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From the base to "Basurmanin". Problems of modernization of the BMP-1

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Serial BMP-1. Photo Wikimedia Commons


The Russian army has a large and well-developed fleet of various types of infantry fighting vehicles. Its oldest representative is the BMP-1 family of vehicles - both linear armored vehicles and products based on them. They are old and morally outdated. To continue the operation of such equipment, repair and deep modernization are required. However, until recently this issue had no solution.

A sample from the past


The BMP-1 was put into service in 1966 and then went into production. The production of this technique was launched at several domestic enterprises. The construction of the first model of BMP continued in our country until 1983, after which it was completely replaced by the production of the newer BMP-2. By this time, more than 20 thousand armored vehicles had been produced. The main recipient of the equipment was the Soviet army; some of the products were transferred to friendly countries. In addition, licensed production was organized in several states with Soviet support.

According to the IISS reference book The Military Balance 1991-1992, in the early nineties, the Soviet / Russian army's BMP fleet included 16,5 thousand units, and a significant part of it were vehicles of the first model. There was also a large stock of equipment at storage bases. Subsequently, the number of infantry fighting vehicles in combat units and in reserve was reduced, mainly due to older models.


Experienced BMP-1M with the Cleaver combat module. Photo Russianarms.ru

The Military Balance for the current year shows how the BMP fleet has changed by now. According to the IISS, only 500 BMP-1 BMP-7s remain in combat units now, and approx. 1 thousand cars are in storage. At the same time, the BMP-XNUMX has long lost its leadership in number in the ranks. The reasons for this are obvious, and the main one is moral and physical obsolescence.

Update problem


Various options for updating and improving the BMP-1 have been developed since the seventies. For example, in 1979, a modification of the BMP-1P entered service with the new 9K111 Fagot missile system and smoke grenade launchers. A few years later, a version of the BMP-1D appeared with enhanced protection, but without missiles and the ability to sail - it was intended for use in Afghanistan.

In the nineties, new attempts began to modernize the aging armored vehicle. A number of organizations offered their own options for updating the BMP-1 with the replacement of certain units. Basically, such projects were intended to improve combat performance and provided for the replacement of standard weapons.

So, the project BMP-1-30 "Razbezhka" provided for the installation of a tower from the BMD-2 landing vehicle. Together with it, the infantry vehicle received a 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannon, a PKT machine gun and a Fagot / Konkurs missile system. The possibility of installing a BMP-2 turret with similar weapons was also considered. It was assumed that after such a modernization, the BMP-1 would get rid of the characteristic shortcomings of the 2A28 "Thunder" gun.

From the base to "Basurmanin". Problems of modernization of the BMP-1

BMP-1M from Muromteplovoz. Photo Muromteplovoz.com

Several projects were proposed with a general index BMP-1M. In the version from the Tula Instrument Design Bureau, it provided for the installation of the TKB-799 Kliver combat module with a 30A2 72-mm cannon, a machine gun and four 9K135 Kornet ATGM missiles. The project of the same name from the Muromteplovoz enterprise proposed replacing the original tower with MB2-03 or MB2-05 combat modules. With this modernization, the BMP-1 received a 2A42 cannon, a PKTM machine gun and an AGS-17 grenade launcher or Konkurs missiles.

All options for upgrading the BMP-1 were demonstrated at exhibitions and offered to a potential customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense. However, there were no orders, and the projects did not progress beyond the assembly and testing of experimental equipment. At that time, the army had not yet decided on the need for mass modernization of the BMP-1, and besides, it did not have sufficient funds.

BMP + BTR


In 2018, at the Army forum, NPK Uralvagonzavod presented for the first time yet another project for the modernization of an infantry fighting vehicle - BMP-1AM Basurmanin. This project again proposes the replacement or alteration of part of the units, and the main focus is on updating the weapons complex.

As part of the modernization, Basurmanin receives an UTD-20S1 modification engine manufactured by the Barnaultransmash plant; transmission and chassis are undergoing repair and restoration. New displacement wings are used to improve performance on water.


BMP-1AM at Army-2018. Photo Wikimedia Commons

The standard fighting compartment of the BMP-1 in the AM project is being replaced by a turret cannon and machine gun mount from the BTR-82A armored personnel carrier. She carries a 30-gun 2A72, a PKTM machine gun, 9K115 Metis ATGM and smoke grenade launchers. A combined sight TKN-4GA-01 is used for guidance. The old radio station R-123M is being dismantled and replaced with the modern R-168-25U-2, which ensures integration into modern command and control systems.

The BMP-1AM retains the length and width of the base vehicle, but the height increases to 2,55 m. The combat weight increases to 14,2 tons. The running characteristics remain the same. The crew, as before, includes three people. There are still 8 soldiers in the troop compartment. The exit is through aft doors or upper hatches.

"Basurmane" are coming


The first demonstration of the BMP-1AM vehicle took place at Army-2018. At the same time, reports appeared in the press about the start of serial modernization in 2019, but no details followed.


"Demonstration performance" of an armored vehicle. Photo Bastion-karpenko.ru

In June last year, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense revealed plans for the production of new armored vehicles and the modernization of existing vehicles. Until the end of 2019, it was planned to supply 400 armored vehicles of various types to the troops, incl. BMP-1AM after modernization. In what quantity and where such equipment should have been received was not specified.

Last year news directly pointed to the launch of the serial modernization of existing infantry fighting vehicles. However, the adoption of the AM modification was not reported. Moreover, information of this kind is still lacking.

At the end of June this year, curious photos appeared on profile resources. A train with Basurmans on platforms in the amount of 15-20 units was seen near Barnaul. Most likely, these were serial modernization vehicles heading to the duty station. Thus, the fact of assembling the BMP-1AM receives confirmation, and the score for these machines is already in dozens. It should be borne in mind that the "Barnaul" batch of armored vehicles may not be the first.


Transportation "Basurman" by rail. Photo Twitter.com/airforcefreak

Outdated and promising


Currently, approx. 500 BMP-1. This technique has long become obsolete, but they are not going to write it off yet. The consequence of this is the modernization project of the BMP-1AM "Basurmanin". Its implementation has already started, and the first updated machines by now could get into parts.

It is easy to see that the Basurmanin project, with all its advantages, provides for a limited revision of the original design. In fact, only the fighting compartment is replaced, while the power plant as a whole, the armored hull, etc. remain the same and retain the original characteristics. As a result, some of the parameters and capabilities are improving, but otherwise it remains the old BMP-1. With all this, modernization does not require large costs.

The BMP-1AM project has both pros and cons. However, it is a forced and temporary measure, and its main goal is to maintain the operability and suitability of outdated equipment. The extension of the resource and the replacement of weapons will allow the updated combat vehicles to remain in service for another 10-12 years. And by the time the Basurman is decommissioned, the army will have time to obtain a sufficient number of new-generation infantry fighting vehicles and carry out a full-fledged re-equipment with all the desired results.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 October 2020 18: 40
    +3
    BMP-1AM "Basurmanin" looks nice on the platform.
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 26 October 2020 19: 00
      +2
      It looks great on the move too.
  2. Elturisto
    Elturisto 26 October 2020 18: 50
    +3
    Why the author does not like the UTD-20 engine
  3. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 26 October 2020 19: 01
    +1
    A strange name: Basurmanin.
    You could have come up with something more neutral.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 29 October 2020 18: 04
      0
      as they say, the car was created purely for export, and since, without purchases for their army, few people would want to take, so they decided to buy a certain amount ... as an armored personnel carrier, maybe it will go, but how the BMP-UG remains ... provided that on btr-82A this year showed an uninhabited tower with an ATGM ... Yes, and the same tower from the BMD-2M could be installed, 2 cornet, a modern fire control system ... and in order not to take a steam bath, make towers from armored steel ..
  4. Lesorub
    Lesorub 26 October 2020 19: 08
    +4
    the fact of assembling the BMP-1AM receives confirmation, and these machines are already counting dozens

    Modernization is really a positive moment - in the troops of BMP 1 there are no more than a thousand - the rest are in storage, but it is necessary to look at the prompt renewal and entry into the troops of "Kurganets 25"
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 October 2020 20: 12
      +6
      Kurganets is the future. For some reason, no one wants to understand the fact that building them even for a thousand is a matter of many years. And you need a lot more than a thousand. Therefore, it is necessary to bring the Kurgan to an ideal state, since it will replace the old generation for many decades.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 26 October 2020 22: 41
        +5
        Quote: carstorm 11
        For some reason, no one wants to understand the fact that building them even for a thousand is a matter of many years.

        If the situation is like with our astronautics, then probably for many decades.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Therefore, it is necessary to bring the Kurgan to an ideal state, since it will replace the old generation for many decades.

        Well, or it will become obsolete and you can cut money on a new project. And then how are we worse than the Americans with their long-suffering epic of replacing raving?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 27 October 2020 02: 49
          0
          what does space have to do with it?) thanks not to agriculture you are comparing. this is an elementary thing. in the troops of thousands of infantry fighting vehicles. combatants. and they need to be replaced.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2020 12: 30
            0
            You perfectly understand what it has to do with it. No need to pretend. Ok, change well. We have a wonderful BMP 3 in production.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 27 October 2020 12: 41
              +1
              I understand you perfectly. you just do not want to understand the basic things that rearmament of the army even with a new pistol is years of work and huge funds. and the rearmament of a new machine, the number of which is calculated in thousands of pieces, is even more complicated and expensive. one hundred pieces a year you can calculate how many years it takes for this to happen.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2020 13: 32
                0
                And what about a hundred pieces? Is the industry raised from its knees not pulling? I perfectly understand what our sovereign capitalism is.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 27 October 2020 13: 38
                  +2
                  build a couple of factories that will certainly greatly speed up the release. and when you finish with them, what are you going to do? for example 90 will we demolish nafig?) factories without orders seem to not live)
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2020 14: 52
                    +2
                    I wonder why Stalin did it. And the current effective ones can only demolish? Directly a mystery. Instead of re-equipping the army with at least BMP 3, we are rolling out an upgrade of the frankly outdated BMP 1 that does not correspond to the tasks of the BMP 15 in the form of a great overhaul. Well, you don’t dance with the T-3. But at least the BMP XNUMX could be purchased. But not in the yachts for a billion to their loved ones, they can, but in production they cannot. And to hell with these Vaniks and Mahmuds and other Ashot women give birth to new women.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 27 October 2020 15: 09
                      +2
                      Why Stalin?) start with Tsar Pea right away) then what you are talking about is called modernization. this is what happens all the time in any large army. the fact that the states of Bradley have been producing and modernizing their own since the seventies does not bother you all the time. BMP 1 in the army is very little left and the main one, it is not considered to go nuts for many years. but there are thousands of them on the bases. you want to melt them on needles?
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2020 15: 24
                        0
                        Upgrade to the level of delirium, then we'll talk. Not necessarily on pins and needles. But not in the role of BMP.
                    2. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 29 October 2020 18: 07
                      -1
                      and who has spent a billion instead of BMP on a yacht .. can you find out?
                      1. marat2016
                        marat2016 30 October 2020 17: 14
                        0
                        There are reviews on the yachts of the Russian oligarchs. Not hard to find ....
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 30 October 2020 17: 45
                        -1
                        But where does the oligarchs have to do with it? Or should they throw off and buy equipment? You can just as well demand that people throw off the BMP in their yards ..
                      3. marat2016
                        marat2016 1 November 2020 13: 24
                        0
                        Yes, within the framework of the existing system, they are outside the letter and spirit of the law ... Like during 1 MV. Only then did 1917 happen.
                      4. marat2016
                        marat2016 1 November 2020 13: 26
                        0
                        The first twenty boats of Russian billionaires surpassed in value all warships built in the current decade for the Russian Navy.

                        Electrical installations comparable in capacity to nuclear power plants, local armoring, military-range radars, suppression and electronic warfare systems, airborne systems, mini-submarines and helicopters ... They are unmatched in size and level of equipment. At the same time, the price of only one megayacht can easily exceed the cost of upgrading the TARKR “Admiral Nakhimov.
                      5. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 1 November 2020 21: 46
                        -1
                        what kind of ships is this for example? bring a couple of pieces
                      6. marat2016
                        marat2016 2 November 2020 08: 21
                        0
                        162-meter Eclipse (“Eclipse).

                        In terms of size and displacement, the cruiser RRC “Marshal Ustinov and the yacht roughly correspond to each other, with a slight difference - the Eclipse is 2000 tons larger than the RRC.
                      7. marat2016
                        marat2016 2 November 2020 08: 23
                        0


                        162-meter Eclipse (“Eclipse).

                        In terms of size and displacement, the cruiser RRC “Marshal Ustinov and the yacht roughly correspond to each other, with a slight difference - the Eclipse is 2000 tons larger than the RRC.

                        $ 1,2 billion for a dream, and believe me, it's worth it.
                      8. marat2016
                        marat2016 2 November 2020 08: 24
                        0
                        Owner - Roman Abramovich
                      9. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 2 November 2020 17: 28
                        -1
                        so that is better, otherwise the screams are empty, it is not interesting to listen to ... and now the key question ... why the oligarchs should buy frigates and cruisers at their own expense ...
                      10. marat2016
                        marat2016 2 November 2020 18: 31
                        +1
                        The question is, how long will the Russian Federation with the oligarchs last ...
                      11. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 2 November 2020 20: 18
                        -1
                        lol ... that is. except for shouts about "the neighbor's cow is thicker and the wife of boobs" you can't say anything about the case?)
                      12. marat2016
                        marat2016 3 November 2020 09: 52
                        0
                        If you consider the current state of affairs to be normal .......
                      13. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 13: 16
                        -1
                        laughing those. you want a bunch of dough and do nothing? have you tried to work?
                      14. marat2016
                        marat2016 3 November 2020 18: 48
                        0
                        It seems to me that stealing is quite a noble job for you ...
                      15. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 3 November 2020 19: 19
                        -1
                        lol, i.e. you don't work, but you want a yacht ... and you accuse me of theft)
                      16. marat2016
                        marat2016 4 November 2020 08: 58
                        0
                        1. I don't work? 2. Not needed for nothing. Although the house is 100 meters from the sea. 3. I do not blame, God forbid ... You may not mind, but you do not know how and are afraid. I still live in Odessa and understand about theft :))).
                      17. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 4 November 2020 14: 09
                        -2
                        aaa ... so you are Ukrainian ... it's clear, understandable, I don't want to talk to patients
                      18. marat2016
                        marat2016 4 November 2020 16: 56
                        0
                        I am more Russian than many of the inhabitants of erefia ..... Let's finish with this.
                      19. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 4 November 2020 17: 44
                        -2
                        laughing yeah .. "we are gussies, do not deceive each other" ..
  5. marat2016
    marat2016 2 November 2020 08: 27
    0
    https://go.mail.ru/redir?type=sr&redir=eJzLKCkpsNLXLy8v10tJzNFLqtTPSy0v1je01De00DU00AWSpvoMDIZmBibGFgamFsYMKeeifYy5Dx94JBfvH7jrTgYAlVUUlQ&src=5287dd0&via_page=1&user_type=44&oqid=e7e589babe07d7f6
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 29 October 2020 18: 06
    -1
    We take a calculator and calculate .. the most optimistic deliveries are no more than 150 vehicles per year .. taking into account the novelty, it is unlikely that more than 80 per year will be mastered .. the troops need EMNIP 4 BMPs ... ie. from 000 to 27 years .. So it will take a very long time to modernize the equipment ..
  • storm
    storm 26 October 2020 19: 10
    -2
    Nothing prevents today from releasing Basurmanin with enhanced armor from 12,7 in a circle, an anti-mine shield for the crew, cumulative grids from RPGs and explosion-proof seats for the landing
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 26 October 2020 19: 40
      +4
      Probably the chassis and narrow tracks of the base model still interfere. Will not pull the increased weight of the product. We and BMP-2D because of this did not take root.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 October 2020 20: 54
      11
      "Nothing interferes"
      That doesn't bother some civilians.
      In fact, you cannot shove in something that is not pushed in. Those. It is not possible to obtain a level of protection from light armored vehicles like that of a 50 ton heavy infantry fighting vehicle.
      Protection of light infantry fighting vehicles in mobility, accurate fire and, of course, in the right tactics.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 26 October 2020 22: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        In fact, you cannot shove in something that is not pushed in. Those. it is impossible for light armored vehicles to obtain a level of protection like that of a 50 ton heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

        I agree with this opinion.
        Although industrialists offer options for enhancing protection, but, ideally, equipment should be used in those tasks for which it was created.
        BMP-2



        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 27 October 2020 08: 30
          +5
          BIP-1 was created to drive through the still lukewarm radioactive wastelands.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 27 October 2020 10: 34
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            BIP-1 was created to drive through the still lukewarm radioactive wastelands.
            That is, purely for pokatushek in the ashes? then she doesn't need armor, a tin case with a protective lining and a supercharger with a filter would be enough.
            1. pereselenec
              pereselenec 27 October 2020 12: 37
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              when she doesn't need armor, a tin case would be enough


              And she, in essence, has no armor.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 27 October 2020 17: 05
                0
                Quote: pereselenec
                And she, in essence, has no armor.

                It depends on what you compare it to. If with a tank, then yes, the armor is weak. And if with a truck covered with tarpaulin and with benches for transporting personnel, with the same BTR-50-60-70 -?
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2020 21: 55
                  0
                  With the same BTR-50-60-70 it is quite comparable.
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 29 October 2020 18: 08
      -1
      the problem is that the conversion will cost the same as a new BMP ..
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 4 November 2020 10: 23
      -2
      the cost of the alteration is very high .. to understand the capital of the T-72B and the modernization to the level of the T-72B3 stood at one time as a new T-90A .. If not the greed of UVZ, which raised the price of the new T-90, then the army would buy 90 and further .. but since the price has increased, we decided to modernize the old tanks, by the way, "it's cheaper to buy Leopards" is a phrase about this story.

      So it's simple: to upgrade BMP-2 to Berezhka's level and purchase BMP-3m, ideally launch a new plant for the production of BMP-3 or BMP-3m dragoon hulls in Tula and assemble there ... catching up with deliveries of new BMPs up to 300 vehicles per year .. By the way, I won't be very surprised if I hear that heavy infantry fighting vehicles of the BMO-T / BTR-T type will eventually be produced on the basis of the T-72 / T-72A .. For there are a lot of tanks, but you need to put somewhere
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 26 October 2020 19: 36
    29
    BMP 1 is an excellent vehicle with excellent armor, but not for the battlefield, but for the rear. If you really do not want to write off the old man, you repurpose him. A tower with weapons in the negative. In this weight, spaced screens to better hold the fragments. And to the rear. To carry trays and Sanya. At field hospitals to crawl through the mud. There is a lot of dirty, complicated, hard work in the rear. And the old man can do it.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 26 October 2020 20: 31
      +9
      Quote: garri-lin
      And to the rear. To carry trays and Sanya. At field hospitals to crawl through the mud. There is a lot of dirty, complicated, hard work in the rear. And the old man can do it.
      Do you want to take away "bread" from MT-LB ...
      MT-LB sanitary
      MT-LB sanitary.
      Today, on the contrary, they "arm" everything they can ...
      MT-LB M1B2
      MT-LB M1B2. However, the "modernization" of the BMP-1 to the level of the BMP-1G (truck) suggested itself from the very beginning of the production of the BMP-2. Not endlessly "modernizing" the BMP-1, but immediately transferring it "to the rear" as a "truck" - replacing the rear doors with swing gates (like a garage), removing the central post for easy loading and unloading.
      Kurganets-25
      Here's how Kurganets-25.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 26 October 2020 20: 36
        +4
        From weapons, maximum DUM from 12,7. MTLB hard worker. But they are not produced. And a well-traveled tracked chassis in the rear never hurts. Cars in this form are inert even for export.
    2. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 27 October 2020 06: 12
      0
      Quote: garri-lin
      the old man can do it.

      One of my teachers used to say that an ideal machine is a machine that does not exist, but its functions are performed. I always cited a penny as an example. Replace the engine, observation devices, radio station, and there you have the perfect car.
  • deniso
    deniso 26 October 2020 20: 44
    +2
    For the modernization of the BMP-1 there is a combat module "Berezhok" which includes both an ATGM and a grenade launcher !!! Why reinvent the wheel ???
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 26 October 2020 21: 33
      +3
      The roof of the hull needs to be redone, because the pagon towers of the BMP-1 and BMP-2 have different diameters. And what is written on the KBP website, they write different things on the fence ...
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 26 October 2020 21: 05
    +1
    "The army will have time to get a new generation BMP ..."
    God forbid, god forbid
  • businessv
    businessv 26 October 2020 21: 34
    +3
    And by the time the Basurman is decommissioned, the army will have time to get a sufficient number of new-generation infantry fighting vehicles and carry out a full-fledged re-equipment with all the desired results.
    Kirill, thanks for the article, it was interesting, I read it with pleasure. I drove more than a dozen kilometers on an old woman, but then she was still a relatively new technique, from which the spirit of modernity breathed.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 October 2020 22: 15
    -3
    So I'm wondering who calls THAT a product that is supposed to be sold in the B.Vostok.
    Quote: "Basurman, Basurmanin (distorted from" Muslim ") is a designation of a person of a different (non-Christian) faith - non-Orthodox, non-believer, foreigner, ill-wisher, barbarian." End of quote.
    What do they think?
  • erased
    erased 26 October 2020 22: 42
    +3
    It's okay. Cars will soon be modernized, noting maneuverability and low noise. What then, chariots and cavalry?
    The Russian Federation has neither the strength nor the means to saturate the army with new (and not re-modernized) models of equipment. Alas, this is a fact, Ms Duke.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 26 October 2020 22: 46
    +4
    I believe that the old armored vehicles - the one that is mothballed and capable of moving independently - needs to be modernized, without fanaticism, but to the mid-modern level. Moreover, the BMP, which is essentially a lightly armored vehicle, whose task is to quickly deliver the infantry to the battlefield, covering it with the fire of onboard weapons. And such a transport in a big and small war does not happen much. The main thing is not to let them in the attack themselves - they will burn them like matchboxes. This transport is protected from fragments and bullets. And no more.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 27 October 2020 08: 48
      +2
      According to the regulations, they have a distance behind the tanks in the attack. In general, at least 15 mm, at least 150, the grenade launcher will pierce in any case.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2020 15: 30
        0
        It's only at 150 mm that the remote sensing can be installed, and here everything is not so clear. And shrapnel from shell explosions and machine guns with small-caliber artillery are easier to carry for health at 150 mm. Well, other mines.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 27 October 2020 00: 50
    +1
    The extension of the resource and replacement of weapons will allow the updated combat vehicles to remain in service for another 10-12 years. And by the time the Basurman is decommissioned, the army will have time to obtain a sufficient number of new-generation infantry fighting vehicles and carry out a full-fledged re-equipment with all the desired results.

    It will receive the required number, but only due to the general reduction of the BMP (including BMP) ... and not due to saturation with new samples ...
  • spectr
    spectr 27 October 2020 00: 50
    -2
    In June last year, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense revealed plans for the production of new armored vehicles and the modernization of existing vehicles. Until the end of 2019, it was planned to supply 400 armored vehicles of various types to the troops, incl. BMP-1AM after modernization. In what quantity and where such equipment should have been received was not specified.

    Last year's news directly indicated the launch of a serial modernization of existing infantry fighting vehicles. However, the adoption of the AM modification was not reported. Moreover, information of this kind is still lacking.

    In Syria, they probably run in as usual before being adopted. Or maybe they have already checked and the most critical flaws are being eliminated.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 27 October 2020 01: 20
    +7
    You just don't understand the essence of BMP-1. This is not a universal combat vehicle capable of shooting down strategic bombers, but a modest all-terrain vehicle capable, if you really need to bang out of a small cannon. If you do not jump out of your tasks and do not try to break through the Mannerheim line on them, then this is quite a good car today.
  • Tektor
    Tektor 27 October 2020 12: 13
    +1
    I would keep the BMP-1 away from the front line and place 1L227 Sobolyatnik radars on them to illuminate the tactical situation in the tactical link in real time. This is the only useful purpose for the BMP-1.
  • maximghost
    maximghost 27 October 2020 13: 04
    +4
    Everywhere they write that the Basurman has a "mestizo". But neither the gun itself, nor even the attachment under it is visible.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 27 October 2020 14: 37
    0
    Pochemu ne modernizaciey BMP-2 nezanialis a tratit dengi na nezmerno ustarevshiy khlam BMP-1?
    A BMP-1 v til kak gruzoviki, tyagachi itd.
    Kde tut logika ?!
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas 27 October 2020 18: 11
    0
    God, what a horror, for some reason I remembered that the Basurman was invented for export, and he was in the army. Yes, the BMP-1 is not morally outdated, it is physically outdated, it is already scrap metal, and it will be more logical to remelt them. Quiet horror.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 19: 13
    -2
    Quote: CastroRuiz
    Pochemu ne modernizaciey BMP-2 nezanialis a tratit dengi na nezmerno ustarevshiy khlam BMP-1?
    A BMP-1 v til kak gruzoviki, tyagachi itd.
    Kde tut logika ?!
    Why did the BMP-1 become trash? ... Many modern armored vehicles are far from it.
    The logic is that in addition to the several hundred in the troops, thousands are in storage. It is much cheaper to upgrade the BMP-1 with a new turret with a 30mm cannon and a 7,62mm machine gun, having received a magnificent tracked armored personnel carrier at least. Although the absence of an ATGM does not make a tracked armored personnel carrier out of such an option for upgrading the BMP.
    As a result, we get an excellent example of a floating armored vehicle for infantry, ideal for our landscape and conditions.

    And the BMP-1 is more comfortable than the BMP-2 in terms of habitability, the modernized one will become even more fun in this regard.
    1. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz 27 October 2020 21: 44
      +1
      Vi mnohom prav, no vipushchennikh bolee sovremennikh a modernizovanikh BMP-2 khvatilo bi dla rossiyskikh sukhoputnikh voysk.
    2. infantryman2020
      infantryman2020 28 October 2020 07: 48
      +1
      The habitability for both is the same and it is "below the plinth".
      Only MT-LB can surpass them in uninhabitability, although I really respect this car.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 October 2020 08: 15
    -1
    Quote: infantryman2020
    The habitability for both is the same and it is "below the plinth".
    Only MT-LB can surpass them in uninhabitability, although I really respect this car.

    It depends on what and with what to compare, I am only talking about the difference between the BMP-1 and the BMP-2, the motorcycle league is another story. I can judge about the three listed, the BMP-3 I do not know, not a Muscovite, frankly speaking, there was no chance even to look closely at the latest developments. Which BMP are you comparing with?

    Quote: CastroRuiz
    Vi mnohom prav, no vipushchennikh bolee sovremennikh a modernizovanikh BMP-2 khvatilo bi dla rossiyskikh sukhoputnikh voysk.
    The BMP-2 is relatively more or less modern, in the event of a large-scale conflict and losses, the upgraded BMP-1 will be very appropriate.
    At one time, when there was talk about the modernization of the BTR-70, many in my circle believed that it was easier to get a normal tracked armored personnel carrier by upgrading the BMP-1 stored in storage. Modern sights, a two-plane stabilizer for a gun with large elevation angles, a new and more advanced radio station with the ability to receive and transmit data.
    The absence of an ATGM on a vehicle is easier to solve due to the anti-tank compartment on the BMP-1M and the creation of special vehicles on the chassis of the same BMP-1 in the image and likeness of the self-propelled version on the BMP-3 chassis with the Kornet ATGM. ATGM on the BMP-2, taking into account the presence of only one ATGM and the impossibility of launching two ATGMs in a short interval at one target, and this is necessary taking into account the development of dynamic and active protection of tanks, makes the standard ATGM on the BMP-2 not so effective an anti-tank weapon ...
    1. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz 28 October 2020 16: 53
      +1
      Pri vsem uvazheni k Vam schitayu modernizáciu BMP-1 oshibkou ili podkovernimi igrami / lobing.
      Est zapushchen projekt modernizacie BMP-2M s modulem Berezhok. Vpolne sovremennaya mashina. Ikh uzhe vipustili min. 124 shtuk.
      Modernizovat vse prigodnie starie BMP-2 a BMP-1 v til ili util.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 October 2020 20: 39
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    Quote: CastroRuiz
    Pri vsem uvazheni k Vam schitayu modernizáciu BMP-1 oshibkou ili podkovernimi igrami / lobing.
    Est zapushchen projekt modernizacie BMP-2M s modulem Berezhok. Vpolne sovremennaya mashina. Ikh uzhe vipustili min. 124 shtuk.
    Modernizovat vse prigodnie starie BMP-2 a BMP-1 v til ili util.

    The BMP-2 with the "Berezhok" combat module, of course, will have greater firepower. But many BMP-1 in storage are machines with 70-80% of the resource, it would be a big waste to put them in the scrap. The BMP-1, if you take only the chassis, is not inferior to many modern armored personnel carriers and quite a few infantry fighting vehicles, in countries with a more favorable military budget, they are still in service, modernized and even produced by the American M113 armored personnel carriers, which are significantly inferior to the BMP-1.

    Speaking about lobbying. We have a lot of imitations when poor MRAPs are riveted, or for example, huge funds are now being spent on a wheeled version of the Coalition self-propelled guns unnecessary for our troops for a hundred years, or thanks to the lobbying you mentioned, the BTR-82 continues to rivet, which will not leave the old BTR-60PB. As for me personally, I would prefer a battalion on a modernized BMP-1 with the same combat module than on an BTR-82.
  • Diverter
    Diverter 29 October 2020 22: 27
    +1
    I think that the modernization has not been completed completely. I would propose to modify the body according to the BMP-1D project. Those. to strengthen the bottom, sides, roof.