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Should Russia interfere militarily in the Karabakh conflict and what is the price of non-interference: reasoning and facts

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Russia can respond to the ongoing armed conflict in Karabakh by sending troops to Armenia. This is stated in the State Duma of the Russian Federation. But what are the consequences of such an intervention?


Konstantin Zatulin, first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots, allowed a landing operation to transfer units and subdivisions of the Russian army to Armenia. The deputy, by the way, does not represent the Liberal Democratic Party, known for its harsh statements, but United Russia, so his words should be treated carefully.

Apparently, now in the Russian power circles the dominant point of view is non-interference (in military terms) in the conflict and the maximum refraining from any decisive actions that would make it possible to say that Russia supports one of the parties. But there is another position: Russia, it seems, should help Armenia, since the victory of Azerbaijan will lead to the strengthening of Turkey's positions in the region, to the possible penetration of militants from the Middle Eastern radical groups into the Russian Caucasus.

Is it worth really interfering in the Karabakh conflict? If so, then only in the role of peacekeepers. Russia cannot afford to openly accept one of the parties to the conflict. Armenia has very close ties with our country, is a member of the CSTO and the EAEU, the Armenian population in Russia is even more numerous than the Azerbaijani.

But relations with Azerbaijan have evolved throughout the post-Soviet decades not so badly; a large number of Russian and Russian-speaking citizens still live in this country, and Russian schools operate. Russia, in turn, has an impressive Azerbaijani diaspora, plus its own large Muslim population with understandable sympathies. Open interference on the side of Armenia will result in unpredictable consequences for relations with Azerbaijan, and it will not add to the internal stability of our country.

However, the current situation shows: Azerbaijan does not intend to retreat from its original position and in this it is actively supported by Turkey, which is pursuing an increasingly aggressive foreign policy. Against Azerbaijan and Turkey, Karabakh, even if Armenia comes to its aid, cannot withstand. And one cannot but agree with those politicians who see in Azerbaijan's victory the opening of the gates for Turkish expansion in the post-Soviet space.

But Russian troops should not fight against the Azerbaijani army. This is out of the question. The only possible scenario for the development of events, if the parties to the conflict do not come to a peace agreement, can only be the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent and delimitation of the parties to the conflict.

Russia must prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in Karabakh, and if Azerbaijan does not stop, then there will be no other way out but to send Russian troops there to conduct a peacekeeping operation. Otherwise, NATO "peacekeepers" - the French and the Americans - will appear in Transcaucasia, and this will be completely different история... This is exactly how, apparently, individual politicians in the State Duma think.

The presence of Russian troops in Karabakh would exclude the possibility of the entry of Turkish troops there, who could support American or European "peacekeepers" who, under the guise of a peacekeeping mission, are able to establish their positions in the Transcaucasus.

It is worth recalling that the lack of initiative on the part of Russia in the long run will lead to the fact that Armenia will no longer turn to Moscow for help, but to Washington and Paris. Does our country need it? Therefore, speaking about the consequences of military intervention in the conflict, one must understand: either Russia retains its position of a great power and the status of the main player in the post-Soviet space, or it loses these positions and Ankara, Washington, Paris, but not Moscow, will rule in Transcaucasia.
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 22 October 2020 15: 13
    15
    "Russia must prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in Karabakh"
    Azerbaijan should.
    Fully his area of ​​responsibility.
    1. credo
      credo 22 October 2020 15: 29
      21
      Quote: Livonetc
      "Russia must prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in Karabakh"
      Azerbaijan should.
      Fully his area of ​​responsibility.

      Still, I would like to understand the meaning of this initiative - the transfer of Russian troops to Armenia is completely within the framework of the current legislation and does not violate any borders, but the transfer of troops to Karabakh is a completely different matter, since Azerbaijan did not ask Russia about it.
      For weeks I had to read an article about what they write and what the Armenian media say about the situation in Karabakh and about the role of Russia in its settlement. So the author of the article writes that the Armenian media write and talk a lot about the war in Karabakh and about the POSITIVE AND IMPORTANT ROLE OF FRANCE AND THE USA IN THE RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE. They write about Russia casually and sparingly, and here we (in the media and on TV) are torn as if Pashinyan and the company are waiting for us there with open arms.
      If this is really so, then what is Mr. Zatulin counting on when he comes up with such an initiative and where is he going to transfer Russian units and who officially invites us as peacekeepers?
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 22 October 2020 15: 36
        +2
        I dare to post my own comment, which was already in another topic. But with some changes and cuts.

        In short, what Zatulin said is a little more detailed.

        MOSCOW, October 22 - RIA News. First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots Konstantin Zatulin, in an interview with the NSN, did not rule out that one of the options for Russia's response to the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh could be a landing.
        According to the deputy, the peace in the region was violated by Azerbaijan and Turkey, so they should be reminded which state remains the leader in the post-Soviet space. At the same time, he admitted that he was not sure exactly how Moscow should act, but he named the landing operation among the possible options.


        "In the form of a demonstrative strengthening of the military potential of Armenia. In the form of an appeal to the CSTO because of the need to take measures to protect the Armenian - not Nagorno-Karabakh, but the Armenian territory through a landing operation. By opening the air blockade"



        And he added that if need be, Russia should explain to Georgia, what :
        "The necessary forces and means will be sent to Armenia through its airspace."


        The deputy stressed that this is a forced decision.

        https://ria.ru/20201022/karabakh-1580923410.html
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 22
          22
          Quote: BDRM 667
          And he added that, if necessary, Russia should explain to Georgia that:
          "The necessary forces and means will be sent to Armenia through its airspace."
          The deputy stressed that this is a forced decision.

          provocateur. A hit on an independent and unfriendly state will end badly for us. It's bad when, instead of thinking, show-off.
          Quote: BDRM 667
          Azerbaijan and Turkey violated peace in the region

          precisely according to such assessors.
          1. saigon
            saigon 22 October 2020 16: 47
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            And you know Sylvester and the grain of rational in the thought of Edros deputy has a place to be.
            He quite correctly suggests using the conflict in the interests of the majority of Russian citizens.
            To form airborne units from the Yedra deputies who voted in unison for the pension reform and urgently land them on a no-man's-land between the sides of the war, and all must be fired in both directions. These can achieve many goals
            1 show determination to support (who does not matter)
            2 Warn anyone and from anything (again, it doesn't matter who and from what)
            3 And the most important thing is to raise the Edrosov rating.
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 October 2020 18: 24
              +7
              Quote: saigon
              1 show determination to support (who does not matter)
              2 Warn anyone and from anything (again, it doesn't matter who and from what)
              3 And the most important thing is to raise the Edrosov rating.

              4. And reduce their number.
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 26 October 2020 19: 27
            +2
            precisely according to such assessors.

            For this irresponsible chatterbox, the answer has already been posted:
            I find it difficult to even guess what Konstantin Zatulin meant when he spoke about the opening of the air blockade, - the ex-head of the anti-terrorist unit of the KGB of the USSR and the FSB of the Russian Federation, retired colonel Vladimir Lutsenko, who was directly involved in the Nagorno-Karabakh military conflict, shared his thoughts with the publication on the eve of the collapse of the USSR. - Maybe he has some calculations on this from our General Staff, but I have no idea what can be done there. To bomb Georgia so that it does not block flights? Bomb Iran, bomb Turkey? To bomb Azerbaijan itself? Either way, it sounds fantastic. Perhaps he was somehow misunderstood, because usually he speaks very soberly and balanced.


            "SP": - Zatulin believes that Georgia just needs to be clearly explained - the decision to send Russian forces and funds to Armenia through its airspace is forced, because otherwise the militants will spread throughout the Caucasus and this will suffer, including Georgia itself ...
            - Let's first figure it out - can you really explain anything to Georgia? Especially in this situation? Does anyone still harbor such a naive hope? As for the argument with the spread of militants across the Caucasus - my God, what kind of militants, what is the conversation about? What is this couch reasoning?
            There is a historical conflict, two peoples clashed firmly. When I was in Stepanakert, they called me from Moscow and asked what other military units and forces were needed. I said back then - guys, we don't need military men here, we need doctors - psychologists, psychiatrists. People were simply driven to unimaginable despair by all this lump of lies, mistrust, anger. In this conflict, no one is able to do anything from the outside, until the local elites themselves, as they say, reach.

            "SP": - It turns out that Russia does not need to get involved in this conflict in any way?
            “Perhaps I don’t understand something, then let people like Konstantin Zatulin correct me and enlighten me, but, in my opinion, the stupidest thing that Russia can do now is to directly get involved in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. We have already drunk this bitter cup once. Even on the eve of the collapse of the Union, our military contingent in the Nagorno-Karabakh region numbered almost 30 thousand people. More was only in Afghanistan. Our guys were sitting in the trenches near Stepanakert, just trying to divide the warring parties, but this did not lead to anything. Mistrust, anger and hatred grew like a snowball, because the main detonators of the conflict were equally the elites of both Armenia and Azerbaijan. Each side believed that we, by deceiving it, supported the enemy, therefore, not only spits and stones, but also grenades flew at us both from there and from there.

            https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/279320/
            - Historically, there were many Armenian villages in Azerbaijan, and in Nagorno-Karabakh, accordingly, there were many Azerbaijani ones. This region was common in the economy of the two then republics, and everything was fine. And suddenly, in 1987, Academician Aganbegyan spoke at one of the French cemeteries and declared - now perestroika, Mikhail Gorbachev and I discussed everything and decided to give Karabakh to Armenia. In the KGB, our hair stood on end from such words! In Armenia, demonstrations took place right there, a little later, similar demonstrations began in Nagorno-Karabakh itself. People knelt down, chanted "Lenin - party - Gorbachev" and "Let's join!", But this turned out to be childish babble compared to what began later.


            "SP": - And what about Gorbachev? According to the recollections of Georgy Shakhnazarov, available in open sources, he regarded the situation in Karabakh as "a blow in our back" and called on the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan to "show civic maturity."
            - And Gorbachev generally behaved colossally. Ligachev comes to Baku and says - everyone, guys, we have made a decision, you are indivisible, no Karabakhs. At the same time, the General Secretary of the Central Committee arrives in Yerevan and declares - guys, now the ink on the paper will dry out, and I will bring you a decree on the annexation of Karabakh.
            We, of course, tried to do something in conjunction with the Azerbaijani KGB, but even then the party bodies gradually began to lose power, and indeed all bodies, as they say, fell apart.

            https://svpressa.ru/post/article/279493/
        2. fif21
          fif21 22 October 2020 16: 42
          +1
          Quote: BDRM 667
          The deputy stressed that this is a forced decision.

          And who will perform it? This edoros mocks WBD. And if sent by order, I would have terminated the contract with the MO. hi
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 07
        13
        Quote: credo
        what does Mr. Zatulin expect by coming up with such an initiative and where is he going to transfer Russian units

        He will not throw himself. Balabolit for decades, gets money
      3. Vsepomni
        Vsepomni 22 October 2020 16: 22
        11
        Zatulin has a clearly pro-Armenian position. Looks like they pay well.
      4. Old tanker
        Old tanker 23 October 2020 06: 35
        +1
        Zatulin has long been a pro-Armenian politician. This should be taken into account. And he only expresses his personal opinion. I doubt that this is the position of the EP.
    2. deniso
      deniso 22 October 2020 15: 55
      11
      Russia's position on Karabakh should be only one-neutrality. At the same time, only Russia can separate the fighting. Neutrality only means refusing to help one of the parties.
      1. Isim soyad
        Isim soyad 22 October 2020 17: 29
        -2
        No, Russia missed this chance, since July this year. And this whole company, and this is going. Pashinyan does not want peacekeepers at home, he wants in Karabakh, and in Karabakh only with the permission of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan did not want and does not want any peacekeepers from Russia at home. Karabakh will return to us, to Azerbaijan, and Armenia will turn its back on Russia, and take big steps towards gayrope. hi
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 22 October 2020 19: 15
          +2
          I do not agree, you just need to be able to wait until the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. Compromise is always better for everyone. The problem is that now neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan is ready for a compromise, but conditions for it may come. And, I hope, this has already been discussed, otherwise it will be bad - and, I am afraid, Azerbaijan also cannot escape this cup. But I would not like it - it will not benefit either Azerbaijan or Russia.
          And the Armenians will remain there - just like the Azerbaijanis in Nakhichevan: this is a reality that, of course, can be changed - but it will not add peace - only mutual hatred will intensify and rivers of blood may flow from both sides, which is not needed by any of the countries involved. It will be much better if it is possible to bring peace back to this long-suffering region and establish friendly relations between the countries. In the meantime, both countries are unable to agree on this territory, I see a partial partition (returning 5 border regions to Azerbaijan) with an unconditional guarantee of a ceasefire and disengagement as a relatively acceptable option. countries do not trust each other, Armenia does not trust Turkey, and
          American or European "peacekeepers" capable of establishing their positions in the Transcaucasus under the guise of a peacekeeping mission.
          - for the benefit of oneself-loved ones: divide et impera. They need strong Azerbaijan and Turkey, obedient and exclusively against Russia, and this is not at least not included in Turkey's plans. Of course, you can try to benefit from this, but the Anglo-Saxons ate not such for breakfast, so I would not be deceived by such tempting prospects. If the Armenians are looking for the truth on the (western) side, they will only aggravate their situation and it seems that this is beginning to reach the local authorities.
          This means a joint mission (excluded due to the distrust of the parties) or Russia.
          Subsequently, if relations between the countries begin to recover, there may be options for a solution to joint management on a confederal or other model. But this takes time, patience and, most importantly, and above all, the desire to achieve peace on both sides. You can't be cute.
          And in order for the option in the form of wide autonomy within Azerbaijan to become possible, Armenia and Azerbaijan must establish good-neighborly relations, and taking into account mutual hatred, this will take decades, so this is not an option. At least not in the medium term. Whether someone likes it or not request
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 October 2020 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: Isim Soyad
          while Armenia will turn its back on Russia and take big steps towards gayrope.

          something you missed in your life ... from the moment of Pashenyan's arrival, Armenia has already taken a broad step towards gayrope and it is for this reason that the Russian Federation does not interfere in the conflict. Armenia is as friendly to Russia as Azerbaijan, perhaps even less friendly and this is not a result of the conflict, but before the conflict request
    3. deniso
      deniso 22 October 2020 16: 01
      +9
      According to the Armenian Defense Ministry: Armenia is winning on all fronts, why ask Russia for help?
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 22 October 2020 16: 58
        +3
        Quote: denis obuckov
        According to the Armenian Defense Ministry: Armenia is winning on all fronts, why ask Russia for help?

        Hitler also "won" and "leveled the front" in 45. Pashinyan is a hostage of the situation. The Armenians of the NKR will defend themselves - they will exact huge losses and fruitless games with the West. Will surrender Karabakh - no comment. In any case - a political (at least) corpse.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 October 2020 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: Hyperion
          In any case, a political (at least) corpse.

          perhaps this is what Russia is seeking by neutrality.
    4. passerby
      passerby 22 October 2020 16: 33
      17
      Russia does not owe Karabakh anything, let these guys figure it out themselves. How did they write on the posters - "Russian invaders get out of Armenia"? Now let them solve their problems without "Russian occupants".
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 16: 45
        -5
        Quote: bystander
        How did they write on the posters - "Russian invaders get out of Armenia"? Now let them solve their problems without "Russian occupants".


        If Russia leaves wherever it sees the posters "Russians out", it will very quickly leave everywhere.
        1. passerby
          passerby 22 October 2020 16: 49
          14
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          If Russia leaves wherever it sees the posters "Russians out", it will very quickly leave everywhere.

          And if Russia fights for everyone who drives it out and calls it an "occupier", then after a while it will again bite its elbows, seeing how those for whom it fought demolish monuments to Russian heroes who gave their lives in these wars for some unknown reason.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 17: 06
            -3
            Quote: passerby
            And if Russia fights for everyone


            I do not call for war.

            Quote: bystander
            bite your elbows, seeing how those for whom she fought demolish monuments


            I don’t remember that Russia fought for monuments. However, see above.
            1. passerby
              passerby 22 October 2020 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              I do not call for war.

              What are you calling for?
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 18: 05
                0
                Did you see in my words a call to something? He's not there. To me, the current position of Russia seems rational - not to interfere in the war, but to promote peace negotiations. And Zatulin's fantasies resemble "a parachute regiment in two hours."
          2. Alf
            Alf 22 October 2020 18: 26
            +3
            Quote: bystander
            And if Russia fights for everyone who drives it out and calls it an "occupier", then after a while it will again bite its elbows,

            And he will receive a bunch of sanctions.
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 27 October 2020 11: 27
          +1
          Eye of the blatant, any situation must be considered concretely and separately. There are no universal recipes. Nobody is going to "leave from everywhere", not those times now. But to drag chestnuts out of the fire for the pro-American (de facto anti-Russian) Pashinyan government is stupidity and foolishness. Russia is not seven-core, and so we are dying out at 300 thousand a year. We must clearly understand our capabilities, and not waste resources for the sake of just anyone. If the power elite in Armenia will be replaced by a pro-Russian one, we will harness ourselves. Will not change - there is a road.
      2. Grits
        Grits 23 October 2020 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: bystander
        Russia does not owe Karabakh anything, let these guys figure it out themselves. How did they write on the posters - "Russian invaders get out of Armenia"? Now let them solve their problems without "Russian occupants".

        The Armenians will now gladly call for help from the French and American invaders. Turkish occupiers will settle in Azerbaijan. All Transcaucasia will turn into a funny NATO bugger. Russia, naturally, will run away from this viper behind the Caucasian ridge, since vipers will not give life anyway. Thus, Russia in this war is the most real and one hundred percent loser.
        1. passerby
          passerby 23 October 2020 17: 14
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          The Armenians will now gladly call for help from the French and American invaders. Turkish occupiers will settle in Azerbaijan. All Transcaucasia will turn into a funny NATO bugger. Russia, naturally, will run away from this viper behind the Caucasian ridge, since vipers will not give life anyway. Thus, Russia in this war is the most real and one hundred percent loser.

          Well, dream, dream how the French and the Americans will fight for the Armenians with the Turks and Azerbaijanis.
          1. Grits
            Grits 28 October 2020 02: 08
            0
            Quote: bystander
            Well, dream, dream how the French and the Americans will fight for the Armenians with the Turks and Azerbaijanis.

            The French, Americans and even Turks are not fools at all. They are not going to fight. They just come to the ready-made. They themselves will be called.
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 27 October 2020 11: 38
          0
          So let the name of the Amers / French. Onward and with the song. It will be much funnier if Russia enters the war with Turkey over Armenia, Turkey rushes back under NATO / US, and then Russia will be asked to "democratically" withdraw and not interfere with Pashinyan's installation of NATO bases. All this resembles the calls of the scam sellers: "Buy now, tomorrow it will be twice as expensive! Only for you, and only now!" No really, pipes. There is a time to advance, but there is a time to hold a position without "rushing to machine guns." If the elites of the Transcaucasian countries decide to sell themselves (no matter which owner, the United States or Turkey), then Russia's entry into the war (in any scale / format / layout) will not change anything, you will still have to retreat. Or do you suggest how to start "conquering the Caucasus" under the tsars? - So then there was neither America nor NAta, and Britain was far away. As comrade Krugly used to say, "Take it by yourself, so as not to fall when walking."
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 22 October 2020 15: 19
    -20 qualifying.
    Deadlock situation. What to do is not clear. Here Putin needs to negotiate with Macron on the introduction of joint peacekeeping forces.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 22 October 2020 15: 31
      15
      Quote: Sergey39
      Here Putin needs to negotiate with Macron on the introduction of joint peacekeeping forces.

      And what has to do with Macron, Nagorno-Karabakh, according to all international laws, the recognized territory of Azerbaijan and if you agree with someone, then with Aliyev, but will Aliyev agree to this, Azerbaijan has a real chance to return Nagorno-Karabakh and peacekeepers will only interfere and slow down, peacekeepers into the hands of the Armenians.
    2. Machito
      Machito 22 October 2020 15: 51
      -5
      Judging by the negotiations held in Moscow on an armistice in Karabakh, only Russia enjoys the confidence of the conflicting parties, because the hostile Poles in the Caucasus will not bring peace, but will kindle a war with renewed vigor.
      1. DimDimych
        DimDimych 22 October 2020 18: 01
        0
        only Russia enjoys the confidence of the conflicting parties

        Do Turkish Armenians and Turks enjoy trust?
        Anadolu Agency:

        The 85th patriarch of the Armenian community of Turkey Sahak Mashalyan expressed gratitude to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for participating in the farewell ceremony with the famous Armenian writer, journalist and deputy from the ruling Justice and Development Party of Turkey Markar Esayan.
        Mashalyan noted that the head of state paid attention to the Armenian community at a difficult time - against the background of events in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
        “The tragic events in the Caucasus are not an interreligious conflict. It is not even a conflict between the Armenian and Azerbaijani peoples. The main thing now is by joint efforts to form the basis for long-term friendship. In this regard, the initiatives voiced by Turkey and you personally, Mr. Erdogan, are of particular importance, ”the patriarch said in an interview with the Turkish leader.
        According to Mashalyan, the participation of the Turkish leader in the farewell ceremony with the Armenian politician is a significant event and message.
        In his words, the Armenian people need people like Markar Esayan, who are a kind of "living bridge" between the nations. “People like Markar are needed today more than ever. Perhaps then it would have been possible to prevent the tragedy, to save lives. I am sure that Esayan would have stood for peace in spite of everything. The worst world is better than any war, ”Mashalyan said.
        A farewell ceremony for the Armenian politician was held at the Church of the Holy Virgin Mary in Istanbul's Kumkapi district, where a divine service took place.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 22 October 2020 15: 51
      10
      Yes it is clear. You just need to start sending en masse representatives of both sides to their historical homelands, and say face! who needs diaspora businesses .. I think a couple of days will be enough to end the conflict.
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 October 2020 18: 31
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        You just need to start sending en masse representatives of both sides to their historical homelands, and say face! who needs diaspora businesses ..

        It makes no sense to touch the bazaar riffraff, not those figures, but how the authorities will expel Usmanov, and Kerimov, Guceriev, etc., it will be very interesting to see. Is she going to deport herself?
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 23
      11
      Quote: Sergey39
      Here Putin needs to negotiate with Macron on the introduction of joint peacekeeping forces.

      and with Aliev it is not necessary? Azerbaijan has already rejected Zatulin's nonsense
  3. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 October 2020 15: 30
    15
    Who is there from the Kremlin bots constantly shouting out what an excellent foreign policy we have? All fucked up!
  4. sevtrash
    sevtrash 22 October 2020 15: 32
    -12 qualifying.
    In reality, inaction will be worse - and the Armenians will (and already) with a high level of anti-Russian sentiments and the Turks in the first place among the Azerbaijanis. If you think about the influence of Russia in the Transcaucasia, it is necessary to send troops (peacekeeping) to Karabakh. If you are not late. Give most of the airbag areas to Azerbaijan.
    1. cmax
      cmax 22 October 2020 15: 50
      30
      Quote: sevtrash
      In reality, inaction will be worse - and the Armenians will (and already) with a high level of anti-Russian sentiments and the Turks in the first place among the Azerbaijanis. If you think about the influence of Russia in the Transcaucasia, it is necessary to send troops (peacekeeping) to Karabakh. If you are not late. Give most of the airbag areas to Azerbaijan.

      What is the influence of Russia. Peripheral salaries for 10000-15000 rubles. People go to work in Moscow to feed themselves. His wife, with an experience of 29 years (economist), has a pension of 9500. The exchange rate of the ruble in jo ..., and you about the INFLUENCE. First of all, it is necessary to influence the economy in order to make life in Russia better. All the outskirts themselves will come running, without influence.
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 22 October 2020 17: 13
        +8
        They noticed right to the point. We will have norms, everyone will come running. In the meantime, we will be looking at Ivropa.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 23 October 2020 14: 34
        0
        Quote: cmax
        All the outskirts themselves will come running, without influence.

        what outskirts? how are refugees in Germany? this is what Russia urgently needs ??? belay
        1. cmax
          cmax 23 October 2020 18: 33
          0
          Quote: SanichSan
          Quote: cmax
          All the outskirts themselves will come running, without influence.

          what outskirts? how are refugees in Germany? this is what Russia urgently needs ??? belay

          You will delve into the meaning of my comment a little, please! What refugees!
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 24 October 2020 17: 18
            0
            Quote: cmax
            You will delve into the meaning of my comment a little, please!

            penetrated. write nonsense. request
            now 2020 is in the yard. there is no iron curtain. Anyone who is not lazy can find out about the fact that life on the periphery in the EU or the US is no better than ours.
            what do you suggest? to promote the standard of living as in the United States, showing photos of palaces from the ruble and telling that everyone can do this? or give out benefits so that crowds of parasites rush to us?
            1. cmax
              cmax 24 October 2020 18: 25
              0
              Quote: SanichSan
              Quote: cmax
              You will delve into the meaning of my comment a little, please!

              penetrated. write nonsense. request
              now 2020 is in the yard. there is no iron curtain. Anyone who is not lazy can find out about the fact that life on the periphery in the EU or the US is no better than ours.
              what do you suggest? to promote the standard of living as in the United States, showing photos of palaces from the ruble and telling that everyone can do this? or give out benefits so that crowds of parasites rush to us?

              In short, I realized that you did not understand anything. You write this nonsense. Of course, I feel sorry for the poor blacks and Latinos living on the periphery in the United States, but still, when the standard of living in Russia is the same as in the United States, not palaces on Rublevka, but somewhere, for example, in the Penza, Smolensk or Tver regions, please write. and on this I propose to end. And then, indeed, now we will promote the average salary and the average pension in Russia (for reference, the average salary of a driver of a mail machine Russian Post is 30000 rubles (he worked there), if diesel fuel does not steal, about as much as $ 400, well, just a gigantic amount for family living. "break" for these jobs
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 24 October 2020 20: 38
                0
                Quote: cmax
                Of course, I feel sorry for the poor blacks and Latinos living on the periphery in the United States, but still, when in Russia the standard of living is like in the United States, not palaces on Rublevka, but somewhere, for example, in the Penza, Smolensk or Tver regions, please write

                in the Penza region houses from gypsum plasterboard ??? belay so already! and by the way, criminal cases have already been initiated for this American style yes
                check out Breaking Bad. there, in a casual playful way, this "highest standard" of life in ordinary America is shown. request there is also a BBS documentary series about unusual professions ... look at how interesting and rich with the benefits of civilization the life of an American worm or mushroom picker and how an eel catcher lives on a grand scale ...

                your pathetic attempts to portray how everything is bad here and how everything is good there could have been successful in the last century, but not now. now anyone can make sure that those who know how to work and have found their own niche in life, it doesn't matter in private business or at a state plant, everything is fine here in Russia and there in the EU or the USA. and in the same way, if your plant was closed and you were on the street, then everything is bad for you, regardless of whether it is Chelyabinsk or Detroit. request
                1. cmax
                  cmax 25 October 2020 01: 19
                  0
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  Quote: cmax
                  Of course, I feel sorry for the poor blacks and Latinos living on the periphery in the United States, but still, when in Russia the standard of living is like in the United States, not palaces on Rublevka, but somewhere, for example, in the Penza, Smolensk or Tver regions, please write

                  in the Penza region houses from gypsum plasterboard ??? belay so already! and by the way, criminal cases have already been initiated for this American style yes
                  check out Breaking Bad. there, in a casual playful way, this "highest standard" of life in ordinary America is shown. request there is also a BBS documentary series about unusual professions ... look at how interesting and rich with the benefits of civilization the life of an American worm or mushroom picker and how an eel catcher lives on a grand scale ...

                  your pathetic attempts to portray how everything is bad here and how everything is good there could have been successful in the last century, but not now. now anyone can make sure that those who know how to work and have found their own niche in life, it doesn't matter in private business or at a state plant, everything is fine here in Russia and there in the EU or the USA. and in the same way, if your plant was closed and you were on the street, then everything is bad for you, regardless of whether it is Chelyabinsk or Detroit. request

                  What houses, what collectors of worms. Understand the meaning of my first post, take off your rose-colored glasses from your face. Some kind of inadequate.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 25 October 2020 01: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: cmax
                    What houses, what collectors of worms.

                    Oh! belay don't you like the "high standard" of living abroad? well sorry.
                    Quote: cmax
                    Understand the meaning of my first post, take off your rose-colored glasses from your face.
                    and what clothes do you think? yours also run and shout everywhere "oh, everything is bad with us, but how good they are !! 1"? no thank you.
                    I'm not saying that everything is fine with us, but clearly not much worse than theirs and in some places much better.
                    Quote: cmax
                    Inadequate of some kind.
                    is it you that undertook to judge the adequacy? Oh well bully
  5. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 22 October 2020 15: 34
    17
    Hello! Once upon a time there was a scientific work of one scientist about the "interference of Russia" in the Bulgarian "affairs"! So, the essence of the work is as follows: during the war with Turkey, Russia lost up to 250 thousand people! Who were these people? They were healthy men! The families then had 6-9 children, or even more !!! The scientist carried out the calculations .... Russia has lost hundreds of millions of inhabitants at the expense of these fucking Bulgarians !!!! This is only for ONE WAR !!!!!! We now have a population of BYLOBA, like in CHINA and INDIA! And in fact - - we have SOMEONE TO LIVE AND WORK !!! Russia has practically DIED OUT because of its eternal help to the BURNED !!!!! Stop helping everyone who then, spit !!! It's time to think about saving YOUR people, and not some kind of Bulgarian or Serbian !!!!
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 22 October 2020 15: 56
      -20 qualifying.
      Stop insulting the Bulgarian and Serbian peoples! Poor? Poor one who thinks so.
      Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 25
        19
        Quote: Artavazdych
        Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth

        maybe they understand, but HIM is chosen over and over again
        1. for
          for 22 October 2020 17: 05
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          but HIM is chosen over and over again

          Tell me in which country, they are chosen honestly
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 22 October 2020 18: 24
            +8
            Quote: for
            Tell me in which country, they are chosen honestly

            Then why is Yaroslavna crying about the poor Bulgarians?
            1. for
              for 22 October 2020 19: 42
              +3
              Quote: Silvestr
              Then why is Yaroslavna crying about the poor Bulgarians?

              For example, before me ... these Bulgarians, Syrians, etc. and so on, crying, we helped them, we help them, but they are not grateful. You don't have to be a plug in every barrel, let them figure it out. Two are fighting do not try to separate, after their reconciliation you will receive from both.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 October 2020 17: 11
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          maybe they understand, but HIM is chosen over and over again

          And whatever government you choose, it still doesn't decide anything. The only task of the national governments of the EU is the strict implementation of the directives of the Brussels bureaucrats. Large countries can still portray something so independently-national, and a trifle is obliged to strictly adhere to documents descended from above under the threat of excommunication from the trough.
          So Sofia's policy is just a rebroadcast of the Brussels policy in a national way. smile
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 22 October 2020 18: 26
            +4
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And whatever government you choose, it still doesn't decide anything. The only task of the national governments of the EU is the strict implementation of the directives of the Brussels bureaucrats.

            That's right, and this situation arose after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
            Okay with the Bulgarians! And what about Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus and Asia? Yes, and with us! Is Brussels also to blame?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 October 2020 10: 27
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Okay with the Bulgarians! And what about Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus and Asia? Yes, and with us! Is Brussels also to blame?

              Are there any doubts about this? Every sane person understands that the peoples of the countries of the former USSR, as one person, stand on absolutely pro-Russian positions - with the exception of rare renegades who do not enjoy popular support. And only the pernicious influence of the West, the intrigues of the Englishwoman and the machinations of the insidious Washington over and over again confuse small, adequate and adequately moderate pro-Russian citizens with confusion and pantalyk. laughing

              Seriously, we now know very well the level of pro-Russianness of the same Ukraine - 11,67%. It's just that it's very difficult for some to rebuild after fraternal people and admit that the current leadership of Ukraine really reflects the point of view of the people (chosen as the lesser of evils).
        3. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 22 October 2020 18: 55
          +1
          We also "choose" - do you like much? And this is in the largest nuclear power, I note. What to say about the Bulgarians. Do you know Plamen Paskov? We would have more of them.
          But I'm not even talking about that. That comrade called these peoples poor. I stood up and ... got a minus one hundred and five hundred. It is sad.
        4. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 22 October 2020 21: 46
          +1
          maybe they understand, but HIM is chosen over and over again

          Believe in “elections” at the end of 2020? Are you seriously ?
        5. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 24 October 2020 19: 48
          -3
          We, too, do not understand who, and this is in the most powerful nuclear power. What can we say about the Bulgarians?
          But I'm not even talking about that. Calling Bulgarians and Serbs poor ...
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 22 October 2020 18: 16
        +4
        Quote: Artavazdych
        Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth

        once they choose, it means they are satisfied with the policy - 1 and 2 MB fought on the side of the Germans, now they are in NATO ...
      3. Grits
        Grits 23 October 2020 14: 44
        0
        Quote: Artavazdych
        Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth

        It is precisely from this understanding that they were against us in two world wars, and now they are in NATO?
      4. jovanni
        jovanni 27 October 2020 12: 15
        0
        Quote: Artavazdych
        Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth

        Well, you insulted the Bulgarians ... They were equated to dogs ... It's about dogs they say: - "he understands everything, but he cannot say" ...
    2. for
      for 22 October 2020 17: 02
      -5
      Quote: Yuriy71
      Russia has lost hundreds of millions of inhabitants at the expense of these fucking Bulgarians !!!

      And who sent them there?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 October 2020 17: 13
        11
        Quote: for
        And who sent them there?

        Those who dreamed of a mythical "Slavic unity".
        What this unity is worth was shown by the Second Balkan, when some "brothers" fought with other "brothers". And then WWI, when the Bulgarians were shooting at the Russians.
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 15: 35
    13
    Otherwise, NATO "peacekeepers" will appear in Transcaucasia - the French and the Americans
    .... And they need it? .. They did their job, worked out the money of the Armenian lobby, condemned Azerbaijan. If it was necessary, various commissions were already working, UN sessions were convened on this issue, Azerbaijan was threatened with sanctions. And so the silence is on the air. Frankly, the Armenians are not friends, not partners, freeloaders, plus they pull money for the deployed military base. Azerbaijan is not a friend or an enemy here, but at least in time it pays for the supplied weapons and that is good. Russia will not pull a second war, enough for Syria.
    1. the finish
      the finish 22 October 2020 18: 07
      -2
      "plus they are pulling money for a military base located"
      Ignorant ... The base is free of charge and even all utilities are paid by the Armenian side.
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 22 October 2020 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Frankly, the Armenians are not friends, not partners-freeloaders, plus they pull money for a military base.

      Crimea was not recognized, even Karabakh was not recognized ... an anti-Russian prime minister was elected request
    3. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 22 October 2020 21: 49
      0
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Frankly, the Armenians are not friends, not partners, freeloaders, plus they pull money for a military base. Azerbaijan is not a friend or an enemy here, but so,

      Let's not forget about Turkey. And then, for some reason, it cannot be traced, not in friends, not in comrades ...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 23 October 2020 14: 44
        -1
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        Let's not forget about Turkey. And then, for some reason, it cannot be traced, not in friends, not in comrades ...

        the gas pipeline, unlike the Germans, has been laid, the nuclear power plant is being built, the С400 has been supplied and supported .... is it not traceable?
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 October 2020 15: 35
    +4
    After Obama invited Putin to Syria and the Russian media, explained that Syria is Russia, everyone thinks this is normal. It is also normal that Donbass is a non-Russian land.
    So the Caucasus, they will leave everything as it is, everyone will convince each other that Pashinyan is Soros. If the Kremlin decides to intervene, half of the commentators entering here will change their clothes in a jump.
    My opinion is high time to define the interests of many are connected with Russia. It's time to create pro-Russian territories around Russia. Are those sitting at the top really hoping that they will be received in the West?
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 15: 48
      11
      It's time to create pro-Russian territories around Russia
      .. Colleague, it’s too late to create, in 30 years you haven’t created it, you cannot create contradictions and the weaker ones are looking for other patrons, before whom they are even ready to sacrifice national interests in any spheres of activity. What we actually observe now, I will not give examples, you know them yourself.
      1. fiberboard
        fiberboard 22 October 2020 16: 06
        +1
        Most of these national bourgeoisie pull money from Russia. They must be properly pressed and presented with a tough choice. In the meantime, they pour shit on those who feed them.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 October 2020 19: 17
        +1
        you haven't created in 30 years, you won't create
        Eh, I agree with you completely. Even 35 years old, one person, Mikhail Nikolaevich Putin. Well, what if a miracle happens and a person who really cares about the welfare of Russia will come to power.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 22 October 2020 15: 59
      19
      It's time to create pro-Russian territories around Russia.

      And what, in fact, can Russia offer them? While there was a Union - there was a social idea and an alternative economic model, and now we are the same bourgeois as the rest, only the West has much more dough. So what's the point for the outskirts to keep us, and not the same staff members? Is one of our Rothenberg more attractive than theirs Zuckerberg? What suddenly?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 16: 17
        +9
        Is one of our Rothenberg more attractive than theirs Zuckerberg? What suddenly?
        That's right, and you can also get dividends for the sale of national interests.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 28
      12
      Quote: Gardamir
      It's time to create pro-Russian territories around Russia.

      late! profiled everything everywhere. Politics, based on agreements with the powers that be and on a nonchalant attitude towards the people, is the only way it ends.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 22 October 2020 16: 42
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Are those sitting at the top really hoping that they will be received in the West?

      So they have already been accepted ... those who have a residence permit, who already have citizenship, but those who are more cunning, children there, will be issued through them ..
      My opinion is high time to define the interests of many are connected with Russia. It's time to create pro-Russian territories around Russia

      It's high time .. but because of the above, no one will give it .. And they are not economically ready, they will put pressure on China, the Chinese will cut off the supply of electronics to us, the seeds will stop selling .. but they can do a lot that will lead to collapse .. That's why For two reasons, no one is twitching, but along the entire perimeter we have wars, coups and bacteriological bases ..
      half of the commentators who enter here will change their clothes in a jump.

      The funny thing is that these do not even change their shoes .. They continue to rejoice .. then one "joyful" wrote me on another branch ..
      Try to be happy for your country at least once a day. And do not mix shit in honey

      At close range I do not see more than one good news .. only sectarians or outright traitors can rejoice at what is happening in the country ..
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 22 October 2020 20: 08
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        So they have already been accepted ... those who have a residence permit, who already have citizenship, but those who are more cunning, children there, will be issued through them ..
        Not theirs, but their money. They themselves are not needed by anyone - they endure while they are "drowning" for the West.
    5. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 22 October 2020 16: 57
      10
      Quote: Gardamir
      ... Are those sitting at the top really hoping that they will be accepted in the West?


      Sometimes I get the impression that the Kremlin simply does not know how to strategically plan and defend their interests. those. we only react to the actions of other players and play someone else's game ... this was the case with Georgia, when the pro-American government came to power and 2008 happened, this was the case with Ukraine, when a coup d'etat was carried out under our very noses, practically at home and pro-American forces came to power, in Armenia - a color revolution (pro-Western Pashinyan), in Belarus it is not clear how it will end ... in Central Asia, successes are also so-so, everywhere they oust the Russian language and our culture (from the countries of the former USSR), with the media also problems (recall the conversation between Simonyan and Lavrov in an interview with Sputnik), etc. I don’t want to talk about the West at all, they have almost openly declared war on us, and we are all trying to play partners.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 22 October 2020 21: 54
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Sometimes I get the impression that the Kremlin simply does not know how to strategically plan and defend their interests.

        Whose interests?
        Do you associate your interests with those of the Kremlin? Famously...
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 October 2020 19: 42
      0
      To begin with, it would not hurt to create these territories in Russia itself. Over the course of 30 years of building correct sovereign capitalism, we have somehow not made much progress in this.
  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 October 2020 15: 45
    13
    The author began for health, and ended for the repose.
    At first, it was quite reasonable to write that Russia now cannot take the side of one of the parties to the conflict.
    And then he began to justify the sending of peacekeepers to Karabakh, that is, to the territory of Azerbaijan. How can this be done if Azerbaijan does not ask for it itself? The author suggests making the Russian Federation an aggressor from the point of view of international law? From his point of view, we have few problems and we need to create another one for ourselves out of the blue?
    As for NATO, it has long appeared in the Transcaucasus. In Georgia. And it is not clear why it should appear there if Azerbaijan "does not stop"? They will simply restore their territorial integrity and that's it.
    As for a great power, this should have been thought about 30 years ago. As well as about the strategy in the Caucasus. Everyone from the ultra-communists to Brzezinski said that the key country in the region is Azerbaijan. And it was necessary to stake on him. Next is Georgia.
    And only the leadership of the Russian Federation (Yeltsin-Putin) staked on Armenia. Now they are reaping the benefits, but the good news is that Transcaucasia is not a very important region for the Russian Federation. You just have to do the work on the mistakes.
    1. matross
      matross 22 October 2020 16: 37
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      Then he began to substantiate the sending of peacekeepers to Karabakh, that is, to the territory of Azerbaijan. How can this be done if Azerbaijan does not ask for it itself?

      The answer is obvious - none. In no way and no one will clearly justify the need to directly embed in this deeply alien conflict and play the role of those to blame for everything at the end. There is no reason to quarrel with Azerbaijan, just because of its tender relations with the Turks. There is no reason to defend the interests of Armenia - it is a geopolitically dead-end country, even the military base in Gyumri is much more necessary for the Armenians than for us. The base can be withdrawn, it will be cheaper. Will our "partners" bring in peacekeepers? Flag in hand, drum on your neck! Azerbaijan is already pro-Turkish, Armenia has no border with us and does not make the weather in anything. The Armenians will be bent down in full - what kind of sorrow is this to us? What are our geshefts from Armenia, as our Jewish partners say?
      Let us get into this fornication - except for problems we will not receive any gratitude. Let the Karabakh abscess be opened without Russia, it will not pass by itself, will not dissolve. It would be nice not to splash the contents ...
      1. prodi
        prodi 22 October 2020 18: 23
        -3
        For us, the Caucasus is like cutting a piglet: there is a lot of screeching, but little wool - let it completely go to Turkey and Iran, and let them "babysit" with Him further
  9. Jcvai
    Jcvai 22 October 2020 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    Azerbaijan, here is neither friend nor enemy

    Very controversial considering targeting enemies. For when NATO bases appear on its territory, it will be too late to think about "friend or foe".
    As if the lessons of Georgia and Abkhazia have taught nothing. And we still have Transnistria next in line.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 22 October 2020 16: 21
      +3
      There are almost NATO bases already -Gruziya. And where will NATO bases appear on the territory of Azerbaijan, when it does not seek NATO? He has a good "friend" Turkey .. With Turkey, Russia, sisters forever .. smile
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 October 2020 18: 36
        +4
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        when does he not aspire to NATO?

        Today does not strive for what will happen tomorrow, no one knows ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 October 2020 20: 48
          -1
          Quote: Alf
          Today does not strive for what will happen tomorrow, no one knows ...

          As it is known ... tomorrow they will strive for NATO ..
  10. Hypertension
    Hypertension 22 October 2020 15: 48
    18
    Russia can respond to the ongoing armed conflict in Karabakh by sending troops to Armenia. This is stated in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

    Gather a battalion of State Duma deputies and send it to Karabakh - let them help.
  11. leks
    leks 22 October 2020 15: 51
    +3
    No and no again.
    Let them figure it out themselves.
  12. apro
    apro 22 October 2020 15: 52
    +1
    What is the point of intervention ??????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how we are there ... but we were different then ... and now we are so different.
    The introduction of peacekeepers conservation until the next explosion ...
  13. anjey
    anjey 22 October 2020 15: 54
    0
    At the level of intelligence, specialists, equipment and ammunition, then yes, so that there is parity with the same Turkey behind Azerbaijan's back and a predicted stalemate is needed on the front of the military base. It is better to freeze the conflict than to allow the preponderance of one of the parties, which Russia does in all hot spots, seeing behind the backs of all kinds of puppets, a real geopolitical enemy and trying to outplay him in his own way, without getting into the conflict to the "very top".
    1. leks
      leks 22 October 2020 16: 03
      +1
      You propose to take the side of the Armenians, the question is why is Russia?
      There will be no parity.
      For parity, regular troops with good air defense are needed there.
      Nagorno-Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan, this is their problem and they are solving it, even with the help of Turkey.
      1. anjey
        anjey 22 October 2020 16: 10
        -2
        And Ukraine with the help of the United States? No, we need "red lines" and spheres of Russian influence, where different military coalitions are better off, it should be hopeless for them, as, for example, in Belarus.
        1. leks
          leks 22 October 2020 16: 16
          +2
          I repeat this internal affair of Azerbaijan and Armenia once again.
          No peacemakers or military aid.
          The Armenians, led by Pashinyan, chose the path of Russophobia. They chose the road for themselves towards the Amers.
        2. Alesi13
          Alesi13 22 October 2020 16: 40
          0
          What lines, the ambassador was killed, the pilot, too, climbed into Syria, and what? We got off with red tomatoes, not lines
      2. anjey
        anjey 22 October 2020 16: 15
        -6
        Azerbaijan would not have remembered this Karabakh for another hundred years, if it were not for Erdogan with his ambitions and two-faced policy, he also plays for the West, indirectly blackmailing and opposing Russia. So there is no need to rattle about the Azerbaijanis case, this snake ball is not woven into Baku.
        1. leks
          leks 22 October 2020 16: 20
          +2
          So do not crack for the Armenians or that they are your friends for a century or something. Pashinyan, ask about his love for Russians, which manifested itself as soon as it smelled hot.
          In Karabakh, they constantly shot with the Turks or without the Turks.
          1. anjey
            anjey 22 October 2020 16: 27
            -3
            I am for Russia and she must show creatively and politely who is the boss here laughing
            1. leks
              leks 22 October 2020 16: 34
              +5
              Russia is the master on its territory.
              I personally do not care whether the Azerbaijanis or the Armenians.
              I myself am categorically against interference in the internal conflict of Azerbaijan.
        2. Revival
          Revival 22 October 2020 16: 29
          -3
          I remembered, I did not remember ...
          Territory of Azerbaijan? Yes.
          So he can remember whenever he wants
        3. Rubina
          Rubina 26 October 2020 23: 00
          0
          Well yes. Why did we buy the latest weapons? Why were every single officer trained in Turkey? Why did you do the diplomatic work? We were preparing. We were just waiting for the moment. And the X hour has come
  14. deniso
    deniso 22 October 2020 15: 56
    15
    Armenia is not Syria: no one attacked Armenia; Pashinyan is not Assad: his actions as President of Armenia in recent years have been detrimental to the country; Karabakh is not Crimea - there is no Russian world there. Sort it out for yourself, gentlemen. Russia is not Chip and Dale!
  15. cmax
    cmax 22 October 2020 15: 59
    14
    Here is the normal rationale - why no landing operations are needed.
    And the man is right.
    --------------------------------
    The lower house of our parliament did not rule out the possibility of a landing of special operations forces in Karabakh.

    The reason is clear, Armenia is losing and it is clear that after Azerbaijan's victory there will be Turkish military bases there. First, we will be squeezed out of the South Caucasus, and then the North, and what then. Dagestan and Chechnya will explode. This means a new Caucasian war.

    I think it's crazy myself, but let's even discuss a technical issue. I’m already silent. By the way, Karabakh is legally an Azerbaijani territory under international law. Armenia recognized Crimea as Russian? Senile dementia mowed the entire State. Duma. Forgot about Afghanistan and Chechnya? Then Azerbaijan will officially turn to Turkey for help, like Syria in the Russian Federation, and then whoever will fight there is, of course, a legitimate NATO member Turkey.

    Sorry, but how to get there if we don't have a common border. Earlier, after the closure of the sky from the Georgian side, our base received supplies through the Iranian air corridor. It is clear that Turkey is not only Azerbaijan's ally, but also the main enemy of the Islamic Republic. But half of the population here are ethnic Azerbaijanis, so draw your own conclusions.

    Or a breakthrough through the radar station in Georgia or Azerbaijan. And the deputies think about the consequences. Georgia will definitely strike the planes and declare aggression. And the consequences are calculated. Blocking the grouping of our forces in Syria and Libya, the transfer of terrorism to the south of Russia.

    ТTurkey is a centuries-old enemy and who saved Erdogan from the assassination attempts of the military, gave up our military developments, built a nuclear power plant at his own expense and thought about oil pipelines ... Give his last name.

    We ourselves have allowed Erdogan to become what he became. And now we are threatening from the Russia TV channel, but we are to him. And why, we don't even have drones. Turkey is the leader in the field of small aircraft, I will not say anything about us. Yes, Karabakh, the territory of the conflict is not between the two Caucasian republics, but between Russia and Turkey.

    But there are other ways to influence the Sultan's policies. SVR and GRU for what they eat bread.

    In Turkey, anti-Erdogan sentiment is strong in the army elite, and his rejection of Kemal's policy causes hatred towards him. There is another problem for the Kurds. Why not help the Kurds in their struggle for the sovereign right to create their own state. Recognize the events of 1915 ... And a lot more.

    Well, I will say one thing about the deputies. As I understand it, this landing will be led by Zatulin himself. How easy it is to dispose of other people's lives, when you yourself are warm, well fed, you get a lot of money without doing anything. And most importantly, nothing threatens your life. Otherwise, I would have created a detachment of volunteer deputies in Karabakh. Children and relatives of deputies and officials should be in the front ranks of the advancing troops.

    No Nagorno-Karabakh costs the life of a single Russian soldier. Syria is not very much moved by their minds. They cannot solve their problems for 20 years. Every year we live worse and worse. This base in Gyumri has no military significance. Only the Armenians speculate on it all the time, and a little bit - "Russians won." The Armenians are shouting today "Help!" leave.
    Why die for other countries? Let them come to an agreement.
    -----------------------------
    1. Revival
      Revival 22 October 2020 16: 31
      +2
      I don’t understand something ..
      Turkish bases will appear in case of return of NK by Azerbaijan, and without the return of NK, what cannot appear? What exactly is NDT so important? Plus minus 50 km are critical for bases and their values ​​!?
  16. fiberboard
    fiberboard 22 October 2020 16: 00
    +5
    There are already publications on the Internet about our troops in Armenia. Apparently the State Duma of the Russian Federation just wants to drag Russia into a military adventure. Let the French and the Americans be there, that's their business. It is necessary to send a Separate Deputy Corps to the front, let them fight. And in a month we'll see if Mr. Zatulin and his colleagues will have the same militant itch. Sitting in trenches under fire quickly cools the warlike ardor.
    1. Gofman
      Gofman 22 October 2020 16: 34
      +1
      I am 1000% sure that if, God forbid, the Russian side in the operation "for Armenia" will go to the dead, then the first, second ... tenth of them, and so on (or maybe all of them) will have their names like Ivanov, Petrov, Nesterenko, Schrader, Nurtdinov ... and not some Movsesyan, of whom there are already more in Russia than in Armenia itself.
      "... syans", "nannies" and "vats" will mostly hurt from here, like now.
      http://xn--90adhkb6ag0f.xn--p1ai/arhiv/osetiya-2008
      The vector of Armenian politics and the orientation of voters like Pashinyan is unlikely to change later.
  17. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 22 October 2020 16: 04
    0
    It is not true that Russia did not intervene. Russia yesterday and the day before yesterday gouged 4 Turkish bases in Idlib. Turkish! These are about 3 hundred militants and UAV operators who were going to be transferred to Karabakh.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 October 2020 16: 32
      0
      Quote: Artavazdych
      These are about 3 hundred militants and UAV operators who were going to be transferred to Karabakh.

      according to Putin, back in 2017 he announced their destruction. Where can they come from in Azerbaijan? laughing
  18. certero
    certero 22 October 2020 16: 07
    0
    Quote: Artavazdych
    Bulgarians understand very well what their government is worth

    Bulgarians in all wars fought against Russia. So don't give a damn about their people.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 22 October 2020 16: 49
      -3
      Quote: certero
      Bulgarians in all wars fought against Russia.

      De jure
      Quote: certero
      So don't give a damn about their people.

      How's the joke? bully
      There are two Bandera:
      - I swear the Muscovites for the Crimea on Red Square!
      “And sho, did they do nothing to you?”
      - And I quietly, without taking off my pants!
      1. Gofman
        Gofman 22 October 2020 17: 04
        +3
        This is on Red Square, but at home it is different:
        ... There are two lads-Westerners in Kiev, one asks the other:
        - Mikola, how do you mean the letters on the huge toilet "M" and "Zh"?
        - I am so reasonable, that "M" is a toilet for Muscovites, and "F" is a toilet for Jews.
        - Huh, what kind of toilet is for us?
        - And we are with you, Petre, now gentlemen in their land, de hochemo, there we crap!
  19. Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 21
    +4
    Armenia is an ancient, great, wise and powerful people. It is a great honor for them to defend their homeland and die for it.
    Russia should not interfere. Armenia will cope on its own.
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  21. fn34440
    fn34440 22 October 2020 16: 27
    +1
    Tomorrow the Foreign Ministers were summoned to see Pompeo in Washington.
    Pashinyan will be happy to demonstrate the superiority of the United States and the Trump administration over Russia in resolving conflicts, which is especially noticeable when it comes to the post-Soviet space

    As you know, the United States has a powerful pro-Armenian lobby, since the 90s the Armenian Caucus in the Congress has been working - a bipartisan group of congressmen on Armenian issues. There are also two Armenian councils - within the Democratic and Republican parties. These structures work very effectively, it is enough to recall the Act in Support of Freedom, adopted by the US Congress on October 24, 1992, the 907th amendment to which prohibited the provision of any direct assistance to Azerbaijan from the United States, in contrast to Armenia.


    Pashinyan regularly tries to make the White House his ally, and it is curious that in relation to another “ally”, Russia, the majority of pro-Armenian congressmen regard it extremely negatively, in particular, considering Moscow's neutrality in the conflict as de facto support for Baku.
    Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
  22. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 16: 29
    +4
    If the Russian Federation openly intervenes in the conflict on the side of Armenia, then Turkey will do the same on the side of Azerbaijan.
    Only, unlike Azerbaijan and Turkey, the Russian Federation does not have a common border with Armenia, and Georgia, of course, will not allow any Russian troops through its territory to enter Armenia, Iran is the same.
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 37
      -4
      Nobody will ask Georgia.
      Skip protesting.
      1. Old Bolshevik
        Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 16: 41
        -6
        Are you sure? As soon as the 6th US fleet came to full combat readiness in August 2008, Putin immediately stopped the Russian troops on the way to Tbilisi
        Quote: Voentorg
        Nobody will ask Georgia.
        Skip protesting.
        1. faiver
          faiver 22 October 2020 23: 46
          +4
          6th Fleet somehow ended up in the Black Sea in 2008?
  23. Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 22 October 2020 16: 30
    -4
    It is not worth it anyway one way or another with your hand when lying down winked
  24. fif21
    fif21 22 October 2020 16: 30
    +3
    You never know what a member of the EP blurted out! No Russian troops will enter Karabakh under any sauce. And Russia is simply unable to ensure the integrity of Armenia because of the position of Georgia and Iran (refusal to pass the RF Armed Forces)
    Unfortunately Lavrov with GDP wants to please everyone, the toothless policy of a regional power. Complete surrender of positions in the Caucasus, sluggish conflicts in the LPR, Transnistria, flirting with Bandera and the Sultan.
    You can minus, but the realities are request
    1. Runway
      Runway 22 October 2020 16: 42
      -2
      Your suggestions for correcting the situation (your second paragraph).
      If it is critical for you, I gave you +.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 22 October 2020 16: 45
      -2
      Quote: fif21
      You can minus, but the realities are

      Only the sect of "Joyful Witnesses" minus for the truth .. I agree with you .. so it is ..
  25. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 22 October 2020 16: 35
    -2
    This Karabakh war is a diplomatic trap planned by the United States for the Russian Federation, so that, in addition to Syria, the Russian Federation is even deeper bogged down with Turkey in regional conflicts around its borders.
    The Russian Federation has neither the strength nor the international authority of the USSR to get involved in another war in the Caucasus.
  26. horror
    horror 22 October 2020 16: 41
    +6
    It should be noted that all this time Azerbaijan pursued not a bad policy: it established not bad relations with its neighbors (except for Armenia), good relations with the Kremlin, did not allow anti-Russian and anti-Russian attacks, invested heavily in the Armed Forces, cooperates with many countries in the military sphere, including and with Russia. Armenia can be said to have done the opposite, and anti-Russian attacks, including anti-Russian attacks, are off scale even among the Armenians living in the Russian Federation. Thanks to this policy of Armenia, if Russia decides to intervene in the conflict, the population of the Russian Federation will not support its government, to put it mildly. Therefore, the success of Azerbaijan in this conflict is natural.
  27. Voentorg
    Voentorg 22 October 2020 16: 45
    +2
    The incumbent Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan made calls to forget Armenia's heroic past back in 2005:

    “Let's stop praising our ancestors and ask ourselves a very pragmatic question: what did these ancestors bequeathed to us, what did they leave behind? Nothing more than nothing. Because “nothing” is when you have to start from scratch, and we have to start, I don’t know with what minus, because our ancestors left us only such a stock of Genocides, humiliation, betrayal and immorality, which, as it turns out, is difficult to overcome. extremely difficult ",

    Now Pashinyan, with the drain of Karabakh, wants to enter the list of traitors to his people.

    "I condemn our ancestors, I curse them, because they did nothing to make us live more dignified and more proud today."

    I mean, it is necessary to merge Karabakh for a bright future in NATO.
  28. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 October 2020 16: 55
    +4
    It's funny how the authors of the "initiatives" are going to "stop Turkey" ?? ... Erdogan, instead of the Turks, gathers thousands of "half-turks" in all the Middle Eastern garbage dumps and throws them into the mountain-forest area. It will be Chechnya-3 again. "Peaceful shepherds" will work out the future war on Russian guys.
    In the 80s, the introduction of conscripts absolutely did not stop the brutal men from the Caucasus.
  29. Stock
    Stock 22 October 2020 16: 58
    +4
    Yes, there will be no entry of troops if nothing extraordinary happens. Everything has already been discussed between the Kremlin, Ankara and Baku. Zatulin should not be taken seriously even though he represents the party in power. He has been lobbying Armenia for a very long time
  30. certero
    certero 22 October 2020 17: 06
    -1
    Quote: Dym71
    De jure

    Those Russian men who were killed by the Bulgarians in the First World War do not agree with you.
  31. faterdom
    faterdom 22 October 2020 17: 06
    +6
    You can help people. Both sides of the conflict. Deport one hundred of the most every day! high-ranking and influential Armenians and Azerbaijanis or their historical homelands.
    In 10-12 days it will become much quieter there, and Moscow, by the way, too (side effect).
    They deprived Mara Baghdasaryan of her rights, but you want to ride, but with adrenaline? No question - with a T-72 mechanic in Karabakh!
    Do you like to dissect along the Nevsky Prospect, sniffing the laughing gas? Go ahead, earn a medal "For the city of Dzhabrail"!
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 22 October 2020 18: 43
      -2
      So the Armenians themselves do not need this Karabakh:
      Pashinyan is draining his troops (the air defense is inactive), the diaspora does not give money for weapons, there is no flow of volunteers.
      This is not a war, but an agreement, the United States has agreed with the Armenian leadership on the creation of Karabakh, you just need to formalize it and that's it.
  32. Babayka babaykin
    Babayka babaykin 22 October 2020 17: 28
    0
    Armenia is not our friend, they have already shown it
  33. JD1979
    JD1979 22 October 2020 17: 45
    -2
    The lack of a coherent policy and, most importantly, a sober assessment of what is happening in the former republics of the union led Russia to the classic Zugzwang.
    If you interfere, they will again make them extreme / invaders / Stalinist revanchists, etc. by the list
    If he does not intervene, the militant id * you will turn their countries into zones of permanent conflicts (like Afghanistan, Libya) where Turkey will gladly drop in with its neo-Ottomanism and a desire to get even for the bummer in Syria. And all this will happen according to the next extreme / strict / Chinese warnings / concerns from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which are paid the same attention as the background noise of the fan.
  34. Sgt.
    Sgt. 22 October 2020 17: 57
    +2
    Another option is to send Armenians and Azerbaijanis from Russia to their historical homeland.
    The war will end faster)
  35. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 22 October 2020 19: 16
    +2
    The smell of Afghanistan smelled in the air with all these "must ... otherwise ...".
    30 years since the collapse - and our policy of the Cat Leopold with frozen conflicts and often muddy between "de jure" and "de facto" - creeps out more and more often. And if before the collapse of the USSR it was our business, now it is not our business, it will be enough to feed the orphan and the poor all over the world with our hands - we ourselves are now, without five minutes, we are breathing, who will help us?
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 October 2020 19: 51
      +3
      Oh nafig. You are clearly talking about some other country. We are a powerful world power with an equally powerful economy. Well, at least that's what the TV says.
  36. 123456789
    123456789 22 October 2020 20: 35
    +4
    Should Russia interfere militarily in the Karabakh conflict?

    Organize the formation and dispatch of national battalions to the conflict zone: 2,4 million Armenians and 2 million Azerbaijanis live in the Russian Federation. All men of military age - under arms. The national diasporas should take the lead.
  37. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 22 October 2020 22: 46
    0
    It will not be very fun if Russia helps Armenia to defend Karabakh, and a year later another Pashinyan will drag Armenia into NATO, and the likelihood is high given Pashinyan's position, while making Azerbaijan an enemy for Russia, we will aggravate relations with Turkey and remain a fool. So until the pro-Russian leader in Yerevan is directly involved in this conflict, it makes no sense, now we have a choice of either strengthening Turkey in the Caucasus, or strengthening NATO's positions, and all the result of our "flexible" policy, both yours and ours, but has long been known that you can't sit on two chairs for a long time, you can even crash to the floor.
  38. Scipio
    Scipio 23 October 2020 13: 13
    -1
    Let Armenia understand its own problems! Did you want independence? Receive and sign. Take care of yourself somehow
  39. Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky 23 October 2020 13: 16
    0
    Yes, I do not care, even if they are French, but at least the Spaniards are of any use? They are already present in Georgia or Ukraine or the Baltics. What will happen that is critical for us if they appear in Armenia?
  40. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 24 October 2020 13: 19
    0
    I propose to send 1 (one) person Russian troops to Armenia. And this person should be Konstantin Zatulin. He wants to protect Armenia from Azerbaijan and Turkey - the flag is in his hands!
  41. Suslin
    Suslin 24 October 2020 13: 21
    0
    Russia, in my opinion, should try to bring peacekeepers from the CSTO countries and Iran to Karabakh. Then it will be clear what the CSTO is.
  42. serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 25 October 2020 04: 39
    0
    I have a deep feeling .... First, NK is almost 10 tons of square kilometers of fertile land, the grapes growing there makes it possible to earn more than 10 thousand greens per hectare. Even if modern weapons were purchased for part of this money, no one would be afraid of them. Second, let's say you live in Tula, although you were born in NK and you have close relatives there. If anything, the inheritance does not threaten you, so the Armenians are in no hurry to go to help fight. In general, as always, hope for the Armenian maybe. The main question is whether it is worth sticking your trunk in Russia. I think, according to the situation, but rather worth it, there is something to be interested in.
  43. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 11: 09
    0
    Quote: Suslin
    Russia, in my opinion, should try to bring peacekeepers from the CSTO countries and Iran to Karabakh. Then it will be clear what the CSTO is.

    No one will allow Russia to form a contingent of peacekeepers on the territory of a country that is not a member of the CSTO. If it were on the territory of Armenia, then yes, maybe. And so, the computer will be in the peacekeepers to decide for Azerbaijan. Therefore, Iran can fly past the peacekeeping contingent like plywood over Paris. And it is possible to draw a conclusion about what the CSTO is without conflicts. It is enough to see which countries are members of the CSTO, their military potential and their relationship with Russia ...

    Quote: Svidetel 45
    It will not be very fun if Russia helps Armenia to defend Karabakh, and a year later another Pashinyan will drag Armenia into NATO

    Will not drag. Armenia will have an unsettled territorial dispute with a neighboring country and something out of the ordinary must happen for a country that has unresolved territorial disputes to be admitted to NATO. Because of this, Georgia cannot join NATO because of Abkhazia and South Ossetia
  44. flicker
    flicker 26 October 2020 15: 27
    0
    It is worth recalling that the lack of initiative on the part of Russia in the future will lead to the fact that Armenia will no longer turn to Moscow for help, but to Washington and Paris.
    Well, let him apply.
    Let's see how Washington and Paris (which have their own problems) will resolve this conflict.
    Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan will no longer like this, which will be forced to consolidate and begin to drift more actively towards allied relations with Russia.
    ---
    It is precisely the (military) non-intervention of Russia that creates essential prerequisites for ending the conflict - because the main goal of this conflict (for the main beneficiaries - the United States and Israel) is the active (military) involvement of Russia in this conflict on the side of Armenia (which will subsequently throw Russia - Pashinyan will not let you lie).
    ---
    It cost the West nothing to end this conflict - it is enough to turn off the GPE navigation and stop supplying Turkey and Azerbaijan with components for drones.
    But they don’t do it - so the conflict is beneficial to them.
    ---
    No Soros would have brought Pashinyan to power in Armenia if the American Armenian diaspora had not influenced the Armenian elite.
    Sargsyan, who stood at the origins of Karabakh's struggle to return to Armenia in the late 80s as the secretary of the regional NGO committee, was not afraid (which is strange) to oppose the party's line on this issue. Either the man is so courageous, or he received an instruction (through the party bosses of Armenia, and the latter from their overseas relatives). Rather, the second, because it painfully quickly merged under the pressure of Pashinyan, it seems that he again received a directive from his American relatives.
    ---
    We have one major battle ahead - with the United States and their partners Britain and Israel.
    ---
    Therefore, the best thing that we can do for Armenia is to maintain neutrality, then there is an opportunity to influence Azerbaijan and come to some kind of peace agreement.
  45. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 26 October 2020 21: 06
    -3
    What do you think of yourself ... is bringing troops to our land on its own ... finally come down to earth and stop turning everyone around into enemies!
  46. Bronekot
    Bronekot 26 October 2020 21: 58
    0
    We must show who is the boss in the Caucasian chicken coop. The best option is to return the Azerbaijani land to Azerbaijan. Include the status of the Tax Code in the RF. Establish a government loyal to us in Armenia. Otherwise the Turks will be there. We must act quickly and tough.
  47. Jcvai
    Jcvai 18 November 2020 11: 29
    0
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    With Turkey, Russia, sisters forever ..

    strange sisters: for almost the entire history they fought with each other, competed, and joint actions ... except that the business is small.