36
    +2
    Quote: Stock
    Armenia is a zone of Armenian interests; Azerbaijan-Azerbaijani; and Russia - Russian is primarily

    You can puff your cheeks as much as you like, but the fate of all small states that are sandwiched between large ones to serve as a zone and the realization of those ambitions.
    In no case do I beg the Azerbaijani or Armenian statehood.
    Well, the war that is now going on is a good example of this. For example, Russia decides to intervene on the side of Armenia and that's it, Azerbaijan will not get any Nagorno-Karabakh. Or vice versa, Russia decides to end this conflict and Karabakh will go to Azerbaijan.
    This does not mean at all that Russia will do something similar. She just can, no matter how you deny it.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 25 October 2020 23: 26
    0
    Quote: Incvizitor
    It is necessary to remember, speaking about another army, the entire Turkish pigsty from Syria, which is fighting for the Azeris.


    Are you talking about this pigsty, photo above?
    According to very unreliable Armenian sources, all evil spirits in Karabakh are fighting in the form of Azerbaijani border troops. Below in the photo is the commander of the Azerbaijani border troops Elchin Guliyev and two border guards, compare the uniforms in the first photo, a frame from the video posted by the Armenian Agitprop.

    Now look at the photo below. This is Mr. Tonoyan, the Minister of Defense of Armenia, he is in a mask, hiding in some kind of cache in Karabakh while his army is successfully advancing, in the opposite direction, of course. Well, pay attention to the fighter to his left in the photo, the spitting image of a Syrian militant laughing , the form on it is like the Azerbaijani border guards.
    Reservists from Armenia are already fighting just in clothes in what they mobilized, there are a lot of photos and video confirmations, so it is obvious that the boy did not want to hand over the lump, albeit Azerbaijani, to the wardrobe laughing

    Or maybe this is some Syrian "Stirlitz" that crept into trust, penetrated into the location, and at night Tonoyan chick his little head with a knife? ... I'm really worried ... laughing laughing laughing

    Yesterday was the day of special forces, on this resource, like a military one, it passed unnoticed ... Let me remind you once again about the video with the allegedly Azerbaijani special forces "shot" a couple of Armenians, and the Armenians on the video diligently portrayed the special forces. Why? - easy to guess by the equipment. Well, for example, the fact is that drinking systems or hydrators are not available for ordinary infantrymen or mountain riflemen, they have flasks. And what do we see in the video of a speaking "Azerbaijani serviceman"? ... Now ask any special forces soldier, even from Africa, since they also study in the Russian Federation and speak Russian - does the special forces have time in a combat situation to arrange "exemplary demonstration shootings ", and even drag prisoners from one site to another, do all sorts of nonsense, etc.?
    BUT ... the BBC confirms that the very unauthorized Bellingcat who works for the British special services or who he pays for good babos, confirms the most important thing that the speaker's accent is Azerbaijani laughing , and not any other way, well, for the sake of decency, they also confirm that the shooting was carried out here and there ... Well, the housewife will believe it, but now that some ladies of Balzac's age gathered all the knowledge about military affairs of which, that's just tights torn in youth about tanks on shoulder straps? ...

    Today, another video of Armenian agitprop has matured, according to a new scenario, an Azerbaijani officer, no other way, finished off a wounded Armenian serviceman in a trench from his PM ... The coolest thing is that everyone swears exclusively in Russian - alas, here with actors with a characteristic Azerbaijani accent and possession of Azerbaijani, they were not lucky. As well as not lucky with some kind of captured "Zefer", "Zefer-K" or "Inam", these are pistols produced under the license of Turkish TISAŞ (pistols "Ziqana-K" and "Ziqana-F") and are in service with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. .. laughing
    1. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 25 October 2020 23: 46
      0
      Armenian dude's slippers in Azerbaijani border uniform are valid good In general, sneakers in the Armenian army seem to be already part of military ammunition or the national military style. I still remember the press conference of the press secretary of the Armenian Ministry of Defense Arsrun Hovhannisyan and the unshaven man standing right behind him dressed in sneakers with camouflage (and in socks)) and picking his immense nose)
      Why do they have a vidocq in the photo that is not ramb-like, a little lame, or something)
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 25 October 2020 23: 30
    -1
    Quote: Nasdaq
    If there are Syrians there, no one will let them in there with Syrian documents. They will take everything away and put on an Azerbaijani uniform.
    Even the Soviet military at one time wore Egyptian, Syrian and Vietnamese uniforms.
    There will be tight evidence for anyone. Only if you take it alive. And then they will say that the setting. Like an actor, or a refugee from Syria (ethnic Armenian) therefore speaks Arabic.
    It is very difficult to prove or disprove this. Anyway.

    Well, if the evidence is tight, then excuse me and there is nothing to talk about. And so you can talk about everything. Popularly called jabbering (don't take it upon yourself).
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 October 2020 00: 00
    0
    Quote: genisis
    Boys die because Aliyev doesn't care. It was he who left them to kill and die.

    and in what war was it different? There is always a certain "Aliyev" and some "boys"
  • Victorm
    Victorm 26 October 2020 00: 44
    0
    Quote: Scorpio05
    Why do they have a vidocq in the photo that is not ramb-like, a little lame, or something)
    The boys and the fat capital hog on their blood, hung the Hero on the chest for nonexistent successes, the announcement of which ended with another rout and dozens of corpses of such boys ...
    Do you think they do not understand this and my thoughts visit only and exclusively correct Aryan?
    God forbid anyone to be in their place, under such a batch not a single army has ever found itself in the CIS, and probably in the world.
  • aiden
    aiden 26 October 2020 03: 20
    +4
    It should be added separately that Pashinyan did not allow Russia to re-equip the base in Gyumri. So there are old MiG-29, Mi-24p and s-300. And do I need to help him now? They organized a maidan, shouted for Russia to leave. And as the smell of fried, so immediately call Putin. Let Soros call. And in Putin's place, I would have sent this Pashinyan away so that his people would be thrown off as well as put on the throne. And I would have helped when it got really bad. So that stupid Armenian heads understand that it is necessary to be friends with Russia. And not to use all sorts of anti-Russian slogans to achieve their political goals. And I will not forgive the Azerbaijanis when, after the collapse of the USSR, they staged a genocide against the Russians, who, in order to escape, simply abandoned everything and fled to Russia. I know a lot of such families. I would arrange a mass deportation. I just want to tell both countries, get Russia, and no Soros and Erdogans will save you. Nothing and no one will save you.
  • border
    border 26 October 2020 17: 19
    0
    Each side has victory bulletins (similar to the bulletins during the Iran-Iraq War). And only one victory). Pts. reminiscent of the chronicle "Die Deutsche Wochenschau".