Aliyev named the conditions for the cessation of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh

Azerbaijan is ready to stop hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh and start negotiations in the event of a ceasefire from the Armenian side. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev stated this in an interview with the French newspaper Figaro.

We are ready to end (the fighting) today. I already spoke about this during the talks in Moscow on October 10. It is only necessary that Armenia cease fire. And then it is the diplomats who have to act

- quotes the publication of the words of Aliyev.

The Azerbaijani leader stressed that Armenia should recognize the principles of the conflict settlement, determined by the OSCE Minsk Group, after which Baku will return to the negotiating table.

Aliyev spoke unflatteringly about Pashinyan, who, according to him, after coming to power "destroyed the peace process with his inflammatory statements and military provocations."

I think the time has come to achieve a political settlement (...) the status quo and the old line of contact no longer exist, a new reality has emerged

- he added.

Meanwhile, Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan held a number of meetings in Washington, which he called "very productive". The topic of conversations with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and US National Security Adviser Robert O'Brian was the settlement of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to him, the United States is in favor of a peaceful solution to the issue.

In addition, Mnatsakyan announced the discussion of the issue of bringing peacekeepers into the conflict zone. According to him, Baku is not opposed to this initiative, and the OSCE Minsk Group (Russia, France and the United States) will come up with proposals on the composition, timing and number of observers and peacekeepers in Karabakh.

Comments

[Livonetc]

"I think the time has come to achieve a political settlement (...) the status quo and the old line of contact no longer exist, a new reality has emerged."
An interesting point.
There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.
And it is talking about the old line of contact.
So there will be a new line for now, but not a border.
Is it a softening of the position and a transition to a position in the negotiation process?

[icant007]

Quote: Livonetc

There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.

The Azerbaijani leader stressed that Armenia should recognize the principles of the conflict settlement, determined by the OSCE Minsk Group, after which Baku will return to the negotiating table.

[YOUR]

There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.
Initially, there were Aliyev's words until we completely liberate Karabakh and the citizens of Azerbaijan can return to their homes.

[icant007]

Quote: YOUR

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.

This speaks of the goodwill of Azerbaijan.

[Livonetc]

Oil transshipment bases in Syria were attacked yesterday.
This oil is transported to Turkey and the business is controlled by the Erdogan family.
They put pressure on the corrupt sultan.
By the way.
About the great leader who supports Azerbaijan.
Once he was very friendly with Assad.
Families were friends.
But, as soon as the sultan smelled an easy prey, he immediately spat on the ally and stuck the scimitar into Assad's back.
Now it is banal to steal from a neighboring country.
And Azerbaijan for him is nothing more than a part of the possessions of the Ottoman Empire ..

[NTD]

Quote: Livonetc

Once he was very friendly with Assad.

Was Heydar Aliyev friends with Assad's family? You are confusing something. Azerbaijan has always disliked Syria. Because in the 90s many mercenaries came to the war from Syria and Lebanon. In Karabakh, they fought against us. Therefore, Heydar Aliyev could not be friends with them. A diplomatic smile, maybe, but no friendship.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: MTN

Was Heydar Aliyev friends with Assad's family? You are confusing something.

It is literally written there

Quote: Livonetc

By the way.
About the great leader who supports Azerbaijan.
Once he was very friendly with Assad.

Leader supporting Azerbaijan, not the leader of Azerbaijan. And they are supported by Erdogan, who was once really friends with Assad by families.

[Roman1970_1]

Read carefully.
Erdogan was Assad's friend

[tihonmarine]

Quote: MTN

Because in the 90s many mercenaries came to the war from Syria and Lebanon. In Karabakh, they fought against us.

And now they are at war too. According to SNA General Ziyad Haji Ubeid, Syrians are recruited to participate in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict for the sake of money. The SNA field commander said that the Syrians are ready to fight anywhere in the world for the interests and security of Turkey. The militants "consider the interests of Turkey their own interests." The SNA is no longer just terrorists, but someone's army defending the interests of not Syria, but of another state. And who are they fighting against?

[carstorm 11]

Oh. stop. no one will ever give up on a quick victory if possible. for so much time fighting with something suddenly goodwill))) resources are finite. to conduct such an intensity of action, funds are needed which are not available. which means that it remains to receive only the entire possible profit from the situation.

[icant007]

Quote: carstorm 11

Oh. stop. no one will ever give up on a quick victory if possible. for so much time of fighting, why is it suddenly goodwill)))

And no one talks about a quick victory. It's just that the Armenian side is once again invited to show wisdom.

[carstorm 11]

I personally do not care deeply who will win there. I agree with many that as long as all the blood is not allowed to each other, they will not calm down anyway. and when finished with the others just talk. so let them spend. people. there won't be any winners.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

there will be no winners there anyway ....... there will be, and it will be Yerevan, ... Armenia is a member of the CSTO ... it is not in vain that Russian tricolors are already appearing on the Armenian border ... well, if it is good, the blue UN helmets the conflict will freeze again. if not. then PMC Karabakh will defend in favor of Armenia ... well, in short, something like this

[carstorm 11]

and what is the victory?) at least they will lose certain territories. the army that their ditched showed everyone. Pashinyanya if only they leave ... about tricolors is not necessary. their desire for us to solve problems for them there has long been known to everyone. when all the screams are quiet, remove the base and others rush much more often. really pissed off it all. have chosen a street revolutionary. all that happens is his merit. instead of flags, let them better understand this miracle.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

have chosen a street revolutionary. all that happens is his merit. ...... well, there is no dispute, of course, instead of running around Washington it would be better to take up my direct responsibilities and, most importantly, increase the quality of the social sphere in NK if he is with him, then there would be no conflict, I I looked about the conditions of life in NK .... it's tough

[DAQ]

This is Aliyev speaking to Western media
This has nothing to do with reality.
Tries to correct the image and shift the escalation onto the Armenians
Sly and Slippery typical this Aliev

[DAQ]

If Aliyev is so confident in his righteousness and justification of the fire on the cities, then why does he declare that the Armenians began shelling, that the Armenians do not want a truce?
I would say bluntly: yes, we have started, but we do not want to stop the war.

But he cannot say that all the locals will be squeezed out.
Everyone understands why the shells are constantly falling on Stepanakert.

[VICTORY]

You are just like an Armenian. Are there no other bombed cities besides Stepanakert (Khankendi)? Terter, Geranboy, Naftalan ... Or these cities do not exist for you as only Azerbaijanis live there?

[DAQ]

You move away from the essence.
You perfectly understand that if the Azerbaijani army stops the offensive, the fighting will stop. And the shelling of cities too. The truce will be very beneficial for the Armenian forces, but not for the Azerbaijani. The Armenian side would observe the truce, if only to gain time and you know this as well as I do.
But you will clearly not be delighted with this development of events. I am sure that you (and not only you) think that it is stupid to stop the offensive, you need to develop "success". From a military point of view, it is.
And you perfectly understand that Aliyev lied to French journalists, saying that the hostilities would be stopped as soon as the Armenian side ceased hostilities. He hung a lot of noodles there for the French.
It doesn't matter who you are by nationality, but you perfectly understand that everything that is stated above is true.
It doesn't matter which side you sympathize with, whether you like it or not, but you know the truth. I suppose you need to remain objective.
Aliyev lied. And everyone understands this.
-Minute-

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nasdaq

Sly and Slippery typical this Aliev

Unlike Pashinyan, Aliyev is a competent and intelligent politician.

[DAQ]

One does not contradict the other. And in politics it is rather a compliment.
Yes, he lied competently and cleverly. Or do you really think that he told the truth?
He cleverly plays with facts, in his mouth they are "rubber". He cleverly threw the war (and ceasefire violation) on Pashinyan (hence the slippery one)
You may not like how I described it and you sympathize with Aliyev, but you know that objectively this is so.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nasdaq

Or do you really think that he told the truth?

Everything is said beautifully and diplomatically, but politicians never tell the truth. But against the background of Aliyev with a MGMIO diploma, Pashenyan, as a journalist for small newspapers, loses to Aliyev.

[businessv]

Quote: tihonmarine

Aliyev A competent and smart politician.

... who constantly copies the habits and behavior of his "older brother" Erdogan, including in relation to the Western press.

[YOUR]

You are mistaken about the Western media. He said this when he was in Moscow in an interview with RBC. At the same time, he strongly thanked Erdogan, for the fact that only thanks to his efforts a third force did not intervene in the conflict, did not directly name, but understand Russia. So he thanked Turkey for its help and said that he welcomes the active presence of Turkey in Azerbaijan and Transcaucasia in general.

[DAQ]

Le Figaro is a French edition
https://www.google.com/amp/s/eadaily.com/ru/ampnews/2020/10/24/aliev-nazval-uslovie-pri-kotorom-azerbaydzhan-hot-segodnya-ostanovit-boi

https://www.google.com/amp/s/apa.az/ru/vneshnyaya-politika-azerbaydjana/Prezident-Ilham-Aliev-dal-intervyu-francuzskoj-gazete-Le-Figaro-427143/amp

[YOUR]

RBC is the Russian media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_vfl3SGPE
Listen to it for about 40 minutes of your time, but you will learn a lot of interesting things.

[iouris]

Quote: icant007

It says

that Aliyev is able to hide his thoughts (as a diplomat by education).
If there was good will, the war would not have started. War is not needed, because the territorial affiliation of the district is confirmed at all levels. This "good war" may end badly for him. And not only for him personally.

[bayard]

Quote: icant007

This speaks of the goodwill of Azerbaijan.

Not only, there, in the mountains, the rainy season is now beginning and the mud will be (or is already becoming) impassable - the mountains are clayey, it's hard to walk on the slopes, you can slide down the mud like a snowy hill.
My comrade served in those parts of the Union, and I myself have been in those parts.
Losses in l / s and ammunition expenditures and other military expenditures for the war are also high ... Since it did not work out quickly, we must return to negotiations, but this time from the position of the winner.
The last time (in 1994) the Armenians won and until recently were very proud of this, behaved insolently and defiantly. And now the universal cry for help ...
In general, Aliyev is a fine fellow, that he was the first to declare his readiness for new negotiations and his readiness to cease fire. Otherwise, other, more serious players may be drawn into the conflict. And he does not need either Dashnaks (in NKR) or Syrian robbers at home.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Azerbaijan is waging a war very competently. They don't climb into the mountains, the steppe part was freed, they cut off from Iran, 2 main roads under artillery shelling, completely block the question of desire and time. If the third force does not fit into the war, Armenia will lose Karabakh. In fact, now there is a fork: to storm mountainous areas, completely block the roads and allow the Karabakh army to winter in the mountains without supplies and under constant blows, or conclude a peace treaty (which means the surrender of Artsakh).
The best option is the latter, but I'm not sure that the Armenian authorities have the will to do so, it is one thing to lose Karabakh by military means, and another to sign the paper on "surrender".

[carstorm 11]

it would be rosy the war would have ended.

[Professor]

Quote: YOUR

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.

No. This indicates the cessation of hostilities on the line of the presence of the troops and the return to negotiations, following which Armenia will liberate the occupied territories, the refugees will return home and the status of the NPO in composition of Azerbaijan will be resolved.

[genisis]

Blessed is he who believes

[Yeraz]

Quote: genisis

Blessed is he who believes

5 districts have not been fully returned, so these are just words. The war will not stop.

[NTD]

Quote: YOUR

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.

I wouldn't think so. Not yet evening. Azerbaijan is already carrying out communication in the liberated settlements. Further, ours are definitely returning to their lands (commoners). If you need a video of the battles and the state of the Azerbaijani army, here is a new video for you. Doesn't it look so rosy? https://video.azertag.az/files/video/2020/3/16034870044429038188.mp4

[tihonmarine]

Quote: MTN

If you need a video of the battles and the state of the Azerbaijani army here is a new video for you. Doesn't it look so rosy?

And when was the war "rosy"? War is death and blood on both sides.

[Egor53]

"It says that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops."

I don’t think so. It's just that Aliyev needs to state something all the time.
Judging by the filming provided by Azerbaijan, there is a large-scale destruction of not only Armenian military equipment, but also infantry.
Azerbaijan has much more resources than Armenia. And all the attempts of Armenia to involve Russia in this conflict do not yield results.
It is obvious to me that Azerbaijan will win this war.

[bk0010]

Quote: Egor53

And all the attempts of Armenia to involve Russia in this conflict do not yield results.

Yes, Armenia itself is not very involved in the conflict. The impression is that a friend at the forum was right when he said that Pashinyan was dumping Karabakh for the sake of joining NATO.

[NTD]

Quote: bk0010

Yes, Armenia itself is not very involved in the conflict.

De facto, they have long been involved.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The war, in general, is the last thing: people are dying on both sides and the structure of Azerbaijan is destroyed. But both leaders had previously been uncompromisingly belligerent. It is good that Aliyev spoke about peace: all wars end at some point and a political settlement begins. To be honest, I personally like the restrained and tactful Aliyev more than the cunning and crafty warlike Pashinyan. Although I feel sorry for the Karabakh Armenians, deprived of the right to self-determination ...

[NTD]

Quote: Livonetc

There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.

The Azerbaijani leader stressed that Armenia must recognize the principles of conflict settlementdetermined by the OSCE Minsk Group, after which Baku will return to the negotiating table. The first point of the principles, Armenia must withdraw its troops.

[icant007]

MTN, I've already worked for you)

See second comment above)

[NTD]

Quote: icant007

See second comment above)

Yes you are right. But I still think about Pashinyan) His own will devour him.

[icant007]

Quote: MTN

Yes you are right. But I still think about Pashinyan) His own will devour him.

Such people do not come for a long time. It is clear that this is a temporary figure, so to speak.

[Livonetc]

The content of that format is well known.
To'ko Aliyev recently stated that there would be no return to that format in full.
And our sofoforumniks from Azerbaijan and their politicians stated that now the Armenians of Karabakh will not see wide autonomy either.
End justifies the means.
We will not see any peacemaker represented by Azerbaijan.
He doesn't need the Armenians of Karabakh.
Because this is a chance of repeating problems.
Maybe Azerbaijan, in part, can apply the experience of China on the same Hong Kong / Hong Kong.
But there is a slightly different situation ethnically.
Neither Aomenia nor Azerbaijan have angel wings in this conflict.
Either one of the sides wins, in absolute terms, or a third force intervenes harshly and forces peace.

[NTD]

Quote: Livonetc

And our sofoforumniks from Azerbaijan and their politicians stated that now the Armenians of Karabakh will not see wide autonomy either.

With self-government just not to be seen !!!

Quote: Livonetc

He doesn't need the Armenians of Karabakh.

Many people don't need them. It's your own fault.

Quote: Livonetc

No angel wings in this conflict

This is the same as what you write there are no angel wings in the USSR as in the Nazis of the Germans. You respected must understand the term occupier and victim and correctly distinguish them. then you will understand who is who.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: MTN

You respected must understand the term occupier and victim and correctly distinguish them. then you will understand who is who.

Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region
Largest cities Stepanakert, Shusha
Population
Population 189,1 thousand people. (1989)
Nationalities Armenians - 77% Azerbaijanis - 21,5%
So who occupied whom?

[NTD]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Nationalities Armenians - 77% Azerbaijanis - 21,5%

where is the data from?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: MTN

where is the data from?

http://lraber.asj-oa.am/4067/1/1988-7(43).pdf

[Hello from Baku]

I will answer you with your own words
You dear must understand the term occupier and victim and correctly distinguish them. then you will understand who is who

1992, May 18

74 100

Kalbedzhar region

1993, April 2

88 300

Agdam district

1993, 23 July

191 700

Fuzuli region

1993, 23 August

125 400

Jabrayil region

1993, 23 August

76 600

Kubadly district

1993, 31 August

38 900

Zangilan region

1993, October 29

42 700

Including: in Shusha

Area - 312 sq. Km
Population - 20
Azerbaijanis - 19 (036%)
Armenians - 1 (377%)
Occupied - 1992, May 8

[Hello from Baku]

Well, Karabakh itself does not include Shusha
population about 21 thousand

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

"I think the time has come to achieve a political settlement (...) the status quo and the old line of contact no longer exist, a new reality has emerged."
An interesting point.
There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.
And it is talking about the old line of contact.
So there will be a new line for now, but not a border.
Is it a softening of the position and a transition to a position in the negotiation process?

Most likely, all these statements of Azerbaijan are made in order to have an alibi later when they will cancel their autonomy and status. We will say how many times we have offered a truce, but the Armenians are bad guys. Now if the Armenians go to a truce, it is necessary to set a condition for the resumption of attacks, this is the recognition of Karabakh by the state by Armenia.

[Livonetc]

They need a strong and tough arbiter.
I'm not sure that Russia will pull and take on this burden.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

They need a strong and tough arbiter.
I'm not sure that Russia will pull and take on this burden.

Who then, in your opinion, can undertake so that Russia does not crush all the corns?

[Livonetc]

Except for Russia, no one is capable of this.

[Alena-Baku]

The journalist was French.

[Revolver]

Quote: Livonetc

Is it a softening of the position and a transition to a position in the negotiation process?

This ammunition is running out, and too many 200x are returning to Azerbaijan. Of course, unlike Western democracies, Aliyev's power does not rest on public opinion, but he still listens to it.

[parusnik]

Here, like it starts ..

[NDR-791]

No, it continues.
...announced the discussion of the issue of introducing peacekeepers into the conflict zone. According to him, Baku is not opposed to this initiative, and the OSCE Minsk Group (Russia, France and the United States) will come up with proposals on the composition, timing and number of observers and peacekeepers in Karabakh.
Do not wash, so drag us there. Now the threat is that if not us, then the Americans.

[icant007]

Quote: NDR-791

Do not wash, so drag us there. Now the threat is that if not us, then the Americans.

I think there is nothing for our peacekeepers to do there. They will definitely shoot in the back, and then they will nod at each other.

[NTD]

Quote: icant007

I think there is nothing for our peacekeepers to do there.

Dear Andrey, Russian troops are better than American ones. Without peacekeepers, I do not know how the Armenians and Azerbaijanis will live there ............ it is very dangerous. There, Armenians will quietly live if the troops are only Turkish peacekeepers)))))))))) or Azerbaijani troops. Then I will agree to be calm. But I would not like to see American content there.

[icant007]

The Americans are definitely not. I would rather agree to some third party.

Conditionally Finland, Malaysia.

Or a coalition composition. It's just that Russia will be constantly reproached for all mortal sins. I would not like this.

Although both Armenia and Azerbaijan will certainly prefer Russia.

[paul3390]

Invite the Chinese. If they agree. This is certainly an equidistant side, and they might even be careful not to smack at them ..

[icant007]

Quote: paul3390

Invite the Chinese

Better than the Israelis)

[Piramidon]

Quote: MTN

Russian troops are better than American ones.

And what, only the troops of the two countries can act as peacekeepers? Why not the Chinese, the French, the Germans, or even the Hondurans.

[Tatyana]

Quote: MTN

There, Armenians will quietly live if the troops are only Turkish peacekeepers)))))))))))

MTN (KGB School)! Well, take away from yourself - "(school" KGB) "! Do not dishonor the KGB school, especially since you did not finish it! Well, it is not possible to read you. You have illogical bloopers after bloopers in your comments!

Why did you suddenly decide that

Quote: MTN

There Armenians will quietly live if the troops are only TURKISH peacekeepers))))))))))

Why is it for ?!
- Have you forgotten about the Armenian genocide by the Turks in 1915? Or is this exactly what suits you?
- Have you read or listened to Erdogan's speeches about his Turkey's desire to bring to the end in 2020 with regard to Armenians what the Turks could not finish in 1915-1918? After all, Turkey has not recognized the Armenian genocide by the Turks in 1915-1918 until now! How can this be discounted ?!
- And that the Turks will slaughter all Armenians in a new way - they will slaughter them! Admit it - this is exactly what suits you - a complete cleansing of Karabakh from the Armenians?

And you personally here, illogically cunningly hiding in your comments, do not just covertly stand on the side of the Turks for the momentary benefit of Azerbaijan, but personally for you as an Azeri, the Turkish troops are recognized as a Turkish proxy force on the side of Azerbaijan against the Armenians.
But then the Azerbaijanis will catch ISIS gangs on their land, if they can.
Only that's why you prefer RUSSIAN peacekeepers instead of TURKISH ones.

I wonder how you, an Azerbaijani, can dress up in peacekeeping sheep's skins together with the Turks as a wolf? Do you think that you cannot be understood? You are wrong!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Tatiana

MTN (KGB School)! Well, take away from you - "(school" KGB) "! Do not dishonor the KGB school, especially since you did not finish it!

It clings to the glory of Heydar Aliyev. He really was a Chekist and not bad. My father, a KGB veteran, spoke well of him.

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

Have you not read or listened to Erdogan's speeches about his Turkey's desire to bring to the end in 2020 with regard to Armenians what the Turks could not finish in 1915-1918?

A link can be, so as not to search for a long time?

It seems to you that they have already been reproached here that you often refer to fakes.

[Tatyana]

I did not specifically fix it, but I saw and heard it with my own eyes and ears in Erdogan's speech in his speech on video. In my opinion, it was Erdogan's appeal to the Islamic world and the citizens of Turkey itself about Turkey's active support on the side of Azerbaijan in the issue of the final solution of the Armenian issue and the nationality of Nagorno-Karabakh.

If you yourself track the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, then this is hard to miss!

In addition, one of Vladimir Solovyov's programs - "An Evening with Vladimir Solovyov" - also showed these video footage (with subtitles) of Erdogan's speech on Karabakh and the Armenians with a complete analysis of this speech by the experts present at the program.

Quote: icant007

It seems to you that they have already been reproached here that you often refer to fakes.

You did! If you think something is fake, then don't read it! Nobody pulls you with a string by your eyes.

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

You did! If you think something is fake, then don't read it!

Not only me. If it was only about me, I would not mention it.

In particular, it was about the fact that mercenaries from Syria began to slaughter local Azerbaijanis.

I can't help reading. You still have high authority on VO, and a certain audience trusts you. And you are posting unverified information.

[Tatyana]

Quote: icant007

In particular, it was about the fact that mercenaries from Syria began to slaughter local Azerbaijanis.

And where did you just read this from me ?! Don't troll me!
I wrote something completely different. Namely.

Article "Pashinyan called on the Armenian people to take up arms and defend Karabakh"

Tatyana 22 October 2020 02:05

Quote: Observer2014
They also saw each other's heads in the outburst of their own Nazism. They don't even have prisoners of war in a month. Not fashionable to take prisoners prisoners from them probably.

In such things, one must be more precise. Namely.

First of all. They cut off the head of the CAPTIVE Armenian MILITARY.
Question. Who cut it off? For sure not Azerbaijanis, but Erdogan's pro-Turkish ISIS from Idlib, who are hired by Erdogan and transferred to Azerbaijan for the war with the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: icant007
In particular, it was about the fact that mercenaries from Syria began to slaughter local Azerbaijanis.

And where did you just read this from me ?! Don't troll me!
I wrote something completely different. Namely.

They wrote, you just had the wisdom to delete that comment. )
This is the correct approach. We made a mistake, we fixed it.

And about trolling. You often blame those who point out your mistakes to you for this.

I understand, the feminine approach, but still ...

[Tatyana]

Yes, I did not delete anything! Why are you spinning like in a frying pan ?!
There, in the article on the thread under me, there is not a single deletion of a comment at all!

Otherwise there would be a mark;
"The comment has been removed."

[icant007]

Your comments have been deleted in the history. I specifically looked through. I just don't remember which article it was.

[Tatyana]

There is no need to look there. It won't give you anything.

I repeat to you.

Quote: Tatiana

There, in the article on the thread under me, there is not a single deletion of a comment at all!

By the way, on this thread, neither under me nor before me - in general, no one has deleted comments !!!

Otherwise, there would be a check mark on the branch before my comment;
"The comment has been removed."Such a computer program for" VO ".

You must apologize to me, if you are a decent person!

[icant007]

Sorry, but this is for example :)

[Tatyana]

From there - from the profile - there is no need to take examples, since the comments in the profile simply go one after another precisely by time, and not by articles, and can correspond to completely different articles. Which is the case in this case.

These comments of mine were posted to a completely different article - "Ukraine will build a new Sevastopol" October 22, 2020, in which I exhibited a video about Zelensky. Namely.
"Zelensky plays the Ukrainian anthem on the piano as a member. • October 17, 2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J_ppbmTN4g

The comments turned out to be too cool, and I decided not to post them at all, because because of this video, "VO" may have trouble with the censorship about insulting the anthem of Ukraine.
These 2 comments of mine have been deleted under the 2nd comment on the 1st thread

BDRM 667 October 22, 2020 14:44
Ukraine will build a new Sevastopol
"Sevastopol, Sevastopol, the city of Russian sailors!"
And music video "Legendary Sevastopol - the city of Russian sailors"

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

It is not necessary to take from there, since the comments in the profile simply follow each other exactly by time, and not by articles, and correspond to different articles.

That's why I can't prove it to you. Nevertheless, I remember exactly that mercenaries from Syria began to slaughter local Azerbaijanis.

As I remember, about your words about the genocide of Russians in Azerbaijan in the 90s. To which I answered in a detailed comment.

[icant007]

Quote: Tatiana

There is no need to look there. It won't give you anything.

I myself will figure out where I need to look and where not.
As a member of the VO forum, I have every right to do so.
And you turn the argument into a quarrel.

[Tatyana]

Quote: icant007

And you turn the argument into a quarrel.

Well, then you don't need to troll - and you will be happy!

Quote: icant007

I myself will figure out where I need to look and where not.
As a member of the VO forum, I have every right to do so.

I recognize your right, but only you need to draw the correct conclusions, otherwise you have mixed everything into one heap and present your conclusions as it suits you. Plus, get angry. This is not good on your part.

[icant007]

Tatyana, I must officially inform you. I confused you with Egoza)
Miles sorry, a thousand apologies, misidentified, lost sight))))


Sorry. But I still remain your opponent)

[Tatyana]

Apologies are accepted! Nothing wrong.

[Revolver]

Quote: Tatiana

saw and heard it with my own eyes and ears

Do you really speak Turkish enough to understand the spoken text?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Nagan
Do you really speak Turkish enough to understand the spoken text?

I haven't lost my mind yet. so that absolutely all official legitimate translations from Turkish are considered fake!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: icant007

It seems to you that they have already been reproached here that you often refer to fakes.

If it were just fakes, or else the chief marshal of propaganda, Vladimir Solovyov. What other questions can there be for Tatyana?

[NTD]

Quote: Tatiana

Why did you suddenly decide that
Quote: MTN
There Armenians will quietly live if the troops are only TURKISH peacekeepers))))))))))
Why is it for ?!
- Have you forgotten about the Armenian genocide by the Turks in 1915? Or is this exactly what suits you?

You yourself asked the question and answered. What do you think, if the Turks become peacekeepers, how will the Armenian citizens behave? Quiet! What do you think, if the French become peacekeepers, how will the Armenian citizens behave? Precisely, impudently! What do you think, if the Russian troops become peacekeepers, how will the Armenian citizens behave? Exactly, underground. And here and there. There will definitely not be peace.

And regarding the genocide, the Armenians before the so-called genocide lived in the Ottoman Empire as at home. It was allowed to pray in their churches, the posts of diplomats, Armenians, and suddenly, for some reason, the Turks began to slaughter the Armenians? Do you want to introduce this fable to me? Or given their current land claims to all neighbors, and not the same as what they did in Karabakh in Turkey? Do not powder the brains of people by making them a victim. They have already determined themselves in Armenia. Dot!

[Observer2014]

Aliyev named the conditions for the cessation of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh

Negotiations took place in Washington. Aliyev is making statements. Trump needs Armenian votes in the elections, because there is a diaspora, that's all, the war will continue.

[Thrifty]

Well, yes, you have already concluded a measure twice, which you immediately violated! Aliyev, and Erdogad standing behind him, do not need any ceasefire, because the Azerbaijani troops under the command of the Sultan actually defeated the army of Karabakh. With the use of mainly shock drones and ammunition, "kamikaze" knocked out military equipment, because in the combat zone there was no strong layered air defense system, and the equipment was almost like a clear field, like targets in a shooting range. This is a lesson for us too - the troops must be constantly protected both from the air and by ground air defense systems! Even during exercises, even one platoon! !!!!

[icant007]

Quote: Thrifty

Well, yes, you have already concluded a measure twice, which you immediately violated!

We have adopted the methods of the enemy.

[Livonetc]

The real losses of the Azerbaijani army are great.
The defense of Armenia is still holding.
No matter how Azerbaijani patriots tell us about the acceptability of current victims against the background of past losses.
If Azerbaijan saw the prospects for a rapid offensive, there would be no question of any return to the negotiation process.
Or a different strategy has been adopted.
The fighting will be suspended until next year.
Further unproductive negotiations will continue.
Then the parties will accuse each other of violations and the carnage will continue.
If Aliyev can be considered an independent politician, then Pashinyan does not possess this quality.
And his curators benefit from the continuation of hostilities in the region.
Pressure on Russia and Iran, a reason for pressure on Turkey.
An extremely convenient mess for the Angloskax.

[Alena-Baku]

And what do you want Ilham Aliyev to say for the war, especially to French journalists. Armenia has lost, whether you like it or not.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Livonetc

The real losses of the Azerbaijani army are great.
The defense of Armenia is still holding.

The Armenians also have large losses, and the number of the Armed Forces is three times less. All of southern Karabakh is in the hands of the Azerbaijanis, the front collapsed there. The personnel and equipment of the Armenians are knocked out, the reservists are just cannon fodder. As soon as the Lachin corridor is cut, the war is considered to be over

[NTD]

Quote: Thrifty

Well, yes, you have already concluded a measure twice, which you immediately violated! Aliyev, and Erdogad standing behind him does not need any ceasefire

Aliyev hit Ganja after ceasefire?

Quote: Thrifty

Sultan actually defeated the army of Karabakh

Not the sultan, but the president, if you don't want to write the president, you can replace the commander-in-chief of the Azerbaijani troops.

[Thrifty]

MTN-by the word sultan I mean Erdogad, this is the first thing, and that he is now the commander-in-chief of the Azerbaijani army, those only Turkish ???? This follows from your comment! !!!

[NDR-791]

Aliyev, and Erdogad standing behind him does not need any ceasefire
And we do not need a crowd of barmaley people to gather there, and even under an umbrella like the peacekeepers from the secession. And in general I somehow do not understand ... There is a president in Armenia, then what kind of prime minister is driving there? The system is not clear to me.

[icant007]

Quote: NDR-791

There is a president in Armenia, what kind of prime minister is there then? The system is not clear to me.

Armenia is now a parliamentary republic. There the president is the same as the president in Germany. That is, no)

[NDR-791]

Thanks for the comment. British queen, then? And, excuse me, why is he so needed then? In the same Britain as a tribute to tradition. Is there a tribute to what in Armenia? Fashion? They say the truth - "the first time is a tragedy, the second time is a farce"

[icant007]

Quote: NDR-791

And, excuse me, why is he so needed then? In the same Britain as a tribute to tradition. Is there a tribute to what in Armenia? Fashion?

This is a feature of the parliamentary form of government.

I believe that the transition to a parliamentary form of government in Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan simplifies the influence of external forces on these states.

[NDR-791]

Absolutely agree. But our unnamed why was generous in the amendments? He also expanded the will of the balabol.

[icant007]

Well, we have political parties, as they say, departments from the Department of Internal Policy of the Presidential Administration.

Quote: NDR-791

He also expanded the will of the balabol.

The question is who controls them. If external forces, then bad. If the central government, then the will of the balabols need not be afraid.

In theory, strengthening the role of parliament is not bad. But in practice ...
All the same, everything depends on the specific model of state governance, both formal and non-formal.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NDR-791

sorry, why is he so needed then?

There is a cell in the staffing table. Someone should occupy this position.

[Kerensky]

This is a lesson for us - troops must be protected at all times.

Well, the truth is old, - I halted, take a perimeter defense. There is a time - dig in and disguise yourself. Then more people will come and finish ...
I saw near Rzhev a circular trench of the full profile of the Second World War, 50 meters in diameter, and this is not some key point - the soldiers were resting ...

[rotmistr60]

This statement by Aliyev is more diplomatic than the previous ones, and probably the Armenian side needs to react to it in the same diplomatic way without belligerent insertions. Though

Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan held a number of meetings in Washington, which he called "very productive"

this does not give the Armenian side a guarantee that "the foreign countries (USA) will help us." It's time to really look at things and understand for a long time who exactly can suspend the carnage with the consent of the two belligerent parties.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rotmistr60

this does not give the Armenian side a guarantee that "abroad (the United States) will help us"

Another reason for the Armenians to make sure that the United States will not help them out. They will get off with rhetoric, shake their fingers (maybe), promise ...

[Gordei]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Another reason for the Armenians to make sure that the United States will not help them out. They will get off with rhetoric, shake their fingers (maybe), promise ...

Well if so .. And if it was all planned jointly?

[icant007]

Quote: Gordei

Well if so .. And if it was all planned jointly?

Information for consideration:
At the beginning of 2019, new US ambassadors were appointed almost simultaneously in Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[NTD]

From all this I conclude that the war permit was received for a period of 1 month.

[Alena-Baku]

I think you are wrong. Everyone has their own view of the conflict, personally, I think the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan should be restored, not some autonomy, and Zengezur should go to Azerbaijan if there is no other payment for causing damage over 30 years of conflict. No matter how anyone thought to be America or China, and even Honduras here is the zone of influence of Russia, which means we need to understand what Russia wants. I think the goal of Russian President Putin is to punish Pashinyan. And the punishment of the pashik is not his plea for forgiveness or death, but the fate of Gaddafi or Saddam, so that all traitors would be a lesson. So no war will stop until Pashik is hanged on the monument to Nzhdeh.

[genisis]

End up with psychotropic)

[Alena-Baku]

Looking at Pashinyan's hysteria and Arayik Harutyunyan's letter "Putin, help!" it is not difficult to guess who needs psychotropic drugs.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

This is encouraging news that the two peoples will stop killing each other, let diplomats rather than soldiers fight ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

I'll tell you what will happen next. 
1) Azerbaijan will fight a little more, where it will reach, something will take, then winter and negotiations. The hegemon must somehow react, so winter will go to study the reaction and the emergence of certainty whether to continue the war, or fix the status quo for another 30 years.
2) For formal reasons, Armenia can be temporarily withdrawn from the CSTO, for example, due to insufficient contributions to the defense budget, or for inaccurate payments on military loans .. Well, what would you feel like it is with a bare ass in the cold, surrounded by friends. The base should be mothballed for the same time - locals serve there mainly, they will return back in the spring. Or not.
Militant shouts from Turkey and Azerbaijan during this period will certainly follow, some Armenians in Turkey may even be beaten.
3) The hegemon will count the resources and will either crush or knock down. It will be more difficult to crush - norot was deceived by expectations, the second time is unlikely to be as friendly.

So it goes. 

[Livonetc]

A small addition.
A draft sanctions against Azerbaijan has been submitted to the US Congress.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Livonetc

A small addition.
A draft sanctions against Azerbaijan has been submitted to the US Congress.

The sanctions are targeted. According to the principle of the "Magnitsky Act". Aliyev, Minister of Defense, Chief of the General Staff, etc. Against Azerbaijan, while no sanctions are imposed.

[Stock]

I partially agree, only now everything rests on the Lachin corridor, as I understand it. If Azerbaijan manages to take it then the onset of winter (truce), then the conversation will only go about the terms of Armenia's surrender. Russia does not need this corn on its southern borders.

[Prisoner]

The other day flashed by - Russian services expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that Azerbaijani products did not meet our standards. Was it an accident or not?

[Gordei]

Quote: Captive

The other day flashed by - Russian services expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that Azerbaijani products did not meet our standards. Was it an accident or not?

Onishchenko - special troops of the Rospotrebsoyuz entered the battle !!!!

[Gordei]

Aliyev spoke unflatteringly about Pashinyan, who, according to him, after coming to power "destroyed the peace process with his inflammatory statements and military provocations."

Here I agree with Aliyev .. This little magpie is a cunning fox and is clearly acting on someone's orders ..
And it was no coincidence that Pashinyan rode in the USA, he got new training manuals ... The slaughter continues, Russia keeps silent and focuses, preparing for the worst scenario

[Livonetc]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Livonetc

And our sofoforumniks from Azerbaijan and their politicians stated that now the Armenians of Karabakh will not see wide autonomy either.

With self-government just not to be seen !!!

Quote: Livonetc

He doesn't need the Armenians of Karabakh.

Many people don't need them. It's your own fault.

Quote: Livonetc

No angel wings in this conflict

This is the same as what you write there are no angel wings in the USSR as in the Nazis of the Germans. You respected must understand the term occupier and victim and correctly distinguish them. then you will understand who is who.

Quote: MTN

Quote: Livonetc

And our sofoforumniks from Azerbaijan and their politicians stated that now the Armenians of Karabakh will not see wide autonomy either.

With self-government just not to be seen !!!

Quote: Livonetc

He doesn't need the Armenians of Karabakh.

Many people don't need them. It's your own fault.

Quote: Livonetc

No angel wings in this conflict

This is the same as what you write there are no angel wings in the USSR as in the Nazis of the Germans. You respected must understand the term occupier and victim and correctly distinguish them. then you will understand who is who.

We have long understood who is who.
Both sides are victims of historical grievances and their own ambitions.
Until you rethink the problem and make a real compromise, you will not start living normally.
It's up to you.

[Stock]

What else should he say? He must show peacefulness on the diplomatic front, while simultaneously solving the problem by force of arms whenever possible. Any war will not go on until the complete liberation of the territories, sooner or later the parties will sit down to discuss everything at the negotiating table

[Vadim237]

"Any war will not go on until the complete liberation of the territories." food will not last.

[Angivin]

Quote: Nasdaq

This is Aliyev speaking to Western media
This has nothing to do with reality.
Tries to correct the image and shift the escalation onto the Armenians
Sly and Slippery typical this Aliev

Rather smart and visionary)

[Angivin]

Quote: icant007

Quote: YOUR

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.

This speaks of the goodwill of Azerbaijan.

I agree. Or, at least, about demonstrating it to the world community

[svoit]

Quote: professor

the status of NGOs within Azerbaijan will be resolved.

What's wrong with him? There is simply a civil war on ethnic grounds, so it is not only there.
There is the intervention of third forces. The use of the Armed Forces in this case is prohibited, but Azerbaijan crossed this red line a long time ago.

[Old26]

Quote: YOUR

There are no words about the complete withdrawal of the Armenian troops.

This suggests that everything is not so rosy for the Azerbaijani troops.
Initially, there were Aliyev's words until we completely liberate Karabakh and the citizens of Azerbaijan can return to their homes.

I think you, namesake, are drawing the wrong conclusions. Aliyev recently stated that:

Armenia must recognize the principles of the conflict settlement determined by the OSCE Minsk Group, after which Baku will return to the negotiating table

And the principles set forth by the OSCE Minsk Group provide
1. Complete withdrawal of armed formations from the occupied 7 regions of Azerbaijan
2. Additional consultations on determining the status of Karabakh. But the Armenian side does not agree to this.
Therefore, Aliyev (EMNIP) said that "in this case, there is no question of any autonomy."
What does it mean? I think that after the settlement of the issues with the regions of Azerbaijan seized by Armenia and the complete encirclement of Karabakh, they will simply "squeeze" it. And after the transition of Karabakh under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan, the autonomy of Nagorno-Karabakh can be eliminated and from the NKAO this territory will simply become regions of Azerbaijan. And agreeing to return to the negotiating table after the implementation of the Minsk agreements is a political move by Aliyev, who knows in advance that the other side will not agree to this ...

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Armenia is a member of the CSTO ... it is not in vain that Russian tricolors appear on the Armenian border ...

Which side of the border? Armenian?

[Alexander Kopychev]

Two doves of Peace.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Well, what can they do? After all, you cannot say from a high rostrum - No compromises, war until complete victory. In fact, this video is like a metaphor.

[Evgeny Seleznev]

"From the point of view of international law, this conflict is an example of contradictions between two fundamental principles: on the one hand, the right of the people to self-determination, and on the other hand, the principle of territorial integrity, according to which only a peaceful change of borders is possible by agreement" is a text from the 1994 Wiki ... And then the victory of Armenia with rewriting the borders gave rise to the current revenge. This conflict as a volcano will now be eternity. From abroad.