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NATO advised Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system

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NATO advised Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system

Turkey needs to find an alternative to the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system acquired from Russia, since it cannot be integrated into a single NATO air defense system. This was stated by the secretary general of the alliance Jens Stoltenberg.


Before the start of the two-day meeting of the heads of the defense ministries of the NATO countries, held in the mode of videoconference, Stoltenberg said that NATO is in favor of finding alternatives for Turkey instead of the S-400 air defense system and that he is personally "concerned about Turkey's decision to buy the S-400 and has repeatedly raised this issue during meetings in Ankara ".

This system cannot be integrated into a single NATO air defense system. I support efforts to find alternatives

- said the NATO Secretary General, adding that if Ankara does not find an alternative to the S-400, the United States can impose sanctions against it.

According to Stoltenberg, at present, Turkey and the United States, with the help of the alliance, are discussing the issue of deploying Patriot systems, in addition, Ankara also does not exclude the deployment of a Franco-Italian air defense system, negotiations are underway.

At the same time, Stoltenberg admitted that countries themselves determine what weapons they acquire, but at the same time they need to "take into account the compatibility of this weapons within NATO ".

Earlier, the United States accused Turkey of violating obligations as an ally of the United States and a NATO member due to the tests of the S-400 air defense system.
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  1. deniso
    deniso 21 October 2020 15: 05
    +4
    S-300 integrated in Greece ...
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 21 October 2020 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      S-300 integrated in Greece ...

      This is different! (c) wassat
    2. credo
      credo 21 October 2020 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: denis obuckov
      S-300 integrated in Greece ...

      In NATO's understanding, integration is Washington's control over the button on the control panel of the complex, and in our understanding, integration is the coordination of actions of different air defense systems during their use.
      Therefore, we do not see any problems with the integration of the S-400 in Turkey with NATO countries, but NATO, through the eyes of the United States, sees it, because their heart bleeds when NATO countries' money is spent on purchasing weapons not from the United States.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 October 2020 15: 07
    +4
    So Erdogen bought S400 for defense against "their own" NATO aircraft, in case of a new military coup, or an attempt to conduct hostilities against Turkey using NATO aircraft! S400 and it is not planned to be integrated into a single air defense system not only by NATO, but also by Turkey!
  3. Andrea
    Andrea 21 October 2020 15: 11
    -1
    Are there alternatives? laughing
    In NATO, probably, wood-fired systems and the digital will not fit there laughing
  4. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 21 October 2020 15: 11
    -11 qualifying.
    According to Stoltenberg, at present, Turkey and the United States, with the help of the alliance, are discussing the issue of deploying Patriot systems, in addition, Ankara also does not exclude the deployment of a Franco-Italian air defense system, negotiations are underway.

    Everyone is waiting for the US presidential election. After them, there will be a deal in which C400 will also enter. I think the С400 will be stored or sold to 3 countries with the approval of Russia. Instead, a full return to the F35 program and the supply of other air defense systems. Turkey fulfilled the main task with С400, received technologies. The development and delivery of their air defense systems are in full swing, they already have short-range, short-range, medium-range systems.
    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 21 October 2020 15: 38
      +7
      OgnennyiKotik, stop repeating the infantile nonsense invented on the knee. Firstly, for the S-400, neither the Turks nor the more mattress covers received any critical technology, this topic was dealt with by experts dozens of times in professional forums a couple of years ago. Secondly, the Turks also do not have their own full-fledged medium-range systems. And finally, the "big deal with the usa" and even "after the elections" causes only rzhachlaughing... After the elections, Ghihimon will face a large-scale Civil War, which is not a secret to anyone, even in the states themselves. This is the dismantling, if not of the American statehood itself, then at least of the external influence of the United States in the world, they will not remember about the Turkish region.
  5. Dym71
    Dym71 21 October 2020 15: 15
    +2
    - said the NATO Secretary General, adding that if Ankara does not find an alternative to the S-400, the United States can impose sanctions against it

    Interestingly, the girls dance in four pieces hardly, then shake their hands, then move their legs

    Does the NATO secretary general (a citizen of Norway for a minute!) Forestall Turkey with US sanctions?
    Not comme il faut No.
    Stoltenberg said Turkey and the United States are currently discussing the deployment of Patriot systems with the help of the alliance.

    "David's sling" hasn't been offered yet? wassat
  6. fn34440
    fn34440 21 October 2020 15: 19
    -17 qualifying.
    The entire NATO shobla will be trained on the S-400 in all holes, the Boingo-Lokheidov specialists will remove the templates and return to Russia.
    The same is taken on credit, i.e. is free. Not a single tranche has been paid. Even tomatoes.
    Here is Catherine II with Potemkin, the Turks could not deceive. Therefore, the tsarist Empire grew in land.
    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 21 October 2020 15: 47
      +6
      Another wet dreamerlaughing.
      fn34440, garbage toil when% stop? "They will remove the patterns"wassat... Do you work in a sewing studio? Guys, who will let you intoxicated go there?) About this nonsense with "Lokhidov's recollection of the S-400" is spoken and spoken about and explained on the fingers, but to those chosen and other whiners like peas against a wall. By the way, Rosoboronexport received the first tranche in cash of $ 1,2 billion (50%) from Turkey back in June 2018, that is, more than a year before the final deliveries. Then, in June, the Turks began to repay a short-term 3-year loan for the remaining 50% of the amount ($ 1,2 billion), that is, they will be paid in full in 7 months.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 21 October 2020 16: 00
        -12 qualifying.
        "Another wet dreamer" - HAMISH? Then the modernization to your rudeness will pin me indiscriminately.
        Give me a link, dried up non-fantasy, about payment, when and where is it printed?
        On this topic in the Internet, one denial, despite the dryness of non-fantasies.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 21 October 2020 16: 08
          +6
          fn34440, you are not betraying the tradition of dipping yourself into impurities. And you were the first to be rude here on the site when you wrote a disrespectful rude heresy in relation to the Russian State. With regard to the first tranche in the summer of 2018 of $ 1,2 billion, the then Deputy of the Ministry of Defense Borisov and the head of Rosoboronexport and the head of Russian Technologies Chemezov officially announced this. TASS, RIA, RUSSIA-24, full of sources on the network, google with Yandex to help. We are looking for pens, we are not lazy.
    2. venik
      venik 21 October 2020 19: 36
      0
      Quote: fn34440
      The entire NATO shobla is trained on the S-400 in all holes, the Boingo-Lokhidov specialists will remove the patterns and return to Russia.

      =======
      Have you been told PERSONALLY? Who! Granny on the bench at the entrance? laughing (Strictly classified information from the category "OBS" !!!) lol
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 21 October 2020 15: 20
    +1
    NATO advised Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system
    S-500? We are unlikely to agree.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 21 October 2020 15: 30
      -13 qualifying.
      Yes, the Turks themselves poured dust into the baklava. Recently in Turkey there was an embarrassment with the acquired Russian anti-aircraft missile systems - the launched missile did not hit one of the targets, which was the drone. Experts attribute this to the fact that Ankara refused the help of Russian military specialists and limited itself to only six-month courses for training its military in Russia itself. That is, the level of training in the calculations was rather low. Again, the S-400 can only be tested against either missiles or combat aircraft, and not against small drones.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 21 October 2020 15: 57
        +4
        Quote: fn34440
        the launched rocket missed one of the targets, which was precisely the drone.

        Brad, in the first place! Secondly, the S-400 is not intended to combat medium and small unmanned aerial vehicles, since the price of one missile costs as the development of this very drone.
        1. fn34440
          fn34440 21 October 2020 16: 04
          -10 qualifying.
          This is not nonsense. It is a fact. Boiling neurons, don't catch cold, I am not responsible for the Turks.
          You don't have to argue with me. You are scratching my cap with stripes. And I do not want to argue with childish axioms.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 21 October 2020 16: 06
            0
            Quote: fn34440
            This is not nonsense. It is a fact. Boiling neurons, don't catch cold, I am not responsible for the Turks.
            You don't have to argue with me. You are scratching my cap with stripes. And I do not want to argue with childish axioms.

            Do not freeze stripes, "grandfather"! Wear pampers.
            1. fn34440
              fn34440 21 October 2020 16: 12
              -10 qualifying.
              "Do not freeze stripes," grandfather "!
              As the classic used to say: "Go away, old woman, I'm in sorrow."
              You need to improve your IQ - intelligence quotient before entering into discussions. The word "zamOray" is absent in the Russian language.
              And you know better about diapers, you are an experienced wearer, you can feel
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 21 October 2020 16: 15
                +1
                Yes, yes, I know a logical error - "an argument to the person"! This is when (for stupid people) there are no real arguments, they start to offend, hurt the interlocutor on trifles! Get medical treatment or stop drinking, your aggressiveness is almost off scale, judging by your comments!
                1. fn34440
                  fn34440 21 October 2020 16: 17
                  -5
                  "stop drinking, ...". In Russia, they say: "quit."
                  But this is said only by people with intelligence quotient.
                  1. neri73-r
                    neri73-r 21 October 2020 16: 27
                    +1
                    Throw, and everything else is superfluous, you are our man in stripes!
  8. Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 21 October 2020 15: 26
    -4
    "NATO advised Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system" Will the S-500 suit?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 02: 40
      -2
      Turkish S-400s shot down three British drones in their airspace
      Turkey has attacked foreign drones for the first time in its airspace.

      Three British Meggitt BTT-3 Banshee unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down in the airspace in northern Turkey using Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. Two missiles fired successfully hit targets moving at some distance from the Turkish coastline at a speed of about 180-200 km / h.


      What a presentation, but you can't argue.
  9. MTN
    MTN 21 October 2020 15: 28
    -2
    You need to send NATO for 3 funny letters. As it turns out, the S-300 can be used in Greece, but Turkey's S-400 cannot. Why? What kind of double standards? Turkey cannot in any way be trusted by NATO. In particular, Americans and Europeans. Half a century, Europe throws them with acceptance to Europe. The United States is almost blackmailing Turkey. Here either Turkey should become a vassal or follow its own path. For this you want peace, prepare for war. The Western world is pressed by the toad that Turkey is now in the same boat with Russia on certain issues. NATO was created against Russia. Therefore, the Turkish authorities are taking the right step.

    The more you listen to the West, the more they sit on your neck.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 21 October 2020 15: 59
      +2
      Quote: MTN
      You need to send NATO for 3 funny letters. As it turns out, the S-300 can be used in Greece, but Turkey's S-400 cannot. Why? What kind of double standards? Turkey cannot in any way be trusted by NATO. In particular, Americans and Europeans. Half a century, Europe throws them with acceptance to Europe. The United States is almost blackmailing Turkey. Here either Turkey should become a vassal or follow its own path. For this you want peace, prepare for war. The Western world is pressed by the toad that Turkey is now in the same boat with Russia on certain issues. NATO was created against Russia. Therefore, the Turkish authorities are taking the right step.

      The more you listen to the West, the more they sit on your neck.

      You can feel Azerbaijan in style! laughing
  10. askort154
    askort154 21 October 2020 15: 33
    +1
    According to Stoltenberg, at present, Turkey and the United States, with the help of the alliance, are discussing the issue of deploying Patriot systems, in addition, Ankara also does not exclude the deployment of a Franco-Italian air defense system, negotiations are underway.

    This once again suggests that Erdogan is eager to create a "New Osmania" during his lifetime. Therefore, I am ready to buy air defense systems of the opposing sides in order to "snap" from everyone who will interfere with him. But does he have enough tugriks?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 21 October 2020 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      This once again suggests that Erdogan is eager to create a "New Osmania" during his lifetime.

      Everyone sees it and indulges him a little, thereby stretching the carcass of Turkey on pegs (Syria, Kurds, Karabakh, internal problems, etc.) in order to skin it, well, and divide it! It's just a matter of time, Turkey is unlikely to remain within its current borders.
    2. cniza
      cniza 21 October 2020 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: askort154


      This once again suggests that Erdogan is eager to create a "New Osmania" during his lifetime. Therefore, I am ready to buy air defense systems of the opposing sides in order to "snap" from everyone who will interfere with him. But does he have enough tugriks?


      He intends to take tugriks from those whom he will attach ...
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 October 2020 15: 49
    0
    This is chatter. Until the US punishes at least one CAATSA country for the purchase of weapons from the Russian Federation, everyone spat. The Turks have one more division on the way ... followed by India with 4 divisions ...
  12. KAVBER
    KAVBER 21 October 2020 15: 54
    +1
    Erdogan spat on all their concerns, however, like ours, he is building a new Turkey and will not turn off the path, and no one will ask him from NATO, and he knows this, so he will do whatever he wants, he will tease them with our weapons and push his interests
  13. Gordei
    Gordei 21 October 2020 16: 27
    +5
    This system cannot be integrated into a single NATO air defense system.

    So Erdogan bought this system for this, in case of a repetition of the coup, in the recent past .. "Patriots" can turn off "partners", but the S-400 is no longer .. The cunning fox was instigated ..
  14. cniza
    cniza 21 October 2020 17: 07
    +2
    adding that if Ankara does not find an alternative to the S-400, the United States may impose sanctions against it.


    You will not impose any sanctions, but only frighten and Erdogan understands this well ...
  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc 21 October 2020 17: 30
    +1
    "Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system."
    Insolent at the end.
    Everything needs to know when to stop.
    The Turks will not receive C500.
    Or how?
  16. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 October 2020 18: 00
    0
    There is another 300, but it is clearly inferior, and the other was not lying around.
  17. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 21 October 2020 18: 05
    +2
    since it cannot be integrated into a single NATO air defense system

    Has Greece integrated the S-300 normally? Integration in NATO is a control over the use, the Turks did not buy the S-400 in order to give control, and it is clear against whom this complex is directed, against NATO aircraft, that's what Jens Stoltenberg is experiencing
  18. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 21 October 2020 19: 31
    15
    To be honest, we got this Turkish S-400 already. It seems that they have run out of leverage.
  19. Maki maki
    Maki maki 22 October 2020 06: 45
    16
    NATO advised Turkey to find an alternative to the Russian S-400 air defense system

    Only the Turks do not want to look for an alternative.