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Large losses of personnel in Karabakh - an uncharacteristic feature of the interstate military conflict of the XXI century

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Servicemen of the army of the unrecognized republic of Artsakh



The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh continues, despite appeals to the authorities of Azerbaijan and Armenia (from different countries) to stop the war and, if possible, resolve the issue through diplomatic means. Military experts note that by now the conflict has boiled down to a situation where certain local military successes are too expensive for each of the parties.

If we are guided by the statistics published by Yerevan and Baku, then these losses are extremely high for the conflict of the XNUMXst century - primarily when it comes to manpower. Despite the fact that unmanned vehicles are actively used in the confrontation zone, this does not lead to a decrease in losses among personnel, and, possibly, vice versa, the losses multiply increases (taking into account the psychological factor of controlling a drone to strike without direct presence on the battlefield) ...

In fact, both the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides are losing the elite of their troops, including the fighters of special units thrown into the battle zone.

For obvious reasons, the parties to the conflict point to a high rate of enemy losses, preferring to keep quiet about their own. But it is quite obvious that everyone is suffering losses, and these losses are really great.

The Armenian Ministry of Defense decided to present a video that shows a rapidly changing series of photographs of Azerbaijani servicemen who did not return from the battle zone. At the same time, it is argued that the losses in manpower in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces reached 10 thousand. The Azerbaijani authorities promised to officially report their losses "after the end of hostilities." Only when they are completed is an open question.



For ethical reasons, Voennoye Obozreniye does not publish this video on its pages, since it shows footage of the dead. For those who want to see the video, it is on the official page of the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan in Facebook.

Experts believe that the long-standing interethnic factor present in the conflict is playing a negative role. It is he, against the background of the complete unwillingness of the parties to make at least some kind of compromise, and leads to the fact that the number of losses in the battle zone is large and is not typical for interstate wars (and in fact there is an interstate war) of modern times - when the command first of all tries save personnel. In the Karabakh confrontation, the stake is clearly not placed on saving personnel, especially if we take into account the personnel with, to put it mildly, negligent equipment of positions by both sides.
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  1. 1976AG
    1976AG 22 October 2020 16: 10 New
    34
    Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy. Therefore, appeals for peace alone cannot stop him.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 22 October 2020 16: 18 New
      19
      Only military force can stop Azerbaijan.
      But so far Armenia has shown its inability to take serious retaliatory actions.
      1. private person
        private person 22 October 2020 17: 11 New
        +4
        But so far Armenia has shown its inability to take serious retaliatory actions

        A little bit more and Armenia will have nothing to fight with, which is not destroyed is simply abandoned during the retreat.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 22 October 2020 19: 48 New
          +3
          But this way of solving the problem of the disputed territory begs the answer - what will prevent, even in the event of Azerbaijan's victory, from striking back at Armenia fifteen years later, having similarly thoroughly prepared?

          This is exactly what happened in the 2nd World War, when after the 1st, France took the "disputed areas" from Germany. Germany was too insulted. And, having prepared, she took her own ... With compensation.
          1. Rubina
            Rubina 22 October 2020 20: 00 New
            -5
            Remind me how the Second World War ended in 1945 and where is Alsace-Lorraine now? Somehow your comment got stuck in 1939
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 22 October 2020 20: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Rubina
              Remind me of how World War II ended

              Yes, in WWII Germany suffered especially.
              But would it have started if in WWI the winners with Germany would have been softer? Hardly. Hitler rose to the top of power precisely on the wave of the crisis.
              And by the way, World War II ended with huge casualties all (except for the USA).
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 22 October 2020 20: 42 New
                +1
                An interesting article came across.
                I fully agree with Colonel Lutsenko.
                https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/279320/
              2. Rubina
                Rubina 22 October 2020 23: 27 New
                -19 qualifying.
                I agree, the Americans just knew how to fight not by numbers, but by skill, like the Azerbaijani army today, taught by the Turks, what is there to hide
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 23 October 2020 02: 33 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Rubina
                  I agree, the Americans just knew how to fight not by number, but by skill,

                  Yeah yeah ... just like Pearl Harbor laughing
                  1. infantryman2020
                    infantryman2020 23 October 2020 08: 03 New
                    0
                    Well, you can't compare with our "overland Pearl Harbor" ....
                    You have to be more comfortable.
                2. Mwg
                  Mwg 23 October 2020 03: 18 New
                  +8
                  The Americans knew how and are able to fight not by number or skill, but by money. They do it best.
                3. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 23 October 2020 04: 12 New
                  +6
                  The Americans fought in numbers, not skill. Not necessarily superiority in manpower, in most cases superiority in technology. For example, in the Ardennes, the Germans, with the superiority of the Americans in manpower and equipment, inflicted a crushing defeat on them.
                  What cannot be taken away from the Americans is their superiority over the enemy in logistics. If in Soviet films the heroes always run out of cartridges and shells, then in American films you will not find this.
                  1. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 23 October 2020 10: 02 New
                    +3
                    The Americans fought in numbers, not skill. Not necessarily superiority in manpower, in most cases superiority in technology.

                    America took care of the soldiers. The soldiers were sent into battle only after a massive bombing or arty.
                    1. smart fellow
                      smart fellow 23 October 2020 18: 47 New
                      0
                      This is what I had in mind.
                  2. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 24 October 2020 09: 33 New
                    +1
                    in the Ardennes, the Germans, with the superiority of the Americans in manpower and equipment, inflicted a crushing defeat on them.

                    You can also say about the Battle of Kursk.
                    1. smart fellow
                      smart fellow 24 October 2020 18: 36 New
                      0
                      Are you talking about the Red Army, but is that a little off topic? Stalin considered American soldiers second class based on the experience of American battles (during World Wars I and II) in Europe, meaning their fighting qualities.
                4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 23 October 2020 17: 00 New
                  0
                  No, the Americans cleverly fought with someone else's hands, they did it so well with their own hi
                5. mikstepanenko
                  mikstepanenko 23 October 2020 21: 47 New
                  -1
                  The skill was especially well manifested in the Ardennes.
                  1. Alex Justice
                    Alex Justice 24 October 2020 09: 31 New
                    +2
                    The skill was especially well manifested in the Ardennes.

                    The Americans have completed the task. The offensive failed.
              3. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 23 October 2020 09: 07 New
                +4
                of the "western" countries, minke whales lost the most 500, which is also not a "modest" loss.
                It’s clear that we are incomparably larger, but it would still be fairer to end your comment, without shades of politics and today's realities, just “for everyone” ..
            2. Rubina
              Rubina 23 October 2020 07: 20 New
              -1
              I wonder why 5 people gave me a minus? World War II ended in 1939? Alsace-Lorraine is now part of Germany?
          2. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 23 October 2020 17: 54 New
            -1
            Shurik70 - compare the power of the economies of Armenians and Azerbaijanis and this question will disappear by itself. True, the Armenians can start a guerrilla war and arrange terrorist attacks, as they have done more than once in the past. But the territory of Karabakh is sparsely forested and there is nowhere to hide, especially from UAVs. So these partisans, if they start, will be quickly destroyed. But the Armenians are still not religious fanatics, like Muslims, and will not launch attacks in the style of kamikaze or martyrs.
      2. Megatron
        Megatron 23 October 2020 03: 21 New
        0
        Are you back for your own? Maybe it's time to stop the Armenian occupation?
    2. Machito
      Machito 22 October 2020 16: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: 1976AG
      Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy. Therefore, appeals for peace alone cannot stop him.

      Azerbaijan could not quickly solve the assigned tasks, the war was a positional war on pre-prepared positions. The centuries-old conflict between the two people motivates them well for a long struggle. All means of warfare have not yet been used, and in the event of an overweight of one of the parties, they will be put into action (strikes against populated areas, gas and oil pipelines, dams, power plants, infrastructure facilities, etc.). The losses on both sides will grow. Who will be the first to falter will show the future.
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 22 October 2020 16: 44 New
        15
        Quote: Bearded
        Who will be the first to falter will show the future.

        In theory, the Armenians have already "faltered". Pashinyan's calls that "Motherland calls" and daily calls to the leaders of states with proposals for negotiations, says something. This has not been noticed in Azerbaijan. They now have a victorious euphoria - forward, and only forward.
        1. major147
          major147 22 October 2020 17: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: Hyperion
          They now have a victorious euphoria - forward, and only forward.

          And the Turks are behind.
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 23 October 2020 03: 19 New
            0
            Yes, even the Seljuks
        2. Lars971a
          Lars971a 22 October 2020 20: 30 New
          0
          What I can, Armenia is fighting against the two states of Azerbaijan and Turkey, there are no trenches 0% of the border with the Russian Federation, i.e. there are no trenches at all. For us, this situation is bad and very bad ............... ...............
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 22 October 2020 21: 58 New
            +2
            Armenia had to accept something like the Israeli military doctrine. Very suitable for Armenian realities: both politically and geographically. Although what is the point in these, but if ...
            https://warspot.ru/484-voennaya-doktrina-izrailya
            1. smart fellow
              smart fellow 23 October 2020 04: 28 New
              +1
              Zhirinovsky spoke well about this on the program "60 minutes". The oil and gas pipelines in Azerbaijan will be bombed, then Moscow (Turkish stream), Washington (shale gas) and London will win. But then the Turkish troops will take a direct part in the conflict in order to end it and start repairing it, while a number of European countries will naturally be interested in this because their interests and capital will suffer.
              The Armenians can threaten with the destruction of the dam, but the Azerbaijanis are threatening in response with the destruction of the nuclear power plant.
              What the Armenians really need is to hang Pashinyan, blame everything on him and negotiate with the Azerbaijanis on the terms that Aliyev proposed.
      2. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 16: 51 New
        37
        Quote: Bearded
        Azerbaijan could not quickly solve the assigned tasks

        Why then. In 3 weeks they gouged the defense that they had been building there for 30 years. Well, or the money for its construction was mastered, it really depends. At the same time, they did not suffer fatal losses, they intercepted most of the attacks on their territory, 2 missiles on Ganja are more likely someone's sloppiness in air defense, for which this someone is most likely already accountable to Allah, than a systemic problem. Don't forget, Azerbaijan is not us. This is for us there for 3 days of work. And their army does not surpass the enemy qualitatively and quantitatively a hundredfold. Therefore, in general, they are fighting well, and in my opinion they will crush the Armenians in a couple of weeks. This despite the fact that I'm not on their side in any way. I can't stand their Turkish friends. But admitting that they are good at it is impossible.
        1. Artura
          Artura 23 October 2020 01: 16 New
          -5
          Where did you get infa ??? That they gouged the whole defense.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 23 October 2020 01: 39 New
            +9
            Quote: Artura
            Where did you get infa ??? That they gouged the whole defense.

            Analysis. Taking into account where the main lines of defense were, and where now, judging by even the most skeptical estimates of the Azerbaijani army, all the defense is already in its rear, which, at least in the Fizuli direction, is no longer in doubt. The north is still holding, but there is no defense in the south. Yes, and Putin said today that the losses of the parties are approximately equal, and there is no reason to lie to him. And when attacking prepared defensive positions, the losses of Azerbaijan should have been 3-4 times higher than that of Armenia. Since everything is equally divided, it means that the defense was calmly picked out from afar. Well, actually looking at dugouts made of tires, trenches in a straight line and knee-deep, equipment standing under blows in the middle of the field, and a completely inoperative air defense system, one should not be surprised. Apparently, instead of preparing for the defense, everyone hoped for us, and that it would resolve itself. It did not dissolve. Yes, and our flags were burned in vain ...
          2. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 23 October 2020 09: 04 New
            +1
            Armenians are now thinking on what conditions to sign their surrender
            1. Artura
              Artura 23 October 2020 10: 13 New
              -4
              It was your clients who told about it)))))?
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 23 October 2020 11: 45 New
                +1
                what clients? Armenians lost the war
                1. Artura
                  Artura 23 October 2020 18: 49 New
                  -1
                  The war is not over yet. And you'd better cook borscht, not chase bullshit on the couch.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 24 October 2020 05: 37 New
                    +2
                    you'd better volunteer to the front
      3. Isim soyad
        Isim soyad 22 October 2020 16: 54 New
        +3
        "There will be no more referendum in Nagorno-Karabakh" - Ilham Aliyev.

        Azerbaijan changed its position on the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh problem. Azerbaijan has officially expressed its disagreement with the holding of any referendum for any status in Karabakh.

        The negotiation process on the Madrid and Kazan formulas has been completely removed from the agenda after the success of the Azerbaijani army in de-occupation of regions in the south of Karabakh.
      4. Romeo
        Romeo 22 October 2020 16: 54 New
        +5
        exactly Azerbaijan is surprisingly fast in solving its problems. What kind of trench warfare are we talking about ?! The speed in the south is surprising. The war is going on at all, but 5 districts have been repulsed. Follow the news. What yardsticks do you measure quickly - not quickly ?!
      5. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 23 October 2020 17: 57 New
        -1
        It would be better for the Armenians to make reasonable concessions, if not too late. But self-confidence and pride will cost them more than one thousand dead. But maybe such a beach will help them realize that they are not the strongest and smartest in the region and in general.
    3. passerby
      passerby 22 October 2020 16: 28 New
      24
      Quote: 1976AG
      Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy. Therefore, appeals for peace alone cannot stop him.

      Why should we stop him at all, even if the Armenians have a headache about this?
    4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 16: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: 1976AG
      calls for peace alone cannot stop him

      The article, then, is not about appeals to peace, but about a mountain of corpses.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 22 October 2020 16: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Quote: 1976AG
        calls for peace alone cannot stop him

        The article, then, is not about appeals to peace, but about a mountain of corpses.

        So if you don't stop it, this mountain will increase many times over.
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 23 October 2020 17: 58 New
          -2
          Alexei 1967AG Why do you feel sorry for the occupiers?
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 22 October 2020 18: 23 New
        -3
        Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Quote: 1976AG
        calls for peace alone cannot stop him

        The article, then, is not about appeals to peace, but about a mountain of corpses.

        And so it happens. This is not about ousting the enemy. The population is being destroyed and the territory is being cleared. For Turks and Amerzians, Israelis, it is a training ground.
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 October 2020 16: 51 New
      +6
      Each prepared in his own way for anything, but not for what happened! What would the Azerbaijanis do without Turkish and Israeli assistance by drones and patrolling ammunition-defended approaches to Baku? Why did the Armenians not recognize Karabakh themselves, and did not take maximum efforts to recognize it by other countries of the world? Then there could have been no war, for there would have been countries in Europe that would openly supply weapons to Karabakh. But, history does not tolerate connotational declination, and as a result, there is a war, a kind of local microworld war, with masses of corpses, with a bunch of battered equipment, with victorious reports from both sides. ...
      1. Jager
        Jager 22 October 2020 17: 49 New
        +1
        And if you look at the conflict through the prism of Donbass - "a conflict that does not exist." Sooner or later, such issues should be resolved in someone's direction ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 22 October 2020 17: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Jager
          And if you look at the conflict through the prism of Donbass - "a conflict that does not exist." Sooner or later, such issues should be resolved in someone's direction ...

          This is yes. But in Donbass, at least there are Minsk agreements, which we are trying to force Kiev to fulfill. And Ukraine is dumb to openly refuse them so as not to lose the support of Europe.
          1. Jager
            Jager 23 October 2020 19: 00 New
            0
            We all know very well what all these "agreements" are worth. An Austrian artist also signed a pact once.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 22 October 2020 17: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Why did the Armenians not recognize Karabakh themselves, and did not make every effort to be recognized by other countries of the world?

        Much has been written about this already. if you are really interested, you can search.
        Quote: Thrifty
        Then there could have been no war, for there would have been countries in Europe that would openly supply weapons to Karabakh.

        IMHO, the war would have started anyway, too much hatred has accumulated between these nations. And you can always supply equipment and weapons with instructors, if you wish. Here I wonder, when will these "friends" really help Armenia? So far, only the usual noise, but also only ... In general, a lot of often uncomfortable questions should be asked to the leadership of Armenia. Like, why ..? But this is a child's question. repeat
    6. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 22 October 2020 17: 41 New
      +6
      Armenian prisoners of war.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 59 New
        +7
        I taught the anthem of the USSR at the Palestinians' checkpoints, and these ... well, what kind of people ... am
        1. Ugakhan
          Ugakhan 23 October 2020 08: 39 New
          -4
          laughing And what would you sing in Auschwitz ... ???
          Like "There is no other world better" ???
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 23 October 2020 08: 45 New
            0
            After making Ugakhan the first girl in the barracks wink he he hi
            1. Ugakhan
              Ugakhan 23 October 2020 10: 00 New
              -4
              Descendants of the front-line soldiers
              from the grain city ..... laughing
              Such "heroes" ....
              On distance...
              heh heh .... laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 23 October 2020 10: 51 New
                +1
                lol
                And how did they get on the Tashkent Front for a hundred Heroes of the Soviet Union? )) Probably they brutally tortured the former policemen from your relatives in the Gulags? negative Scoundrels .. or your ancestors heroically served as logisticians, eh, Vitas? wink
                And about the distance - and you are a hero on the Internet, no? Or in real life, all the same, the ZMS in boxing? belay And not some kind of drunk ...
      2. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 23 October 2020 19: 02 New
        0
        Are these all prisoners since September 27?))) Or are there a couple more people?
    7. major147
      major147 22 October 2020 17: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: 1976AG
      Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy.

      There are two questions:
      a) How far is he willing to go?
      b) What price is he willing to pay?
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 22 October 2020 18: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: major147
        b) What price is he willing to pay?

        IMHO. If Armenia is supplied with weapons, instructors and volunteers, the price can be huge.
        1. major147
          major147 22 October 2020 18: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: major147
          b) What price is he willing to pay?

          IMHO. If Armenia is supplied with weapons, instructors and volunteers, the price can be huge.

          And that's what I mean. What losses are acceptable for them. It may so happen that there will be enough forces only for the liberation of the "buffer zones", but there will be no left in Karabakh. Everything will depend on the perseverance of the defenders and attackers.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 22 October 2020 18: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: major147
            Everything will depend on the perseverance of the defenders and attackers.

            I think that both sides will not lack persistence. But time goes by, and there are no "sponsors" for Armenia .. hi
            1. major147
              major147 22 October 2020 18: 13 New
              +8
              Quote: Tank Hard
              "sponsors" for Armenia are not visible ..

              Some of the top officials of the United States promised to pray for them, but judging by the situation at the front, there was no time for this yet ...
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 22 October 2020 18: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: major147
                Some of the first persons of the United States promised to pray for them

                This is the final serious support, but weapons and military experts would increase prayer significantly, but everyone makes their own choice. wink
                1. major147
                  major147 22 October 2020 18: 19 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  everyone makes their own choice.

                  Yes. With complaints about the West's inattention to the problems of Armenia, this is to Comrade Soros ...
        2. Artura
          Artura 23 October 2020 01: 18 New
          -2
          They are already supplying, and these dead "birds" in flocks are falling to the ground !!!
      2. Lars971a
        Lars971a 22 October 2020 20: 43 New
        +2
        I agree. I will add, even having won a victory now, Azerbaijan needs to prepare for the next war. it is without options ....................
      3. brr1
        brr1 23 October 2020 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: major147
        Quote: 1976AG
        Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy.

        There are two questions:
        a) How far is he willing to go?
        b) What price is he willing to pay?

        It is clear that they equated their soldiers with bio-waste, they do not want to disclose the losses, since society will be in shock.
    8. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2020 20: 42 New
      0
      Quote: 1976AG
      deal with the enemy.

      "To butcher the enemy", "chance", "it took too long to prepare" ...
      Is Azerbaijan a civilized state, does President Aliyev still control the instincts of his subjects? That "hero" who cut off the head of an officer from Armenia in Budapest became famous in battle?
  2. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 22 October 2020 16: 11 New
    13
    Well, 10.000 is pure fake.
    At least the figure was not so round.
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 22 October 2020 16: 23 New
      +6
      In any case, the death toll is in the thousands, on both sides. The Armenians admit that they buried 600-800. Plus missing.
      Another thing is monstrous - the Azerbaijanis do not take their bodies! Now the Armenians had a video clip (they had already been removed for violating the rules regarding naturalism) - a full body of abandoned 200s was collected. It says something
      1. MTN
        MTN 22 October 2020 16: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: Artavazdych
        In any case, the death toll is in the thousands, on both sides. The Armenians admit that they buried 600-800. Plus missing.

        The Armenians recognized 834 dead.
        https://armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/262171/

        Quote: Artavazdych
        It says something

        The Azerbaijani side takes its dead as soon as the opportunity arises. It was the Azerbaijani side that offered the Armenians to take their dead.
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 22 October 2020 16: 48 New
          +4
          The Armenians recognized 834 dead.

          I spoke from the words of the military, he is engaged in funerals, so he was not much mistaken.
          The Azerbaijani side takes its dead as soon as the opportunity arises.

          The Azerbaijani side has the opportunity - the battlefields remain behind them. And the corpses lie and the wild pigs eat them. Show you?
          Your criminal Aliyev, I hope you will understand this soon. The war will soon be over and there will be peace. And a bad peace, as they say, is better than a good war.
          1. MTN
            MTN 22 October 2020 17: 39 New
            -2
            Quote: Artavazdych
            I spoke from the words of the military, he is engaged in funerals, so he was not much mistaken.

            While we were texting here, the Armenian side posted another 40 names and that of the already recognized 870 victims https://armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/262300/ and look at their year of birth. The reservists have gone.
            1. maksbazhin
              maksbazhin 22 October 2020 17: 49 New
              +2
              Do they consider NKR losses as their own or separately?
              1. MTN
                MTN 22 October 2020 17: 58 New
                -1
                Quote: maksbazhin
                Do they consider NKR losses as their own or separately?

                Good question. Along the way, this is a list of those killed for the Armenian side. All surnames are Armenian.
        2. the finish
          the finish 22 October 2020 18: 26 New
          -1
          Watch the video where the wild boars eat the corpses of the abandoned askars.
      2. saigon
        saigon 22 October 2020 16: 33 New
        0
        This speaks of one thing for sure - they loaded and carried and nothing more.
        Who knows how long it took to collect, from what places?
        So it's just a truckload of bodies.
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 22 October 2020 16: 37 New
          0
          This says one thing for sure

          Is it straightforward?
          1. saigon
            saigon 22 October 2020 17: 10 New
            -4
            Yes, it's just a truck with bodies and a question with whose.
            Believe me, the Mameds pulled out their own people even under targeted fire.
            Yes, and once or twice both sides traded cold.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 22 October 2020 17: 15 New
              -3
              Believe me, the Mameds pulled out their own people even under targeted fire.

              The key word is "believe". Probably there were cases. I believe.
              I believe my relatives that they say on the phone
              1. saigon
                saigon 23 October 2020 06: 04 New
                0
                There were namesake cases and I don't think that something has changed at this time,
      3. K-612-O
        K-612-O 22 October 2020 16: 34 New
        +5
        The advancing side in science loses at least 2,5-3 times more defenders, so that 3-4 thousand askers have definitely lost.
        1. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 22 October 2020 16: 39 New
          10
          It’s not science.
          If, other things being equal, then yes.
          And here the introductory ones are different.
          So I don’t think that Azerbaijanis lost 3-4 thousand.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 22 October 2020 16: 40 New
          10
          Quote: K-612-O
          The attacking side in science loses at least 2,5-3 times more defenders

          This is provided that weapons technology is at the same level. And how can we talk about effective defense of the Armenians, if the air supremacy in Azerbaijan, plus Armenia's air defense system, has been significantly knocked out?
          For example, you can exaggerate:
          Do you think that a modern motorized rifle company will suffer 2-3 times more losses than the defending Zulu with bows and spears? What is the use of trenches for the Armenians if they fly there directly from above?
        3. brr1
          brr1 23 October 2020 13: 37 New
          0
          These are outdated postulates of the science you are referring to. The technique and skill of the commanders rule. For example, recall the ratio of losses during the assault on Konigsberg? During a desert storm and many other examples.
      4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 October 2020 17: 39 New
        -1
        The TG channel "Real War" has this video, the footage is really creepy!
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 October 2020 17: 50 New
        +3
        Yes, the Armenians lost 120 people only for a couple of videos from the shock workers, I would rather believe that the Armenian Armed Forces have 10000 killed and wounded than Azerbaijan.
      6. Rubina
        Rubina 22 October 2020 18: 36 New
        +2
        Listen, it's just ridiculous. The Azerbaijani army is advancing, which means that the bodies of the dead remain in its rear, and therefore the Armenians cannot take any pictures. Perhaps, in the first week, there were tactical retreats and could not take it, I do not exclude, such is the war.
      7. Artura
        Artura 23 October 2020 01: 19 New
        -1
        Aliyev does not want his population to learn the truth about those killed, there are a lot of them there.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 October 2020 11: 17 New
          +1
          Why there are a lot of them there - most of the Armenian equipment destroyed the trenches of the dugouts and artillery are constantly attacking with shock drones, all the few fortified areas are fired with artillery - that's why Azerbaijan has big losses?
    2. MTN
      MTN 22 October 2020 16: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: Nasdaq
      Well, 10.000 is pure fake.

      Definitely a fake. This is the figure for domestic consumption.
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 22 October 2020 17: 57 New
        +3
        Yes, okay, as if your society and 30 thousand will stop if it loses. For thirty years, the intensity of the conflict has reached such a degree that even now, if such losses are announced to you, you are unlikely to stop and break down.
        1. MTN
          MTN 22 October 2020 18: 46 New
          -2
          Quote: Pavlos Melas
          For thirty years, the intensity of the conflict has reached such a degree that even now, if you are announced about such losses, you are unlikely to stop and break down.

          Karabakh is our homeland! Of course we won't stop. In 41-45, there were 20 million dead, stopped? No, let's go to the end. For Azerbaijanis, they are worse than the fascists, and to think so, we have a lot of facts.
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 22 October 2020 19: 28 New
            0
            Definitely a fake. This is the figure for domestic consumption.

            I just wrote this to this comment, fake or not fake 10 corpses will not stop the conflict. The only thing is if you lost them in two or three days, then maybe you would stop. Now the result is that there are even 000 thousand acceptable victims for conflict with such a story. If the Armenians approached Baku, I think 10 thousand would not be an obstacle for them either.
          2. Artura
            Artura 23 October 2020 01: 21 New
            -1
            And you yourself are sitting on the couch and being clever, poorly on the front line ???))
          3. saigon
            saigon 23 October 2020 06: 31 New
            +2
            Well, you are worse for them than the Nazis.
            And both sides put a lot of strength for such an attitude towards each other, multiply everything by the passion for creating legends about the atrocities of the foe and you will get enmity until the end of the century without a light on the world.
            By taking Karabakh you will not win the war, you will simply create before the next military solution of the issue.
            It just doesn't reach you that by creating the image of the beast from the enemy, depriving him of his human appearance, comparing with the Nazis, you cut off any possibilities of the world. It's easier, easier at the moment, and then what?
            How then to conduct a dialogue with the animals, how or who does not think about it?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2020 06: 49 New
              -2
              Quote: saigon
              It just doesn't reach you that by creating the image of the beast from the enemy, depriving him of his human appearance, comparing with the fascists you cut off any possibilities of the world ... It's easier, easier at the moment, and then what?
              How then to conduct a dialogue with the animals, how or who does not think about it?

              they have good teachers.
      2. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 22 October 2020 20: 50 New
        0
        10 thousand are killed and wounded and missing, in general - out of action
  3. Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 25 New
    -4
    Quote: 1976AG
    Azerbaijan has been preparing for too long to miss the chance to deal with the enemy. Therefore, appeals for peace alone cannot stop him.

    It's not about the strength of the Azerbaijani army, it's just that Pashinyan is dumping Karabakh for NATO.
    1. passerby
      passerby 22 October 2020 16: 29 New
      11
      Quote: Voentorg
      It's not about the strength of the Azerbaijani army, it's just that Pashinyan is dumping Karabakh for NATO.

      Nonsense. Even having lost Karabakh, the Armenians will not give it up, and there should be no territorial disputes to join NATO. And why NATO Armenia, then to protect it from Turkey, another NATO member?
      1. Voentorg
        Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 34 New
        +3
        So if Armenia loses Karabakh, Terr. there will be no disputes, only pritenzii will remain (like the Balts to Russia).
        Then you can join NATO.
        1. passerby
          passerby 22 October 2020 16: 36 New
          +8
          Quote: Voentorg
          So if Armenia loses Karabakh, Terr. there will be no disputes, only pritenzii will remain (like the Balts to Russia).
          Then you can join NATO.

          They will have to officially refuse from Karabakh by signing a relevant document with Azerbaijan on the border, I do not think that the Armenians will agree to this.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 20: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: bystander
            They will have to officially refuse from Karabakh by signing a corresponding document

            And officially they already, in fact, long ago abandoned it. Today they do not recognize him as either their own or free. You don't even need to sign anything. It will just de jure become de facto
      2. Nasdaq
        Nasdaq 22 October 2020 16: 45 New
        0
        Turkey is not a very good ally for NATO.
        1991 Desert Storm - Nifiga Didn't Help
        2003 invasion - nifig didn't help
        2011-2012 Obama Iran thrombosed, Turks scored on sanctions. The United States has no approaches to the Iranians from the north. Not yet.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Nasdaq
          1991 Desert Storm - Nifiga Didn't Help

          During Operation Desert Storm, American bombers flew from Incirlik to Kuwait. After the war, planes with humanitarian aid flew from there to Kurdistan. In late 1996, the Americans evacuated thousands of Kurds from northern Iraq.
          Since January 1, 1997, the airbase has been used by forces patrolling Iraqi airspace north of the 36th parallel, in accordance with UN Resolution 688. For this purpose, the 39th Air Wing was stationed at the base.
          After the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001, the United States launched Operation Enduring Freedom. Incirlik airbase was used for the transfer and supply of coalition troops in Afghanistan, refueling and special operations. During this period, the airfield's cargo turnover increased sixfold. Base usage dropped after equipping bases in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan.
          In August 2003, the first KC-135s with personnel involved in the Iraqi war arrived in Incirlik. Later, the Allied forces in post-war Iraq were supplied from there. On January 6, 2004, 300 American soldiers - the first of several thousand - were sent home via Incirlik.
          As of 2016, KC-135 aircraft are based in Incirlik, providing a third of the refueling of aircraft participating in raids on Syria and Iraq. The base also hosts reconnaissance aircraft, drones, and A-10 attack aircraft.
          1. Nasdaq
            Nasdaq 22 October 2020 23: 11 New
            +1
            On account of this, I do not know, to see them later plowed.
            But the fact that a direct invasion from the territory of Turkey was not carried out is for sure.
            And this will not happen with Iran either.
            America is far away, and the Turks still have to live with these neighbors. They have enough "sovereignty" to refuse the Americans.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 October 2020 10: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Nasdaq
              They have enough "sovereignty" to refuse the Americans

              If the Americans really want to, the Turks will helpfully put "sovereignty" on the shelf until better times. The Turks, who advertised today "their" drones, are assembled from Western components. The corresponding embargo - and basta, karapuziki. And so with them in everything - the production chains will not compensate for the corresponding losses, not the scientific and technical development of the country, Turkey is not Iran at all. Their "sovereignty" exists as long as it does the US more good than harm.
      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 20: 46 New
        0
        Quote: bystander
        Armenians will not give it up, and there should be no territorial disputes to join NATO.

        How do you imagine it? Even now, when Karabakh is inhabited by Armenians, Armenia does not recognize it either as independent or in its composition. Do you think when (and if) Karabakh goes over to the Azerbaijanis, the Armenians will immediately recognize it as their own?
        The only problem was that Azerbaijan, urged on by Turkey, a NATO member, could attack Karabakh at any moment, and Armenia had to fit in for it. If she were in NATO, it would not look very good. And if the Azerbaijanis occupy Karabakh - this problem will go away by itself - the Armenians will not attack Azerbaijan, and they did not recognize Karabakh as their own.
    2. fn34440
      fn34440 22 October 2020 16: 32 New
      -1
      "It's not about the strength of the Azerbaijani army, it's just that Pashinyan is dumping Karabakh for NATO."

      For the pro-Western Nikol Pashinyan, all this is a continuation of his policy. He has already called French President Emmanuel Macron the most comfortable interlocutor (the comparison with Putin was clear). The Armenian leader will turn to the United States with even more elegant curtsies, actually demonstrating to Moscow which of the three co-chairs of the Minsk Group on the Karabakh settlement is the main one.

      However, it is not only about Pashinyan, the pro-Western course of Armenia is also confirmed by the visit to Brussels to meet with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the head of the European Council Charles Michel, President Armen Sarkissian, who, according to the Armenian media, has British citizenship. All this is also a hint to the Kremlin about leaving its orbit, which, in fact, has been carried out by the Pashinyan government in practice in recent years.

      But Moscow seems to be quite calm about these maneuvers of Armenia, maneuvering between the West and Russia, especially against the background of stable relations with Azerbaijan.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 22 October 2020 16: 40 New
        +4
        Why be nervous?
        Russia has enough problems of its own.
      2. MTN
        MTN 22 October 2020 17: 41 New
        0
        Hike Azerbaijan goes to the CSTO
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 22 October 2020 17: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: fn34440
        "It's not about the strength of the Azerbaijani army, it's just that Pashinyan is dumping Karabakh for NATO."

        Duc. in such a manner it can drain Armenia with a trailer. What is this "ingenious" strategic decision? laughing
      4. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 22 October 2020 20: 51 New
        0
        Yes, and a tablecloth road
      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 21: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: fn34440
        especially against the background of stable relations with Azerbaijan

        Yeah. As Pashinyan is looking for arbitrators on the side of the "free" world - so ay ay ay Pashinyan and goodbye to Armenia (which is really so). And as Aliyev declares that without the Turks, a conversation is not a conversation (when they are not even in the Minsk group today, he is stupidly dragging Erdogan there as his overlord) - so, like, all norms, relations with Azerbaijan are stable in Russia.
        No really. Both are good. Both fell under our enemies. And we cannot expect anything good from Azerbaijan, as well as from Armenia.
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 16: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: Voentorg
      Pashinyan merges Karabakh for NATO.

      +1
      I will repeat myself. To those whom Pashinyan represents in his chair - Karabakh is like a fifth leg. Amputation is never painless, but it is not convenient to lead Armenia into a "decent" society with five legs either
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 16: 50 New
        +1
        I support the "West" and Turkey, this war is extremely beneficial. Armenia and Azerbaijan will be able to enter NATO, Turkey is distracted from the Mediterranean Sea, Russia is losing ground in the Transcaucasian region and further in Central Asia, Turkey is increasing its forces against Russia, Iran, and China in these regions.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 17: 22 New
          +3
          The only losers are Russia (Iran and China were not the dominant force in the region anyway, their defeat here is quite conditional) and the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan, whose corpses will be used to formalize this "deal".
          The "elites" of Armenia (the maximum that the Armenians will be smart enough to do after defeat is to make claims to Pashinyan, but they will simply replace him like a pawn) and Azerbaijan, together with the "civilized" west and Turkey, will achieve their goals.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 17: 30 New
            0
            In general, yes. China is building up its forces in Central Asia, but so far it is not critical, the role of Russia there is too great.
            With Iran, there is another moment, 25-35 million Turks live in it, and moreover compactly. A very dangerous situation for Iran. At the same time, the United States has a big grudge against Iran.
            1. MTN
              MTN 22 October 2020 17: 42 New
              -1
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              At the same time, the United States has a big grudge against Iran.

              A tooth on Iran is not only from the United States, but also from the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, then from Israel, and where they are, Europe and Australia, and so on.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 17: 44 New
                -3
                Too many enemies, too few friends.
                1. MTN
                  MTN 22 October 2020 18: 50 New
                  -5
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  Too many enemies, too few friends.

                  Deserved !!! I can give many examples.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 October 2020 19: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: MTN
                    Deserved !!!

                    What did they deserve? Who did they deserve?
            2. Voentorg
              Voentorg 22 October 2020 18: 00 New
              -1
              "25-35", but in real life will be less than 10?
              It is not a problem for Iran if something presses down by force.
              1. MTN
                MTN 22 October 2020 18: 50 New
                0
                Quote: Voentorg
                It is not a problem for Iran if something presses down by force.

                Saddam and Assad and Gaddafi thought so ................
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 22 October 2020 19: 42 New
                +1
                Rahbar Ayatollah Khamenei himself has Azerbaijani roots. By the way, most of the Iranian Air Force and civil aviation pilots are also Azerbaijanis.
            3. Tank hard
              Tank hard 22 October 2020 18: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              In general, yes. China is building up its forces in Central Asia, but it is not critical yet, the role of Russia there is too great

              IMHO, in general, the US there is increasing pressure towards the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, but China is quite strong and difficult to move. And Russia has long been moved to Central Asia, but these are problems for Central Asia, no less than for the Russian Federation, if not more. repeat
        2. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 22 October 2020 19: 34 New
          0
          Turkey is distracted from the Mediterranean

          There is nothing she is not distracted from the Mediterranean Sea again sends her ships to roam the expanses ...
    4. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 22 October 2020 17: 58 New
      -3
      Does not drain. He drew the right conclusions.
  4. maktub
    maktub 22 October 2020 16: 28 New
    -3
    There are a lot of videos on the network and on the other side, where drones destroy l / s with impunity and, in my opinion, here someone posted footage of the movement of a car, where corpses lie on the road and on the sides
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 16: 30 New
    +9
    For "not love" to each other, Azerbaijanis or Armenians in Soviet times were given a term, now in the 21st century they give medals ... Therefore, the war will be long ...
  6. taiga2018
    taiga2018 22 October 2020 16: 31 New
    +2
    Suppose Azerbaijan achieves all its goals, but won't this lead to a long-term guerrilla war on the part of the Armenians?
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 22 October 2020 16: 39 New
      +8
      To the network if only.
      Traders rarely make smart warriors.
      I don't think they have an analogue of Hannibal Bark, and he eventually lost.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 22 October 2020 22: 41 New
        0
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Hannibal Barca, and he eventually lost.

        he lost and won many times.
        He certainly had his own Waterloo (more precisely Zama, Waterloo later)
        This is not Alexander ... and not Scipio M.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2020 17: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: taiga2018
      won't this lead to a long-term guerrilla war on the part of the Armenians?
      It won't. Judging by the empty settlements and abandoned equipment regularly shown in Azerbaijani reports, the Armenian population and partly the army are abandoning everything and running that only their heels are sparkling. We are clearly not talking about any guerrilla warfare.
    3. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 22 October 2020 19: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: taiga2018
      Suppose Azerbaijan achieves all its goals, but won't this lead to a long-term guerrilla war on the part of the Armenians?

      It is unlikely that if you look at the history of the conflict Azerbaijanis left Karabakh, now the Armenians will leave if Azerbaijan wins. How to partisan on the territory without the support of the local population?
      1. icant007
        icant007 22 October 2020 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Pavlos Melas
        How to partisan on the territory without the support of the local population?


        It is quite possible to arrange separate sabotage. Therefore, I would not discount the possibility of a guerrilla war.
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 22 October 2020 20: 48 New
          +2
          [/ Quote]
          Quote: icant007
          [quote = Pavlos Melas] How to fight partisans in the territory without the support of the local population?


          It is quite possible to arrange separate sabotage. Therefore, I would not discount the possibility of a guerrilla war.

          These sabotage can be interpreted as a terrorist act, the figures are terrorists. The Azerbaijani side will have legal grounds for aggression against Armenia. Here the CSTO is unlikely to help. As well as the EU will not fit in. Whether Armenia alone will be able to deal with Turkey and Azerbaijan, I would like to but hard to believe.
  7. certero
    certero 22 October 2020 16: 32 New
    +3
    Well, it depends on what to compare the losses with. In the same conflict 888 in just a few days of fighting, losses were quite high. Imagine if it lasted a couple of weeks.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 22 October 2020 16: 42 New
      -11 qualifying.
      The Armenians suffered huge damage from the UAVs of Aznbayjan, Turkish, Israeli, Ukrainian, Canadian, Belarusian.
      Steeper-only American.
      Russia is in the last places in the world for the development and production of military UAVs.
      We slept while robbing our pensioners.
      1. Soho
        Soho 22 October 2020 18: 02 New
        +6
        Before you lick the Americans from the lower back, think about why they are in no hurry to use their vaunted attack drones during massive attacks? And how suckers use manned aircraft and CD
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 October 2020 19: 16 New
      +2
      I would estimate the losses of Armenia at 2-3 thousand soldiers killed.
      Azerbaijan has lost no more than 500 soldiers killed.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 20: 03 New
        -1
        I think the ratio of losses 1 to 5 is correct. This is evident from the losses of tanks and other equipment. More than 500 ~ 800 were killed for Azerbaijanis (only in this video https://youtu.be/KiL6CdXjku8 62 shot Azeri prisoners), respectively, the loss of Armenians 2500 ~ 4000 people.
        Quote: donavi49
        In their opinion, it can be recorded that the Armenian side lost 138 T-72 tanks (of which 44 fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), 35 infantry fighting vehicles (16 BMP-1, 17 BMP-2, 2 unidentified, of which 14 were captured), 20 other armored vehicles (14 MT-LB with memory, 2 MT-LB, 1 BTR-70, 3 unidentified, of which 4 were captured), 2 armored tractors BTS-2 (captured), 2 self-propelled anti-tank systems (9P148 and 9P149, captured) , 40 ATGM launchers, 12 self-propelled howitzers (4 2S3 and 8 2S1), 50 artillery pieces (2 2A36, 11 D-20, 8 D-1, 1 KS-19, 28 D-30, of which 15 were captured in total), 56 MLRS (51 BM-21, 1 Smerch, 2 WM-80, 1 TOS-1A, 1 unidentified), 9 mortars, 1 ZSU-23-4, 15 SAM combat vehicles (3 Strela-10, 11 "Osa-AK / AKM", 1 "Cube"), elements of the S-300PS air defense system, 8 radars (4 types of ST-68U / UM, 1 P-18, 1 5N63S, 1 1S32, 1 1S91), one PU OTRK " Elbrus ", 306 cars.


        On the Azerbaijani side, 23 tanks were reliably lost (2 T-90S and 21 T-72, with one returned by the Azerbaijani side), 17 BMPs (2 BMP-1, 11 BMP-2, 1 BMP-3, 3 unidentified), 5 BTR- 82A, 2 armored vehicles (Matador and Sand Cat), 1 engineering vehicle IMR-2, 13 vehicles.
  8. Alexfly
    Alexfly 22 October 2020 16: 38 New
    -6
    There is no reception against the drone if there is no harness from the drone ..... short and clear
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 53 New
      -2
      Air defense queen of the air.
      It's just that the Armenian pulled away for the sake of the drain.
  9. Selevc
    Selevc 22 October 2020 16: 50 New
    31

    I read the news about Karabakh and all the time it seems that the elites of the former post-Soviet countries are playing a game called "Dumb and dumber ...". :

    1. Azerbaijan has been saying for many years that it will fight for territories? - spoke.
    2. Did Azerbaijan buy a lot of weapons? - bought. Purchased openly? - openly.
    3.Azerbaijan purchased UAVs? - bought. Open ? -open.
    4. Is Azerbaijan friendly with Turkey? Open ? -open.
    And suddenly bam - mom !!! Only 25 years (a quarter of a century !!!) have passed since the end of the previous Karabakh conflict and Armenia is not ready !!! Guys, Armenians, how much time do you need to train your army - half a century ??? Or century ??? It's just some kind of new Caucasian film - it would be a comedy if people didn't die ...

    And the Armenians are wrong to take offense at Russia - Russia can help, but it will not solve the problems of the Armenians for the Armenians themselves !!! No one, neither the United States, nor Europe, nor Russia, nor Turkey will ever lead Armenia and Azerbaijan to peace - you must agree on your own - you are neighbors and you will live next to each other !!! And it's better to make concessions to each other once and live in peace - than to fight each other with each new generation !!!
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 55 New
      +8
      How much did Russia help Armenia with arms for written off loans?
      How much did the Armenian diaspora donate $$$ for armament?
      1. the finish
        the finish 22 October 2020 18: 35 New
        -6
        The Russian Federation has never written off anything to Armenia. Provide the facts. If only to insert your 5 kopecks into the general background!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 22 October 2020 16: 57 New
      +4
      Guys, Armenians, how much time do you need to train your army - half a century

      They thought Soros would help them now .. well, if not Soros, then Russia must harness itself .. And here on you .. Everyone who tries to sit on two chairs then sews up a point ..
      1. to bite
        to bite 22 October 2020 17: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Guys, Armenians, how much time do you need to train your army - half a century

        They thought Soros would help them now .. well, if not Soros, then Russia must harness itself .. And here on you .. Everyone who tries to sit on two chairs then sews up a point ..

        Russia is trying, although we are so offended to harness Vladimir for such. angry But what to do, the conflict is already beyond the scope and just beating begins ..
        PS The State Duma considered the issue of introducing Russian peacekeepers into the conflict zone .. It's time to pull away the "hot Caucasian" guys until the region is flooded with blood and the United States and Turkey are not drawn there.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 October 2020 17: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: morder
          ..It's time to take away the "hot Caucasian" guys until the region is flooded with blood and the USA and Turkey are not attracted there

          This will be the right decision, but it will not extinguish the conflict, but only delay it again. And there are more and more such frozen points on the map. It's time to start pursuing at least some kind of policy towards post-Soviet countries ..
          1. MTN
            MTN 22 October 2020 19: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            This will be the right decision

            Have a little patience ............ part of Karabakh remains. Just a couple of cities. Then there will be diplomacy.
            1. Rubina
              Rubina 22 October 2020 20: 08 New
              +1
              The President just tweeted - 19 more villages and one settlement; the entire state border of Azerbaijan with Iran, previously occupied, came under the control of the quality of Azerbaijani border guards
              1. MTN
                MTN 22 October 2020 21: 34 New
                -2
                Quote: Rubina
                Azerbaijan's border with Iran, previously occupied, came under the control of the quality of Azerbaijani border guards

                and here is the list from whom I passed. https://haqqin.az/news/192195 SECOND FOR OCTOBER 22; OFFICIAL - 900 dead.
                Not weird? As if according to the list and according to the plan. Exactly 900 no more no less. They themselves do not understand how they screwed up such numbers. So they have in everything either too or too much.
    3. MTN
      MTN 22 October 2020 17: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Selevc
      And it's better to make concessions to each other once and live in peace - than to fight each other with each new generation !!!

      Too late. The train left. Ilham Aliyev officially tweeted today. All. no referendum in Karabakh. That is, no more peoples' rights. So it removes autonomy. Such a statement simply cannot be made. Along the way, the good was received from everyone. What fools are the Armenians, they were offered the widest autonomy, self-government, and now what happened? He killed people, lost the country, in general ................. finito la comedy.
    4. MTN
      MTN 22 October 2020 19: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Selevc
      Guys, Armenians, how much time do you need to train your army - half a century ??? Or century ??? It's just some kind of new Caucasian film - it would be a comedy if people didn't die ...

      There is truth in your descriptions, but there is also another side.
      In the first, in the 1s, there was a struggle for power in Azerbaijan, the front was in the background.
      Secondly, in spite of the fact that there were a lot of equipment in Azerbaijan, many were not in working order.
      Critically small number of military experts.
      In the 4th, many will think that the Azerbaijani army was weak, but the Ganja battalion destroyed the most elite army of Armenians called "Arabo" who were all almost cyborgs and terminators.
      In the 5th, the Russian government put its stake on Armenia and the Armenians, and there is no reception against scrap. And in Kyrgyzstan they signed a peace treaty, AT LEAST, I would argue who would actually win.
      In the 6th, mercenaries from many countries fought on the side of the Armenians, on the side of Azerbaijan there were also mercenaries, for example Bassayev, who returned back to Chechnya a month later. There were even Afghans, but the Popular Front of Azerbaijan ruined everything. In short, we were not ready for war and the Armenians had been preparing for it for a long time.
      7. Since 2016, the Azerbaijani army has organized a mini-war (provocations of the Armenians) every year, and each time the Armenians received lyulya. But in spite of this, PRIDE! Like what traders can do. Although we are the same Azerbaijanis. The same spirit.
      The Armenian army and its invincible spirit were too advertised. This is what happens to Armenia and the Armenians when Mother Russia is not ahead of them. There are a lot of videos on the network as Russian mercenaries said that the Armenians were always hiding behind their backs. You can search. At the moment, Azerbaijan is showing Armenia who is who. Aliyev junior is smart, he did everything to keep the whole world silent. You need to be able to do this. Although he is the son of a great father. Azerbaijan is lucky. In 25 days, we completely restored the border with Iran, and our soldiers didn't care about Ogonyan's defense line or whatever, in a couple of days they smashed everything and built this vaunted defense for 30 years. This is what spirit means. And now the Armenians will shout about the genocide. Although they are already screaming. Well, where did their notorious spirit go? And in order not to be losers, they came up with a theme with mercenaries or barmolees. They say if it were not for Turkey, we would have punished Azerbaijan and all sorts of such stories. So that's it.

      Thank you for attention.
  10. KARAKURT777
    KARAKURT777 22 October 2020 17: 02 New
    +2
    [/ quote] For those who want to see the video, - it is on the official Facebook page of the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan. [quote]

    And this is all that VO has?))
    In this video, most of the photos of Azerbaijani soldiers who died in the entire history of the conflict.
  11. Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 17: 07 New
    -7

    Our youth grew up in the environment, seeing the suffering of their fathers and mothers, expelled from Karabakh by the barbarians, grew up seeing the crippled fate of their relatives and friends. They grew up with determination to put an end to this injustice.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 22 October 2020 17: 28 New
      +2
      "Our youth grew up in an environment ...."
      Who cares? You are transit passengers on this land.
      While Armenia and Azerbaijan continue to challenge their rights to Nagorno-Karabakh, one can recall how the Karabakh Khanate, which included both Karabakhs, Nagorny and Plain, became part of the Russian Empire. This happened exactly 210 years ago, on May 26, 1805, when the local ruler Ibrahim Khalil Khan took the oath to the Russian Emperor Alexander I.
      By May 1805, when nearly eight years remained until the end of the war, he met with Prince Pavel Tsitsianov, who was one of the main Russian commanders of that time. On May 14, 1805, the Treaty of Kurekchay was signed, and 11 days later Ibrahim Khalil Khan swore allegiance to Alexander I and received the rank of lieutenant general of the Russian army.
      So sho not bullshit. "Give me, young people."
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 18: 00 New
        -1
        All this was, but what does this have to do with my post? Mother gave birth to all, even your imperial soldiers, and all people have a sense of justice. " Who cares?" Low-grade thinking, not only against strangers, and against our own too. So who drives bullshit?
  12. Nychego
    Nychego 22 October 2020 17: 10 New
    +3
    Experts believe that the long-standing interethnic factor present in the conflict is playing a negative role. It is he, against the background of the complete unwillingness of the parties to make at least some kind of compromise, and leads to the fact that the number of losses in the battle zone is great and is not typical for interstate wars (and in fact there is an interstate war) of our time

    This is just one side of the coin.
    Another, quite obvious one, is that in their eternal confrontation the "sword" once again outstripped the "shield", i.e. strike means of influencing the enemy in this conflict outstrip means of defense.
  13. Camrad
    Camrad 22 October 2020 17: 13 New
    12
    The victims and the injured, of course, are a pity.
    Otherwise, I'm pleasantly surprised. I don’t remember such a case (well, maybe the Iranian-Iraqi war?) So that Russia would not fit in, would not put its shoulder under another pseudo-ally, who would later spit on the graves of Russian soldiers. Finally, we took an adult, balanced position.
  14. Homeland
    Homeland 22 October 2020 17: 32 New
    +6
    The fact that Azerbaijan leaves its dead soldiers on the battlefield is complete nonsense. Where can he leave them if his army is constantly moving forward, liberating new territories, where the corpses of Armenian soldiers lie ?! (A rhetorical question)
  15. cniza
    cniza 22 October 2020 17: 49 New
    +1
    In the Karabakh confrontation, the stake is clearly not placed on saving personnel, especially if we take into account the personnel with, to put it mildly, negligent equipment of positions by both sides.


    Only Russia can stop this massacre ...
    1. to bite
      to bite 22 October 2020 18: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      In the Karabakh confrontation, the stake is clearly not placed on saving personnel, especially if we take into account the personnel with, to put it mildly, negligent equipment of positions by both sides.


      Only Russia can stop this massacre ...

      As always in his history, Victor .. hi This is probably our historical mission to end fights both regional and world ..
      And how you do not want to get in there, again screams will begin in the world, and losses cannot be avoided .. Oh, Russia is a kind soul!
      I still hope that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Russia will be thoroughly shaken, so that their relatives there will be warned otherwise the Khan's business will ...
      In Georgia, on 08.08.08, they acted this way, it partially helped .. They are looking for Sakashvilli!
      When will we live peacefully in Russia? Can bang (joke))))
      1. Gofman
        Gofman 22 October 2020 22: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: morder
        This is probably our historical mission to end fights both regional and world ..
        And how you do not want to get in there, again screams will begin in the world, and losses cannot be avoided .. Oh, Russia is a kind soul!

        Сайт "Погибшие": http://xn--90adhkb6ag0f.xn--p1ai/arhiv/osetiya-2008
        For two large operations of Russia (2008 in Ossetia and since 2015 in Syria) with several hundred dead Russians of different nationalities - the share of the Armenian diaspora (which in our country is larger than in Armenia itself) accounts for 1 (one) dead ... With such a ratio of losses, they can actively promote any actions of Russia, even to "defend Karabakh", even to "defend Russian influence in the Caucasus" and even to "return Turkey to its place" ... Even they themselves will not need to go there. "... We plowed," said a fly, sitting on the bull's neck.
    2. Rubina
      Rubina 22 October 2020 20: 13 New
      +2
      Maybe, but it won't. Oil and oil. Today, Mr Putin, speaking at a meeting of the Valdai Club, said that you should not get involved with indecisive Germans (he buried Nord Stream 2) and that it is good to deal with Erdogan (South Stream). Armenia krants
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 October 2020 20: 39 New
        +3
        Take your time, everything will be clear soon, the policy is not straightforward ...
  16. Victorm
    Victorm 22 October 2020 17: 53 New
    +6
    Quote: Artavazdych
    The Armenians recognized 834 dead.

    I spoke from the words of the military, he is engaged in funerals, so he was not much mistaken.
    The Azerbaijani side takes its dead as soon as the opportunity arises.

    The Azerbaijani side has the opportunity - the battlefields remain behind them. And the corpses lie and the wild pigs eat them. Show you?
    Your criminal Aliyev, I hope you will understand this soon. The war will soon be over and there will be peace. And a bad peace, as they say, is better than a good war.
    There is nothing to tell high tales here!
    All bodies on their side are immediately sent to the rear and buried with military honors. We've all seen the footage of wild boars eating the body of our dead soldier, but his body is not on our side.
    Even after the first large losses and the defeat of the Armenian Armed Forces, the Armenians were repeatedly asked to take the bodies through Georgia through the mediation of the Red Cross - SILENCE, instead they yelled about a humanitarian truce, in the hope of regrouping and pulling up reserves. Well, they gave them the opportunity, signed in Moscow, the Armenians dragged their reserves, they began to be destroyed, arranged one exchange of bodies and filmed in order to shoot again what false video.
    Now, loudly, directly, through the media and all possible intermediaries, Azerbaijan, without any conditions and obligations of exchange for the Armenians, offered to transfer the bodies through the corridor in Tovuz, the corpses were already bloated and the stench was on the whole district, this threatens an epidemiological situation, etc. and so on, and ... SILENCE, but ...
    At the same time, the Armenian side suddenly starts talking about the threat of outbreaks of epidemics due to corpses, etc., and savor the footage as a boar eats the body of a dead soldier. And the fact that the bodies of the killed Armenians have ceased to be collected, because there is simply no place to store them, and they lie at all the places of the fighting, about this again SILENCE.

    Of course, we have losses and obviously no less than the Armenian ones, we are advancing, but we do not have cynicism, ALL our guys whose bodies are available to us are sent home and buried.

    This is one more of hundreds of false topics of Armenian propaganda, it will also be exposed, sooner or later, at least swollen, even half rotted, but they will have to take the bodies of their dead servicemen and admit the losses. It is clear that you are delaying until the last, it is clear that Yerevan is sending messages to Stepanakert "not to show more than 100 a day", but the war is already drawing to a close, being cut off from the north and south, units of the Armenian Armed Forces will either leave for Armenia along the corridor, or under the camera.

    Azerbaijan does not publicly report the losses to the FIGURE, but no one hides the funeral, the names, or the circumstances of the death, everything is in the public domain:

    It just doesn't reach you that our people really volunteer themselves, we are not afraid of death. The Armenians cannot gather all over Russia only two or three boards of volunteers, despite the fact that there are FIVE TIMES more Armenians in Russia than Azerbaijanis, but if and as soon as Azerbaijan provides boards and flights are organized from Moscow, or starts letting through the border, you will see the difference hi
    1. to bite
      to bite 22 October 2020 18: 14 New
      -5
      Quote: VictorM
      The Armenians cannot gather all over Russia only two or three boards of volunteers, despite the fact that there are FIVE TIMES more Armenians in Russia than Azerbaijanis, but if and as soon as Azerbaijan provides boards and flights are organized from Moscow, or starts letting through the border, you will see the difference

      You will wait for Russia to send EVERYTHING from Russia .. From Moscow alone, how many divisions and those and these will be typed lol How tired you are of all of us in Russia ..
    2. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 22 October 2020 18: 37 New
      -2
      Go with God.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 22 October 2020 21: 03 New
        -4
        It's all lies.
        This is a fact - Azerbaijan (or rather Turkey) is extremely active in the Russian information field - this is noted on all resources - and completely wins the information war in the Russian information field.
        Actually, this is very clear here.
        Comrades, remember "onizhedeti", "officer's daughter", "everything is not the same" ...
    3. Selevc
      Selevc 23 October 2020 11: 33 New
      0
      We've all seen the footage of wild boars eating the body of our dead soldier, but his body is not on our side.
      I wonder what kind of wild boars are they who eat corpses under the screeching of bullets and explosions of shells ??? Normal boars would probably have had enough of a heart attack for a long time - maybe it's Turkish scouts-cannibals in boar skins ???
    4. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 27 October 2020 04: 13 New
      0
      Earth im glassy laughing
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 22 October 2020 18: 03 New
    +3
    As long as there is a patriotic upsurge in these countries, no one will pay attention to losses ... but this is for now ..
  18. Victorm
    Victorm 22 October 2020 18: 23 New
    +1

    Here is a video from our side ...
    And the video below is High Tales:
  19. Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 18: 38 New
    +2
    https://topwar.ru/149184-armjanskij-parlament-pal-kakuju-armeniju-kuet-pashinjan.html


    Someone already two years ago knew that Pashinyan would drain Karabakh.
  20. Victorm
    Victorm 22 October 2020 19: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    As long as there is a patriotic upsurge in these countries, no one will pay attention to losses ... but this is for now ..
    Other generations have come, not for the time being, other generations have come, look at the year of birth in the reports of those killed by the Armenians, for example, this is 2000 - 2001, that is, this generation did not find the USSR even as babies, this is a different culture and ideology.
  21. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 22 October 2020 19: 22 New
    +1
    Putin said 5000 people on both sides. It's a lot of fights in a month
  22. Victorm
    Victorm 22 October 2020 19: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: morder
    Quote: VictorM
    The Armenians cannot gather all over Russia only two or three boards of volunteers, despite the fact that there are FIVE TIMES more Armenians in Russia than Azerbaijanis, but if and as soon as Azerbaijan provides boards and flights are organized from Moscow, or starts letting through the border, you will see the difference

    You will wait for Russia to send EVERYTHING from Russia .. From Moscow alone, how many divisions and those and these will be typed lol How tired you are of all of us in Russia ..

    What problems? ...
    My small homeland Derbent Khanate, you are sending me together with the Derbent Khanate to Azerbaijan, I am sending you - if we agree, then I'm ready at least wait wink
    With all due respect and loyalty to the stupidity of all sorts of different sorts, but somehow living with illiterate Tavgaris, who do not know that I, an Azerbaijani, a representative of the indigenous people of Russia, and who every day, I am expelled from my own homeland - do not need a hundred years such fellow citizens hi Moreover, given the fact that they support and lick the enemy of my people ...
    Well, are we negotiating at the level of public diplomacy?
  23. Victorm
    Victorm 22 October 2020 19: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: MaxWRX
    Putin said 5000 people on both sides. It's a lot of fights in a month

    And who ever wondered how many servicemen and civilians died on both sides during the quarter century of the "ceasefire"? ... So losses against this background and taking into account hundreds of thousands of refugees are acceptable for Azerbaijan.
  24. Angivin
    Angivin 22 October 2020 21: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Romeo
    exactly Azerbaijan is surprisingly fast in solving its problems. What kind of trench warfare are we talking about ?! The speed in the south is surprising. The war is going on at all, but 5 districts have been repulsed. Follow the news. What yardsticks do you measure quickly - not quickly ?!

    Absolutely agree. It seems that some are either in too much of a hurry or trying to lower the rate of advance of Azerbaijani troops into the mountains. Indeed, in fact, not even a month has passed since the beginning of hostilities. The international situation also allows Azerbaijan to systematically move forward.
  25. Old26
    Old26 22 October 2020 22: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: MTN
    Hike Azerbaijan goes to the CSTO

    And he was in it from 93 to 99
  26. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 22 October 2020 22: 35 New
    -2
    there are not enough green men, they have inflated to the horror of the world!
  27. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 22 October 2020 23: 14 New
    -1
    The senseless meat grinder continues, but the powers that be are not up to it.
    What do they care about aborigines who wet each other.

    No matter how cynical it may sound. angry
  28. Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 23: 51 New
    -4
    Quote: VictorM
    I am an Azerbaijani, a representative of the indigenous people of Russia


    I don’t want to embarrass you, but Azerbaijanis are not included in the list of indigenous peoples of Russia. They are not even indigenous in Azerbaijan, but migrants from China.
  29. Konnick
    Konnick 23 October 2020 04: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Lars971A
    What I can, Armenia is fighting against the two states Azerbaijan and Turkey, there are no trenches 0% of the border with the Russian Federation, i.e. there are no trenches at all. For us, this situation is bad and very bad ...

    And specifically bad for whom? For Armenia, this is already clear. To live in permanent hatred of the surrounding peoples, to despise Azerbaijanis and Turks, Kurds and Aysors, nothing good is expected for Armenia. And Russia needs to live in peace with its neighbors and Azerbaijan and Turkey, Erdogans, Pashinyans and others come and go, but the peoples remain. By definition, those peoples who are fixated on their past have no future. Define enemies on religious grounds, sorry, we will slide back to the Middle Ages. Armenia needs to moderate its nationalistic, close to chauvinism, ardor. And as for the eternal memory of the genocide, I will tell you my opinion, whoever remembers the old will be out of the question.
  30. Konnick
    Konnick 23 October 2020 08: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: MaxWRX
    Putin said 5000 people on both sides. It's a lot of fights in a month

    It's time for us to stop believing his words.
  31. Victorm
    Victorm 23 October 2020 13: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: Voentorg
    Quote: VictorM
    I am an Azerbaijani, a representative of the indigenous people of Russia


    I don’t want to embarrass you, but Azerbaijanis are not included in the list of indigenous peoples of Russia. They are not even indigenous in Azerbaijan, but migrants from China.
    Did you drink vodka? Pigs can be grazed together? ...
    For those who are especially literate.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0

    About China. Let it be known to the illiterate that the most authoritative TURKOLOGISTS are Russian scientists, and RUSSIAN by origin. There are monuments to some in Turkey.
    They would be ashamed to open their mouths and disgrace themselves. If a person is smart, but does not know something, he usually sits and keeps mum and does not go into topics in which there is no stranger. And he climbs into what he barely knows and into what he does not know at all and does not even have an idea of ​​the one who "stops" in Turkish. There is a Bulgarian here from under the Turk's grandfather - he will translate.

    Quote: Konnick
    Quote: MaxWRX
    Putin said 5000 people on both sides. It's a lot of fights in a month

    It's time for us to stop believing his words.
    No, it’s in vain, his figure reflects reality. Plus or minus is very accurate by what we see and learn from relatives, friends, acquaintances on both sides of the conflict.
  32. Victorm
    Victorm 23 October 2020 14: 52 New
    -1
    At 00:16, the South African MRAP Maradeur that exploded, hit two anti-tank mines. This is not the first mine explosion of South African armored personnel carriers, two types were assembled in Azerbaijan, production is also organized in Kazakhstan. As you can see, the battles show that the vehicles actually save the crew and the troops.

    In the video below, the crew and troops, all survived. The driver on the far right, apparently, was kicked in the legs, the senior filming officer, was slightly wounded in the left leg.

    The low losses of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are also due to the use of similar types of armored vehicles. As we understand, if there were a patrol on the BRDM, there would be no extreme video.
  33. Pontifex
    Pontifex 24 October 2020 08: 39 New
    0
    Armenians who are in isolation, surrounded by unfriendly countries, always need to think about their security and build up their defenses ... And not push the rolls in front of the Americans and Europe.
    Well Pasha Nyan, did your Poles help you? ...
  34. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 24 October 2020 10: 55 New
    0
    I liked the phrase "careless position equipment". In my opinion, people are not taken care of there at all, they spontaneously went out to shoot ... And when the arm. and an iizer. were good warriors? Only at the time of the king of the peas, like 500 years ago? ))))
    1. kush62
      kush62 25 October 2020 15: 33 New
      0
      And when the arm. and an iizer. were good warriors? Only at the time of the king of the peas, like 500 years ago? ))))

      When we lived in the USSR. And there was one Motherland, the Soviet Union
  35. Andycomm
    Andycomm 24 October 2020 14: 14 New
    0
    I have no doubt that the losses in HP would drastically decrease if there were pashinyans with Aliyevs on the front end.
    All the time of this war