Azerbaijan's Defense Ministry: Servicemen Brought to Karabakh from Armenia Refuse to Fight

The Azerbaijani military department publishes a summary of the battles that took place on the night of October 22-23. The summary says that hostilities with varying degrees of intensity continued in a number of areas, including Gubadli, Jabrayil and Agderin.

From the report:

The enemy fired on the defensive positions of the Azerbaijani army from a rifle weapons, mortars and guns.

At the same time, it was stated that Azerbaijani troops took control of "important territories and heights, destroying several enemy strongholds." Added that the Armenian troops are experiencing a shortage of military equipment, ammunition, and allegedly even food. It is also argued that "the Armenian command has lost control over the troops."

From the material:

It became known that the servicemen brought to Nagorno-Karabakh from the Tavush and Sisian regions of Armenia refused to fight and left their positions.

Yerevan has not yet commented on this statement.

The Ministry of Defense of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in its statement reports that battles of local importance are going on along the entire front line. In opposition to the Azerbaijani side, a statement was submitted that the troops of Artsakh "continue to identify and destroy enemy groups."

Let us remind that the day before, Baku announced the full restoration of control over the border with Iran, and Yerevan and Stepanakert noted that these statements of the Azerbaijani side do not correspond to reality. As you can see, battles are taking place not only on the real front, but also on the information front.

Comments

[Livonetc]

"It became known that the servicemen brought to Nagorno-Karabakh from the Tavush and Sisian regions of Armenia refused to engage in battle and left their positions."
And there is no doubt about it.

[nnm]

It is clear that the statement of the opposing side should not be particularly trusted, but against such a background appeals to Russia for help are especially interesting. As they both sat in our markets, they are sitting. And there is no particular desire to go to protect places so valuable to the heart.

[Livonetc]

Some are going.
And not only from Russia.
However, the problems of the Armenian army are not so much in the lack of fighters, but in the outdated tactics of warfare and the lack of modern weapons and other means.

[nnm]

I don't think this is the main problem. Serious? Yes, absolutely. But, I think, the problem is more of a political amorphousness and unreadiness for tough decisions. Armenia is not ready even now to recognize the NKR, it is not ready to be completely involved in the conflict, trying to limit it only to the territory of Karabakh.

[alexmach]

A full-fledged involvement of Armenia in the conflict will most likely also mean the involvement of Turkey in it and just a larger-scale defeat for Armenia.

[nnm]

Considering the CSTO - not a fact. And it is not necessary to determine the winner in advance. Fortune is extremely fickle in war. Although, of course, everything is determined by her.

[Rubina]

Seriously? That is, do you really think that Azerbaijan, 10 million strong, is fighting against the army of Karabakh with a population of 120 thousand?

[alexmach]

I do not understand from what you have drawn such a conclusion.

[Livonetc]

The current government of Armenia is a typical parastatutke.

[gurzuf]

And what a!

[mitroha]

A moment of perky propaganda.

The enemy fired at the defensive positions of the Azerbaijani army from small arms, mortars and cannons.

Evona, how, summing up the messages of the Azerbaijani side, it turns out that they were bombarded defensive positions relentlessly advancing, always following the enemy running in panic, throwing equipment and property, the brave Azerbaijani army.
The sides face each other.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Call the special forces of the Navy and shoot.

[Doccor18]

As they both sat in our markets, they are sitting.

Of those who have been sitting in the markets for a long time, 95% are citizens of the Russian Federation ...

[Alexander Kopychev]

Citizens of the Russian Federation are actively opposing in Donbas, and these are worse?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: nnm

It is clear that the statement of the opposing side should not be particularly trusted, but against such a background appeals to Russia for help are especially interesting. As they both sat in our markets, they are sitting. And there is no particular desire to go to protect places so valuable to the heart.

If we cast aside their dislike for the representatives of the Armenian and Azerbaijani diaspora, then there is no point in leaving and fighting for them. Military actions have long been demanding professionalism, and Armenia is not threatened by anything. It also makes no sense for the Azerbadzians to go, since they are squeezing - returning the territories to Baku, armed hordes are not suitable. Only the Armenians are shouting about the Azeri support. Here, as in a fairy tale, it is too late to "drink Borjomi when the kidneys are no longer working."

[Ulrich]

You might think that if something happened, all Russians from abroad would run back to fight back to their homeland.

[neri73-r]

Russians, namely Russians, will go! And those whose homeland is where the priest is warm, then they are not Russian, perhaps ethnically.

[Ulrich]

So right there - whoever thought it was necessary, went.

[NTD]

Quote: nnm

And there is no particular desire to go to defend places so valuable to the heart.

The answer is hidden in the words of the Armenian historian. They write about themselves.

Gevorg Aslan, famous Armenian historian: “The Armenians did not have statehood. They are not bound by a sense of homeland and are not bound by political ties. Armenian patriotism is connected only with the place of residence ”.

(G. Aslan, "Armenia and the Armenians", 1914).

S.Lekhatsi, a well-known Armenian historian: “... From Moldova to Istanbul, from Romelia to Great Venice there is no city, village, village where there is no Armenian. Like dust, we settled around the world of the earth. ” (S.Lekhatsi. Travel notes. Eastern literature, Moscow, 1965).

Manuk Abeghyan, famous literary critic, linguist, folklorist, academician: “... where are the roots of the Armenian people, how, when, at what time, from where and in what ways he came here ... We do not have accurate and clear evidence of this” (“History of Armenian literature” , Yerevan, 1975).

Haykazyan, famous Armenian historian: “The first Armenian dynasty does not consist of historical figures, but personalities taken from invented fairy tales. Movses Khorenatsi himself is not a historian of the fifth century, but a historian-falsifier who lived in the seventh century. " ("Armenian History", Paris, 1919)

B. Ishkhanyan: “The Armenians living in Karabakh are partly aborigines - the descendants of the ancient Albanians, and partly refugees from Turkey and Iran, for whom the Azerbaijani land became a refuge from persecution and persecution.” (B. Ishkhanyan, "The peoples of the Caucasus", St. Petersburg, 1916)

[Ulrich]

You drive all your propaganda, you probably get paid for it, right? The only thing is not so skillful that it even becomes funny (like a couple of days ago with inept photoshop). The same is here - you are citing Abegyan's quote, although she does not say anything at all in the context of the fact that the Armenians allegedly do not have their own land.

[NTD]

Quote: Ulrih

You chase all your propaganda

A person wonders why they don't go to defend their homeland. I gave the answer and no propaganda. And the sources are Armenian. And there are a lot of such names

[Alexander Kopychev]

British scientists have proven that everyone has their own land and this is Africa.

[NTD]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

British scientists have proven that everyone has their own land and this is Africa.

I agree. The first traces of humanity were found in what is now Ethiopia.

[Grits]

Quote: MTN

I agree. The first traces of humanity were found in what is now Ethiopia.

I then Negro? Horror....

[Alex Justice]

I then Negro? belay Horror ....

We were all blacks. This is a proven fact.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: nnm

As they both sat in our markets, they are sitting. And there is no particular desire to go to protect places so valuable to the heart.

there are no dypakov. Or very little.

[potterz]

If I were in the place of our government, I would help them do this. Otherwise, soon we ourselves will start helping them ...

[Flavius]

Armenian citizens of Russia are sent back. Double should be at least.

[the Saint]

Quote: Livonetc

"It became known that the servicemen brought to Nagorno-Karabakh from the Tavush and Sisian regions of Armenia refused to engage in battle and left their positions."
And there is no doubt about it.

It is a different matter for Russian servicemen who are ready to pay and pay bribes to get to work in Syria.

[Livonetc]

Where do you come from and where do you get information from?

[Ka-52]

it's a troll. He gets information from his head

[the Saint]

Quote: Ka-52

it's a troll.

such an illiterate and pathetic creature is even inconvenient to minus, so as not to put on the same level with yourself

[NTD]

It is not my fault that you are ignorant. I just studied Armenian history well. That's all. I wrote the authors. Opens google and check. and you santa claus to the level of my education will be very far away. So if you are ignorant, this does not mean that the information that I have indicated is not true.

[the Saint]

They turned to the wrong address, it was not me who laughed at the Armenian army.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Well, VO is reduced to the level of 1 channel "Let them talk." What to do...

[Xnumx vis]

it's ukraYnske ... green toad

[Livonetc]

I'm ready to believe.
As amended.
From the media with a liberalistic bias.
In Russia, democracy and freedom of speech.
Get shit anywhere, don't screw yourself up.

[the Saint]

Quote: Livonetc

I'm ready to believe.
As amended.
From the media with a liberalistic bias.
In Russia, democracy and freedom of speech.
Get shit anywhere, don't screw yourself up.

"Liberastic" FACTS are somehow different from hurray-patriotic?
Khmeimim or Damascus is a city of bread. It gives not only serious money in cash payments, but also the status of a participant in hostilities with life-long material benefits. For this, it's not a pity to share a penny.

[Alexander Kopychev]

You’re all about money, buns, and have you heard anything about the Oath?

[Volodin]

Quote: el Santo

It is a different matter for Russian servicemen who are ready to pay and pay bribes to get to work in Syria.

Give specific examples, and "Voennoye Obozreniye" will highlight them on its pages.

[the Saint]

For God's sake. There are plenty of such cases, here are some
Officers pay the price for Syria
In the case of bribes for business trips to the war, those who paid and received them are tried.
A court in St. Petersburg sentenced Major of the Armed Forces Nikolai Zaikin to 8 years, who, according to investigators, received bribes for sending servicemen to the war in Syria. Together with their accomplice, Captain 3rd Rank Anton Danilovsky, who had already been sentenced in a special order for 2.5 years, they received about 340 thousand rubles. from future combatants. Amounts ranged from 15 rubles for privates and sergeants to 60 for officers.

In St. Petersburg, a sentence was passed to the senior warrant officer, a veteran of military operations in Syria, Sergei Ponedelin, who promised to organize a business trip to Syria for a bribe to a colleague. The united press service of the city courts reports.
As it turned out, the soldier demanded 50 thousand rubles from another senior warrant officer in order to send him on a business trip to Syria.
Etc...

[Fungus]

So these are scammers. They deceived people like they'll go to Syria. Although no one was sent there and could not be sent. That is, you come out as a fakecomet) No wonder.

[the Saint]

Quote: Fungus

So these are scammers. They deceived people like they'll go to Syria.

But this is stupidity, not an argument.

[Fungus]

You understand a fakecomet. And this is not welcome here. You need to go to Ukrainian sites. There are people like you there.

[Volodin]

Interesting examples, especially about a warrant officer who "promised to help."

Quote: el Santo

In St. Petersburg, a sentence was passed to the senior warrant officer, a veteran of military operations in Syria, Sergei Ponedelin, who promised to organize a business trip to Syria for a bribe to a colleague.

There are fools everywhere who are ready to address even an "informed ordinary".

[the Saint]

Quote: Volodin

There are fools everywhere who are ready to address even an "informed ordinary".

The point is not in the ways, but in the desire to get money from some and pay it from others for such a sinecure as a relatively safe war in Syria for personnel.

[Alexander Kopychev]

In a sick society, not without boils, of course.

[Atlant-1164]

and laughter, and a sin .. but why not "not a single millimeter of Armenian land .. we will not give up"? or were they going to fight for the occupied territories until the last Russian soldier ??

[Alena-Baku]

I agree with you, but if someone doubts, let him see how many videos with Armenians are in the network who call to support Armenia, it feels like a war on the internet is going on.

[Megatron]

They refused to join the battle and went to Russia.

[d4rkmesa]

If the reports that the infantry are being driven into battle there without support are correct, then doubts about the competence of the native command are understandable.

[Stirbjorn]

And what can they do if the drones have taken out all the armored vehicles and are now hunting the infantry. Which, by the way, is confirmed by the latest videos.

[d4rkmesa]

KMK Armenian forces need to come to a purely partisan and defensive practice, without trying to improvised boilers. But what's the difficulty, there are no prepared mountain units?

[saigon]

There, the terrain is quite acceptable without mountain parts, but the armor will not pass everywhere.

[the Saint]

Quote: d4rkmesa

If there are reports that infantry is being driven into battle there without support,

As the Prigogine army from PMCs are being driven into Syria, using purely "cannon fodder".

[Fungus]

You mean the fake "300 killed Wagnerians"? So long ago it was dispelled. It turns out you are a purposeful fake launcher.

[the Saint]

I'm talking about the facts of the attitude of the Syrian commanders of Assad to the "unfaithful" volunteer mercenaries from Russia transferred to them under the control, some of whom did not serve in the army at all at home and suffer losses exceeding Arab losses.

[Fungus]

These fakes have been dealing with losses for a long time. They are few in number. People themselves wanted to go to fight for money. Their right.

[the Saint]

I'm talking about the confessions of the PMCs themselves, who talk about the attitude of the Arab commanders towards them, about what the Arabs are equipping them with (old stuff and junk), what tasks, associated with unjustified losses, are forced to perform.

[Fungus]

Here is a topic about Karabakh. But you translate it into the Russian military and PMCs. So you are a willful switchman.

[the Saint]

Why not draw an analogy with another war going on at the same time and also abroad?

[Pensive Lawyer]

To give parallels between the war in Nagorno-Karabakh and the adventures of PMCs in Syria is, to put it mildly, incorrect.
The fighters of PMCs are wild geese, they fight for money, do not represent the interests of their state, do not follow any patriotic motives. Business only. The fact that they are not taken care of, is sent to the very hell and on the most dangerous tasks - again, they are not citizens of the state in which they are fighting, they are paid for this, so why should you babysit them? That's what they pay to die instead of the Syrians. What, in fact, is happening. Those who are not ready for such a situation and then "confessing" about which Syrian commanders are bad, apparently do not understand what job they have chosen.
In the event of the entry of the armed units of the standing army of the Russian Federation into hostilities, the situation will be radically opposite. Our officers take care of the fighters - if only because they are not patted on the head for unjustified losses, and the military career of such strategists ends there. The standing army has normal armament, unlike mercenaries - few PMCs are able to afford to have heavy equipment, artillery, aviation, and so on, and so on. Finally, in terms of moral and strong-willed qualities, a standing army always surpasses the mercenaries - the mercenary thinks how to survive, the soldier is driven by duty.

[the Saint]

The standing army also constantly suffers losses, including not a single number of generals and colonels.

[the Saint]

Quote: Pensive Lawyer

To give parallels between the war in Nagorno-Karabakh and the adventures of PMCs in Syria is, to put it mildly, incorrect.

The situation is one-on-one with the unemployed security guards who died in Syria and the credited furniture assemblers from Russia who became mercenaries.


Le Monde (France): dozens of beggar Syrian mercenaries die in Nagorno-Karabakh
Dozens of recruited Syrians, whom shameless recruiters and preachers promised money to, died in battles on the side of Azerbaijanis. The author tells how, because of poverty, these people, without realizing it, get involved in a completely alien war.
https://inosmi.ru/politic/20201023/248393958.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr

[Buka001]

A deliberate switchman from armenia! You must somehow throw out resentment and anger) and prick something Russian

[anjey anjey]

A video has already been uploaded in which the Armenian reservists are attacking in deployed chains. UAV directs a salvo of MLRS at them. The result of such an attack is at least 40% of the attacking steel "200". https://youtu.be/uvV4feHuLdo

[Voentorg]

We must put all the active ones down so that they do not demolish the Pashinyan after the drain of Karabakh. I think the Armenians will leave Pashinyan after the complete defeat.

[Ulrich]

It’s strange - Azerbaijan can shoot all sorts of videos from its drones (about the destruction of equipment, personnel, shelling of various front-line objects, etc.), but for some reason it cannot film this alleged mass exodus of Armenians ...

[voyaka uh]

There was a video of the Armenian special forces running away after being hit by a dense counterattack.
But that was quite reasonable - otherwise they would have been destroyed in the open.

[Voentorg]

Video editing, Dinosaurs in "Jurasik Park" also hunted for people.

[Babayka babaykin]

There is no escape, everyone dies, the ares cannot boast of this ☝️☝️☝️

[Cottager452]

The scenario is nearing completion: Karabakh in half, each one aisle, Russia home, Peace, friendship among peoples.

[Buka001]

Nope. Better Armenia in half, Azerbaijan remains Karabakh. And Marseilles is an ancient Armenian land.

[Knell wardenheart]

The average citizen of Armenia benefits from the NKR as we do from Alaska.

[the Saint]

Quote: 30 vis

it's ukraYnske ... green toad

and what not to raise to America or Israel? No fantasy or ignorance of geography interferes?

[the Saint]

Quote: Livonetc

Where do you come from and where do you get information from?

From the media with a patriotic bias, of course, like Arguments and Facts.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Well, this still needs to be confirmed, and if there were such cases, then most likely from both sides.

[Gunther]

Quote: nnm

It is clear that the statement of the opposing side should not be particularly trusted, but against such a background appeals to Russia for help are especially interesting. As they both sat in our markets, they are sitting. And there is no particular desire to go to protect places so valuable to the heart.

some filthy russophobes like Ravshan Askerov on October 13, when Askerov's compatriots from the Azerbaijani army fought for Hadrut and Fizuli, and Askerov himself walked in the center of Moscow, enjoying the last warm days of autumn. Near Dolgorukovskaya Street there is Mikhail Kalashnikov's park - with a monument to the great gunsmith. Seeing the bronze Kalashnikov, Askerov could not resist sharing his thoughts on Facebook:
“A grave, ugly, vulgar, tasteless and immoral monument to the murderer Kalashnikov with a murder weapon in his hand. And why are you (Russians - EADaily) not being treated for viruses with your AK-47? What the hell are you looking for vaccines? Are the machines more important? "

[albert]

AKM is just a cure for all diseases. Especially useful for people like this Askerov.

[Avior]

Formally, Armenia does not participate in hostilities.
And the question arises - what is the status of the Armenian military personnel participating in the hostilities in the NKR, in Armenia itself?
For example, if he dies, is there any help to the family? And if he is injured and disabled, are there any compensations for him and so on? Is it all documented or on Pashinyan's word of honor?

It became known that the servicemen brought to Nagorno-Karabakh from the Tavush and Sisian regions of Armenia refused to fight and left their positions.

[Berkut154]

And when will the servicemen of Armenia be brought from Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sochi and other cities?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Refused to join the fight, not at all surprised

[Seal]

Quote: nnm

Considering the CSTO - not a fact.

In the CSTO, all decisions are made by voting. And unanimous. For example, Kazakhstan has already stated that it will not consider Azerbaijan an aggressor even if Azerbaijani troops enter the territory of Armenia in the heat of battle.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Seal

Quote: nnm

Considering the CSTO - not a fact.

In the CSTO, all decisions are made by voting. And unanimous. For example, Kazakhstan has already stated that it will not consider Azerbaijan an aggressor even if Azerbaijani troops enter the territory of Armenia in the heat of battle.

And Kazakhstan will fight against NATO? I think the question is rhetorical. Why then is this structure of Russia?

[Seal]

Well, but if Azerbaijan remained in the CSTO, and Armenia left, it is quite possible that the CSTO would unanimously vote for assistance to Azerbaijan.

[svoit]

Quote: nnm

Armenia is not ready to recognize NKR even now

Recognition in itself does not give anything, just a declaration, but if there is an agreement on mutual security, that is another matter.

[Ros 56]

Yes, this is far from three hundred Spartans.

[flicker]

Today's war (death of thousands of people) is a consequence of the collapse of the Union.
In this regard, questions arose.
The hostilities in Karabakh in the late 80s triggered the collapse of the Union.
For example, in the late 70s, such hostilities would have been severely punished, but in the 80s it worked.
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Everyone has heard a lot about the strong Armenian lobby in the US Congress, i.e. about the influence of the Armenian diaspora, especially during the period when Armenia was part of the USSR.
After the collapse of the Union, the strength of the Armenian lobby in the United States has noticeably weakened.
From which it can be assumed that the Armenian diaspora was used by the American special services to influence the Armenian elite in Armenia.
Those. The Armenian diaspora in the United States is not so much an instrument of Armenians to promote common Armenian interests (for example, the recognition of the Armenian genocide), but rather an instrument of the American special services to destabilize the situation in the Union.
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As a result, the Union collapsed and got a situation with Nagorno-Karabakh, which cannot be resolved within the framework of the sovereign states of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Azerbaijan has been preparing its armed forces for 30 years to finally return Karabakh and it looks like it will.
Further, Armenia within 30 years will create its own armed forces in order to regain Karabakh for itself, again it will be Azerbaijan's turn and so on and so forth.
And so, ad infinitum.
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ZY This war takes away the lives of young Armenians and Azerbaijanis and destabilizes the situation on the borders of Russia - and therefore is not needed by either the first, or the second, or the third.
And only the West, led by the United States, needs it.
The Armenian Diaspora in the United States works against the interests of Armenians, dooms them to death.
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I remember the Armenians said "where there was an Armenian, there is nothing to do"
The past said the opposite.
So, it looks like they have tricked the Armenians around the finger.