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"Both the crew error and the failure of the PRT-24": Ukraine presented a controversial report on the reasons for the fall of the An-26

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In Ukraine, they announced the completion of the investigation into the crash of the An-26 aircraft near Kharkov.


Recall that in the plane crash that occurred on September 25, only one person could survive - a cadet of a Kharkov military university. 26 people, including all crew members, were killed.

The results of the investigation were announced. It is reported that the commission of inquiry "revealed systemic violations in the organization of flights - from the brigade to the command of the air forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

It was noted that technical malfunctions of the aircraft were identified - and the question is no longer about the exhausted resource of the engines, as previously reported. On the other hand, a specific malfunction is also indicated: the failure of the maximum temperature control system - PRT-24.

At the same time, the commission's report, which looks contradictory, says that the failure of the PRT-24 "led to an emergency situation on board the military transport aircraft, but should not have caused a disaster." The following thesis is proposed to explain the conflicting conclusions:

The human factor played a role. And we also found the crew's errors.

Frankly speaking, there is little specificity in the presented report.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 23 October 2020 06: 59
    13
    Commission report: if you look from above, then on the right it seems that nothing is visible from below. This is to be expected_ wonderland.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 October 2020 07: 03
      +4
      Garik hi -the report says only what can be written without the risk of then disappearing forever for your "scribble"! True, the thing is deadly, in the ue-roine they kill for it without hesitation! Therefore, such "vague relations" come out of the pen !!!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 23 October 2020 07: 06
        +6
        "Both the crew error and the failure of the PRT-24": Ukraine presented a controversial report on the reasons for the fall of the An-26
        invite holland, they will sharply draw conclusions.
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 23 October 2020 07: 07
        +2
        hi Responsibility will hang on the "human factor" and will continue to quietly get drunk on the lives of young animals.
        1. nnm
          nnm 23 October 2020 07: 13
          +3
          Will not work. They were awarded this week)))) So, there remains the equipment and dispatchers with the flight organizers
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 23 October 2020 07: 15
            0
            God grant that they will at least posthumously leave them alone.
            Although I won't be surprised if after the elections, everyone will be replayed.
    2. Machito
      Machito 23 October 2020 08: 36
      0
      Quote: newbie
      Commission report: if you look from above, then on the right it seems that nothing is visible from below. This is to be expected_ wonderland.

      Crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow. Yes, the wrong country was named Honduras.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 23 October 2020 07: 01
    -1
    The official version has been uploaded ... the unofficial version is available on Ukrainian social networks ... allegedly at this time some VIP person was landing and priority was given to her to the detriment of the An-26 in distress.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 07: 08
      +6
      To be honest, this unofficial version is very strange. In any emergency, take the first emergency prescribed by all possible statutes. The emergency board always appears suddenly, the dispatcher simply does not have time to receive the command "from above" to send the emergency board for the second round.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 October 2020 07: 12
        +1
        In general, some strange things happen to the dispatchers of Ukraine ... how could they allow the Malaysian Boeing to plot a course through the war zone ... which was generally unacceptable according to all the rules ..
    2. nnm
      nnm 23 October 2020 07: 10
      -1
      The son of an Air Force commander, a cadet of the same VVUZ, who flew on a second similar board.
      1. askort154
        askort154 23 October 2020 07: 27
        +6
        The son of an Air Force commander, a cadet of the same VVUZ, who flew on a second similar board.

        This is all not competent media speculation. When the AN-26 was taking off (from the "conveyor"), the side on which the "son" was, was between the "traverse" and the 3rd turn. He could not create any interference. hi
    3. newcomer
      newcomer 23 October 2020 07: 12
      -1
      They say that the VIP was the son of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief. However, a day or two, after the crash, the mother of one of the cadets confessed to the journalist that her son had already flown this car and complained about one of the dviguns.
    4. bober1982
      bober1982 23 October 2020 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      supposedly at this time some kind of VIP-person was coming in and priority was given to her to the detriment of the An-26 in distress.

      The Kharkiv governor began to spread this nonsense, then these same social networks were picked up.
    5. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 23 October 2020 13: 47
      0
      Where do you read this? He did not request an emergency landing, but reported an engine failure. Now, if it sounded on the air "Priority for landing"It's a completely different matter. An-26 comes in and sits down without any problems with one engine that failed. And here really the Commander! They killed everyone and themselves with a sideboard ...
  3. nnm
    nnm 23 October 2020 07: 10
    +2
    But before the elections, the crew had already been awarded state awards in front of the lenses of numerous cameras ...
  4. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 23 October 2020 07: 13
    +1
    Frankly speaking, there is little specificity in the presented report.
    ... Probably, the truth hurts. I hope, even though they have made conclusions for themselves, have thought in what country they live and where it is heading.
    1. wow
      wow 23 October 2020 07: 46
      +1
      Yes, it does not roll anywhere. All - rolled. Then hit the bottom!
  5. Asad
    Asad 23 October 2020 07: 25
    +1
    How quickly the commission worked! Contradictory, but fast!
  6. Dimka75
    Dimka75 23 October 2020 08: 39
    0
    This is not a report of the commission, but the words of the deputy minister about the completion of the commission's work and a few phrases from the report.
    The report itself will be on 28.10.
    At the same time, the commission report, which looks contradictory

    what is not yet contradictory
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 23 October 2020 09: 11
    +1
    Whether this report is or not, in principle, it does not matter. In the country there is a systemic crisis, equipment is used that has exhausted its resource 2-3 times, the problem is not solved, in principle, without capital investments.
  8. Mik13
    Mik13 23 October 2020 09: 21
    +5
    At the same time, the commission's report, which looks contradictory, says that the failure of the PRT-24 "led to an emergency situation on board the military transport aircraft, but should not have caused a disaster."

    There is a proposal not to allow copywriters to write articles who do not understand what they are writing about.

    First, in most aviation accidents, there are multiple causes combined.

    In which, in this particular case, exactly this combination of reasons happened - there was a failure of one of the systems of the left engine, which the crew could not cope with.
    In the most extreme case, with a complete failure of the engine (even the left one - there is a difference), the An-26 is perfectly capable of safely completing the flight on one engine - with the appropriate restrictions. There was a partial refusal. The crew mistakenly chose the landing configuration for landing with two engines (namely, the flap angle - when landing on one it is less - and, accordingly, the landing speed is higher). When the engine failed on the glide path, the crew did not have enough time to correct the situation.

    KMK, a crew error is not a piloting error - in that situation, even ideal pilots would have dropped the plane. The mistake is that they generally got into a situation where, with a potentially faulty left engine, they were on the glide path in the wrong landing configuration. However, this behavior is understandable, given that this malfunction has previously manifested itself on this engine repeatedly, and has not previously led to such problems with the engine.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 October 2020 09: 39
      0
      Quote: Mik13
      a crew error is not a piloting error - in that situation, even ideal pilots would drop the plane

      The commander of the crew did not correspond to the level of the commander, had a small total flying time, it is not known how much he flew in general, including as a commander, they hide all this, had a 26nd class, which is unacceptable. The crew actually lacked the right pilot.
      There was no emergency situation, the disaster happened.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 23 October 2020 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        The commander of the crew did not correspond to the level of the commander, had a small total flying time, it is not known how much he flew in general, including as a commander, they hide all this, had a 26nd class, which is unacceptable. The crew actually lacked the right pilot.

        At the air forum they wrote that he had less than 1000 hours on the An-26. This is really not enough for transport aviation. But it should be borne in mind that he got almost all the flying time at the school - in the take-off-landing mode and when working out various interesting situations - which changes things a little.

        With regards to the right one, it is still a decorative element in military crews. In this situation, the main character was the flight engineer. And by the way, the most interesting question - did the left engine fail on its own - or did it become feathery due to an incorrect change in the mode?

        Quote: bober1982
        There was no emergency situation, the disaster happened.
        So I don't argue. It's just that in a difficult situation, the crew did not recognize the malfunction. Although I should have. Some fully functional aircraft are stuck into the planet ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 October 2020 09: 54
          +3
          Quote: Mik13
          But it should be borne in mind that almost all of his flying time was received precisely at the school - in take-off-landing mode

          You yourself and, correctly indicated the cause of the disaster.
          He had a total flight time of 800 hours, it is not known on what.
          Not his fault, but those who admitted him to the left cup.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 October 2020 10: 46
            +4
            Quote: bober1982
            He had a total flight time of 800 hours, it is not known on what.

            This raid is quite suitable for the opportunity to "pass" and get 1 grade .. and here is the level of training he has what .. this is the second question and who allowed him to fly with an estimate kk .... here you are right.
        2. ancient
          ancient 23 October 2020 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: Mik13
          which is less than 1000 hours on the An-26. This is really not enough for transport aviation.

          For any kind of aviation, this is a very normal raid.
          Quote: Mik13
          With regards to the right one, it is still a decorative element in military crews.

          I do not know .... in "combat" aviation, each member of the crew is important and fulfills his functions and the right k.k. always (!!!) allows you to either take off (under control) or land (under control) well, and "pedal" on the hands on the route and in the zone ... and not sit on "cleaning and releasing the landing gear. headlights " wassat
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 23 October 2020 10: 46
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            For any kind of aviation, this is a very normal raid.

            He had a total flight time of 800 hours, and not on the An-26, and how many he flew on it is a big mystery, like the flight as a crew commander.
        3. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 23 October 2020 14: 00
          +3
          Screw left only! from the fourth time I was on "emphasis". Does this mean something to you? There is a failure of automation. Well, they decided to fly ... Well, they began to feathered directly at the approach, when negative thrust appeared and the rudders were no longer enough to hold the s-that. There was simply not enough time. Well, the flaps were fully extended, not 15.
      2. askort154
        askort154 23 October 2020 10: 28
        +4
        bober1982]...the situation was not. the disaster happened

        Vladimir, I specially went to Ukrainian sites, on this disaster, I read
        flight personnel information. One version, in my opinion, is the most realistic.
        The board carried out flights in a "circle". In order to save time and fuel, takeoffs were carried out from the "conveyor belt", the runway and the situation allowed. During the next takeoff, the left engine oil pressure began to drop on the left engine, which the flight mechanic did not notice. At an altitude of 100-150 m, the left engine failed, and due to the low pressure in the system, the propeller did not "feather", which led to a sharp and strong turning moment in its direction. The crew could not
        counter, this abruptly arising reversal moment at low speed and low altitude. They removed the regime to the right, but the low altitude did not allow getting out of this position. Based on this, the cause of the accident is a technical malfunction. The accompanying one is the fault of the flight mechanic, who did not notice the drop in oil pressure in time.
        But the "authorities" cannot admit that the aircraft is in a "grave condition", therefore
        try to blame the crew, as is often the case in "practice". The "dead crew" is always to blame - there is no one to punish. hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 October 2020 10: 49
          +4
          Quote: askort154
          But the "authorities" cannot admit that the aircraft is in a "grave condition", therefore
          try to blame the crew, as is often the case in "practice". The "dead crew" is always to blame - there is no one to punish

          Sasha ... dear ... I fully confirm ... especially in our time ... this happened everywhere ... that would recognize the CPN and the fault of the MAP or KB ..... this is from the series .. "not marketing" ... almost always ... "human factor" and .... what we clearly formulated .... "there is no one to ask" sad
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 23 October 2020 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: askort154
          The board performed "circle" flights. In order to save time and fuel, takeoffs were carried out from a "conveyor belt", the runway and the situation allowed.

          There, there were a full board of cadets-navigators, what kind of training can we talk about, so, for a general flight to fly, a fiction - an imitation of training, which ended with a gorgeous funeral.
          And, my respect for you.
        3. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 23 October 2020 14: 08
          +1
          Your "truth" is only partly ...
        4. VO3A
          VO3A 23 October 2020 15: 56
          0
          The question of engine repair is not very clear! The limit value for the time interval between repairs is 27 years, and this value was introduced in 2017 ... If the engine was repaired in 1990, how could it fly without repair at any operating hours? The maximum calendar period has expired! The extension of the service life by the technical condition does not mean a change in the maximum calendar period established by the manufacturer ...
        5. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 23 October 2020 17: 38
          +1
          Alexandru, 10.28
          It is somehow uncomfortable for me not to interfere in the conversation with a professional, but - nevertheless - I will express my non-professional opinion. I believe that you are FULLY right about THIS "definition" of the causes of the catastrophe: the Ukrainian authorities and the Air Force command never admit that the MAIN REASON is THEIR attitude to equipment, its insufficient maintenance due to lack of proper funding due to the negligence of the COMMAND-POWER. Therefore, the "scapegoats" were "identified" as guilty - the dead crew, who, flying on vehicles with a resource determined "from the lantern", played with death every day. Everything else is related details.
      3. ancient
        ancient 23 October 2020 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: bober1982
        , had 2nd class, which is unacceptable

        Why belay ..that 2nd grade, in your opinion, wassat does not allow to hold the position of candidate to. on airplanes and helicopters?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 October 2020 10: 53
          -3
          Quote: ancient
          that the 2nd grade, in your opinion, does not allow to hold the position of candidate to. on airplanes and helicopters?

          What kind of aircraft (emergency), such on them and 2nd class pilots fly, fake.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 October 2020 13: 57
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            Such aircraft (emergency), such as the 2nd class pilots fly on them, are fake.

            Wake up surprised, but all pilots in IA (IA Air Defense), ShA and FBA, and some in DA (especially on Tu-16s) become k.k. and kvs with 3rd class wink
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 23 October 2020 14: 13
              -2
              Quote: ancient
              Wake up surprised, but all pilots in IA (IA Air Defense), ShA and FBA, and some in DA (especially on Tu-16s) become k.k. and kvs with 3rd class

              What are you talking about? And, remember from what year the pilots, graduate lieutenants, began to be transferred to the Su-24 immediately after graduation, remember? graduates (Yak-28) from Barnaul VVAUL where and by whom was it determined? Right pilot on the Yak-28
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 October 2020 16: 31
                +2
                Quote: bober1982
                What are you saying?

                What I know .. that's what I "say" ... unlike you wink
                Quote: bober1982
                And, remember from what year the pilots, graduate lieutenants, began to be transferred to the Su-24 immediately after graduation, remember?

                I hereby report:
                The flight crew at the school was never trained on the Su-24, except for studying a promising aircraft in terms of general knowledge and do not cook now.
                The plane was considered difficult to fly and until 1985, only pilots below class 2 were taken on it (they tore apart the regiments of the IBA, IA, RA and SHA)
                In 1985 year in ZabVo (this is behind the "Crooked Lake"), an "experiment" was undertaken to prepare
                pilot lieutenants immediately after graduating from schools - they broke up a few planes, but on the whole the "experiment" was recognized as worth it (due to the fact that in the IBA units the pilots with the 2nd class were almost completely removed) ...
                So a new phase began - immediately after college, around 1988, the first graduations were made in schools purely on l-39 and the lieutenants were sent to the retraining center, where they flew on Su-25, Su-17m3 (Taganrog), Su-24 (Berdyansk), on the MiG-23 (Kupyansk mine) ...

                With the collapse of the USSR, this stage of preparation dropped out completely and lieutenants began to enter the regiments immediately after the L-39 (they fiddled very hard, so to speak, softly), every year there was a raid at the school (they even came with a total of less than 100 hours) and then they adopted a new one. paragraph - all after school to finish their studies again on L-39 in order to catch up with the total flight time to 180 hours ...

                Questions?
                The residents of Barnaul were released on their own types, flew on the L-39 and transferred to the Yak-28 and Il-28 .. "carried" in the shelves on twin-cars, then only on the Yak-28. after 1983 ... the school began to fly the MiG-21 (and the profile became the IBA's school) ... there were years when only the L-39 flew ... and got ... in all kinds of aviation ... even helicopters wassat
                1. ancient
                  ancient 23 October 2020 16: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: ancient
                  lieutenants of pilots immediately after graduation from schools

                  In some regiments of the VA, lieutenants were retrained directly in the regiment ... usually 3 AE is engaged in this, navigators also immediately came from Chelyabinsk.
                2. bober1982
                  bober1982 23 October 2020 16: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: ancient
                  In 1985, in ZabVo (this is behind the "Crooked Lake"), an "experiment" was undertaken to prepare

                  Confused nothing? Transbaikal regiment (s), you can name.
                  Quote: ancient
                  So a new stage began - right after college, around 1988

                  Quote: ancient
                  where did they fly to

                  Quote: ancient
                  Su-24

                  Remember, remember, strain your memory, beguiled everything and, something else and invented, namely, where exactly the Trans-Baikal experiments were carried out, who, where and what messed up. Let's do without lyrics.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 23 October 2020 16: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Confused nothing? transbaikal regiment (s), you can call

                    21 dietary supplements - Dzhida, Boda.
                    30 ADIB - Borzya, Steppe
                    and a separate ORAP in Domna.
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Remember, remember, strain your memory, everything was beguiled and something was invented, namely where exactly the Trans-Baikal experiments were carried out

                    6th BAP Steppe in 1985 ... when switching to a new materiel, young lieutenants began to "take out" along with the old staff.
                    And the question .. what do you mean .. "hired" to deal with you .. "educational program"? belay
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 23 October 2020 17: 24
                      -4
                      You don’t know anything.
                      Almost the entire issue of the Yeisk VVAUL - 1985. left for the Su-24, they were the first graduate lieutenants who successfully mastered this glorious aircraft. This was, in your words, an experiment and, very successful, and not what you composed.
                      Quote: ancient
                      21 dietary supplements - Dzhida, Boda.
                      30 ADIB - Borzya, Steppe
                      and a separate ORAP in Domna

                      And here everything was confused, that is, you don't know.
                      By the way, not Boda, but Bada, seems to be a trifle, but says a lot.
                      21 bad, composition - Dzhida, dietary supplement and Borzya.
                      And, moreover, here -... young lieutenants began to be taken out with the old composition (end of your ingenious quote)
                      And with whom, they, the young lieutenants, had to be taken out? With waitresses from the flight canteen, so it works.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 24 October 2020 11: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        And, moreover, here -... young lieutenants began to be taken out with the old composition (end of your ingenious quote)

                        Given that you are finished ... fool
                        Did you see the slip and ..... "yeah .. you don't know anything" ...? wassat ... they still haven't jumped out of short pants tongue
                        Quote: bober1982
                        21 bad, composition - Dzhida, dietary supplement and Borzya.


                        21st Bomber Aviation Division - in the 1980s For some time, the compound was subordinate to the management of the 30th VA VGK [whose headquarters was located in Irkutsk].
                        1. 2nd Guards Orsha Red Banner Bomber Aviation Regiment (Jida, in the west of the Chita region):
                        24 Su-24m (since 79) since 1984 M-ki

                        2. 21-th Vitebsk Red Banner Bomber Aviation Regiment (Bada, Khiloksky district of Chita region):
                        Su-24m (from 1977 and from 84 M-ki).

                        30th Fighter-Bomber Aviation Division (Steppe, near the station Olovyannaya, Chita region)

                        1. 58th Fighter-Bomber Aviation Regiment (Steppe): 40 MiG-27 from 75g. disbanded in April 90. and newer in 266 apib
                        2. 189nd Guards Brest Order of Suvorov bomber aviation regiment (Borzya): 11 Su-24 received from 89 bap 14.11.90.

                        Quote: bober1982
                        And, moreover, here -... young lieutenants began to be taken out with the old composition (end of your ingenious quote)

                        And despite the fact that the retraining of the 6th and 733 bap took place almost simultaneously (from the Su-17 to the Su-24) .. that's why I wrote ... VMET was retrained and taken out both "old men" and young people. "
                        You definitely graduated from an aviation school and served somewhere or so ... "stood next to it"?
                        shit such nonsense .. that you are just surprised ... you don’t know shit .. but you puff out your cheeks wassat
                      2. ancient
                        ancient 24 October 2020 11: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: ancient
                        Almost the entire issue of the Yeisk VVAUL - 1985.

                        Not almost, but 6 people came to the 18th bap, and in 733 bap .. about 8-10 .. I don’t remember exactly .. where the rest were assigned I don’t know .. a lot of graduates left for the "Troops Group" at 16 VA, 4 VA, and 36 VA ... this is so ... for .. "expanding horizons" wassat
                      3. bober1982
                        bober1982 24 October 2020 13: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: ancient
                        Not nearly

                        The entire issue, in full? 100% ?
                    2. bober1982
                      bober1982 24 October 2020 13: 07
                      -4
                      You, do not shy away from the question, I asked you to point out the Trans-Baikal regiment (s), where the experiment (?) Was conducted, with the beating of planes, according to your statement, but you are starting to speak here. Who, where and when - specifically and what kind of mysterious experiment it is.
    2. askort154
      askort154 23 October 2020 11: 21
      +2
      ancient..Why? ..that the 2nd grade, in your opinion, does not allow to occupy the position of candidate to. on airplanes and helicopters?

      Serge hi ! Vladimir got excited. Of course it allows, especially since the An-26 is a class 2 aircraft. This is for class 1 aircraft, KK maybe only a class 1 pilot. (it used to be, also a member of the CPSU)
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 23 October 2020 16: 04
      0
      He was taking out the cadets! Does he have a flight instructor clearance? And the 2nd class is not enough in this case, although such cases are allowed ... But there must be a special admission .... During a training flight, other requirements for the export crew and with the right pilot the "decorative option" no longer passes ...
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 October 2020 16: 40
        +2
        Quote: VO3A
        Does he have a flight instructor clearance?

        In the UAP, the position of a pilot - an instructor (shkrab) is already at once. The second class is for them, as far as I remember, 450 hours and the passage of exercises in KULP.
        And the 3rd grade is already an instructor in the daytime in PMU (500X5) .. probably already quite has such a permit
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  10. Lptsk
    Lptsk 23 October 2020 12: 23
    +2
    I wrote some nonsense. Are you related to aviation? In a school, an instructor pilot can be at least with grade 3 and with a flight time of 300 hours. A scrub with 200 hours can have takeoffs and landings for 400 nd class. No comment at all. The fact that they did not work correctly when they failed, wow. Quite a normal situation, you turn off the prt and follow the TVG. If the engine fails on takeoff, with timely weathering and the correct actions of the aircraft technician and the commander, everything will be ok.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 October 2020 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Lptsk
      No comment at all.

      The general plaque has the most distant relation to the assignment of class qualifications, it is necessary when obtaining or confirming a class, but this very plaque is looked at last.
      Quote: Lptsk
      A scrub with a pour of 200 hours can have take-offs and landings for 400nd class

      And, here really, no comment.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 23 October 2020 12: 51
      -2
      With such a commentary, you show that you have the most vague relation to aviation and, the idea of ​​a flight class is very vague. If it does not come, I will explain.
      Upon receipt and confirmation of the class, in addition to the required total flight time, a certain flight time is required day and night in adverse weather conditions, landings in these conditions, the number of combat use during the day, at night in difficult conditions and much more.
      You can even fly until blue in the face and have a huge annual or total flight time, but if you do not have what you have listed, then you can forget about receiving, or confirming the class.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 October 2020 14: 15
        +4
        Quote: bober1982
        You, with such a comment, show

        Don't "drown" wassat further .. spin like so .. in a frying pan.
        Your quote - "... He had a total flight time of 800 hours, no one knows what."
        My quote is "...This plaque is quite suitable for the opportunity to "pass" and get 1 class..but what is his level of training..this is the second question and who allowed him to fly with an estimate of k.k .... here you are right. "
        What does the confirmation of the class have to do with it? ... These are his personal problems, well, the "problems" of the squadron commander with the deputy. on flight training, that the personnel does not confirm the class qualifications and "falls out" of the planned number 1.
        There were years in the Air Force when the personnel received 1 year for two and confirmation of their class qualifications by the Order of the Air Force Commander.
        When mastering a new type of aircraft in a calendar year, the year is counted for 2, and if at least one flight is performed on the newly mastered type, regardless of the day or night.
        When performing ANY BZ in the conditions of database maintenance or during armed conflicts, a flight to the BZ is considered to confirm the class qualifications and the length of service begins to be counted 1 day for 3 when flying to the airfield in the area of ​​the database from the moment the business trip is marked at the local commandant's office.
        When departing from the territory of the Union and returning back 1 day for 3 is considered only the day of completion of the BBZ, and the class is confirmed in the same way .. immediately !!!

        Quote: bober1982
        You, with such a commentary, show that you have the most vague relation to aviation and, the idea of ​​a flight class is very vague.

        I have already made comments to you .. think before you write something ... or wrinkle the expression of the great Peter 1. ".. the navigator is a boorish brat ....." wassat
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 October 2020 14: 18
          -4
          Quote: ancient
          great Peter 1

          Why is he great, let me be curious.
          Antichrist on the throne.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 October 2020 14: 32
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            Why is he great, let me be curious.
            Antichrist on the throne.

            I have no more questions ... hi
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 23 October 2020 16: 10
      0
      There is an assumption about the inoperability of the feathering system on most ukrosaplanes, there was an interview ...
  • iouris
    iouris 23 October 2020 13: 43
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    Well, I was 'avaril, sho broke' asudarstvo.