"This is Erdogan's new anti-NATO demarche": Greece spoke about the planned exercises of the Turkish Navy

The Greek press comes out with materials that speak of "Erdogan's new anti-NATO demarche."

Earlier, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced that the North Atlantic Alliance welcomes Ankara's decision to cancel military exercises with live firing in the eastern Mediterranean, which Ankara originally planned to hold on October 27-28. And already about two hours after Stoltenberg's statement, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that there was no talk of canceling military maneuvers.

In Greece, Ankara's actions sparked outrage. Greece is especially annoyed by the fact that the Turkish Navy will conduct exercises on October 28 - the day of the Greek national holiday. This is Ochi Day - a holiday of rejection of the ultimatum put forward against Greece by fascist Italy. The word "ohi" with the stress on the first syllable is translated from Greek as "no". The holiday is also celebrated in Cyprus.

Greek media outlets note that Erdogan is well aware that October 28 is a public holiday in Greece. From the materials of Greek journalists:

Erdogan thus demonstrates not only disrespect for Greece, but also ignores partnerships within NATO.

Athens expects Brussels to condemn Ankara's plans to conduct military exercises "which could spread instability in the eastern Mediterranean and irreparably damage NATO's reputation for unity."

Earlier, there were political tensions between Greece and Turkey due to the fact that Ankara sent a vessel to the eastern Mediterranean, which is engaged in exploration of gas fields. In Athens, they believe that Turkey has no right to deposits in this region, since they are in close proximity to the Greek islands.

Comments

[Thrifty]

The Greeks shouldn’t rely on NATO, if it comes to drums, NATO fleets will help the stronger to finish off the weaker, as vultures should! Only, for a start, they will spit in the direction of the Turks, for an ostratus!

[TermNachTer]

Turkey is only de jure in NATO. "De facto" Erdogan has long been pursuing his policy, which is not only at odds with the policy of Brussels, but even contradicts it. But I doubt very much about the fact that someone will help Turkey. The French were also very offended when the Turks took their frigate "for escort" near the Libyan coast.

[Livonetc]

We are that the Turks, that the Greeks.
Economic partners and warm sea beaches.
No more.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Livonetc

To us that the Turks, that the Greeks

Yeah. Some have claims to our territories, others are our fellow believers. Same.

[Livonetc]

When did these common believers support us in history?
In the First World War, we were drawn into the war for other fellow believers?
What did you get?
Millions dead.
Collapse of the country.
A revolution with millions of victims.
Brother went to brother Russian to Russian.
A strong enemy is sometimes more adequate and more useful than fellow believers who will sell at a moment.
By the way.
In Russia, much more young people wear the cross than in Greece.
Now they are more godless than fellow believers.

[kostas]

In the Crimean War, the Greek volunteer legion and no one else fought on the side of Russia. Do not drive at the expense of faith, the Greeks are believers, we have churches built and they are still building today, they are being restored here.

[TermNachTer]

So the legion was probably recruited from the Crimean Greeks? They had something to fight for.

[kostas]

As part of the Russian army, the Balaklava irregular infantry regiment was fought from the local Crimean Greeks, and the legion consisted of volunteers who arrived from mainland Greece and the islands.

[Thrifty]

Costas - it's good that you take care of our churches! However, you are wrong - we are not only restoring old churches in the country, but also building new ones! !!

[kostas]

I know, but it was a hint of some historical circumstances, and after all this, calling us atheists is at least arrogance.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: kostas

some historical circumstances

For one beaten, two unbeaten give, but they do not take.
Faith untested cannot claim advantages over faith that has passed severe trials.
You can answer to a specific individual, not a country. So avoid unforgivable mistakes.

[kostas]

And where did you get the idea that I answered the country, and not a specific individual, just the same with the country I have everything in order and with you there are no problems, given your reaction to the individual.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Livonetc

In Russia, much more young people wear the cross than in Greece

Have you looked under everyone's shirt?)

Quote: Livonetc

In the First World War, we were drawn into the war for other fellow believers?

Of course not. This was just a formal reason. The reasons for the First World War are the redivision of the world and the struggle for markets. Every student knows.

Quote: Livonetc

Millions dead

Are the Greeks to blame for everything?

Quote: Livonetc

the enemy is sometimes more adequate and useful

Seriously? More adequate and more useful? We are talking about the Turks. They never remembered for more than a couple of days what papers they signed with us. Is this adequate? How many times did they have to be put in place and how many people died? This is useful?

How can you just close your eyes to your own history?

[fruc]

They are the same corrupt co-religionists as the Bulgarians, Romanians and Ukryayans.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

.One have claims on our territories

And what territories do the Turks claim?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

And what territories do the Turks claim?

Erdogan quite unequivocally advocates the rejection of the Russian Crimea.
Erdogan supports terrorists from the North Caucasus, carriers of separatist ideas for our republics.
The unhealthy interest of the Turks in our Tatarstan is also no secret to anyone. It is thanks to Turkish "work" and support that extremist sentiments are definitely growing on the territory of this republic today.
Enough for you?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... advocates the rejection of the Russian Crimea.

Remind me when Erdi was going to annex Crimea to Turkey.

.
Erdogan supports terrorists from the North Caucasus, carriers of separatist ideas

Who would be here ranting about the separatists.

... Unhealthy interest of Turks in our Tatarstan

Does the idea of ​​a 'Russian world' seem 'healthy' or 'unhealthy' to you?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Remind me when Erdi was going to annex Crimea to Turkey.

Robbery remains a crime, regardless of whether you committed it for yourself, or for the walking girl from the next street.

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Who would be ranting about the separatists?

What is this nonsense?

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

And the idea of ​​the 'Russian world'

How can a Russian relate to the Russian world? Are you completely brainless?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... Robbery remains a crime

What kind of robbery are we talking about? Whom did the Turks rob in the Crimea?

... What is this nonsense?

This is to your delirium about the support of the Turks of the Caucasian guerilleros with the aim, as you say, of territorial conquests. So I say: blaming someone for stirring up the separatist movements, having a Donbass case, is pretty nice.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

What kind of robbery are we talking about?

The above is written.
I am glad that you understood without explanation who is a walking girl in this situation.

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

This is for your delirium

When did this logic become nonsense?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

We are that the Turks, that the Greeks.
Economic partners and warm sea beaches.
No more.

True, but the Turks will be closer, more and have much more ambitions.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: TermNachTER

into account that someone will help Turkey, I doubt very much.

Yes, and NATO's Greeks to help, in the event of a conflict, also did not run from a low start ... They will, like GDP with Karabakh, invite ministers, force them to conclude some kind of agreement to stop something there ... But "on the ground" as they beat each other, they will beat each other until they get bored ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Thrifty

it will come to drums

[Bagatur]

Just like Armenia relied on Russia. Orthodoxy ... Christianity .. crap them. The money, oil and gas of the Caspian region is what matters. Armenia? Where did she go beat? Nowhere! That is why they gave up Karabakh to be torn apart.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

.Exactly how Armenia relied on Russia

No fucking hope. Russia owes you nothing. No need to be rude, guys. What did your Pashinyan fumble about in Brussels? That with the collapse of the USSR everything was reset? So eat, losers.

.Orthodoxy ... Christianity

What? Stop spanking nonsense, there was no religious content initially and it won't work to screw it here. And in general, about some kind of "Christian solidarity" it can not go by definition. Russia is not mono-confessional.

[Alex777]

Please do not write nonsense.

[Pechkin]

And Armenia is all white. And there has been no anti-Russian policy lately (restriction of Russian channels), Armenia must enter a civilized world, we do not want to be a satellite of Russia. Pashinyan stated that Armenia is a NATO partner and Armenia participates in two NATO missions. And Russia is a partner, you don't need to sit on two chairs. The smartest thought. You want reliable allies, behave accordingly. And so you and NATO are not needed (Turkey is a NATO member) and for Russia an incomprehensible ally. If you do not want to be friends with Russia, you will be friends with Turkey. ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bagatura

how Armenia relied on Russia.

Actually, Pashinyan relied on the United States. For some reason he now remembered about Russia.

[Revolver]

Quote: bagatura

Just like Armenia relied on Russia. Orthodoxy ... Christianity .. crap them.

Still, from the point of view of the Orthodox Church, as well as the Catholic and the majority of Protestants, no Armenians are Christians. Monophysites, that is, heretics. Although for me personally, these disputes about what is more in Jesus, human or divine, are violet.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... nato fleets will help the stronger to finish off the weaker,

I didn't understand something - instead of putting things in order in its barn, NATO will artificially select the weak link?
Well, well, to what extent will NATO 'finish off' its member? Before the funeral of the Greek Navy?

[rocket757]

Too much idle chatter .... and some who, under STE business, do their own things.

[the finish]

Greece and Cyprus are weak to create a precedent for recognizing the first independence of Karabakh, as Azerbaijan and Turkey recognize the occupied Northern Cyprus. There, Armenia itself recognizes some others too.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: finish

Greece and Cyprus are weak to create a precedent for recognizing the first independence of Karabakh, as Azerbaijan and Turkey recognize the occupied Northern Cyprus. There, Armenia itself recognizes some others too.

Failure to recognize Karabakh is tantamount to the fact that we recognize the legal recognition of the recouped part of Cyprus. Azerbaijan does not recognize northern Cyprus yet, but Azeri society is ready to recognize it. The only type of relationship with northern Cyprus is supported by Nakhichevan, but we have no autonomy that can recognize Karabakh.

[the finish]

And just in retaliation for the recognition by Turkey ...?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: finish

And just in retaliation for the recognition by Turkey ...?

I would like it, but it is impossible for someone who in a less advantageous position relies on the rule of law.

[askort154]

Erdogan thus demonstrates not only disrespect for Greece, but also ignores partnerships within NATO.

Come on, Greeks, raise the question of Turkey's exclusion from NATO!
Tell them your "OHI". Although it is clear that Turkey is more important for the United States in NATO than Greece. "Erdogans" come and go, but NATO wants to live a long, long time.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: askort154

NATO wants to live long, long.

NATO is too early to retire - still up to the neck

At the NATO summit in July 2016, Russia was recognized as the main security threat to NATO, and its containment was officially declared a new NATO mission.

So as long as Russia exists, these "missionErs" cannot be dispersed with a filthy broom. Only if the chief horse breeder has to fill the head - then they themselves will scatter. For some time, we passed it already, they read the history textbook at school ...

[tralflot1832]

In light of recent events, only Macron will sign the recall of the French ambassador from Turkey for Greece. And what he said about Masulman, it seems that he considers himself immortal.

[Crash]

, recall of the French ambassador from Turkey, for Greece only Macron will sign

Macron is offended for himself, Greece doesn't give a damn

[tralflot1832]

Napoleon did not take offense. France shredded after the Second World War. There was only De Gaulle and that was devoured, only Louis de Feneses remained.

[Pechkin]

They would say that Turkey does not respect Greece, we will take such and such measures, etc., otherwise it looks like:
Brussels - So they called me yellow fish?
Athens - Yes! Yes! Fish! And a worm too! An earthworm!

[Asad]

Erdogan is like a chain dog, he snatches everyone who can be reached! Or kicking around!

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: frruc

They are the same corrupt co-religionists as the Bulgarians, Romanians and Ukryayans.

Not tired of sculpting the image of a besieged fortress? It turns out everything around ... only we are Dartanyans.
How did it happen that all fellow believers are bad and only you are the warriors of the world?

[Alex777]

How did it happen that the co-religionists recognized the Ukrainian schismatics loyal to Anathema?
First answer this, then be smart.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Alex777

How did it happen that the co-religionists recognized the Ukrainian schismatics loyal to Anathema?
First answer this, then be smart.

How did it happen that the co-religionists recognized and did everything for the independence of the Albanian Church? This is not a biased question you study more deeply and then be clever.

[Alex777]

It's not fashionable here to remember the 37th year.
Then millions of citizens of the USSR were in concentration camps.
And you, for the last 10 years, seem to be roaming free.
So don't fool us with the affairs of 100 years ago.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Alex777

It's not fashionable here to remember the 37th year.
Then millions of citizens of the USSR were in concentration camps.
And you, for the last 10 years, seem to be roaming free.
So don't fool us with the affairs of 100 years ago.

Sorry, and 37 years old. Your comment "people were shifting into a bunch of horses."

[Alex777]

On April 12, 1937, the synodal tomos recognized the autocephaly of the Orthodox Church in Albania.

Or did you think it was last year?

[Pavlos Melas]

Nevertheless, the fact remains

[Alex777]

Nevertheless, the fact remains

Yes. The fact that compromises Russia did not occur to you before 1937.
And ask how much money has been invested in the development of Athos from Russia over the past 30 years - you will be very surprised.
But it is more convenient for you to remember the affairs of a hundred years ago.
Flag in hand, drum on neck, wind in back ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alex777

It's not fashionable here to remember the 37th year.
Then millions of citizens of the USSR were in concentration camps.

Provide a link to the documents.
And then everyone refers to Solzhenitsyn. It's fashionable ..

[Alex777]

Send my grandfather's certificate of rehabilitation for lack of corpus delicti? I have it, but it won't convince you. As well as the stories of contemporaries.
And the second grandfather would have got "in the wheel" if he hadn't gone to the Caucasus with his family from St. Petersburg ... Already received a summons to Liteiny. And I realized that no one came back from there.
Better not make you angry with stupid questions and communist doubts.

[stalkerwalker]

Okay. Two repressed were reported. Test.
It remains to tell about the remaining few million.
PS
Such "references" exist. Available. The data were collected by order of N. Khrushchev on the eve of the XX Congress, in order to read out to the assembled delegates, as evidence of the "next act" of IV Stalin against the Soviet people.
But it turned out that there was nothing to read.
You will be angry with yourself. That's more interesting...

[Alex777]

But it turned out that there was nothing to read.

Irresponsible!
Delirium should not be broadcast.
Go to the Butovo training ground.
Yes, read all the names.
Perhaps the head will fall into place.
Go to the village of Kryukovo.
Talk to the locals who are still alive.
They will tell you a lot of interesting things about 28 Panfilovites.
Make yourself worthy to Solovki. Take an interest in the history of Balaam.
What can you say. I suppose your ancestors shot ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alex777

Irresponsible!

I agree that other words cannot describe you.
“To the Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Comrade NS Khrushchev. In connection with the signals received by the CPSU Central Committee from a number of persons about unlawful convictions for counter-revolutionary crimes in past years by the OGPU Collegium, NKVD troikas, a Special Meeting. By the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to reconsider the cases of persons convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes and now held in camps and prisons, we report: According to the data available in the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the period from 1921 to the present 3 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes by the OGPU Collegium, NKVD troikas, Special Meeting, Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including: to the VMN - 777 people, to detention in camps and prisons for a period of 380 years or less - 642 980 25 people, in exile and deportation? - 2 369 people. Out of the total number of those arrested, roughly, convicted: 220 people - by the OGPU Collegium, the NKVD troikas and the Special Council and 765 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium. ... General Prosecutor R. Rudenko Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin "

PS
To whom where to go - advise your relatives ...

[Alex777]

Overview
Losses of the population of Russia and the USSR in wars and military conflicts 1904-1996 (51) 529 200
including the loss of the population of the USSR, 1917-1991 (49) 376 200
Losses of the population of the USSR from hunger and collectivization, 1930-1933 (8) 000 000
Losses of the population of the USSR from famine, 1946-1947 (1) 000 000
Total losses of the population of the USSR from hunger and political repression (10) 050 000
Total population losses in Russia and the USSR as a result of demographic catastrophes 1904-1996 (61) 329 200
including the loss of the population of the USSR in 1917-1991. (59) 176 200

Sokolov Boris Vadimovich.
Human losses in Russia and the USSR in wars, armed conflicts and other demographic catastrophes of the XNUMXth century.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alex777

Sokolov Boris Vadimovich

And who is this?
Kolchak's counterintelligence officer?
Even the stoned Memorial agrees with the data given above ...

[Alex777]

You probably grew up in a special atmosphere.
And this atmosphere protected you from the surrounding reality.
You don't need my advice. There will be no more of them.
Goodbye forever!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alex777

Goodbye forever!

Only women offended by me said this to me.

I'm upset. To tears...

[Alex777]

It was ironic. )))))
It is not good to offend the weak.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alex777

I suppose your ancestors and shot

Did not try to be treated?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Alex777

How did it happen that the co-religionists recognized the Ukrainian schismatics loyal to Anathema?
First answer this, then be smart.

And in pursuit, explain to me what the problem is, you know the Greeks of Greece, the Greeks of Cyprus, and the Greek Phanariots belong to different parishes. Somehow our nation did not suffer from this.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

the Greeks of Greece, the Greeks of Cyprus, and the Phanariote Greeks belong to different parishes. Somehow our nation did not suffer from this.

Not hurt? In Cyprus, as I understand, your nation is happy with everything. she was not hurt.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Quote: Pavlos Melas

the Greeks of Greece, the Greeks of Cyprus, and the Phanariote Greeks belong to different parishes. Somehow our nation did not suffer from this.

Not hurt? In Cyprus, as I understand, your nation is happy with everything. she was not hurt.

She suffered as much as she suffered. Not satisfied at all, but my post is a bit different from that. The Cypriot tragedy is not a consequence of the fact that Cypriots have an autocephalous episcopate, separate from the Church of Greece.

[Alex777]

And in pursuit, explain to me what the problem is, you know the Greeks of Greece, the Greeks of Cyprus, and the Greek Phanariots belong to different parishes.

But the Phanariots pressed on the recognition of the Church of Greece, the Church of Alexandria, and Athos, and the Cypriot head. It is a fact.
And we don't like this fact. Rest assured.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Alex777

And in pursuit, explain to me what the problem is, you know the Greeks of Greece, the Greeks of Cyprus, and the Greek Phanariots belong to different parishes.

But the Phanariots pressed on the recognition of the Church of Greece, the Church of Alexandria, and Athos, and the Cypriot head. It is a fact.
And we don't like this fact. Rest assured.

The fact is the same as the fact that Russian hierarchs also don’t pick their noses and where they can get their benefit. You wrote about 37, but this opposition has much deeper roots. Well, of course, apparently all methods are good to become the "third Rome". We will see exclusively the negative of the opposite side and we will also criticize the whole people. Comrades are going the right way.

[Alex777]

Well, of course, apparently all methods are good to become the "third Rome".

Let us not mold us into an image of a besieged fortress.
Third Rome ... This topic was relevant under the tsarist government.
Now, few people remember about her.

... Russian hierarchs also don’t pick their noses and get their benefits wherever they can.

How much respect you have for us - how much you will receive it from us.
Do not exact ...

[Vasyan1971]

Athens expects Brussels to condemn Ankara's plans to conduct military exercises, “which CAN spread instability in the eastern Mediterranean and irreparably damage NATO's reputation for unity. "

With a "high degree of probability" ©.

[Igor Emelyanenko]

In today's Russia, it is easier to build a church and service the poor fellow, than to build, equip a hospital, teach and pay doctors worthily to cure him!

[AlexeyEg]

Aren't churches built on alms? Then the comparison is meaningless.

[Maki maki]

No, there is a completely different cuisine - all for the money I know not by hearsay - my mother-in-law in the diocese works in the accounting department. Although, in fairness, I will say: there are temples with a completely different attitude, but this is in the outback. In large cities - money, show-off and politics.

[Igor Emelyanenko]

90% of the money for the construction of temples and churches from the federal budget goes !!!