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Peace in Nagorno-Karabakh. Mission Impossible?

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Against the background of the next round of peace talks held in Moscow at the level of the heads of the diplomatic departments of Yerevan and Baku, held with the participation of representatives of our country, hostilities continue around Nagorno-Karabakh, not only not subsiding, but becoming more and more fierce. The impression is beginning to emerge that reconciliation between the final "bitters" in their desire to cut the "knot" that cannot be untied by the parties to the conflict is impossible in principle. Is it so?


We can say that the answer to this question is the last words of the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan, who bluntly stated that "at this stage the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh has no diplomatic solution." Moreover, as he specified, "it will not have for a long time." Such categorical statements sound rather strange taking into account the real situation that is taking shape today on the Armenian-Azerbaijani front. The situation is clearly not in favor of Yerevan and threatens to worsen even more in the very near future.

So far, the efforts of the Azerbaijani army to encircle Nagorno-Karabakh and completely cut it off from Armenia can be considered very successful. The advancement of its units in Fizuli, Jabrayil, Khojavend and Zangilan regions, taking control of 24 villages and the city of Zangilan (according to Baku data) looks like a convincing military success. Such actions make one believe that the Azerbaijanis will also be able to fulfill the task of cutting the Lachin corridor, which is vital for the NKR, after which its connection with Armenia will actually be interrupted. The next stage of the offensive operation may be the assault on Stepanakert.

Naturally, in this situation, Ilham Aliyev is not inclined to conclude any agreements on peace, at least on the basis of those positions that at least minimally suit his opponents. At the moment, there are strong suspicions that even having sat down with the Armenians at the negotiating table, the Azerbaijanis will no longer be satisfied with the return to Baku's authority of the regions that were turned after 1994 into the “security belt” of Nagorno-Karabakh them with considerable strategic success.

Now, having made significant progress and having a clear strategic initiative, the Azerbaijani side may well put forward much tougher demands: for example, about the transfer of control over Shusha to it, located on the heights that are dominant relative to Stepanakert. And this is at least ... It is clear that Yerevan will not fulfill such conditions. If only due to the fact that for any representative of the Armenian government the surrender of Artsakh would mean immediate political suicide. Anyway, this kind of solution. most likely will lead to riots in Armenia.

It is on this basis that Nikol Pashinyan is trying today with all his might to draw Russia into the increasingly hot conflict. Saying that he is “ready to compromise, not surrender” and, in principle, is not averse to talking about peace with Aliyev, but exclusively in Moscow and with the mediation of Vladimir Putin, the Armenian prime minister immediately declares that Russia “is time to start in Nagorno-Karabakh a counter-terrorist operation modeled on Syria. "

Can Armenia and Azerbaijan, who have grabbed and intent on the corners of the ring, seem to fight without rules and to the last blood, the appearance of heavyweights on it, who have not yet intervened in the fight? This is a big question. As soon as Russia, which until now has shown support for the Armenians while maintaining official neutrality, engages in an open battle, Turkey will immediately rush into it, only this, it seems, is waiting. Then, instead of ending the duel between Yerevan and Baku, we will get a wall-to-wall battle with the prospect of a local conflict developing into a big war, or even a global conflict.

Yes, the introduction of Russian peacekeepers into Nagorno-Karabakh (or, ideally, the corresponding contingent of the CSTO countries) would probably calm down the opposing sides and cease fire. If not for Ankara, which is completely uninterested in this. It is ridiculous to talk about the European Union or the United States, deeply mired in their own problems and confining themselves to “expressing deep concern”, as peacekeepers for Nagorno-Karabakh.

Speaking yesterday at the international discussion forum "Valdai", Russian President Vladimir Putin made it clear on whose side the sympathies of our country were on, saying that the bloody strife was initiated by "cruel crimes against the Armenian people." However, he did not fail to mention that Armenia and Azerbaijan are "equal partners" for Moscow, and its position is the status of a mediator equidistant from both sides.

We have to admit: a political solution to this crisis will most likely be impossible until both sides of the conflict come to the conclusion that further hostilities are futile, finally getting bogged down in hopeless bloody positional battles, depleting their resources to the maximum and shedding enough blood. Peace in Nagorno-Karabakh will come only when neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis have the strength to fight for it.
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 15: 05 New
    +2
    Peace in Nagorno-Karabakh will come only when neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis have the strength to fight for it.

    Another option Azerbaijan will capture Karabakh. Half a step left. Lachin is practically blocked, fighting in the direction of Shushi has begun. Winter is close, the roads are blocked, not one army in such conditions will be able to wage a defensive war. Food, shells and people will run out very quickly. Infa is relevant for this morning.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 15: 17 New
      -7
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Winter is close, the roads are closed, not one army in such conditions will be able to wage a defensive war

      And the Germans near Moscow spoke a little differently.
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          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 15: 30 New
            -1
            Then why did they write it?
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            And the Germans near Moscow spoke a little differently.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 15: 32 New
              +5
              I'm talking about snow). And not about the belligerents and their actions. General frost and other stuff. Just to the long-standing "dispute" about who the weather bothers more - the attacker or the defender. Regardless of even Armenians and Azerbaijanis
    2. Voentorg
      Voentorg 23 October 2020 15: 29 New
      +3
      What is winter like in the South Caucasus?
      +15/20?
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 15: 34 New
        -3

        During the cold period, the average temperature in January-February ranges from -0,2 ° С to -0,9 ° С [3]

        Prolonged cold and heat, as a rule, are not observed, the lowest temperature in the low-lying zone drops to -16 ° C, in the foothills - up to −19 ° C, in the highlands - from −20 ° С to −23 ° С.

        Plains beyond Azerbaijan, Armenia holds the foothills and highlands.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 October 2020 17: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Voentorg
        What is winter like in the South Caucasus?
        +15/20?
        In the mountains -1 with humidity, like -10 is felt and chills to the bone. North Ossetia and Ingushetia with Chechnya were enough to understand what winter in the mountains is.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 18: 48 New
          0
          I forget that 9 out of 10 commentators in the mountains were not in the field conditions. For them, "winter in the mountains" is an empty phrase, at most a ski resort.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 23 October 2020 16: 06 New
      -3
      Winter is coming, the roads are closed

      And here is an interesting question - why did Aliyev start the war right now? Wouldn't it be more logical to do this, say, in May? In autumn, and even more so in winter, fighting in the mountains is somehow not awkward. Apparently - something got hot on the one who gave him this instruction .. It remains to understand who, and what got hot ..
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 16: 23 New
        -2
        Quote: paul3390
        Why did Aliyev start the war right now?

        The answer is simple: US presidential elections. It is necessary to win the war before the beginning of November so that the United States does not interfere.
        Quote: paul3390
        in winter - to fight in the mountains is somehow not kusyavo.
        BAD is when in the mountains without food and ammunition you stick out under the blows of artillery and UAVs, when it is normal on the plain and with constant supply.
      2. FerrariStradale
        FerrariStradale 23 October 2020 18: 01 New
        -7
        Because
        - Azerbaijan saw the effectiveness of Turkish UAVs in Syria this summer. And I decided to repeat this same thing against Armenia.
        - Azerbaijan saw the weakness of Russian / Soviet air defense systems in Syria this summer against UAVs.
        - Azerbaijan saw the weakness of the Russian leadership, which allowed Turkey to defeat the Syrian army and occupy the Idlib region with Turkish ground forces.
        Azerbaijan was inspired by the actions of Turkey and went ahead.

        Many Russian patriots write .... "Now, if the Armenians did not ride on the Maidans ... if they were not sold to Soros .... then Azerbaijan would never have been attacked ... blah blah blah .."
        So how was Assad helped by loyalty to Russia in Idlib ??? The Syrians did not ride on the Maidans, were not sold to the West ... but nevertheless they were defeated by Turkey, drones and de facto lost the war and lost the Idlib region ...
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      3. Buka001
        Buka001 23 October 2020 18: 33 New
        +1
        He started because Pashik took it into his head to attack the goods.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 23 October 2020 16: 53 New
      +8
      In a week or two, everything will be decided. Armenians will leave Karabakh. That's the whole solution.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 24 October 2020 14: 17 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        In a week or two, everything will be decided. Armenians will leave Karabakh. That's the whole solution.

        Unclear. According to Armenian data, out of about 150 thousand of the population of Karabakh, 90 thousand were evacuated. The question is who stayed and what are they counting on. If it is mainly men, then everything will continue for a long time.
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 23 October 2020 18: 40 New
      +1
      There are no mutually acceptable solutions there, there is either a solution acceptable to Armenia, or a solution acceptable to Azerbaijan, or unacceptable to both sides. And there are no fair decisions either, because what is fair for Armenians is flagrant injustice against Azerbaijanis; the converse is also true. In general, there are no good solutions, there are solutions ranging from "very bad" to "stars of everything and everyone."
      The Russian Empire and the USSR were good decisions, but today's Russia is too tough to take control of Transcaucasia, and is it necessary, with so many problems? In principle, Turkey and Iran may be interested in this region, but each of them will do everything possible to prevent the strengthening of a neighbor in the disputed region, and even Russia, although it cannot take it, is quite capable of preventing Iran from doing it. nor Turkey. America and Europe need it.
      So all that remains is to stock up on popcorn and watch.
      1. Toha from KZ
        Toha from KZ 25 October 2020 01: 31 New
        0
        And wait for the influx of another fraternal people to Russian cities
    6. Hypertension
      Hypertension 23 October 2020 21: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Another option Azerbaijan will capture Karabakh. There is half a step left.

      Don't tell. Stepanakert is perhaps now being saturated with ammunition and weapons in order to turn into a kind of Stalingrad. The Armenians screwed up, to be honest, but they are still not made with a finger and IMHO can still arrange a surprise. I hope so. Azerbaijanis are great. Have learned their lessons. But the strengthening of Turkey in the South Caucasus is not necessary for Russia.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 21: 42 New
        -2
        Quote: Hyperion
        to turn into a kind of Stalingrad.

        Well, the Germans in Stalingrad overlaid, then what? Hunger, cold to the accompaniment of artillery.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 23 October 2020 21: 47 New
          -1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Well, the Germans in Stalingrad overlaid, then what? Hunger, cold to the accompaniment of artillery.

          Germans here are Azerbaijanis like that.
          You can also remember the siege of Vraks ... wink
      2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 23 October 2020 21: 46 New
        +2
        If Azerbaijan liberates Shusha - Stepanakert is over. The Armenians there will be shot from above like on a training ground. From Shushi it is in full view.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 23 October 2020 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          If Azerbaijan liberates Shusha - Stepanakert is over. The Armenians there will be shot from above like on a training ground. From Shushi it is in full view.

          It depends on how the Armenians will hold on. And so, yes ... But Shusha must be taken first.
    7. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 October 2020 14: 12 New
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Peace in Nagorno-Karabakh will come only when neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis have the strength to fight for it.

      Another option Azerbaijan will capture Karabakh. Half a step left. Lachin is practically blocked, fighting in the direction of Shushi has begun. Winter is close, the roads are blocked, not one army in such conditions will be able to wage a defensive war. Food, shells and people will run out very quickly. Infa is relevant for this morning.

      Mountains are haemorrhoids for everyone. Lenkoy there is no war there
    8. genisis
      genisis 25 October 2020 02: 16 New
      +1
      Kotya, how many millimeters have passed today? )
  2. And Makarov
    And Makarov 23 October 2020 15: 10 New
    20
    Pashinyan's owners miscalculated when they bet on him.
    1. apro
      apro 23 October 2020 15: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: A Makarov
      Pashinyan's owners miscalculated when they bet on him.

      Why all of a sudden? The war is going on, and this is a good result ...
      1. And Makarov
        And Makarov 23 October 2020 15: 27 New
        18
        Quote: apro
        the war is on. and this is a good result

        Well, if so, then yes.
        But still, I think their goals were somewhat different.
        1. Voentorg
          Voentorg 23 October 2020 15: 30 New
          +3
          The goal is to merge Karabakh, Pashinyan is still fulfilling the plan.
        2. apro
          apro 23 October 2020 15: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: A Makarov
          But still, I think their goals were somewhat different.

          It’s not the kingdom of heaven in Armenia to arrange ??? there are no global interests. Periphery. Can only hook Iran?
        3. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 15: 43 New
          +3
          They have no other goals than the "democratic" conflagration around Russia and China.
          1. apro
            apro 23 October 2020 16: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            They have no other goals than the "democratic" conflagration around Russia

            And this is why? Why is Russia so dangerous? I personally do not see ... Russia has long gone to the West.
            1. Alexander Kopychev
              Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 16: 34 New
              0
              Yes, what are you talking about ... They won't squeeze on the shoulder blades, Russia is on the ground!
              1. apro
                apro 23 October 2020 16: 37 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Kopychev
                in the stalls Russia!

                This expression must be immortalized ... for 30 years everything has been in the stalls ...
                1. Alexander Kopychev
                  Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 16: 41 New
                  0
                  Well, let's go to bed, what's next? They will give everyone a grinder in their hands to cut the remains.
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 24 October 2020 12: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Kopychev
            They have no other goals than the "democratic" conflagration around Russia and China.
            Come on, the goal is clear - Iran. The US needs a base in Armenia to gut Iran.
            1. Alexander Kopychev
              Alexander Kopychev 24 October 2020 12: 46 New
              0
              I forgot about Iran, I am to blame, I completely agree with you.
      2. Machito
        Machito 23 October 2020 16: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: apro
        Quote: A Makarov
        Pashinyan's owners miscalculated when they bet on him.

        Why all of a sudden? The war is going on, and this is a good result ...

        The dog gives, the caravan moves on. A protracted conflict will subside both republics, neighbors - Iran and Turkey will be happy. And before the Victory, both sides, as before China with cancer. They have been fighting for centuries, but there is still no victory, no, and never will be.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 15: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: A Makarov
      Pashinyan's owners miscalculated when they bet on him.

      And why should Pashinyan's owners be unhappy with him? Do you think they care about the Armenians who are beaten at the front?
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 23 October 2020 15: 13 New
    +7
    It does not seem that the Sultan's dream is a head-on collision with Russia! For so that he does not think about himself there - the outcome is quite obvious .. And who the hell will stand up for him, the West seems to be tired of it already. And Karabakh - something has a feeling that Pashinyan is stupidly draining it .. For to give it away just like that - they would be allowed to give it to him, but to drain it as a result of defeat is easy. Moreover, Armenia itself does not officially participate in the war. Then - to blame everything on nasty Russia, and with a calm soul rush to the longed-for West.
    1. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 23 October 2020 16: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: paul3390
      It does not seem that the Sultan's dream is a head-on collision with Russia! For so that he does not think about himself there - the outcome is quite obvious .. And who the hell will stand up for him, the West seems to be tired of it already. And Karabakh - something has a feeling that Pashinyan is stupidly draining it .. For to give it away just like that - they would be allowed to give it to him, but to drain it as a result of defeat is easy. Moreover, Armenia itself does not officially participate in the war. Then - to blame everything on nasty Russia, and with a calm soul rush to the longed-for West.

      Of course, my opinion is that this is what was intended. For Armenia, Karabakh turned out to be a suitcase without a handle (in the medium term), for Azerbaijan it is a matter of principle. Now these countries without the Karabakh problem can move away from Russia. Unless a multi-move occurs and the Azeris break through the corridor to Nakhichevan.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 24 October 2020 12: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Pavlos Melas
        Now these countries without the Karabakh problem can move away from Russia.
        Azerbaijan moved away a long time ago, immediately after the collapse, Armenia - under Pashinyan. Russia has nothing to lose there.
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 24 October 2020 13: 17 New
          0
          Quote: bk0010
          Quote: Pavlos Melas
          Now these countries without the Karabakh problem can move away from Russia.
          Azerbaijan moved away a long time ago, immediately after the collapse, Armenia - under Pashinyan. Russia has nothing to lose there.

          Yes, right, but if you like with this crisis, there was a possibility of influence. The Armenian elite could refer to the Karabakh problem to justify their Russophilia (if there was such a thing). The Azerbaijanis would feel apprehensive about "crushing a loaf" for Russia. Now this status quo has changed. Armenians, if they have not experienced Russophilia before, now they will not be at all. Azerbaijanis will be able to pursue a more pro-Turkish policy than now.
    2. bairat
      bairat 24 October 2020 07: 11 New
      -2
      If we leave the nuclear weapons outside the brackets, then the outcome is not at all obvious. We can no longer deliver troops to Armenia: Georgia does not allow military cargo, the Iranian corridor has recently narrowed and the air defense is under fire. But if we still grapple with the Turks there, NATO will not stand aside, at least they will not have any problems with supplies.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 23 October 2020 15: 13 New
    +1
    Mission feasible if the heads are cooled.
  5. BAI
    BAI 23 October 2020 15: 14 New
    +5
    In general, the mountains, as Afghanistan showed, that in the case of the USSR and the United States, reduce any technical advantage to zero, and the training of infantry units comes to the fore. Better if these are mountain arrows. So the prospects for war are a dark matter. But Azerbaijan has more success now. The most important thing here is who fired the first shot, who initiated the aggravation of the conflict? Who will be accused of aggression?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 15: 16 New
      -7
      Quote: BAI
      Who will be accused of aggression?

      It is obvious to everyone that Azerbaijan started this war, but Azerbaijan is fighting on its land, so it makes no difference.
    2. t-12
      t-12 23 October 2020 15: 32 New
      +1
      The most important thing here is who fired the first shot.

      This is just the best unimportant... Armenians will say that Azerbaijanis were the first to start; those will say that the Armenians were the first to start.
      1. Voentorg
        Voentorg 23 October 2020 15: 36 New
        -8
        It is obvious that Azerbaijan attacked Armenia, their status quo was fine anyway.
        But nobody really cares about it.
        Everyone in the west expects the plums of Karabakh from the Pashinyans.
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 October 2020 15: 47 New
          +6
          Armenia and Karabakh are legally different things.
          Azerbaijan did not touch Armenia
        2. Hello from Baku
          Hello from Baku 23 October 2020 15: 50 New
          +6
          Which Armenia did Azerbaijan attack? Can be more.
    3. max702
      max702 24 October 2020 20: 35 New
      0
      Nonsense ... Mujahideen would have fought for a long time without the support of the USA, China, NATO, and others ... And Vietnam without the USSR would have died like a nice little one in a year or two ...
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 26 October 2020 22: 20 New
      0
      BAI @. But Azerbaijan has more success now. @
      On the plain, mostly. I saw no success in the mountains. And ... well, they took Hadrut. We fiddled with him how many. They rushed to Lachin along the gorge.))) Here medals were already handed out.))) By the way, I'm neither for those nor for the others. But I don't like boasting. The Azerbaijanis are shouting higher))) it remains to take Shusha and Stepanakert Khan.))) It's like the Nenets. The main thing is to take Obdorsk - Moscow will surrender itself.))) At least take the Red Bazaar or some martuni. In fact, the territory of the NKR itself is occupied scanty. The Armenians are still holding the front. The advance group of the Azerbaijani military was thrown away from Lachin. In Karabakh, the mountains and forests are not small. There are probably rains and snowfalls too. (Where will the UAVs be there?)))) In such conditions, the war in the mountains is a battle face to face. Outnumbering does not always determine the winner. Technics. Tanks in the mountains Grenade launchers burn beautifully and with different guns .. The main thing is the will to resist. If the Armenians have it, they will not let Azerbaijan win the war. Especially for the US elections.)))
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 23 October 2020 15: 22 New
    +7
    The impression is that the authors of VO are copying each other's articles about peace in Karabakh ... the same pears, only sideways ..
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 October 2020 15: 25 New
    +1
    Doable. Armenians - hell on a collar, not help from Russia. Let them ask Soros. Azerbaijan, like Turkey, does not have the resources for a long war, the Turks have enough of their own to do. So just crack it, a couple more weeks and both will run out of money
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 15: 57 New
      +1
      That's why Pashinyan tugs at Putin's leg, he knows the bastard that the Russian Federation needs to save face in the CSTO.
  8. Selevc
    Selevc 23 October 2020 15: 29 New
    +2
    Russian President Vladimir Putin made it absolutely clear on whose side the sympathies of our country are,
    And I don't understand why Putn is so unambiguous ... How does he know:
    Or maybe Pashinyan was brought to power to drain Karabakh ??? Then blame Russia for everything - and if Armenia turns its back on Russia, who will it turn to ??? - That's right - to Europe and NATO !!!

    And then what will happen in the Caucasus ??? Georgia is almost a NATO member, offended Armenia asks to join NATO, the winner Azerbaijan is thinking about joining NATO !!! Here it is !!! And the Caucasus will completely turn its back on Russia - and here many Russians write - they say this does not concern us !!! Duc is how you look - now it seems like it does not touch and then touches so that it will not seem a little !!!
    1. apro
      apro 23 October 2020 15: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Selevc
      And the Caucasus will completely turn its back on Russia - and here many Russians write - they say this does not concern us !!! Duc is how you look - now it seems like it does not touch and then touches so that it will not seem a little !!!

      The Caucasus turned its back in 1991 ... and nothing ... anyway to rush to Russia ..
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 23 October 2020 16: 42 New
        +2
        The Caucasus turned its back in 1991 ... and nothing ... anyway to rush to Russia ..
        What does it matter what the crowd does? European politics is not the politics of the crowd, it is the politics of the elites !!! Foreign policy is a very narrow category of people in Europe who use the crowd for their own purposes but always work for the rich !!!

        How do you like the NATO bases in the Caucasus? How do you like the NATO fleet and aviation in the Caspian? Tempting prospect ??? How much will and approval of the Caucasian peoples will there be in these possible decisions ??? - I think that zero without a stick !!!
      2. Toha from KZ
        Toha from KZ 25 October 2020 01: 40 New
        0
        I want to eat, but there is nothing at home and the Poles do not help these "sons". Here comes Russia, a generous soul!
    2. mark2
      mark2 23 October 2020 15: 56 New
      -1
      Well, when it touches, then we will think. In the meantime, let them crawl closer to beat them for sure, otherwise the logistics in Europe will be expensive.
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 23 October 2020 15: 58 New
      +1
      So rejoice. Armenia is in the EU and NATO. Someone will immediately fly to Europe. It is difficult to believe in these fairy tales. Everyone will remain in their places, we are all from the former USSR for Europe, Russians. They do not accept us. For them, Arabs are even nicer than Negroes. Vietnamese with Chinese. I judge England and Norway. They need specialists from us, they have a niche of traders. The Armenians will have to give those lands that belong de jure to Azerbaijan. Aliyev will not cross the border of Armenia, he does not need it, from the word at all. Good students. ended up with the Armenians.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 23 October 2020 16: 47 New
        +1
        Aliyev will not cross the border of Armenia
        And this is what they say - my grandmother said in two ... The war by the time of Azerbaijan's full exit to the border with Armenia could result in such a large-scale massacre that the parties will not just stop there !!!

        And yet - Azerbaijan will most likely have a huge temptation to make a land corridor to Nakhichevan, at the same time taking a part of the Armenian lands on an indefinite lease ...
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 23 October 2020 16: 55 New
          +1
          They can and will change lands. There was hope for the defense of Lachin, but it didn’t come together. If not fake, our soldiers are standing on the border of Armenia with flags. hi
    4. Buka001
      Buka001 23 October 2020 18: 55 New
      +1
      Azerbaijan is pursuing an independent policy and would have joined NATO long ago. We have friendly relations with Russia and this is not a political decision, but a reality. Azerbaijan and Russia are linked by ties of kinship, one might say. There are a lot of mixed families, the economy, etc., this is already a relative, an older brother or mother. It will be very difficult for Azerbaijan to turn away from Russia, one might say the mentality is Russian. Therefore, the pro-Armenian positions of some circles, politicians in Russia, are very deeply felt. People are at a loss. Every anti-Azerbaijani gesture of Russia is perceived very painfully, society discusses it for a very long time, etc. Azerbaijan will never be NATO. In fact, it is an autonomous republic of Russia. And it is difficult to change, the society of Azerbaijan itself chose this path
  9. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 23 October 2020 15: 33 New
    -2
    Oh, Great !!! May all your plans come true in this conflict!
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 23 October 2020 15: 35 New
    0
    : if the desire to achieve peace were not only in the language, but also in the heart and mind, then peace would have already been achieved.
  11. uranium
    uranium 23 October 2020 15: 38 New
    +5
    Pashinyan himself led his country to a dead end, because he could have reached an agreement on a peaceful basis, but thanks to Pashinyan's populism, this mess is going on. De jure, Azerbaijan is right.
    1. FerrariStradale
      FerrariStradale 23 October 2020 16: 30 New
      -6
      Pashinyan has nothing to do with it. Azerbaijan's position has not changed in 25 years - full return of all territories. All these years Armenia has offered to return most of the territories to Azerbaijan in exchange for control over mountainous Karabakh and a small corridor to it. But Azerbaijan wants everything ...
      1. uranium
        uranium 23 October 2020 17: 54 New
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        Pashinyan is here to see prices. spelling saved)
        1. Azerbaijan offered high autonomy in its composition.
        2. Pashinyan's statement "Karabakh is Armenia" and period
        3. Pashinyan's statement that we will not return the land if they can let it be taken by war
        4. Statement of the Minister of Defense of Armenia "New war, new territories"
        5. Your prime minister's wife runs around with a machine gun a month before the war
        6. "Inauguration of the NKR President" in Shusha and Pashinyan's visit there. I will note that before that, not one Armenian president had ever allowed himself such a thing.
        7. Settlement of Lebanese Armenians after the explosion in Beirut in the occupied territories
        8. Trying to sit on two chairs
        9. They conducted a Russophobic policy, namely, the closure or absence of Russian schools, a ban on the broadcasting of Russian channels, etc.
        The list goes on for a long time.
        1. FerrariStradale
          FerrariStradale 23 October 2020 18: 21 New
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          For 25 years, Armenian politicians have said the same thing, Pashinyan has not said anything new.
          Don't tell stories.
          And moreover, there are Russian schools here ... and there are two chairs here ... How can you give Karabakh to Azerbaijan along with the Armenians? Do you even understand the fate of these Armenians? Have you heard about the Baku pogrom of Armenians?
          1. uranium
            uranium 23 October 2020 20: 16 New
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            Quote: FerrariStradale
            For 25 years, Armenian politicians have said the same thing, Pashinyan has not said anything new.

            if it had happened 20 years ago, I would have believed you about your not far away of this conflict, but it all happened in the last 2 years of YouTube and Google to help you.
            Quote: FerrariStradale
            And moreover, there are Russian schools here ... and there are two chairs here

            Russia is the guarantor of Armenia. Thanks to Russia, you were resettled to the South Caucasus from Persia and from the Ottoman Empire, it gave you statehood, but Armenia or its leadership decided to spit in the well from which they drink.
            Quote: FerrariStradale
            How can you give Karabakh to Azerbaijan together with the Armenians?

            De jure, Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan. Why are Armenians better or worse than other nationalities living in Azerbaijan ??
            Quote: FerrariStradale
            Do you even understand the fate of these Armenians? Have you heard about the Baku pogrom of Armenians?

            I don't remember about Baku, but I heard about Sumgait. And for some reason you forget to mention what preceded this, but I will remind you. In 1987, 200 thousand Azerbaijanis were expelled from Armenia. Now, remind in what year were the "pogroms of Armenians"?
          2. Toha from KZ
            Toha from KZ 25 October 2020 01: 45 New
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            How did it happen that the Armenians settled in the Azerbaijani lands?
  12. Voentorg
    Voentorg 23 October 2020 15: 39 New
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    Who will explain to our comrades from Armenia what is hidden under this mythical abbreviation "Air Defense" and that these UAVs are getting lost.
    1. mark2
      mark2 23 October 2020 15: 59 New
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      What for? Let them fight as best they can. Not worse than others and not more stupid. In any case, they think so.
  13. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 15: 39 New
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    Nikol Pashinyan is trying today with all his might to draw Russia into the increasingly hot conflict.

    No matter how he pulls Iran there.
  14. ism_ek
    ism_ek 23 October 2020 15: 43 New
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    Aliyev is not against bringing peacekeepers to Karabakh https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/22/miro/ he is not against the de facto independence of Karabakh. He only wants to return the areas where Azerbaijanis used to live. He does not need to storm the mountains and carry out ethnic cleansing. Most Armenians are also satisfied with this. Even if now they miraculously defend Karabakh, they will never win a long arms race with Azerbaijan.
    Only Pashinyan and his junta need war.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 23 October 2020 15: 52 New
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      Yes? And I think this is a common Turkic trick, in the style of "Vaska listens and eats." Aliyev will talk a lot and in words will demonstrate his readiness to compromise, but in reality the excitement and dizziness from success will not let him stop for now. Actually, why stop while everything is going according to plan?
    2. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 16: 02 New
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      Well, let's say you're right ... Both sides are happy ... And what about the negotiations? You can do without peacekeepers, who still have to be fed and watered.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 23 October 2020 16: 11 New
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        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
        You can do without peacekeepers,

        Those who want to "shoot" will be found on both sides. There is nothing without peacekeepers.
        Quote: Alexander Kopychev
        which still have to be fed and watered.

        One shot down Baybakar is three million USD. - this is a monthly salary of a thousand peacekeepers.
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 16: 18 New
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          I'm afraid it's not just those wishing to shoot here - there are "bloodlines" here. Russia has long learned to reckon with this. They themselves have a sense of justice at times above the law.
  15. Woodman
    Woodman 23 October 2020 15: 47 New
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    We have to admit: a political solution to this crisis

    I would like to clarify how this conflict is called the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan? War, counter-terrorist operation, peace enforcement? Not in words, but officially.
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 23 October 2020 16: 05 New
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      With Pashinyan, it’s exactly the Patriotic - calls everyone under arms. Here's a litmus test for him - we'll see how they respond.
  16. Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 23 October 2020 16: 28 New
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    Don't feel sorry for anyone, the main thing is that the Russian guys do not die for the sake of cunning Asian rulers.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 October 2020 17: 09 New
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      And for the sake of cunning Europeans, then you can?
      1. Trojan_wolf
        Trojan_wolf 23 October 2020 17: 15 New
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        And where did you see in my comment about the Europeans?
  17. bandabas
    bandabas 23 October 2020 17: 17 New
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    How I got this phrase from the lips of the guarantor- "Our partners." Kashchenko is resting.
  18. flicker
    flicker 23 October 2020 17: 58 New
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    We have to admit: a political solution to this crisis will most likely be impossible until both sides of the conflict come to the conclusion that further hostilities are futile, finally getting bogged down in hopeless bloody positional battles, depleting their resources to the maximum and shedding enough blood. Peace in Nagorno-Karabakh will come only when neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis have the strength to fight for it.

    All true.
    And at this very moment, there will be an urgent need for such a party that would ensure this fragile peace, would guarantee it.
    A specific feature of such a party would be trust on the part of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    Without such a side, it will be extremely difficult to maintain peace in this region.
    And this side can be Russia.
  19. high
    high 23 October 2020 19: 40 New
    -2
    Nikol Pashinyan is trying today with all his might to draw Russia into the increasingly hot conflict.

    Turkey will not pull it in, then it will block the passage of ships to the Mediterranean and Russia will lose not only ports in Syria, but also Syria .... what will outweigh?
  20. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 October 2020 22: 42 New
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    Yes, let them kill each other, the main thing for Russia is not to get into this. One under the roof of Turkey, the other decided to go under NATO. We have no interests of our own there.
  21. north 2
    north 2 23 October 2020 22: 45 New
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    for Pashinyan to fulfill his mission, Armenia must lose Nagorno-Karabakh. And she will lose him. The local Armenians will leave their land. They will leave for Armenia. And immediately a terrible hysteria will begin that ... Russia did not save either the Armenians or Armenia, and it is necessary to abandon such an ally as Russia and become allies of the West and NATO. Another pretext, as after the Pashinyan state. coups to tear Armenia away from Russia, there could be no other pretext. Only the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh. Of course, the intelligence of the United States and Turkey thoroughly studied the balance of forces between Azerbaijan and Armenia before the conflict began. And they came to the conclusion that there could not be a better moment. And Pashinyan will bring Americans to Armenia. You will see. By the way, the Armenians are already beginning to be impudently indignant, they say, why do we need such an ally as Russia if it does not protect us. He is standing at the bazaar in Russia with his tomatoes, and he wants Russia to protect his Armenians in NK. So throw the tomatoes, and go straight ahead to NK ... Yeee, no, Pashinyat does not order to do that ... NK must be lost, then all Armenians will become Europeans and fall right into the arms of the United States ... true, like a NATO training ground against Russia.
  22. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 October 2020 22: 13 New
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    What are you talking about, what is the understanding of the futility of hostilities ?! Azerbaijan has very specific goals, it has been preparing for them for a long time - and what was the bucha for, if we are talking about negotiations now? They staked on big money, prepared for a long time - until, apparently, the military fortune is on their side. They will take what they have strength for, then again, the money will be on their side and they will gain a foothold. Some kind of Ladakh, yes, "unpromising military actions" - they shot, hit with rebar and fell apart - and here is a very specific goal and the most direct actions. This is not some kind of gop-batch, this is a war for territory.
  23. Ganja
    Ganja 24 October 2020 23: 40 New
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    In my opinion, Putin has chosen the right strategy, with the help of an Azerbaijani soldier to hammer into the heads of the Armenians that besides them, the world has other national interests. It's time for Armenians to return to the 21st century AD and stop pretending that everyone around them owes them
  24. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 10: 45 New
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    Quote: alta
    Turkey will not pull it in, then it will block the passage of ships to the Mediterranean and Russia will lose not only ports in Syria, but also Syria .... what will outweigh?

    Yah? Even during the Great Patriotic War, Turkey did not block the straits, why now? Or do you think that Erdogan is so stupid that he will send troops to Azerbaijan and they will fight the Russian troops? If you think so, then you are naive. ... The most that Turkey will do is to provide military-technical assistance to Azerbaijan. And if Armenia does not get involved directly in the war with Azerbaijan (although everyone understands perfectly well that it is already waging this war, hiding behind the fictitious "NKR Defense Army"), there will be no gestures from Russia and the CSTO. And even then, they will be if Azerbaijan is the first to start a database against Armenia. If Armenia - then they can forget about the CSTO. But in any case, Turkey will not directly take part in this conflict, and even more so go into a direct clash with Russia and block the Straits.

    Quote: bandabas
    How I got this phrase from the lips of the guarantor- "Our partners." Kashchenko is resting.

    Are you suggesting that the head of state call those with whom they are dealing "enemies" or, even worse, use Lavrov's expressions? There are such concepts as diplomacy and politics. Before the war, our Germans were not called enemies either, observing the polite

    Quote: Voentorg
    Who will explain to our comrades from Armenia what is hidden under this mythical abbreviation "Air Defense" and that these UAVs are getting lost.

    What for? Are they foolish little children? Or has the experience of military conflicts over the past 30 years taught them nothing? If they do not want to learn from the mistakes of others (Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, etc.), then let them take part in theirs, stuffing bumps. Maybe then it will come to them that, as Vladimir Ilyich said, "military science must be studied thoroughly," and not show off ...

    Quote: Toha from KZ
    How did it happen that the Armenians settled in the Azerbaijani lands?

    Read the history of the conflict around Karabakh, from the collapse of the Union to the present day.

    Quote: tralflot1832
    If not fake, our military is standing on the border of Armenia with flags.

    Interesting phrase, Andrey. The second time I hear her. That's just how our military can stand on the border of Armenia with flags, if we have with Armenia NO COMMON BORDER? laughing