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"Chasing like dogs": Azerbaijan has started mass production of new attack drones

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"Chasing like dogs": Azerbaijan has started mass production of new attack drones

Enterprises and associations of the military-industrial complex of Azerbaijan have started serial production of a new type of attack unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The press service of the Ministry of Defense of the republic reports.


It is noted that the new drone, dubbed İti Qovan ("Persecuted like dogs"), differs from the earlier version of Zerbe ("Strike") with "greater destructive power." At the same time, it is specified that the words of the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, which became popular after appeals to the people in connection with the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, were chosen as the name of the new UAVs. The name is applied to the wings of the drone.

The press service of the Ministry of Defense Industry of the republic clarified that the tests of new drones are being carried out in conditions of real hostilities in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. In addition to the military, specialists from the ministry participate in them. Also, the drone is already entering service with the Azerbaijani army.


The tactical and technical data of the new drone are not provided. Judging by the photo, this drone is a kamikaze drone used to destroy enemy armored vehicles.






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  1. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 36
    +3
    Further modernization of the Israeli Sky Striker
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 22 October 2020 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Further modernization of the Israeli Sky Striker

      Whose electronics and engine are there?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 41
        +4
        The engine, I think, is my own. Electronics, with 90% probability, Israeli. Although - on Chinese components, they could have bungled their own.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 22 October 2020 13: 47
          25
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The engine, I think, is my own. Electronics, with 90% probability, Israeli. Although - on Chinese components, they could have bungled their own.

          Clear. One thing is clear, battle tactics will have to be significantly changed with the advent of these "kamikaze".
          And the funny thing is that the Jews are to blame again. belay that's what kind of people ...
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 50
            +4
            If there is no water in the tap drinks
            It will be necessary to disguise better - this is definitely
            Let's get to the point that each infantryman will have a personal drone
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 22 October 2020 14: 18
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Let's get to the point that each infantryman will have a personal drone

              And this will be the most economical option in terms of costs. request There were data 10 years ago on the cost of destroying one enemy for centuries, crazy numbers.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 22
                +1
                That's right!
              2. da Vinci
                da Vinci 22 October 2020 17: 31
                +5
                A couple of years ago, guided weapons were considered available only to rich countries. Now the concept of UO has changed, which has become very accessible.
            2. Icarus
              Icarus 22 October 2020 18: 45
              +3
              For camouflage, you will also need individual means with a smoke screen, holographic (inflatable) and heat traps. lol
            3. Buka001
              Buka001 22 October 2020 22: 06
              +3
              Already have the Turks, called Alpagu
            4. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 22 October 2020 23: 46
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              If there is no water in the tap

              The Russians are coming. Today Jews are Russians.
          2. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 13: 51
            24
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Clear. One thing is clear, battle tactics will have to be significantly changed with the advent of these "kamikaze".

            Why change it then? We open the textbook on tactics, find the section "military air defense" and read. Preferably with your eyes and not your ass. Then it is highly desirable to do what you read. Be on alert CONTINUOUSLY! without smoke breaks, place air defense elements correctly, do NP around the air defense systems in threatened directions at least with 2 fighters - one with binoculars the other with MANPADS, mask equipment in parking lots, and not in the form of a lonely bush in the form of a city in the middle of the field, prepare combat positions, use layouts, but there is generally a lot of things written. In general, remember that war and computer shooters are not the same thing. And there will be no special harm from these UAVs.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 54
              -5
              laughing
              And do not forget to change the wall newspaper in the Lenin Room weekly soldier
              1. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 14: 05
                22
                Quote: Krasnodar
                laughing
                And do not forget to change the wall newspaper in the Lenin Room weekly soldier

                You know, if one day the moment comes when a variety of proud horsemen are forced to change the wall newspaper you described, I think by that time they will no longer have problems with air defense ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 08
                  0
                  Will they figure out how to spot and shoot down a Harop-type thing? Quite possibly the question is when will it be?
                  1. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 14: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Will they figure out how to spot and shoot down a Harop-type thing? Quite possibly the question is when will it be?

                    No, it's just that some other guys will deal with their air defense. Those who invented everything a long time ago ...
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 33
                      +5
                      I am not an air defense specialist, but even the pioneers and pioneers in their widespread use on the battlefield did not come up with anything better than to oppose small and low-flying models to combat helicopters, and at high altitudes - to the standard Patriot air defense system.
                      Now the Israelis are trying to develop a line of interceptor drones.
                      How effective is the defense against drones in the RF Armed Forces? on the battlefield and in columns on the march - I don't know. request
                      1. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 14: 49
                        +9
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I am not an air defense specialist, but even the pioneers and pioneers in their widespread use on the battlefield did not come up with anything better than to oppose small and low-flying models to combat helicopters, and at high altitudes - to the standard Patriot air defense system.
                        Now the Israelis are trying to develop a line of interceptor drones.
                        How effective is the defense against drones in the RF Armed Forces? on the battlefield and in columns on the march - I don't know. request

                        The whole question is what counts as a drone. We use the term UAV just as freely as the term Airplane. But it will probably be incorrect to compare the methods of dealing with the An-2 and the Tu-160 right? Let's divide these scary drones into classes, albeit for the purposes of this discussion. 1) Krupnyak. Anki, bayraktars, global hawks and others like them. The bird is large, noticeable, it does not differ much from an "airplane" -type target, it does not pose a threat to normal air defense at all, since it is forced to poke deep into the zone for reconnaissance / strike. 2) Kamikaze of medium size, from 1.5 meters in span. They can burn a tank with one hit. It is more dangerous because they can fly in ultra-small ones and have a low ESR. But in principle, they are not superior to subtle CDs, and there are many ways to fight them. First of all, ZPRK and electronic warfare. Moreover, if the CD flies autonomously, since the speed allows one to hope that the target has not gone far during the flight, and either the ISN will lead to the point or the seeker will capture the target, then the drone will fly for a long time. This means either an advanced AI of search and selection of targets (the day after tomorrow and fantastically expensive) or a radio channel, which is elementary to suppress. In general, it is also not imba. 3) Small scouts / kamikaze, less than 1-1.5 meters. This is more complicated, but they have 3 fatal drawbacks - a small radius, because you cannot stick a powerful transmitter on it, low speed and low weight of the warhead. Dangerous only in a pack and a huge one, and if the defenders do not have something like Tunguska. In all cases, competent electronic warfare systems negate the control capabilities, and the channel itself strongly unmasks the drones. Of course, you can dream up and come up with a couple of modes in which the operator takes the drone to a position and selects a target, and then he himself, but even so, the distance will be a few kilometers, and the air defense has many orders of magnitude great opportunities ... 4) Small reconnaissance. There is little that can be done with this other than electronic warfare. But it seems to me that our main opponents, having satellites, can screw us up without such a complex and vulnerable system.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 15: 15
                        10
                        1) For Krupnyak, you need to saturate the air defense terrain, which is attacked by the same Harpies
                        2) From MANPADS you still need to get into this small garbage with a weak engine that does not emit much heat)). What about electronic warfare - like interrupting a secure communication channel? So, drones with given target dimensions have already been developed, which the main thing is to send to the attack area. Not expensive, no longer fantastic. And interrupting the channel is not easy.
                        3) Tunguska, which will become the first goal for them, they still need to get two or three pieces - all this is expensive
                        4) Here the helicopter must be launched immediately after detection - so far nothing smarter has been invented. Electronic warfare - this is so. Decipher the channel, interrupt the channel, find a spare one, interrupt it and so on ad infinitum
                      3. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 15: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) For Krupnyak, you need to saturate the air defense terrain, which is attacked by the same Harpies

                        Or use aircraft and long-range systems. Not very much the same harpy 200-300 km deep into the operational rear will fly in to take off the C300 / 400 there. Everything would be so simple ...
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) From MANPADS you still need to get into this little garbage with a weak engine that does not emit much heat))

                        Nobody said that you don't have to work. But modern MANPADS of the willow type allow this, especially when working in conjunction with other air defense systems.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        What about electronic warfare - like interrupting a secure communication channel?

                        The phrase "secure communication channel" implies encryption and may have some redundancy. No more. In a combat situation, you do not need to hack it. It is enough to catch the frequencies and illuminate them with interference, either by burning out the receiver, or simply interfering with receiving telemetry.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        So, drones with given target dimensions have already been developed, which the main thing is to send to the attack area. Not expensive, no longer fantastic.

                        Uh-huh. Called - OTRK with self-aiming warheads. Iskander for example. But this is a slightly different class of weapons. And the work of this very authoritarian there is built on the principle that after detecting a target, the OTRK will arrive there in seconds / minutes. And the drone has to cut for a couple of hours. During this time, the enemy will pack up and leave 3 times.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) Tunguska, which will become the first goal for them, they still need to get two or three pieces - all this is expensive

                        People are more expensive. And what is so fatally expensive in the Tunguska then? Cannons are not rockets.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) Here the helicopter must be launched immediately after detection - so far nothing smarter has been invented.

                        And how should he help?
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 15: 58
                        +5
                        1) Harop - 1000 km range. And he is already old))
                        2) Even the willow is not easy to work on them - and another air defense is the number one object for any kamikaze
                        3) They will switch to a reserve one, it is difficult to burn out the receiver, the interference is surmountable
                        4) The question is, where will you notice the drone, intercept the communication channel, etc. If found, it is easier to lift the helicopter and shoot it down or their
                        5) Tunguska itself - the first war will go to work on it
                        6) It is shallow, works at low altitudes, the Israelis gave them a low-flying Iranian drone and shot down
                      5. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 16: 07
                        -4
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) Harop - 1000 km range. And he is already old))

                        And the speed? For about 8 hours he will cut to the maximum range, and after 300 kilometers for communication, such power will be needed that it will be visible from the moon.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) Even the willow is not easy to work on them - and another air defense is the number one object for any kamikaze

                        Well, their control points, beautifully glowing in the radio range, are an excellent target for anti-radar missiles and OTRK. If you fight and not play with toys and diplomacy.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) They will switch to a reserve one, it is difficult to burn out the receiver, the interference is surmountable

                        It is not difficult, the question is in the power of the station and the distance. And how much do they stick them in reserve until this UAV falls under their weight? And to change the frequency of electronic warfare to the computer a couple of milliseconds.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) The question is, where will you notice the drone, intercept the communication channel, etc. If found, it is easier to lift the helicopter and shoot it down or their

                        If you spotted, options for what to do with him the sea ...
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        5) Tunguska itself - the first war will go to work on it

                        Well, if you throw her in a field, turned off and alone, like the Osa Armenians, then yes. And if they are 4/12 in science with constant duty, including some in auto mode and with overlapping sectors, then the enemy will get bored to destroy them.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        6) It is shallow, works at low altitudes, the Israelis gave them a low-flying Iranian drone and shot down

                        I cannot comment. As far as I know, our concept of air defense of helicopters is almost not there. They are more and more focused on assault functions. By the way, the question is, what can the kammikaze drones, even without air defense, oppose to the active defense complex of armored vehicles?
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 05
                        +4
                        1) I don't remember, but he will overcome 300 kilometers in 2 hours, maybe in two and a half
                        2) Without a doubt, control points are vulnerable. Megacities too)))
                        3) Here I am not special - but the Israelis and the Americans, who seem to be not very weak with electronics and communications, work against them by mechanical destruction. If the Russian Federation has superiority in this, then yes, a garbage task. hi
                        4) I agree - the sea. The main thing is to get into it and quickly.
                        5) It depends on what kind of drones the enemy will try to destroy them - if kamikaze go in echelon under the cover of high-altitude strikers - then Tunguska is false to be covered with something more serious, which is also easily destroyed
                        6) Helicopters are everywhere sharpened for shock functions, but the Jews used them this way
                        7) KAZ - the only KAZ Trophy tested in battle today does not protect the upper hemisphere of the tank
                      7. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 17: 17
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) I don't remember, but he will overcome 300 kilometers in 2 hours, maybe in two and a half

                        Two questions. First, how many times will it be detected and shot down on an active signal during this time? Second, how can control be ensured at a distance of 300 km? The earth is contagious, round. On short waves you cannot control it - the channel width will not be enough, and the 30 meter antenna on the drone will be slightly noticeable, and all other waves will be hindered by the curvature of the earth's surface. Bayraktars flying 7-8 km and even then have a radius of about 150 km and everything is limited by this. Well, I have repeatedly written to you my opinion about AI and autosearch of the target. Not today, it is expensive, difficult, unreliable, and also in general is simply counterbalanced by an inflatable model with a thermal simulator.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) Without a doubt, control points are vulnerable. Megacities too)))

                        Why juggle? Command posts are vulnerable to tactical rather than strategic weapons due to their high intrinsic radiated power. They are easy to spot and simply aim a radar missile at them.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Here I am not special - but the Israelis and Americans, who seem to be very weak with electronics and communications, work against them by mechanical destruction. If the Russian Federation has superiority in this, then yes, a garbage task.

                        With this electronics, they are just still weak. Surprisingly. In the field of electronic warfare, as far as I know, we overtake everyone quite significantly. As far as I understood those people who showed and explained this to me (and I am not an expert in radiophysics and did not understand everything) in computers we are far behind, but we are very superior in the very physical principles of communication. As the "Iranian" experience has shown - so far we are holding on))
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        5) It depends on what kind of drones the enemy will try to destroy them - if kamikaze go in echelon under the cover of high-altitude strikers - then Tunguska is false to be covered with something more serious, which is also easily destroyed

                        Well, she should be covered. S300 / 400 on long approaches, aviation and Bukami on medium ones, Torahs on close ones, Armor on midget ones. Tunguska itself is actually just the last link of such an air defense, just against the crawled small things.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        6) Helicopters are everywhere sharpened for shock functions, but the Jews used them this way

                        I once saw a video where a helicopter was shot down from a tank cannon ... It happens, but it's hardly worth focusing on.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        KAZ - the only KAZ Trophy tested in battle to date does not protect the upper hemisphere of the tank

                        Well, ours briefly showed Afghanit. We'll wait and see if they will put him in the army, and if so, where, when and how much ...
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 31
                        +4
                        1) So it seems, Amers from Nevada somehow control their drones in Afghanistan, detect - in principle, you can. If you are ready for this - shit is a question. The question is, at what height does it fit, for what it can be taken from afar, will it not, like the Syrians in 1982, shoot at the cranes, etc.
                        2) The question is - at what distance are they
                        3) Perhaps - but the Iranian experience is not the truth, the drone could fail itself, etc. Well, if we surpass, then what is it? )) All OK laughing Remaining to test the work against drones in Karabakh and in Khmeimim. EMNIP, there they are shot down from everything that shoots
                        4) That's right - a lot of smut and Dallas to cover the units even before the enemy used combat manned aircraft
                        5) Israelis haven’t come up with anything smarter yet
                        6) So I wrote about the operating systems
                      9. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 17: 43
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        like, amers from Nevada somehow control their drones in Afghanistan,

                        There is such a smart thing - the Internet. Well, or in the military sense - ZAS communication. But the question is not where exactly the operator is sitting, but where is the specific repeater from which the commands go to the drone. It is possible to transmit a signal from Africa by wire or satellite to a repeater. But this repeater should be close. For states, these are usually avaks. Some of the most expensive of their drones have satellite control, but in combat conditions this is not even funny. The X range is jammed quite simply, and the size and power consumption of the equipment make the minimum size of a drone a good fighter.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The question is, at what height does it fit, for what it can be taken from afar, will it not, like the Syrians in 1982, shoot at the cranes, etc.

                        At 7-8 km. Below, he runs the risk of running into military air defense like Os and Shells, and indeed even MANPADS. To confuse a 12-meter UAV with a bird - well, this is only the Arabs, but some Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, specialists in Tu-154 and Boeing, are not given to ours.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) The question is - at what distance are they

                        Not more than the height of the bird's flight and the height of the tower with the antenna, taking into account the curvature of the earth's surface, allow. 100-150 km for an altitude of 7-8 km. Even closer for low-altitude ones. It’s not just that the Jews use them only at the border, but risk planes to strike deep into Syria. But in any case, Iskander even officially flies 500.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) Perhaps - but the Iranian experience is not the truth, the drone could fail itself, etc.

                        Uh-huh. Confused the airfield and sat down in Iran. Himself. I was not talking about the downed one, but about the planted one)
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Well, if we surpass, then what is it? )) All OK

                        In fact, if we omit the sarcasm, then this is approximately what I am talking about to the local gentlemen all over the place.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Everything is OK. Remains to test the work against drones in Karabakh and in Khmeimim. EMNIP, there they are shot down from everything that shoots

                        And as far as I understand, it is successful, at least in Khmeimim.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        That's right - a lot of smut and Dallas to cover the units even before the enemy used combat manned aircraft

                        Well, the realities of modern warfare. Either work your head, or you will be buried. Payment for progress.
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 19: 08
                        +8
                        1) If it is muffled, bullshit is a question. The main thing is that after the first wave of drones they do not hit the jammer.
                        2) Well, then, during the advance of the units, the Tunguska and BUKs and S-400s should go forward, and after firing at drones, they should not be destroyed by any GBU-shkami of manned aircraft, KR and OTRK
                        3) Jews use them at different distances - the question is what is the goal. They work by airplanes when it is necessary to strike with the heavier one, UAVs - for liquidation, incapacitation of units of equipment, etc.
                        4) The engine could stupidly fail - it did not sit down, it seemed to have planned and landed with breakdowns, although - everything can be))
                        5) I, too, without sarcasm - if everything works, then why bother? laughing
                        6) Yes, but they shoot at Khmeimim. They do not cut down, do not plant, but shoot. Maybe somewhere they are able to interrupt the communication channel, but obviously not all homemade attack drones work this
                        7) Exactly - this is what we are talking about! UAVs are a very big smut.
                      11. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 19: 44
                        -3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) If it is muffled, bullshit is a question. The main thing is that after the first wave of drones they do not hit the jammer.

                        Do not hesitate to hit. If there is someone and what by this moment. Otherwise, we now have a widespread opinion that in any war we will silently fight off attacks sitting quietly on our territory. In my opinion, this is a somewhat optimistic approach from the "partners".
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) Well, then, during the advance of the units, the Tunguska and BUKs and S-400s should go forward, and after firing at drones, they should not be destroyed by any GBU-shkami of manned aircraft, KR and OTRK

                        Exactly. Air defense should change positions after firing, advance should be properly organized, identified airfields / OTRK / PU / artillery should be suppressed, enemy aviation should not be allowed in the air. A complex task, which our air defense looks like and is designed.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) Jews use them at different distances - the question is what is the goal. They work by airplanes when it is necessary to strike with the heavier one, UAVs - for liquidation, incapacitation of units of equipment, etc.

                        Look at the maps. East of Damascus has never been used in my memory.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) The engine could stupidly fail - it did not sit down, it seemed to have planned and landed with breakdowns, although - everything can be))

                        Uh-huh. He refused so much that he turned around, entered the airspace of Iran, flew half a hundred kilometers in it and landed at the airfield. Therefore, the Americans recognized the interception and their heads flew for this in their headquarters.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        5) I, too, without sarcasm - if everything works, then why bother?

                        Well, some of us here raise a panic ;-)
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        6) Yes, but they shoot at Khmeimim. They do not cut down, do not plant, but shoot. Maybe somewhere they are able to interrupt the communication channel, but obviously not all homemade attack drones work this

                        They planted and repeatedly. Look at the news of 15-16 years, if you don't find the beacon, I'll throw you links. I'm not saying that for everyone and always. But in combination with air defense, for a country with our technological level, drones in their current form, in my opinion, are not a threat.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        7) Exactly - this is what we are talking about! UAVs are a very big smut.

                        But not a terrible inevitable death hanging over the hopelessly backward Russian army, as is sometimes pedaled here.
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 20: 17
                        +4
                        1) Well, in such a situation, the role of drones is really secondary - protection from radiation is more important)).
                        2) How can you prevent the appearance of enemy aircraft in the air by means of air defense? They need their own strong fighter aircraft. And while you are working on drones, cheto unsympathetic air defense systems begin to fly ..
                        3) We worked - the question for what purposes (did you mean northeast)
                        4) Here I am about this - not all, not always homemade
                        5) Therefore, it is necessary to develop new tactics of warfare hi
                      13. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 20: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) Well, in such a situation, the role of drones is really secondary - protection from radiation is more important)).

                        In this case, I mean the conventional war, in which the role of OTRK and KR will be very important. But let's be honest - I don't believe in her. Probably Ukraine, but even that is unlikely.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) How can you prevent the appearance of enemy aircraft in the air by means of air defense? They need their own strong fighter aircraft.

                        Well, then its own aviation is also part of the air defense. We used to call it that way - air defense troops. And I directly mentioned it as part of the system.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) We worked - the question for what purposes (did you mean northeast)

                        Can I have an example, but I don’t remember?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) Here I am about this - not all, not always homemade

                        I honestly find it difficult to understand how you can reliably protect communications even in a factory military drone. Actually - it seems so far in any way.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        5) Therefore, it is necessary to develop new tactics of warfare

                        What for? Against who? We will have other problems in 5-7 years. Hypersound, 6th generation, space and guided energy systems. There, yes, there will be new tactics.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 21: 26
                        +3
                        1) Trample the Turks on Assad - for example
                        2) Is there superiority of our pilots over some kind of western aviation?
                        3) I read it in Israeli sources - when they wrote “flying vehicles are UAVs. When the planes were written - this is the line of Ef
                        4) I find it difficult to understand how to gouge an encrypted communication channel
                        5) Tomorrow, the pro-Turkish formations will go to Damascus with the support of the entire line of drones used in Karabakh - including the Azerbaijani kamikazes. We will not use aviation - so as not to get involved in battles with the Turks. Our actions?
                      15. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 21: 40
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) Trample the Turks on Assad - for example

                        And what, we risk 3 world because of this to arrange? Yes, his friends from NATO will roll his head before him.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) Is there superiority of our pilots over some kind of western aviation?

                        They haven't checked it for 50 years ... But judging by Syria, everything is fine with us.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I read it in Israeli sources - when they wrote “aircraft are UAVs. When the planes were written - this is the line of Ef

                        Well, I did not see the specifics. I do not deny that it is possible, but I did not come across it.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        It's hard for me to figure out how to break an encrypted communication channel

                        You don't have to break it. It is enough to drown out. The better the encryption, the more secure the channel from hacking and the more vulnerable to interference.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Tomorrow, the pro-Turkish formations will go to Damascus with the support of the entire line of drones used in Karabakh - including Azerbaijani kamikazes. We will not use aviation - so as not to get involved in battles with the Turks. Our actions?

                        Did these formations attack Khmeimim? Yes - they died. This has already happened. Did the Turks fit in? And NATO did not stop them? Yes - and the entire Turkish aviation is confused, the fleet is sinking, and half a hundred Caliber arrives in Ankara, if they are VERY lucky. Turkey is a strong country, but they still have no chances against us, even conventionally. At most someone will die in Syria, but the answer will then be remembered for 500 years as genocide of the Turkish people. No? Then it will be Assad's problems, and we will help the air defense at best. Which is likely to happen. Although, to be completely honest, it seems to me that these two - Erdogan and Putin - agreed a long time ago and are working together. Putin today said it almost in plain text, so the Turks will not climb.
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 21: 45
                        +2
                        1) No - it must be hammered conventionally and quickly
                        2) I'm talking about air battles
                        3) This even on homemade products is not always possible
                        4) All this is good - but Assad will be swept away))
                      17. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 22: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) No - it must be hammered conventionally and quickly

                        If NATO doesn’t support him, he doesn’t come out - suicide. And if it does, then why is it conventional?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) I'm talking about air battles

                        Well, what am I talking about? the last air battles with NATO aircraft were in the 60s. And who has the advantage now is difficult to say. They seem to be better with stealth, we have with the maneuverability, speed and range of missiles. All on both sides say "our army is stronger than all," but in fact it is not clear.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) This even on homemade products is not always possible

                        Well, or simply not all of the capabilities of the enemy's electronic reconnaissance are demonstrated at all. Do not forget WHO are the neighbors of Khmeimim. To shine everything there at once is probably wrong.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) All this is good - but Assad will be swept away))

                        Aliyev will be offended for nothing. For by the end of the sweeping away of Assad, our army will take Baku. Just so that it was not confusing.
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 22: 14
                        +2
                        1) If Turkey wants to sweep away Assad, it will have to quickly beat the militants, avoiding collisions with their aviation - for this you need to learn how to work against drones. Otherwise, the conflict will drag on
                        2) The last battles were in the 70th. They now have more pilot hours. Americans - carrier-based aircraft - up to 420. In the Russian Federation - up to 140.
                        3) Yes, if they wanted, they would be imprisoned once and that's it. But the Turks and the Jews would not have understood
                        4) laughing ... rather, Kiev)).
                      19. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 22: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) If Turkey wants to sweep away Assad, it will have to quickly beat the militants, avoiding collisions with their aviation - for this you need to learn how to work against drones. Otherwise, the conflict will drag on

                        Well, we have already discussed everything about the big types of bayraktars - and you won't have to learn. As for other small things - you can work in your scenario against their command post, barracks, and everything else in the rear. After all, our aviation drones are not a threat, even theoretically. When there is no one to fight, in 2-3 days, drones will be of little use.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) The last battles were in the 70th. They now have more pilot hours. Americans - carrier-based aircraft - up to 420. In the Russian Federation - up to 140.

                        one and a half dozen aircraft carriers with a wing of 50 aircraft each against one and a half dozen and that is being repaired forever? Found something to compare ...
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) Yes, if they wanted, they would be imprisoned once and that's it. But the Turks and the Jews would not have understood

                        Of course they would not. But parameters b were recorded. And analyzed. And the next time an anti-radar missile would fly in response, precisely tuned to this particular electronic warfare.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) ... rather, Kiev)).

                        Do we need that Kiev? As they say - neither wool nor sight, one meanness. There is even oil in Baku ...
                      20. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 23: 45
                        +1
                        1) I don't think a local war with Turkey will be an Easy Walk
                        2) 700 fighters - that's a lot))) Well, non-decked raids for 200
                        3) It seems to me that this is not entirely true hi
                        4) And warm))
                      21. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 23 October 2020 00: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) I don't think a local war with Turkey will be an Easy Walk

                        I don't think a local scenario is possible. And if so, the Turks have nothing that could steadily reach our territory. But we have a lot of gifts for them. Well, not all right through.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) 700 fighters - that's a lot))) Well, non-decked raids for 200

                        A lot of course. But who will let them then? Tell me more about the scenario of a non-nuclear war with the United States :-) With a 15-fold difference in military budgets))) We're not suicides after all.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) It seems to me that this is not entirely true

                        Explain the thought please.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) And warm))

                        In in)
                      22. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 October 2020 00: 45
                        +1
                        1) There are sea-based cruise missiles, the fleet is stronger than our Black Sea Fleet, aviation is at the level
                        2) I agree
                        3) electronic warfare against drones is not effective
                      23. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 23 October 2020 01: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) There are sea-based cruise missiles, the fleet is stronger than our Black Sea Fleet, aviation is at the level

                        Is he stronger in what place then? Aviation there is at the level of the Southern Federal District. This is a lot. But that's all.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) electronic warfare against drones is not effective

                        Why all of a sudden?
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  4. alexmach
    alexmach 23 October 2020 09: 37
    +2
    Otherwise, we now have a widespread opinion that in any war we will silently fight off attacks sitting quietly on our territory.

    But we are just looking at everything now through the prism of modern conflicts of "low intensity". Somehow everything happens there. Take a look at the same Karabakh. It is obvious that in a war of militarily developed states, everything should look different .. The question is how radically it will differ.

    On the other hand, the specificity of our modernity is that global confrontations are resolved, among other things, with such "conflicts of low intensity" and, in principle, it may never come to a "big war" ...
  5. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 23 October 2020 10: 07
    -1
    Quote: alexmach
    On the other hand, the specificity of our modernity is that global confrontations are resolved, among other things, with such "conflicts of low intensity" and, in principle, it may never come to a "big war" ...

    Your words, yes, as they say to God in the ears ... I will not argue, and I hope that you are right, but to be completely honest, this is unfortunately unlikely. Otherwise, gentlemen partners would not spend so much money on unnecessary strategic offensive systems.
  6. alexmach
    alexmach 23 October 2020 14: 08
    +1
    Your words, yes, as they say to God in the ears ... I will not argue, and I hope that you are right

    Well it is more like Yes. This does not in the least change the fact that it is necessary to prepare for such conflicts and to do it seriously. This is, as it were, one of the preconditions that they should not happen.
  7. Liam
    Liam 22 October 2020 19: 26
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Amers from Nevada

    Through satellite communication channels are controlled in real-line mode
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Iranian experience is not true

    The Iranians are still entertainers; they themselves and the model of the 5th generation plane made of plywood were blinded and shown as real.
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 19: 41
    +3
    Come on - let them lease a gadget that lands a UAV to Armenia hi
  9. Liam
    Liam 22 October 2020 19: 44
    +1
    They did not plant anything.The UAV fell and crashed, and they "recreated" from plywood and drove the bullshit that they planted whole by intercepting control)
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 20: 00
    +5
    Yes, I know))
    In fact, they created quite similar reconnaissance drones in appearance, they also have drone drone. The Persians are, och talented and intelligent people, just their show-offs are typical for that area and they run the country ... ahem ... not the most competent people
  11. alexmach
    alexmach 22 October 2020 18: 15
    +5
    In a combat situation, you do not need to hack it. It is enough to catch the frequencies and illuminate them with interference

    Any modern, serious military communications complex, multifrequency, transforms the range in case of interference.
    either by burning the receiver

    Burning out? How powerful should the radio signal be to burn out the receiver? Are you aiming at the electro-magnetic impulse from a nuclear explosion?
  12. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 18: 24
    -3
    Quote: alexmach
    Any modern, serious military communications complex, multifrequency, transforms the range in case of interference.

    Just like any modern electronic warfare system, it can dynamically scan frequencies and adjust interference. And at the same time, completely drown out gps without which these drones can do little.
    Quote: alexmach
    Burning out? How powerful should the radio signal be to burn out the receiver? Are you aiming at the electro-magnetic impulse from a nuclear explosion?

    I'm not talking about all the onboard electronics. This really requires an EM impulse. But the first RF stages of the receiver amplifier are generally easy to burn. Since the invention, radars have had to be protected from such phenomena by emitting their own pulses.
  13. alexmach
    alexmach 22 October 2020 22: 14
    +4
    Just like any modern electronic warfare system, it can dynamically scan frequencies and adjust interference. And at the same time, completely drown out gps without which these drones can do little.

    Well, that's what your other interlocutor was talking about. The transmitter will constantly re-tune the frequencies, and it does not have to wait for each of the channels to be drowned out, the electronic warfare will "chase" it. The question of who will be in time faster is not at all the fact that electronic warfare.
    And at the same time, completely drown out gps without which these drones can do little

    They can, they can. A normal drone can do without a flight control system and without communication with the operator.
  14. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 22: 18
    -2
    Quote: alexmach
    Well, that's what your other interlocutor was talking about. The transmitter will constantly re-tune the frequencies, and it does not have to wait for each of the channels to be drowned out, the electronic warfare will "chase" it. The question of who will be in time faster is not at all the fact that electronic warfare.

    Do you think that the potential for such a variation in a cheap UAV transmitter is endless? And how will the control center know what frequency to listen to now? And what will happen if at least one such UAV falls into the whole of electronics engineers? Indeed, in mass production, it is unrealistic to create an individual frequency profile for each copy. But what about jamming an entire frequency band? And how will the UAV distinguish the moment when jamming starts from the loss of communication for other reasons? All these questions can be solved one by one. But not cheap and not within the framework of a disposable device.
    Quote: alexmach
    They can, they can. A normal drone can do without a flight control system and without communication with the operator.

    Please give an example.
  15. alexmach
    alexmach 22 October 2020 22: 56
    +2
    Do you think the potential of such a variation in a cheap UAV transmitter is endless?

    And on what do you think it depends on this potential of variation? Well, in what frequency band is the transmitter capable of broadcasting such is the potential
    And how will the control center know what frequency to listen to now?

    Lord, they will be rebuilt at the same time according to a predetermined algorithm.
    And what will happen if at least one such UAV falls into the whole of electronics engineers?

    Nothing special. First, the idea of ​​such active restructuring is not new at all. Secondly, this restructuring can be done differently each time simply by modifying the "salt" of the random restructuring algorithm. In general, such a UAV will not surprise electronics engineers much ... no, well, here I’m playing a trick, it’s always interesting to look at someone else’s product. But they will be able to fly further after that too.
    Indeed, in mass production, it is unrealistic to create an individual frequency profile for each copy.

    I mean, not real? Choose a frequency randomly from the entire available range, from the widest. Different UAVs pick it up randomly in different ways using different "salt" for the pseudo-random number generator. Here's your custom frequency profile. To communicate with the command center, it is necessary that 1. He used the same "salt". 2 Synchronize the start time of switching frequencies. All. This was a slightly more detailed answer to your question about the connection with the PU above.
    But what about jamming an entire frequency band?

    In general, will you jam the entire radio range? Your connection too?
    And how will the UAV distinguish the moment when jamming starts from the loss of communication for other reasons?

    No way. It will simply use a new frequency for each specified time interval. And use a data loss-resistant exchange protocol. Well, in principle, if it is not possible to decipher the signal from the PU at the frequency X, then something is wrong with this frequency.
    All these questions can be solved one by one. But not cheap and not within the framework of a disposable device.

    What exactly from what I wrote above is not cheap and why? In my opinion, this is the principle used for at least 30 years in serious communication systems.
    Please give an example.

    An example of a drone? I'm not ready to confess. I am not familiar with any of them so closely, and in general it seems to me that this information is closed. But in the absence of a ZPS, the drone must be able to navigate by the inertial system. If the data of the inertial system begins to diverge significantly from the RPS, the data of the inertial system is of priority. The drone is capable of performing a flight task along a given route without communication with the operator. Walking the route - can automatically detect targets and attack.

    An example - well, at least the same cruise missiles. I understand, of course, before the CD, they perform the task without communication with the operator. I understand of course that the CD is an expensive product. The drone is its cheap, slow, small-sized version, which is also capable of automatically searching for targets and returning to base.
  16. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 23: 38
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    And on what do you think it depends on this potential of variation? Well, in what frequency band is the transmitter capable of broadcasting such is the potential

    From the type of DAC, from the antenna / antennas, from the software used at both ends, from the noise reduction ... A lot of things. And each parameter increases the cost of the design. And to work in distant ranges, in order to bypass broadband blocking, you generally need different transmitters, because the modes are too different. And pushing all this into a drone - kammikaze is economically unprofitable simply.
    Quote: alexmach
    Lord, they will be rebuilt at the same time according to a predetermined algorithm.

    And what if the electronic warfare was in time earlier, and one of the moments of synchronization did not pass, or partially passed? How to sync the algorithms again? Running the same muted frequencies over and over again? Have any complex systems in the long ranges? Everything can be done, only how much will it cost, and how brightly will the drone and its control panel glow on the radar screens in the process?
    Quote: alexmach
    Nothing special. First, the idea of ​​such active restructuring is not new at all. Secondly, this restructuring can be done differently each time simply by modifying the "salt" of the random restructuring algorithm. In general, such a UAV will not surprise electronics engineers much ... no, well, here I’m playing a trick, it’s always interesting to look at someone else’s product. But they will be able to fly further after that too.

    It is possible to define the maximum possible frequencies for the antenna. And fill the whole spectrum with noise. Or determine the peak power that an amplifier can handle. And it's corny to burn the receiver. It is not just that drones were not used much throughout the 20th century. Telecontrol technology is already 70 years old, we have been flying into space for a long time, and to other planets too, but as a military technology, telecontrol is a vulnerable G.
    Quote: alexmach
    In general, will you jam the entire radio range? Your connection too?

    Is your own connection necessarily in the same range? The drone needs RF for telemetry. And these are certain types of frequencies, without which you can interrupt by replacing somewhere low frequency, somewhere on the contrary microwave, somewhere using satellites, somewhere wires ... According to the situation. Plus, in the midst of an attack, a swarm of drones can be better off for 30 seconds without a connection than without a head?
    Quote: alexmach
    No way. It will simply use a new frequency for each specified time interval. And use a data loss-resistant exchange protocol. Well, in principle, if it is not possible to decipher the signal from the PU at the frequency X, then something is wrong with this frequency.

    Frequency is not exactly the same as a key in encryption. It cannot be changed endlessly, only within the limits allowed by the antenna physics. Let's say your transmitter antenna allows you to have a bandwidth of 10 MHz in the range 1,8-2,1 GHz. And the electronic warfare system can quietly jam the band in the same range at both 50 and 100 MHz, because generating interference is not tricky compared to a signal. Well 2, well 3 times you will change the channel. Then the transmitter will run out of options. And the electronic warfare does not - it has an antenna the size of a truck and with a PAR. The question is solved, for example, with the help of AFAR, which create a dip in the diagram in the direction of the interference source, but who will put such equipment on a disposable drone?
    Quote: alexmach
    An example of a drone? I'm not ready to confess. I am not familiar with any of them so closely, and in general it seems to me that this information is closed. But in the absence of a ZPS, the drone must be able to navigate by the inertial system. If the data of the inertial system begins to diverge significantly from the RPS, the data of the inertial system is of priority. The drone is capable of performing a flight task along a given route without communication with the operator. Walking the route - can automatically detect targets and attack.

    Follow the route - yes. And then with problems, because the ISU is subject to very big problems at low speeds due to high vibrations and turbulence. And high-precision horoscopes are not cheap either. Actually, one such device is more expensive than the entire drone. As for detecting and attacking targets, this is utopia. He can and will find it, but he will not be able to carry out competent selection. And you either get an analogue of a flying mine that hits everything that moves and is equally dangerous for your own and for others, or just an airplane flying along the route and that's it. AI for breeding is being developed, but the task is very difficult, and not cheap in terms of computing resources.
    Quote: alexmach
    An example - well, at least the same cruise missiles. I understand, of course, before the CD, they perform the task without communication with the operator. I understand of course that the CD is an expensive product. The drone is its cheap, slow, small-sized version, which is also capable of automatically searching for targets and returning to base.

    CR flies to the goal for a minute. Due to this, it is difficult to intercept - there is little time. During this time, their goal usually does not go far anywhere, and the GOS has something to attach to. And most of them, by the way, are not designed to defeat moving targets, with the exception of anti-ship missiles and self-aiming combat modules. But both are designed to defeat ships or bases where exactly all the enemies are, and UAVs in their current form are positioned more universal. If we talk about drones that fly to a given area, there they themselves catch the target and destroy, then the simplest example is OTRK. Modern ones work roughly. So compare which is more dangerous. I don't think drones are G because because. It's just that for us, or the United States, they are in their present form - the day before yesterday, the means of combating the worst threats have long been created. The UAV's tomorrow is the 6th generation of fighters. Well, we are doing this for themselves, as in the states.
  17. alexmach
    alexmach 23 October 2020 00: 24
    +2
    And what if the electronic warfare was in time earlier, and one of the moments of synchronization did not pass, or partially passed? How to sync the algorithms again?

    Do I need to synchronize them constantly? Synchronize once and then start from time. And the transmission algorithms must be robust.
    Drone needs RF for telemetry

    I don't quite understand why. Why can't the drone do the same frequency maneuver? Well, apart from hardware limitations, of course.
    Let's say your transmitter antenna allows you to have a bandwidth of 10 MHz in the range 1,8-2,1 GHz. And the electronic warfare system can quietly jam the band in the same range at both 50 and 100 MHz

    In such a situation, it goes without saying that the matter is sour, but did you leave too little for the drone's antenna? Can he increase the bandwidth 10 times? I have no idea what this will mean in terms of costs and electronics.
    As for detecting and attacking targets, this is utopia. He can and will find it, but he will not be able to carry out competent selection. And you either get an analogue of a flying mine that beats everything that moves and is equally dangerous for your own and for others

    Flying mine - in general, in my opinion, this is quite enough. The drone, according to the inertial system, enters a given area in the depth of the enemy's defense, at a certain distance from its positions, in case of loss of communication with the operator, it switches to the mode of that very flying mine. If it does not find anything, it returns back to its positions by turning off the mine mode. All. Already a useful thing for me.
  18. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 23 October 2020 00: 45
    -1
    Quote: alexmach
    Do I need to synchronize them constantly? Synchronize once and then start from time. And the transmission algorithms must be robust.

    There, and so everything is bad with the bandwidth, especially in conditions of interference. And the stability of the algorithm is ensured by multiple redundancy. That is, the channel is simply not enough for high stability. About synchronization - of course it is necessary, or you will have to work at a sliding frequency, even without interference, and this will greatly spoil the quality of communication and bandwidth.
    Quote: alexmach
    I don't quite understand why. Why can't the drone do the same frequency maneuver? Well, apart from hardware limitations, of course.

    Because the drone has 3 fundamental limitations, which are not related to electronic warfare. 1) Power. It is limited, it will not allow working in several bands at once or too wide a channel, as well as overcoming interference. The power is determined by the mass and dimensions of the antenna and the power supply. It is clear that the drone is sad here. 2) Bandwidth in the direction of Drone-> Operator. It should be big. Because along with telemetry, there is also a video stream. And you can't cram so much data into the bass. The sample rate is not enough. At least hundreds of megahertz are needed. 3) Position. The drone is forced to keep in touch for tens / hundreds of kilometers. As we have already figured out - bass is not an option. Microwave at such distances quickly goes out in the atmosphere, and the power is low. X-band satellite communications are very fond of a stable position of the transmitter, and again energy. The Americans have implemented this on the global hawk, but that's all. And it is the size of an airplane and there is no question of fighting it at all - the target is elementary.
    Quote: alexmach
    In such a situation, it goes without saying that the matter is sour, but did you leave too little for the drone's antenna? Can he increase the bandwidth 10 times? I have no idea what this will mean in terms of costs and electronics

    Well, all the communication equipment with which I worked, we will make a reservation, is purely civilian, had bands not exceeding a total width of 400-500 MNz. There are, of course, other options, but again - antennas, power, price. The fact that an antenna works well at, say, 800 megahertz, interferes more with one and a half gigahertz. Everything can be stuck in the end, but the stationary electronic warfare complex with equipment is a priori simpler, you don't need to think about either size, or energy, or cooling, or price - it's not disposable ...
    Quote: alexmach
    Flying mine - in general, in my opinion, this is quite enough. The drone, according to the inertial system, enters a given area in the depth of the enemy's defense, at a certain distance from its positions, in case of loss of communication with the operator, it switches to the mode of that very flying mine. If it does not find anything, it returns back to its positions by turning off the mine mode. All. Already a useful thing for me.

    In this form, it is called loitering ammunition. Weaknesses - to search for a target, he must fly relatively high where his AA defenses are cool, low speed compared to CD at a comparable cost, small radius, high vulnerability to false and insignificant targets due to poor selection. And also the constant risk of killing civilians if they poke around. But in this form I agree, there is a certain meaning in them.
  19. alexmach
    alexmach 23 October 2020 09: 18
    0
    Yes, thanks for the educational program and constructive conversation.
  20. alexmach
    alexmach 22 October 2020 17: 45
    +1
    Here the helicopter must be launched immediately after detection - so far nothing smarter has been invented

    I wonder how the helicopter will help? Will it fit at low speed and give what? The same missiles with an infrared head?
  21. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 19: 10
    +3
    Quote: alexmach
    Here the helicopter must be launched immediately after detection - so far nothing smarter has been invented

    I wonder how the helicopter will help? Will it fit at low speed and give what? The same missiles with an infrared head?

    The Jews tried to shoot down the Outpost with the F-16 - they missed. The Iranian was shot down from a helicopter, what - I don't know. Like rockets
  22. alexmach
    alexmach 22 October 2020 22: 16
    +1
    And another additional question. And how will he find it? Or will you visually search for a target by external guidance? And most importantly, what will happen in the event of a massive drone attack? How many helicopters will you have to lift?
  23. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 23: 35
    0
    Discovered from the ground. Has its own target tracking and recognition system. In the event of a massive drone attack, you will have to lift a dozen helicopters, massive - all Helicopter - Apache. Minced meat is Israeli. Quantity - 45 units
  24. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 24 October 2020 05: 55
    0
    everyone always considers protection to be something specific and one-sided. this is the mistake. well, just for understanding. protection from dangers also includes striking production. on logistics. operator training centers. and I'm not talking about global strikes. all. up to sabotage. protection is complex measures. which include ALL funds. and if at least one does not work the rest pours like a house of cards. Armenia has already made all possible mistakes in this war. and the fact that it has not yet ended suggests that the other side also has finite means.
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 22 October 2020 15: 30
    +2
    In Stepanakert, the guys say that they have learned to shoot down this thing with ordinary "arrows". If the first days flew in dozens, then for the last 3-4 days they were almost gone, and yesterday it became generally cloudy, they are resting. If interested, there is a video.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 15: 58
      +1
      Throw off, pliz, link
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 22 October 2020 16: 08
        0
        https://youtu.be/CSiy1FWQf8M
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 10
        +3
        Thank you - I understood two words. Ar »tsakh and Kamikaze hi
      3. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 22 October 2020 17: 18
        -1
        It was in Russian, but I can't find it, I'm digging in the browsing history
      4. Kvazar
        Kvazar 22 October 2020 21: 21
        0
        Don't look. For 27 years of the ban on Russian schools and the language in Armenia, few people know it.
      5. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 22 October 2020 21: 27
        -1
        It is not true.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 October 2020 14: 10
    +5
    Yeah, around the clock, soldiers have to look at the sky through binoculars.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 October 2020 14: 35
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      Yeah, around the clock, soldiers have to look at the sky through binoculars.

      Actually, radars have been invented for this; they just need to be adapted to detect UAVs.
    2. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 14: 56
      +8
      Quote: Vadim237
      Yeah, around the clock, soldiers have to look at the sky through binoculars.

      Better to allocate 10 people for this case, than later to collect the remains of the rest of the company and their funeral. When I watch a video in which whole crowds of soldiers cover from above at an angle of 80-90 degrees, I have only one thought - at least 1 person with binoculars who would shout to run away in time would save more people than all their air defense ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 October 2020 18: 10
        0
        "Dron run away" - and the drone exploded on approach and covered everyone with directional fragments, including those who lay down. For me, all this tracking with binoculars is empty, tomorrow there will be supersonic kamikaze drones and long-range ATGMs with high-explosive fragmentation warheads for infantry and air defense systems - will you also track them with binoculars?
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 18: 21
          -2
          Quote: Vadim237
          "Dron run away" - and the drone exploded on approach and covered everyone with directional fragments, including those who lay down. For me, all this tracking with binoculars is empty, tomorrow there will be supersonic kamikaze drones and long-range ATGMs with high-explosive fragmentation warheads for infantry and air defense systems - will you also track them with binoculars?

          What is a "supersonic kamikaze drone"? Are we discussing reality now or fiction? The closest analogy to what you said is OTRK, but they are not spent on the infantry. As for the explosion on the way - it explodes anyway. Only flies slowly. For 30 seconds while it descends - you can disperse 100 meters. Unless, of course, someone looked at the sky at least.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 10
          +1
          And the day after tomorrow is the star of death. It's about how to solve the problem today, not tomorrow.
    3. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 22 October 2020 15: 42
      +1
      This is what they do in Stepanakert. They say they cleared out the sky
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 06
        +5
        Quote: Artavazdych
        This is what they do in Stepanakert. They say they cleared out the sky

        And what are the drones doing over Stepanakert? Correcting Arta's strikes on the city target?
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 22 October 2020 17: 10
          0
          Kamikaze. About the adjustment not in the know
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 October 2020 17: 15
            +3
            Is it a city on purpose? Are they working there on military facilities?
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 22 October 2020 17: 21
              -2
              Of course, exclusively for the military. Stepanakert is almost entirely in ruins. Now there are only men left.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 October 2020 20: 03
              +4
              How rich do you have to be to be able to use drones for peace? UAV-Kamikaze - for spot work. And the charge on it is not enough to destroy an apartment building. The question is - why do they work as kamikaze in Stepanakert?
          2. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 22 October 2020 19: 48
            0
            https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/23040?single
            Today still minus the bayraktar. Needle. True, I don't know the place
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 50
    +2
    Yeah, around the clock, soldiers have to look at the sky through binoculars.

    The observer on the battlefield and in combat conditions is constant.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 23 October 2020 17: 21
      0
      The observer on the battlefield and in combat conditions is constant.

      At the last second, the soldiers see or hear the drone, try to scatter, but .......
  • Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 22 October 2020 14: 32
    -2
    Scratching your tongue on hostile Internet and putting mantras from textbooks into practice are, as they say, two big differences.
    1. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: Rudkovsky
      Scratching your tongue on hostile Internet and putting mantras from textbooks into practice are, as they say, two big differences.

      Well, judging by the current conflict, the guys from the Armenian side just scored on tactics ...
      1. Rudkovsky
        Rudkovsky 22 October 2020 15: 44
        -4
        Typical excuses in style: it's just “substitute the name” for bad and wrong fights. And the fact is that all the Soviet rust has finally lost its relevance and is now suitable for the role of targets. Like biplanes during the Second World War. Somewhere and somehow they are applicable, but in general they are no more than targets in a shooting range.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 15: 58
          +5
          Quote: Rudkovsky
          Typical excuses in style: it's just “substitute the name” for bad and wrong fights. And the fact is that all the Soviet rust has finally lost its relevance and is now suitable for the role of targets. Like biplanes during the Second World War. Somewhere and somehow they are applicable, but in general they are no more than targets in a shooting range.

          The trouble. We urgently need to cut all weapons into metal, surrender, demolish the bloody Putin, and then, together and tolerantly, the whole country will shoot himself so that it would not be costly for our partners to feed us. Ask if you wish about the history of the Arab-Israeli wars, and the role of the Soviet army in them. In short, when our military controlled our equipment, the Jews naturally snatched it off, and it was worth giving it to the Arabs, as it was also burned in hundreds. Do not graze sheep to fight, here you need a head.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 October 2020 20: 08
            +3
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Quote: Rudkovsky
            Typical excuses in style: it's just “substitute the name” for bad and wrong fights. And the fact is that all the Soviet rust has finally lost its relevance and is now suitable for the role of targets. Like biplanes during the Second World War. Somewhere and somehow they are applicable, but in general they are no more than targets in a shooting range.

            The trouble. We urgently need to cut all weapons into metal, surrender, demolish the bloody Putin, and then, together and tolerantly, the whole country will shoot himself so that it would not be costly for our partners to feed us. Ask if you wish about the history of the Arab-Israeli wars, and the role of the Soviet army in them. In short, when our military controlled our equipment, the Jews naturally snatched it off, and it was worth giving it to the Arabs, as it was also burned in hundreds. Do not graze sheep to fight, here you need a head.

            When the Soviet military used air defense, Jews were snatched away, when Soviet specialists used aircraft, Soviet specialists snatched it off.
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 20: 22
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              When the Soviet military used air defense, Jews were snatched away, when Soviet specialists used aircraft, Soviet specialists snatched it off.

              Not all, and not always ... http://www.airaces.ru/stati/arabo-izrailskijj-konflikt-boevye-dejjstviya-sovetskojj-aviacii-i-pvo-v-egipte.html
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 October 2020 21: 14
              +3
              Not all, not always, the SA air defense also suffered losses, but in general, the training of Soviet pilots was worse than Israeli. Because the air defense worked for several years in Vietnam, and the pilots, after Kozhedub in Korea, who was effective, knew how to beautifully make aerobatics.
              In your article, the number of downed adversaries is somewhat overestimated - but the conclusion is generally lost laughing
              Egypt ended the war begun with the aim of returning the Sinai without regaining the peninsula. That was it.
            3. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 21: 31
              -4
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Not all, not always, the SA air defense also suffered losses, but in general, the training of Soviet pilots was worse than Israeli. Because the air defense worked for several years in Vietnam, and the pilots, after Kozhedub in Korea, who was effective, knew how to beautifully make aerobatics.
              In your article, the number of downed adversaries is somewhat overestimated - but the conclusion is generally lost laughing
              Egypt ended the war begun with the aim of returning the Sinai without regaining the peninsula. That was it.

              And where is that Sinai now ...
            4. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 October 2020 21: 40
              +5
              Given to Egypt in exchange for:
              1) Recognition of the State of Israel
              2) Ending the war with the State of Israel
              3) Diplomatic relations with the State of Israel
              4) Annual US military aid
              After:
              in 1972, a group of military specialists from the USSR was asked from Egypt
              lost the October War in 1973
              in 1977 made peace with American mediation
              Egypt fell into the American zone of influence for 30 years
            5. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 16
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Given to Egypt in exchange for

              The only standing point is only the fourth and then with reservations. Israel was unambiguously stupid in giving Sinai. It was necessary to bargain further. It would be adequate to give somewhere half.
            6. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 23 October 2020 00: 49
              +2
              I agree. It’s just that from Israel’s side, the idealist-intellectual Begin and the same team of intellectuals were bargaining with a naked, in life, ass. From the side of Egypt - a swindling Sadat, the arbiter was a cunning American. So they gave more than what the Arabs hoped for. )))
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 23 October 2020 17: 22
    0
    And the fact is that all the Soviet rust has finally lost its relevance and is now suitable for the role of targets.

    To melt everything down and release only drones? A drone war?
  • Machito
    Machito 22 October 2020 15: 05
    +5
    Quote: oleg123219307
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Clear. One thing is clear, battle tactics will have to be significantly changed with the advent of these "kamikaze".

    Why change it then? We open the textbook on tactics, find the section "military air defense" and read. Preferably with your eyes and not your ass. Then it is highly desirable to do what you read. Be on alert CONTINUOUSLY! without smoke breaks, place air defense elements correctly, do NP around the air defense systems in threatened directions at least with 2 fighters - one with binoculars the other with MANPADS, mask equipment in parking lots, and not in the form of a lonely bush in the form of a city in the middle of the field, prepare combat positions, use layouts, but there is generally a lot of things written. In general, remember that war and computer shooters are not the same thing. And there will be no special harm from these UAVs.

    However, the conflict in Karabakh has brought a new milestone in the art of war after Syria. And Rogozin's words that we will be recruiting operators for drones among World Of Tanks players no longer sound complete nonsense. Although Rogozin is not a great specialist in computer games: the Russian game War Thunder in simulator mode is more suitable for training UAV operators. And yes, the future of the drone war, despite the countermeasures of electronic warfare, which has yet to be overcome with technical solutions. And operators for air and ground drones can be trained in thousands thanks to the Russian computer game.
    1. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 15: 10
      -1
      Quote: Bearded
      However, the conflict in Karabakh has brought a new milestone in the art of war after Syria. And Rogozin's words that we will be recruiting operators for drones among World Of Tanks players no longer sound complete nonsense. Although Rogozin is not a great specialist in computer games: the Russian game War Thunder in simulator mode is more suitable for training UAV operators. And yes, the future of the drone war, despite the countermeasures of electronic warfare, which has yet to be overcome with technical solutions. And operators for air and ground drones can be trained in thousands thanks to the Russian computer game.

      Until the little green men arrive and give some kind of quantum communication, there will be no options to overcome the interference put by a ground station with 100 kW of power using a transmitter on a 10 W drone. So the valiant Internet wars from the tundra should probably continue to train in anticipation of a miracle.
      1. Machito
        Machito 22 October 2020 15: 42
        +2
        Who knows. UAVs require narrow-beam horn antennas and AI drones to reduce data traffic. The data transmission drone rises several kilometers, the shock drones go on low level flight, and communicate with each other by narrow radio beams. Of course, the radio signal is scattered in the air, but air defense and electronic warfare will have serious problems with detecting and destroying a UAV group in this configuration.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 15: 55
          -1
          Quote: Bearded
          Who knows. UAVs require narrow-beam horn antennas and AI drones to reduce data traffic. The data transmission drone rises several kilometers, the shock drones go on low level flight, and communicate with each other by narrow radio beams. Of course, the radio signal is scattered in the air, but air defense and electronic warfare will have serious problems with detecting and destroying a UAV group in this configuration.

          The day after tomorrow. Wind, weather, atmospheric transparency windows, expensive AFARs, the problem of determining the coordinates of the addressee, suppression of geolocation signals ...
          1. Machito
            Machito 22 October 2020 20: 19
            +2
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Quote: Bearded
            Who knows. UAVs require narrow-beam horn antennas and AI drones to reduce data traffic. The data transmission drone rises several kilometers, the shock drones go on low level flight, and communicate with each other by narrow radio beams. Of course, the radio signal is scattered in the air, but air defense and electronic warfare will have serious problems with detecting and destroying a UAV group in this configuration.

            The day after tomorrow. Wind, weather, atmospheric transparency windows, expensive AFARs, the problem of determining the coordinates of the addressee, suppression of geolocation signals ...

            Need to work. We were born to make a fairy tale come true. AI needs to be developed, then radio illumination will be minimal due to a decrease in data transmission traffic.
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 20: 30
              -1
              Quote: Bearded
              Need to work. We were born to make a fairy tale come true. AI needs to be developed, then radio illumination will be minimal due to a decrease in data transmission traffic.

              In this matter, we are unfortunately lagging behind forever. AI needs a serious element base. And we cannot master 46nm in any way ... And on the market this is already the funeral of our microelectronics. Maybe the military will save something with their orders, but in this area, fundamentally, we are in the ass, unfortunately.
    2. gsev
      gsev 23 October 2020 03: 12
      +2
      Quote: Bearded
      And operators for air and ground drones can be trained in thousands thanks to the Russian computer game.

      Problem: 1- in the absence of designers capable of creating a line of drone engines and machine tools for the production of these engines. 2-lack of designers capable of creating machines and robots for the production of modern small-sized microcircuits.
      3- lack of designers capable of creating aircraft devices for drones and machine tools for the production of these devices.
      4- the lack of programmers and circuit engineers capable of creating superior drone avionics (which are available to processors and chips of NATO countries).
      Being able to play a shooter (either Russian or any other) will not solve any of these problems. Rogozin's hope for goofs spending their lives on World Of Tanks is as illusory as the fact that with less intelligence, labor and money than Musk's team, one could surpass him. It turned out that it was not even possible to hold out to the achievements of the Royal Team of the 1950s.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 22 October 2020 16: 58
    +1
    Quote: oleg123219307
    Why change it then? We open the textbook on tactics, find the section "military air defense" and read. Preferably with your eyes and not your ass. Then it is highly desirable to do what you read. Be on alert CONTINUOUSLY! without smoke breaks, place air defense elements correctly, do NP around the air defense systems in threatened directions at least with 2 fighters - one with binoculars the other with MANPADS, mask equipment in parking lots, and not in the form of a lonely bush in the form of a city in the middle of the field, prepare combat positions, use layouts, but there is generally a lot of things written. In general, remember that war and computer shooters are not the same thing. And there will be no special harm from these UAVs.

    Totally agree with you! good
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 October 2020 14: 13
    +4
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Clear. One thing is clear, battle tactics will have to be significantly changed with the advent of these "kamikaze".


    Yes, and change tactics and work out new methods to combat these devices. Moreover, until there is a serious collision with them in a real battle, it will not be possible to develop these techniques immediately. We need some kind of round-the-clock and very sensitive observation posts and suitable means of destruction, and in each unit.
  • Graz
    Graz 22 October 2020 13: 47
    0
    do not tell my sneakers, in the Caucasus the locals never really knew how to make machinery. always what G it turned out, that in Georgia, in Armenia, in Azerbaijan, hands are sharpened with the wrong end
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 52
      11
      What does nationality and locality have to do with it? There was one of the best mathematical schools in the USSR in Baku, and the hands of all Caucasians are normally sharpened - otherwise they would not have survived.
  • lucul
    lucul 22 October 2020 13: 37
    +2
    "Chasing like dogs": Azerbaijan has started mass production of new attack drones

    As our opponents say there - it would be better if they gave money to the old people, and built hospitals / schools than to create drones)))
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 October 2020 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: lucul
      "Chasing like dogs": Azerbaijan has started mass production of new attack drones

      As our opponents say there - it would be better if they gave money to the old people, and built hospitals / schools than to create drones)))

      And who will create drones and missiles if there are no schools and education, if everyone is going to be trained as managers?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 18
      -1
      I guess, yes. Better. Or do you think that our old people are chic in retirement, and schools and hospitals are in order?
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 22 October 2020 13: 38
    +3
    IMHO, there is only Azerbaijani frame, sheathing, and the assembly itself.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 13: 45
      +7
      This is now the case. Why invent a bicycle, if there is one. And I am sure that over time, with the accumulated experience, Azerbaijan will have its own local versions of these drones. The main thing is to start, believe, continue ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 13: 48
        +8
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        This is now the case. Why invent a bicycle, if there is one. And I am sure that over time, with the accumulated experience, Azerbaijan will have its own local versions of these drones. The main thing is to start, believe, continue ...

        And what is there to believe? laughing One of the best mathematical schools in the USSR was in Baku - you just need to use the potential correctly by wisely investing oil money
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 33
          +4
          I agree. With the help of Israel and Turkey, Azerbaijan seized the opportunity to develop in this direction. There are brains, there are plans, the money is also not small. I am afraid only of eastern laziness. If this is overcome, then everything will be all right yes
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 42
            +6
            And the Jews are not like Eastern and completely Nordic people lol Life will force, or a kick in the ass - anyone will start to plow to the maximum)))
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 55
              +1
              Nevertheless, many Jews came to Israel from the USA, Europe and the former USSR. These people are less prone (not all of course) to eastern laziness. hi
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 October 2020 15: 03
                +4
                So where did they get to Europe? ))))) And yours from Krasnaya Sloboda - Nisanov and others? The same oriental people, and the energy to the fig
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 15: 08
                  +4
                  But they lived in Europe, they probably took the European way to some extent)
                  By the way, Pashik jumped.
                  There will be no referendum in Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said.

                  “No, of course not. There will be no referendum in Nagorno-Karabakh. We will never agree with this. We did not agree to this during the negotiations and now, when most of the territories have been returned, this is out of the question, ”Aliyev said in an interview with the Japanese newspaper Nikkei.
                  President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev stated that he does not exclude the cultural autonomy of Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 15: 52
                    +2
                    In vain - cultural autonomy and own position under the command of Azerbaijanis would be a good solution to end the slaughter.
                    And who has Nisanov got it? laughing
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 16: 00
                      +1
                      I'm not saying that everyone is lazy, I'm talking about the majority)
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 21
              0
              Well it is more like Yes. Comrades Israelis often say that Israel is Europe. laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 23 October 2020 00: 51
                +1
                The European standard of living is in itself East-East. Music, architecture, mentality.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 01: 07
                  +1
                  And it seems to me Israel is, it happened so historically, both East and West. Well at the moment anyway.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 23 October 2020 01: 10
                    +1
                    More details - the level of development of science, medicine, education, managerial psychology, psychology in general and social science - the West. Food, architecture (old fund), music (70 percent), mentality, behavior - the East.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 22 October 2020 13: 47
      +5
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      IMHO, there is only Azerbaijani frame, sheathing, and the assembly itself.

      A friend worked at AvtoVAZ when I arrived in the first half of the 90s, even under Kadannikov, to visit a friend. In a local newspaper I read an interview with Kadannikov, where he said that "it is a matter of honor for the director of the car plant to drive the latest model of his plant." I asked a friend: "Does he really drive the 99th?" (at that time the latest model). The friend replied that it was true. Only the serial there is not even a body, as I expected. "Body shape" - the only serial that was in that 99th ...

      I would not be surprised if there is Azerbaijani - flags and inscriptions on the wings.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 October 2020 14: 44
      -2
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      IMHO, there is only Azerbaijani frame, sheathing, and the assembly itself.

      And you can count how many drones they have in service and we have. Here they showed our shot down drone, so there is just a camera set as an objective
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 13: 41
    +5
    Info by Zebre:

    Weight (with warhead) - 10 kg
    Warhead: 2 kg of explosives, 4000 striking elements
    Flight time - 2 hours
    Airspeed (IAS): 65-100 km / h
    Dive speed: 200 km / h
    Launch system: catapult
    Cancellation landing system: parachute
    Flight Ceiling: 4572 m
    Engine: electric, silent
    Start up: automatic
    Radius of action:
    • including return to base: 50 km
    • when confirming the target for striking: 80-100 km
    Zerbe can be located in the range of enemy electronic devices using GPS signal algorithm substitution and has the function of automatic return to base with the disconnection of the external signal receiving system.
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 22 October 2020 13: 54
      +3
      Judging by where it explodes, it has a non-contact radio fuse.
      There is almost no heat radiation. Itself is small, unobtrusive.
      Mercury will be effective against such an electronic warfare UAV.
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    3. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 21
      +5
      According to calculations, Azerbaijani troops are located 5-10 km from the Lachin corridor. They passed the settlement of Kulebirt on the southern side of the corridor. With such a pace, today they will take control of the road completely.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 15: 07
        +1
        Yes, it seems.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 15: 13
          +2
          I saw a story from Kulebirt. Our "Marauder" near the village ran into a mine, a wheel was blown off, everyone in the car was alive, practically not injured. The mood was fighting and everyone was determined to continue moving towards Lachin.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 15: 21
          +1
          Everyone has already reached the road. The corridor is closed.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 22 October 2020 15: 32
            0
            Tomorrow they will surrender to Trump. Checkmate.
    4. Runway
      Runway 22 October 2020 15: 05
      -1
      BSL-110. Weather. Smoke.
      This flying mine, by virtue of performance characteristics, can fly through the support zone and the main defense area (vanguard and deployed 1st and subsequent echelons at NSOU). Maybe, if they are thrown from the depths of the battalion, upon contact with the enemy, they can reach the rear area of ​​the defenders or the lines of the attacking side.
      Even if it drags the warhead as a one-time PTS with manual guidance to work on the BP / echelons / defense areas, it is not a panacea and a kbe of more than 0,5 is unlikely.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 22 October 2020 13: 46
    0
    Licensed "Orbiter".
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 02
      +2
      More like SkyStriker
      EMNIP, Zerbe was made from him
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 October 2020 14: 13
        +4

        The Skylark C autonomous mini-unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was introduced in August 2016. This is the latest version of the Skylark family of UAVs developed by the Israeli defense and electronics supplier Elbit Systems.

        In my opinion, a copy at all
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 15
          +2
          I agree, they are similar
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 38
            +2
            Wings are different, tips up and down)
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 47
              +3
              Well, yes - this is the whole highlight)))
  • iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 13: 48
    0
    Fought - had fun, counted - wept.
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  • Fungus
    Fungus 22 October 2020 14: 00
    -15 qualifying.
    These drones are good against Papuans. Against a normal army, this is a useless piece of iron. Will be shot down or burned.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 05
      +6
      Or eaten after rape, gang
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 October 2020 14: 15
        12
        In this case, these drones do group rape with the Armenian army for 23 days in a row.
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 42
        +1
        laughing laughing laughing .........................
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2020 14: 19
      +8
      Quote: Fungus
      These drones against Papuans are good
      The Armenian army left not far from them in terms of the military-industrial complex and combat training. lol
      Quote: Fungus
      Against a normal army
      Small countries will not fight against a normal army.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 26
        -1
        Quote: Greenwood
        The Armenian army left not far from them in terms of the military-industrial complex and combat training.

        Do not offend the Papuans. In general, of course, the situation is terrible. Akin to 41 years old.
    3. Rudkovsky
      Rudkovsky 22 October 2020 14: 33
      +2
      Only the United States has a "normal" army, the rest are all "abnormal" in their own way.
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 22 October 2020 15: 54
        -2
        Only the United States has a "normal" army, the rest are all "abnormal" in their own way.

        Has this army ever won a battle? After the Japanese?
        1. Rudkovsky
          Rudkovsky 22 October 2020 17: 43
          +1
          And there were those who wanted to challenge her in a big way?
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 22 October 2020 18: 06
            +1
            And there were those who wanted to challenge her in a big way?

            Yes, no one really challenges anyone for a long time.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 27
          0
          She won more than once.
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 23 October 2020 13: 27
            0
            She won more than once.

            Call ...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 13: 44
              -1
              Have you been banned in Google?
              1. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 23 October 2020 13: 45
                +1
                Have you been banned in Google?

                Here I am, too. They wrote something, but it is weak to confirm. All you have is Google to help you.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 14: 29
                  -3
                  If you are lazy, then you are weak.
  • Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 14: 13
    +5
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The engine, I think, is my own. Electronics, with 90% probability, Israeli. Although - on Chinese components, they could have bungled their own.

    Aha "own", the Turks also buy the engine from the Austrians. There is only its own assembly.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 14
      +3
      The engine is the least complex. Control, electronics, optics - these troubles
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 October 2020 14: 31
        +4
        The engine there is also not simple. It should have been extremely lightweight, with great power and economy.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 October 2020 14: 34
          +2
          Perhaps - and such a problem can be done when attracting specialists and funds?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 22 October 2020 14: 49
            +2

            The Turks admit their engines in series, when it comes to Anka and Bayraktar
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 22 October 2020 14: 16
    +1
    I wonder what they mean by increasing the impact capacity?
    Have you put in more explosives?
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 22 October 2020 14: 31
      +1
      Most likely it is.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 October 2020 14: 32
      +4
      Apparently, yes. He hits with buckshot. Added a charge to the warhead.
  • Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 14: 16
    +1
    Quote: Fungus
    These drones are good against Papuans. Against a normal army, this is a useless piece of iron. Will be shot down or burned.

    Not only against the Papuans, if their own leadership is draining their troops like Pashinyan to Armenia (air defense on vacation), then the drones are great.
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 22 October 2020 14: 23
    0
    Not a bad thing ..
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 22 October 2020 14: 45
    +4
    Quote: Vadim237
    Yeah, around the clock, soldiers have to look at the sky through binoculars.

    and what is wrong? on ships, in addition to radars, visual observation is also conducted. Even in the civilian navy, if the watch is not full to trust the radar everywhere!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 October 2020 18: 26
      +2
      But this observation on ships is not for air targets, but for the sea surface and other ships so as not to bump into or crash into someone.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 22 October 2020 15: 09
    +1
    ... Azerbaijan starts serial production of new attack drones

    Azerbaijan is already doing it. But what is it! Call someone Serdyukov already! Let the production of shock drones begin!
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 22 October 2020 15: 44
    -4
    From "Krassuha" it all falls to the ground, including the Baraktaras, in a very decent radius
  • to bite
    to bite 22 October 2020 15: 48
    -2
    Well, are there any means of struggle against these drones? What was Armenia hoping for?
  • Operator
    Operator 22 October 2020 19: 45
    0
    Already the Azerbaijanis have mastered what is beyond the power of the RF Ministry of Defense.

    We are waiting for the Papuans from New Guinea to pass ahead.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 00: 33
      -2
      Then, at the same time, we expect from Azerbaijan the 5th generation of litaks, armature, hypersound, cruise missiles, nuclear missiles and other insignificant trifles.
    2. il-z
      il-z 24 October 2020 23: 39
      0
      Don't talk nonsense, an "outpost" -type UAV was sold to us, we release it, and if they sold it to Azerbaijanis, they release it. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, if you donate / sell them shock UAVs, they will be mastered on an industrial scale.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 22 October 2020 20: 29
    +1
    What is the dispute about? - let the Armenians use the same UAV suicide bombers ...
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  • georggy
    georggy 23 October 2020 03: 40
    0
    Military happiness is changeable.
  • Axon
    Axon 23 October 2020 09: 18
    0
    We are waiting for the emergence of drones, "hunters" for drones.
  • Homeland
    Homeland 23 October 2020 11: 45
    0
    Azerbaijan has long been producing and actively using the Zerbe (Strike) strike UAVs. But for some reason, all discussions and comments are only around Israeli and Turkish drones. The network is constantly underestimating the Azerbaijani soldier and weapons.
  • garik77
    garik77 24 October 2020 00: 24
    0
    Will the tomatoes be carried to them? Azerbaijanis and drone drones of their own production sounds like an anecdote. Most likely a screwdriver assembly from other people's components