The new power unit of the Leningrad NPP-2 delivered the first energy to the country's electrical system

Launched at the end of August this year, the nuclear reactor of the new power unit No. 2 (according to another classification - unit No. 6 of the Leningrad NPP) of the Leningrad NPP-2 began operation and delivered the first kilowatt-hours to the Russian power system. This was reported by the communications department of the Rosenergoatom concern.

The first power-up of the new power unit took place today, Friday, October 23, 2020. After synchronization with the grid, the power unit produced a capacity of 240 MW.

The first power-up of a power unit with a VVER-1200 reactor took place. The new power unit was synchronized with the grid and reached a capacity of 240 MW

- said in a statement.

On August 31 of this year, the new reactor facility was for the first time brought to the minimum-controlled power level, after which a number of experiments were carried out, which showed the reliable operation of the reactor.

The new power unit will go through the stage of experimental-industrial operation, after which it will be shut down to carry out an audit of the equipment and put it into commercial operation after being checked by the state commission. Commissioning of power unit No. 6 of VVER-1200 into commercial operation is scheduled for 2021.

The Leningrad NPP is the largest in Russia in terms of the total installed electrical power (4200 MW) and the only one with two types of reactors (4 power units): RBMK-1000 power units, developed in the Soviet Union and a modern generation VVER-1200 power unit. LNPP generates 30% of all electricity in the North-West of Russia.

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[Cowbra]

Gretatumberg, go, hanged herself out of grief

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Cowbra

Gretatumberg, go, hanged herself out of grief

I never understood the attacks of the "green" at the nuclear power plant. There are no emissions of any rubbish such as smoke from them, radiation has not been radiated for a long time, our spent nuclear fuel is now actively converting into MOX fuel on breeders, but even if the nuclear power plant explodes, then as Chernobyl showed ecology in the understanding of characters like Greta, there is only one benefit - fewer people, more wildlife. For nature, the radiation as a whole sideways, 50 bunnies will die, the remaining 250 will rivet, but the absence of an anthropogenic factor in the zones of infection gives a powerful stimulus to the growth and development of populations. Mutations are again an evolutionary plus. Some kind of inconsistent "green". They seem to be in favor of us giving up all fossils, meat, hydrocarbon fuels, normal medicines and other things and peacefully die of hunger, but here they are against for some reason ... Well, why should we be surprised when an organ intended for sitting on the toilet is used for writing soulful speeches, the result is predictable.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: oleg123219307

I never understood the attacks of the "green" at the nuclear power plant ...

I don't care about Greta, I don't care about the greens, that's when

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

"the country's electrical system".

will provide electricity at affordable prices for the bulk of the population, then it will be possible to rejoice. If there is no gas, then the horse's electricity price tag comes out.

[air defense]

And that our price is not affordable or what? One of the reasons why "green" (in the context of total generation) energy is practically not developing in Russia, solar and wind power is precisely in a cheap price for "traditional" electricity.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Airdefense

And that our price is not affordable or what?

Do you think that 4-5 thousand for a village where there is no gas and the boiler is powered by electricity, and you have to heat it up with electricity, although it is normal to be heated with wood? Despite the fact that the bulk of the village work is seasonal, for a ridiculous salary.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do you think that 4-5 thousand for a village where there is no gas and the boiler is powered by electricity, and you have to heat it up with electricity, although it is normal to be heated with wood?

In the village to be heated with electricity? It's colossal !!! Have you personally installed an electric boiler in the village? Single phase? Three-phase? And how is the network? "Sat down"? There is no need to tell fairy tales. In the village, you can and should be heated with wood, coal, sometimes pellets. If there is no mains, but they can give a lift, gas from the gas tank. Electric heating, I'm afraid the village network will not withstand. Trans oil input ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the village to be heated with electricity? It's colossal !!! Have you personally installed an electric boiler in the village? Single phase? Three-phase? And how is the network? "Sat down"? There is no need to tell fairy tales. In the village, you can and should be heated with wood, coal, sometimes pellets. If there is no mains, but they can give a lift, gas from the gas tank. Electric heating, I'm afraid the village network will not withstand. Trans oil input ...

For the alternatively gifted Chubais, I will explain. In my region, a car of chopped firewood (lawn) costs about 15 thousand. If the boiler is heated, 3 cars come out, if the stove is good, then 2 cars. So that the temperature during the night (while you are not drowning) does not fall below a comfortable temperature, you have to heat up with electric heating devices. This is called electric heating, since it is a "city peasant".

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

For the alternatively gifted Chubais, I will explain. In my region, a car of chopped firewood (lawn) costs about 15 thousand. If you heat a boiler, 3 cars come out, if a good stove, then 2 cars

I live at home. How much and what should be spent on heating, I know firsthand. So that during the night the house "chills out" completely - well, a good house, what can I say. Overboard minus 40?
How does the village network withstand such loads? How many rooms are there in your house?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So that during the night the house "chills out" completely

The comfortable temperature was also "chilled out". slightly different things. I have young children.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How many rooms are there in your house?

Four, plus a makeshift.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How does the village network withstand such loads?

Previously, it could not stand it, but a couple of times they collectively wrote a complaint to the prosecutor's office and the network began to withstand. We changed the street wires. And the transformer was designed for a village in the USSR, then there were 8 times more people living here.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Four, plus a temporary house

Since it was heated with electricity, it means there is something to pay. Is the vremyanka also heated? When I had nothing to heat the house with (the network did not hold the load), I would get up at night and throw some firewood. And by the way, he sawed and chopped the wood himself. And I still do it. Cheaper comes out.
And good for health!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And by the way, he sawed and chopped the wood himself. And I still do it. Cheaper comes out.

25-30 thousand for a cut tree, they will hand over immediately. I heat with wood, electricity, only heat.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

25-30 thousand for a cut tree, they will hand over immediately. I heat with wood, electricity, only heat.

Are there sawmills nearby? Buy a pellet pressing machine. Agree to bring five or six sawdust machines. They still give it free ... pressed in spring, dried up under a canopy in summer, provided for the winter. IM done. Main gas.
But the neighbor built one for himself. Provides for himself, mother and mother-in-law. And he also sells a bag to another neighbor.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Are there sawmills nearby?

Krasnodar Territory, not very much with our forest.

[Sergej1972]

Is coal sold? As far as I know, for example, in the Oryol Region, those villagers who do not have gas heating use coal to heat their stoves, and firewood only for kindling. This was the case 30 and 40 years ago. Gas stoves are also available for those who do not have gas for heating. In this case, bottled gas is used.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sergej1972

Is coal sold?

No, we have expensive coal. Under the USSR, they did not have time to supply gas to the village, and now they are not going to bring it to us in the foreseeable future, although the nearest pipe is about 3 km away. We are not in the plans for gasification.

[Sergej1972]

In the village of my mother, on the contrary, gas was supplied already in the post-Soviet period, in the late 90s and early XNUMXs. During this period, quite a few settlements in the Oryol region were supplied with gas.

[Sergej1972]

My mother has gas heating in a private country house for twenty years. Before that there was stove heating. She and many have a gas boiler, some villagers have a nozzle in an ordinary stove. Not all of them installed gas, so some of the residents in her village still have stove heating. But in our region, firewood was usually used only for kindling, and was heated with coal.

[air defense]

I'll tell you that here in the Czech Republic, heating with electricity is generally an “unattainable luxury”. Not to mention that it is generally inhumane to use electricity for this.
The fact that people are heated with wood in the village is bad, and you need to get gas as much as possible. But this does not negate the fact that electricity in Russia, fortunately, is still very cheap.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Airdefense

But this does not negate the fact that electricity in Russia, fortunately, is still very cheap.

Cheap and expensive, these are relative concepts. If you compare it with real wages, not the average wages they talk about on TV, then electricity is not cheap at all.

[air defense]

And then I did not live in Russia, and specifically in the village, I repeat, compared to Europe, electricity is simply free, even in absolute comparison, even to the average income.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Airdefense

And then I did not live in Russia, and specifically in the village, I repeat, compared to Europe, electricity is simply free, even in absolute comparison, even to the average income.

Well, yes, well, yes, I have repeatedly heard that once you get 17 thousand, it means the middle class. In Europe, the same $ 220 is the middle class?

[air defense]

No, of course, in the Czech Republic the average pay before taxes is 34 thousand crowns or in dollars about 1400, taxes are somewhere around 30% as a result of about a thousand dollars will be plus / minus. But I will say that life on an average salary in the Czech Republic (and in neighboring countries as well) will not be much better (financially, naturally) than in Russia if we take the whole set of spending on housing, com. expenses, groceries, insurance, etc.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Airdefense

But I will say that life on an average salary in the Czech Republic (and in neighboring countries as well) will not be much better (financially, naturally) than in Russia if we take the whole set of spending on housing, com. expenses, groceries, insurance, etc.

According to Marxist terminology, this is called "peripheral capitalism", it is everywhere like this and will not get better.

[_Sergei_]

I pay for electricity 2000r. This is a lot. But I have 4 computers working from morning until evening, two electrotitans, two stoves (we live in two families with a son). In short, everything is 2. We are building a little more, so we also have a circular and other power tools.

[alekseykabanets]

[quote = _Sergey_] I pay for electricity 2000r [... / quote]
I pay more, I have a large family. By the way, computers are approximately 350 W, laptops are smaller. The main consumers are electric heating devices.

[_Sergei_]

My family is not small either. And because of the quarantine, the daughter and children come, they stay for two weeks. We gather together with small 10 people.

[ancient]

Quote: Airdefense

And that our price is not affordable or what?

Well, this is just for you ... for "urya-patriots" .. it is sufficient ... but how it is illuminated .. "zamkadye" ... Dubki microdistrict ...... the distance from the Volgodonsk NPP is exactly 250 km
"Live" ... people ... enjoy ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ancient

and here is how it is illuminated .. "zamkadye" ... Dubki microdistrict

I am afraid that for the majority of noteworthy putriots, Zamkadye is another planet, like Mars or Venus.

[Cowbra]

Here's the whole Greenpeace to plant from morning to night to twist the dynamo, and if they do not give out more nuclear power plants - kick with their feet. If Greenpeace copes, I myself will be the first for such energy supply! They will also pile up the rest of the Yeltsin Center, and they are busy with business and the country is good

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: oleg123219307

I never understood the attacks of the "green" at the nuclear power plant ...

I don't care about Greta, I don't care about the greens, that's when

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

"the country's electrical system".

will provide electricity at affordable prices for the bulk of the population, then it will be possible to rejoice. If there is no gas, then the horse's electricity price tag comes out.

The population does not consume so much energy, we actually have a large surplus, because the energy system is designed for the Soviet level and production technologies, but now the level is not the same, and the technologies are better. So the cost is now determined more by transportation and network maintenance than by generation. And in general, what is wrong with the cost? From 2 to 5 r / kW, it is not very expensive.

[Svarog]

And in general, what is wrong with the cost? From 2 to 5 r / kW, it is not very expensive.

You also add to the rating by the cost of electricity, add a column with the income of citizens per capita, and then, probably, it will become clear to you .. and even more, of course, depends on the heated area.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Svarog

You also add to the rating by the cost of electricity, add a column with the income of citizens per capita, and then, probably, it will become clear to you .. and even more, of course, depends on the heated area.

It is necessary to supply free of charge. So that it was not offensive. And electricians, installers, specialists in the repair and maintenance of trunk networks and everyone else do not have to pay. And you don't need to buy transformers, and you don't need to service the networks. I wrote below - 80% of the population's expenses for light - the cost of maintaining networks. And then either subsidies or such a price. Subsidies - well, so massively they will go from the same taxes, then that will work. No, the price for light is quite reasonable. We have salaries - G, from this and the problem. Although your example is not very correct, it is easier to install a system with a solid fuel boiler or imported gas. A little more complicated, but at times cheaper.

[Svarog]

80% of the population's expenditures for electricity are the costs of maintaining networks

For a long time, the population itself pays for all expenses. Have you tried connecting to electricity? Try it and everything will become clear to you .. You buy everything yourself, install it yourself, they just come and connect, for money.

solid fuel boiler or imported gas. A little more complicated, but at times cheaper

A gas tank costs from 200 thousand, installation, etc. will turn out from 350 tr .. I would not say that it is cheap .. do you think many people in villages can afford it? And electricity, the simplest and most affordable, is in every village, so why not free the villagers from payment at all, or make 20 kopecks.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Svarog

For a long time, the population itself pays for all expenses. Have you tried connecting to electricity? Try it and everything will become clear to you .. You buy everything yourself, install it yourself, they just come and connect, for money.

One-sided look. I connected the electricity 3 phases a year ago. I bought a counter and a 20 meter torsade. All. I didn’t buy 2 kilometers of cable to the substation, I didn’t buy a transformer, I didn’t buy a main transmission line, I’ll tell you a secret, I didn’t even buy a power plant, I don’t pay directly to the emergency team that fixes the light. All this is included in the cost of energy. At my dacha, about 5 years ago, a transformer on which all SNT was sitting burned down. I had to fold and take a new one for 300 thousand. And at the same time, they paid 6 rubles for electricity for years to compensate for losses due to thieves. And that year we handed over the networks to NESK, the result is light at 4.40, thieves are no longer our problem, and a transformer twice as powerful was simply brought to us and supplied for free ...

Quote: Svarog

A gas tank costs from 200 thousand, installation, etc. will turn out from 350 tr .. I would not say that it is cheap .. do you think many people in villages can afford it? And electricity, the simplest and most affordable, is in every village, so why not free the villagers from payment at all, or make 20 kopecks.

A solid fuel boiler costs 5-10 thousand. This is if everything is sad with money, but you need warmth. As for your proposal - and at whose expense? For my? Living in the city means I will have to pay, but Vasya is not in the village. Is he better than me because he lives there? Does he help me somehow, that I should help him? And what will prevent him from being heated for free by mining farms, essentially just stealing the money allocated for him? And so the city pays 5,50, and the village 2.10. And you earn more, so you have to support others. This is the age-old argument of the proponents of the progressive rate, to which I, fortunately, do not belong, although I am not a very rich person. And there is no need for oligarchs and big business, I thought - to make electricity for the population free, you need 35-40 billion dollars a year. So much not to dispossess of anyone other than their own population. What budget expenses do you propose to cut THAT?

[KVIRTU]

Please note that there are no states in that list, and there are 6,9 cents for industry, which is cheaper.

[Runoway]

will provide electricity at prices affordable for the bulk of the population

The answer is NEVER !!!! In our country, the atom splits more expensively every year and the water in the hydroelectric power station comes from that, and the numbers are growing every January. We will live to see the electric cars will introduce an excise tax of 70 percent (as with gasoline, the price is 15r / l at the exit from the refinery)
And the gas will not become cheaper at least 500 flows to Europe, and the connection will cost from 160tr even if you are a meter away from the main.
Here I came across a new Putin protection of equity holders "escrow account":
- money to the bank, percent 0 as long as the bank will use your money over the years of construction
-the developer builds at the expense of credit money from the bank (therefore the price of 1m2 has skyrocketed by 33%)
-until the house is put into operation, you cannot return the income 13%
- only SBERA has a monopoly on escrow accounts
BRAVO Gref

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Runoway

will provide electricity at prices affordable for the bulk of the population

The answer is NEVER !!!! In our country, the atom splits more expensively every year and the water in the hydroelectric power station comes from that, and the numbers are growing every January. We will live to see the electric cars will introduce an excise tax of 70 percent (as with gasoline, the price is 15r / l at the exit from the refinery)
And the gas will not become cheaper at least 500 flows to Europe, and the connection will cost from 160tr even if you are a meter away from the main.
Here I came across a new Putin protection of equity holders "escrow account":
- money to the bank, percent 0 as long as the bank will use your money over the years of construction
-the developer builds at the expense of credit money from the bank (therefore the price of 1m2 has skyrocketed by 33%)
-until the house is put into operation, you cannot return the income 13%
- only SBERA has a monopoly on escrow accounts
BRAVO Gref

I have 3 questions. Of course, I understand that they are throwing minuses for them now, it is unpopular with us now to think and count, it is easier to say "country D, the tomatoes beat the hail, it's Putin's fault" but still. 1) What does all this discussion have to do with the topic of the article? We breed a flood here, in fact, then we ourselves complain. 2) Well, take some kind of pen and paper and calculate the income and expenses of the budget. At least roughly. And tell me, where are they stealing 90% of the people's money, as we often think? Of course they steal. But according to my estimates, 4-6%. It's also a lot, but still, even if you put them in all the chairs of the saints, no global problems can be solved for these 6%. A systematic development of the economy is needed here. And the obstacle to it is not the power, neither Putin, nor the Martians, but the post-industrial society and divided markets. We lost the USSR, lost 20 years, now we are loosening it. And even then not all of us are so sad. Look at the picture with the price of electricity that I posted above in this discussion. I was reprimanded there for not taking into account the salary, apparently they just can't read and look at the last column. Something like this, if you look at it, even in terms of the average salary, our electricity is cheaper than in Germany. 3) Escrow account is nasty. Complete. Unprofitable. We will cancel and ban, and we will hand over Gref to the meat processing plant for sausages. Only then let us hand over all the "defrauded equity holders" to whom the state compensated for the losses at our expense? At least some benefit will be from them. They themselves are to blame - they wanted to get a bummer cheaper. However, for some reason they are helped. I still don't understand why. Nobody gave me a couple of Lyams for an apartment, but Vasya Pupkin, who decided to buy an apartment for 15 thousand square meters at 215 FZ, was allocated in the end ... Terrible, crumbling Russia, how to live, how to live ...

[Runoway]

1) What does all this discussion have to do with the topic of the article? We breed a flood here, in fact, then we ourselves complain

In fact, all Russian news is flooded, because people absolutely do not care
- streams
-nuclear plant

They do not in any way affect our prices on the domestic market and a piece of paper

2) Well, take a pen and paper and calculate the income and expenses of the budget

Derive the formula according to which the price for Abkhazia is 1.5r / kW, and for which Ukrainians until 2014 paid less for gas than you and I

3) Escrow account is nasty
We will hand over Gref to the meat processing plant for sausages. Only then let's turn over all the "defrauded real estate investors there.

Why the legislative "aid" to equity holders cost buyers + 33% to the cost ???????
And now we summarize the flood:
Whatever the government does, all actions are aimed at additional education and enrichment
Let's go back to the nuclear power plant, at least 5 pieces are next to sim-salabim, by January expect an increase in housing and communal services and you can take a pen in your hands and count as much as you like

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Runoway

In fact, all Russian news is flooded, because people absolutely do not care
- streams
-nuclear plant

They do not in any way affect our prices on the domestic market and a piece of paper

Of course they have no effect. While they are. This is how they will disappear, then they will immediately begin to influence. Now everyone is complaining about how bad we live, what small salaries and pensions, how bad everything is with the infrastructure, how nothing is done, and officials are getting richer. They quickly forgot everything in 91 and 98 ...

Quote: Runoway

Derive the formula according to which the price for Abkhazia is 1.5r / kW, and for which Ukrainians until 2014 paid less for gas than you and I

For Abkhazia, do they spend money on networks? Do they have a couple of thousand kilometers from the power plant to the consumer? Are they purchasing new equipment? Developing infrastructure? Or just hammered in a bolt, get 80 kopecks this kilowatt at the border at a wholesale price and live on old luggage and our subsidies? About Ukraine is a good example. Compare their 2014 slogans with their own, and see where it ended up leading them.

Quote: Runoway

Why the legislative "aid" to equity holders cost buyers + 33% to the cost ???????

Because the state is tired of paying, in fact, insurance for equity holders, from the funds of other citizens. And living without a freebie is not sweet.

Quote: Runoway

And now we summarize the flood:
Whatever the government does, all actions are aimed at additional education and enrichment

Uh-huh. Navalny for the presidency !!!

Quote: Runoway

Let's go back to the nuclear power plant, at least 5 pieces are next to sim-salabim, by January expect an increase in housing and communal services and you can take a pen in your hands and count as much as you like

Yes, you can not build or develop anything. We all know perfectly well what will come of it ...

[Runoway]

The main thing is to write about the 90s and Navalny in time , forgot to write about the liberal, everything is according to the manual

Because the state is tired of paying, in fact, insurance for equity holders, from the funds of other citizens.

Why does the Bank not pay interest for the escrow account deposit? If you do not give the interest to the depositor, then give the developer a loan without%
Why is Sberbank monopoly?

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Runoway

The main thing is to write about the 90s and Navalny in time, they forgot to write about the liberal, everything is according to the manual

Believe me, I am not a supporter of the current authorities. As for me, they are half-measures who, out of fear for their ass, do not take the steps that the country needs. It's just that most likely on this basis our views will not agree, for I'm for a dictatorship, moreover, the official one, the revival of the Empire and expansive development.

Quote: Runoway

Why does the Bank not pay interest for the escrow account deposit? If you do not give the interest to the depositor, then give the developer a loan without%

Maybe because for some period of time it is compensation to the bank for those grandmothers that were withdrawn from there without any interest for "support of equity holders"? But honestly, I don’t know. It is necessary to delve into the topic to answer reasonably.

Quote: Runoway

Why is Sberbank monopoly?

Well, that's just understandable. They are very big money, which means there is a great temptation to rake them up and disappear, even leaving a commercial bank. In the past, there were many such examples.

[Kart]

Quote: oleg123219307

Now everyone complains about how bad we live, what small salaries and pensions, how bad everything is with the infrastructure, how nothing is done, and officials are getting richer. They quickly forgot everything in 91 and 98 ...

Most of them did not know. There are already those who have not seen the beginning of 2000.
It is very convenient for such people to foul brains.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Carte

It is very convenient for such people to foul brains.

Here's another point: many do not even need to foul, because the way of thinking was formed and settled not yesterday. This is the so-called category of infantile philistines who project any of their troubles onto a part of the surrounding world, creating an "eternal bogey" in the person of abstract power - a kind of fragmentary sociopathy. Moreover, they often do not specify or argue, but only set the vector of rejection and denial. This is quite understandable, because most people do have clip thinking, and analysis of facts for them is akin to solving the biquadratic equation with a second grader.
Such comrades are snapped out "at once" due to fixation on several basic postulates (their own or borrowed ones), which they tirelessly chase away to others over and over again, repeating even in small details - a classic auto-copy.
For such organisms, there is a corresponding definition - cycloids, because there is a mental running in a circle, without any hint of development. At times it amuses, but quickly annoys, because even pinching them is boring and dumb because of the risk of getting stuck in this "round dance with the people".

[Sergej1972]

And why should the state and taxpayers provide assistance to these equity holders?

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

And your opponent, at least shikai by eye - god's dew on the eyelashes (c) Japanese)))

[seti]

Quote: oleg123219307

Quote: Cowbra

Gretatumberg, go, hanged herself out of grief

I never understood the attacks of the "green" at the nuclear power plant. ...

Everything is just like a policeman's club ... Someone does not just have this technology, but a very high level. I'm talking about the RF. Unattainable level and they continue to improve and develop. And those passive "partners" who do not possess them but understand their capabilities and all their potential are trying to crush them by all means.
Windmills, tides, currents are all good, but these are not the same power. How many do not put them. It's one thing a small town or village, and another thing is a huge energy-intensive enterprise or a metropolis. For serious industry and serious growth, green technologies, in any case, are not yet suitable.

[apro]

Quote: seti

Windmills, tides, currents are all good, but these are not the same power.

In addition, seasonal dependence on natural conditions and the high cost of the final product.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: seti

Quote: oleg123219307

Quote: Cowbra

Gretatumberg, go, hanged herself out of grief

I never understood the attacks of the "green" at the nuclear power plant. ...

Everything is just like a policeman's club ... Someone does not just have this technology, but a very high level. I'm talking about the RF. Unattainable level and they continue to improve and develop. And those passive "partners" who do not possess them but understand their capabilities and all their potential are trying to crush them by all means.
Windmills, tides, currents are all good, but these are not the same power. How many do not put them. It's one thing a small town or village, and another thing is a huge energy-intensive enterprise or a metropolis. For serious industry and serious growth, green technologies, in any case, are not yet suitable.

The most amazing thing is that they have technology. But they voluntarily closed everything. Germany has mothballed all the stations. Economists grab their heads and cover these greens with all swear words, and so at least henna. Lubno we would be shitting, I would understand, so-so they shit.

[seti]

Quote: oleg123219307

The most amazing thing is that they have technology. But they voluntarily closed everything.

They just have all these technologies do not exist. Nuclear power and related technologies, the ability to produce and maintain reactors, including fast neutron reactors, have a well-developed scientific base, has a very narrow circle of countries. One thing to exploit and it is quite another to have the whole cycle. Answering today and tomorrow .. This is possessed only by the Russian Federation. Even the United States and France are now completely unable to do it all alone in real conditions. They lagged behind us in the nuclear power industry, this is a fact. The future belongs to nuclear energy in many areas.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: seti

Quote: oleg123219307

The most amazing thing is that they have technology. But they voluntarily closed everything.

They just have all these technologies do not exist. Nuclear power and related technologies, the ability to produce and maintain reactors, including fast neutron reactors, have a well-developed scientific base, has a very narrow circle of countries. One thing to exploit and it is quite another to have the whole cycle. Answering today and tomorrow .. This is possessed only by the Russian Federation. Even the United States and France are now completely unable to do it all alone in real conditions. They lagged behind us in the nuclear power industry, this is a fact. The future belongs to nuclear energy in many areas.

Well, if you close half of the nuclear power plant, prohibit further research under pressure from the greens, and make the word "nuclear power" a curse, then perhaps you will not catch up. So I am surprised at such a shot in my foot. Usually the guys there are very pragmatic.

[Sergej1972]

But the French are not going to close the nuclear power plant, on the contrary, they are developing nuclear power in every possible way. Stable 80% of their electricity is produced by nuclear power plants.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Everything is just like a policeman's club

It's even easier. Currently, on the green agenda, you can put together both political capital and quite a banking one.
And they wanted to spit on all sorts of windmills and so on. The main thing for them is to get elected somewhere, and register their own trademark.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Cowbra

Gretatumberg, go, hanged herself out of grief

rather, from the phrase "the country's electrical system".

[tralflot1832]

Roseenergoatom sold out in a good sense of the word. Not only does the country's energy security provide. Its logistics subsidiary orders container ships of ARC 7 class for operation on the NSR. So we will show an example of capitalism how to operate the NSR. The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury.

[ancient]

Quote: tralflot1832

Roseenergoatom sold out in a good sense of the word.

That's when the electricity prices for the population will be at least the same, for which we "give" to China ... then yes ... maybe -cool ".

Quote: tralflot1832

So let's set an example for capitalism

- that's exactly WHAT? .... How, having 40% of the world's reserves of all resources and wealth of the "national state" (for a handful of .. "confidants") are we in ... well, you know where ... in almost all industries?

[Kart]

Well, it couldn't do without your moaning.

[ancient]

Quote: Carte

Well, it couldn't do without your moaning.

In fact, there is something to say ...... do you know the cost of generating "kilowatts" at a nuclear power plant? and the price for .. "people"?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Carte

Well, it couldn't do without your moaning.

And without your shrieks, however, is not complete.

[dragy52rus]

Quote: ancient

by what "we give" to China

and for what are we giving? Are you going to consume the same amount of power as China? Are you going to receive electricity from the same power plants as China?

[ancient]

Quote: dragy52rus

Are you going to consume the same amount of power as China?

Favorite method " "-kalok" ... "by carriages is cheaper than retail"

[dragy52rus]

there were a little more questions. essentially have something to say? or can you communicate only with slogans?

[ancient]

Quote: dragy52rus

or can you communicate only with slogans?

I can, but I don’t want to, because it will be another "srach" .. and I need it?
Are you satisfied with the amount of electricity bills ..... thank God .. "flag in your hands" and .... at the next congress of the "party" to listen to the report on " "

[dragy52rus]

how do we return to China? you have the exact figure from the contract. or you do not have it and therefore will be "srach" from your side?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: dragy52rus

and for what are we giving? Are you going to consume the same amount of power as China? Are you going to receive electricity from the same power plants as China?

Have you already got Chubais, do you like the prices for electricity for the population, do you like the tariffs for housing and communal services?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Have you already got Chubais, do you like the prices for electricity for the population, do you like the tariffs for housing and communal services?

Please tell us how you personally fight unfair tariffs for housing and communal services and electricity?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Please tell us how you personally fight unfair tariffs for housing and communal services and electricity?

I sharpen the pitchfork.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I sharpen the pitchfork.

That is, in no way.
Why, then, do you accuse others of inaction if you do nothing yourself?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

That is, in no way.

Not a smart conclusion, or should I talk about something specific here?

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why, then, do you accuse others of inaction if you do nothing yourself?

And where did I blame someone for inaction? I only accused a certain person of supporting the government's course leading to further degradation and defragmentation of the country.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I only accused a certain person of supporting the government's course leading to further degradation and defragmentation of the country.

So, if a person does not directly express disagreement with the actions of the authorities, then he supports them?
Reminds Tikhanovskaya with her: "If you do not openly support us, then you are against us and then they will ask you for it" (not literally).

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

read if a person is straight ...

Between "does not express disagreement" and supports, justifying extortionate electricity tariffs, there is probably a difference?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Between "does not express disagreement" and supports, justifying extortionate electricity tariffs, there is probably a difference?

And who justifies them here? Who wrote where here that he likes the rates?
It's just that people do not throw a tantrum, but try to reason in a balanced way, unlike.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And who justifies them here?

dragy52rus everything started with his comment.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Are we working on the manuals again?

Quote: ancient

As having 40% of the world's reserves of all resources and wealth

Can I link to this nonsense? The territory of Russia is 10% of the land on the planet. Moreover, half of this territory is located in permafrost and is unsuitable for effective settlement and use.

[Sergej1972]

More precisely, 12% of the land. The effective territory of the country is 5,5 million sq. km. of 17 million sq. km. the entire area. Our share of the world's resources exceeds our share of the total area. But, of course, the figure of 40% is clearly overstated.

[novel66]

the excuse about the nineties is no longer valid?

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: ancient

That's when the prices for electricity for the population will be at least the same, for which we "give" to China ... then yes ... you can and - to confuse. "

We love to compare the wholesale export price and the domestic retail price. But we don't like to think. How many kilometers of lines needing maintenance do you need to ship to China? How much is there in one medium-sized city per 100000 houses? And how many loving specialists also need to eat for this? What about transformers? And where is more loss, in 100KV main line, 10KV local or 220V last mile? The main part, up to 80% of the price of electricity, is precisely the cost of transportation and network maintenance. And then either subsidies from the budget, or the price. Somewhere they subsidize, like in Chechnya, but in fact that I myself will pay for the light, that the state will pay for it from my own taxes, this does not change the essence of the matter ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

That's when for the population there will be prices for electricity at least the same, for which we "give" to China ... then yes .. maybe fellow-to confuse. "

That is, you want to equalize prices for retail and wholesale consumers?
No problem - you can do this even now by organizing the supply of electricity to the population on the same terms as to China: here's a power line for you on the border of the region / city, and then do whatever you want with it. Substations and power networks from the output to the apartment / house - at the expense of the population and by the population. Service too.

[Trevis]

Nice event!

[Daniil Konovalenko]

After all the events indicated in the news, a purely household question, will the electricity bill become cheaper?

[dragy52rus]

from your post I got fat from the monitor flowed.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Buy a new monitor?

[dragy52rus]

better money

[Daniil Konovalenko]

"Nnnu I'm sorry .." (c)

[tralflot1832]

In Karelia and the Leningrad region it may be cheaper.

[dragy52rus]

it was launched to replace the RBMK-1000 reactor, which was shut down in 2018 after 45 years of operation.

[Eldorado]

Keep it up, comrades!

[Avior]

with two types of reactors (4 power units): RBMK-1000 power units

the one that exploded in Chernobyl. It is high time to withdraw it, to be honest, especially since it was at the Leningrad NPP that the very first RBMK-1973 was launched in 1000.

[novel66]

exploded at Chernobyl, not because it was bad, but because of the crooked handles

[Alexey RA]

Quote: novel xnumx

exploded at Chernobyl, not because it was bad, but because of the crooked handles

By the way, Chernobyl could have happened 11 years earlier. And they would call him Sosnovy Bor.
Brief background: due to an error of SIUT (senior turbine control engineer), the only working turbine generator of the 1st power unit of the Leningrad NPP was turned off, after which the reactor was shut down by AZ-5.

SIUR - senior reactor control engineer - was instructed to start up the reactor and to bring it to the minimum controlled power level, MCU. MCU is a level when an automatic regulator can maintain the reactor power.
In the manual control mode, the SIUR removes the rods, and as a result brings the reactor to the MCU, stands on the automatic regulator.
In the process of increasing the power, the emergency protection for the speed of power gain was triggered twice.
We begin to increase power by connecting the generator to the network.
The value of the power supplied by the generator is monitored by wattmeters.
With a reactor power of 800 MW (thermal), an inexplicable power surge occurs - within about 10 seconds, the reactor gains an additional 100 MW.
This inexplicable behavior of the reactor seemed dangerous, and the SIUR decides to reduce the power and shut down the reactor. Acting intuitively and using the skills of controlling industrial reactors, we remove the power control from the automatic machine and begin to manually lower the rods of the 3 automatic regulators. There are 12 rods for automatic power control in total, and in portions of 4 rods we lower them into the reactor at time intervals of 10-20 seconds, starting a decrease in power. As a result, from approx. 900 MW the thermal power of the reactor is reduced to 100 ÷ 150 MW. And only then we press the AZ-5 button, which completely drowns out the reactor.
Emergency protection rods went into the core.
On the mimic panel of the channels, the signal of the KTsTK system flashes - to control the integrity of the technological channels. This is a signal about the appearance of moisture in the graphite stack of the reactor, i.e. this is a signal about depressurization of the channel and about the exit of the coolant - steam-water mixture from it.
One of the canals was destroyed.
As a result of inspection in several channels that remained intact, it was found that due to a jump in power and temperature, the fuel assemblies were damaged, and the cladding of the fuel elements was depressurized.
It was an accident, a commission was created, there was a debriefing.
A similar surge in power was observed in our country before, but with grave consequences, with damage to channels and fuel - this happened for the first time.
If, before pressing the AZ-5 button, the rods of the automatic regulator were not lowered, and in turn, we would have had an accident like the Chernobyl accident already in 1975.

© Karrask M.P. From 1973 he worked at Leningrad NPP, a participant in the launch of the RBMK-1000 head power unit in 1973. On November 30, 1975, he operated the reactor. Participant in the liquidation of the consequences of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.

The radioactive trace from this accident stretches across the entire south of the Leningrad region.

[Avior]

The economy must be economical - a well-known Soviet slogan.
As a result, in reactors of this type, they saved money - in the start-up and shutdown modes, some of the control tasks were solved manually, it was believed that if the reactor operates very rarely in these modes, then automation is a luxury, not a necessity.
According to our official report to the IAEA, one of the reasons for the Chernobyl accident was that the automation of the regulator of thermal imbalances in start-up modes was not provided, as a result, the operator was distracted by leveling the thermal imbalances manually, and slipped the power with which it was necessary to start the experiment on transferring the generator to your own needs.
In the description you have given, we see just this problem - manual control of the rods of the regulator of thermal imbalances in terms of heat release over the volume of the reactor.
But no one took action then, and everything remained as it is.
And only now, as you can see, the construction of much safer VVER reactors has begun at LNPP.

[Alexey RA]

quote = Avior] The economy must be economical - a well-known Soviet slogan.
As a result, they saved money on reactors of this type - in the start-up and shutdown modes, some of the control tasks were solved manually, it was believed that if the reactor works very rarely in these modes, then automation is a luxury, not a necessity. [/ Quote]
[quote = Avior] In the description you gave, we see just this problem - manual control of the rods of the thermal imbalance regulator in terms of heat release over the reactor volume. [/ quote]
It is a little different: at the LNPP, when the reactor was started up, it was taken out manually only to the ISU. Then an automatic regulator entered the business, which led it further. And on 30.11.1975/XNUMX/XNUMX, the failure occurred precisely during the automatic control of the launch of the reactor, as a result of which the SIUR had to work instead of automation.
That is, the regulation should have been carried out automatically. But in this case, the automation worked incorrectly.

[Avior]

There was uncontrolled growth in Chernobyl too, which led to the explosion of the reactor. The case was very similar to the one described by you, but an accident saved the situation - a different degree of fuel burnout in the reactor.
Operators get overloaded with nonessential operations and make mistakes.
In the case you described, the original was also an operator error

... On the night of November 30, one of the two operating turbine generators (TG) was to be unloaded and taken out for repair. The operators unloaded the required generator. But by mistake, instead of the unloaded, the operating TG was disconnected from the network. Which led to the activation of the emergency protection and the shutdown of the reactor. “Realizing that the personnel had made a mistake, the station shift supervisor gave the command to start the mistakenly disconnected TG as soon as possible,” recalls Abakumov. - All preparation for switching on and accepting the load on the TG took place in a nervous atmosphere, against the background of a real threat of unacceptable poisoning of the reactor, falling into the iodine pit and subsequent long downtime of the unit.

And then there was a whole chain of violations and personnel errors
https://bellona.ru/2016/04/04/laes75/

[Seba]

To be objective, the RBMK is now completely different in terms of control and security. A huge amount of work has been done.

[Alexander X]

Good news in the morning is always good.

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

How many do not say: Halva! In the mouth it is not sweeter! (C) Eastern wisdom
Our grandfathers built, in the 90s we were robbed by the rogues having appropriated the nationwide fooling millions and letting in the same millions. Now the people survive when a bunch of scum spends crazy money in Courchevel on whores and booze .. What's so nice ?!
Be proud! During the coronavirus crisis, Russian oligarchs became richer by $ 20!)))

[A009]

That is, building reactors is bad? did I understand you correctly? Didn't need to build? or what?

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

I built it myself)))) Count it up))) We went there through Titan2 ...
It's bad when you bake a cake, but they give you ... just a smell .. aroma. So clear to you.
The people in the role of a slave ...

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

Let's be glad for the Chubaisyats and other Oligarchs involved in the Energy System and having the assets of these enterprises!
Teperich can sell surplus to .. Europe and tighter to fill your pocket with currency.
Well, you health, good mood ... just ... no money! (C)

[tralflot1832]

Rejoice for me, the salary has become 6 digits, not a manager. All with pens and a little head.

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

This is a bitter irony ... 140 million paws (like a bear) and a bunch of critters are fattening = (
And you see an exception, such times, two and obchelsi))

[dragy52rus]

how much envy and stupidity you have.
it was launched to replace the RBMK-1000 reactor, which was shut down in 2018 after 45 years of operation.

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

I would like it to serve for the good of all the people of the country, and not for a bunch of fatty and well-fed garbage who built on budget money and make their own capital at the national expense!
Of course this is wild for you stupefied patriots)))

[dragy52rus]

eh ... how everything started.
I now want peace in the world. and what to do now?
Tell us, how do you imagine the implementation of your wishes? to select and divide?

[Alexander Suvorov_2]

100 years ago, our grandfathers knew what to do. As the plumber says, the system needs to be changed.
And to be glad that Sechin is shitting with undigested black caviar, is it not started ?!)))) The block was launched !!! And what about the tariffs?! A?!)))) It has become cheaper?!) ... Then something)))

[Kot_Kuzya]

Liberals and pans are notably burned by this news ... Some have already signed up, unsubscribed according to the manuals.

[Ka-52]

Liberals and pans are notably burnt at this news laughing. Some have already signed up, unsubscribed according to the manuals.

they will certainly ripen with their spoon of gomna. When Khodor becomes the President of the Russian Federation and we buy TVELs from Westinghausen like skakuas, then such news will start to please them

[Angelo Provolone]

Leningrad NPP-2 began operation and delivered the first kilowatt-hours to the Russian power system

Let's call things by their proper names: in the pocket of the Chubais

[Sergej1972]

Nuclear energy has never been part of the former RAO UES of Russia, headed by Chubais.

[Proton]

The news is very good.
Nuclear energy is very promising in terms of meeting the needs for electricity, in contrast to "green" energy. Windmills, solar and tidal power plants will not be able to meet the growing consumption.
The only requirement is to ensure reliability, and this is where the great experience of our country in the peaceful atom comes to the fore. And even from all the accidents and incidents that have occurred, real conclusions can be drawn and safety improved.
The creation of remote clusters of 2-3 nuclear power plants located at a distance of 50-100 km could be promising. from cities and towns. High-voltage transmission lines (750-1150 kV) will connect these clusters with consumption centers. Working camps for operational and maintenance personnel, a route connecting the cluster with the nearest cities.
In the long term, the taming of thermonuclear fusion. But this requires the development of fundamental science.

[Alien From]

Great news! Greta and others like that!

[akinak-f]

I sincerely congratulate my colleagues on the Leningrad NPP-2 !!! Well done !!!

[NF68]

This is much more interesting news than the endless screams about the terrible coronavirus.

[1536]

It is a good tradition to respond to the sanctions of "partners" by launching nuclear-powered ships, building bridges, putting new nuclear power plants into operation, launching spacecraft, etc. activities. More often, but more, more technologically advanced, but newer. Such is "our response to Chamberlain" in the first quarter of the XNUMXst century, which also traditionally turns out.

[Vladimir Smirnov_3]

The news is great. At least from the point of view that the talk is not going on about the fact that Russia can only sell hydrocarbons over the hill. And what is this then ?! All over the world, Rosatom units are considered the best, is this not an achievement? Well, we are building ourselves, of course, of course. RBMK must be withdrawn.

[Grigory_78]

Quote: Alexey RA

That is, you want to equalize prices for retail and wholesale consumers?
No problem - you can do this even now by organizing the supply of electricity to the population on the same terms as to China: here's a power line for you on the border of the region / city, and then do whatever you want with it. Substations and power networks from the output to the apartment / house - at the expense of the population and by the population. Service too.

Bravo! It would be difficult for me to articulate so clearly and clearly.