Ukraine is preparing to produce Turkish Bayraktar drones

Ukraine intends to produce Turkish Drones Bayraktar, a site is currently being selected for organizing the corresponding production. This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister for Strategic Industries of Ukraine Oleg Urusky.

The Turkish side is ready to make an investment. They need from us a site with the appropriate requirements, on which they will build an enterprise, which will eventually produce these devices.

- he said.

According to Urusky, earlier the Turks wanted to place the production of their drones at one of the enterprises of Ukroboronprom, but recently changed their mind and announced their readiness to build a separate enterprise. He stressed that Ukrainian engineers and workers will work on it, and the enterprise itself will have the right to sell drones both in the Ukrainian and other markets.

In addition, Kiev and Ankara are considering the possibility of creating several joint ventures for the production of anti-tank systems, aviation engines for UAVs, helicopters and airplanes. The option of building a series of Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy is also being considered.

At the same time, Urusky admitted that it is impossible to resume production of An-124 Ruslan aircraft in Ukraine.

We cannot build new ones ("Ruslans" - approx.)

- he said.

Comments

[maktub]

Add that the Turks suddenly announced their interest and readiness to invest in the completion of the AN-225 Mriya

[Stasi]

Quote: maktub

Add what the Turks unexpectedly

So in a hurry to "take a place in the sun" (post a comment to the first one), that stopped in mid-sentence?

And in essence:

Ukraine intends to produce Turkish Bayraktar drones on its territory; currently, a site is being selected to organize the corresponding production.

Apparently Ukraine was inspired by the successes (?) Of Azerbaijan in Karabakh, and it intends to do something similar in the Donbass?

Do they understand there, in Kiev, that Donbass is something closer to us than Karabakh, and our opportunities in the republics are not as constrained as in the NKR?

[maktub]

No, yesterday I read this interview, and today I looked through the VO and saw the article, I decided to add
I was in a hurry to "take a place in the sun" - everything is simple here, I typed text on my smartphone and accidentally pressed "send a comment". Don't attribute your aspirations to others

[Deniska999]

Curious. Will the components be Turkish or Ukrainian? If everything is made in Ukraine, then the cost of one such machine may decrease, including due to cheap labor.

[maktub]

Up to 30% cheaper expected

[Stasi]

Quote: maktub

Up to 30% cheaper expected

Ukrainian labor force? Indisputably
This is your strategic course, which you strictly follow.

[maktub]

Log from the peephole and further in the text

[Stasi]

Quote: maktub

Log from the peephole and further in the text

An empty answer, without an explanation of the actual depreciation of the labor force in Ukraine due to the decline in production.

I repeat once again that your labor force is catastrophically falling in price in relation to developed countries, and you are brushing it off with a "log" ...

Who else has a log ...

[maktub]

Are you getting more expensive? How many minimum wages do you have there now?

[Stasi]

Quote: maktub

Are you getting more expensive? How many minimum wages do you have there now?

"There you have it," where is that? I will now give you the minimum wage in Moscow, and you will choke on saliva ...

Actual The minimum wage from "tabular" and "all-Russian" varies greatly by region.

But excuse me, some decrease in it, hesitation, this is not your nationwide failure.

You look in the mirror, even if you look, and ask yourself - how could such a life come to pass?

[maktub]

Don't worry, zamkadye is also Russia
How much is the average monthly minimum wage in Russia? 12130 rubles? We have a minimum wage from 1.09-5000 UAH

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Stasi

You look in the mirror, even if you are looking at it, and ask yourself - how could such a life have come to an end?

You can ask us this too.

[Bessik]

They loved when the broad ones remember their "high" minimum wage at the Russian level (by as much as $ 2), but at the same time they forget to write that they even have a doctor working for this minimum wage)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Stasi

I repeat once again that your labor force is catastrophically falling in price in relation to developed countries, and you are brushing it off with a "log" ...

In Russia, the same does not rise in price.

Quote: Stasi

Who else has a log ...

We have the same log ...

[venik]

Quote: Deniska999

Will the components be Turkish or Ukrainian?

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WHAT components can Ukraine produce? The most expensive items there are opto and radio electronics and an engine. Neither one nor the other, nor the third are produced in Ukraine, except that they can be collected from imported components ..... Well, perhaps they can still produce some optics themselves ..... The rest has already been lost, the equipment is hopelessly outdated, qualified personnel: who fled, who is retired, and who is no longer!
And by itself "Bayraktar" is a product of "international cooperation" - engines - Canadian, optoelectronics - French, element base - from all over the world ..... WHAT of this Ukraine can at home produce?
So, if it gets cheaper "- then only due to cheaper labor ... And even then it is unlikely - given the level of corruption in / in Ukraine - it is quite possible to expect that it will turn out to be even more expensive than that of the Turks!

[Kamchatsky]

And by itself "Bayraktar" is a product of "international cooperation" - engines - Canadian, optoelectronics - French, element base - from all over the world ...
Dviglo - Rotax 912, there is such a "combined team" - you will download ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Deniska999

Curious. Will the components be Turkish or Ukrainian? If everything is made in Ukraine, then the cost of one such machine may decrease, including due to cheap labor.

Yes, as if Turkey itself now does not have such opportunities to rivet these drones from their components by 100%. At least there was information that Canada and France in connection with the Karabakh conflict stopped the supply of components used for the production of UAVs to Ankara. If Turkey does not have such opportunities, then where does Ukraine have such opportunities? Of course, you can look for analogs on the market, but all the time and money. The only thing that is true is that Ukrainians, compared to Turkish workers, will be willing to work almost for free.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Deniska999

Will the components be Turkish or Ukrainian?

There the Turks have equipment from all over the world. Why would Ukraine be so frightened to be able to produce all this itself?

[Alex Justice]

Curious. Will the components be Turkish or Ukrainian?

Turkish.
Poroshenko inaugurated a new Mercedes plant in Ivano-Frankivsk. The locals call the broom factory. They only tie the wires into bundles and that's it!

[Stas157]

Turkey - Russia. Friendship is beyond understanding. The Turks want to give the Ukrainians Baikatars so that they can fight the Russians in the Donbas. It's all the same if Russia armed the Kurds!

[Koval Sergey]

Quote: Stas157

It's all the same if Russia armed the Kurds

Who knows ... But for now, Uncle Sam is arming them.

[Lesorub]

Quote: Stas157

The Turks want to give the Ukrainians Baikatars so that they can fight the Russians in the Donbas.

Ukraine is gradually rearming and modernizing the existing weapons, a plant for their production will be added to those previously purchased by Bayraktar - at least the military in the Donbas need to take note of this and modernize the air defense, taking into account new threats.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Lesorub

modernize air defense systems taking into account new threats.

1) Create your own drone and suicide UAVs. To destroy the enemy's equipment, so that the enemy has nothing to attack with.
2) Create UAV fighters for other drones and UAVs. It's easy (how exactly let the academics come up with) to shoot down an enemy UAV - a fighter UAV. For a UAV fighter, create means of detecting "targets" - 1a) Spot the UAV by a TV-radio signal, 2b) Detect a "target" with an optoelectronic station, 3c) Shoot down "strike UAVs" and suicide drones with mini-missiles from UAVs let the academicians develop the same) ... It is necessary to develop means of countering "strike UAVs" before they begin to "work" for us (Russia and its "wards"). You need to develop it already "yesterday", and not wait for the "fried drone" to bite at the "5th point" ...

[Lesorub]

Quote: cat Rusich

... Create your own drone and suicide UAVs.

Concern "Kalashnikov" last year presented the kamikaze strike UAV "Cube" - but whether it went into series is unknown, at the expense of medium strike UAVs, the niche is completely empty here - and it is not clear when a worthy drummer will finally be developed - for an interceptor UAV - for now only balls.

[Shahno]

The Turks did not hesitate, so they turned to our grandees. And they seem to have a result now ..
Because there is no point in developing the same thing, well, unless you are enemies, of course.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Lesorub

Concern "Kalashnikov" last year presented the shock UAV kamikaze "Cube" - but whether it went into the series is unknown,

So about that and the conversation had to start, and not about "... Let's live together ..." - to supply a UAV-Cube without a warhead, under the guise of a "simple drone" - to install or manufacture warheads on site. Without armored vehicles, the enemy will not attack ... To beat the enemy - by his own method !!!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: maktub

Add that the Turks suddenly announced their interest and readiness to invest in the completion of the AN-225 Mriya

Did Ukraine say it or did the Turks say it and have already allocated money? If the first - then again at the level of Wishlist.

[maktub]

According to Urusky, the topic surfaced in a conversation with Erdogan personally

[VORON538]

dog barks-wind carries

[maktub]

You won’t erase words from a song

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Did Ukraine say it or did the Turks say it and have already allocated money? If the first - then again at the level of Wishlist.

Just move out, don't flood, yeah))) Forget Mriya, let's trample on the topic of the article, but on the topic of the article, it turns out that a strike drone manufactured by Ukraine according to NATO templates will be the product. Two squadrons of such strikers .they can smash two support arms in one flight, b .. arrow positions -10, the drone will cut during the program study of aerial photography. And why the reconnaissance, and everything is already done by the RQ-4 Global Hawk, methodically and carefully makes marks of positions, i.e. n z.respublik..In Karabakh, the conflict between the CSTO country and the southern flank of NATO / in the face of Turkey /. NATO MD, represented by Turkey, is not necessary. NATO, represented by its southern flank, successfully attacks, and the CSTO practically becomes meaningless for the rest of the members. Yerevan was already involved in the attack from the very first second, the Russian response --- Azerbaijanis and Armenians are our mutual partners / AT LEAST, FOR A MINUTE, ARMENIA IS A MEMBER OF THE ODKB /
The Turkish continuation will be the introduction of the NATO mechanized corps. And you continue your arrogant and creepy policy. You are referring, they say, Pashinyan-Oros is there, so that's the way it should be .. Cool, they came up with kremlebotics! Since the times of the Republic of Ingushetia, the Russians have set up their outposts in the Caucasus. It is not enough for us that thanks to our wise foreign policy we have lost a beautiful country, Ukraine. We are now simply informed that the NATO operation has not yet been completed. You want to say that Karabakh is a difficult platform for Nothing of the kind, NATO worked out the next generation war on this site, and at the same time, NATO made sure that the buffer security system of the Russian Federation is under threat, under great threat, and not necessarily of a purely military nature.

[V1er]

Finally, words of wisdom. I've been writing this to everyone for a long time. But Azerbaijanis and other "smart" people will bypass me, "just weren’t trash wars" and "do not interfere". Choosing from war and shame - shame, you will get both war and shame!

[V1er]

Finally, words of wisdom. I've been writing this to everyone for a long time. But Azerbaijanis and other "smart" people, "just weren't warlike," will bypass me. and "do not interfere". Choosing from war and shame - shame, you will get both war and shame!

[the finish]

Yesterday's article is about new Turkish drones and ammunition. And now a video has appeared of how these innovations are being tested in the conditions of Karabakh. The Turks and Israelis made the lives and homes of Armenians a testing ground. The world is silent. The ally is silent. The CSTO is silent.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Thunderbolt

from just move out, no need to flood, yeah))) Forget Mriya, let’s trample on the topic of the article, but on the topic of the article it turns out that a shock drone manufactured by Ukraine according to NATO templates will be a product. Two squadrons of such strikers .they can smash two support arms in one flight, b .. arrow positions -10, the drone will cut through the software study of aerial photography. And why the reconnaissance, and everything is already done by the RQ-4 Global Hawk, methodically and thoroughly marks the positions, i.e. n z.respublik..In Karabakh, the conflict between the CSTO country and the southern flank of NATO / in the face of Turkey /. NATO MD, represented by Turkey, is not necessary. NATO, represented by its southern flank, successfully attacks, and the CSTO practically becomes meaningless for the rest of the members. Yerevan was already involved in the attack from the first second, the Russian response --- Azerbaijanis and Armenians are our mutual partners / AT LEAST, FOR A MINUTE, ARMENIA IS A MEMBER OF THE ODKB /
The Turkish continuation will be the introduction of the NATO mechanized corps. And you continue your swaggering and dumb politics. You are referring, they say, Pashinyanya-Oros is there, so that's the way it should be .. Cool, they came up with the Kremlin! Upper class Since the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, Russians have set up their outposts in the Caucasus. It is not enough for us that thanks to our wise foreign policy we have lost a beautiful country, Ukraine. We are now simply informed that the NATO operation has not yet been completed. Do you want to say that Karabakh is a difficult platform for CSTO statements? Nothing of the kind, NATO on this site worked out the war of the next generation, and at the same time, NATO made sure that the buffer security system of the Russian Federation is under threat, under great threat and not necessarily of a purely military nature.

Why is this comment for me? Performance characteristics and tactics of combat use of drones, "Mriya", CSTO, Karabakh, kremlebots ...

Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
And the volleys of a thousand guns
Merged in a long howl ...

I just asked if Ukraine decided that they would finish building the Mriya or Turkey is already giving money for this?

[figwam]

Quote: maktub

Add that the Turks suddenly announced their interest and readiness to invest in the completion of the AN-225 Mriya

Well, if they said that

We cannot build new ones ("Ruslans" - approx.)
- he said.

That Mriyu all the more will not be able, the times of the USSR are over, the freebie is over, and Erdogan's dreams are just dreams.

[maktub]

Urusky said that both theoretically and practically we can complete the construction of "Mriya"
The sum of the completion of the construction does not bother the Turks and "needs to be negotiated at the expert level"

[figwam]

Quote: maktub

The sum of the completion of the construction does not bother the Turks

The most that Turkey can do is to give money for the completion of the second copy of Mriya, the rusty fuselage of which has been standing since the times of the USSR, but it will already be a completely different aircraft from Western components and all this will cost a round sum including new tests.

[maktub]

Here is an address with a photo and an article
https://defence-ua.com/news/turechchina_gotova_vzjatis_za_dobudovu_drugogo_litaka_an_225_mrija_vitse_premjer_oleg_uruskij-1912.html

[figwam]

Quote: maktub

Here is an address with a photo and an article

I don't understand in your Okrainskiy.

[maktub]

You can see the pictures

[figwam]

Watching pictures of past achievements is now your lot.

[maktub]

Just tell me, I do not have reliable information, what is foaming?

[Stasi]

Quote: maktub

Just tell me, I do not have reliable information, what is foaming?

And to us, in Russia, what are the claims that there is no reliable information on Ukraine in general, and the economy in particular?

After all, you yourself do not give it, or you lie so that Buratino will be jealous.

[maktub]

Yes, the seeker will find himself. We can find almost any information and even the ultimate beneficiaries of enterprises

[Thrifty]

It is likely that the Turks in the uk-Roine first wanted to localize the production of drones "for themselves," hoping that the uk-Roynsky units and components on the spot would reduce the cost of production of attack drones. And uk-roina initially wants to make them exclusively for their own needs - the war in the Donbass, and nasty things against Russia.

[maktub]

I will say even more, according to the agreement, Ukraine has the right to make changes to the design

[michael2000]

Have you read the contract?

[maktub]

The text itself is not (the snout did not come out)
The pomace is in the public domain

[Rage66]

We must look very seriously for effective opposition to Bayraktar. The bird is dangerous and relatively inexpensive.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Duck, dangerous drones can also charge head-on unexpectedly))

[Observer2014]

Quote: Rage66

We must look very seriously for effective opposition to Bayraktar. The bird is dangerous and relatively inexpensive.

What do you mean? This nag? It can barely fly. And it is even worse controlled. It is dangerous for the "Indians" That is actually all we see.

[NTD]

Quote: Observer2014

What are you? This nag? It can barely fly. And it is even worse controlled. It is dangerous for the "Indians" That is actually all we see.

Yes, you darling, as I see, you don't see well and write deliberately understating the importance of the UAV. The smarter she is, the scarier she is. The Armenians also have drones, but we plant them and shoot them down. No problem. And this car is not so easy to plant or destroy.

Well, if you take Armenians for Indians, then I am silent.

[Observer2014]

Yes, you darling, as I see you poorly see and write deliberately underestimating the importance of the UAV

The importance of a specific UAV, I dare to notice you. Which is presented by almost the lord of the sky. Armenians, if they filled it only for other reasons. But this nag for the Russian army is simpler than a target for which they work in air defense exercises. For it is a dryndulet for modern armies. so what about the Armenians we are not interested at all in the context of this article. Here is the whole UAV How he bravely and powerfully dodged a rocket NAG this Bayraktar.

[Aleks2048]

And what is the price of one bayraktar during serial production? Ammunition price for him? Curious, to estimate how much it can be a "consumable"?

[Vadim237]

The price of the ammunition is about 4 - 5 thousand dollars per piece.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alex2048

And what is the price of one bayraktar during serial production? Ammunition price for him? Curious, to estimate how much it can be a "consumable"?

It cannot be a "consumable", but it is cheaper than an attack aircraft with a pilot ...

[high]

In Libya, they could not do anything with Turkish drones ...

[donavi49]

It's funny that in your urapatriotism, you just presented an ideal indicator of the importance and necessity of a UAV.

This device was shot down far from immediately. He flew part of March and all April insolently at 2600-3200 m and opened positions... And the most juicy immediately went to the media with a cry - Abkhazia is preparing to attack Georgia! NATA PAMAHI!

Local forces tried to get him, but could not.

As a result, they had to light up, raise the MiG - and kill the annoying UAV on the air.

This was the reason for the proceedings at the UN:
There is every reason to believe that "the plane (MiG-29, which allegedly shot down a drone over the territory of Abkhazia) belonged Russian Air Force"reads text of the UN mission report.

By the way, it was the August war that became a turning point in the development of Russian UAVs. They stopped raping the bee. Sawing money on all kinds of waffles. And they began to buy out the Serchers and conclude contracts for a licensed release.

Now we extrapolate this to the DPR-LPR:
It is no longer a weak UAV flying according to the schedule, in plain sight. And TV2 - night and day, on different routes, in different places. Plus dozens of different small class UAVs with a range of up to 30 km.

It will be difficult to watch for, raise the plane, it is necessary to introduce full-fledged patrolling of the leading edge. What will it be possible to catch a Buk missile -> it is necessary to extinguish the air defense in the front-line zone -> the whole strategy "We are not there, show at least one photo of Russian troops in Donbas!" fall apart.

Will Putin do this? A question for you.

The current main (95% +) air defense of the republics fully corresponds to the level of the NKR air defense. What they did to him - you can see the video in the selections ... And two whole TV2s shot down is quite a small price.

[Errr]

Now is the time to acquire fighter drones.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I’m wondering what the Indians from the LDNR will be able to oppose if tomorrow the Velikoukry will start another peremog on the return of Donbass to their native harbor.

[Observer2014]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I’m wondering what the Indians from the LDNR will be able to oppose if tomorrow the Velikoukry will start another peremog on the return of Donbass to their native harbor.

Are you talking about the Russians who have a common border with Russia? Yes, you are a brave man, I look at you to think so. Do you want to speed up integration? Try it.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Russians in Russia. In LDNR, Ukrainians are in accordance with the Minsk agreements approved by Putin. Integration into Ukraine? No I do not want to. It is not profitable for Russia.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

These "Ukrainians" have long ago received Russian passports, and Ukraine itself sabotages the Minsk agreements!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Did they all get it right? Until a single one? While they live on the territory of Ukraine, they are Ukrainians. And according to the Minsk agreements, the LDNR is the territory of Ukraine. Well, sabotaging, so what? If tomorrow she starts sticking to them, then what? There is now just a wild field. But if tomorrow the interests coincide so that it would be more profitable to stop this mess, then the dream of integration with the Russian Federation will end there. Actually, even now their Russian oligarchy is not particularly willing to integrate.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Did they all get it right? Until a single one?

More than 200 thousand

While they live on the territory of Ukraine, they are Ukrainians.

While they live there with Russian passports, they are Russians living in Ukraine ....

LDNR's dreams of integration with the Russian Federation will end. Actually, even now their Russian oligarchy is not particularly willing to integrate

There will be no integration, but there will be an expansion of the LPNR at the expense of the territory of Ukraine and the recognition of the LPNR by the Russian Federation ... and then the residents of Donbass, citizens of the Russian Federation and citizens of Ukraine will live on the territory of the LPR ... and other states (depending on the passport) ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Lara Croft

but there will be an expansion of the LPNR due to the territory of Ukraine and the recognition of the LPNR by the Russian Federation

Or it won't. Because so far this is nothing more than your wishes and dreams.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

will not.

What will not happen is:

nothing more than your wishes and dreams

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Let you not attribute your thoughts to me. Thanks in advance.

[TermNachTer]

They won't. UkroSS is a gang of drunks and drug addicts.

[Stasi]

Quote: Observer2014

What are you? belay This nag? It can barely fly. And it is even worse controlled. It is dangerous for the "Indians" That is actually all we see.

"Nag" is dangerous for those who do not have a full, multilevel, echeloned electronic warfare and air defense system.
For example, for the republics of Donbass, whose air defense is represented mainly by the aging OSA AKM, Strela-10, and various MANPADS. Electronic warfare systems are also represented there only fragmentarily.

And based on the fact that Ukraine intends to use UAVs primarily against the republics (no doubt), then the NM DNR and LPR will have a hard time under their blows.

Unless, of course, our Supreme Commander remembers his statement about the demise of the statehood of Ukraine in the event of an attempt to force the option ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Stasi

Unless, of course, our Supreme Commander remembers his statement about the demise of the statehood of Ukraine in the event of an attempt to force the option ...

Just for a reminder, the "darkest" and recreated the 8th OA near Voronezh ....

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Stasi

"Nag" is dangerous for those who do not have a full, multilevel, echeloned electronic warfare and air defense system.
For example, for the republics of Donbass, whose air defense is represented mainly by the aging OSA AKM, Strela-10, and various MANPADS. Electronic warfare systems are also represented there only fragmentarily.

And based on the fact that Ukraine intends to use UAVs primarily against the republics (no doubt), then the NM DNR and LPR will have a hard time under their blows.

Strikes on the Donbass (DPR and LPR) must be answered with strikes against the "local leadership of Ukraine" - 1 UAV strike = 2 "neutralized" fascists (not privates - high-ranking ones) ... Do not sit "in the trenches" - attack the "enemy's rear" - sow "fear and horror" in the strategic rear of the "enemy". Peace will be after the Victory

[donavi49]

STM recently tested a swarm of its helicopters. 10 km. They can hunt for individual targets - such as an infantryman in a trench. At the price of the series, each kamikaze will cost about like a homeless DJI in the same parameters (~ 200k rubles for alika even now).


In the latest version (Kargu 2), the drone weighs 15 kg, can stay in the air for up to half an hour and reach speeds of up to 150 km / h. As a warhead, Kargu can carry fragmentation, thermobaric or cumulative shells weighing 1,5 kg.
In the current version, Kargu can operate in semi-automatic mode or completely under the control of the operator.

[Rage66]

Quote: Observer2014

What are you? This nag? It can barely fly. And it is even worse controlled. It is dangerous for the "Indians" That is actually all we see.

When the leaders, for example, marshals, reason like this, then the soldiers give their lives for this urapatriotism and shapkozakidstvo. She barely, barely flies, but has managed to check in both in Syria and in Libya and in Karabakh now.
And apparently everywhere she brought a lot of smut to her opponents.
And now it can appear en masse in Donbass.
It's a shame Comrade Marshal to be so frivolous.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Again, the sworn brothers are setting up their American partners! Biden, Motor Sich, is now selling UAV engines at a time when American friends are imposing sanctions against Turkey and Azerbaijan. From spacecraft, rockets, and Mriyas to Bayraktar rattlers. Technological breakthrough on the face!

[Zoldat_A]

Think about the meaning of what the Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister said - the Turks passionately want to build a plant in Ukraine from scratch, so that UKRAINE would produce drones for itself, so that UKRAINE would fight them in Donbass, so that UKRAINE would sell drones for the benefit of UKRAINE ..
Altruism!

Ukraine's eternal dream of a freebie - "a good uncle will come and give us money for nothing, so that we, such good people, can make goodies."

[cniza]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Altruism!

Ukraine's eternal dream of a freebie - "a good uncle will come and give us money for nothing, so that we, such good people, can make goodies."

Yeah, they will steal faster than Turkey build ...

[Thunderbolt]

Laughs, but Stugna goes to the promo, so don't underestimate

[cniza]

No, there are just a lot of examples before my eyes, Erdogan is serious, and Ukraine is being wagged by the United States ...

[cniza]

The Turkish side is ready to make an investment. They need from us a site with the appropriate requirements, on which they will build an enterprise, which will eventually produce these devices.

Erdogan will climb to Ukraine, but then he will regret it, he still does not know what horses are ...

[Gordei]

Quote: cniza

Erdogan will climb to Ukraine, but then he will regret it, he still does not know what horses are ...

Yes, Victor knows, so he is climbing .. Here the policy of pressure on Russia is coming .. For example, don't bother us in Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan and we will not bother you in Ukraine ..

[cniza]

Well, he thinks that he knows and he has nothing to do in the South Caucasus, but with B.V. still we will see whose interests there are more.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: cniza

Well, he thinks that he knows and he has nothing to do in the South Caucasus, but with B.V. still we will see whose interests there are more.

You have illustrated the "Soft Step of the NATO-South Group". Incirlik, NATO airbase. America constantly maintains forces up to 15 F-15s in order to destroy the war. We know that where the F-15 sat down, a group of these animals will sit there. Although they are not mammals, but the creatures are still the same.

[cniza]

Plus, Armenia is now under the control of Soros, and the US Embassy is the largest ...

[Gordei]

Are they preparing for Donbass? They liked the Azerbaijani tactics to see .. Well, well!

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

Ukraine and production, incompatible things since 2014.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Observer2014

Quote: Rage66

We must look very seriously for effective opposition to Bayraktar. The bird is dangerous and relatively inexpensive.

What do you mean? This nag? It can barely fly. And it is even worse controlled. It is dangerous for the "Indians" That is actually all we see.

Here are two tribes that cannot sort out each other and between themselves the borders are fencing ((LPR and DPR) these "nags" will be worked out.
As armored vehicles and art will be knocked out, so before the "integration" into Nenko it will come.

[Asad]

I completely agree with you, as if they speak different languages!

[Egor53]

TTX Bayraktar.
Maximum speed: 222 km / h
Cruising speed: 130 km / h
Control radius from the ground station - 150 km

Absolutely obvious. that these UAVs can only work against an enemy who has no air defense, no aviation, no normal radars.
And control stations at a distance of up to 150 km. easy to cover with Iskander.

[maktub]

An update was released yesterday that allows to increase the exchange of data between stations and the board up to 300 km

[Vadim237]

These command posts are too scanty to target Iskander's missiles. For them missiles X 29, X 58 and X 59 are enough for the eyes.

[Shahno]

Quote: Egor53

TTX Bayraktar.
Maximum speed: 222 km / h
Cruising speed: 130 km / h
Control radius from the ground station - 150 km

Absolutely obvious. that these UAVs can only work against an enemy who has no air defense, no aviation, no normal radars.
And control stations at a distance of up to 150 km. easy to cover with Iskander.

The only problem is that, as the latest armed conflict in Karabakh has shown, everything is beautiful only in numbers and in words, before colliding with reality ...

[sabakina]

Pavel, is it warm in the trench today?

[Shahno]

No, we are no longer young. More and more headquarters. We count there, advise

[sabakina]

Well, okay. May the coronavirus pass by you! Amen!

[Zaurbek]

Quite a sensible decision ..... only the ammunition must be produced by ourselves.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: cniza

The Turkish side is ready to make an investment. They need from us a site with the appropriate requirements, on which they will build an enterprise, which will eventually produce these devices.

Erdogan will climb to Ukraine, but then he will regret it, he still does not know what horses are ...

They risk only the construction of an assembly shop with two warehouses (with components and finished products) and tooling - diagnostic equipment. But since the production is joint, Ukraine must pay for the part.
This is by and large a way of selling, the buyer receives a screwdriver assembly and a repair base. Investments are not big and "production" can quickly stop, it will exist as long as there is a flow of components.

Selling through Ukraine can also be interesting, for example, to countries where there are hostilities, up to terrorists ...

[Irek]

Grunting under the fence is all they can do.

[Slon1978]

This news is hard to believe, to put it mildly. Since I do not see any benefit here and generally no sense for the Turks to finance the construction of their future competitor for the sale of Bayraktar-2 on international markets? In many ways, the Turks can be blamed, but not stupidity. The assembly of a drone under license in Ukraine with the supply of basic components and in the future, of course, ammunition from Turkey with a ban on export - perhaps you can believe this.

[rotmistr60]

Ukraine is preparing to produce Turkish Bayraktar drones

The statement, once again (?) Made the Armed Forces of Ukraine "the strongest army in Europe", complementing the previous ones about the revival of nuclear weapons, the construction of 2 naval bases. Tremble your enemies, because we also "created" our own Ukrainian vaccine against covid (the ampoules can be seen in jars of pickled corn and peas). Probably all the same, it is necessary to start production first, and then report it.

[Kapral Alphych]

The Ukrainians decided to seize the glory of the Azerbaijanis - to crush the ranks of the valiant defenders of Donbass from above! Yes, something tells me that we will sooner supply Donbass with new drones than the volunteers will pick up a "production site")

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Kapral Alphich

The Ukrainians decided to seize the glory of the Azerbaijanis - to crush the ranks of the valiant defenders of Donbass from above! Yes, something tells me that faster we will supply Donbass with new dronesthan greedy-lovers will pick up a site for launching production)

Your optimistic forecasts would come true as soon as possible

Indeed, in reality, we ourselves do not have a single attack UAV system.

[Burdock]

Residents of DNRLNR need to obtain Russian citizenship, if possible, then acquire real estate in the Russian Federation, send children to study in the Russian Federation. All these reports about electronic warfare and C1000500 are good if you are outside the LPR. The masters of Ukraine are interested in the death of as many Slavs as possible.

[Koval Sergey]

And Turkey and Ukraine sang well.

[cniza]

Yes, they are "friends" against Russia and no more ...

[Koval Sergey]

Quote: cniza

Yes, they are "friends" against Russia and no more.

This is understandable, a common enemy always brings us closer.

[cniza]

Erdogan will rip them off to the last thread and he really wants to get his hands on it, and even looks at the Crimea.

[Slon1978]

Make no mistake about this. Nobody will help Ukraine out of kindness and does not want to, they only want to do business on them. If it comes to the production of Bayraktar in Ukraine under a Turkish license, the price of the components will be such that the price of the final product will be exactly higher than the Turkish original. The Turks will not breed for themselves. Plus, they will cut money for construction and commissioning of production, license fees, the supply of ammunition and, of course, assembly kits. Of course, Ukrainian officials will sing songs about localization, in part it probably will. But in the end, the Turks will earn good money, Ukraine will not receive competencies and technologies, and UAVs in Donbass will be useless, because Russia is still not Armenia and will support its own if necessary. It will not even be necessary to supply air defense to the LDNR - an official operation will be announced about forcing Ukraine to peace, and drones will shoot down Russian air defense and aerospace forces.

[Dangerous]

What prevented the announcement of this operation in 2014, when Donetsk was under fire?

[t-12]

The gas pipe got in the way. Damaging a pipe is a waste of billions of dollars.

[Alexey from Perm]

Serious threat, I would take it seriously

[Reserve buildbat]

"He stressed that Ukrainian engineers and workers will work on it, and the enterprise itself will have the right to sell drones both in the Ukrainian and other markets." - It reminds me to disgust of "joint ventures" in the Far East and Siberia, where the Russians are cutting down timber, destroying the taiga, and in all positions above the brigadier - the Chinese. And they are the owners. Both timber and taxes go to China. But the governors in Russia have long squealed that enterprises would create skilled jobs for Russians and bring taxes to the local budget.

[maktub]

Air defense specialists, explain to me sivolapom what a small-sized radar (I still understand) with aperture synthesis?

[t-12]

Everything is searched for in five seconds for the query "radar aperture synthesis".

[maktub]

Thank you for clarification.

[Whirlwind]

As soon as they start selling, they will have to buy ...

[Old26]

Quote: ANDREI MIKHAILOV_2

Ukraine and production, incompatible things since 2014.

Yes of course. that is why the new Turkish twin-engine drone has Ukrainian engines and Ukrainian composites are used in production. Maybe it’s enough to “dream wetly” and hope that the “neighbor” has already lost all competences and does not represent anything. They said that "Neptune" they had a "stillborn" RCC and would never fly anywhere. Now, when it has flown, they say that there is no production, everything is boiled down. And what will we say when those 3 divisions that are planning will do? Let's find some reason to "believe" that there is the whole industry of "khan"? You should not close your eyes to this and engage in "hacking". It usually ends badly.

Quote: Egor53

Absolutely obvious. that these UAVs can only work against an enemy who has no air defense, no aviation, no normal radars.
Yes, and control stations at a distance of up to 150 km. easy to cover with Iskander

In Karabakh there is air defense ("Wasps" and "Strela", at least), there is also aviation, albeit a little, but there is. Are there normal radars (or do you think the radars from the S-300 complex) are not normal? And nevertheless they work and are quite effective.

And about the truck "Iskander" - it's enchanting. True, in those 5-8 minutes that are necessary to prepare information for the start-up, the truck can drive off - these are details. The main thing is that his ISKANDER, ISKANDER. True, we need to find and identify this car with a control station, but this is nonsense "hurray hurray" and we will immediately find it.
Damn, you would also offer the "Voevoda", or "Dagger" or something else that is in trend

[Victorm]

Quote: maktub

Up to 30% cheaper expected

Quote: Slon1978

Make no mistake about this. Nobody will help Ukraine out of kindness and does not want to, they only want to do business on them. If it comes to the production of Bayraktar in Ukraine under a Turkish license, the price of the components will be such that the price of the final product will be exactly higher than the Turkish original. The Turks will not breed for themselves. Plus, they will cut money for construction and commissioning of production, license fees, the supply of ammunition and, of course, assembly kits. Of course, Ukrainian officials will sing songs about localization, in part it probably will. But in the end, the Turks will earn good money, Ukraine will not receive competencies and technologies, and UAVs in Donbass will be useless, because Russia is still not Armenia and will support its own if necessary. It will not even be necessary to supply air defense to the LDNR - an official operation will be announced about forcing Ukraine to peace, and drones will shoot down Russian air defense and aerospace forces.

I think with full localization they will be even cheaper for Ukraine and over time the result will be more perfect, of course, if they seriously take up this business.
Opto-electronic systems, an engine, communication systems and its protection, ATGMs are ALREADY produced by Ukrainians, they only need adaptation and it is already being carried out, as the Turks are trying to reduce dependence on Canadian and Western European companies. Most likely, there will be an exchange of technologies, the Turks will receive what is missing, and Ukraine will have a ready-made system on their own practically nodes and components.

[spectr]

It is logical. This will allow the Turks to bypass the sanctions on the supply of components, and Ukraine will receive a tool to resolve the Donbas issue.

[Lara Croft]

Ukraine has someone to test its own (purchased from the empirialists) shock UAVs, upon entering this "testing" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and will come to the conclusion which UAVs are better, Turkish, from the EU, the United States or Israeli Jews ...
The deployment of Turkish UAVs on the territory of Ukraine now will give the latter competence in the field of UAV production ...

The main goal of the third stage (fixing, by 2035) is to complete the re-equipment and ensure sustainable development of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. By 2035, virtually all obsolete military equipment should be removed from the Air Force. Instead, the Air Force of a new model should be formed and acquire operational capabilities. The management system, comprehensive support, personnel must be ready for the effective use of the obtained potential in all certain scenarios.
Aviation of the Air Force model 2035 must have:
- at least 4 brigades of tactical aviation, armed with a modern unified multi-role fighter of the 4 ++ generation;
- at least 4 brigades (regiments) of unmanned reconnaissance and strike aircraft;
- a brigade of transport and special aviation;
- training aviation brigade.
The existing model of tactical aviation as part of its types (fighter, bomber, assault, reconnaissance), armed with a wide range of aircraft types: MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR, should undergo changes in the direction of unification and be transformed into a model of multifunctional combat units of tactical aviation, armed with a single type of foreign-made 4 ++ generation multi-role fighter (such as Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen, F-16 Block 70/72, or others), which will ensure the unification and economy of resources ...
The number of combat units of tactical aviation should be reduced (estimated need 72 - 108 multirole fighters), however, its combat potential (due to re-equipment with new multifunctional models) will significantly increase.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4036293.html
https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2020/01/new-army.html (общая картина развития ВСУ, включи перевод)
The Russian Federation is at the beginning of the way to produce shock UAVs, Ukraine will be helped by all the countries of the Western world, the battle of "Ukrainian" and Russian "drones" in the skies of Donbass, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, PMR, etc. is not far off.

[svoit]

Quote: t-12

The gas pipe got in the way. Pipe damage

So the pipe had to be taken under protection.

[Vladimir]

I don’t know I don’t know, there are no normal specialists, although drones, in principle, are quite possible to master.

[Alexey Bobrin]

The Turks collect them themselves from imported components! What kind of production are we talking about?

[fa2998]

Quote: Stasi

Apparently Ukraine was encouraged by the successes (?) Of Azerbaijan in Karabakh,

Maybe they were inspired, but you need to know the capabilities of your aircraft industry. Even under a license, production cannot be deployed. Maybe a "screwdriver" assembly from finished parts of a small batch. But you also need weapons for this aircraft, and simulators, etc.

[Victorm]

Quote: Alexey Bobrin

The Turks collect them themselves from imported components! What kind of production are we talking about?

About the fact that similar units are produced in Ukraine that can be adapted, as well as there are production facilities and technologies for the local production of basic components and weapons.
Well, for example. The Turks are hanging a modified warhead of their anti-tank missile on Bayraktar TV2, but the Ukrainians also have their own ATGM.
There are several design bureaus in Ukraine, enough specialists for the production of equipment and equipment.