Military Review

Cold War of the USA with China and its prospects

95

Today it is absolutely clear that the United States is losing its position as a superpower (empire), moreover, it is rapidly moving towards an internal explosion, confusion. And China, on the contrary, is introducing a system of imperial views on its future, which is reflected in the growing tension in relations with its neighbors: Taiwan, Japan, India, etc.


Chinese superpower


The trade (economic) war between the United States and China develops into a cold one. There is an obvious increase in Chinese pressure on Taiwan, which Beijing considers historical part of the Celestial Empire. The Americans are arming Taipei despite repeated protests from Beijing. In the East China and South China Seas, there are accidents involving ships from the United States and China. This is due to the problem of Taiwan, the disputed Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands. The Americans are supporting China's rivals in the region and demonstrating a military presence, which irritates Beijing.

Under pressure from Washington, major manufacturers, including tech monsters like Apple, Microsoft and Google, are moving production out of China. In response, Beijing announced the rejection of credit and financial capitalism. There is a transition to a system of state economy closed to the Central Committee of the CPC (Central Committee of the Communist Party of China) with the inclusion of fragments of the private sector. Beijing plans to deepen the "civil-military merger." Private companies are required to behave in accordance with the political and ideological goals of the PRC. In essence, this is mobilization.

As a result, an imperial system of views is being introduced in China. Secretary General Xi Jinping - the red emperor, the beginning of a new dynasty, the party - the imperial order. Foreign policy changes in accordance with ideology. Hence the growing tension in relations with Taiwan, Japan, India and the United States. The Japanese government is protesting over the appearance of Chinese ships off the Senkaku Islands. Japan controls these islands in the East China Sea. But the PRC and the Republic of China (Taiwan) consider them their own. In 2020, relations between China and India have escalated. The armed clash took place over the disputed Aksaychin region on the border of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China, Pakistan and India. The territory is controlled by China but contested by India. Beijing regularly expresses its readiness to restore the territorial integrity of the historical Celestial Empire. Return Taiwan. And the United States is trying to strike at the weak points of China: Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong.

New cold war


Relations between the old American and the new Chinese empires have escalated against the backdrop of a severe global systemic crisis that is rapidly escalating into a catastrophe. Both powers now have major internal problems. In the United States, there is a conflict of elites, the current presidential elections are openly heading for civil conflict. Under Trump, Washington is shifting to a policy of "brilliant isolation", leaving the role of "world gendarme". America is losing its ideological hegemony. Western democracy as the basis for the successful development of any nation is failing. The "black revolution", the continuation of the color revolutions that Washington itself organized around the planet, can cause the collapse of the States familiar to the whole world.

The PRC has its own problems. It is necessary to abandon the role of a "world factory" and develop domestic consumption. To create in Asia and on the planet its own circle of satellite countries and work out a formula of ideological influence on other countries. Solve the problem of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities. Save the Soviet system, avoiding the sad fate of the USSR. At the same time, to keep the measure, not to fall to the totalitarian-repressive dictatorship, which is short-lived. Return Taiwan to the country and prevent the power from collapsing into turmoil, in a new era of fighting kingdoms. At the same time, trade with Japan, Europe and huge exports to the States do not allow Beijing to make drastic steps. Therefore, the Chinese authorities prefer to wait for the situation to mature.

The most important challenge for Beijing is a strategic agreement with Russia. Until now, the strategic alliance between Moscow and Beijing was only in Russian TV reports. China does not want to invest large funds in Russia, since the Russian elite is focused on Europe and the United States. The Russian media, public and politicians pay most of their attention to the West, not the East. Russia is identified with European civilization. Thus, Moscow severely limits the possibilities of the northern civilization, which is both East and West. Shallowly floating representatives of the privileged circles of society doom any project of theirs to dependence on Europe and the United States (and future collapse). There is no own project, no program and goal, there is only copying of Western ideas and values, trade. This led to the fact that Russia is degrading along with the West.

China again has to wait for some big world changes: big upheavals in Europe and the United States, a sudden inspiration in the Kremlin (force majeure circumstances) that will turn Russia to the East. In particular, the current "pandemic" hysteria may well destroy the EU-US system. China gets the opportunity to create its own empire.
Author:
Photos used:
Leslin liu
95 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 22 October 2020 18: 18
    14
    China again has to wait for some big world changes: big shocks in Europe and the United States,

    So this is China's long-standing policy
    "If you sit on the river bank for a long time, you can see the corpse of your enemy floating by."
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 22 October 2020 18: 35
      +9
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      China again has to wait for some big world changes: big shocks in Europe and the United States,

      So this is China's long-standing policy
      "If you sit on the river bank for a long time, you can see the corpse of your enemy floating by."

      Now China is not signing new contracts with the Russian Federation. Waiting to see who wins the US elections. If Biden wins, the ruble will collapse. All this is spoken by evil tongues, of course. And "in fact" everything is as in the article:
      The most important challenge for Beijing is a strategic agreement with Russia.
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 22 October 2020 19: 09
        18
        Quote: Hyperion
        And "in fact" everything is as in the article:
        The most important challenge for Beijing is a strategic agreement with Russia.

        The cat does not make strategic agreements with sausages. He just eats them.
        PS
        However ... For a while, a naive sausage, may really feel like a strategic partner.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2020 19: 32
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          However ... For a while, a naive sausage, may really feel like a strategic partner.

          Exactly.
          But the naive sausage suddenly woke up after, after the collapse of the USSR, the cat to replace the concept of "Air-Land Battle" put forward a new one, "Air-Sea Battle" She realized that she was next. And for some reason she did not agree.
          And she began to actively arm herself, taking advantage of the fact that the narrow-minded cat was confident that he was feeding her.

          I understand that your superiors would very much like the sausage to have a strong fight with the neighbor, and wasted all the forces on the confrontation. And the cat was able to devour it. But who said that the sausage has Ukrainian roots and is ready to ride a rake?

          As always, you are let down by complete ignorance of elementary materiel
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 22 October 2020 19: 41
            12
            Quote: Spade
            I understand that your superiors would very much like the sausage to have a strong fight with the neighbor, and wasted all the forces on the confrontation. And the cat was able to devour it. But who said that the sausage has Ukrainian roots and is ready to ride a rake?

            As always, you are let down by complete ignorance of elementary materiel

            And you, as always, in the absence of arguments, become personal. However, you do not shun outright lies, of which you have been repeatedly caught.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 October 2020 19: 50
              -10 qualifying.
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              And you, as always, in the absence of arguments

              Precisely in the absence? Are you sure?
              Got it! You only had enough to read the very last phrase. laughing laughing laughing

              But you on the topic did not say anything.

              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              and outright lies, of which they were repeatedly convicted.

              Well, of course, how could it be otherwise .... I remember.
              This is when you convinced me that you served, and at the same time never saw the class schedule. laughing

              But it is, the lyrics. Is there anything on the topic, or as usual? By the way, I will not give you any negative answers, even though your post is completely useless, because it does not carry any information. Let your gang be ashamed.
          2. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 22 October 2020 20: 14
            +9
            Quote: Spade
            from to replace the concept of "Air-Land Battle" put forward a new one, "Air-Sea Battle"

            Here's what's interesting. The aforementioned cat has not received a single meter of Russian soil. But the poverty-stricken "sausage" about which you are so worried has squeezed out not a meter, not a hectare, but many kilometers. And the lease of hundreds of thousands of hectares of arable land and forests, imperceptibly resembles the classic land squeezing from the Papuans, in the style of the 19th century. Even the timing is funny. Yet again. The same allegedly sausage, the only one in the world, brings more than 100 thousand servicemen at a time to winter exercises, where actions are practiced in frost, and with deep snow cover. But this, for the sake of repelling the aggression of the cat, in the subtropics and tropics. And nothing else yes
            Quote: Spade
            As always, you are let down by complete ignorance of elementary materiel

            Oh .... Are you with you on you?
            Quote: Spade
            But who said that the sausage has Ukrainian roots and is ready to ride a rake?

            A real sausage, the one without quotes, is very much inferior to Ukraine in terms of adequacy. The latter, at least by itself, does not climb into the mouth of the cat. Not to say that he fights back a lot, but so that voluntarily and with a song .... Here, Ukraine still has to learn and learn from the "master of multi-pass".
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 October 2020 20: 39
              -4
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              The aforementioned cat has not received a single meter of Russian soil.

              Come on...
              For example, he practically controls Ukraine completely. For their own money laughing
              The cat is generally a new type of colonizer. He does not need the formal right to lead, as the British did. However, this does not prevent him from cutting money from such colonies.


              Quote: Lannan Shi
              But the poverty-stricken "sausage" about which you are so worried has squeezed out not a meter, not a hectare, but many kilometers

              Exactly. Just gigantic squares laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

              Quote: Lannan Shi
              The same allegedly sausage, the only one in the world, brings more than 100 thousand servicemen at a time to winter exercises, where actions are practiced in frost, and with deep snow cover.

              Under the table.
              I understand that this is infinitely far from you .... But in order to train troops in combat operations in Arctic conditions, it is necessary not to withdraw 100 thousand for exercises, but to conduct systematic work. How, by the way, does the cat do

              Quote: Lannan Shi
              But this, for the sake of repelling the aggression of the cat

              You may not know, but in Urumqi it happens to minus forty. And there ALREADY you have to use force
              It is also not particularly hot in winter in Tibet, Inner Mongolia ... Did you skip geography?

              Quote: Lannan Shi
              The latter, at least by itself, does not climb into the mouth of the cat.

              laughing laughing laughing laughing
              You missed something very much.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 22 October 2020 21: 36
                +4
                Quote: Spade
                However, this does not prevent him from cutting money from such colonies.

                AND? Here we are also trying to cut money. Wherever possible. Then what?
                Quote: Spade
                Exactly. Just gigantic squares

                Oh, yes. Russia is a generous soul. Why then are we going up against the Japanese? Again, the Estonians can be given a piece of land. Finam. Georgians. The same Ukrainians in the end. Or are you an exclusively Han chauvinist?
                Quote: Spade
                it is necessary not to withdraw 100 thousand for exercises, but to conduct systematic work. How, by the way, does the cat do

                The cat trains several battalions. Seeing them as a threat ... Um. Here it would be to turn to a doctor, and not to VO. But when a grouping, a little less than half of our ground forces, goes to the exercises at the same time ... At the same time, it is practicing the offensive, but it has nowhere to go stupidly. except for Cupid ... This is, of course, an example of good neighborliness and pacifism. yes
                Quote: Spade
                You may not know, but in Urumqi it happens to minus forty. And there ALREADY you have to use force

                Not already, but for now. In 1980, there were 2.5 times less Chinese in SUAO. than the Uyghur. In 2015, in fact, equally. More now. In 10 years, the Uighurs will become an outright minority. Besides. China has about 1.5 million people's armed militia. Almost an analogue of our internal troops. It is their job to keep order in SUAO. And the number of this militia is quite enough to cut out the Uighurs at least to zero. But the goal for tank divisions supported by aviation is stupid in the SUAO. Such targets exist exclusively on the Russian bank of the Amur.
                Quote: Spade
                It is also not particularly hot in winter in Tibet, Inner Mongolia ... Did you skip geography?

                Yes Yes. This is exactly what it is. The Chinese are practicing a blow to Inner Mongolia. Where they will start to smash cities and villages with rapture. Inhabited by the Chinese. Of which, as a surprise, in Inner Mongolia there are more than 80%. fool
                You are the one. Before discussing other people's truancy, at least out of the corner of your eye study what you are trying to reason about. Otherwise ... Chinese tank divisions attacking cities belonging to China and populated by the Chinese ... fool
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 October 2020 22: 24
                  -3
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  AND? Here we are also trying to cut money. Wherever possible. Then what?

                  laughing
                  Are you mowing like a fool?
                  By the way, who are you?

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Oh, yes. Russia is a generous soul. Why then are we going up against the Japanese? Again, the Estonians can be given a piece of land. Finam. Georgians. The same Ukrainians in the end. Or are you an exclusively Han chauvinist?

                  I believe that if an agreement is signed, then it must be fulfilled. Even Soviet, as in this case. Especially so that in the new Cold War, China is not on the side of the United States. You may not know, but they won the USSR together.



                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  The cat trains several battalions.

                  What ???
                  Only in Alaska, two brigades are stationed on a permanent basis. Plus those who undergo combat training in the local training centers ... This is not counting the heap of exercises, including joint ones with Canada and the Scandinavian countries

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Not already, but for now.

                  What's the difference? You have to be ready to fight
                  When will the Chinese replace the Indians in India? Not to have problems in the Himalayas?
                  Or are there subtropics in your alternative geography?

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  But the goal for tank divisions supported by aviation is stupid in the SUAO.

                  Under the table...
                  You seem completely lost in reality. But, for example, why did the troops enter Chechnya? And twice? laughing

                  I'm afraid the hedgehog, which you stubbornly pulled on the globe, has burst.

                  I will explain it for you personally. When they want to attack, they do it like the USSR. Every year the 39th Army raised the alert and began to simulate combat deployment. With the subsequent advance from the Soviet-Mongolian border to the Mongol-Chinese one. And in Beijing they understood perfectly well that at one fine moment they might not stop, but go out to the very Bohai Bay. Cutting the country apart.
                  This is preparation for the invasion.
                  What you are trying to hang on my ears, no.

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Chinese practicing strike against Inner Mongolia

                  For those who are not on the Internet. Inner Mongolia is a possible separatism. That is, another "anti-Chinese front".
                  Remind the role of the Kurds in the fall of Saddam's regime? In the north, the Americans had only special forces and part of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which controlled the airfields to receive supplies. And the Kurds created a full-fledged northern front under the control and support of the Americans.

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  at least out of the corner of your eye examine what you are trying to reason about. Otherwise ... Chinese tank divisions attacking cities belonging to China and populated by the Chinese ...

                  Gold words....
                  Budanovsky regiment in Chechnya

                  For you personally: he commanded a TANK regiment
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 22 October 2020 23: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Spade
                    By the way, who are you?

                    Russia.
                    Quote: Spade
                    I believe that if an agreement is signed, then it must be fulfilled. Even Soviet, as in this case.

                    In general, surrender and surrender of territories is a purely post-Soviet initiative. yes
                    Quote: Spade
                    But, for example, why did the troops enter Chechnya?

                    Again. China has about 1.5 million internal troops. They are enough for the heels of SUAO. And the tanks in Chechnya .... If anything, Dudayev was left with one and a half hundred pieces of armor and under two guns, mortars and MLRS. Fighting a tank brigade with the police forces ... Somewhat problematic in general. But in SUAO ... It will not be difficult to name. where exactly do the Uighurs hide hundreds of pieces of armor and art?
                    Quote: Spade
                    For those who are not on the Internet. Inner Mongolia is a possible separatism.

                    Again. From Mongolia, only the name remains. And so ... A purely Chinese province, with rare patches of national minorities. Disappearing at an accelerated pace. With the same success, one can write Beijing into the centers of separatism.
                    Quote: Spade
                    When will the Chinese replace the Indians in India? Not to have problems in the Himalayas?

                    Now I conclude the discussion. You know. I love to get caught on samizdat, filibust. Including alternatives to read. But such an exuberant imagination .. Tank divisions and corps operating in the Himalayas ... This is ..... Hmm .... No comment. Good luck in general.
          3. Icelord
            Icelord 26 October 2020 07: 57
            0
            Duc sausage is Russia, not China. wink
        2. Machito
          Machito 22 October 2020 22: 31
          +1
          Russian is very actively taught in China. Films are being made in Russian (the dawns here are quiet), there are more and more Chinese tourists in Moscow, in Russia the number of legal and illegal migrants from China is constantly increasing. The Zheltorosiya project has long been in the past, and the Great Silk Road is on the agenda. This can become more terrible than the hordes of Genghis Khan. But in Cold War 2.0, China is still Russia's strategic partner against the United States. It is very difficult to be at the top in the resulting triangle.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 23 October 2020 10: 34
        +1
        China invests little for either reason. China is just buying countries. He invests mainly where he can get political influence for his money. He invests in infrastructure projects and takes them under his control. Thus, all over the world, he took control of a bunch of infrastructure - ports, railways, warehouse complexes, etc. In our country, control over these things does not shine for him, so he invests, but strongly with caution. Only in what is good for him. It has nothing to do with the US elections. Power of Siberia 1 and 2 - would not be approved by any American government.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 23 October 2020 16: 29
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          China invests little for either reason.

          It's not about deposits. About the contract. China expects Russia to be forced to sell its resources even cheaper. Europe is spinning its tail, so we still cannot finish building the SP-2. We'll have to bow to China. This is what China is waiting for.
    2. alma
      alma 22 October 2020 18: 59
      24
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      So this is China's long-standing policy
      "If you sit on the river bank for a long time, you can see the corpse of your enemy floating by."

      I have the impression that China began to impatiently shift from foot to foot - the corpse still does not float and does not float what In short - nervous
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 October 2020 19: 13
        +1
        He is not nervous, he has never been over. power and is still cautious ...
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 October 2020 19: 33
        -2
        Quote: alma
        I have the impression that China began to impatiently shift from foot to foot - the corpse still does not float and does not float

        He had already swum a long time ago.
        China shifts from foot to foot because it realizes that it is next.
  2. Alf
    Alf 22 October 2020 18: 18
    +8
    As a result, an imperial system of views is being introduced in China. Secretary General Xi Jinping - the red emperor, the beginning of a new dynasty, the party - the imperial order.

    And it has never been canceled there. Over the entire multi-thousand-year history of China, a stable system has developed there. At the very top is the emperor, below the nobles in the form of confidants, below the plebs. This is in their genes entered. For the subjects, the word of the emperor is the Law, immutable and inevitable. If you remember how in the PRC, by order of all the sparrows, they were overfished in three days .. And no one asked questions, then this decision was recognized as erroneous and again no one asked questions - the word of the Emperor-Law.
    1. Asad
      Asad 22 October 2020 18: 23
      +6
      How are we different?
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 October 2020 18: 24
        +5
        Quote: ASAD
        How are we different?

        And nothing, only unlike China, we can chat on the forums. But a little and careful.
        1. Asad
          Asad 22 October 2020 18: 27
          +1
          A little bit and carefully it is just on the Chinese, we can praise the leadership of my mother!
          1. Alf
            Alf 22 October 2020 18: 28
            +6
            Quote: ASAD
            A little bit and carefully it is just on the Chinese, we can praise the leadership of my mother!

            And hope that Those Who Are Supposed will not notice and 30 pieces will not be sent as a fine.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 22 October 2020 19: 15
              0
              Author:
              Save the Soviet system, ....


              What's Soviet? Besides the name - the Communist Party ??? Folding beds both in workshops and in offices ... and in workshops there is a place where clothes are dried, those who work in this workshop ... Even the head (millionaire communist) has a folding bed at the table .... The cult of money permeates the entire society of China and the main task of a person is to earn more money .. The rich (s) never marry (marry) the poor (th) ... Everyone is looking for an equal. It is extremely rare for monetary unequal marriages. The party is like a social lift for the poor and not only - in order to become richer, it is better to be a party ... They work like Stakhanovists ... yes !.
              Housing is expensive. It is very expensive in Shanghai. There is typical capitalism, with a human face ...
      2. Lex_is
        Lex_is 22 October 2020 18: 25
        +2
        Almost everyone.
        1. Asad
          Asad 22 October 2020 18: 30
          +2
          Tsar, nobles, guardsmen, and servants! Maybe I'm wrong!
          1. Lex_is
            Lex_is 22 October 2020 18: 55
            +1
            Wrong.
            Everything is much more complicated there, they have a completely different civilization.
            The nationality, clan, community is of great importance there.
            Their nationalities and nationalities are under 50, but something can be achieved only in 4, only Han people serve in the army, only Han people can achieve success in the civil service, etc. They have a whole family, or even a clan can raise one official, and then he must repay the invested funds. It's the same with the communities that the Chinese owe their entire lives.
            1. Asad
              Asad 22 October 2020 19: 01
              +2
              Among the Dagestanis, someone in the family must also get into the police! All relatives are collected!
            2. Asad
              Asad 22 October 2020 19: 03
              0
              I have not been to China, I will not argue! I consider Japan to be another civilization!
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 22 October 2020 18: 30
        +4
        How are we different?
        ... Not everyone will go to catch sparrows and melt cast iron at home ...
        1. Asad
          Asad 22 October 2020 18: 35
          +1
          My grandfather was asked to re-educate himself in the Vasyugan swamps, he could not refuse!
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 22 October 2020 19: 23
            +3
            So "asked" .. and the cast iron was melted and the sparrows were caught in a single impulse without a shadow of doubt.
      4. Uma palata
        Uma palata 22 October 2020 19: 01
        +4
        In the most important way it differs from China. They have a goal, enshrined in the presence of ideology. We do not have.
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 October 2020 19: 27
          +5
          Quote: Uma Palata
          We do not have.

          No purpose, no ideology.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 October 2020 20: 22
          0
          Quote: Uma Palata
          In the most important way it differs from China. They have a goal, enshrined in the presence of ideology. We do not have.

          The USSR had a goal, an ideology. That is why the USSR defeated fascism and became strong and respected.
          RI had an imperial consciousness ---- THIRD ROME.
          Now yes - not a goal common and understandable for everyone, nor an ideology acceptable to everyone.
          1. Icelord
            Icelord 26 October 2020 08: 01
            0
            No, you confused everything again, not thanks to ideology, he won fascism, but in spite of it. And the fact that even today Russia is not all right, then yes
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 26 October 2020 10: 41
              +1
              ...... contrary to .....
              how can you confirm this contrary? Oh well!!!!!! have heard enough of liberal speeches? Contrary to Stalin, is it that the people are all by themselves, all by themselves? I guessed myself before industrialization, before defense enterprises, before the development of technology, before the railway. .... complete nonsense !!! ha ha ha ... Everything is contrary to the leadership, or something, fool prepared the evacuation of enterprises, so that they immediately started working?
              The communist ideology worked perfectly, many remembered their former life
              1. Icelord
                Icelord 26 October 2020 11: 15
                0
                And what is there to confirm, there would be no Dzhugashvili, and there would be no war. And then, what are you talking about? What does the people themselves mean, what did I write about anarchy? Whatever the government, and certainly no worse than the commies
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 26 October 2020 13: 49
                  +1
                  laughing wassat
                  ... would ... would ... would ... would ... ...
                  cool arguments. as one former teacher often says ----- without God's permission ... even ..... what doesn't happen?
                  1. Icelord
                    Icelord 26 October 2020 14: 01
                    0
                    I don't know what the former teacher is talking about, but I guess why the former teacher. I wouldn't trust such a cat to watch
                    1. Icelord
                      Icelord 26 October 2020 14: 07
                      +1
                      And you, with Dzhugashvili, would hardly have enjoyed life, it’s not in vain that the union died and will not rise again. And if you want a commie, go to North Korea and live on a handful of rice and without the Internet, phone, TV, nothing, sales without a cat, because they will shoot for a cat, and rejoice in the ideology. There they just tell the truth, they say how bad it is in South Korea, they don't give rice to anyone, but here Comrade Kim Jong-in takes care of the people laughing ... It’s not funny to fence in nonsense yourself?
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 26 October 2020 14: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: Icelord
                      I don't know what the former teacher is talking about, but I guess why the former teacher. I wouldn't trust such a cat to watch

                      Class! Thank you very much for this comment, in the sense that REPTYLOID, Indeed, on the site, as you can see, there are those who are 7-8 years old, both authors and members of the forum. And you would have read, how what, it was before your appearance .. .... it might be interesting and useful? After all, I meant Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky. This is one of his favorite phrases.
                      1. Icelord
                        Icelord 26 October 2020 14: 33
                        +1
                        This phrase cannot be deciphered without a liter, there are only dots there. Either quote as it should, or do not refer to smart people, you can do whatever you like to the green comrade, it will not be worse than I think about him
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 26 October 2020 15: 08
                        +1
                        So what is the problem? A liter, so a liter? drinks what is there to quote? Exactly? Whoever reads the comments for a long time knows that we are talking about, that even the winds (physiology, it means), by themselves, cannot, only by permission ..... And you could, by going into your profile, study the comments of the people you are interested in. After all, this is not only interesting, but also useful.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 27 October 2020 08: 23
                +1
                Quote: Icelord
                ...., there would be no Dzhugashvili, there would be no war. Whatever government, ... and
                it was you that I quoted (above or below, I don’t know where this comment will be) wassat , from the series --- if, but if only ... All your abuse is based on this .--- would, would ... lol But the point is that your world is not so happy as you write. By the way, do you also wear embroidered shirt like your nephew? Or in order to be satisfied, you need someone to envy? For some reason you are registered here request
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 27 October 2020 08: 59
                  0
                  He then considers himself a Ukrainian because his father is from Kiev, he has a sales car like an ambassador's, with flags, as a sign of protest for Crimea, but why should I? My father is Pole, and my mother is half German, half Russian. I have three Polish sabers, five Russian checkers, and there are fifteen German pieces of iron, I do not like to change clothes, I collect cold stuff laughing
                2. Icelord
                  Icelord 27 October 2020 09: 45
                  0
                  By the way, I haven't answered your question. So, do you sincerely think that everyone who does not agree with your communist nationalist views should sit and be silent in a rag? I have to upset you, this is not so, moreover, I am not the only one here. I personally do not like nationalism in general (of course, with my pedigree laughing ) and therefore my nephew makes me laugh, you do not approve of Putin's policy, your right, but why push your Ukrainianness out? I also do not approve, not that it would concern me, they simply acted as a guarantor of territorial integrity in Budapest, please observe. The guy said the guy did
                  PS Here I counted my pieces of iron, if together with the daggers of the Third Reich, then as many as 34 Germans
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 October 2020 10: 29
                    +1
                    what nonsense about nationalist? At work --- often with newcomers. Again, if I could see what happened before, I repeatedly wrote that it makes me happy if the former come, one or the other. There is, for example, a Bulgarian, whose views are far from mine. So what? Sometimes we communicate normally. Another Bulgarian, closer in views, but very rarely meet him.
                    I have a collection of metal ..... but it is completely different than yours laughing
                    I saw a friend comparable to yours, I was impressed.
                    All the more strange, everything worked out for you, but you are dissatisfied with something, something is wrong recourse
                    1. Icelord
                      Icelord 27 October 2020 10: 36
                      0
                      Man is an unsatisfied creature (Strugatsky, Monday starts on Saturday). And if it’s on business, well, I don’t like commies, people to whom other people's lives, destinies, not to mention the property to the light bulb. Type for the happiness of people can be sacrificed by these same people. This is very wrong
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 22 October 2020 18: 31
    -3
    Only libre writers can take perspective from the Cold War, bitch tribe.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 October 2020 18: 34
    +5
    We will not make a cult out of China ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 October 2020 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      We will not make a cult out of China ...

      It's a shame, Alexey. China with respect to the USSR and Lenin, Stalin. .... Develops, gets richer. .. 7 November they have a holiday.
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 26 October 2020 08: 09
        0
        And you, personally, were in China to write about communism. I was there, it was completely different, my own nephew is married to a Chinese woman, they studied together in the USA at the university. So here she is from a family of desks. functionaries, it is clear that he is not going to return to China, but he will also get citizenship and write out a bunch of relatives. That's how they take over the world

        ... Here is their photo and their wedding in Dominica
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 26 October 2020 10: 30
          +1
          I have not been to China. However, I often talked to Chinese students who study with us for a fee. You are right. I will add ---- strong bundle. Perhaps stronger than ours.
          However, if the concept of the ideal does not change, then the return to it will be easier and faster, there will be a necessity. With the population of China, its small decrease is not critical.
          1. Icelord
            Icelord 26 October 2020 11: 19
            0
            Yes, there are no idials of Stalinism, ok, the elite definitely does not
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 26 October 2020 11: 35
              0
              You, dear reptilian, forgive me, I don’t know your name, did you live in a union? I definitely live better now, but my father was a deputy minister, and I am an officer, that is, a kind of elite, and still a disgrace. You can't buy a normal car, or a house, or travel around the world. Could I, like now, live in the USA for two months every year? Then that
  • cniza
    cniza 22 October 2020 19: 11
    +2
    China does not want to invest large funds in Russia, since the Russian elite is focused on Europe and the United States.


    China is very willing to invest in Russia, only its conditions and appetites do not suit Russia ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 October 2020 19: 26
      +5
      Do not confuse Russia, with the Russian bourgeoisie, they are not satisfied with the proposals of China ... as long as "you need such a cow yourself" (c), they will offer more than they offer now, they will give it back ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 October 2020 19: 29
        +1
        And where is the bourgeoisie? , this is a purely political decision.
  • Operator
    Operator 22 October 2020 19: 12
    +2
    I didn't understand: when we were part of the East (to return there) - under the Mongols? laughing

    Returning to reality - at the moment, China has become the leading economic power in the world, overtaking the United States in terms of GDP, not only in purchasing power parity, but also in nominal terms.

    US GDP collapsed by 1/3 due to massive coronavirus lockdowns.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 22: 31
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      US GDP collapsed by 1/3 due to massive coronavirus lockdowns.


      This is a case of so-called lies.
      1. Asad
        Asad 23 October 2020 05: 17
        0
        Support, stocks, indices are all on the rise
    2. Icelord
      Icelord 26 October 2020 14: 30
      +1
      So I don't understand, dear, you are an intelligent person, why do you love this Klyosov so much?
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 October 2020 14: 38
        -1
        What does Klesov have to do with it?
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 26 October 2020 14: 44
          +1
          It really has nothing to do with it. Here in everything else, except for ethnogenesis and haplogroups, there are no problems, I respect. But when it takes you there ... Everything, mascara light
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 October 2020 14: 49
            -1
            Trust me in the Klesov part and everything will be OK laughing
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 27 October 2020 09: 49
              0
              It's not me who minus, so for reference, I'll fix it laughing
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 22 October 2020 19: 22
    0
    In all these events, our wisest and most far-sighted decision would be to distance ourselves from both major players as much as possible, to move closer to Europe and gradually dilute the American positions there - and also to engage in economic consolidation of the CIS in our interests.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 October 2020 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      In all these events, our wisest and most far-sighted decision would be to distance ourselves from both major players whenever possible.

      If Russia were self-sufficient and Russia had industry. Own, not assembly-someone else's.
      A living example is KAMAZ, it seems like your own, but you dig it ..
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 22 October 2020 23: 44
        +1
        And in the USSR, everything, to the last screw, was its own. As a last resort, CMEA cooperation, but not Western imports.
        1. Alf
          Alf 23 October 2020 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          And in the USSR, everything, to the last screw, was its own. As a last resort, CMEA cooperation, but not Western imports.

          In extreme cases, the license was bought, but not the product.
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 26 October 2020 08: 12
          0
          And so there was nothing in the USSR that was of no use, except for weapons, of course.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 22 October 2020 19: 31
    0
    As a result, an imperial system of views is being introduced in China.

    heresy...
  • t-12
    t-12 22 October 2020 19: 45
    +1
    The most important challenge for Beijing is a strategic agreement with Russia.

    The most important challenge for Beijing is oil. Hence the agreement with Iran for 400 billion. For comparison, the annual investment in Russia is about a billion.

    Another important task is the overland route to Iran (via Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan) in case of a naval blockade.

    Well, and the land "Silk Road" to Europe. An agreement with Turkey did not work, so that only the route through Kazakhstan and Russia remains.
  • Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 20: 00
    0
    Two bears cannot live in one den (s)
    The United States will solve the Chinese issue with someone else or with its own hands.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 22 October 2020 20: 09
    +1
    Today it is absolutely clear that the United States is losing its position as a superpower (empire) ...

    In my opinion, the author is wishful thinking. The United States is still very strong, and will be the strongest on the planet for a long time, to my regret ...
    And China, on the contrary, is introducing a system of imperial views on its future ...

    Imperial views are not enough, they need to be backed up with real superpowers. If in the economy of the PRC was able to achieve impressive results, then in the technological sense (including in the military-industrial complex) it lags behind the United States by 20-30 years.
    Therefore, it is clearly premature to talk about a new "cold war". The PRC today, even before the USSR of the 80s, does not reach ...
  • certero
    certero 22 October 2020 20: 54
    +1
    Quote: Nasr
    What's Soviet? Besides the name - the Communist Party ???

    You do not confuse the words Soviet and Socialist.
    In China, property rights are still written in the constitution where private ownership of the means of production is prohibited.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 22 October 2020 22: 27
    0
    Today it is absolutely clear that the United States is losing its position as a superpower (empire), moreover, it is rapidly moving towards an internal explosion, confusion.


    Stupidity.

    Although the Cold War with China will be interesting - both states are highly dependent on each other.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 22 October 2020 23: 41
    +2
    China cannot reach America, the ocean is in the way. And even the Taiwan Strait is an insurmountable obstacle if the US Navy is nearby. And somehow you can't attack through the Himalayas on tanks. But the Russian Federation is separated from China only by the Amur River, and not even from Mongolia. And Mongolia and beyond is a very suitable area for the mass use of armored vehicles. China, by the way, considers Far East and Siberia to be primordial Chinese territories, as well as Mongolia.
    And further. Russia, for all its geographic uncertainty, civilizationally nevertheless belongs to Europe. To that very Euro-Atlantic civilization, it is also Judeo-Christian, it is the civilization of the white man. And China is a civilization in itself. With the current rate of growth of the world's population, the moment will soon come when two (or even three, if we take into account the world of Islam) civilizations on the ball will become cramped.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 23 October 2020 01: 17
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      With the current rate of growth of the world's population, the moment will soon come when two (or even three, if we take into account the world of Islam) civilizations on the ball will become cramped.


      Why did you forget the fourth - African? smile
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 23 October 2020 05: 20
        0
        Well, if it is politically correct, then yes, African civilization is the most ancient, the most cultured, the most-most. And if on business, they remained at the level of tribes, which went to war against a neighboring tribe in order to exchange captured slaves to white people or Arabs for knives, axes, and most importantly bundles of beads. And this is still progress, because before the appearance of the slave traders, prisoners of war were invited to the gala dinner of the winners as a dish. And even after centuries of colonial rule, they are not far removed from our common monkey ancestors.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 23 October 2020 06: 54
          0
          These are all (racist) prejudices. And the facts are that 1) blacks are no more stupid than whites 2) the population of Africa will grow relatively quickly and for a long time.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 23 October 2020 07: 42
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            These are all (racist) prejudices. And the facts are that 1) blacks are not stupider than white

            Yes? Well, that is, I have met very intelligent blacks, but there are few of them, and they are the type of exceptions that prove the rule. But name one successful country ruled by blacks. The United States doesn't count, Obama is no longer president, and nearly half of Americans consider him the worst president of all time, and besides, he is half white. Or type "IQ world map" into Google, the result will be very revealing.
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            2) the population of Africa will grow relatively quickly and for a long time to come.

            And what's good about that? They only breed poverty, kill the environment, and the surplus population spills out into civilized countries, without being ready to fit into a civilized society. Why do you think African Americans are in no hurry to repatriate to their historical homeland? On the contrary, many African non-Americans are ready to do anything to become African Americans or African Europeans, to be racially discriminated against, offended, and humiliated by the "systemic racism" rooted in America (I do not know how in Europe, but probably about the same).
            If you provide assistance to Africa, then not by the economy (anyway, they will not break it, they will plunder), but primarily by contraceptives. Well, with weapons, so that they reduce their population. Maybe when the population comes in line with the ability of the economy to feed it, they will finally take up their minds and begin to develop their economy, instead of demanding handouts and believing that the entire civilized world owes them.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 23 October 2020 08: 06
              -1
              Quote: Nagan
              And what good is that?


              I didn't say it was good.

              Quote: Nagan
              "IQ world map"


              Quote: Nagan
              why are African Americans in no hurry to repatriate to their historical homeland?


              Just for the record: IQ is not an indicator of intelligence; Africa is the historical homeland of all mankind (yours too).

              And mossy ignorance is bad. Leads to errors.

              Quote: Nagan
              and weapons so that they reduce their population


              This does not work. But I immediately remember Asimov and "Merciful Vultures".
            2. Icelord
              Icelord 26 October 2020 08: 17
              +1
              Here you are absolutely right, I have seen blacks every year for two, three months in the USA, if there are hardworking and intelligent blacks, emigrants, their own do not want to work, spoiled their "racism". So much so that just be born black and you can do nothing, but you still have everyone
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 October 2020 08: 21
      0
      One problem, China itself has millions of square meters. kilometers of the same wastelands as in Mongolia. The seizure of territory without the possibility of colonization is devoid of special meaning.
    3. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 28 October 2020 18: 16
      0
      the Russian Federation has nuclear weapons, and the Russian Federation also has the technology to somehow shoot down nuclear weapons from China. China is very vulnerable for the nuclear weapons of the RF Armed Forces, China can encroach on Siberia and the Far East, when Russia is not there, only with this arrangement. China has already begun to die out, natural growth has changed and will continue for a long time, one of the lowest rates of child per woman in the world.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 23 October 2020 00: 06
    -1
    Shallowly floating representatives of the privileged circles of society doom any project of theirs to dependence on Europe and the United States (and future collapse). There is no own project, there is no program and goal ...

    The author is great. I especially liked the "shallow floating".
  • Gunther
    Gunther 23 October 2020 06: 32
    0
    Quote: Lex_is
    Wrong.
    Everything is much more complicated there, they have a completely different civilization.
    The nationality, clan, community is of great importance there.
    Their nationalities and nationalities are under 50, but something can be achieved only in 4, only Han people serve in the army, only Han people can achieve success in the civil service, etc. They have a whole family, or even a clan can raise one official, and then he must repay the invested funds. It's the same with the communities that the Chinese owe their entire lives.

    hi
    The CCP is not a monolith, there is a struggle of clans, a good example is the displacement of Hu Yaobang and his death from a "heart attack" in 1989, which caused unrest in China, their suppression in Tiananmen Square, the displacement, on the sly, of the architect of economic reforms, Secretary General Zhao Ziyang and the arrival to the power of the so-called. "third generation leaders".
    Political power in China is clan (red elite) - clans "Komsomol members", "Shanghai people", plus ethnic clans (Guan-fu, Hakka, etc.) and these clans squabble among themselves in every possible way, push "their" leading positions, they are united only by one idea - "China above all else", and it was this imperial ideology, in my opinion, that prevented China from destroying mattresses on the model of the USSR, and not "communist ideology" at all, this is actually the four-volume of historian Li Ling "Our China".
    Understandable is the hysteria of Mike Pompeo, who rolled a 2-hour speech at the grave-library of Richard Nixon (who pursued the policy of "China against the USSR"), filled with grievances on the topic - we are with all our hearts to them and they are an aphedron to us, by the way, Russia has dragged along, they say, we will meet challenges together))))
    We must proceed from the fact that according to Chinese maps, the entire Far East of Russia is the territory of China, according to their history textbooks, Siberia is a temporarily lost territory of the Celestial Empire.
    In my opinion, China is not our friend, like the United States, our friends are a strong economy and a strong Army, although under the ruling camarilla this is problematic.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 October 2020 08: 16
    +2
    And China, built on Western money, became independent from the West? And where does he get the oil? And where does consumer goods sell?
  • NF68
    NF68 23 October 2020 16: 54
    0
    While 2 pans will share the world among themselves, others will not get too weak.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 October 2020 09: 06
    0
    And where is the overview of the war? Where are the prospects? It seems that the guys sitting on state support have mastered a new way of mowing money without straining. An empty article is published under an interesting title, in which not a word is said about the case. Well, in fact, is it not for the analytics department of a large analytical office to strain ?! They have a contract for many millions of rubles with the state, but this is not a reason to work, in fact!
    So people sculpt a dummy and wait - what they will say on the net in response to the bait. Then they bring more or less useful comments into their "analytics" and get paid. Is this why they removed the ability to put cons to articles? Hehe ...
  • megavolt823
    megavolt823 26 October 2020 15: 30
    0
    Not a lot of history and sober thought. It was the United States that gave China ready-made industrial solutions and European markets and their own. In exchange for a bite from the USSR and distance from it. The United States gradually allowed China to develop and even returned Hong Kong. And today the markets of Europe and the USA, for China these are the main markets. The closest economic ties. The influence on India of England and the United States is too great. Pakistan is highly controlled from the USA, England and the UAE. China clearly understands this. Tongue has no bones, you can poke buttons on the keyboard. But this is reality. Everything else is possible future.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 28 October 2020 18: 10
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    Russian is very actively taught in China. Films are being made in Russian (the dawns here are quiet), there are more and more Chinese tourists in Moscow, in Russia the number of legal and illegal migrants from China is constantly increasing. The Zheltorosiya project has long been in the past, and the Great Silk Road is on the agenda. This can become more terrible than the hordes of Genghis Khan. But in Cold War 2.0, China is still Russia's strategic partner against the United States. It is very difficult to be at the top in the resulting triangle.

    Also tell me that in the Far East and Siberia they are already half of the population. Yeah.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 28 October 2020 18: 12
    0
    Quote: Icelord
    And you, personally, were in China to write about communism. I was there, it was completely different, my own nephew is married to a Chinese woman, they studied together in the USA at the university. So here she is from a family of desks. functionaries, it is clear that he is not going to return to China, but he will also get citizenship and write out a bunch of relatives. That's how they take over the world

    ... Here is their photo and their wedding in Dominica

    Their population is declining, with one of the lowest child per woman rates in the world. By 2100, there will be at best 700 million, or even less.