Vainakh split, or the Caucasus in anticipation of Moscow decisions

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Vainakh split, or the Caucasus in anticipation of Moscow decisionsPerhaps, for the first time in all recent years, the question of not the liquidation of armed gangs or the need to raise the standard of living in the republics comes to the first place in terms of analyzing events in the North Caucasus, but a conflict that suddenly appeared between the heads of Chechnya and Ingushetia. We are talking about the sensational situation with the way Kadyrov and Yevkurov could not reach a common opinion about who actually destroyed the gang group in the Sunzha district of the Ingush Republic.

Recall that Ramzan Kadyrov reported to the federal authorities that three militants were killed by Chechen security forces at the Ingush village of Galashki. As a comment to this statement of Kadyrov, the Ingush head Yunus-Bek Yevkurov said that the death of the militants did not come at all because of the actions of the Chechen special forces, but due to the fact that there was some unintended explosion, and the Chechen fighters after the explosion transported two killed and one wounded militant on the territory of Chechnya.

It would seem that after the statements of the heads of the two North Caucasian republics, they should have calmed down, but the hot Vainakh blood continued to play in the veins of political figures. Ramzan Kadyrov expressed a storm of indignation with the words of his Ingush colleague and said that Yevkurov did not show enough zeal in the fight against extremism in the territory of his republic, and therefore, the quotation: "there is no order here." After his tirades about the "inaction" of the Ingush leader, Ramzan Kadyrov noted that it was time to create a real border between Ingushetia and Chechnya, and not be content with what it is.

After the designated conflict, experts unanimously started talking about the fact that a special version of the conflict is being planned in the North Caucasus - a local political one. Kadyrov, during her time at the helm of Chechnya, managed to form a self-assessment of the ideal leader of the North Caucasus region. Kadyrov is young (he is 36 years old) and at the same time he has quite a solid managerial experience, heading the Chechen Republic since 2007. Kadyrov is trying to demonstrate full loyalty to the Kremlin, but at the same time he does not shy away from using his own political methods to achieve his goals. The Kremlin gives Kadyrov a real carte blanche, allowing him to achieve tangible results in the field of the head of the Republic. Well, the methods by which Ramzan is guided in this way are somehow not taken by officials to criticize. Someone sees this as a kind of counterexample of the interaction of the federal center with the North Caucasian leaders after the Yeltsin failure to “curb” Dzhokhar Dudayev before the 1 of the Chechen campaign and during it. Someone is inclined to believe that Kadyrov himself is a very, very convenient figure for the Kremlin, since in suppressing unwanted formations for themselves, in fact, they are guided by principles that are declared in one form or another by the federal authorities.

Speaking about Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, it should be noted that in his case there is a much more rigid framework for conducting republican policy than in the case of Ramzan Kadyrov. The framework is for Yunus-Bek Bamategireevich himself. The fact is that Yevkurov is a man who received his higher military education during the time of the USSR, and therefore, naturally, he has other ideas about how to achieve stability in the Republic. Evkurov simply by definition cannot afford to allow himself to use the forces and means at his disposal to restore order in the Republic by means of constitutional methods. Whether this is good or bad is a question from a different plane.

On the one hand, it seems to be necessary to pay attention to the result, but for now this result looks more digestible in Chechnya, which is headed by Kadyrov. But on the other hand, it is necessary to look somewhat forward and analyze the working methods of regional leaders, at least in the medium term. Could Kadyrov’s precedent “my Republic be my will” become a new slogan for other leaders of the North Caucasus regions? Would such a position not lead to that very regional deadlock, the beginnings of which we see today after the skirmish of Yevkurov and Kadyrov? I would like to believe that this whole conflict is a temporary clouding that will quickly disperse.

One should not forget that Russia is moving to electing the heads of the subjects of the federation, and in the case of the North Caucasus in terms of election, politicians who are guided by very strict principles, including the principles of quite obvious nationalism, can be the first to take the lead.

By the way, Kadyrov’s words about the final delimitation of Chechnya and Ingushetia are one example of the fact that he wants to further strengthen his position in the region and become a kind of regional leader, playing with his political weight. It must be admitted that Kadyrov’s popularity in the North Caucasus today is very high. But this popularity, what a sin to conceal, he achieved not only because of his “special” policy, but also because of generous federal funding from Moscow. If the leaders of the neighboring North Caucasian republics see that the leader’s role can only come to them after they show their people that they can look at federal laws and the Constitution of the Russian Federation, then they can be pulled out of all existing frames. Moreover, judging by the published federal programs, funding for the North Caucasus is declining. And this reduction in funding is quite capable of heating up the already difficult situation in the region.

If the same Kadyrov can work in the direction of stabilizing the situation in the Chechen Republic and with a rather modest cash infusion from the state treasury, then he is honored and praised. But if it comes to the option of supporting the authorities only under conditions of excessively generous financial support, is it worth it to consider the “Kadyrov's miracle” to be strong.

In this regard, Yevkurov already makes it clear that his principles are in no way connected with fluctuations in the level of financial support from Moscow. In any case, he will continue to work in that vein, both in terms of combating extremism in Ingushetia, and in terms of solving economic problems.

But now it becomes especially important what decision the federal center will take to smooth out the emerging North Caucasian rivalry between Yevkurov and Kadyrov. If today Moscow tries to close its eyes to the Caucasian squabble, then after a short time the verbal duel may well turn into a much more serious conflict. Given that both leaders obviously perceive themselves to be the bearers of the only correct policy in the region, the new conflict can really flare up.

In this case, it is not necessary to put out of brackets the external forces, which, in passive contemplation by official Moscow, the outlined confrontation between the Chechen and Ingush leaders is able to extract their own benefits from the situation. After all, the conflict field in the North Caucasus can be used to solve destructive tasks, which again will make it possible to raise the head of radicalism with the active support of well-known sponsors of world terrorism.
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  1. andrey903
    +21
    13 August 2012 07: 43
    Kadir has a license to shoot objectionable throughout the world. Recall the Yamadayevs, Baysarov, Budanov, and many others
    1. +3
      13 August 2012 07: 45
      Quote: andrey903

      Kadir has a license to shoot objectionable throughout the world. Recall the Yamadayevs, Baysarov, Budanov, and many others

      Because they are terrorists!
      1. John
        -6
        13 August 2012 07: 50
        tronin.maximBecause they are terrorists!

        We don’t need to fight now.
        1. +20
          13 August 2012 08: 04
          Quote: John
          We don’t need to fight now.

          And the war didn’t touch! It at times temporarily faded. As long as the west spans terrorists, the war will be eternal!
          1. itr
            +19
            13 August 2012 12: 16
            I didn’t catch something, and when Budanov became a terrorist
            1. red 015
              +4
              13 August 2012 13: 33
              precisely noticed!
          2. pshentsoff
            +4
            13 August 2012 19: 48
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            And the war didn’t touch! It at times temporarily faded. As long as the west spans terrorists, the war will be eternal!

            Absolutely.
            In 1856, D. Milyutin applied his geopolitical approaches in the Caucasus, being the chief of staff of the Caucasian Army. The systematic occupation of key locations by the fortified garrisons and the blocking of British foreign support led to the fact that Shamil, who had successfully fought a quarter century against the Russian troops, was forced to surrender in three years. The Caucasian war is over.
            I.N. Panarin "Information Geopolitics of Russia"
          3. s1н7т
            -2
            14 August 2012 01: 11
            Well, if so, then when you finish school, pull up your Russian and graduate from the military military university, then I’m calm for the country laughing
        2. +15
          13 August 2012 08: 34
          If we (well, or with us) do not solve this problem, it will be left to our children and grandchildren ... Not the most enviable legacy! To expect that everything will somehow dissolve at least naively! Relieve tension in the region by creating jobs ??? How our supporters declare !!! Who is there, when was going to WORK ??? Not a man’s business according to THEM concepts !!!
          1. +18
            13 August 2012 09: 32
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            If we (well, or with us) do not solve this problem, it will go to our children and grandchildren.


            Ha, who will stop the business? I remember one of the leaders of the USSR solved the problem in three days, for which he was once again branded an executioner and a murderer, it’s clear that it’s tough, but how much blood has been shed by democrats since 1994? And there is nothing to compare
            1. s1н7т
              +2
              14 August 2012 01: 13
              Ha! Have you seen such leaders in the EP lists ?!
        3. +7
          13 August 2012 09: 28
          The sooner the issue with the Caucasus is decided, the better. And the purge of the population of the native Russian regions must be carried out, all Caucasians in their reservation should be sent (this is at least).
          1. Evil Tatar
            +12
            13 August 2012 09: 46
            Quote: Andrey from Tver
            send all Caucasians on their reservation (this is at least).

            It’s not necessary to say so rashly - it’s not for an adult, at least ...
            And then tomorrow we ourselves can be on our reservations and the Caucasians will be nothing to do with it ...
            And they will sit with us, and some will be the most greedy for power, not freedom, and even white bandages will be worn ...
            Is it clear what I mean?
            1. +4
              13 August 2012 10: 56
              What do you expect from Caucasians? Maybe some benefit ?! Here is what the article was here, on "Military Review":
              Most recently ended spring draft campaign. In the course of 7, thousands of young residents of Chechnya, who were registered with the military registration and enlistment offices and were eligible for military service, did not call anyone into the Russian army. Igor Konashenkov (official representative of the Ministry of Defense) made a statement that the distribution list of the General Staff did not reach them - they say, it was decided "from above". Such a decision of the Russian authorities left no choice to young Chechens, and now they will have to serve in the troops of General Kadyrov.
              http://topwar.ru/5839-gde-sluzhat-molodye-chechency.html[hide][/hide]
              And one more thing: all these Caucasian fraternities are a direct threat to Russia. Initially, the Diaspora was a community of citizens of ancient Greek city-states that migrated to the newly conquered territories in order to colonize and assimilate the latter. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%E8%E0%F1%EF%EE%F0%E0
              PS About white dressings - out of place.
              1. Evil Tatar
                -8
                13 August 2012 11: 21
                Quote: Andrey from Tver
                PS About white dressings - out of place.

                Why?
                White bandages were worn not only by yours on Bolotnaya, but also by policemen in the territories occupied by Germans ...

                Andrei, do you have a haircut by chance?
                And then soon you will begin to write that it is necessary to leave only those with blue eyes ...
                Then we will talk about blue blood ...
                And there is not far to ...
                1. +9
                  13 August 2012 11: 56
                  I don’t cut my hair, and I don’t wear suspenders, and the boots on my feet are normal.
                  Your logic is strange, Comrade Lieutenant General. The interlocutor’s train of thought is directly related to the length of his hair.
                  "... that we should leave only those who have blue eyes", Bruce Willis will soon write to you (probably) wink
                  I don’t know about "yours" on Bolotnaya, but I do not intend to be like you in conjectures.
                  Not in an adult way - this does not notice the Caucasian problem. And about the occupation, the analogy is not in your favor - I am on my own land, and Caucasians (like the Germans in World War II until 1944) - on a stranger. So who is more appropriate to wear a white bandage?
                2. +6
                  13 August 2012 12: 01
                  And then shaving on the bald spot? It’s like you came from a different planet to us, you don’t like Caucasians and by the way are well-deserved, that's why http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BGFkMYEAH0 on this http://www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Nb4M1tXUtxc and therefore
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZZOQZkJiE а всему виной наше правительство которое людей которые говорят что они русские причисляют к нацистам и в любой ситуации в которой присутствует русский и кавказец всегда на стороне кавказца. У меня друг в Дагестане живет, я бывает к нему в гости приезжаю, но я же не хожу в русско народных костюмах и не танцую у них на площади русско народные танцы и не ору не хожу что я русский, а они это делают, отсюда и отношение такое. В ы уж извините меня, но я бы выкинул к чертям собачим весь этот Кавказ, построил на границе стену на манер Израильской, сделал въезд в Россию только по визам, а тех кто живет в России менее 5 лет выслал бы на историческую родину, от них только проблемы одни, а ту якобы нефть которая у них есть, да народу плевать на нее, им жить хочется спокойно, у нас и своей нефти хватает.
                  1. -1
                    13 August 2012 12: 25
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-YuDd4NQWc&feature=related лучше это посмотри! может зауважаешь этих нелюдей!
                    1. Evil Tatar
                      +14
                      13 August 2012 12: 47
                      Quote: Baron Wrangel
                      look it better! can you respect these nonhumans!

                      Did you Wrangel write this to me?
                      If you suddenly thought that I could respect these u.bl.dkov, then go to the forest!
                      Are you afraid to get lost, then go to the field - the main thing is to go ...

                      And don’t distort ... I’m talking about the Caucasus, and declare that this is the land of Russia, whether these people are unwilling or unwilling ... The land is watered with the blood of Russians, for many centuries, dotted with bones of soldiers — our great-great-great-great-grandfathers. ..
                      And so it’s so simple, at the request of some Joker (cool Nick, isn't it?) To give up the Caucasus? This means to sign the death of Russia, and this will lead to consequences worse than the frames from the link that you, Baron Wrangel, advised me to see ...

                      ....., do not cough!
                      1. +3
                        13 August 2012 12: 56
                        Quote: Angry Tatar
                        Did you Wrangel write this to me? If you suddenly thought that I could respect these coves, then go by the forest! Are you afraid to get lost, then go by the field - the main thing is to go ...

                        it’s not for you, it’s finally for everyone! I have personal shooting, I shot it myself, but I don’t want to put them on the Internet! there, of course, there is no boast of freaks, the consequences are removed there, and the Caucasus, my opinion, it was necessary to bring troops to the mountains, and make the border! let them run in their mountains!
                      2. Evil Tatar
                        +6
                        13 August 2012 13: 12
                        Quote: Baron Wrangel
                        it’s not for you, it’s finally for everyone!

                        The video is creepy, already experienced a monster, wildly wanted to take revenge ... and take revenge unceasingly ...
                        You need to watch the video in such a way that you leave yourself an untouchable grenade, if you suddenly have to experience it ... To look at the last in the puppy eyes of these nonhumans ...
                        T ... cook ...

                        The boys are so sorry, so sorry .............................
                      3. +7
                        13 August 2012 13: 23
                        Angry Tatar,
                        Quote: Angry Tatar
                        The boys are so sorry, so sorry .............................

                        4 soldier and officer!
                        according to my unverified data, this is not the whole video, part of the video is cut out, because there is a friend of the Kremlin Ramzan in person! I saw this video completely! back in the 1 war period! I can remember!

                        and I went there with a grateka, with my native eF-oh! just in case!
                      4. SIT
                        +5
                        13 August 2012 17: 03
                        Quote: Baron Wrangel
                        and the Caucasus, my opinion, it was necessary to bring troops to the mountains, and make the border! let them run in their mountains!

                        In the video, the level of training of the command and modern equipment of the army is first of all striking. In the first frames, the convoy is captured. Why did the reconnaissance not pass along the ridges, having data of fresh digital video and infrared aerial photography, and did not check the detected targets? Why on the main paths of the convoy passage area there are no TCOs with information transfer to the central information collection center on a three-dimensional digital image of the terrain? why are the convoys marching without air cover of fire support helicopters!?!? Any ambush and especially a "horseshoe" turns into a cemetery in 15 minutes. Do you lack your own strength, that there is no stormtroopers on duty in the air? After them, there just do just the relief will remain, God forbid his have time to escape. How the fuck can these freaking shepherds just survive if a regular army is fighting against them!?!? Because the methods of warfare are the same as in the 30s of the last century! Do not leave any mountains to anyone! In winter, to survive in the mountains unnoticed now when using a satellite-drone data collection system - ground-based TCO is IMPOSSIBLE! They will kill all tries in a week and try to surrender as a prisoner when, at the exits of the forest and bushes near the settlements, snipers just knock down everything that moves and the locals do not step into this forest.
                      5. September
                        +2
                        13 August 2012 23: 01
                        I'm afraid just a bribe.

                        and give their own.
                      6. Karabekir
                        -3
                        14 August 2012 08: 08
                        Quote: SIT
                        . How blah these fucking shepherds can just survive if the regular army is fighting against them!?!? Because the methods of warfare as in the 30s of the last century! Do not leave any mountains to anyone! In winter, to survive in the mountains unnoticed now when using the satellite-drone data-acquisition system - ground-based TSS is IMPOSSIBLE!

                        Well, and I thought only I think so for 17 years now !!
                      7. s1н7т
                        0
                        14 August 2012 01: 19
                        Not, as Vysotsky sang - "these are our mountains." And there is nothing to "run" there to anyone. And if someone does not like this postulate - the court, the article, the North. Well, it should be that way anyway.
                      8. Sergeant Air Force
                        +10
                        13 August 2012 13: 28
                        I would not be in your place all Caucasians called Kami. It’s not worth putting everyone in a row. Yes, we have a lot of idiots. There are also such persons as you indicated. But they are in all nations. And honestly, I would not say that among the Russians there are few of them. This is the time now. What do you think, the rest are not cattle. I can give a lot of examples. You see, you judge the remaining 5% by 95%. And this indicates your limited horizons and immaturity. Or do you think that atrocities, such as those on the presented videos, are not made by Russians. Come on you. Open your eyes wide. It is necessary to unite, and not vice versa. With advice, everyone lived well. And no one bothered anyone. And your statements and Andrei from Tver are complete nonsense. And even more so, to kill everyone in the Caucasus is generally bullshit. In no case should the Caucasus be separated. This is the land of Russia. In general, this national question has already bothered me. First get rid of your shortcomings, and then insult others. About a speck and a log is relevant for you. Negative to health
                      9. s1н7т
                        0
                        14 August 2012 01: 24
                        Air Force Sergeant, you're 95% right, plus!
                  2. Evil Tatar
                    +7
                    13 August 2012 12: 26
                    Quote: Andrey from Tver
                    Not in an adult way - this does not notice the Caucasian problem.

                    There is nothing to object to, and there is no need. It is right...
                    Quote: Joker
                    My friend lives in Dagestan, I come to visit him, but I don’t go in Russian folk costumes and don’t dance Russian folk dances in the square and I don’t wail that I am Russian, but they do it, hence attitude is.

                    Well, do not plagiarize ... That’s exactly what I wrote here with such words for a long time ...
                    I agree - just the thoughts and the right conclusions are about the same for everyone ...
                    Quote: Joker
                    Excuse me, but I would throw the whole Caucasus to hell with dogs, build a wall on the border in the manner of Israel, enter Russia only by visa, and send those who live in Russia for less than 5 years to their historical homeland only problems alone, and that supposedly the oil that they have, but the people do not care about it, they want to live in peace, we have enough of our own oil.

                    Look, colleagues - that's what the enemy of Russia says ...
                    "Give the Kemsky volost? Why are you bastard in charge of Russian lands?" - even a thief, a burglar with a Polish surname, understood in the famous film that this was a betrayal of the interests of the Motherland, which it was not you the Joker who collected in parts, you did not pour blood, sweat and tears ...

                    Let me remind you that more recently, the Joker was a "sent Cossack" ... oh))))
                    ranger from Alaska, through the strait, Chukotka, and still fell in the rain into the Urals ...
                    Hello American Shypien. Ali is a massada agent?

                    Stitch, having thrown off the troll’s raincoat, why do you want to give our Caucasus and to whom?
                    1. -1
                      13 August 2012 13: 11
                      To begin with, I don’t think I should go over to insults, am I a ranger? Well, thank you, I’m not often ranked among special forces wink
                      Let me remind you that more recently, the Joker was a "sent Cossack" ... oh))))

                      where are the facts? these are your speculations and nothing more.

                      To whom should the Caucasus be given? Yes to ourselves, let them live there according to the law of the mountains, because they wanted and what they wanted, I didn’t shed blood, I won’t argue, but tell me what is the use of the Caucasus? And how much comrade Stalin wanted to evict them all to the north? And remember what methods he kept them in check, do you think someone will now be affected by these methods? It is not necessary to give or release anything else, we have one region that is problematic is the Caucasus. Do you disagree with me?
                      1. s1н7т
                        +1
                        14 August 2012 01: 28
                        And from Moscow in general one harm, let’s give it back too! Then Kazan will stretch, the Circassians ... Children's reasoning. Minus.
                      2. Evil Tatar
                        +1
                        14 August 2012 06: 39
                        Quote: Joker
                        To begin with, I don’t think I should go over to insults, am I a ranger? Well, thank you, I’m not often ranked among special forces

                        Yes, I didn’t even start insulting, it’s such an evil Tatar joke of humor, no more ... But the ranger is not praise, but the determination of possible affiliation ...
                        Quote: Joker
                        we have one problem region is the Caucasus. Do you disagree with me?

                        I don’t agree ... There are problems in many regions ... And the Caucasus cannot be generalized as a whole ... And if we begin to solve them as you propose, then there will be even more of them (problems) ...
                        Chechnya is the weakest place, and Chechens do not like many ethnic groups of the Caucasus, and not just Russians ...
                        Therefore, in Chechnya and a rod for the grandmother from "friends", and not for the sake of some kind of freedom there, every rabble, rocking the situation over and over again ... This is where serious work of the state is needed, without emotions, and especially national screeching ...
                        Work to protect the peaceful shepherds of Chechnya, women, children, Russians and non-Russians ...
                        Death to nonhumans without trial, investigation and amnesties, in the name of peace and stability.
                        Which, in general, is what the state is currently doing ...
                        And the reduction in funding is a test of immunity, which was supposed to create such as Kadyrov ... And if it turns out that he could not cope, then I think they will change, but they are unlikely to be fooled before him, especially Putin.
                        I hope so, like many who are not indifferent to this topic.
                3. September
                  0
                  13 August 2012 22: 59
                  I did not think about those bandages ..
                4. s1н7т
                  0
                  14 August 2012 01: 15
                  Is a policeman without a bandage a policeman? logics!
              2. +5
                13 August 2012 12: 08
                Andrey from Tver.
                I agree with you 100%. Look how these "principalities" live at the expense of injections from the Kremlin !? Cars with Caucasian license plates pass through us in a continuous stream and carry lumber from our forest. There you can already chop everything off and you can beat up everything already! I can't fix the fence on my retirement - I have no money, or go and steal stupidly ... So half of the sawmills also belong to Caucasians .... I still want to live!
                And they’ll put white bandages on the police without hesitation ... Money and power, they don’t need anything else. Let him be a shepherd yesterday, and today he has risen and already a hero .... Therefore, Nezloy Tatar)), there is no need for attacks on model haircuts)) Personally, I am only for peace and friendship, but when they constantly come running at me and at the expense of me pay for the lives of other peoples, I do not really like it ....
                1. +9
                  13 August 2012 12: 36
                  Caucasians export, and allow them to export, the Russians — the head of the leshoz, the head of the district, the governor. The problem is corruption, not Caucasians.
            2. September
              -1
              13 August 2012 22: 58
              Jews are also to blame for their furnaces.
          2. upasika1918
            +2
            13 August 2012 12: 56
            Andrey from Tver. You wrote: "..in original Russian regions ..". Please specify since what time. 100, 300, 1000 years, before the birth of Christ? Or since the time of Moses? Do not consider it a mockery, have you ever tried to translate the following place names into Russian: Moscow, Yauza, Ruza, Kama, Volga, Oka, Meschera, Kolomna. Kaluga, Pskov, Psel, Izhora, Neva, Ladoga, Valdai, Onega, Kimry. Tver, Urengoy, Amur, Ob, Yenisei, Kolyma, Angara, Baikal, Sayany Altai, Ural, Tynda, and so on and so forth?
            ,
          3. +1
            14 August 2012 07: 26
            I know many people from Caucasia, they are quite adequate normal people, they bring up children who work, but those "citizens" who do not want to live in peace and do not allow others to live in peace are definitely to fish on New Land. The only way!!!
        4. s1н7т
          0
          14 August 2012 01: 09
          It’s always bad to fight, I agree. And now, it seems, there’s not even a reason)
      2. soldat1945
        +13
        13 August 2012 08: 09
        Yamadaev was the only counterbalance to Kadyrov in Chechnya, Budanov was an excellent commander, Baysarov could openly object to Kadyrov, tronin.maxim which of them is a terrorist, explain!
        1. +17
          13 August 2012 08: 42
          Budanov (do not consider it blasphemy, but the analogy suggests itself!) Is Jesus of the Chechen war. He is crucified for the sins of both sides. Forgive us Hero!
        2. kapitan_21
          +18
          13 August 2012 08: 43
          Quote: soldat1945
          Budanov was an excellent commander

          I agree!
          Budanov would be a Russian officer and an excellent regiment commander! And the word "terrorist" has nothing to do with him! Thanks to him, a large number of guys returned from Chechnya alive!
          1. s1н7т
            0
            14 August 2012 01: 34
            Yeah How many people, so many opinions. My comrade had been talking with Budanov in Chechnya for quite some time. If I hadn’t drank, I would have been a man, but they already began to fear this. But not a terrorist, that's for sure. It was just that he had to be removed from the army and on time.
      3. +5
        13 August 2012 12: 05
        Budanov is also a terrorist? .. belay

        Minus to you however, dear tronin.maxim...
        1. Karabekir
          -3
          14 August 2012 17: 39
          Quote: Chicot 1

          Budanov is also a terrorist?

          he is a criminal!
          He killed not only that Chechen girl, but beat his officer half to death for refusing to execute a criminal order, and then threw him into the pit, if I am not mistaken, the commander of a company of scouts !!
          In many ways, I think because of this, this business has unfolded so quickly!
      4. andrey903
        +3
        13 August 2012 13: 53
        Incidentally, the Yamadayev heroes of Russia, Baysarov, Major-General of the FSB (he saw ksiv himself), he was taken aback by the FSO. The security was removed a week before the murder. The curators from the FSB called Baysarov to a meeting, and there he was received by the Kadyrovites
      5. s1н7т
        0
        14 August 2012 01: 08
        Who?! Yamadaev - Hero of Russia, Budanov - when sober, he was generally an excellent regiment ... Who are the terrorists ?! Only a plus to earn, yes? And think about it?
      6. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
        +1
        14 August 2012 09: 42
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Because they are terrorists!


        It seems that Chechens simply cannot live without war. It doesn’t matter to anyone who bleeds it: the Chechen, the Ingush, the Russian - the main thing is that it flows.
      7. 0
        14 August 2012 17: 50
        Because they are terrorists!

        What kind of terrorists in FIG? Who is heresy plus? By such criteria, Kadyrov himself is a terrorist. Many of them are former army men and FSB officers.
    2. +10
      13 August 2012 09: 29
      Quote: andrey903
      Kadir has a license to shoot objectionable throughout the world. Recall the Yamadayevs, Baysarov, Budanov, and many others


      but Yevkurov is more educated, more experienced and more cunning. In the words of O. Bender, youth or experience?
      1. +12
        13 August 2012 09: 32
        Quote: vorobey
        In the words of O. Bender, youth or experience?

        Hello Sasha! You need to put it on experience, Kadyrov’s youth has nothing to do with it, it’s just that the Federal Government has granted him a lot of rights, which he will regret over time ...
        1. +7
          13 August 2012 09: 39
          Hello Victor, you're right. Looking at him and the rest begin to pursue a tighter policy.
      2. +1
        13 August 2012 12: 03
        Well, here the analogy is not the same, money-education is more suitable, it is already clear who will win.
    3. s1н7т
      0
      14 August 2012 01: 05
      They made the "rat king", nothing new. First, it will shoot its enemies. then - who will be indicated, then ... And then - that's it, time is up laughing
  2. rinzhak
    +10
    13 August 2012 07: 52
    Kadyrov was mired in luxury, and this is why he is weak before the so-called Islamic radicals. He is really afraid of them, and therefore surrounded himself with a large horde of bodyguards.
    1. +1
      13 August 2012 08: 58
      rinzhak:
      And how do you imagine the fight against terrorists? Does he have to fight with them alone? He has before his eyes an example of the death of his father ...
      1. rinzhak
        +13
        13 August 2012 09: 05
        Quote: baron.nn
        And how do you imagine the fight against terrorists?

        First you need to understand where the phenomenon itself comes from - terrorism ...
        So, having understood that, as a rule, a power is behind all terrorists, then you need to fight against a power, and not against bearded ones ...
        Quote: baron.nn
        Does he have to fight with them alone?

        Kadyrov or what?
        It seemed to me that the Russian soldier brought peace to his land. Shamanov was right in this (see video)


        Quote: baron.nn
        He has before his eyes an example of the death of his father ...

        too many questions how and who eliminated it ...
        1. bachast
          +7
          13 August 2012 09: 58
          Note in what tone Shamanov speaks. In the tone of the owner, "The Russian soldier was wounded (!)"
          Today in Chechnya you won’t report that ..
          1. rinzhak
            +9
            13 August 2012 10: 02
            Quote: bachast
            Note in what tone Shamanov speaks. In the tone of the owner, "The Russian soldier was wounded (!)"
            Today in Chechnya you won’t report that ..

            it depends on whom and to whom: the Russian general always speaks in the same tone, and if something doesn’t reach someone, then you can also connect artillery, for persuasiveness. As practice shows, self-confident and cool people start to chew ties and ask for help, and nervously swallow combostres laughing
            1. bachast
              0
              13 August 2012 10: 06
              A little later I saw the exact opposite situation. And even in this tone even the generals did not talk. How many skirmishes were with the Kadyrovites ..
              1. CEO
                CEO
                +6
                13 August 2012 10: 37
                I wonder where you saw this ???? For example, I also saw a clash with the Kadyrovites. And the military showed themselves worthy. I saw it directly in Chechnya. And the phrase "even the generals did not speak" betrays lies in your words, at least gives reason to doubt what was said.
                1. bachast
                  -1
                  13 August 2012 10: 40
                  Itum-Kale, for example, Shatoi district. And you ????
                  1. CEO
                    CEO
                    +3
                    13 August 2012 11: 22
                    Itum Kale is the Itumkalinsky municipal district. Chatoy is 20 km from there.
                    Right in Itum Kale itself ?? I saw it in Gukhoye - it's right near Dugankort, if you know where it is, on the other side of the village. Detachment - call sign "seven-seater". I was sent to help them. And what generals could not say anything ???? Do not tell me the last names ??? Let's let them know. By the way, I trampled that area with my feet, I still dream)))))) And Viduchi and Tazbichi, Gukhoy, Hauchi.
                    1. bachast
                      0
                      13 August 2012 11: 45
                      Itum-Kale, for example, Shatoi district
                      And why did I put the comma? Yes, at the exit from Itum-Kale in the direction of Ushkaloy, I saw and participated in this. But where in the Gukhoi detachment, I don’t know. He was not there when he was born. Leading through e are written if they were ?? They saw the plate ... I also walked there and I know the upper lower Tasbichi and I remember Bugaroy, Konzhukhoy, Guchum-kale, Zumsoy for my whole life (not in rainbow colors) But I did not see the "seven-year" detachment)) And the generals, that the commandant And you only confirm that the Kadyrovites are impudent, so who speaks to them in the spirit of Shamanov?
                      Did Izmail know the huckster?
                      1. CEO
                        CEO
                        +1
                        13 August 2012 15: 14
                        There was no detachment in Gohoy in the sense that there were no subdivisions. And the work was done there. And the "seven hundredth" is not a border guard))))) These are specialists)))) And who are you to know about this detachment ??? I don’t know your huckster, and in general I punished fighters for using them.
                      2. bachast
                        +1
                        13 August 2012 15: 32
                        There was no detachment in Gohoy in the sense that there were no units

                        What am I talking about? And for frontierI didn’t say a word by the way (it simply can’t be there). I’m just curious that you bring in the argument of the call sign of the unit that was there. Well, isn’t it stupid? Once you went to ORM and what?
                        Where are you based, by the way?You tell me very interestingly for the specialists ... But I say because I really went there and know where who worked. Tell me the year, I wonder what kind of group I worked. I don’t remember the special operations there from the secondment specialists? And who was helped just as interesting .. .
                      3. CEO
                        CEO
                        0
                        13 August 2012 17: 06
                        I ask you the same questions ?????? Tell me a friend who of the cops first got up in Itum Kale ??? You probably don’t know. And we covered their entrance. And then they set up barriers and slept us with a brain saying where and why they went)))) I don’t know what about that group except the call sign from where they are and what they did there. They had a conflict and they didn’t hide, but went to aggravation is all that I can tell you. The rest is not for printing. I started the service of the commanders in there))))
                        Once went))))) Pravdoane I can understand what ORM. Apparently then they came up with.
                      4. bachast
                        +1
                        13 August 2012 17: 50
                        Well, he decided to catch me in a lie, he started so cheerfully, but in the end you jump ... You have nothing to say for sure? And why? Because there are three options where you could be based. Fortress in Ushkaloe, commandant's office a few kilometers south of Itum -Kale and the cops at the checkpoint, that's all. And it seems that you belong to the cops) The second question is just as interesting. You covered some kind of entrance of the cops ... What was there to cover? You don't just say that you are from the "first landing party "on Itum-Kale)) And along the way you are probably from Krasnoyarsk) Normally you covered them (it is not clear who) that they also endured your brain ..

                        I don’t know anything about that group except the call sign from where they are who they are and what they did there. They had a conflict and they didn’t hide, but they went to aggravation is all I can tell you

                        In general, your story makes me smile, by the way, and not by accident about your graters with Kadyrovtsy?
                      5. CEO
                        CEO
                        0
                        14 August 2012 09: 37
                        Well, firstly, the first cops in Utum Kale came somewhere if my memory does not disappear (Already more than 12 years have passed), April-April 2000. And the Krasnoyarsk were intrusions. The first were Novosibirsk. By that time, there had already been no strong clashes, but the numbness along the road at the heights was scattered three days before their arrival. As soon as the cops drove us off. Probably Ashurov was reinsured. I repeat for those who do not understand.
                        I have nothing to do with cops. I entered the territory of Chechnya in September 1999, and entered the territory of Chechnya in June 2000. Is this the first or what kind of "landing"?
                        Quote: bachast
                        In general, your story makes me smile, by the way, and not by accident about your graters with Kadyrovtsy?

                        And I have yours)))) For you are talking about graters in which words could not be said and boast of it. Or I misunderstood you.
                      6. bachast
                        0
                        14 August 2012 10: 16
                        In short, it’s enough to argue. The first landing party had in mind the paratroopers who took Itum-Kale. Did they fight for half a year? And I saw more events longer and therefore next time do not start with insults
                        I wonder where you saw it ???? gives lies in your words, at least gives reason to doubt what was said.

                        I didn’t say that our fighters didn’t behave in skirmishes with Kadyrov’s men. I just said that they’re not talking in Chechnya in a tone like Shamanov. After 2000-2001, they started to put pressure on the military from above. what was not considered the event in the first place, locals increasingly turned to the prosecutor’s office. You won’t do a shot just like that. And after the cancellation of the CTO, it’s even sadder. And the arrogance of the Kadyrov’s only confirms it, there’s no one to talk to them like Shamanov. All
                      7. bachast
                        +1
                        13 August 2012 17: 51
                        You did not serve here for an hour?))
                      8. CEO
                        CEO
                        0
                        14 August 2012 08: 47
                        When I had this fortress was not))))))))))))))
                      9. bachast
                        0
                        14 August 2012 10: 19
                        Well, yes, they organized a post there later
                    2. bachast
                      +1
                      13 August 2012 12: 02
                      By the way, I have a photo of Gukh, from one walk
                      1. CEO
                        CEO
                        +1
                        14 August 2012 10: 07
                        Just those places.
                      2. bachast
                        +1
                        14 August 2012 10: 50

                        Just those places.

                        Maybe the road is the same
                      3. CEO
                        CEO
                        0
                        14 August 2012 11: 24
                        maybe the same.
                    3. bachast
                      -1
                      13 August 2012 17: 53
                      And then they set up barriers and slept us with a brain saying where so why did we go

                      And so they met us for some reason
                  2. rinzhak
                    +4
                    13 August 2012 11: 22
                    Quote: bachast
                    Itum-Kale, for example, Shatoi district. And you ????

                    what is Itum-Kala, what is Shatoy? More specifically, what case do you know that a Russian soldier and a Russian general "saved" in the war?
                    ps in 2000, the 6th company of the 2nd battalion, 104th Guards Airborne Regiment, 76th Pskov Airborne Division heroically held a height of 776 in the Shatoysky district of Chechnya. Where are you there, the weakness of the soldiers, I did not understand something ...
                    1. bachast
                      -2
                      13 August 2012 11: 50
                      You just don’t want to watch such videos, right? Don’t catch on the fact that you heard somewhere
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQusB--Ow_U
                      1. rinzhak
                        -1
                        13 August 2012 12: 08
                        Quote: bachast
                        You just don’t want to watch such videos, right? Don’t catch on the fact that you heard somewhere
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQusB--Ow_U

                        funny link, that's just what on this low-quality and staged video in the role of the so-called Russian soldiers local aul dzhigitiki? And so the work of the director for the C grade ....
                2. bachast
                  -1
                  13 August 2012 16: 27
                  Well, the military was blown away? Something ran in .. With the Kadyrovites in Gukh he met) Next time, think who to hang the noodles
                  1. Karabekir
                    -2
                    14 August 2012 08: 01
                    I read your polemic,
                    Bachast I will probably support you!
                    I have been reading your comments for a long time, I have not seen you write a lie.
                    in this case, too, apparently you are better informed!
                    I will say so and the Russian and Chechens were and are different, however, like all nations!
        2. +2
          13 August 2012 15: 38
          rinzhak:
          All these sponsors of terrorism have long been known. Only to fight with them means to fight with half the world. and the reasons are known. But for some reason, for many years, neither the funding channels were blocked, nor the conditions for recruitment uprooted! Peace came to Chechnya with a Russian soldier. But the Chechens also contributed a lot.
      2. zh1
        +1
        13 August 2012 23: 51
        He doesn’t fight at all with terrorists. Only with competitors ...
    2. +4
      13 August 2012 09: 35
      Quote: rinzhak
      Kadyrov mired in luxury


      C'mon, allowed here and enjoy
      1. rinzhak
        +6
        13 August 2012 09: 40
        Quote: Vadivak
        C'mon, allowed here and enjoy

        I agree with such a policy of the Kremlin in the North Caucasus, but only as a kind of transitional, or more correctly, burning stage. If nothing happens, a class struggle will begin in Russia itself, poor Russia against rich Chechnya. And in this fight, Kadyrov will lose ...
  3. +8
    13 August 2012 08: 04
    But Stalin wanted to evict all Chechens to the north, perhaps correctly ... How much money they unfasten there, no one knows ...
    1. +4
      13 August 2012 08: 26
      Chechenov to the north, of course, is a good idea, but do you know that since then and to this day most of the gold mines under their control ?!
      1. s1н7т
        -1
        14 August 2012 01: 42
        Hmm. One has nothing to do with the other. Who told you that?
  4. +3
    13 August 2012 08: 15
    The fact is that the concept of terrorism is beneficial to the leaders of the Caucasus republics. For terrorism an ordinary crime is issued. They just don’t want to get their hands dirty and fight in places, they called the terrorist attack and the federal flats are doing this.
  5. +17
    13 August 2012 08: 22
    Kadyrov - a field commander and Russians slaughtered like dogs, and the Kremlin bought him as the most powerful bandit, didn’t get the right price with Jahar, they didn’t agree on the price or something else .. Yevkurov was a military man, he did not betray Russia ... Although he was not a present either ...
    PS: SchA on minusyut, fighters "for justice" wink
    1. DIMS
      +1
      13 August 2012 08: 45
      Dudaev’s hands commanded the field commanders close to the Islamists. He disturbed them.
    2. s1н7т
      -1
      14 August 2012 01: 51
      There’s another moment - Yevkurov quite successfully fought in Chechnya. And although it’s really not a gift, he knows the price of Kadyrov. That's the whole relationship problem.
  6. +13
    13 August 2012 08: 46
    Quote: aksai61
    Kadyrov - a field commander and Russians slaughtered like dogs, and the Kremlin bought him as the most powerful bandit

    I agree! Kadrov himself was a field commander, and when he was in office, his detachment was distinguished by special cruelty and mockery of prisoners. By the way, there are stories on the internet, you can search and see. For his crimes, he would really have a life prison, but there is no amnesty! And our military to trial! and where is justice.
    And dad picked it up, he would not have climbed anywhere. And so it is moldy and hot, and indeed mired in luxury.
    1. +6
      13 August 2012 09: 41
      Guys, scouts, have told me so much about this Russian hero .... Their hands itch too for revenge on comrades, only Moscow will not allow .. bully
  7. grizzlir
    +17
    13 August 2012 08: 56
    There are 2 solutions to the Chechen question. Separation of Chechnya and Ingushetia and the introduction of tight control for citizens of these republics when crossing the border with Russia. Or the total destruction of the entire population. before the new Caucasian war. Russia regularly pays tribute, but there are no special volunteers in these republics, even if there are free vacancies.
    dmitriygorshkov Relieve tension in the region by creating jobs ??? As our agents declare !!! Who is there when you were going to WORK ???
    1. DIMS
      +2
      13 August 2012 09: 50
      And what other of the Russian lands are you going to separate? Maybe Kamchatka, anyway, no use to them, just losses.

      As for the availability of jobs, to put it mildly, you exaggerated
      1. grizzlir
        +8
        13 August 2012 11: 30
        And what kind of lands and peoples on the territory of Russia have been fighting for many centuries with the Russian people? And about jobs, I spoke about the times of the Union, while the Chechens didn’t really want to work. The work there was mainly Russian.
        1. DIMS
          +1
          13 August 2012 15: 59
          It is not collected by you, and not by you to distribute. And it somehow turns out strangely, the Chechen insurgents and the Moscow "patriots" have one desire - the North. Caucasus from Russia.
        2. s1н7т
          -1
          14 August 2012 01: 53
          Well, life experience is not a guarantee of the mind, however!
      2. zh1
        -1
        14 August 2012 00: 04
        Do not separate, but destroy everyone. Or they will gradually destroy us. All.
    2. bachast
      +3
      13 August 2012 09: 51
      There are 2 solutions to the Chechen question
      in Soviet times, for some reason there was a third option
      1. grizzlir
        +5
        13 August 2012 11: 28
        Now, unfortunately, it’s not the time of the USSR, try driving in the Caucasians ideology. They will openly laugh.
    3. John
      +4
      13 August 2012 09: 57
      grizzlir,

      The first option for Russia is absolutely disastrous.
      Second: in this case, we must begin with the Kremlin. We were betrayed at the very top to the second company, proof of this is the Wolf Gate in December 99th. In 2000, in early February, in Grozny, according to intelligence at that time, there were about 10000 thousand fighters who fabulously disappeared through the ring of our federal forces and were subsequently not destroyed in the mountains. And finally, will you take on such a responsibility? This is pure genocide.

      Emotions are emotions, but you don’t have to lose your mind.

      There is a third way out, but this is not for the media.
    4. Evil Tatar
      +2
      13 August 2012 10: 03
      Quote: grizzlir
      Or total destruction of the entire population. Choose who you like.

      And which option is closer to you?
      This proposal is not Russian, but if Russian, then not far ...
      Excuse me, my dear ...

      And destroy women, children, and the elderly? Who will do this? Russian soldier? Or attract mercenaries from the Arabs?
      Oh well...
      1. grizzlir
        +11
        13 August 2012 11: 23
        The first one is closer to me. If you would immediately separate Chechnya from Russia, equip the border, evict Chechen citizens from Russia, this would save a lot of money and most importantly the lives of our children. . No matter how good the situation in the Caucasus seems, as soon as a war takes place in Russia, Caucasian dzhigits take the side of the invaders. History has proved that. Do you think if this has been happening for centuries, now something has changed? They want independence, let them get it. Just don't let them come to us, let the sheep graze there in their place.
        1. Andrey96
          +5
          13 August 2012 11: 40
          Everything is written correctly! Their anthill fussed, now they have spread all over Russia, now they themselves are not happy.
        2. John
          +1
          13 August 2012 12: 00
          grizzlir,

          How you suffered Victor)))

          In your scenario, Sharia would flourish in Chechnya and Dagestan. And we would not have fought in the Caucasus, but now in Tatarstan, and this is at best.
          Or do you order Tatarstan to separate too and fence around them with barbed wire?

          Eccentric You are a man.
          1. grizzlir
            +4
            13 August 2012 12: 32
            Do not compare Chechnya and Tatarstan. A very inappropriate comparison. Apart from the general religion, I don’t see anything in common between Chechens and Tatars. What kind of Sharia would be in the Caucasus? If we granted them autonomy and closed the border, there would now be a feudal system. Many feudal principalities under the control of teips, who were constantly biting each other. Radical Islamic ideas came to Chechnya just on the basis of fighting infidels. Every Islamic rabble came out just at the time when we started active hostilities.
            Eccentric you are a person if you do not see the obvious.
            1. John
              -4
              13 August 2012 12: 44
              Victor, I see no reason to continue the dialogue with you.
              No offense, but the impression is that you have in your forehead armor of five packs of margarine.
              1. grizzlir
                +6
                13 August 2012 12: 53
                Yes, when I studied the Caucasian issue, Chechen customs and their attitude towards Russians I had armor in front of my forehead. Layered, DZ, a layer of steel, a layer of sand rods and another layer of steel. And I was only happy with such armor. And the opinion that we are there nothing will be achieved, in the best case, reconciliation before a new war, developed among many who traveled with me along the Caucasus.
              2. s1н7т
                -2
                14 August 2012 01: 58
                He has a screw loose. He needs a doctor, not a forum.
          2. DIMS
            0
            13 August 2012 16: 08
            Exactly. They will not stop. There is money, there are those who know nothing but how to fight. The creation of the Imrat Caucasus after separation, they will not be limited.
        3. Evil Tatar
          +2
          13 August 2012 12: 59
          Quote: grizzlir
          Just do not let them in to us, let the sheep graze there in their place.

          Thinking, I agree - there is some semblance of solving a big problem ...

          And let into Russia only proven adequate.
  8. +4
    13 August 2012 09: 00
    All power in the republics rests on individuals. Take one away - there will be uncertainty ... The system is not visible! Is it possible in our conditions? ...
  9. Vasily79
    +5
    13 August 2012 09: 09
    The Kadyrov Kremlin (Putin) was nurtured to counter militants and mercenaries, but don’t forget that they belong to the FSB’s estate since Soviet times, and Gantomirov Yamadayev, Baysarov are GRU officers and look where they are and what the GRU is. Yevkurov is a military man, he is the only leader in Ingushetia who is able to restrain the redistribution of Ingushetia. And if a fight starts between the Ingush and the Czechs, oh how the Czechs are not lucky, the Ingush and Ossetians have long been considered the most cruel nations in the Caucasus
  10. +13
    13 August 2012 09: 16
    The author raised a very good question; not to notice it would not be excusable.
    In my opinion I emphasize everything all regions and not only Ingushetia and Chechnya should be guided in their activities primarily by the Constitution and federal laws of the Russian Federation.
    Any friction between the subjects of the federation must be stopped at the root and at an early stage.
    1. +5
      13 August 2012 12: 13
      It would be someone to do it.
    2. Karabekir
      0
      14 August 2012 08: 04
      Quote: Apollon
      all regions and not only Ingushetia and Chechnya should be guided in their activities primarily by the Constitution and federal laws of the Russian Federation.
      The most robust comment on the topic !!
      dear Apollo to you ++++++++
  11. +1
    13 August 2012 09: 45
    But this popularity, to be honest, he achieved not only because of his "special" policy, but also because of the generous federal funding from Moscow. Here the "dog" is buried.
  12. User777
    +5
    13 August 2012 10: 12
    It is unlikely that this "verbal skirmish" will have wider consequences. The press likes to "make an elephant out of a fly." Now the main media is not to create a fuss about this situation, otherwise the Western press will play on this and expose (inflate) this topic, which will entail negative consequences for Russia.
    I think everything will work out.
    The election of the heads of the constituent entities of the federation - this is nothing our politicians returned.
    1. John
      +2
      13 August 2012 10: 18
      User777,

      Mistakes are made (or intentionally) by politicians, and the guys die.
    2. s1н7т
      0
      14 August 2012 02: 07
      Election is spelled out in the Constitution, if that. Did not try to read the Basic Law? And if ... someone cannot preserve the integrity of the country, then the question is to those fagots who voted for them. Or is the election of the Head of State also canceled? Oh, for the company) logic! It is necessary to forbid you to vote - life will improve in the country)
  13. 0
    13 August 2012 10: 16
    The master will come, the master will judge them. Farmers have always quarreled with herders. Conflict between fathers and children. You can advise, you can not get in. An official always wants to show the work with a report. But ... Whose cavalry captured the prize, he is right. Let the explosion be "unintentional", but the Chechens on the spot were the first in Ingushetia !? This means that operational work in Chechnya is at its best. There are Jews and Jews in Israel, but the MOSSAD is one. I think hot guys will make up.
  14. oldmen1973
    0
    13 August 2012 10: 31
    Article plus. The problem really, in my opinion, is gaining momentum. Kadyrov is "burrowing" and this is becoming more obvious. I do not argue - the destruction of terrorists wherever they are (even on Mars) is a necessary and useful thing. But, again, in my opinion, this should be done within the limits of your competence. If you are in charge of the republic, do your homework. The work of the authorities with neighbors is not correct, advise them, it does not help, contact the federal authorities. But what happens is, first, the security forces controlled by you put things in order at the neighbors, then, dissatisfied with the work of the authorities, somewhere in the Middle Volga region, let's eat there to fight extremism?
  15. anchonsha
    +1
    13 August 2012 11: 01
    The press, yes, apparently the author of this article, Volodin, probably there is nothing more to discuss, since they began to escalate the consequences of the vicious skirmish of the two Caucasian leaders. And this is against the background of already not brilliant successes in the Caucasus. These hot guys will make peace, because this is one thing. You just don’t have to get into their squabbles and make something unusual out of them, which is only in the hands of Berezovsky and Umarov.
  16. +1
    13 August 2012 11: 18
    well, it’s begun. Of course, the Caucasus itself is a difficult region, but Kadyrov himself needs to be taught diplomacy and politics. And I believe that this conflict (if it really takes place, and not invented by the media) needs to be hushed up urgently. who, as always, will talk about his democracy and begin to use it.
  17. +1
    13 August 2012 11: 59
    "I would like to believe that this whole conflict is a temporary cloudiness that will quickly dissipate." ......... good words, we must strive for peace ................ .all such correct and belligerent takes
  18. +5
    13 August 2012 12: 12
    Let's face it - Kadyrov snickered. Moreover, snickered overhaul. That’s the whole point of the conflict. A guy climbs a tut where he is not needed in FIG, and where they can figure it out without him ...
    By and large, he needs to leave. And leave as quickly as possible and better. Otherwise, we run the risk of getting a completely uncontrollable leader with big claims for power and money almost in the center of the Caucasus ...
  19. Suvorov000
    0
    13 August 2012 12: 16
    It will be interesting if Putin applies the "divide and rule" method and pit them against each other
  20. OSTAP BENDER
    +1
    13 August 2012 13: 07
    This should be taken seriously, the Anglo-Saxons are sleeping and seeing the Caucasus blaze, and they will throw some money in the firebox, there is no doubt!
  21. +9
    13 August 2012 13: 07
    The situation is actually extremely difficult. Faced two approaches to power, two completely different education. Kadyrov was brought up on the example of his father at a time when in Chechnya there was only one right-machine right and his teip occupied, and now it occupies a leading position in Chechnya. In essence, the rule in Chechnya is the rule of a leading clan (teip) on the more civilized and foundations of a blood feud that are brought under the constitution and legislative base. It will not work out differently yet. Too much blood from other teips has been spilled. Take Kadyrov away from power, the bloodlines will kill him the next day and a full orgy will begin in the republic. Do we need this? No, don’t. It is better to gradually introduce Chechnya into the mainstream of the civilized, constitutional field of Russia.
    Another conversation is Yevkurov. The personnel officer of the Soviet school. The hero of the Pristina campaign of our paratroopers in Yugoslavia. I personally knew him when he was ours. headquarters 217 guards. RAP in the city of Ivanovo. A statesman to the marrow of bones. A man who is trying to raise Ingushetia from a black hole on a legislative basis. In addition, Ingushetia, unlike Chechnya, never (at least officially) left the legal field of the Russian Federation, which means that Yevkurov could not act like Kadyrov, even if he had such a desire.
    Now, the Kremlin really faces the daunting task of finding a compromise between the two leaders and building a common Caucasian line of conduct for the country's leadership. I hope Putin can solve this problem.
    1. +1
      13 August 2012 14: 28
      Victor, I agree with your opinion.
  22. upasika1918
    +4
    13 August 2012 13: 32
    I read the comments. Budanov is often mentioned. Not only on the website of V.O. I don’t remember on which TV channel. There was an interview with Yu. Budanov from the front line. It happened to me personally that the colonel was not quite adequate. By that time, he had already been wounded and had two concussions (according to the interviewed journalist). Higher-ranking commanders were to recall the colonel from the front line, give rest and recover. In the case of Yu. Budanov, there should have been more defendants on the bench. And further. Politicians start wars. They came up with the terms: "War Criminals", "Crimes against Humanity", etc. etc. Since then, the warriors (SOLDIERS, in the highest sense of the word) have become scapegoats. After Nyurberg, as a result of the courts, only the military was punished. The politicians (only the defeated side) did not survive until the verdicts. The trial of S. Hussein cannot be called a Court by definition.
    1. grizzlir
      +6
      13 August 2012 14: 46
      Quote: upasika1918
      I personally developed that the colonel is not quite adequate.

      And where did you see the person who went through the battles and remained completely adequate. In war, all the adequacy in the brain turns off and you begin to live by instincts, the main thing is then to be able to return to normal life. The adequate ones were sent home first in zinc
      1. upasika1918
        +3
        13 August 2012 18: 10
        That's exactly what I wanted to convey. Soldier in the war. Innocent.
  23. Owl
    +13
    13 August 2012 14: 31
    Two different "Hero of Russia", one was presented with a high title, and the other was presented to this title for services to the State, one as a bandit, as a bandit-racketeer and remained, and as the second took the Oath, and remains a Soviet Officer.
    1. REPA1963
      +3
      13 August 2012 23: 31
      A huge plus, in my opinion this is the whole essence of the conflict between them.
  24. gorkoxnumx
    +6
    13 August 2012 14: 50
    Exactly!!! When will it all end!
  25. mar.tira
    +5
    13 August 2012 14: 56
    According to conversations with visiting "Czechs" Kadyrov is from the teip of shepherds, despite the fact that his father was a mullah. And shepherds are not an authority for the "Czechs" like Dudayev, who was from the teip of military mercenaries since ancient times. Vainakhs do not like and despise Kadyrov, they are only afraid of the beginning of a new massacre and his numerous guards from his relatives and close associates. Evkurov is a special fighter who has passed the war, he is not afraid to die, and he has already proved this. But this does not mean anything to our politicians. that one will be upstairs. A pity!
    1. grizzlir
      +4
      13 August 2012 15: 08
      I have always wondered from which teip Vladislav Surkov, real name Aslambek Dudayev, Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia, aide to President Vladimir Putin. In the past - an employee of the large "oligarchs" Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Mikhail Fridman. The founder of the youth movements "Walking Together and Nashi". Many Chechens claimed that he was from the teip.
      1. andrey903
        0
        13 August 2012 15: 22
        Like marmots more like a Jew
        1. grizzlir
          0
          13 August 2012 15: 29
          Surkov (Aslambek Dudaev) was born in 1962 in the village of Duba-Yurt, Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic. His mother - Surkova Zinaida Antonovna - and his father - Dudaev Andarbek Danilbekovich - were teachers. In an interview with the German publication Spiegel, Surkov stated that his father was indeed a Chechen and that Surkov himself spent the first five years of his life in Chechnya.
      2. cool.cube2012
        +1
        14 August 2012 00: 12
        grizzlir Surkov’s mom is exactly from teip mossad.
  26. 0
    13 August 2012 17: 57
    With Kadyrov, Putin seems to have a similar position, as with the partnership with NATO on Afghan affairs - for Russia "at the moment" it is beneficial. The position is probably controversial, however, in order to reasonably challenge it, you need to have at least the package of information that is provided to the President of the SVR, GRU, FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. on this subject
  27. upasika1918
    0
    13 August 2012 18: 06
    It seems that surrounded by both leaders, whispers appeared. They are pitted. The question is who? What for? How much?
  28. +2
    13 August 2012 18: 23
    Yes, Yevkurov’s military career is serious. Merits, of course, cause respect. A real man!
  29. +4
    13 August 2012 19: 22
    I am more and more convinced that the decision to evict, made in due time by Stalin, is the only correct one. Now there would be peace and grace. And no one then died by the way. Yes, and where they were evicted, too, it seemed calm. The ingenious solution is simple. Khrushchev only messed up, and even added land to the Chechens at the expense of the Russians. "Bad person."
  30. 0
    13 August 2012 20: 45
    I didn’t read the comments, who is the eldest, who is the youngest? smile , they are intertwined by family marriages, for you the Russians probably are not clear. They all decide the world, they are not suicides.
    For residents of the S. Caucasus, I KAZAKH, though your countrymen are neighbors smile
  31. +2
    13 August 2012 21: 05
    Quote: andrey903
    Kadir has a license to shoot objectionable throughout the world. Recall the Yamadayevs, Baysarov, Budanov, and many others


    Quote: itr
    I didn’t catch something, and when Budanov became a terrorist


    itr, you correctly noticed, for whom did Budanov become a terrorist and objectionable?
    But are you not addicted to jackals! After all, you can get your teeth too.
  32. Odessa
    +1
    13 August 2012 21: 33
    Vainakh split, or the Caucasus in anticipation of Moscow decisions

    This can be a big mistake. The peoples of the Caucasus, almost like the Arabs, have an eastern mentality because of their religion. If the Kremlin needs to decide something, it is only in the presence of these two, somewhere to collect them and only then let them speak out for and against, otherwise there will be no sense. If they began to disagree, then write everything is gone.
    1. Kshatriy
      0
      13 August 2012 23: 36
      Quote: Odessa
      almost like the Arabs,

      Excuse me please!! ! Vainakhs and Alans -There are OST-GOTS -pure-blooded Aryan peoples -in the genetic "haplogroup" -they are cousins ​​of the West Gotta (Germanic people) ... Read modern anthropologists and geneticists .... tori "can be thrown into the furnace !!! Academician Porshnev is the great Antopologue !!!! simits --- into the furnace ..... there is GOG and MAGOG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Odessa
        +2
        14 August 2012 00: 08
        Kshatriy,
        Excuse me please!! !

        Yes, please. I don’t drink so much and especially do not smoke to decrypt your comment! Good luck!
        1. Kshatriy
          0
          14 August 2012 03: 00
          Good luck ... she is a finicky "girl" .... in connection with which I wish you success ..... alcohol is really a terrible poison ........
      2. sahha
        +1
        14 August 2012 02: 52
        Quote: Kshatriya
        Excuse me please!! ! Vainakhs and Alans -There are OST-GOTS -pure-blooded Aryan peoples -in the genetic "haplogroup" -they are cousins ​​of the West Gotta (Germanic people) ... Read modern anthropologists and geneticists .... tori "can be thrown into the furnace !!! Academician Porshnev is the great Antopologue !!!! simits --- into the furnace ..... there is GOG and MAGOG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        I do not know such words what wassat
  33. Patos89
    0
    14 August 2012 02: 00
    Well, who is there against the peoples of the Caucasus, form a detachment into the mountains
    And then they shout everything as it should be right, and if the war starts, everyone will climb under the bed. No need to write nonsense
  34. sahha
    +3
    14 August 2012 02: 49
    Evkurov success soldier
  35. mechanic11
    -1
    14 August 2012 20: 40
    Don’t be afraid! The Moscow gentleman will judge (one hundred Chechens are in your barracks)
  36. +2
    14 August 2012 22: 53
    The people of Rep. Chechnya, you chew in Great Russia, the best country in the world! Russia can solve everything! BUT! Enough to live like in the Stone Age, live in peace, raise children, work, find yourself a peaceful hobby and everything will be fine with you!
    I sincerely wish you to enter a new phase of life and may your peace be improved!
    And let's strengthen our Great Russia together to repulse the amers and ranks ...
  37. grinfillll
    +1
    18 August 2012 18: 08
    Interesting, cool, super

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