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Putin himself raised the issue of "northern territories" - Japanese press

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Putin himself raised the issue of "northern territories" - Japanese press

Putin and Abe in Vladivostok



The policy of returning the "northern territories", which was taken even under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, in relations with Russia, is preserved even under the new Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga. According to the Japanese edition of Yahoo News Japan, Russian President Vladimir Putin himself raised the problem of the "northern territories".

At the end of September, Russian President Vladimir Putin held a telephone conversation with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, in which he himself raised the territorial issue and offered to confirm the agreement to accelerate negotiations on a peace treaty based on the 1956 Soviet-Japanese declaration. In 2018, Putin and Abe held talks in Singapore and agreed to take as a basis the declaration, which refers to the transfer of the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan after the signing of a peace treaty. The parties also agreed to speed up the negotiations.

This proposal came as a surprise to Japan, the newspaper writes. Thus, Russia itself has confirmed the course taken even under Abe to return first two islands, and then all the "northern territories."

It is very important for Tokyo that it was Putin who raised this problem, and not Suga, since earlier the initiative came more often from Japan, Russia did not react to proposals to return the territories.

Deputy Secretary General of the Japanese Cabinet of Ministers Naoki Okada, who was present during the conversation between Putin and Sugi, limited himself to a statement:

There was a conversation about confirming the agreements. I don’t want to give details, but the parties came to an agreement that negotiations should be accelerated


Comments from Japanese readers:

Russia is no different from the DPRK and South Korea. Pretends to return and set conditions. And this is repeated several times. Russia is simply bothering Japan, hinting at a return. But she is not going to give the islands


Last year, South Korea surpassed Russia in terms of GDP, although its population is half that. Russia is on the verge of collapse. Japan has already put in enough effort, so that's enough. It is necessary to break off economic cooperation and negotiate tougher


Russia does not want to give up the islands! It is moving closer to Japan due to the collapse of the ruble in connection with the annexation of Crimea. Putin raised the territorial issue because he wants to export salmon, caviar and crabs from the Southern Kuriles to Hokkaido. This will help maintain military bases. There is no reason to give the islands at all


Putin felt a response on the phone - the perfect chance to appease Suga. Perhaps he will remove Japan from the red list and set other traps. It is useless for an amateur in the field of diplomacy Suga to compete with Putin, who has seen a lot in his lifetime


Putin has already announced in Russia that the territorial problem has been resolved. In the South Kuriles, they are implementing a demographic policy and strengthening the military power of the islands. Doesn't Suga realize that this is bait to get help from Japan? The DPRK is also acting on the issue of the kidnapping of the Japanese. For Russia, there are no advantages in the return of territories


Idiocy. Hopefully Suga doesn't take this bait. In any case, Japan gives money in Russian-Japanese diplomacy. Russia has no money. Putin only proposes a scheme that uses a spoon to fuel public opinion in Japan. The Japanese money will then be divided between Japanese and Russian officials
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 22 October 2020 08: 56
    19
    Thus, Russia itself has confirmed the course taken even under Abe to return first two islands, and then all the "northern territories."
    The only thing that Russia has confirmed is its desire to conclude a peace treaty. Although I don't understand why we need it. Everything else is the speculation of journalists.
    And in general, Chubais asked to retire yesterday - this is news. Seems to have grabbed that there is nowhere else to fold, the muzzle is red. And the series with the Japanese peace treaty is already fed up.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 October 2020 08: 58
      12
      Quote: Lesovik
      And in general, Chubais asked to retire yesterday - this is news.

      Give Chubais nanopension !!! yes
      And at the expense of the Kuriles: if this is true, then one can only hope that Putin is thereby trying to keep the Japanese in good shape - there should be a carrot in front of their nose! yes
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 22 October 2020 09: 00
        18
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Give Chubais nanopension !!

        And also a roof over your head, feeding at the expense of the state and so that the sky in the box and striped clothes are mandatory.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 22 October 2020 09: 08
          +4
          And health-improving work in the fresh air. There are a couple of wonderful places beyond the Arctic Circle.
          1. kenig1
            kenig1 22 October 2020 09: 29
            0
            Sewing mittens.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 22 October 2020 09: 31
              +3
              No. The trees felled by poachers should be put back on stumps.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 23 October 2020 22: 17
                +1
                In 2018, Putin and Abe held talks in Singapore and agreed to take as a basis the declaration, which refers to the transfer of the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan after the signing of a peace treaty.

                What nonsense.
                I heard about the proposal to use the islands together.
                There was no such thing about the transfer of the islands to Japan.
                Putin should raise the issue of lying in the Japanese media so that later, when (if) the peace treaty is signed, Russia would not be accused of lying
            2. hrych
              hrych 22 October 2020 10: 58
              +3
              Quote: kenig1
              Sewing mittens.

              Here is an interesting question. And let's not forget about conspiracy theories. This person was the representative of the Bilderberg Club in the Russian Federation and a position in Rusnano to cover the activities of the representative office. Rusnano was created as a joint stock company engaged in investments. But for some reason, 100% of the shares ... belong to the state. Already delirium. There Chubais and the CEO and chairman of the board. The assets are managed by a certain Rusnano Management Company LLC. The chairman of the board is Chubais again. The structure of Rusnano includes the Fund for Infrastructure and Educational Programs, and the chairman of the board .... of course Chubais. The investments were in bankrupts, i.e. companies specially created for this, also in fact, the company was engaged in laundering and legalization of funds and unjustified receipt of VAT refunds from the budget during export-import operations. What is happening here, we can only guess. But the interests of the Russian Federation in the EU in strategic areas did not suffer, so we feel free to consider the activities of the Club's Representative Office useful. The sanctions ran into counter-sanctions and the EU received a tangible direct loss and a complete loss of the market in the Russian Federation for agricultural products, mechanical engineering, etc. As a result of the failure of the economic war and the fact that the nuclear and hypersonic achievements of the Russian Federation overlooked, they apparently decided to leave Chubais. We are waiting for a demonstrative execution, in the form of an accident or illness.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 October 2020 11: 27
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            And health-improving work in the fresh air. There are a couple of wonderful places beyond the Arctic Circle.

            He is also a monument - "the foreman of perestroika"
        2. times
          times 22 October 2020 16: 09
          16
          Quote: Lesovik
          And also a roof over your head, feeding at the expense of the state and so that the sky in the box and striped clothes are mandatory.

          Another would be to attach his family there, as relatives of the Enemy of the People
        3. Russobel
          Russobel 25 October 2020 22: 19
          0
          and so that the sky in the box and striped clothes are necessary.

          Not the essence, and vice versa.
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 22 October 2020 09: 29
        +9
        The problem of the "northern territories" does not exist! This "problem" was solved back in Yalta and the UN imposed a corresponding resolution! What other questions and speculations on this topic can be? As for the declaration of 56, let's leave it on the conscience of the adventurer Khrushchev!
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 22 October 2020 09: 37
          0
          Quote: Proxima
          The problem of the "northern territories" does not exist! This "problem" was solved back in Yalta and the UN imposed a corresponding resolution!

          So Russia does not have this problem! This is Japan's problem: how to get the Kuril Islands back. Russia can help Japan solve this problem once and for all: send them on an erotic journey! The only pity is that our president is too cultured. yes
          1. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 22 October 2020 11: 08
            +1
            The problems were finally resolved after the defeat of Japan, and it makes no sense to give the Japanese hope for the return of the islands, especially now, when the exploitation of these territories will bring more profits for the country than our rulers want to receive from Japan ...
      3. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 23 October 2020 14: 03
        0
        everything is trite .. Putin is ready to give up two islands and that's all .. the Japanese want 4 islands .. as soon as they blurt out about "return all the islands", ours will wrap them up and everything is new again ..
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 22 October 2020 09: 36
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      Everything else is the speculation of journalists.

      Exactly! During the negotiations, VVP only put in a drawer a large souvenir bolt, presented to him by the builders of the Crimean bridge, which lay on the unfolded map of the world and prevented him from seeing Japan on it. And they already: "Raised the question! Raised the question!"
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 October 2020 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      And in general, Chubais asked to retire yesterday - this is news.

      At least one good news for 29 years.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 22 October 2020 11: 14
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      The only thing that Russia has confirmed is its desire to conclude a peace treaty.
      As I understand it, for nippons, any offer is a hint of "northern territories" "phantom pains" ...
    5. dgonni
      dgonni 22 October 2020 12: 00
      0
      If the redhead asked for a pension, it means that there is no money, there is nothing to cut, there is nothing to hold on to the post. It's time to blame! So this is the selyavi
    6. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 22 October 2020 14: 59
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      The only thing that Russia has confirmed is its desire to conclude a peace treaty. Although I don't understand why we need it. Everything else is the speculation of journalists.
      And in general, Chubais asked to retire yesterday - this is news. Seems to have grabbed that there is nowhere else to fold, the muzzle is red. And the series with the Japanese peace treaty is already fed up.

      The series, like Santa Barbara, without a visible ending, can only be stopped)) laughing
      The absence of American bases in Japan, an option for Japan is unrealistic, and the Americans will not agree.
      And Chubais is not retiring, but felling the forest
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 October 2020 08: 58
    +4
    Some kind of nonsense. Information from where? From the Japanese media? Fake, probably.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 22 October 2020 09: 18
      0
      At 12, Putin told reporters the following.
      “We, as judokas, must make bold steps, but in order to win and not lose. In this situation, oddly enough, we should not seek any victory. In this situation, we must find an acceptable compromise. This is something like "hikivake" ... I hope we will nevertheless find common ground that will allow us to move on in solving this problem. ... Let’s do this, when I become president, we will assemble our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, put the Japanese Ministry on the other side and give them the command: "Hajime!" ("Start!") "
      Source IA REGNUM.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 22 October 2020 09: 49
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Some kind of nonsense. Information from where? From the Japanese media? Fake, probably.

      Our media also write sometimes such that the Internet turns red, and the paper burns, but still I somehow believe in ours more than in Japanese -
      15.09.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX IA REGNUM

      Vladimir Putin:
      "The Kuril Islands are under the sovereignty of Russia, and in this part it does not intend to discuss anything with Japan ... This is enshrined in international law, this is the result of World War II"
      And more
      Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov:

      “As for the islands, the answer is very simple: read the new Constitution. There is an unequivocal answer - I mean the latest amendments. "
      Most likely, the Japanese simply say to themselves: "Halva, halva, halva ...."

      The media is the case ... Read the British - we have poisoned the whole world with "Novichok", the Azerbaijani ones - they have already destroyed the Armenian Army 7 times and "liberated" Karabakh 5 times, the Ukrainian ones - for the seventh year they have heroically resisted all the aggression of the Russian army and the whole world is protected from Russia ...
      So are the Japanese ...

      Let's wait, what will say at least Lavrov.
  3. Mytholog
    Mytholog 22 October 2020 09: 02
    -1
    They will receive ears from a dead donkey, not the South Kuril Islands. Previously, you had to be more accommodating, but now the train has already left.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 October 2020 09: 26
      +4
      What are the advantages to you, and what does it mean before? That is, if the Japanese promise you something, then you would not mind trading land with the blood of our ancestors?
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 22 October 2020 10: 54
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        What are the advantages to you, and what does it mean before? That is, if the Japanese promise you something, then you would not mind trading land with the blood of our ancestors?

        Dear, you your nonsense from your sore head to my healthy one - do not even try to shift it.
        I said quite bluntly: they will get ears of a dead donkey. How did you manage to get these words wrong? Just a super liar, talent))
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 22 October 2020 09: 30
      +1
      Let first 50 tons of tsarist gold be returned, with interest it is probably 400 billion, and then they stutter about a peace treaty, otherwise they do not consider the USSR the legal successor of tsarist Russia, and the USSR took the islands from them by the right of victors, Russia then why for these islands whine? And then gold and money is not just like that, these are social relations, in short they behave like scammers, and want some kind of normal relationship, debts must be paid by ourselves and then demand something.
  4. Alexander Sayapin
    Alexander Sayapin 22 October 2020 09: 10
    +4
    Why about Putin's course on "peace according to model 56" do we learn from the Japanese media? If this is a lie - let Putin refute it himself. The people are worried ...
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 22 October 2020 09: 49
      +2
      Should the head of state present a refutation for every foreign article?
  5. askort154
    askort154 22 October 2020 09: 10
    +4
    Comments from Japanese readers

    Well, why do we need them ?! negative
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 October 2020 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: askort154
      Comments from Japanese readers

      Well, why do we need them ?! negative

      Indeed, we need to show our comments to the Japanese ... then they will understand that their business is futile, disastrous and dangerous laughing
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 22 October 2020 09: 11
    +2
    I should have said NO right away! Is it hot or cold because the peace treaty is not signed? The Japanese need a treaty, because They will not climb to conquer, but the threat of flooding, volcanic eruptions and other natural "delights" here it is, next to it! They need to run somewhere, but the Russians don't. So let them think while there is still time.
  7. Far B
    Far B 22 October 2020 09: 14
    +6
    A. Once again, the Overton window was slightly opened for airing. Now it is Putin who has tried. Something often in recent years, this window opens slightly. And you don’t need to tell me that "Putin has never and for nothing" - he has already been noticed in what "and when, and for what." Just two years ago, the people really started to rage, in the Southern Kuriles and in Yu-Sakhalinsk they went to rallies on this occasion. Then the topic was hushed up quickly - after the scandalous retirement reform, it was dangerous for our celestials to come out with such an initiative. Now what is another attempt? If so, then the moment was not chosen either, the mood among the people is not the most loyal.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 22 October 2020 09: 21
      -2
      Quote: Dalny V
      Now it is Putin who has tried.

      Do you believe everything they write? Moreover, what the Japanese media write about the Kuril Islands? I used to believe too, though for a long time, and then I looked behind the fence, and there ... the firewood was lying.
      1. Far B
        Far B 22 October 2020 09: 39
        +7
        I already wrote here, on the forum, but especially for you I will repeat: "If you wanted to close [the issue of the South Kuriles] forever, they would. Without any peace treaty." Because the peace treaty in the mouths of our powers that be - this is exactly the reason to open the Overton window. But in fact, he nafig didn’t fit anyone - we and without any agreement perfectly trade with yapas and timber, and seafood, and so on.
        PySy. But you hardly looked behind the fence, no need to la-la. Because according to your posts, it is quite obvious that you just believe everything that the domestic pro-government media write (and say). Or it is beneficial for you to pretend that you believe in it. However, it makes no difference to me what you believe in - even in firewood, even in the word on the fence.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 22 October 2020 10: 06
          -4
          Quote: Dalny V
          I already wrote here, on the forum, but especially for you I will repeat: "If you wanted to close [the issue of the South Kuriles] forever, they would. Without any peace treaty."

          So from our side this issue is closed. No?
          It is for the Japanese side that two issues are linked together - the Kuril Islands and the peace treaty. Not for us.

          Quote: Dalny V
          Because according to your posts, it is quite obvious that you just believe everything that the domestic pro-government media write (and say).

          If I do not throw mud at Russia and everything connected with it, this does not mean at all that I believe everything that is written by the "domestic pro-government media". There were moments when I caught the lie of my "native", now a former governor, on the air and was not too lazy to get through on this air. You know, a very interesting effect was obtained. But it is precisely during verification that it most often turns out that it is the "domestic pro-government media" that lie much less than the rest. And certainly no more than the Japanese.
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 22 October 2020 09: 43
      +6
      After his words about the constitution, about the retirement age, his words are absolutely false.
  8. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 22 October 2020 09: 17
    0
    Russia is an integral and indivisible country, any negotiations on the alienation of any Russian territories are insignificant. We were already cut twice in the last century, first by the communists, then by the democrats-perestroika, as long as possible.
  9. kit88
    kit88 22 October 2020 09: 22
    +8
    The Japs have become extremely smart. Everyone understands that they will not see the islands as their own ears.
    Here's a sane comment too:
    The Japanese money will then be divided between Japanese and Russian officials
  10. Ka-52
    Ka-52 22 October 2020 09: 25
    +3
    Russia on the verge of collapse

    do not care, vodka, toilette and buckwheat have stocked up since spring laughing wassat
    Putin raised the territorial issue because he wants to export salmon, caviar and crabs from the South Kuriles to Hokkaido

    woke up, narrow-eyed. All seafood delicacies have been transported directly to Japan for 20 years. We in Russia eat "crab" meat only in the form of crab sticks recourse
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 October 2020 09: 32
    +2
    Judging by the Japanese comments, they have no more than an idea of ​​Russia in the 90s.
    in Russian-Japanese diplomacy, money comes from Japan. Russia has no money
    Much money gave Japan and what for? If for joint projects, then it is mutually beneficial. Russia should not be confused with Ukraine, which is constantly with an outstretched hand. And it's time to learn that the Japanese will not get the islands, no matter how they try to threaten and grimace on the Internet.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 October 2020 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      the Japanese will not get islands
  12. iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 09: 43
    +1
    A referendum on changing articles of the constitution is coming?
  13. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 22 October 2020 09: 53
    +3
    Anecdote of Soviet times:
    A man is sitting, reading Izvestia
    - Yes ..., Man is not calm, Honduras has been bothering me lately ...
    - Wan, don't you scratch him.

    I also wanted our officials to have Honduras, that is, the Kuriles not to be bothered or scratched.

    I think that the reason for drilling the Japanese was still given from our side!

    Regarding the statements of the Japanese about our economic cooperation, I would like to clarify what it is and where is it?
  14. comradChe
    comradChe 22 October 2020 10: 37
    +4
    To begin with, I would like to recall the paragraph of the article of the constitution with the adopted amendments. And so: 2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (except delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states), aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed.

    Source: http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-3/st-67-krf
    The defining word is delimitation. What is it?
    Border delimitation - the contractual definition of the border line and its drawing on the map with a detailed description of its passage along specific natural or artificially chosen landmarks and characteristic features of the terrain.
    The defining word is negotiable.

    That's it!
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2020 11: 14
      -1
      Abe has already left ...
  15. tatra
    tatra 22 October 2020 10: 42
    0
    Putin will never reach what has long been understood by everyone, that the Japanese do not need a peace treaty without transferring the islands to them. And each time, inviting them to sign a peace treaty, he only encourages the Japanese to demand the transfer of the islands to them even more impudently.
    1. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 22 October 2020 11: 29
      0
      By the way, what does the new constitution say about this now?
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 22 October 2020 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Nikolay1987
        By the way, what does the new constitution say about this now?

        Like what? Zeroed for life is not subject to jurisdiction ... winked

        tatra (Irina)
        Putin will never reach what has long been understood by everyone, that the Japanese do not need a peace treaty without transferring the islands to them. And each time, inviting them to sign a peace treaty, he only encourages the Japanese to demand the transfer of the islands to them even more impudently.
        Don't hold him for a fool, he understands everything. Why deliberately tease the Japs ... mmm ... one can only guess ((.
        1. tatra
          tatra 22 October 2020 12: 39
          -3
          This song will be endless. Putin to the Japanese -and let's sign a peace treaty, the Japanese -and let's just give us the Kuril Islands first.
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 22 October 2020 12: 44
            0
            Irina, in this corrupt world, everything has its price and the song may end if the customer turns out to be accommodating (satisfied) .. But who is the customer and why, everything is still vague ...
          2. Nikolay1987
            Nikolay1987 22 October 2020 13: 19
            0
            Quote: tatra
            will be endless

            I like good
            1. tatra
              tatra 22 October 2020 13: 56
              0
              And how are you satisfied with the constant senseless return to the theme of the Kuril Islands?
              1. Nikolay1987
                Nikolay1987 22 October 2020 14: 18
                +1
                I am not satisfied with the return to the topic, but the fact that at THIS TIME (endless) the islands are ours and there is not a single reason to give them away or give them away partially.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 22 October 2020 14: 33
                  0
                  That is why Putin should NOT constantly raise the topic of signing a peace treaty. Because the answer of the Japanese will always be the same - first the islands, then the peace treaty.
  16. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 22 October 2020 13: 29
    -4
    There is an article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, under which this post falls; if I were the administrators of this resource, I would filter all these publications of comments, it is not clear where they came from. I sent the link for verification.
  17. georggy
    georggy 22 October 2020 18: 52
    -1
    Everything is bargaining, all money is not enough. When already drunk.
  18. Shadow041
    Shadow041 22 October 2020 20: 54
    +1
    If Putin gives up the Kuril Islands, or part of them to Japan, he should no longer be told that he is a patriot of the Russian Federation, but rather a vassal of NATO in the Russian Federation, the Occupation Administration.
  19. Gunther
    Gunther 23 October 2020 11: 11
    +2
    Quote: Author
    In 2018, Putin and Abe held talks in Singapore and agreed to take as a basis the declaration, which refers to the transfer of the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan after the signing of a peace treaty ..... Deputy Secretary General of the Japanese Cabinet of Ministers Naoki Okada limited himself to a statement:

    There was a conversation about confirming the agreements. I don’t want to give details, but the parties came to an agreement that negotiations should be accelerated


    Well, it was not for nothing that a vague clause on "demarcation" was hammered into the new Constitution, although it could be clearly stated that the reduction of the territory of Russia was unacceptable - this would exclude backstage negotiations on the transfer of the islands to Japan.
  20. Sibguest
    Sibguest 23 October 2020 12: 03
    0
    "Putin himself raised the issue of the" northern territories "...
    I approached the map of RUSSIA and touched the Russian Kuriles and raised the issue of the sanity of the Japanese.
  21. Selevc
    Selevc 23 October 2020 12: 08
    +1
    Putin raised the territorial issue because he wants to export salmon, caviar and crabs from the Southern Kuriles to Hokkaido.
    Why would Putin want Hokkaido and the Japanese market in general - when there is a Chinese market nearby with almost one and a half billion consumers ??? - sell even fish, even crabs, even caviar !!! It can be seen that VVP is too fond of flirting with the "good neighbor" !!!
    But this is how it should be - today we met with the Japanese - we did not sign a peace treaty - tomorrow we give quotas for catching fish and crabs to China and Japan a fig and butter !!!

    Then maybe the Japanese will move - it's just that many in the West and the East do not understand the negotiation agreements !!! They consider the very fact of such negotiations to be Russia's weakness !!!
  22. Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 24 October 2020 08: 15
    -1
    Under the pretext of joint development, it will try to sell them (TOP)