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"The effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is questionable" - Director of the Marshall Fund Office in Turkey

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Tests of the Russian-made S-400 air defense complex, purchased last year from Moscow, took place last week in the northern Turkish province of Sinop - in the Black Sea region. The fact of the tests was confirmed by Ankara on Thursday. Although it would be strange not to confirm this data, if a video of the transfer of air defense systems and missile launches appeared on the network before.


Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, answering American journalists when asked about their deployment, said that the S-400 will not be integrated into the NATO command and control structure, but instead will be "used as an autonomous system", just like the one in service with the North Atlantic alliance S-300. So Akar made a reference to the complex that is in service with Greece: he referred to Athens, which has S-300 air defense systems and Russian-made missiles in its arsenal.

Experts believe that an official statement by Turkey on testing an air defense system purchased from the Russian Federation could provoke tensions between Ankara and Washington, which claims that Russian missiles pose a serious threat to the military equipment of the alliance.

According to Ozgur Unluhisarjikli, director of the Turkish office of the analytical center of the German Marshall Fund of the United States, Turkey's argument that the S-400 will be an autonomous system not connected to the NATO radar network did not reassure the Americans. In addition, the expert believes that the effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is highly questionable. According to the director of the Turkish office of the Marshall Foundation, the S-400 was not initially created as a separate complex.

In particular, experts point out how the S-400 is being used by Russia in Syria - in a system with other air defense and early warning systems (including means of obtaining data from space). It is in such a system that the complex is most effective.
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  1. PCA
    PCA 23 October 2020 13: 13 New
    +2
    TOPIC VO "The effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is questionable" - Director of the Marshall Fund Office in Turkey

    I do not know. But I'll try to spit. Director with no name.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 October 2020 13: 21 New
      0
      Ignorance is no excuse.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 23 October 2020 13: 22 New
      +6
      Is he a military man?
      It seems to be a clerk in an NGO, The same sofa expert as we all are.
      1. A009
        A009 23 October 2020 17: 19 New
        +8
        Kapets.He has yet to grow and grow before us. He is not even registered on VO!
    3. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 23 October 2020 13: 31 New
      +9
      The Vietnamese publication DatViet drew attention to the trials by Turkey, purchased from Russia, of the S-400 Triumph air defense system.

      “Turkey has finally tested in real combat conditions the S-400 Triumph, purchased from Russia, despite the US threats. Previously, no exercises using these anti-aircraft missile systems attracted such attention, "
      Vietnamese military experts wrote in their material.







      Journalists noted that during the Turkish exercises, Russian systems easily destroyed three British Meggitt BTT-3 Banshee drones, which were purchased by Turkey specifically for testing air defense systems.








      Vietnamese journalists recalled that this is not the first test of Russian systems. Last year, Ankara tested Russian radar systems against its F-16 Fighting Faicon and F-4E Phantom II fighters. The test results also fully satisfied the Turkish military. The S-400 radars confidently captured targets at different altitudes.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 October 2020 13: 40 New
        -11 qualifying.
        In real combat and exercises, they are not the same thing.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 23 October 2020 14: 08 New
          +1
          By itself. laughing But after all, they filled up the fez bought from the British UAVs. I wonder why they didn't work on their own? Probably sorry. hi
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 00: 07 New
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          Quote: Avior
          In real combat and exercises, they are not the same thing.

          This seems to be from the Israeli methodology? This is not the first time I have come across this "thesis" in relation to the S-400. Usually, as far as I remember, he was nominated precisely by those who were "not indifferent" to our affairs with the GI registration.
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 October 2020 08: 49 New
            +1
            Do you know what folk wisdom says about what to do when it seems?
            The participant above wrote at the beginning that it was tested in real combat conditions, but from the text it turned out that it was about exercises.
            ... Turkey has finally tested the S-400 Triumph in real combat conditions ....

            And my remark was not about the s-400, but the quotation he quoted, which misleads the readers, as if the Turks carried out combat use.
            As for the difference between a polygon and real combat use, this is obvious, and applies to any weapon, without exception, whether American, Russian, Israeli, Turkish, whatever.
            hi
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 22: 03 New
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              Quote: Avior
              Do you know what folk wisdom says about what to do when it seems?

              Ask a question head-on and either dispel doubts or confirm them? request
              In terms of combat use, it cannot be denied, it has its own characteristics. Moreover, depending on the realities of this application, the features will vary significantly, because even combat use is different from combat use. It is one thing to shoot down individual gravitational workers of artisanal craftsmen, and another thing to participate in repelling a massive attack by a technologically advanced enemy.
              As for the Turks specifically, in my opinion, the best thing they could do with our complex is to return it to the supplier. They do not need training launches, or combat launches, or the S-400 itself, or in general - air defense, as such, or weapons in general. Themselves will be more whole.
    4. venik
      venik 23 October 2020 18: 53 New
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      Quote: PPSh
      Director with no name.

      =======
      But why? - Ozgur Unluhisardzhikli (oh, well, a name! belay ) ....
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 October 2020 13: 14 New
    +7
    Duc like ours and did not refuse to sell other air defense systems to create echeloned air defense. What is this stuffing, still want?
    1. Machito
      Machito 23 October 2020 13: 23 New
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      Quote: tralflot1832
      Duc like ours and did not refuse to sell other air defense systems to create echeloned air defense. What is this stuffing, still want?

      If the S-400 is ineffective, why is there such a panic in the United States? The Turkish statements look like an attempt to reassure the United States about the purchase of Russian "trash". But experts cannot be fooled by these statements.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 23 October 2020 13: 30 New
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        Panic because the complex is similar and was originally bought as anti-NATO .. ​​With an aim to shoot down if Th dear alliance partners. And the stump is clear - no one was going to integrate it into NATO air defense structures. The whole point of the acquisition would be lost.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 23 October 2020 13: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: paul3390
          bought originally as anti-NATO
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 13: 58 New
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        Quote: Bearded
        If the S-400 is ineffective, why is there such a panic in the United States?

        What else can you expect from the Marshall Fund? To praise our complexes? What kind of rockets are there if we even have "undemocratic" gas and they have "freedom molecules"?
        Show me someone - where is "freedom" in these molecules?
  3. Voentorg
    Voentorg 23 October 2020 13: 17 New
    -5
    What Russia sold them at all,
    S-400-E?
    How much worse is the S-300-M?
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    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 23 October 2020 14: 05 New
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      By autonomy, the Turks understand the independence of this complex from NATO.
      Those. it cannot be turned off with a button from Washington.
      And this expert is trying to substitute concepts.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 26 October 2020 08: 52 New
        0
        Only with a button from Moscow
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 13: 25 New
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    We started to drain the C400. They do not need other people's air defense systems, they need technologies and samples, they will massively produce their own air defense systems. Korkut, Hisar A / O provide short, medium and short range air defense. Further, we need to increase the range and quality, this requires technology.

  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 October 2020 13: 29 New
    +6
    What's the joke here? Turn up the Turkish news. Before the S-400 was put into service, the Greeks flew to the Turks without interruption. Now, even though the Turks are insolently chopping off a deposit near Cyprus, no one has even heard of this. And why? The S-400 reaches all the way to Cyprus - it's dumb to fly! That's the whole answer to your inefficiency stories.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 23 October 2020 15: 05 New
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      Before the S-400 was put into service, the Greeks flew to the Turks without interruption.

      The Greeks flew in return. For the Turks violated their border 150 times a year in the "disputed" areas.
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  7. newcomer
    newcomer 23 October 2020 13: 31 New
    +4
    Not at all surprised by the words of the enty clerk from the Marshall Foundation. On the contrary, it would have been wonderful to hear from him praise both the system itself and the buyer. laughing
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 October 2020 13: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      it's wonderful to hear praise from him
  8. Gunther
    Gunther 23 October 2020 13: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: PPSh
    TOPIC VO "The effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is questionable" - Director of the Marshall Fund Office in Turkey

    I do not know. But I'll try to spit. Director with no name.

    Ozgur Unluhisardzhikli evoy name drinks , he is a great specialist in everything, an analyst ...
    1. PCA
      PCA 23 October 2020 13: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      Ozgur Unluhisardzhikli is a war name, he is a great specialist in everything, an analyst ...

      Gunther (Heinrich) and OgnennyiKotik. Tamara and I are a couple drinks good
  9. bald
    bald 23 October 2020 13: 46 New
    0
    There is such, the concept of a toggle switch (abbreviated), and he, in turn, switches the operating mode (also abbreviated).
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 23 October 2020 13: 51 New
    +1
    Well, they will have to set up a NATO radar network for the S-400. laughing
  11. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 23 October 2020 13: 54 New
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    In particular, experts point out how the S-400 is used by Russia in Syria.
    is it used there? and how are you progressing, how many goals were shot down?
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 23 October 2020 14: 00 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      is it used there? and how are you progressing, how many goals were shot down?

      The very term "use" of an anti-aircraft missile system does not mean at all that its launcher should shuffle missiles right and left. This is a COMPLEX, not just "four pipes" with missiles.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 23 October 2020 14: 54 New
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        those. SAM is applied, does this mean the radar is working? for this, the air defense system is not needed, the radar is enough
  12. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 23 October 2020 14: 22 New
    -2
    Their grenades are of the wrong system ...
  13. Kart
    Kart 23 October 2020 14: 27 New
    +4
    "The effectiveness of an aircraft carrier as an independent unit is questionable"
    You can say so, for example.
  14. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 14: 36 New
    0
    Yes, the experts are probably right - they will be thrown into the forest, like a lonely farm, and they will receive a monkey with a grenade.
  15. And Makarov
    And Makarov 23 October 2020 15: 04 New
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    The effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is questionable

    This system should not be autonomous, but built into an echeloned air defense.
  16. ficus2003
    ficus2003 23 October 2020 15: 42 New
    0
    According to the director of the Turkish office of the analytical center of the German Marshall Fund of the USA Ozgur Unluhisarjikli

    Translation: a mongrel from Germany sucked by the United States through the "Marshal Fund" which develops training manuals for Turkey.
  17. Xenofont
    Xenofont 23 October 2020 15: 50 New
    +2
    Oh, how, heap "partners" put! All are not "thank God" for the Turkish acquisitions. There were revelations about the incapacity of Russian equipment, tomatoes are pouring out of a sack of holes. Until we fill up some "bird", apparently, they will not calm down with revelations.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 October 2020 17: 11 New
    +2
    According to Ozgur Unluhisarjikli, director of the Turkish office of the analytical center of the German Marshall Fund of the United States, Turkey's argument that the S-400 will be an autonomous system not connected to the NATO radar network did not reassure the Americans. In addition, the expert believes that the effectiveness of the S-400 as an autonomous air defense system is highly questionable. According to the director of the Turkish office of the Marshall Foundation, the S-400 was not initially created as a separate complex.



    They will finish badly and Turkey will begin to build a soybean surveillance radar and air defense system ... ... There are manufacturers of surveillance systems in Ukraine, China and the Russian Federation ...
  19. Oleg Kievlyanin
    Oleg Kievlyanin 23 October 2020 19: 31 New
    +3
    When our sworn friends praise us, it's scary; it means we are doing something wrong, if they scold us normally, I’m not an air defense officer, we’ll see
  20. Gunther
    Gunther 23 October 2020 19: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: PPSh
    Quote: Gunter
    Ozgur Unluhisardzhikli is a war name, he is a great specialist in everything, an analyst ...

    Gunther (Heinrich) and OgnennyiKotik. Tamara and I are a couple drinks good

    PPSh, happy for you and Tamara, happiness in your personal life ... laughing
  21. Spkrdctr
    Spkrdctr 26 October 2020 17: 29 New
    0
    The US Air Force has a great respect for the S-400 system. It denies space to any American jet. They have to either spend a lot of time and resources to destroy it or go around it. They know that it is very lethal when operated by trained crew and when using the correct missile for the target distance. The smart people (The US Air Force) take the S-400 VERY seriously!