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Wave number 2. Regions fail to cope with COVID-19

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Source: themoscowtimes.com


Natural flow


The second wave of COVID-19, which is currently raging in Russia, has raised some questions. It is unclear whether the authorities were able to assess the level of threat during the spring epidemic. In the summer, almost all officials openly declared that the coronavirus had been defeated and that the second wave was hardly worth waiting for. The intensity of restrictions for residents decreased, the country gradually returned to a peaceful course. Nevertheless, the hysteria in the media did not subside, people continued to receive portions of delirium and madness about COVID-19. Inside everyone there was a hope that with the beginning of autumn the terrible pandemic would be forgotten. Like, we are a special country and we follow a special path in almost everything. But the coronavirus returned with renewed vigor in the fall. The number of cases detected daily is approaching 16 thousand.


Source: vedomosti.ru

In this regard, commentators are interesting, convincing people that there is no second wave: they say, this is just an increase in the incidence of the first generation. Excuse me, but what then is called the second wave? Should the rates of newly infected with coronavirus drop to zero, then again reach several thousand? But with such a proliferation of testing systems and seasonal outbreaks of SARS, we will never get away from COVID-19. The virus has firmly entered our life and it is possible to finally stop its spread only ... by canceling testing. That is why what is happening now can only be called the second wave of the coronavirus epidemic in Russia.

The wave was provoked by the massive exit of residents to work, children to school, as well as many months of voluntary (and not so) self-isolation. Lack of sun, permanent stress, physical inactivity and the massive use of antibiotics and antiviral drugs for prophylactic purposes have done their job. To maintain immunity in a combat state, a person must constantly receive portions of viruses from the environment. So to speak, hone your skills on a weak opponent. And when the body isolated itself from harmful microorganisms for several months, and even without observing the requirements for a healthy lifestyle, seasonal infections turned out to be much more dangerous than usual. As a result, we are now seeing a very alarming picture: the traditional wave of SARS has synchronized with the increase in the incidence of COVID-19. And the regions in this stories is the hardest.

Close to collapse


The pandemic of coronavirus infection clearly once again proved to everyone: the one who is poorer is more often sick. Someone who cannot change the nature of work and go to work remotely, who has not received sufficient education to realize the whole danger. In the situation with the regions of Russia, the picture is largely similar. Moscow and partly St. Petersburg were able to prepare for the second wave, but the rest of the country did not have time. And this is not about talented leaders or an effective state apparatus. The whole point is in much greater financial opportunities. It's like in war: God fights on the side of those who have better artillery. To paraphrase Bonaparte: God is on the side of better equipped hospitals. So the regions of Russia, having barely coped with the spring-summer epidemic, stalled in the fall. It was the initial appearance of "patient zero" in Moscow that saved those who were outside the Moscow Ring Road. In this situation, it was easier to track the spread of the coronavirus, since it was coming from the capital. Now the foci of COVID-19 are all over the country, they immediately flared up in the fall. At the same time, an unambiguous signal came from the center to ban total quarantine, which would somehow mitigate the peak of the epidemic.


Source: kommersant.ru

So we have to fight the coronavirus all over the country at its last gasp. For about a few weeks now, health and oversight structures have actually given up on contact tracing. At best, only family members are withdrawn for self-isolation, and colleagues of the sick person at work continue to work. And this, of course, has its own logic: if all contacts are isolated, the whole country will go into spontaneous quarantine. The level of medical scrupulousness, unfortunately, decreases as the beds in single hospitals fill up. In addition to the difficulties with isolating potential carriers of coronavirus infection, testing has become more difficult. People wait 10-15 days for the COVID-19 test, when all the incubation periods have expired. At this point I either got sick or not. Moreover, the number of tests performed will soon reach 58 million! At this rate, in a year we will examine every resident of Russia for the presence of COVID-19. Now imagine, if now people are waiting for weeks for testing with such a gigantic amount of research conducted, what proportion of patients pass by doctors? Even though they carry the disease in a mild form, they are still carriers.

And let's dream a little more. What would happen if several hundred thousand tests for traditional influenza viruses or various ARVIs were done every day around the world? Moreover, they would put all this in a single information system. Every day we would be told about new super-lethal forms of influenza viruses, devoting to similar news whole TV shows.

Of course, many people around the world have become innocent victims and we have yet to realize this in the future, but our consciousness has become the main victim of COVID-19.

Regions ask for help


Let's return to the situation in the regions of Russia, faced with an unprecedented flow of patients with ARVI and similar viruses. In an atmosphere of general hysteria, people demand help even with a slight increase in temperature, unambiguously diagnosing COVID-19 in themselves. All this causes queues at polyclinics, where, as you know, unique conditions for cross-infection have been created. And then people really get sick, and often it is the coronavirus.

Plots from the country's regions show very well what this leads to. In Bashkiria, there is an acute shortage of places in infectious diseases hospitals. People have to lie in the corridors. The deaths of the chairman of the Meluzovsky district court, Venera Galiyev (48 years old) and the former journalist Zili Akhmerova (53 years old), were indicative. Galiev spent several days in the corridor of an overcrowded hospital, after which he was taken to intensive care, where he died. Before her death, Zilya Akhmerova managed to upload a video through her son, where an elderly patient lay on the floor for three hours in a serious condition. Help from doctors came only after thousands of views of the video on social networks. In Bashkiria, now there is a massive lack of doctors and medical personnel: on average, up to 30% of doctors on sick leave due to SARS, flu and COVID-19. Community-acquired pneumonia has become a real scourge, which is recorded in the republic two to three times more often than the notorious coronavirus. It is quite natural that all this caused a shortage of both medicines and medical equipment. In Sterlitamak, a relative of 70-year-old Valentina Mikhailova comments on the current situation:

“The attending physician informed us about the lack of oxygen in the hospital and offered to purchase it on our own in the city pharmacies. She also said that we have to independently purchase and bring some basic drugs that are lacking in the hospital: ascorbic acid, droppers with saline. The doctor also told us that due to the lack of ventilation systems, a triage procedure was introduced in the hospital, and our grandmother will not be among those who will be provided with resuscitation measures using artificial respiration devices.



Source: img2.dp.ru

Let's move from the quite prosperous Bashkiria (the oil region, after all) to the less prosperous regions. The medical system of Buryatia is also extremely tense: there are no medicines in pharmacies, it is possible to take a COVID-19 test, even in paid centers, only by appointment a few days in advance, and in state polyclinics this is generally unlikely. In the Pskov region, infectious diseases hospitals built by the military have already been filled, patients are forced to huddle in the corridors of hospitals.

The huge queues for computed tomography of the lungs have become a real problem for all regions. For example, even 50% lung lesion detected on CT is not an indication for hospitalization in some regions. Such cases were noted in the Krasnoyarsk Territory and the Sverdlovsk Region. The massive shortage of ambulances has also become one of the main problems of Russian medicine. While rich regions (Tyumen Oblast) can afford to buy new cars or even rent them, most others do not have an extra several tens of millions of rubles for this. Therefore, you have to wait for doctors for several hours, or even days.

Winter is ahead. Even taking into account the passage of the peak of incidence in November, the situation may not improve in the following months. People will be forced to spend less time outdoors and more indoors. Heating systems will dry out mucous membranes, thereby destroying local immunity, and a short daylight hours will add stress to the body. In general, our future winter with COVID-19 does not inspire optimism.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 23 October 2020 05: 54
    -2
    In this regard, commentators are interesting, convincing people that there is no second wave: they say, this is just an increase in the incidence of the first generation.
    Everything here is like in a bazaar ... one grandmother said.
    But judging by the occupancy rate of morgues in some regions, the situation is really difficult.
    Someone posted a video from the Barnaul morgue ... it began to fill up rapidly and pathologists do not have time to cope with such an influx of deceased.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 07
      16
      The morgue is filling up because before 90% of the bodies went to burial without autopsy in 1-2 days, and now they lie for a week waiting for a queue or the result of tests. At the same time, the number of deaths does not change.

      Hospitals in a number of regions are not overcrowded, but only "covid" ones. Patients with a diagnosis are sometimes taken to 1-2 hospitals in the region.


      So the main problem is because of the organization, as always.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 10
        11
        At the same time, the number of deaths does not change.

        Are you saying that with a sharp increase in the number of cases, the number of deaths remains unchanged? belay ... that's really nonsense.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 12
          11
          My point is that the morgues are overcrowded due to the dramatically increased average storage time of bodies.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 13
            +2
            morgues are overcrowded due to the dramatically increased average storage time of bodies.

            This is an organizational issue ... it is being resolved.
            Are the morgues ready for an influx of more dead people due to the increase in the number of cases?
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 17
              -1
              We are ready if we solve the "organizational issue"))
            2. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 06: 34
              -12 qualifying.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Are the morgues ready for an influx of more dead people due to the increase in the number of cases?

              How do you want the mortality rate to increase !! For the third post about this you are clicking, all the time stubbornly turning the dialogue on this topic! yes
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 54
                +9
                How do you want the mortality rate to increase !! For the third post about this you are clicking, all the time stubbornly turning the dialogue on this topic!

                Nothing of the kind (do not fantasize) ... I just want to understand whether our structures and organizations are ready for the most negative scenario of a pandemic ... and you here want to make me an extreme in its appearance ... our state often responds with a delay to a sudden change in the situation ... that's all.
                1. Lionnvrsk
                  Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 07: 01
                  -19 qualifying.
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  the development of a pandemic ... and here you want to make me extreme in its appearance ..

                  With all your desire, even if you jump out of ten pants, you will not be able to do it (become responsible for the pandemic).
                  The truncated is gone! Putin is to blame! yes
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 23 October 2020 07: 05
                    -10 qualifying.
                    The truncated is gone! Putin is to blame!

                    smile Nothing was lost and Putin is not to blame for the fact that the dead in Barnaul have accumulated in anticipation of a pathologist ... the local authorities should be fought for such sloppiness.
                    Just how can I tell you what the one who posted such a video (without explaining the real reasons) decided to become a little famous ... on the other hand, it shows the gaps in the defense in the fight against the pandemic.
                    1. Lionnvrsk
                      Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 07: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      the dead in Barnaul have accumulated in anticipation of the pathologist.

                      Ohh, already think productively! And that was the opinion about a sharp increase in mortality.
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      Nothing is lost and Putin is not to blame

                      So the tsar is good, but the boyars are bad? smile
                      1. Same lech
                        Same lech 23 October 2020 07: 17
                        -7
                        So the tsar is good, but the boyars are bad?
                        The Tsar is neither good nor bad, he soars high in the sky and has no time for him to deal with the lives of mere mortals ... but a lot of unpleasant questions have accumulated for the boyars.
                        As for the increase in mortality ... I do not have real intelligence ... one can only guess mathematically how many deaths per thousand patients in a given region, taking into account various errors.
                    2. ancient
                      ancient 23 October 2020 15: 01
                      24
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      Nothing is lost and Putin is not to blame

                      And here ... bAA big question ... don't tell me, but who was the initiator and approver of the famous process ... "optimization in the field of health care and medicine" am ?
                      Not that "he is not Dimon for you" and Mrs .. "Arbidol" themselves .. came and .. came up with this .. "destruction" of almost all medicine in .. "Zamkadie"?
                      Or again (or again) did not know ... or did they not report to him? wassat
                      1. Civil
                        Civil 24 October 2020 11: 07
                        15
                        After years of debacle called "optimization", the results are clear. This is understandable - the government is opposed to society. Nobody wants to protect the people.
                2. ximkim
                  ximkim 23 October 2020 16: 28
                  12
                  I think they are not ready, since Putin is still in the bunker ...
              2. BecmepH
                BecmepH 24 October 2020 12: 13
                12
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Are the morgues ready for an influx of more dead people due to the increase in the number of cases?

                How do you want the mortality rate to increase !! For the third post about this you are clicking, all the time stubbornly turning the dialogue on this topic! yes

                Do you want to close your eyes to the truth?
                My colleague's wife died the day before yesterday from a confirmed coronavirus, and another disease officially became the cause (And they will be buried in a separate area. This is how they fight the virus. This is how the statistics are lowered
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 24 October 2020 12: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  Quote: LIONnvrsk
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Are the morgues ready for an influx of more dead people due to the increase in the number of cases?

                  How do you want the mortality rate to increase !! For the third post about this you are clicking, all the time stubbornly turning the dialogue on this topic! yes

                  Do you want to close your eyes to the truth?
                  My colleague's wife died the day before yesterday from a confirmed coronavirus, and another disease officially became the cause (And they will be buried in a separate area. This is how they fight the virus. This is how the statistics are lowered

                  A couple of questions:
                  How is your vaccine? Already working? (If there is no real effect, why puffed out the cheeks)
                  Why such nonsense? All the same, infections of this level need to be kept under control (at the local level, each therapist is faced with a dozen infected per day)
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 25 October 2020 10: 04
                    +8
                    Quote: Shahno
                    How is your vaccine? Already working? (If there is no real effect, why puffed out the cheeks)

                    Are you talking to me? My vaccine?))
                    The rest I agree with you.
                    Yesterday, in the late afternoon, I learned that another colleague's mother had died from covid, and the diagnosis was different.
                    I will not write about the organization of the funeral, otherwise you will consider it alarmist. I'll just clench my teeth ...
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 25 October 2020 18: 46
                      0
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      Quote: Shahno
                      How is your vaccine? Already working? (If there is no real effect, why puffed out the cheeks)

                      Are you talking to me? My vaccine?))
                      The rest I agree with you.
                      Yesterday, in the late afternoon, I learned that another colleague's mother had died from covid, and the diagnosis was different.
                      I will not write about the organization of the funeral, otherwise you will consider it alarmist. I'll just clench my teeth ...

                      "YOURS" is not personally, but made in Russia. Sorry if offended by what ...
                      1. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 25 October 2020 18: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Shahno
                        "YOURS" is not personally, but made in Russia. Sorry if offended by what ...

                        Not offended. Adult I already take offense. Explain what you dare mean
                        why cheeks puffed out)
                      2. Shahno
                        Shahno 25 October 2020 19: 08
                        +2
                        Because there are objective reasons to believe that the vaccine is dangerous. Dangerous because it has not passed objective tests on real-scale control groups. 10, if you know what I mean.
                        It's at least a placebo
                      3. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 25 October 2020 19: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Shahno
                        Because there are objective reasons to believe that the vaccine is dangerous. Dangerous because it has not passed objective tests on real-scale control groups. 10, if you know what I mean.
                        It's at least a placebo

                        I'm not a doctor ... And the toad presses you))))
                      4. Shahno
                        Shahno 25 October 2020 19: 53
                        +2
                        Doesn't press. I also do not have a basic medical faculty.
                        I draw conclusions from the incoming data. They can also be of a medical nature ...
                        In this regard, I try to be objective.
                    2. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 23: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Shahno
                      Dangerous because it has not passed objective tests on real-scale control groups. 10, if you know what I mean.


                      It is hazardous or non-hazardous regardless of testing. Tests will simply reveal the hazard, if any. And now the tests (just "on real-scale groups") are passing. And they crowed about her for PR, of course.
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 October 2020 09: 19
                +6
                Quote: BecmepH
                that another colleague's mother died of covid, and the diagnosis was different.

                A few questions - how old was the deceased, and what were the associated diseases?
                How do you explain the fact that more than half of patients with pneumonia, according to triple tests, do not have Covid?
                And a little clarification - they don't die directly from covid, they die from complications.
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 26 October 2020 09: 34
                  -2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  do not die directly from covid, they die from complications.

                  caused by covid .. So?
                  If a person fell from a high-rise building and crashed to death, then (according to your logic) the cause of death was not a fall from a height, but (pardon the cynicism) a broken skull?
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 October 2020 12: 12
                  +6
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  caused by covid .. So?

                  Flu can also cause these complications.
                  request
                  So what about the age of the deceased?
                3. Lexus
                  Lexus 27 October 2020 01: 41
                  +5
                  Igor hi,
                  The Ministry of Healthcare has not yet received instructions on which figure to "draw".
                4. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 27 October 2020 10: 59
                  -2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Flu can also cause these complications.

                  You only think that your opinion is correct.
                  Yes, people are not young. 55 and older. BUT!!! I'm talking about the fact that people fell ill with covid, which caused the subsequent death. Just not a word about it.
                  Flu can also cause these complications.
                  It was not the flu that caused these complications. Do you see the difference?
                  I think that you will not catch it, because of your character. All the same, you will bend your line.
                  Therefore, all the best. The dialogue is still not constructive.
              4. aglet
                aglet 27 October 2020 16: 19
                +1
                "Quote: Ingvar 72
                do not die directly from covid, they die from complications.
                caused by covid .. So? "
                no not like this. caused by concomitant diseases, and there are many of them. and this virus, for sure, we all have in the body, and for a long time
                "If a person fell from a high-rise building and crashed to death, then (according to your logic) the cause of death was not a fall from a height, but (forgive the cynicism) a broken skull?"
                absolutely true, and any doctor will write in the conclusion - chmt, incompatible with life
              5. BecmepH
                BecmepH 28 October 2020 09: 45
                0
                Quote: aglet
                "If a person fell from a high-rise building and crashed to death, then (according to your logic) the cause of death was not a fall from a height, but (forgive the cynicism) a broken skull?"
                absolutely true, and any doctor will write in the conclusion - chmt, incompatible with life

                There are concepts such as cause and effect. Reason - fell, split the skull. The consequence is death. So what comes first?
                The same is with covid. Cause-covid, effect-complication and ... Here, as luck would have it (
  2. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 30 October 2020 16: 50
    0
    I don’t know how your statistics are, but the fact remains that there are already acquaintances who have died with a confirmed diagnosis of coronavirus.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 23 October 2020 10: 35
    0
    This is a question of porridge in my head ..))
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 25 October 2020 07: 11
    +3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Are the morgues ready for an influx of more dead people due to the increase in the number of cases?

    there are two vaccines. Quite a long time ago. There are people who have recovered. There are much more of them than officially registered. Where will the covid dead come from? Besides, why keep the sick in the hospital? I will answer for knocking out money. The modern chief physician is a major corrupt official. In our country, by the way, all patients with ARVI who go to the hospital are registered as Covid. I think so everywhere. Here's a splash.
    1. Pankrat25
      Pankrat25 2 November 2020 06: 43
      0
      If in April - May of this year, among friends, acquaintances and colleagues, I practically did not observe patients, if someone was sick, it was easy, then in September - October several were already buried, and all of them had a covid among other things in the diagnosis. Everyone around is ill, massively and seriously.
  • servant.
    servant. 25 October 2020 18: 35
    +1
    not this way. Are medical officials ready to organize work in these conditions ... Apparently not ...
  • ghby
    ghby 23 October 2020 08: 42
    15
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    My point is that the morgues are overcrowded due to the dramatically increased average storage time of bodies.

    I think that not only because of this.
    As always, I judge by my region: Has anyone analyzed the statistics regarding the increase in mortality from the fact that the ambulance did not arrive on time? It's simply unrealistic to wait for an ambulance with us, they are all busy with transportation with suspicion of covid and stand in long queues for CT scan, (judging by publications in social networks - local people post it, and explanations of friends who tried to call an ambulance). How many cores and others could have been saved if the ambulance had arrived at the time, and had not taken everybody in a row to the CT scan and would not have stood in queues there. Objectively, with an increase in the time of arrival of the ambulance, mortality also increases, but I have not seen this statistics. They tell us everything about the danger of COVID. But all diseases are dangerous and most of all dangerous - the help provided at the wrong time. And how many died as a result of the cancellation of planned operations and planned treatment? the same is unknown. Indeed, in the spring and summer, planned treatment was not carried out. So it seems that the greatest harm was caused not by COVID, but by the fact that people did not receive the necessary timely treatment (including an ambulance) for their pathologies and diseases, and of course, in the absence of treatment, it was these people who became victims of COVID. I am not a doctor, but the circumstances indicated by me are visible from the outside, well, I myself faced them this summer.
    1. Nicola
      Nicola 29 October 2020 17: 39
      0
      I agree 100%, Since spring, they stopped treating all diseases, operations were postponed indefinitely. In hospitals, doctors are in panic. The situation is similar in June 1941. And there is enough impudence to offer in the media a new medicine for COVID for 12 thousand. the constitution still prescribes free medical aid.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 23 October 2020 10: 34
    14
    with a sharp increase in the number of cases, the number of deaths remains unchanged?


    The mortality rate in Russia is 14,1 per 1000 people
    With a population of 145 million, we get about 2 million deaths a year ..
    Or 170 thousand a month ..
    Or 5,5 thousand deaths a day ..
    Is always!!
    For all the time, officially in the Russian Federation died from the so-called covid - 25 (about 242 people per day based on 100 months)

    Now let someone show me where there is a sharp increase, and from what overload the morgues should overflow ..

    Maybe it's enough to already listen to all kinds of nonsense from TV about corpses on the streets in Italy and about refrigerators near morgues in America .. Why is the head given to people at all ??

    This "increase" in mortality is at the level of a statistical error of +/- 2%, and cannot in any way affect the occupancy rate of morgues from the word GENERAL ..
    And this is despite the fact that now everyone who is not lazy is included there .. for example, patients with FLU have suddenly disappeared somewhere ..))
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 24 October 2020 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: Roman070280
      This "increase" in mortality is at the level of a statistical error of +/- 2%, and cannot in any way affect the occupancy rate of morgues from the word GENERAL ..

      Or maybe it's enough to write nonsense and fool people's heads !? And what prevents you from going to the Rosstat website yourself in the statistics to dig? For example: "https://rosstat.gov.ru/folder/313/document/98189"
      This is the last summary of Rosstat for July 2020, there is also a link to the archives, where you can raise a bunch of more detailed information.

      In short, in 2019, an average of about 150 thousand people died per month. At the end of 2020, in the spring, until the end of April, we are even in positive territory, at the end of April the change in mortality is 15,8 thousand people. But in May, the returned tourists and rushed! Have you seen the numbers on the tablets? Plus 18375 people. for May, +25521 people June, +29925 people July. This is a plus in mortality for the same month last year!

      What the hell is 2% and the statistical error !? Since May, we have an increase in deaths of + 18-20% every month! And in absolute numbers there is nothing to rejoice at, at the end of July +57,9 thousand people mortality in relation to last year, i.e. 73700 people have died in three months.

      For August, September I haven’t found figures yet. Perhaps again Rosstat is waiting for a new chief, the past was removed for the economy, it did not find growth .. This is possible for demography ..

      However, unfortunately, we all noticed that tourists returned again in October (yeah, the same rake) and today we have three times more infected than in July. There is a bad feeling that since October the losses should be increased by the same three times .. Multiply 29 thousand by three ..: (((

      After that, it remains to be surprised at such commentators ... What are you calling for? Stand comrades in the ranks of the covidiots ?? Be rather the 73701st corpse, in spite of the evil uncles asking you to just put on a mask! ??
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 25 October 2020 07: 49
        +5
        Quote: Saxahorse
        After that, it remains to be surprised at such commentators ... What are you calling for? Stand comrades in the ranks of the covidiots ??

        Why isn't hyperimmune serum widely used for those who have been ill? a few grams of blood serum from a freshly ill person is able to completely cope with the virus in the patient's body in a few hours! Where are our vaccines and mass vaccinations? COVID is politics, first of all, where we fail. I do not argue that there is a disease, but my friend, a pulmonologist, says that he is not free in the choice of means. There are recommendations from above. This is covidiotism. sad
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 25 October 2020 21: 41
          0
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Why isn't hyperimmune serum widely used for those who have been ill?

          Because often the cause of death is precisely the overly violent reaction of the immune system to the destruction caused by the virus. As far as I understand the comments of doctors, this method is quite dangerous and requires very fine tuning, which is impossible with mass use.

          By the way, they write that it is not easy to get this serum, antibodies are formed in sufficient quantities in 15% of those who have recovered, no more. It is not by chance that this infection is able to re-infection, for some reason natural immunity does not always arise.

          The obvious and known since the Middle Ages way of fighting an incurable infection is quarantine. The Chinese have proven that it works, they have not had any deaths since May. But quarantine is just quarantine and not some kind of partial restrictions. The problem would have been closed a long time ago, instead of everyone sitting at home for a month, we will now struggle for a year with considerable losses, by the way. In less than a year, it will not be possible to ensure the mass production of vaccines, and this is provided that they work normally and not like today's flu vaccines, many of which will fade in a couple of months.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 October 2020 15: 02
            +3
            Quote: Saxahorse
            Because often the cause of death is precisely the overly violent reaction of the immune system to the destruction caused by the virus.

            an overly violent reaction of the immune system to an antigen is called an allergy. Any antihistamines will be effective.
            Quote: Saxahorse
            By the way, they write that it is not easy to get this serum, antibodies in sufficient quantities are formed in 15% of those who have recovered, no more

            15% of respondents are sick. if antibodies are not formed, then there is no recovery.
            Quote: Saxahorse
            As far as I understand the comments of doctors, this method is quite dangerous and requires very fine tuning, which is impossible with mass use.

            This is the first remedy in China. People's Daily in Russian to help you. They sent a whole plane of whey to Italy, the Italians disdained. The qualifications of doctors are probably insufficient. Few people worked with blood. My Ph.D. passed precisely because the Ministry of Emergencies became interested in mass blood transfusions. So not everything is as scary as they write in the media. Serum has hyper immunity only in those who have actually been ill in an acute form within 2 weeks after the disease, then the antibody titer drops to the background level, which cannot be determined by tests tuned to the level of the disease. Hence the tale that antibodies disappear.
            1. Saxahorse
              Saxahorse 27 October 2020 00: 06
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              an overly violent reaction of the immune system to an antigen is called an allergy. Any antihistamines will be effective.

              What is Cytokine Storm? Why do they write that drugs for the prevention of cytokine storm are only planning to start producing?

              Quote: aybolyt678
              Serum has hyper immunity only in those who have actually been ill in an acute form within 2 weeks after the illness, then the antibody titer drops to the background

              Do not understand the meaning of the phrase, you say that "hyper immunity" is given only by serum from seriously ill patients? And usually this "hyper" is not? Or did you mean something else?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 27 October 2020 10: 53
                +1
                Quote: Saxahorse
                What is Cytokine Storm? Why do they write that drugs for the prevention of cytokine storm are only planning to start producing?

                inflammatory reaction of the hyperergic type. This is observed in allergies and its varieties of idiosyncrasy. In any inflammation, there is a phase of allergization, when it goes beyond sufficient for the development of inflammation (protective reaction) and develops what is now called a cytokine storm in the media. He is a dark people.
                Quote: Saxahorse
                Didn't understand the meaning of the phrase, you say that "hyper immunity" is given only by serum from seriously ill patients?
                quite right. There is a technology for obtaining hyperimmune sera for animals when first vaccination is done, then an infectious dose of antigen is injected, and finally a lethal dose of a virus or a microbe is injected, so a hyperimmune serum against canine distemper is obtained, and the horse is pricked with antigen. The horse has a small abscess at the injection site of the lethal dose, it is slaughtered, blood for serum, meat for sausage. Temporary hyperimmunity is also present in those who have been ill in an acute form. The titers of antibodies of a person who has recovered can be tens of thousands of times higher than the titers of the immune (vaccinated or recovered in a latent form).
                modern technologies make it possible to obtain antibodies from tissue cultures of immunocompetent cells. Very fast, a lot, and very specific.
      2. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 16: 25
        +1
        "Unfortunately, however, we all noticed that in October tourists returned again (yeah, the same rake) and we have today three times as many infected than in July. There is a bad feeling that since October the losses should be increased by the same three times "
        not infected, but carriers of the virus, which, like the flu virus, is carried by all inhabitants of the earth. and the number of deaths is growing very well, because the vacancy for the post of its leader is always open
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 23 October 2020 15: 57
    -3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Are you saying that with a sharp increase in the number of cases, the number of deaths remains unchanged?

    Everything is like in Belarus. We have that 1000 a day (according to official statistics, and no one believes her), that a hundred a day, we have 4-5 stable deaths smile Learn!
  • basmach
    basmach 23 October 2020 16: 50
    +6
    They don't die of the flu. Death comes from pneumonia. And it can be different - viral, infectious, etc. So I recently read an interesting article. Outbreaks of pneumonia, according to statistics, are observed 3 times per season - September-October, December-January, and March. Moreover, both begin and end spontaneously. So, according to this article, the number of deaths from pneumonia in the first half of 20 practically does not differ from the number for the same period 19.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich S
    Vladimir Vladimirovich S 23 October 2020 22: 08
    0
    Percentage, I mean ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 October 2020 14: 32
    12
    Hospitals in a number of regions are not overcrowded, but only "covid" ones. Patients with a diagnosis are sometimes taken to 1-2 hospitals in the region.

    When you read this, you just wonder. .. A person is so far from medicine that he does not even know what he is carrying negative
    In some regional centers, there are no beds left, so they are taken to nearby central regional hospitals, sometimes 30 km ...
    The massive shortage of ambulances has also become one of the main problems of Russian medicine. If rich regions

    And here I will please both the author and others - there are enough ambulances, there are even more of them than medical workers. A paradoxical situation arises when there are funds for cars and equipment, but there are no doctors. And they won't. This profession is simply amazing. First, you need to study for a long time, as if you are preparing to defend your doctoral degree, then you pay wild money for training, and then you come to work for a salary equivalent to Spar's cashier or McDonald's manager ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2020 14: 41
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      then you pay wild money for training, and then you come to work for a salary equivalent to Spara's cashier or manager
      -and then you go into the ward and announce all at once(as it was with my father) - "My operation costs 15, anesthesiologist 000" ... And what is most surprising belay - people pay ...
      Somehow it quieted down a little with this - and all the 2000s in our field of doctors and teachers of universities were planted almost weekly
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 26 October 2020 16: 40
        0
        Somehow it quieted down a little with this - and all the 2000s in our field of doctors and teachers of universities were planted almost weekly



        Do you think it is normal that teachers and doctors are "jailed weekly" in the country?
        I do not think so.
        Extortion and bribery is a crime and must of course be punished. However, in every business you need not only a stick, but also a carrot. I am sure that if in Russia a teacher and a doctor received 150-200 thousand rubles a month, then something like
        "My operation costs 15, the anesthesiologist 000"

        almost none. Since people are holding on to a good job, they will be afraid of losing it. And getting their 25-30 thousand, these people should give all of themselves to a profession, a complex and unique profession.
        I do not condone the impudence and crimes, but in many ways, this is driven by the strange (to put it mildly) situation on our labor market.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 October 2020 00: 52
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          I am sure that if in Russia a teacher and a doctor received 150-200 thousand rubles a month, then something like
          -and also scientists, engineers, military, well, breadwinners of everything and everyone - peasants and workers ...
          Do you remember how much doctors and teachers they received in the USSR? From 120 to 132 and fuck off ...
          Even the USSR did not pull your generous scope ...

          Well, at the same time, what are we going to do if the marriage in their work and then will give 3 years in prison for half-educated students? 20 for a medical error?
          For such a salary, a mistake should be ruled out, no?
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 27 October 2020 01: 07
            +2
            20 for a medical error?
            For such a salary, a mistake should be ruled out, no?



            For such a salary, yes. Only the admission to these universities should be on a competitive basis and on the basis of actually passed entrance examinations, and not on the basis of the ECE or, even more so, for money.
            If dad pays for him, and his expulsion from the university is practically EXCLUDED. What kind of specialist will it be? And how many of these mistakes will he have?
            ..also scientists, engineers, military men, well, breadwinners of everything and everyone - peasants and workers ...

            In the days of Stalin, scientists and designers, leaders of production and rationalizers were given very decent awards .. They are talents, you should always encourage them. And the fact that a Soviet doctor received 2-3 times less than a 6th grade locksmith is nothing to be proud of. This is just one of those disadvantages of the Khrushchev-Brezhnev Union.
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 October 2020 10: 58
              +2
              Quote: Doccor18
              Only admission to these universities should be on a competitive basis and on the basis of actually passed entrance examinations, and not on the basis of the ECE or, even more so, for money.

              I have always stood and will stand for the exam ..
              2000 year.
              I had to go to college, they forced me to work, I needed a law degree or an economist. I leave the institute after the first session with my bandmates ...
              The son of our cloakroom attendant, unemployed, came to fetch his mother in a Mercedes, new, but cheerful ..
              "- belay belay ??????? !!!!!!!!
              -And you didn’t know ??? !!! The grandmother is a friend of the rector's mother, takes 15 000 for admission ... with a guarantee "

              The stream was about 1000 people, there were branches and many faculties
              An apartment in our city in 2000 cost about 150-200 ... 000 apartments a year, without straining ....
              Porsche and Hammer were in the teaching parking lot inside the institute, the rest were geldings + BMW

              In the XNUMXs, in our city almost weekly, the teaching staff was imprisoned for bribes. Did it help ?? !! yeah, shchaz ...
              And the Unified State Exam came and the mass plantings ended - there was nothing to give at admission
              Even in Soviet times, they could not cope with this, well, you anecdote about "this is a gift !! and the ram is at the institute !!" and heard yourself ..
              1. aglet
                aglet 27 October 2020 16: 45
                0
                "And the Unified State Exam came and the mass plantings were over - there was nothing to give at the entrance"
                the landing is over?
                What do you think, "the sons of cloakroom attendants" do so in the exam? or stobalniki in Russian, from Makhachkala?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 27 October 2020 18: 39
                  0
                  Quote: aglet
                  the landing is over?
                  - now 2-3 teachers for the whole of Saratov a year. In the early 2000s - weekly
                  Quote: aglet
                  or stobalniki in Russian, from Makhachkala?
                  - them significantly less - what the students were in the early 2000s. And little by little they are beaten and planted ...
                  Quote: aglet
                  went quiet with publicity, and so everything remained, only prices have increased by an order of magnitude
                  - if it has grown by an order of magnitude - and this 10 times-so everything is all right with the population with the dough, I'm glad for the population ... well, or you are lying ... your choice ...
                  My son is studying at the institute - at the moment he has not paid for a single exam / coursework ...
                  Books - yes, I bought them .. there is such a form - "Buy my book, get ready for it and you will hand over it." But this does not fall under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
          2. Egg
            Egg 30 October 2020 00: 02
            0
            Quote: your1970
            Do you remember how much doctors and teachers they received in the USSR? From 120 to 132 and fuck off ...

            not your truth, both my father and mother were teachers, they received from 210 rubles to 290 rubles, depending on the hours of lessons, extracurricular work, class leadership, etc. In the USSR, teachers' salaries were very good, some of the highest.
            Quote: your1970
            I am sure that if in Russia a teacher and a doctor received 150-200 thousand rubles a month, there would be almost no such thing. Since people are holding on to a good job, they will be afraid of losing it.

            It is also not true, the example of the police and the traffic police, their salaries were raised and very well, and they are still considered the most corrupt.
            The psychology of people is ... how much you pay will always be small. Even from the union, I noticed, from my experience of working from a master to a deputy. production director, you will close the outfits for more people, at first you are happy, 2-3 months, and then again there is discontent, you want to get even more ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 30 October 2020 14: 34
              0
              Quote: Telur
              from 210 r to 290 r,

              in the 90s - yes or in the North ...
              If this is the rest of the countries, then this could not be in principle. "Cut the sturgeon, otherwise I will put all Ikarus" © anedot
              Under normal conditions, there was a regulatory framework that limited the upper level of salary. For example, my mother, a bacteriologist, head of the SES bacteriological laboratory, received 119 rubles. Nobody else would have paid her.

              if they received so much, there would be no women in schools at all - only muzhiks. And the proverb "If you don't study, you'll go to the pedagogue!" would not have come up with ... and the competition would not have been 0,7 people for a place in pedagogical institutes
              1. Egg
                Egg 2 November 2020 11: 08
                0
                Belgorod, late 70s - early 80s. Father is a teacher of the Russian language and literature of the senior classes, mother is a teacher of history, social studies, drawing, drawing. Mother finally was smart, she graduated from the historical Moscow State University, then the Voronezh Pedagogical University and went to work in school. In 1982 I left for the far north, my parents were still working.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 2 November 2020 23: 22
                  -2
                  If mine could save 12 from 000 zp, then yours should have had at least 119 on the books ...
      2. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 16: 33
        0
        "Somehow it quieted down a little with this - and all 2000s in our field of doctors and teachers of universities were planted almost weekly"
        went quiet with publicity, and so everything remained, only the prices increased by an order of magnitude
    2. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 16: 30
      0
      "This profession is simply amazing. First you need to study for a long time, as if you are preparing to defend your doctoral degree, then you pay wild money for training,"
      but then you can no longer work, from the word at all, to the very pension, periodically absorbing all sorts of sweets from the budget, and crying in public, how hard it is for all of them to work, they are dying in their workplaces, in rows and columns
  • smart ass
    smart ass 24 October 2020 16: 36
    +6
    In my environment there are already many acquaintances who have been infected, this was not the case in the first wave
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 26 October 2020 18: 14
    +2
    Yes, organization: they do it wrong and wrong.
    The WHO recommendations are ignored, the RAS, infectious disease specialists, virologists and other specialists are not asked about the topic, and ROSZDRAVNADZOR and effective officials use prescriptions one more delusional than the other - and they are not able to do anything else, since they are not specialists in anything other than "organizations". And how can you organize something efficiently without knowing how it works, what and how to do it? That's right - nothing.
    Result: beds are overcrowded, outbreaks of ARVI and FLU claim more and more lives, the authorities simply hammered the list of vital drugs (everything was withdrawn to fight SARS-CoV-2) - hello to patients with multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, severe autoimmune diseases, etc. am
    Doctors up to dentists - go there, to fight. Instead of sanitizing rooms and air with tank lamps, maintaining local immunity (alpha-beta-interferon, dibazol, antiviral to the nasopharynx and disinfecting hands (hello from Cuba), RZHBZ suits that create sterile conditions - they do not develop natural immunity, and the absence of normal ventilation and heat transfer puts stress on the heart): removed - and grabbed. The result is 20-30 doctors in Russia who work with COVID-19 and get sick with it, mortality from non-COVID-19 scales, planned operations, incl. in oncology (and what is waiting even for 2 months in oncology, only the one who has encountered it knows - the transition of cancer to the next stage and the likelihood of inoperability or inefficiency, i.e. death) are not done, the economy is lying in the trash
    Masks and gloves, tests - the rise in production, yes: and the stuffing of pockets is unprecedented. Despite the fact that SARS-CoV-2 does not penetrate through healthy skin, and masks are not able to stop the virus, they will not save you from ARVI and FLU.
    Moreover, the number of tests performed will soon reach 58 million! At this rate, in a year we will examine every citizen of Russia for the presence of COVID-19 ... What would happen if several hundred thousand tests for traditional influenza viruses or various ARVIs were done every day around the world?

    And what would happen if ruined disease prevention was simply carried out? If diagnostics were carried out to identify age-related, chronic and other diseases at an early stage? And there would be an adequate approach to each such patient, and not: "Why are you worried?", And then: "Where have you been?" And you, medicine: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ?! And more than once every 5 years, but in a normal way, and not like during a medical examination? I have a father-in-law as a result of medical examination for an ultrasound scan of the kidney. They found it by a miracle, deciding to have an ultrasound scan paid. What would happen if there were entrances for the infectious diseases department of polyclinics / for fever, coughs, etc. would be separate? If therapists, the very 1st link of medicine, would be normal manuals and could understand something right there, having examined the patient visually and probing him? They, while studying on mannequins, do not know anything of this and cannot! They are sent for examination not on suspicion of something, but out of ignorance and at random, and this is a lot of money down the drain!
    In short, they have reformed, and they also tell tales about increasing life expectancy in order to match the indicators of the pension reform. And then twenty years later, suddenly: expectations did not come true recourse Who would have thought !!! fool
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 October 2020 06: 21
    +6
    I have heard about covid for a long time, but did not know people who fell ill with it. Well, from among friends and close acquaintances. More and more like rumors.
    In August, those appeared for me. The kuma's father died (he was sick for a very long time and was not coronavirus), of course, people came to see off their last journey, and then the family started having symptoms of stomach glorification and nasal congestion.
    At first, they sinned for lunch. They say that something had time to "play around", but the usual means in this case did not help. Kum in power structures. In the hospital he was tested and now ...
    Kum, godfather, their mothers. And three children were not hooked!
    But they transferred it easily. Even without hospitalization. Already healthy.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 47
      +4
      Well, that is, did you catch a cold at the funeral and bear it easily? So this is a trend now ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 23 October 2020 06: 51
        18
        In general, our future winter with COVID-19 does not inspire optimism.
        The situation with the emergence of "covid-19" does not inspire optimism at all, the world is changing globally, slipping towards totalitarianism. we have traffic policemen chasing pedestrians without masks, and they are fined! -What is it? Why the heck is there a mask on the street when the wind and snow are falling? mask after 3 minutes is damp. e. not pure water bilism.
        1. ghby
          ghby 23 October 2020 08: 44
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          we have traffic policemen chasing pedestrians without masks, and they are fined! -What is it? Why the heck is there a mask on the street when the wind and snow are falling? mask after 3 minutes is damp. e. not pure water bilism.

          Okay, a mask, but rubber gloves in the cold .... YES, and to the point with gloves, anyway, no one observes the rules for wearing and removing them, and there are no conditions anywhere except hospitals for this.
    2. Evil543
      Evil543 23 October 2020 07: 50
      +7
      After leaving vacation in early June, my wife took a test ... in short, we got sick and when we have no idea request
      1. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 16: 47
        +1
        "After leaving the vacation in early June, my wife took a test ... in short, we got sick and when we have no idea"
        what is the likelihood that the test is correct?
    3. Kostya Lavinyukov
      Kostya Lavinyukov 23 October 2020 08: 45
      +3
      At the father's work, everyone is tested every week, + -3 people are identified every time. (Moscow) Yes, and in our hostel there are already three patients from the new wave.
    4. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 October 2020 12: 11
      +1
      stomach problems and nasal congestion are symptoms ???? now they say that the main symptoms are high fever and insensitivity to odors
      1. your1970
        your1970 26 October 2020 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        now they say that the main symptoms are high fever and insensitivity to odors

        as a person who had been ill in the summer, I can say that the most important symptom is weakness, wild weakness. Well, the temperature is 37,2-37,5 (not higher), lack of smell and taste
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 27 October 2020 07: 27
          0
          while you feel the taste and have a sense of smell, it means you do not have a covid))))
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 28 October 2020 07: 41
          0
          I have a wild weakness but no temperature. the taste is felt
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 October 2020 14: 16
            0
            I will add - I got sick in July, but taste and smell are still periodically disappearing. My wife ate a grapefruit from the film yesterday and did not feel bitterness at all
      2. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 16: 49
        0
        "now they say that the main symptoms are high fever and insensitivity"
        that's exactly what they only say, there are no symptoms of the virus, or their doctors do not voice. but you can invent anything you want
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 28 October 2020 07: 42
          0
          there are no symptoms of the virus, everything is correct until you pass the test and you do not know that the virus
    5. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 16: 37
      0
      "and then the family started having stomach glorification symptoms and nasal congestion."
      well, that is, diarrhea and runny nose are now specific symptoms of the virus?
      "But they transferred it easily. Even without hospitalization. They are already healthy."
      or is it just diarrhea?
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 28 October 2020 07: 42
        0
        as such there are no symptoms of the virus
  • passerby
    passerby 23 October 2020 07: 17
    19
    Yes, it is not just complicated - the complete collapse of the medical system. Our Minister of Health in all seriousness in the media announced a "new form of work of medical institutions" now only the first appointment is carried out by the doctor personally, and the subsequent communication with the patient takes place over the telephone. This is just some kind of nonsense, there are standards for the provision of medical services in which not a word is said about the possibility of providing medical services by phone, i.e. this is a direct violation of licensing requirements for which the license of a medical institution must be canceled, this is a fraud when the MHI fund pays for a hospital medical service as if it was provided within the framework of the standards for the provision of medical services, but in fact it was provided by phone, and if the patient who received medical telephone service will die, then it is a criminal offense. And everyone is silent, as if it is necessary, and the prosecutor's office and Rospotrebnadzor and the federal Ministry of Health. The country has just a complete collapse of the healthcare system.
    1. ghby
      ghby 23 October 2020 08: 47
      +9
      Quote: bystander
      Our Minister of Health in all seriousness in the media announced a "new form of work of medical institutions" now only the first appointment is carried out by the doctor personally, and the subsequent communication with the patient takes place over the telephone.

      LLC, we have a foreign minister (from Moscow), tried to push through the idea of ​​transferring all analyzes to a private laboratory with the closure of local laboratories, while planning two laboratories per region - yeah, that would be a collapse, but the turnover had already been calculated - for yards. But not yet ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 October 2020 15: 23
        10
        Quote: ghby
        But it hasn't passed yet ...

        Don't worry, it will pass .. negative
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 October 2020 06: 05
    20
    Until the familiar people began to get sick and die, many believed in another "conspiracy theory". Now only the slogan "Save yourself - who CAN!" Is relevant.
    That. that the "infection" is creeping from Moscow once again proves the imitation of quarantine measures at the border. "Our" "golden million" would rather die than abandon the "holy places" in Turkey and London. All these "take-offs by air" were simply the height of the absurdity of managerial decisions.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 14
      -7
      And what exactly is happening? In Moscow, no more than 10% of the total number die from "covid" with all the pretense. Heart attacks, strokes and oncology are still more likely.

      Yes, there is a problem, but it is at the level of the problem of heart attacks from overeating at McDonald's or drunken alcoholism. And we perceive these things as completely normal.
      1. Far B
        Far B 23 October 2020 06: 21
        -7
        In Moscow, no more than 10% of the total number of deaths die from "covid"
        Exactly that with a stretch, and specific. From "covid" deaths are generally minuscule - those who suffered from chronic diseases die from exacerbations, which means that they would die in a year or two without any coronavirus. Has the crown sped up the process? Well yes. However, the flu virus can do the same. In short, the topic is definitely overheated.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 23
          0
          And you can still agree to the point that diagnosing "covid" is now stupidly beneficial to finance for everyone, from therapist to the minister.

          Of course, we will not say that, because all doctors and, especially, officials, without exception, are crystal honest people, they do not want to receive additional payments, bonuses, medals, kickbacks ...
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 06: 44
            +4
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            doctors and, especially, officials are crystal honest people, they do not want to receive additional payments, bonuses, medals, kickbacks ...

            According to rumors, in April patients were persuaded for a fee to be diagnosed with covid. Now supposedly really infected people are convinced that they have ARVI.
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 44
              +2
              Well, has anyone canceled the planned-stick system?
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 23 October 2020 07: 57
          +3
          Do not blah blah about 10% of deaths from covid. On average, there are about two people per one thousand sick people throughout Russia, which is 15th in the world by this mortality rate. And the virus will not calm down until it takes root in us forever. But at the same time, up to 70% of the population should be ill with them in any form, including vaccinations. This is a common occurrence in any pandemic.
          1. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 24 October 2020 22: 09
            +2
            Quote: siberalt
            ... On average, for one thousand cases, about two people throughout
            about two people per hundred cases
        3. Ka-52
          Ka-52 23 October 2020 09: 12
          +8
          Far V (Mikhail)

          From "covid" deaths are generally minuscule - those who suffered from chronic diseases die from exacerbations,

          is it generally a sane person writes? Six months ago, such talkers yelled that they say that the covid is not worse than the flu. Ok, according to statistics in 2016. (peak mortality in 10 years) 1035 people died from influenza in the Russian Federation. And from covid only for 8 months. died 25 thousand. man. How many more will these talkers shout about the "harmlessness" of the covid, how many tens of thousands of our citizens should die?
          Let me remind you that in the Russian Federation, about 10-12 thousand people die annually as a result of premeditated murders. That is, 2 times less than from the coronavirus. Well, if for us this is "generally minuscule" (as this "smart guy" writes), then maybe we shouldn't mess with the crime - we will release the criminals, the Criminal Code - into the furnace
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 23 October 2020 12: 15
            -10 qualifying.
            dying not from covid but from complications
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 23 October 2020 12: 33
              +6
              dying not from covid but from complications

              it can also be said that the person died not from nerve poison, but from the refusal of asphyxia caused by lung failure.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 23 October 2020 13: 27
                -6
                other complications can give diseases, therefore, covid is not worse than different flu
            2. Tank hard
              Tank hard 23 October 2020 20: 26
              +2
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              dying not from covid but from complications

              And what is the catalyst for these complications, migraine, or what?
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 06: 54
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      Until the familiar people began to get sick and die, many believed in another "conspiracy theory".

      one does not exclude the other.
    3. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 07: 04
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      That. that the "infection" is creeping from Moscow

      What nasty Muscovites! They even "crawled" into the states and put two hundred and twenty thousand zhmurov there! lol
    4. vadimtt
      vadimtt 23 October 2020 13: 46
      +2
      Golden million does not travel to Turkey, except for work laughing
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 23 October 2020 20: 29
        +1
        Quote: vadimtt
        Golden million does not travel to Turkey, except for work

        Duc kovid notorious in the Russian Federation was brought not from China and Turkey, but from advanced Europe (as they say and write). And Turkey went later, with other compositions, but no covid is present, however. repeat
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 24 October 2020 22: 50
      +2
      It is not the richest of our fellow citizens who fly to Turkey.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 October 2020 06: 05
    11
    "Rescue of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves" (c)
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 October 2020 06: 14
      +5
      "Rescue of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves" (c)
      Hence the question arises: how will we be saved? The question is quite serious and real. If what the government does and recommends does not work, then it is quite possible to add something to the events "on its own". What exactly? Specialists, ayy! And not experts either. It is clear that eating ginger in kilograms and walking in an insulating gas mask is not an option or suggestions, but absurdity and insanity. But still?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 20
        +3
        Specialists, ayy!
        The easiest way to self-isolate during a pandemic before the mass vaccination ... to stock up on food ... to hide in some hole and sit there without sticking out your nose.
        1. Far B
          Far B 23 October 2020 06: 27
          25
          The easiest way to self-isolate during a pandemic before the mass vaccination ... to stock up on food ... to hide in some hole and sit there without sticking out your nose.
          I know such a character! He still loves to address the nation in online mode lately! They say that no one is allowed to see him without a strict two-week observation ... (what a precise word!). But I won't name his name No.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 31
            +3
            To each his own ... a simple hard worker is not available ... you need to get food for life every day.
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 23 October 2020 06: 37
          +4
          As the simplest, it is, of course, the most effective. However, it is practically not only not applicable, but also extremely harmful. Just think about it - in peacetime, hiding in a bunker with HLF, locks, periscopes, etc. The other extreme is to grab your ass in a handful and rush to be tested in a many-kilometer queue trying to prove something to yourself ??? In my case, I admit that I have been ill for a long time (asymptomatic) because I work with clients, and in most cases they are not young people, not poor and rarely go out from abroad during the season. In the first wave, the whole city was especially amazed at the attitude of the local Rospotrebnadzor, who did not want to test visitors on buses and trains (even from abroad). Only the airport was huddled.
        3. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 October 2020 06: 55
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech
          Specialists, ayy!
          The easiest way to self-isolate during a pandemic before the mass vaccination ... to stock up on food ... to hide in some hole and sit there without sticking out your nose.

          preferably before your own funeral. which is actually required.
        4. Alf
          Alf 23 October 2020 15: 25
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          before mass vaccination ...

          And when will it happen?
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 23 October 2020 20: 31
            0
            Quote: Alf
            And when will it happen?

            And the devil knows him. But so far and in
            If rich regions (Tyumen Oblast) can afford to buy

            these places vaccination is not heard or seen. request
            1. Alf
              Alf 23 October 2020 20: 36
              +4
              Quote: Tank Hard
              these places vaccination is not heard or seen.

              And we will not hear. Already now this vaccine is being sent over the hill, so until we provide all the "partners" and do not erase their spitting, there will not be enough time and vaccine for our own people.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 23 October 2020 20: 39
                +2
                Quote: Alf
                Already now this vaccine is being sent over the hill, so until we provide all the "partners" and we will not erase their spitting,

                Yes, I read about the disposal of the US donated ventilators by Russia. This is harsh sarcasm. hi
                1. Alf
                  Alf 23 October 2020 21: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I read about the US disposal of ventilators donated by Russia.

                  It's a shame. Here is not enough, the enemies of the helmet. Eh, the Kremlin people, there is no Aurora on you ...
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 26 October 2020 14: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Alf
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    I read about the US disposal of ventilators donated by Russia.

                    It's a shame. Here is not enough, the enemies of the helmet. Eh, the Kremlin people, there is no Aurora on you ...
                    -don't test-us Strangers no pity
      2. riwas
        riwas 23 October 2020 06: 43
        -4
        RAS advises angiovitis and thrombovazim
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQrXHpKhR2Y&feature=emb_logo
        https://scientificrussia.ru/news/nauchnyj-sovet-ran-lechenie-covid-19-novye-metody-pryamaya-translyatsiya

        Some suggest Sophora Japanese for prevention and additional treatment.
        1. Normalizes blood sugar and blood pressure - a risk factor for coronavirus (but Japanese Sophora is contraindicated for people with low blood pressure, as well as for children under 12 and pregnant women).
        2. Possesses antiviral effect, serves for the immune correction of the body, it is actively used, fighting hepatitis.
        3. It has a good anti-inflammatory effect, inhibits the excessive response of the immune system. Therefore, it is used to deter severe inflammation in oncology and to treat lupus erythematosus.
        4. It dilutes the blood, increases the elasticity of the walls of the capillaries, helps the resorption of blood clots, cholesterol plaques, improves blood circulation to the limbs with gangrene.
        5. Preparations based on Japanese Sophora launch such a powerful regeneration process that they are used in the treatment of pathologies of the organs of the cardiovascular, respiratory, genitourinary systems, organs of the gastrointestinal tract, in particular for the treatment of stomach ulcers.
        https://inflife.ru/sofora-iaponskaia-nastoika-instrykciia-po-primeneniu-i-sposoby-prigotovleniia-v-domashnih-ysloviiah-pobochnye-effekty-i-protivopokazaniia/
        https://polzavred-edi.ru/sofora-japonskaja-lechebnye-svojstva-i-protivopokazanija/
        https://sovets.net/16234-sofora-yaponskaya.html
        https://gepatit.uef.ru/sofora-japonskaja-pri-gepatite-s/
        https://travalt.ru/product/sofora-yaponskaya/
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 23 October 2020 06: 52
          +8
          Quote: riwas
          Some suggest for prevention and additional treatment

          Well, you are just like an absurd Malysheva. Now she is promoting cod liver, oysters and Brazil nuts. Something everyone forgot about lemon, ginger and garlic !! laughing
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 October 2020 07: 01
          +5
          Quote: riwas
          RAS advises

          The Russian Academy of Sciences advises a lot, however, any competent specialist will say with confidence that there is no special vaccine for "covid" and there cannot be, because this is a kind of cold viruses that constantly mutate, and literate schoolchildren are already aware of this. so the vaccine against "covid" is a continuation of the usual vaccines, which are constantly being made without being able to catch up with the mutation. Who needs world hysteria. and we know who has already made millions on fear and "referrals".
      3. shkiper83
        shkiper83 23 October 2020 07: 00
        +8
        I will tell you how we are struggling with covid by my example. Before the next contract, I did a covid test on Wednesday (day 0), on the same day my sense of smell disappeared. Positive The test result came three days later on Saturday evening (+3 days), while waiting for the test result, feeling that symptoms appeared, sat on self-isolation. On Monday (+4 days) I just phoned the clinic, a doctor came and underwent an initial examination, because there was no temperature, I stayed at home on outpatient treatment, prescribed Ingaverin, Gripferon, vitamin C. No one called from the hospital for a week until he cheered me up. On the next week (10 days after the first positive), they took a second test, the second test a day later (+12 days). I did not wait for the result for 10 days and passed an additional paid test myself in a private clinic (+14 days). And as a result, after 10 days, negative results came from the clinic (+20 days), and in the paid clinic (in the same one where I took it for the first time) positive results. That is, the picture turned out like this + - - +, the doctor was surprised, changed the treatment to arbidol, said that their tests were better and wanted to write me out, because the CT scan was clean. But I went to another paid clinic and did a blood test, which showed that I was still infected. (+24 days) I cheered up the doctor again that there was something wrong with the treatment. I bought a new medicine koronovir for 11 thousand, and began to be treated with it (+24 days). The doctor had never heard of this medicine and could not say anything. I got him to take repeated nasal swabs again, (+ 26 days) again wait 10 days for the results. And again he went to donate blood for antibodies (+27 days), because blood gives faster results. Here I sit and wait. In total, more than a month of my "treatment" has passed with an unclear result. From my own experience, I will say that the main reason is the unavailability and inoperability of laboratories. 10 days to do the test result, smear, this is clearly a very long time in a pandemic. In addition to losing my sense of smell for three days and a mild ARVI, I did not have any symptoms for a month. The wife did not get infected, even though we live together. If it were not for my test at the beginning from the employer, then I would not have found out that I was contagious and would have continued the chain. Or if I was discharged, after 2 weeks, as they wanted after negative strange results from the clinic, which were later refuted by two independent sources in different clinics. So it goes. Except you, no one will help you. This is how we fight the crown. Take care of your health.
        1. aglet
          aglet 27 October 2020 16: 59
          -1
          "So we are fighting with the crown"
          here for you, such, this is all calculated, who voluntarily carry their money to everyone who demands it and "madam arbidol" did not remain loser
          "you don't need a knife for a" coronavirus patient ", you will lie to him with three boxes, and do with him what you want"
          1. shkiper83
            shkiper83 28 October 2020 04: 06
            0
            Sooner or later everyone will get sick, I would like to listen to you after your treatment.
      4. Vladimir Vladimirovich S
        Vladimir Vladimirovich S 23 October 2020 22: 32
        -2
        There is an "ancient" recipe: chew honey + garlic and onions - for all ailments ...
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 October 2020 06: 10
    +8
    the main victim of COVID-19 has become our consciousness.
    Which is also, in itself, sad ...
  • YOUR
    YOUR 23 October 2020 06: 15
    13
    As soon as the tough quarantine measures were canceled in the summer, the crowds rushed to rest on the Black Sea. Moreover, the siliviki were actively encouraged and encouraged by the state. In Crimea and on the entire coast of the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, what masks are, distance, to fulfill such instructions as not to gather in large masses of people were not fulfilled at all from the word. The authorities preferred to calculate how many arrived and how much money they raised. As a result, the sore was spread throughout the country. Reaping the benefits.
    Now quarantines are not being introduced again; they expect that with the onset of cold weather, the covid itself will decline.
    For some reason, it's hard to believe, but we'll see, because there is no other way.
    Take care of yourself.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 23 October 2020 06: 48
      0
      Or it can be assumed that there are funds left in the budget that need to be spent.
    2. Alf
      Alf 23 October 2020 15: 28
      +8
      Quote: YOUR
      As soon as the tough quarantine measures were canceled in the summer, the crowds rushed to rest on the Black Sea.

      And now the same has passed. The second wave has gone, and our government has begun to advise traveling, like, the tourist business will be closed. And then, with honest eyes, the authorities are surprised by the zomboyaschik-Why such an increase in diseases?
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 24 October 2020 07: 41
        +2
        The mortality rate has tripled compared to the first wave. Most are diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia and are advised to treat at home. Only the most severe are put in hospitals, and the hospitals are clogged.
        A lot of "good" can be said, for example, about the fact that in the midst of a pandemic, drugs are suddenly introduced into the microchip. As a result, a bunch of drugs have accumulated at the border on which our equipment, haha ​​our Mr. Usmanov, cannot read.
        Go to pharmacies and ask around for drugs for influenza nothing. The situation is just catastrophic.
        1. Alf
          Alf 24 October 2020 14: 24
          +5
          Quote: YOUR
          As a result, a bunch of drugs have accumulated at the border.

          This gives an excellent opportunity for drugstore chains to raise prices.
  • Far B
    Far B 23 October 2020 06: 17
    +4
    hysteria in the media did not abate
    But because in the editorial office from above, orders came down - do not forget the topic of coronavirus, constantly remind about it, both tede and tepe. I am talking about this as a direct participant. So the very officials who
    they openly declared that the coronavirus was defeated and the second wave was hardly worth waiting for
    completely different scenarios were discussed in private.
    They provoked a wave of mass exits of residents to work, children to school
    Yes, that's nifiga. This is a seasonal spike, typical of colds during times when the immune system is weakened. Look at Khabarovsk, where at the peak of the protests there was no outbreak of disease, although there were a lot of people in a very limited area (including without masks and other newfangled personal belongings), and now, according to official data, every day is a record.
    the main victim of COVID-19 was our consciousness
    Common sense became the main victim of the crown.
    our future winter with COVID-19 does not inspire optimism
    Mustache is fine! There is a planned optimization of the Russian population! According to the behests of Thatcher's grandmother - to have 15 million left to service the pipe. But the one watching this process stumbled into a burrow and tries not to show his nose from there. For more than six months he has been playing the badger. Age, however, insanity crept up unnoticed.
    PySy. In the meantime, Belarus, which did not isolate itself even in the first arrival of the coronaduri, does not seem to notice the second wave at all. What's the secret?
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 23 October 2020 09: 27
      +7
      Quietly, now paid cheers-patriots are activated, who will say that this is a super-duper plan of our Supreme Commander
    2. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 23 October 2020 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      PySy. In the meantime, Belarus, which did not isolate itself even in the first arrival of the coronaduri, does not seem to notice the second wave at all. What's the secret?

      In the magical statistics of the Ministry of Health. Especially magical is that there is no coronavirus, and hospitals and maternity hospitals are hastily allocated for it.
      And in the statistics of deaths too. That 1000 per day, that 100 per day, and there are always five deaths. Five a day.
      But according to the statistics sent to the UN for some reason, many thousands more than in previous years.
      Tadam! fellow
    3. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2020 14: 58
      -1
      Quote: Dalny V
      This is a seasonal spike, typical of colds during times when the immune system is weakened.

      Quote: Dalny V
      Look at Khabarovsk, where there was no outbreak at the peak of the protests, although in a very limited area people were jam-packed (including without masks and other newfangled personal belongings),

      so cool !!! or ..... no ??
      Quote: Dalny V
      There is a planned optimization of the Russian population! According to the behests of Thatcher's grandmother - to have 15 million left to service the pipe.

      If there are no outbreaks of the disease, then how can the population be reduced to 15 million?
      your victim
      Quote: Dalny V
      became common sense

      fool fool
  • riwas
    riwas 23 October 2020 06: 25
    11
    In Novosibirsk, medicine is definitely not coping with covid.
    https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/10/22/69512017/
    https://ngs.ru/text/incidents/2020/10/22/69513155/
    There are not enough places in Novosibirsk and patients are transported from the city to the region, for example, 60 km from the city limits in Moshkovo. And there they offer to buy the medicine at their own expense.
    https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/10/21/69510967/
    1. riwas
      riwas 24 October 2020 04: 48
      +2
      And here is more "fresh" information on the state of affairs in Novosibirsk
      The doctor comes to the house on the third day, if you call the registry every day.
      The lack of antibiotics in the city.
      https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/10/23/69512847/
      We have a collapse in medical facilities. Cars stand in line for 5-7 hours to hand over a patient
      .
      https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/10/24/69515503/
      Anticoagulants disappeared in Novosibirsk
      https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/10/23/69513403/
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 October 2020 06: 26
    12
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    And what exactly is happening?

    Familiar faces, fellow countrymen, die from the disease and die cruelly. These are not some abstract "Spaniards". And the cause of suffering is pulmonary pneumonia, not seasonal illness. This has not happened in 100 years! And the author correctly described the problems of the regions following the MC: doctors are "running out", there are no free beds, CT scan has become a deficit instead of ginger, ambulances react selectively. This is all an underestimation of the seriousness of the situation. The authorities limited themselves to "fig bandages." And it was necessary to rebuild all life in the country in February.
    1. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 17: 06
      0
      "And it was necessary to rebuild all life in the country in February."
      but as? and just as we live in the occupied territory - nowhere without a mask, nowhere without a certificate, without a pass anywhere. Soon, to buy a loaf of bread in a week, the authorities will need to be notified in order to go to the store. and, most importantly, all these bandage masks are completely meaningless
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 23 October 2020 06: 31
    +6
    Does anyone keep statistics on deaths from flu, tuberculosis, heart disease, etc.? Everyone is running around with this covid, they have abandoned the reception and treatment of other diseases, from which mortality is sometimes higher than from the advertised covid. Hospitals stopped admitting patients with "traditional" diseases. Quarantine! Again, according to official statistics, the main source of infection is polyclinics, government institutions.
  • shkiper83
    shkiper83 23 October 2020 06: 41
    -2
    Patient zero was definitely not from Moscow, these tests began to be done and identified from the center.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2020 06: 43
    +2
    But with such a proliferation of testing systems and seasonal outbreaks of SARS, we will never get away from COVID-19.
    We can agree with this. As an example: there is no seasonal flu vaccine in Khabarovsk (there is a vaccine for children), they are waiting by the end of the week, and already the end of October. Suppliers allegedly let down, but for some reason it was not annoying, but the thought of sabotage in connection with the events in the city suggests itself. So that there are no questions - I have been living in Khabarovsk since 1980 and this is the first time I come across such a case.
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 23 October 2020 06: 45
    21
    First you will experience all the nonsense that those who have not been ill with covid carry, now I am lying with it, the lung damage is 58% for ten days the temperature is 39.5, but only in the second week they knocked down, the oxygen in the blood does not rise above 92, the state is such that only hair. It's easier to die. You can breathe more or less only after inhalation. The hospital is packed to capacity, infectious diseases department. Those with more than 80% lesions are taken to a covid hospital. There are medications, but the only doctor recommended buying more effective blood thinners, since heparin injections into the abdomen are not very effective. And the doctors are great, though they are not enough and the load is colossal. We have one attending physician on two floors and also sits at the reception. But the nurses are clever, they are running around like they are. So the situation is of course serious and the topic is not overheated at all! Most likely, the country will have to live with covid all the time, but will the people and the system be able to withstand such a load, that's the question !?
    1. nnm
      nnm 23 October 2020 07: 00
      13
      A speedy and complete recovery to you, Alexey!
      1. Alex 1970
        Alex 1970 23 October 2020 07: 06
        +9
        Thank you very much, I did not give up!
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 October 2020 10: 36
          +6
          Quote: Alex 1970
          Thank you very much, I did not give up!

          yes ... in such a grave condition, don't even skip commas .... you are heroes!
          1. Alex 1970
            Alex 1970 23 October 2020 10: 42
            +8
            I studied well, but I wanted to write "I will not give up", but it turned out "I did not give up", inattention is still there laughing
            1. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 23 October 2020 14: 22
              +4
              Sometimes the computer "corrects", perhaps it's not your fault Alexei is in error, I need to constantly monitor what the computer writes.
              Health to you and your family.
              1. Alex 1970
                Alex 1970 23 October 2020 15: 04
                +4
                Thank you very much, I wrote from the phone. Here you can see not good.
    2. shkiper83
      shkiper83 23 October 2020 12: 50
      +7
      Get well soon
      1. Alex 1970
        Alex 1970 23 October 2020 12: 55
        +6
        Necessarily! Thank you.
    3. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 17: 13
      0
      "First you will experience all the nonsense that those who have not been ill with covid carry, now I am lying with him,"
      you, venerable, lie not with covid, but with pneumonia. She was there before, and she was treated in the same way. I was ill myself, I know. but the fact that "The hospital is packed to capacity, infectious diseases department." so they bring patients there from all over the region, the head physician, probably in advance. after all, for each allegedly sick with the virus, a round figure is removed from the budget
      "We have one attending physician on two floors and is still at the reception"
      and before this hysteria, were there more of them? if they were, where did they go? and if not, what does the virus have to do with it?
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 23 October 2020 06: 47
    +7
    There is no second wave ... there is no second wave ... quarantine is CANCELED! The go-ahead was given to small bosses ... they waited! Trouble ... in restaurants you can't eat at night, but the rich can tolerate it. The main thing in the summer dashed off ... ran into the earth ball, the borders are wide open! Zakharova's calls sound like a hiccup. Isn't it the state that announced the touristic outrage ... walk the flaw! Eh ... we should have seen the generation of winners for whom they gave their lives until 45 ... it's a shame! Money rules the world ... an old truth, but now this applies to our country too! BOTTOM business to close ... BOTTOM! And how little can we tolerate ???
    1. nnm
      nnm 23 October 2020 07: 05
      -7
      Quote: Michael55
      The go-ahead was given to small bosses ... they waited!

      What do you have in mind ?
      Quote: Michael55
      Trouble ... you can't eat at night in restaurants

      What kind of restrictive measure are you talking about?
      Eh ... we should have seen the generation of winners for whom they gave their lives until 45 ... it's a shame!

      And this is what?
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 October 2020 15: 32
        +9
        Quote: nnm
        What kind of restrictive measure are you talking about?

        All night bars in the Moscow region were closed. What losses ... are borne by the distributors of "wheels" and "fools" ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2020 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: Michael55
      Trouble ... in restaurants you can't eat at night, but the rich can tolerate it.

      I have a friend (not poor !!!) buried his father in the summer - they couldn't celebrate the funeral - all cafes and restaurants were closed due to quarantine. And even money / connections did not help ...
      1. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 17: 18
        0
        "so we could not celebrate the funeral - all cafes and restaurants were closed due to quarantine"
        a friend's mother died a month ago, no problem. stavropol
        PS None of those who were at the commemoration (about 30 people) were infected, although everyone was without masks
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 October 2020 18: 53
          0
          Quote: aglet
          a month ago, no problem

          That's just in September- when took off he carried out restrictions with us. I went to church (my father was a believer) - the priest said, "Everything is in the hand of God! It is possible in such a situation at any time"
  • Asad
    Asad 23 October 2020 07: 40
    +5
    The spring wave passed by relatives and friends, the autumn wave almost caught everyone! An acquaintance fell ill, a doctor came, prescribed antibiotics without tests and other, nonsense, said that it would hardly be possible to buy! He refused to take the analysis, only after 65 years. I wrote out sick leave for two weeks and left! No medicine was found in Novosibirsk!
    1. Asad
      Asad 23 October 2020 07: 57
      11
      By the way, a letter came to the State Services like, travels are waiting for you Nikolai! Twenty percent discount on hotels and tours! Spread the infection across Mother Russia! Ugh!
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 23 October 2020 07: 53
    +2
    Let me explain;
    1. In the first wave, our governor (Yaroslavl) waited from a neighbor - in Sobyanin, he tried to introduce electronic passes, there was not enough strength. And now there is no need to think. We go with the flow, although in terms of morbidity - no less than March, when there were sharp restrictions.
    2. The ban on the work of restaurants at night.
    3. I mentioned the military generation in the sense that we have pampered ... we are not ready for hardships for the sake of an idea (especially, this very ideology has been canceled by law)
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 23 October 2020 08: 08
    +3
    It seems that against the background of all this, and despite the fact that a vaccine against covid has been developed and launched, there will be no mass, free vaccination. If you want to be saved, go pay, get an injection ..
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 23 October 2020 09: 22
      +9
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      there will be no mass, free vaccination.

      Recently, Putin "estimated" the turnover of the Russian vaccine on the world market at $ 100 billion. We do not have paid gas for the population, all bourgeois for the euro, and you are talking about a free vaccine.
  • passerby
    passerby 23 October 2020 08: 52
    +3
    We, too, came from Yekaterinburg, brought in a new governor. Now I don’t even know how these “innovations” of hers will end and whether we will survive here after such experiments. The situation, of course, is simply monstrous.
    Quote: ghby
    LLC, we have a foreign minister (from Moscow), tried to push through the idea of ​​transferring all analyzes to a private laboratory with the closure of local laboratories, while planning two laboratories per region - yeah, that would be a collapse, but the turnover had already been calculated - for yards. But not yet ...
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 23 October 2020 09: 03
    10
    Well, let's thank those jingoistic patriots who vote for EP, GDP and other joys in our lives. Special thanks. who foaming at the mouth campaigned for the amendment vote.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 23 October 2020 09: 32
    +3
    Whether we like it or not, whether everyone will be vaccinated, or something else, we all now have to live with this virus.
    As with the flu virus.
    Interestingly, there is no other information about the sick in China. The second wave captured all of Europe, Russia, America, not a word about China.
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 October 2020 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      not a word about China.

      Recently on the FIRST channel they said about the PRC. They now have 24 infected people every day. FOR ALL CHINA. In the video they showed they got sick, they BREAD the door to the staircase, they lift food and medicines to the balconies by ropes.
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 October 2020 17: 58
        +2
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        not a word about China.

        Recently on the FIRST channel they said about the PRC. They now have 24 infected people every day. FOR ALL CHINA. In the video they showed they got sick, they BREAD the door to the staircase, they lift food and medicines to the balconies by ropes.

        Listen, you, alternatively gifted, you even watch the first channel in the zomboyaschik at least sometimes, the manual does not always have time to change.
        1. gsev
          gsev 25 October 2020 00: 34
          0
          Quote: Alf
          alternatively gifted,

          The PRC has very strict measures. If in which city about a hundred people fell ill per day, public transport would stop there, people would be released to the store every 3 days. Now the Chinese began to quickly identify foci of infection, find all citizens who visited a dangerous place and isolate them. Automatic thermal imagers detect and identify all citizens with fever. For example, the Covid outbreak in Beijing was extinguished in 2 days. Moreover, those responsible for the large number of those infected during this outbreak (there were about 70 infected people) were also identified and approximately punished.
    2. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 24 October 2020 01: 02
      +2
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      Interestingly, there is no other information about the sick in China. The second wave captured all of Europe, Russia, America, not a word about China.

      There has been no epidemic in China for a long time. A month they suffered in a deaf quarantine and that was all .. Since May, not a single one has died, only the border guards catch the visitors, and they keep vigil inside.

      By the way, China's economy has long been in positive territory. Tolley business we .. We did not sit for weeks in quarantine as it was required to "resume the work of important enterprises", so we take the rap. And more and more infected people and the economy is just in a steep peak already ..
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 23 October 2020 09: 39
    +6
    Why such a stir?
    The same WHO warned about a second wave of the Covid-19 outbreak, back in the summer, when the first wave began to decline.
    Adequate people observed both the mask regime and the self-isolation regime.
    Many have given up on trips to the resort, having spent the summer against the backdrop of nature in the village or in the country.
    But what's the point of the fact that one half of the population followed the recommendations, and the other ignored them?
    So we have a sad result.
    I don’t know the data on China, but there is no data on the next surge from there. But almost all of Western Europe is ringing the bells - and there were found their own anti-heroes who brought the infection from the resorts of Spain.
  • U-58
    U-58 23 October 2020 10: 14
    12
    Just checked out of sick leave. Simulator. The loss of smell and T 37,1 were not grounds. Antibody test - the doctor grunted in bewilderment and muttered something about the simulation ...
    There was a guy in the waiting line behind me who had recovered from the same virus. At T 39, weakness and shortness of breath, he was not admitted to the hospital. I got to my bed by pull.
    They say that 20 ambulance carriages were sent from Perm to Moscow, where they are probably more needed. And the ambulance arrives in Perm in 2-4-5 hours. An ambulance called in the morning (on the 3rd day I got through) - late in the evening - I was lucky, and more often - by the evening of the next day.
    I bought Arbidol for a course of treatment in 4 pharmacies in different parts of the city. In each of them, it was the last package ...
    Rehworma of medicine is triumphant and is marching across the country in victory.
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 October 2020 15: 42
      +6
      Quote: U-58
      Arbidol

      Arbidol with such a disease, it's like a thong from frost. This infection can only be burned out with antibiotics. And, by the way, there is a very "funny" moment - there are no mercury TEMPERATURES anywhere, I ran all over Samara yesterday and scoured all the sites, no, only electronic ones, but they talk like ... on TV.
      1. U-58
        U-58 23 October 2020 18: 50
        +4
        If I am not mistaken, the production and sale of mercury technology is prohibited.
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 October 2020 18: 57
          +9
          Quote: U-58
          If I am not mistaken, the production and sale of mercury technology is prohibited.

          You are right, but partially. Thermometers are not assigned to this category, and even now there is no mercury in thermometers, but the devil knows what, such a substance that you tear your hand off while you drop the readings. Therefore, I am shaking a thermometer like a Jew over a Torah over my Soviet, issue of the 70th year with a quality mark.
      2. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 26 October 2020 19: 10
        0
        Quote: Alf
        This infection can only be burned out with antibiotics.

        Antibiotics against the virus? My applause. laughing
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 October 2020 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: Michael m
          Quote: Alf
          This infection can only be burned out with antibiotics.

          Antibiotics against the virus? My applause. laughing

          Laugh on, you can be treated with aspirin. True, not for long.
          1. aglet
            aglet 27 October 2020 17: 23
            0
            "You can be treated with aspirin. But not for long."
            why not for long? on the contrary for a long time. and the result will be the same as with antibiotics
  • BAI
    BAI 23 October 2020 10: 22
    +2
    1.
    The doctor also told us that due to the lack of ventilation systems, a triage procedure was introduced in the hospital, and our grandmother will not be among those who will be provided with resuscitation measures using artificial respiration devices.

    What is unusual here? When I was sick with cancer, I shoveled a lot of the Internet on this topic. And I found this phrase in the medical instructions:
    "Patients for rehabilitation vibrated as a result of strict selection". That is, after treatment, if you are" promising ", they will restore your health, if not, they will not. And this principle applies to treatment - very often old people are not treated for oncology on the basis that they themselves will die from what - anything else.
    2. The author of Barnaul missed something, where the situation with the corpses in the basement of the city hospital reached Moscow.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 October 2020 10: 43
    -6
    So what's new? IN ANY emergency, panic ruins more people than the emergency itself. And here, globally around the world, it is panic that is pedaling. Continue in the same spirit further - it will be even worse. It's like recently in the Kaluga region, friends began to splash on my ears, the police department they say, crap, we'll all die. I listened, listened, then asked - do you, grandfather, have any specific acquaintances, are you dead from COVID? Shut up immediately.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 23 October 2020 10: 46
    -8
    The mortality rate in Russia is 14,1 per 1000 people
    With a population of 145 million, we get about 2 million deaths a year ..
    Or 170 thousand a month ..
    Or 5,5 thousand deaths a day ..
    Is always!!
    For all the time, officially in the Russian Federation died from the so-called covid - 25 (about 242 people per day based on 100 months)

    Now let someone show me where there is a sharp increase, and from what overload the morgues should overflow ..

    Maybe it's enough to already listen to all kinds of nonsense from TV about corpses on the streets in Italy and about refrigerators near morgues in America .. Why is the head given to people at all ??

    This "increase" in mortality is at the level of a statistical error of +/- 2%, and cannot in any way affect the occupancy rate of morgues from the word GENERAL ..
    And this is despite the fact that now everyone who is not lazy is included there .. for example, patients with FLU have suddenly disappeared somewhere ..))
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 23 October 2020 18: 27
      +5
      Yes, I do not care about Italy and the United States, let everyone there at least take a break, not my problems. These are NATO countries, from which the Russian Federation should not expect anything good even in the 90s, when tens of millions were dying from hunger and lack of medicine in the Russian Federation, they did not care, the Yankees cooked medals for themselves for winning the Cold War. the situation in the Russian Federation, and it leaves much to be desired.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 24 October 2020 23: 15
        -3
        What kind of famine was that in the 90s? I don't like those times, but there was definitely no hunger. As well as there were tens of millions of deaths.
        1. Shadow041
          Shadow041 25 October 2020 22: 23
          0
          If you personally did not starve, this does not mean that others did not starve. Tens of millions have died, look how the population declined
      2. aglet
        aglet 27 October 2020 17: 25
        0
        "I am worried about the situation in the Russian Federation, and it leaves much to be desired."
        here I strongly agree with you. the virus, however, has absolutely nothing to do with it
      3. Varyag71
        Varyag71 28 October 2020 12: 19
        -1
        And then Ostap suffered ...
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 23 October 2020 10: 50
    +9
    The main problem is that officials have their own country, their own medicine, their own laws. Hence all the problems in medicine for the rest ..
  • Million
    Million 23 October 2020 11: 45
    11
    The current government has once again demonstrated its inability to solve problems.
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2020 15: 15
      +1
      Quote: Million
      The current government has once again demonstrated its inability to solve problems.
      -
      article on
      "Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991"
      March 14 2020
      “In his Telegram channel, Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of the coronavirus for the Russian authorities may be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.
      Deripaska notes that the mentality of Russians is such that the overwhelming majority of people are not even going to put on a mask when going to a shopping center or going down the subway. "
      and your comment
      Quote: Million
      I defend myself from coronavirus by portraits of Putin, Tereshkova and Chubais.
      While helping

      for all my dislike for him, Deripaska was right
      1. Million
        Million 26 October 2020 20: 30
        +2
        You would have dug up even earlier comments.
        In our city last month, several very massive events were held, which neither I nor my loved ones attended. As a result: a sharp increase in cases of Covid. Doctors do not cope, sometimes no help is provided. If the government had introduced quarantine on time, it would not it would be what is happening now.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 October 2020 00: 58
          +1
          Quote: Million
          If the authorities had introduced quarantine in time, then there would have been no what is happening now.

          Quote: Million
          You would have dug up even earlier comments.

          open the spring articles - there were such tantrums among the commentators - olya-la !!! If the quarantine had not been lifted in the spring, people would have jumped out of their minds already ...
          The only option is as tough in China ... but you would have with your "I am protecting myself from the coronavirus with portraits of Putin, Tereshkova and Chubais. While it helps," I would not like it, and to be honest, I don't really care
          1. Million
            Million 27 October 2020 07: 52
            0
            In June 1941, even Stalin did not believe that Hitler would attack the USSR
            PS. and quarantine was needed in the spring, but Putin is sorry for the money. As a result, he will lose more
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 October 2020 11: 25
              0
              Quote: Million

              PS. and quarantine was needed in the spring, but Putin is sorry for the money. As a result, he will lose more
              -not it's about money in general, in principle ...
              I'll start from afar
              There was an acquaintance who took part in the events in Czechoslovakia, and one day we got to talking, he was very offended by the Czechs ...
              Two streets - one ours patrolled, the other the Germans. They even shot at our patrol (8-10), stones and a Molotov Cocktail - of course. Well, they shouted all kinds of incomprehensible, mate probably ..
              On a nearby German street, patrol 2 (TWO !!!) people and that's it ... the Germans drew 2 lines with chalk on the pavement and made inscriptions ... EVERYTHING !!! as the grandmother whispered, silence and calm ...
              In the evening, we went to the Germans - it's interesting !! One understood a little and spoke German ..
              The meaning of the conversations - "You come up with the idea of ​​goodness and brotherhood, we are from the position of" Ordnung !! " step and he will be killed. And this works for us, in our zone of responsibility - and they will throw stones at you and do not care ".....

              Why am I - in the spring, a neighbor came to me, who takes a watch from our village to Moscow, with the question: "Well, you've lived in Moscow for 15 years! Tell me where to get to Moscow and back, so that the cops don't burn you ??? passes and so on .. "
              Well, I laughed, of course - I lived in the 90s, during this time Moscow became 2 times larger in area

              And you say - quarantine ...
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 11: 48
    +8
    It is unclear whether the authorities were able to assess the level of threat during the spring epidemic

    This is just understandable. Sobyanin blurted out something like: "But where do you have more places in hospitals then?" Or these numerous statements by officials that keeping the number of hospitals and a staff of medical workers sufficient to treat all patients at the peak of the next epidemic is n-e-r-e-n-t-a-b-e-l-n-o. That's it, basta. It is not cost effective to treat you. Medicine that can help everyone in need is a remnant of the USSR. In a normal capitalist society, this is not profitable. Why, for example, treat the elderly? To continue to pay them their pension? Is this really market-like? Look, China has practically no free medicine at all - and they live somehow, they also have a reputation for communists. Bats are treated and do not complain.
    They just estimated that in order to really fight the virus, they would have to return to the old scale of the country's healthcare system. But is that why they persistently shredded medicine for so many years to the state of today's stump, in order to take it and so simply, under the influence of some kind of virus, return hospitals and doctors to people?
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 October 2020 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      But is this why they have persistently shredded medicine for so many years to the state of today's stump, in order to take and so simply, under the influence of some kind of virus, return hospitals and doctors to people?

      We will survive somehow, and then we will continue to optimize ...
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 16: 46
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        We will survive somehow, and then we will continue to optimize ...

        Some will survive, some will not. I personally knew one person who did not survive. This person was tested for a week and no treatment was prescribed. And when the result came, it was too late. Optimal and affordable medicine
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 October 2020 17: 07
          +2
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Some will survive, some will not. I personally knew one person who did not survive.

          At one time, Chernomyrdin said, “I need 2 million people to maintain my system, I don’t need the rest. Why be surprised?
          1. Shadow041
            Shadow041 23 October 2020 18: 23
            +5
            Do we need Chernomyrdin and company ?! As for me, so not and again not ...
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 23 October 2020 18: 15
    +7
    The point is not only in the lower financial capabilities of provincial cities, but also in the fact that any mentally retarded or pests are appointed to the post of governors. It was reported on TV that in Khabarovsk the local schizoid authorities closed the local maternity hospital under the Kavid hospital, despite the fact that there are empty buildings in the city, which, with the help of army units, if civilians cannot cope, can be quickly converted into Kavid- hospitals and pregnant women who need medical attention. Longer more. Instead of interfering and removing the mentally retarded and saboteurs from power, starting with the governor, they began to flash on TV that it might not be necessary to interfere with local self-government ... First, Moscow already interfered with local self-government when it began to appoint governors ... Secondly, Moscow should be responsible for the incompetence of its appointed persons and promptly correct its mistakes, otherwise why do we need such a president at all ... From Saratov, information comes that there is already a 5-day queue to call an ambulance ... days Karl ?! Russia is slipping to the level of Somalia. Moscow cannot close its borders, it’s necessary to forbid Rublev to drink with prostitutes in New York ... Why should we pay with our health and lives for Rublev's drunks ?! In the hospitals of Voronezh, according to doctors, there are no more places ... The gentlemen have arrived. This power and the ruling party completely discredited themselves and showed their uselessness.
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2020 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: Shadow041
      Moscow cannot close the borders, it’s necessary to ban Rublev from drinking with prostitutes in New York ...

      article on
      "Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991"
      March 14 2020
      "In your Telegram channel Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of the coronavirus for the Russian authorities may be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991. "
  • Gordei
    Gordei 23 October 2020 18: 42
    +6
    I confirm the situation in the regions is serious, but mostly 50 years old and beyond are dying.
    For a month now it is not clear what happened to me, the doctors do not care .. But EVERYONE will have to get sick! Masks, etc. will not save .. But attention to the elderly is first of all, this is important ..
    And be careful with antibiotics, everyone is now prescribed the same thing, and the advertising is terrible on TV, if any of the epidemiologists is watching ..
    I remembered my childhood and the USSR in general .. What was the treatment for influenza there, etc. ?
    The high temperature was wrapped up and acetylic acid + sulfadamezin, and even streptocide was forced to chew .. Well, mustard plasters, jars on the back, rubbed the body with vinegar .. aspirants, honey with hot milk, raspberries, tea with lemon .. And the most terrible torture to breathe over boiled potatoes)))))
    And there were no coronaviruses, and if they were already in the hospital, antibitics were injected under the supervision of doctors, etc. ..To die of a cold, it was something terrible and distant ..
    Do not watch advertisements and listen to doctors only proven ones ..
    Take care of yourself and your families men! Everything is very serious though hi
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 October 2020 16: 20
      0
      Quote: Gordei
      listen to doctors only verified

      The person in front of you unsubscribed - there are not verified ones, but at least some of them have to wait for 5 days (and this is an ambulance!).
      Or such an example: acquaintances in a small town (240 thousand) have 4 therapists (or general practitioners, as they are now) in the whole city. People who do not have doctors on their sites wait weeks to see one of those four. And at the reception they hear: "Why did you come to me, I am not your district police officer." And all further referrals to specialists can be done only through these!
      And you - to the proven ones ... Where to get them then?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 24 October 2020 23: 22
        0
        240 thousand is not a small city, this is a city of the scale of Pskov or Novgorod, there can never be only four therapists
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 01: 15
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          240 thousand is not a small city, this is a city of the scale of Pskov or Novgorod, there can never be only four therapists

          The city itself is 170 thousand + its district + administrative units of the city district, the center of which it is.
          "It can't be like that" - this is the first reaction of a normal person when he is faced with the real state of affairs in our healthcare. Nevertheless, I have to disappoint you.
          The comment of the deputy head of the administration of that city from October of this year on this situation is as follows: "in the new city four out of ten therapists are ill, in the old one out of eleven therapists six people are absent due to illness" [1]. In total, 11 therapists. My communication with local residents took place a little earlier, and they argued that recording is in principle possible even not to 11, but to 4. Perhaps a part is missing not due to illness, but for some other reason. But even if you believe the administration, and not the real consumers of medical services, then even if not 4, but as many as 11. Is this, in your opinion, a sufficient number of specialists data for such a settlement, and even during a pandemic?

          1. Источник: https://v-pravda.ru/2020/10/14/v-poliklinikah-volgodonska-iz-21-terapevta-10-bolejut/
    2. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 17: 47
      0
      "Everything is very serious though"
      in my small town, since March, 5 people have died from the virus, according to Rospotrebnadzor. city ​​plus region 98 thousand. The number of deaths has not increased since June. not everything is as serious as we are told about it
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  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 23 October 2020 20: 02
    -1
    Wave number 2.

    The news has long said that there will be no second wave! Don't you believe ?? lol laughing wassat
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 23 October 2020 20: 43
    +2
    Today I went on business to the city of Lod and at some point ended up in a completely remote place, where I discovered the Temple of St. George! It turned out that this is the very place where the grave of the great martyr George the Victorious is located. I knew I was somewhere, but in more than thirty years I came here for the first time.


    They say that the interior is very beautiful and rich decoration.
    Temple of the 11-12th century. But as a result of the earthquake of 1837, the vault and the northern apse of the temple collapsed. The church has stood in ruins for 33 years. In 1870, after a dispute between the Greeks and Franciscans, the site was recognized as a Greek possession.

    In 1871, Patriarch Kirill II of Jerusalem asked the Russian holders of the Order of St. George to donate for the restoration of the church. At the behest of Emperor Alexander II, 3 thousand rubles were donated from the funds of the Chapter of the Order. With funds allocated by the Russian government and the order, a new church was erected, consecrated on November 3, 1872. In memory of this event, on November 3 (16), the Orthodox Church celebrates the renewal of the Church of the Great Martyr George in Lydda.


    And just looking at the image, I realized that on it George the Victorious was taking a swab from the snake for COVID-19. lol
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 24 October 2020 00: 49
      +3
      At the expense of a smear, - 10 points.
  • Ivan Kolodin
    Ivan Kolodin 23 October 2020 22: 11
    +6
    But, and yet who was behind the optimization of healthcare, whose signatures are there, who back in November 19 said that the reform of the optimization of the healthcare system is going well ... And everything is fine ??????
  • for
    for 24 October 2020 00: 02
    0
    Mural in honor of victory over coronavirus painted in Samara

    Learn students!

    Come and learn from experience.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 October 2020 00: 47
    0
    you can not believe in the coronavirus. you can believe in conspiracy theories (I don’t deny it, very many coincidences "), but the same bullshit all over the world. So it’s serious and for a long time.
  • Carib
    Carib 24 October 2020 18: 46
    +3
    Analyzes for all symptoms are not done on purpose, so as not to spoil the statistics. You cannot call a doctor home, just listen to the answering machine for 5 hours and not a single opportunity that you would be heard. They are not allowed to enter the clinic if they hear about a confirmed Covid, they are advised to call "dead" phones.
    I heard to my friends The ambulance "went" for a week. The feeling that in medicine there is a complete loss of control and anarchy. And this is all in the millionth city of Perm.
    1. gsev
      gsev 25 October 2020 00: 45
      +1
      Quote: Carib
      Tests for all symptoms are not done on purpose,

      Recently I was admitted to the hospital with a sore leg. Blood was taken for the covid and checked for fluorography in the full face and profile of the lungs .. Before discharge or transfer, blood was also taken from all neighbors. Some have an extra smear. That is, triple control by different tests of all incoming. It turned out that a man with a virus was lying with me and who only found out about it after the test was passed. He believes that he was cured with the help of a beaver jet, which he himself bought from a hunter friend.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 October 2020 21: 33
    0
    God forbid to get sick now! St. Petersburg is full of problems, but in the regions it's just awful. My mother, employees with COVID, sent pawns to another hospital, 1 km (for a woman under 80 years old) I was crawling on my knees for the last 100 m.
    Samara region
    And listen to our guidance, so we are again ahead of the rest of the world !!! Writers!
    1. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 17: 55
      0
      "The last 100 meters I was crawling on my knees."
      nonsense, sheer nonsense. buses, taxis, just cars in the area are not found? was she alone in the desert? and your employee talked about it? Or did she walk these 100 meters next to her? or drove?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 October 2020 20: 21
        0
        Quote: aglet
        “The last 100 meters I was crawling on my knees.” Delirium, sheer delirium.

        I thought so too, but how did life turn
        Quote: aglet
        buses, taxis, just cars in the area are not found?

        Have you been to the countryside for a long time? There are cars, especially KOVIDnikov
        Quote: aglet
        was there one in the desert?

        No, not in the desert, the medical staff collected things for her and showed her where to go.
        Quote: aglet
        and your employee talked about it? Or did she walk these 100 meters next to her? or drove?

        Mom told her that it actually changes, let it be 500 meters, 200 or 20 meters or 5. Why is an 80-year-old man with COVID sent on foot to another department?
        There is still a continuation of this story.
        We phoned anyone we could, wherever we did (I called the local prosecutor's office myself and was politely sent there) It is interesting that all the medical authorities of the region do not take a tube at all, but not the point. I still managed to get through, and so the staff apologized, it turns out that the granny translated herself.
        And dear one: don't write about what you don't know, go out of town more often. There is a different life, I guarantee you. Do not watch TV at night ........................... friendly advice hi
        1. aglet
          aglet 28 October 2020 08: 51
          0
          "And dear one: do not write about what you do not know, go out of town more often. There is another life, I guarantee you"
          all his life he lived in Russia and, practically, outside the city. there is no news for me in this life. I haven't watched TV for several years. but your exuberant imagination struck me, as did the naive faith in everything that women tell you. friendly advice - don't believe the rumors, live your mind
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 October 2020 09: 08
            +1
            Quote: aglet
            all his life he lived in Russia and, practically, outside the city. there is no news for me in this life. I haven't watched TV for several years. but your wild fantasy amazed me,

            In order not to be amazed (as you put it by fantasy), be interested in the topic.
            Yesterday in OMSK, an ambulance tried to take two COVID patients to the hospital (a woman of 80 years old, a man of 76 years old), after it failed after 11 hours of searching for free places, they came to the regional health department. They offered to pick up and place the officials.
            Again fantasy and this is OMSK (a city with a million inhabitants, an industrial smithy of Siberia) not some kind of forgotten by God Karabulak
            1. aglet
              aglet 28 October 2020 12: 24
              0
              "Yesterday in OMSK, an ambulance tried to take two COVID patients to the hospital (a woman of 80 years old, a man of 76 years old), after it failed"
              the doctors wanted to promote themselves, they drove around the city for 11 hours, the question is, where did they get the gasoline, the ambulance does not give much gasoline for a day, not for 11 hours of driving. And yes, the patients were accommodated, so there were places, the doctors were taking them to the wrong place? On 28.10.20/190/XNUMX in the Omsk region (not Omsk), XNUMX people became infected. Divide by the number of hospitals in Omsk, and count how many for each. if there are not enough beds somewhere, it means that patients from all over the region are taken there, because for each patient with the virus they pay a lot of money from the budget. it means that the head doctor was in advance to take only to him
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 28 October 2020 13: 23
                0
                Quote: aglet
                the doctors wanted to promote themselves,

                So it is, all and sundry are promoting themselves on COVID
                Quote: aglet
                They drove around the city for 11 hours, the question is, where did they get gasoline, the ambulance does not give much gas for a day, not for 11 hours of driving

                Have you really seen the ambulance line outside the hospital or just nothing to say? They stood at the hospitals in search of a place for the patient, so it will be clear.
                Quote: aglet
                on 28.10.20 in the Omsk region (not Omsk), 190 people became infected. Divide by the number of hospitals in Omsk, and count how many for each. if there are not enough beds somewhere, it means that patients from all over the region are taken there, because for each patient with the virus they pay a lot of money from the budget. it means that the head doctor was in advance to take only to him

                I don't give a damn about who fussed in there, the fact remains! The farther from Moscow, the more catastrophic is the COVID situation. First of all, I want to convey this idea to you!
                1. aglet
                  aglet 28 October 2020 13: 42
                  0
                  "Have you really seen the ambulance line outside the hospital or just nothing to say?"
                  Why, I saw it on TV, and for a long time I no longer believe what I saw on TV. maybe they were at the shift?
                2. aglet
                  aglet 28 October 2020 13: 51
                  0
                  "I don't care who fussed in there, the fact remains! The farther from Moscow, the more catastrophic the situation with COVID. First of all I want to convey this idea to you!"
                  I live just "further from Moscow", we have in the region of 5 (five) deaths from the virus since March, and then, far-fetched, the virus was in the body, but some did not even die of pneumonia. It turns out there are still a lot diseases from which people die, and single deaths, supposedly from a virus, are too isolated, and nothing has been confirmed. since June the figure has not changed, for sure, if you count the numbers, and not everything is as tragic as you are talking about here. don't be hysterical, it doesn't help anyone, not even women
                3. aglet
                  aglet 28 October 2020 14: 03
                  0
                  "I don't give a damn about who fussed in there, the fact remains! The farther from Moscow, the more catastrophic the situation with COVID."
                  while the opposite is noticed - Moscow is a hotbed of all sorts of nasty things, including the virus. here everything is much calmer and simpler. but our leaders, having seen enough of the Sobyanin, are introducing draconian measures that do not help anyone, but allow them to imitate tireless activity. And, by the way, Rospotrebnadzor has the right to either prohibit and oblige to anything without declaring quarantine and emergency situations?
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 28 October 2020 14: 08
                    0
                    Quote: aglet
                    "I don't give a damn about who fussed in there, the fact remains! The farther from Moscow, the more catastrophic the situation with COVID."

                    Probably not exactly expressed. Not the situation itself is catastrophic, but the process of treatment. In the village (I know about what I know) there is one paramedic. He is both a doctor and a pharmacist for you. And the disaster in medicine did not begin yesterday, this optimization process has been going on for 20 years.
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 26 October 2020 02: 48
    -1
    they got this nonsense, a custom-made statue, and medicine has long been killed by the liberals ...
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 October 2020 09: 20
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    Nonsense. Briefly and clearly. I am not a Muscovite either, my company maintains some equipment of regional hospitals. In general, all these tales about overcrowded hospitals, millions of dying, en masse sick doctors are just nonsense. But only.
    Medicine has been "reformed" for almost 30 years, furiously pulling every penny out of it, at the same time delivering tons of equipment to hospitals - you have to make money on purchases! You need this equipment, you don’t need it, there are specialists who are ready to work on it for the salary of a security guard in a small store, they are not there, whether the equipment itself works or not ... This is not interesting to anyone.
    So that's it. With the advent of coronavirus, a little money began to reach the hospitals themselves. And hospitals are desperately trying to pay off at least their debts, until the Ministry of Health again transferred absolutely all funds into their bottomless pockets. And yes, people write panicky reports, multiply the number of "covid patients", not disdaining road accidents, do not pay attention to the panicky cries of "sick" who call an ambulance five times a week for each deep breath, and then tell heartbreaking stories.
    We were suddenly paid a pittance that we hadn't received in 4 years of service. This money is not enough even for the gasoline burned during this time - large sums "above" do not approve. and maintenance is required by law, so we just bailed out the hospitals while we could. Apparently, charity will have to be stopped, there are no more funds, and the payment of debts did not save.
    In general, the usual colds are swollen to the skies, that's all. It is gratifying at least that hospitals sighed a little. Everything else is a lie.
    1. aglet
      aglet 27 October 2020 17: 57
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      "In general, the usual cold ailment is swollen to the skies, that's all. It is gratifying at least that the hospitals sighed a little. Everything else is a lie."
      these are the right words. everything else is invented by those who benefit from it
  • Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 28 October 2020 07: 45
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    This year there is a record number on sick leave, I don’t remember that. In pharmacies, cheap medicines have disappeared completely, especially in state pharmacies. Several times I went to state pharmacies (3 pieces), none of the requested medicines was given to me, not even aspirin and paracetamol !!! This has never happened in my life. Read: https://proufu.ru/news/society/97717-oni_udavyatsya_za_50_kopeek_iz_aptek_propali_lekarstva_ot_covid_19_vlasti_otdali_na_otkup_oligarkham/
    1. agond
      agond 28 October 2020 18: 06
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      Everywhere they demand to put on bandages, and after all, they have no use whatsoever, they cannot stop the virus, by the way, not every cartridge for a gas mask is able to trap viruses, the bandage can only hold dust, and the dust can be infected and this infected dust accumulates very quickly as a result, the level of infection in the dressing begins to exceed the level of infection in the air around the person in a few minutes, and the dressing itself becomes a source of infection