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October 22, 1962. Quarantine that could end with a nuclear "apocalypse"

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In our difficult days, the word "quarantine" has become, alas, not just habitual, but almost the most common for tens and hundreds of millions of people on the planet. However, the decision announced 58 years ago in his address to the nation by US President John F. Kennedy meant something completely different. It was about the naval blockade of Cuba, to which at that time ships with nuclear missiles and components of launchers for them were moving at full speed from the USSR. The world froze on the brink of a suicidal global conflict.


Today this confrontation is known to us under the name of the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is considered by most historians to be the moment of the greatest approach of humanity to self-destruction in the flame of a thermonuclear war. As everyone probably remembers, it all began with the deployment of 15 PGM-19 Jupiter medium-range missiles by the United States in Turkey. Medium, then average, but these missiles, capable of carrying an atomic charge, could hit Moscow and most of the industrial and administrative centers of the USSR without any problems.

Taking into account the fact that they were able to cover the distance to their targets in just 10 minutes, our country was, in fact, completely defenseless against a possible strike. Moreover, at that time the Soviet Union had a significant lag behind the United States in the field of strategic nuclear weapons. He had several times less warheads and effective delivery vehicles! Yes, the three hundred warheads and bombs that the USSR had would have been enough for the Americans (like the USSR had 6 American), but the question was whether the USSR would have managed to strike at least in return. Located in such perilous proximity, the Jupiters seriously altered the balance of power.

The answer was found quickly enough and in a truly Khrushchev manner - simply and “angrily”. Since the impudent Yankees are pushing rockets at our side, we will put our own in their "backyard", in Cuba! Moreover, Commander Fidel has long longed for a much closer friendship with Moscow. Here he will receive it. In addition to the Soviet military contingent stationed on Freedom Island and the atomic arms... Tellingly, Castro did not really express the slightest objection to this turn of events, having his own specific motives.

Socialist Cuba stuck out like a bone in Washington's throat, its leader understood that an attempt to bring “democracy” to the island in a missile and bomb version was only a matter of time, and not too distant. So maybe the presence of the Soviet Army will cool hot heads in the United States? Looking ahead, I will say that everything turned out exactly the opposite, but at the initial stage events developed quite well: the USSR launched Operation Anadyr, during which two dozen R-12 missiles were sent across the ocean, hitting at 2 kilometers, and sixteen R -16, which had twice the range. Each of them was ready to convey a fiery thermonuclear "hello" of 1 megaton to both Washington and most of the bases of the strategic aviation The US Air Force.

The problems began from the moment when the American U-2 spy planes diving over Cuba with might and main recorded the presence there of both being built and already fully equipped positions of Soviet ballistic missiles. A fascinating photo reportage on this topic first came to the CIA, and then to the Pentagon and the White House. For the US leadership, this news has become a cold shower. At the highest level, immediate consultations were launched on the response. Basically, all the proposals boiled down to three: to hit the missiles, "before it's too late" (although in fact it was too late), start an invasion of the island, or try to completely block it. Fortunately, we settled on the latter.

The problem was that a naval blockade, according to international law, is already an act of war in itself, as opposed to the deployment of any weapons anywhere. The Americans really did not want to act as aggressors, because on October 22, Kennedy announced only a quarantine - the US Navy patrolling the area around Cuba of 500 nautical miles in order to "prevent the transportation of weapons to the island." Moscow answered unequivocally that the captains of the Soviet ships would not even think to follow any orders of American naval sailors, and in which case the USSR would take "any measures" to ensure their safety.

Four ships, loaded with missiles, accompanied by the same number of submarines that covered them, continued on their way to Liberty Island. Then events began to develop according to the brutal scenario that everyone remembered: both the United States and the USSR, and their NATO and OVD allies brought their troops into a state of complete combat readiness, there was continuous correspondence between the leaders of states, as emotional as it was fruitless. In attempts to reach an agreement peacefully, the next U-2 shot down by Soviet rocket engineers over Cuba and the death of its pilot almost put it ... In the end, everything came to the "black Saturday" on October 27, when orders were almost given, which, most likely, would draw the line under history humanity.

Ultimately, the crisis was resolved to the mutual satisfaction of all parties - in exchange for the withdrawal of Soviet troops and nuclear weapons from Cuba, Washington made a firm promise to abandon plans to invade Cuba, which, surprisingly, is still being fulfilled. Also, the United States removed its missiles from Turkey and generally after that began to behave somewhat more modestly. The history of the Cuban missile crisis still contains a whole heap of reservations, secrets and mysteries, despite the fact that a whole library has been written about it and many films have been shot.

One of these "white spots" is the story that happened on the same day when John F. Kennedy, shocking and awe his compatriots, broadcast from TV screens about the quarantine for Cuba and Soviet missiles aimed at them from there. On October 22, 1962, one of the most famous "werewolf" spies in the history of the USSR, Colonel of the GRU Oleg Penkovsky, who worked diligently for both American and British intelligence, was quietly detained in Moscow. To this day, the most heated debates of people holding directly opposite points of view are going on regarding his role in the Cuban missile crisis.

Some of the researchers are inclined to believe that it was Penkovsky who "leaked" the top-secret "Anadyr" to the CIA, which is why the Americans were ready. Others argue that, on the contrary, the information provided to them that the Kremlin will in no way back down in this conflict forced Washington to be compliant and deter Kennedy from attacking Liberty Island. Still others even claim that the traitor-colonel by the time of the terrible events was under such tight control of the KGB officers and his own colleagues that he could not transmit any information to the West at all.

One way or another, Penkovsky was shot by the verdict of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR and took the absolute majority of his secrets to the grave. The fact that the handcuffs on his wrists were snapped into place on the day that almost became the point of the last countdown before the nuclear Apocalypse is most likely a coincidence. Although ... Who can know for sure?
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  1. apro
    apro 22 October 2020 05: 38 New
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    The CGA committed an act of piracy, and they try to keep silent about it, this whole crisis or quarantine, or even as the work of the amers, and creating a problem out of the blue, they say that they are victims ... and something needs to be resolved. Sovereign Cuba, a member of the United Nations. UN Security Council did something wrong? They are in their own right. As well as sga.
    The crisis was resolved nevertheless in favor of the CGA. In a political sense. They frightened Khrushch.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 07: 30 New
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      Quote: apro
      and creating a problem out of the blue to vote that.

      Hrenase 'flat place' - Soviet
      R-16 two thousand kilometers from Washington. No cause for concern, yeah. Should American diplomacy just express concern?
      1. apro
        apro 22 October 2020 07: 50 New
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Hrenase 'flat place' - Soviet
        R-16 two thousand kilometers from Washington.

        Hrenase Jupiters 2 thousand km from Moscow?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 08: 31 New
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          Quote: apro
          Hrenase Jupiters 2 thousand km from Moscow?

          and what, Khrushchev too
          Quote: apro
          created a problem out of the blue
          , if you follow your logic? Something flat places almost brought the world to the handle.
          1. apro
            apro 22 October 2020 08: 39 New
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            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            if you follow your logic?

            Who first started?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 08: 57 New
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              Quote: apro
              Who first started?

              do you want a Hamburg account?
              then Comrade Stalin was the first to begin - denunciation of the treaty, territorial claims (26 thousand square kilometers), revision of Montreux and his own base in the Straits. After the death of Comrade Stalin, they rolled back, but Turkey was already in NATO and the consent to the deployment of American bases was a matter of time.
              What did the leader say there? Like, is it not a matter that a small state is holding a big one by the throat?
              1. apro
                apro 22 October 2020 09: 16 New
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                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Like, is it not a matter that a small state is holding a big one by the throat?

                Here it is. Turkey’s position at that time was to adhere to neutrality? With respect for the rights of neighbors? Or did it smoothly fall under the amers? ...
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 09: 47 New
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                  Quote: apro
                  or smoothly lay under the amers? ...

                  Well, the USSR could not fit it for itself. And then the usual logic of a weak and vulnerable state turns on. The Turks, of course, were not particularly delighted with the placement of the "Jupiters"
                  Quote: apro
                  was Turkey's position at that time to adhere to neutrality?

                  what kind of neutrality are we talking about? In fact, they talked to Turkey rather boorishly. And in general, both in relation to Turkey and in relation to Iran, the Soviets behaved like an elephant in a china shop. But due to the inertia of victory in the European war, they failed to implement their plans in this region. Although, in principle, there were some chances.
                  1. apro
                    apro 22 October 2020 10: 22 New
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                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    what kind of neutrality are we talking about? In fact, they talked to Turkey rather boorishly.

                    And Turkey did not behave in a boorish manner in the pre-war and war period? And why was the most powerful air defense area in Baku? There were reasons to expect an attack from the territory of Turkey, Iran, Syria, Egypt. Part of the territories under British control. for some reason, no. and games with the Nazis also took place. geography is a sentence. admission of military courts of non-Black Sea states violation of the Montreux regime.
                    Strict neutrality is a heavy duty ...
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 10: 56 New
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                      Quote: apro
                      And Turkey did not behave like a boor in the pre-war and war period?

                      What exactly is her rudeness expressed?
                      Quote: apro
                      there were reasons to expect a strike from Turkey

                      the Turks did not give any consent to participate in Pike. They prudently paused, believing that this plan would not be carried out.
                      1. apro
                        apro 22 October 2020 11: 13 New
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                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        What exactly is her rudeness expressed?

                        Anlo funko Turkish military agreement. At the peak of Germany's victories rapprochement.
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        the Turks did not give any consent to participate in Pike

                        The USSR had enough enemies even without the Germans ...
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 11: 51 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        The USSR had enough enemies even without the Germans ...

                        what have the Germans got to do with it, I talked about Operation Pike.
                        Quote: apro
                        Anlo funko Turkish military agreement. At the peak of Germany's victories rapprochement.

                        there was not yet any "peak of victories" for Germany in October 1939.
                        Well, we got closer to France and Britain - so what? Wrong position? And it was necessary to get closer to the Reich and the Soviets in 1939? The Turks maneuvered, realizing that they could be devoured to hell, this agreement was at least some kind of guarantee.
                        Just the same "at the peak of the victories" of the Reich, they signed a non-aggression and friendship treaty with him 3 days before Barbarossa. And 3 days after it began, they proclaimed their neutrality.
                      3. apro
                        apro 22 October 2020 12: 01 New
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                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Well, we got closer to France and Britain - so what?

                        Nothing ... it will pass by itself ... against the background of the planned attacks on Baku ...
                        The fuzzy position. Implies doublethink ... in the Eastern tradition.
                      4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 12: 17 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        against the background of planned attacks on Baku ...

                        there was no such background in October 39. It arose when the Red Army began knocking on the Mannerheim line with its forehead. And at the negotiations with the Turks in the 39th, the Soviets made it clear that in the event of their conflict with Germany they would not provide assistance. And at the same time they again combed the question of the straits.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 22 October 2020 07: 46 New
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    Quote: apro
    frightened Khrushchev. brought out the missiles.

    Before that, the United States deployed its missiles in Turkey. First, they are in Turkey, and then we are in Cuba. As a result of the negotiations, we removed ours, and they removed ours.
    So whose victory? In political terms - ours, but in informational terms we lost because Khrushchev promised the United States not to tell anyone that in this way he bent them and forced them to remove their missiles in Turkey. Now we are reaping the fruits of his silence ...
    1. apro
      apro 22 October 2020 07: 53 New
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      Both politically and militarily, it became clear that it was possible to put pressure on Khrushchev. And he swam ... Cuba and the USSR were in a state of war with the CFA? Were the states and governments of these countries of the USSR recognized?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 22 October 2020 08: 06 New
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        Quote: apro
        Both in the political and in the military, it became clear that you can put pressure on Khrushchev, and he swam ..

        Maybe so, but the US removed the missiles from Turkey.

        Quote: apro
        Cuba and the USSR were at war with the CFA?

        Officially - no, but practically - yes. Hot war in Korea, Vietnam, etc. The ideological war for the right to lead globalization in the world continues ...



        Quote: apro
        were both the states and governments of these countries recognized?

        Are you saying that the United States has not yet recognized the USSR (Russia)? wassat And do we need their recognition, because they recognize only the power or only those who are under them.
        1. apro
          apro 22 October 2020 08: 25 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          Maybe so, but the US removed the missiles from Turkey.

          So ... so ... they removed from Turkey but the bases and yaba were also in Japan and South Korea and in Germany and England ...
          Quote: Boris55
          Officially - no, but practically - yes.

          This is schizophrenia. Or yes or no. Officially, the USSR recognized the USSR as an independent sovereign state. And to resolve issues by peaceful means. In a spirit of mutual respect and cooperation. Did they want this?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 October 2020 09: 05 New
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            Quote: apro
            It's schizophrenia. Or yes or no

            I hope you have heard that there is a hot war, a cold one, and here's a new term - hybrid.
            I hope you also heard that the United States declared itself the victors in the Cold War. As for the hybrid war that goes against us today on all fronts, it is a war waged on all six priorities of governance.



            1. A culture alien to us is being imposed on us. They form a different worldview.
            2. We are constantly being rewritten and imposed on a "new" history.
            3. Western ideology of values ​​is being imposed on us.
            4. The purchasing power of our money depends on the dollar exchange rate.
            5. Alcohol, tobacco, drugs - the recipients of profits over the hill, the sick - with us.
            6. We are constantly attacked by the irregular army of the West represented by terrorists.

            It is not necessary to perceive the war only as tank columns from one side go to meet tank columns from the other side.
            1. apro
              apro 22 October 2020 09: 11 New
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              Let's go without a mare ... not interesting.
              The situation when sovereign states solve their tasks to ensure security should not worry anyone. We were not asked when they created their blocs and alliances. The right of power has a double-edged component.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 October 2020 09: 16 New
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                Quote: apro
                the law of force has a double-edged component.

                The difference is that they need strength in order to oppress, we - so as not to be oppressed.

                TWO UNITS

                From a cup overflowing with God's wrath
                Blood is pouring over the edge, and the West is drowning in it.
                Blood will flow on you, our friends and brothers! -
                Slavic world, close tightly ...

                “Unity,” declared the oracle of our day, “
                It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "
                But we will try to solder it with love, -
                And then we'll see what is stronger ...


                September 1870 Fyodor Tyutchev.

                ps
                What do you dislike about KOB, from what I brought in the post above?
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 15: 39 New
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                  Quote: Boris55
                  But we will try to solder it with love, -
                  And then we'll see what is stronger ...

                  well, well, and how are you? Does love bear fruit?
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 10: 10 New
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              Quote: Boris55
              1. A culture alien to us is being imposed on us. They form a different worldview.
              2. We are constantly being rewritten and imposed on a "new" history.
              3. Western ideology of values ​​is being imposed on us.
              4. The purchasing power of our money depends on the dollar exchange rate.
              5. Alcohol, tobacco, drugs - the recipients of profits over the hill, the sick - with us.
              6. We are constantly attacked by the irregular army of the West represented by terrorists.

              how scary to live. All around, genetic handicapped people lead an unbridled Western lifestyle at the behest of history scribes. Nightmare.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 10: 01 New
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            Quote: apro
            It's schizophrenia. Or yes or no.

            for sure)
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 09: 51 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      So whose victory? Politically, our

      Why is that? What is the essence of this "victory"?
  • val43
    val43 22 October 2020 10: 24 New
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    Oleg, have you tried to write correctly?
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 October 2020 06: 40 New
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    м
    It all began with the deployment of 15 PGM-19 Jupiter medium-range missiles by the United States in Turkey.
    posted by SSHA, but Turkey allowedeternal enemy of Russia.

    And today it is advancing in the Caucasus, not recognizing Crimea, making huge investments in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Gagauzia ... But a hundred years ago there was a real chance to destroy it, but no, they saved it ...

    Ultimately, the crisis was resolved to the mutual satisfaction of all parties - in exchange for the withdrawal of Soviet troops and nuclear weapons from Cuba, Washington made a firm promise to abandon plans to invade Cuba, which, surprisingly, is still being fulfilled. Also, the United States removed its missiles from Turkey and generally after that began to behave somewhat more modestly.


    USA wholly to blame for this - a for what did they count by placing missiles on the southern border of the USSR?

    So it would be more correct to call the crisis TURKISH, after its place actual occurrence.

    And thank God that everyone had enough sense to stop then ...
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 22 October 2020 07: 40 New
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      Whether that day or later ... I don't remember. But I remember that in Penza, even drunk in ... smoke, men began to shout: Now the rocket ... We will all burn! The cops pack one of these in a sobering-up station, and he told them - "Let's drink one last time!" I remember very much. All the vodka that day in our "blue" (store) snapped up ...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 13: 39 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      unrecognizing Crimea

      and Russia recognized the TRNC?
      Quote: Olgovich
      making huge investments in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Gagauzia

      what?
      Quote: Olgovich
      But a hundred years ago there was a real chance to destroy her

      debatable.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 October 2020 18: 14 New
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        and Russia recognized the TRNC?

        This is Turkey? belay No? AND WHAT are you comparing?
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        what?

        So what?
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        debatable.

        No
  • Undecim
    Undecim 22 October 2020 08: 31 New
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    The USSR launched Operation Anadyr, during which two dozen R-12 missiles were sent across the ocean, hitting 2 kilometers, and sixteen R-16s, which had twice the range. Each of them was ready to convey a fiery thermonuclear "hello" of 1 megaton
    The propagandist Kharaluzhny at least looked into the cheat sheet. The plan for Operation Anadyr was to transfer three regiments of RSD R-12 (24 launchers) and two regiments of R-14 missiles (16 launchers) to Cuba. The Soviet R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile was still being tested at that time and was not in service.
    In reality, only 36 R-12 missiles and warheads were delivered to Cuba. Ships with P-14 returned back due to the American blockade.

    Photographs of the San Cristobal area taken by the American U-2 reconnaissance aircraft on October 25, 1962.
    In total, about 160 nuclear charges were delivered to Cuba for the R-12, FKR-1, Luna missiles, as well as bombs and sea mines with a special charge.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 October 2020 08: 56 New
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    As everyone probably remembers, it all began with the deployment of 15 PGM-19 Jupiter medium-range missiles by the United States in Turkey.

    Like this? Did the United States take it, and did it?

    It just started much earlier. But everyone probably DOES NOT remember about this.

    Briefly, it was like this: in 1936 the USSR signed the Montreux Convention on the Status of the Straits. According to the convention, they were supposed to be in Turkey's area of ​​responsibility. However, almost ten years later, at conferences in Potsdam and Yalta, the USSR began to dispute it and present a number of territorial claims to Turkey. Moreover, among other things, he demanded for himself military bases on the straits, since the USSR was afraid of being locked in the Black Sea.
    On March 19, 1945, the Soviet-Turkish friendship treaty was unilaterally denounced by the Soviet Union. Turkey began active negotiations to conclude a new agreement and offered Moscow guarantees of unhindered passage of Soviet troops through its territory, but Stalin was not satisfied with these conditions. Molotov informed the Turkish leadership in June that Moscow was counting on joint control over the straits between the Black and Mediterranean Seas, as well as on adjusting the 1921 treaty. According to Moscow's calculations, Turkey was to return the Kars region and the lands near Yerevan and Batumi, which were part of Russia in the XNUMXth and early XNUMXth centuries. Ankara rejected the Soviet demands.
    The former allies of the USSR did not support the Soviet demands either. Moreover, Western leaders used Moscow's pressure on Turkey to justify anti-Soviet policies at the beginning of the Cold War.
    In 1946, against the background of aggravation of contradictions with the West, the USSR refused to escalate the conflict with Ankara.

    On May 30, 1953, after Stalin's death, the Soviet Union officially withdrew its territorial claims against Turkey. Despite this, Ankara, fearing that this could happen again, began to seek protection and approved the deployment of American military bases on its territory. Something like that. hi
    1. Bully
      Bully 22 October 2020 11: 37 New
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      Something like that

      Hmm, causal relationships are just a disaster. The behavior of the USSR is absolutely logical. As a result of the war, the victorious countries divided the world as it was beneficial for them. As you know, Turkey was in the camp of the defeated and for tens of millions of Soviet people killed to tear off the straits is only a small fraction of retribution. The Americans, for example, have sent troops to Germany and are still not going to leave.
      But this
      On May 30, 1953, after Stalin's death, the Soviet Union officially withdrew its territorial claims against Turkey. Despite this, Ankara, fearing that this could happen again, began to seek protection and approved the deployment of American military bases on its territory.

      just a pearl. Somewhere I have met such rhetoric. In my opinion, at Tacitus, where he bashfully tries to hide behind vague useless phrases the reason for the shameful flight of the Romans from the lands of the Baltic Slavs
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 12: 09 New
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        Quote: Bully
        As you know, Turkey was in the camp of the defeated

        enchanting.
        And who identified Turkey in the "camp of the vanquished"?
        Quote: Bully
        and tearing off the straits for tens of millions of dead Soviet people is only a small fraction of retribution.

        what kind of retribution are we talking about? For what victims? You would not lean on Tacitus, but at least leaf through the history of WWII.
        1. Bully
          Bully 22 October 2020 12: 23 New
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          Do you think that the price of Victory in the Second World War should be used only as a patriotic slogan. From time immemorial, the fruits of victory by the winner have been used as compensation for the price of victory, and this is absolutely true. The Jews already know this more than anyone else.
          what kind of retribution are we talking about? For what victims? You would not lean on Tacitus, but at least leaf through the history of WWII

          verbiage. Look at the root, comrade hi
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 12: 30 New
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            Quote: Bully
            the fruits of victory by the winner are used as compensation for the price of victory

            Was the USSR at war with Turkey? Why should I ask for reparations from her? Just because "we need the straits more than the Turks"?
      2. Engineer
        Engineer 22 October 2020 14: 23 New
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        Lord, at least do not drag Tacitus with the Slavs.
        He has no Slavs. There are Wends (most likely the ancestors of the Slavs). And the ancestors of the Slavs did not reach the Baltic at that time.
        You still have to grow up to Tacitus. You haven't read it.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 October 2020 18: 27 New
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        Quote: Bully
        As you know, Turkey was in the camp of the defeated

        However ... and who then on 23.02.1945 declared war on the Reich? belay
        You did not confuse the Second World War with the First?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 19: 16 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          You did not confuse the Second World War with the First?

          he did not confuse, judging by
          Quote: Bully
          for tens of millions of dead Soviet people

          Even for an admirer of Tacitus, it would have been too much - to call the RI subjects "Soviet people"))
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 22 October 2020 18: 44 New
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      To what I said earlier, I just want to add one quote.
      In 1957, Khrushchev, criticizing Molotov, said:
      “After all, we had close friendships with the Turks after the bourgeois revolution ... We defeated the Germans. My head started spinning. Turks, comrades, friends. No, let's write a note, and immediately the Dardanelles will give back. There are no such fools. The Dardanelles are not Turkey, there is a knot of states. No, they took a note, specifically wrote that we were terminating the friendship agreement, and spat in the face of the Turks. Now we say the words, and they say why they spat, it means they thought something. On what grounds? This is stupid. However, we have lost friendly Turkey and now we have American bases in the south, which are keeping our south under fire. "
      1. not main
        not main 22 October 2020 23: 26 New
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        Quote: A. Privalov
        However, we have lost friendly Turkey

        Oops! And with whom did we fight 12 times? Yes, more than we did not fight with the Turks! And "suddenly" friendly? Look at the latest events!
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 23 October 2020 00: 29 New
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          Quote: non-primary
          Quote: A. Privalov
          However, we have lost friendly Turkey

          Oops! And with whom did we fight 12 times? Yes, more than we did not fight with the Turks! And "suddenly" friendly? Look at the latest events!

          Are you kidding me? Or was the dating of the quoted passage simply overlooked?
          1. not main
            not main 23 October 2020 00: 41 New
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            Quote: A. Privalov
            Are you kidding me? Or was the dating of the quoted passage simply overlooked?

            Yes, he did not answer with a quote! But in essence. I apologize for my mistake!
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 23 October 2020 07: 40 New
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              Quote: non-primary
              Yes, he did not answer with a quote! But in essence. I apologize for my mistake!

              It happens. Nothing wrong.
              Over the past 60 years, a lot has changed in the world ... hi
  • Undecim
    Undecim 22 October 2020 09: 03 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    So it would be more correct to call the crisis TURKISH, according to the place of its actual origin.

    Why not Italian?
    Somehow everyone forgets that in 1959, exactly the same missiles were deployed in Italy and only two years later - in Turkey.
    The straight-line distance from the Gioia del Colle airbase, where the missiles were stationed in Italy, to Moscow is 2200 kilometers, and from Izmir, around which the PGM-19 missile positions in Turkey were located, 2100 kilometers.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 22 October 2020 09: 18 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      Quote: Olgovich
      So it would be more correct to call the crisis TURKISH, according to the place of its actual origin.

      Why not Italian?
      Somehow everyone forgets that in 1959, exactly the same missiles were deployed in Italy and only two years later - in Turkey.
      The straight-line distance from the Gioia del Colle airbase, where the missiles were stationed in Italy, to Moscow is 2200 kilometers, and from Izmir, around which the PGM-19 missile positions in Turkey were located, 2100 kilometers.

      Stalin did not like pizza. I drank Georgian wine. Musolini was burning in hell. He simply had nothing to show Italy.
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 October 2020 10: 36 New
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        There was something. And there was an attempt.
        The USSR demanded for itself not only a base in Turkey, but also in Libya, in Tripolitania on the grounds that it was a former Italian colony.
        If you believe Molotov as presented by Chuikov, then after voicing the Soviet demand for a base in Libya, the British minister had to give a shock injection,
        “We needed Libya after the war. Stalin says: “Come on, press!” ... At one of the meetings of the meeting of the foreign ministers (of the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition - editor's note), I announced that a national liberation movement had emerged in Libya. But it is still weak, we want to support it and build our military base there. Bevin (British Foreign Secretary - ed.) Felt bad. They even gave him an injection ... Bevin jumped up, shouting: “This is shock, shock! Shock, shock! You were never there! " (From the book "One hundred and forty conversations with Molotov: From the diary of F. Chuev" ".)

        Charles de Gaulle also wrote about this case.
        But then, making sure that the British were not going to give in, and Truman was not Roosevelt, they outplayed everything and began to demand the return of the colonies of Italy, counting on the strong positions of the Italian communists at that time. But nothing happened there either.
        As for Turkey, there were Stalin's ideas about the return of Mount Ararat. In general, the USSR had broad plans to reshape the world after the war. But not everything worked out, but created problems. One of them is with Turkey.
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          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 17: 17 New
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          Quote: Avior
          Stalin says: "Come on, press!" ...

          with Turkey and Iran was also in the mode # let's press))
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 October 2020 20: 29 New
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            The USSR tried to squeeze the maximum out of the results of World War II.
            And, it seems, they squeezed too much, there was a reaction of counteraction, which then hid for a long time in the form of the Cold War.
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              I think, yes.
              1. Liam
                Liam 22 October 2020 20: 47 New
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                This proves once again that the then Soviet rulers, with their 3 classes of parish, led by a genius with 7 classes of theological seminary in foreign policy, did not see beyond their noses and could not calculate even two steps ahead. Snatch (or try) everything that is bad. lies unceremoniously - their event horizon since summer 39.
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  • ee2100
    ee2100 22 October 2020 10: 31 New
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    With Penkovsky's betrayal, it's not all that simple. The Internet is full of information about this. The argument in favor that Penkovsky is not a traitor - in his service he did not have access to nuclear missile information.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: ee2100
      Penkovsky is not a traitor

      Are you a relative of him?
  • Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 22 October 2020 11: 16 New
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    Was in Cuba last year, many young people (both newcomers and local) are dressed in shorts and T-shirts with the image of the Stars and Stripes flag. To the question to the guide (a military penny of the Cuban army, trained in the USSR) "Why is that? They don't beat their faces for this?", He received the answer that the population has long considered the Yankees as enemies.
    Well, there are a lot of Chinese flags over brand new factories, occasionally our tricolor over brand new ones ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2020 11: 29 New
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      I could. And "perestroika" ended with an apocalypse.
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      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 22 October 2020 12: 24 New
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      Quote: Gvardeetz77
      "Why is that? They don't beat their faces for it?"

      this question, perhaps, would be appropriate in Pyongyang, not in Havana)
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 October 2020 20: 32 New
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        Give it time. In Vietnam, a monument was erected to McCain in Vietnam.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 22 October 2020 12: 23 New
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    Not R-16, but R-14. Correct.
    R-16 is an ICBM ("grandmother" of the "Voevoda") https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0-16
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 22 October 2020 13: 31 New
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      And again: what "unreasonable schoolboy" is minus? :)
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2020 15: 25 New
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    [b] AUTHOR! Since when have R-16 ICBMs been deployed in Cuba? ICBMs were deployed only on the territory of the USSR and were never taken out anywhere.

    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Hrenase 'flat place' - Soviet
    R-16 two thousand kilometers from Washington. No cause for concern, yeah. Should American diplomacy just express concern?

    The distance between the Soviet R-16 missiles and Washington was at least 7000 km.

    Quote: Boris55
    Before that, the United States deployed its missiles in Turkey. First, they are in Turkey, and then we are in Cuba. As a result of the negotiations, we removed ours, and they removed ours.
    So whose victory? In political terms - ours, but in informational terms we lost because Khrushchev promised the United States not to tell anyone that in this way he bent them and forced them to remove their missiles in Turkey. Now we are reaping the fruits of his silence ...

    This is already the culmination of the crisis. In principle, we must consider how and when we began to deploy our missiles on the territory of our allies and when the Americans. We consider most often the reaction to the deployment of American missiles in England, Italy and Turkey. And what was their reaction to ???

    Quote: Undecim
    The propagandist Kharaluzhny at least looked into the cheat sheet. The plan for Operation Anadyr was to transfer three regiments of RSD R-12 (24 launchers) and two regiments of R-14 missiles (16 launchers) to Cuba. The Soviet R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile was still being tested at that time and was not in service.

    Comrade! You are not entirely correct. The R-16 was already in service with either 30 or 32 launchers. Exactly in Plesetsk, the rest of the locations - you need to look
    The R-14s were really not delivered. Although, according to some information (in particular, according to the recollections of the participants), one battery of R-14 missiles was delivered to Cuba. But no fuel was delivered. The warheads for the R-14 were delivered. And out of 24 launchers R-12 at the peak of the crisis, only 8 launchers were ready

    Quote: A. Privalov
    Like this? Did the United States take it, and did it?

    It just started much earlier.

    Dear Alexander! It was interesting to read your post, but they have nothing to do with the deployment of missiles in Turkey.
    The deployment of Jupiter missiles in Turkey was preceded by the US-Turkish agreement signed in March 1960 on the deployment of the 866th Jupiter MRBM Squadron in Turkey in the Izmir region, which was previously planned to be deployed in Italy.
    In November 1961, the transfer of the 866th squadron to Turkey began and only in April 1962.
    the operational readiness of the Jupiter MRBM squadron in Turkey has been achieved.

    Quote: Bersaglieri
    R-16 is an ICBM ("grandmother" of the "Voevoda")

    This is not even a grandmother, but the great-grandmother of "Voevoda"