Germany introduced an armored car capable of replacing the Bradley in the US Army

The German company Rheinmetall, in cooperation with the American firm Textron Systems, is preparing to supply the Lynx KF41 BMP as a replacement for the Bradley for the US Army, as announced yesterday.

This information is reported by Defense News.

The task for German manufacturers is simplified by the fact that Rheinmetall has a subsidiary, Rheinmetall Vehicles, based in the US state of Michigan. This allows us to establish the production of equipment in the United States. New to the Lynx development team and based in Louisiana, Textron is responsible for the armored vehicle's robotic capabilities.

The collaborative agreement brings together two of the world's leading defense industry solution providers.

- said the managing director of American Rheinmetall Vehicles Matt Warnick.

The US Army selects the manufacturer of its new armored vehicle on a competitive basis. In the first round of selection, she plans to reduce the number of applicants to five, then to three, before making the final selection.

The Lynx KF41 armored vehicle is designed on a modular basis, which makes it easy to integrate new weapons and protective equipment into its design. It is equipped with the latest electronics. BMP weight is 44 tons.

The Lynx KF41 is armed with a 35 mm cannon, as well as two universal launchers for placing missiles, loitering ammunition and drones.

Comments

[silverwolf88]

Or it may not appear ... after all, the whole question is in the budget ... what if the Germans show that the cost of American products is much higher ... after all, the concern will also assemble the car in Europe ... sell it to everyone at a balanced price ... MICs with others are not needed

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: silberwolf88

what if the Germans show that the cost of American products is much higher ... after all, the concern will also assemble the car in Europe ... sell it to everyone at a balanced price ... comparison of the American military-industrial complex with others is not needed

Better or worse, more expensive or cheaper - it doesn't matter. It is important for America that the entire "American" world drives Bradley. From here for domestic consumption those "Bradleys" almost go out for nothing.

One more thing. In a nightmare, no one in America can dream of a nightmare when the American army has non-American weapons - even if that "Rheinmetall" is five times better. It is easier for America to buy the engineers of this "Rheinmetall" in bulk than to drive German cars, and they will develop an "American" typewriter.

In general, the American approach is correct. We got into a puddle with Ukrainian engines. "Defense" is an industry where, in my opinion, EVERYTHING should have its own, to the last nut. Maybe the Americans have some kind of "cooperation" with Europe - but I think that, firstly, not critical, and secondly - if they are the owners of Europe and factories in Europe, then why should they be afraid? This is not a "brotherly forever" relationship. There's money here. Big money. Albert Speer, for example, could tell a lot of interesting things about who was the owner of German factories both before the war (of course) and during the war (even!).

[Dmitry Makarov]

"Bradley" in general, no one has ever bought from the United States, well, maybe in isolated cases and in small quantities.
But the United States has a lot of non-American weapons, from the main small arms - pistols and machine guns, to rocket weapons and ships, even the Abrams cannon is a purely German weapon, by the way, it is the Rheinmetal - which wants to sell its BMP to the Americans.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

the United States has a lot of non-American weapons

Yes, I've heard a lot about "Beretta", and about everything else. Just think - is Italy capable of throwing out with the same Beretta the same trick as Ukraine with engines? Tomorrow, in the Mediterranean Sea from American aircraft carriers will become so crowded that there will be nowhere for sardines to sail, and in Italy, zeroes to price tags in stores will begin to be attributed every three hours.

[Dmitry Makarov]

Isn't it the same with Ukraine?
Crimea was squeezed out, Donbass was generally turned into a place for disposal of Ukrainian nationalists, the industry of Ukraine was destroyed, poverty and unemployment reign.

[Cympak]

All imported developments that are in service with the United States in large quantities have localized production in the United States.
The American company Textron Systems participates in the competition for a reason, it is at its facilities that the German BMP Lynx will be produced if it wins the competition. When mass production is deployed, only the drawings will remain German in Lynx, and even those will need to be converted from the metric system to inches.

[Dmitry Makarov]

This is so, only German designers and engineers will remain German and will continue to invent. And Americans will remain technology buyers.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

"Bradley" in general, no one has ever bought from the United States, well, maybe in isolated cases and in small quantities.

Greece - 350 M2A2 Bradley
Lebanon - 32 M2A2 Bradley
Saudi Arabia - 385 M2A2 Bradley
Croatia - 84 M2A2 Bradley

The United States has a lot of non-American weapons, from the main small arms - pistols and machine guns, to rocket weapons and ships, even the Abrams cannon is a purely German weapon, by the way, it is Rheinmetal - which wants to sell its BMP to the Americans.

I agree with that

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Zoldat_A

One more thing. In a nightmare, no one in America can dream of a nightmare when the American army has non-American weapons - even if that "Rheinmetall" is five times better. It is easier for America to buy the engineers of this "Rheinmetall" in bulk than to drive German cars, and they will develop an "American" typewriter.

Saab looks at your post with bewilderment.

On February 12, 2019, the press office of Saab announced the signing of a major multi-year contract with the American army.
Within the framework of the agreement, calculated for three years, the American army can purchase Carl-Gustaf M4 grenade launchers in the amount of about 380 million Swedish kronor. By the end of this year, M3E1 (the so-called Carl-Gustaf M4 in the USA) will be delivered to the army in the amount of approximately 170 million Swedish kronor ($ 19 million).

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Alexey RA

Saab looks at your post with bewilderment.

Alexey! I said a little higher about "Beretta", Italy and the Mediterranean Sea. And how does the North Sea or the Norwegian Sea differ from the Mediterranean Sea for the US Navy, and Italy from Sweden for Wall Street? Yes, nothing ... And what is weapons worth 19 million dollars for the US military budget? So, little things ...

[Graz]

Germans will not win the competition in the USA 100%

[Oleg83]

Quote: Graz

Germans will not win the competition in the USA 100%

In the last tender, the Lynx KF41 were the main contenders. But the Germans abandoned the F35, and the Americans turned off the tender for the BMP for this. The generals of the US Army write that the purchase of the Lynx KF41 will be cheaper and faster than developing an analogue from scratch in the US

[Hunter 2]

Weight is 44 tons BMP - heavyweight ...
The T-72 weighs 45 tons.
Never will the Mattress Makers give such a "fat" piece of the military budget to the Germans!

[the Saint]

Well done, in general. Great Britain, Slovenia, Lithuania and the Czech Republic have already been added to the "piggy bank" of new countries - users of German technology. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland are considered as promising directions.
In particular, a tender to replace the fleet of Czech BMP-2s brought a contract for $ 2 billion for 210 combat vehicles, as well as an option for another 123 vehicles, where Rheinmetall's share will be € 1 billion. German gunsmiths offered two options for the competition at once - BMP “ Lynx "and" Puma ".
We can also mention the participation of German companies in the modernization program of the MBT "Challenger 2" and the production of the armored personnel carrier "Boxer" for the British army.
In addition to a significant increase in activity on the European market, one of the significant events is worth noting the "large package" of contracts with Australia. As part of the Land 121 program, the fleet of ground vehicles has been completely updated - from all-wheel drive vehicles and trucks to armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. At the moment, Mercedes-Benz G-Wagons have already been delivered and contracts for the supply of armored and non-armored trucks (€ 2,4 billion), BTR "Boxer" (€ 2,1 billion) and ammunition for about € 65 million are being fulfilled. Moreover, German companies took part in replacing outdated infantry fighting vehicles of their Lynx infantry fighting vehicles, which will bring another 4-5 billion. The expected volume is 467 combat vehicles. The Australian military has also chosen the famous "German quality".

[alpamys]

Quote: el Santo

the UK, Slovenia, Lithuania and the Czech Republic have already been added. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland are considered as promising directions.

Jews have been forgotten, and the Poles have long been buying from the Germans for PT 91.

[yehat2]

German BMP is not capable. No performance characteristics will overcome the lobbyists.

[rotfuks]

Some have missed this phrase in the discussion ……. Rheinmetall is a subsidiary of Rheinmetall Vehicles based in the US state of Michigan ……. I explain on my fingers. Rheinmetall is an American company with a subsidiary in Germany. (and not vice versa) Headquartered in Michigan. So it is a very controversial question as far as Rheinmetall is German.

[alpamys]

Quote: rotfuks

Rheinmetall is a subsidiary of Rheinmetall Vehicles, so it is a very controversial issue to what extent Rheinmetall is German.

German equipment is assembled in Germany by many companies, Rheinmetall is the same company involved in the assembly of this or that equipment.

[Alf]

The Lynx KF41 is armed with a 35 mm cannon, as well as two universal launchers for placing missiles, loitering ammunition and drones.

Reminiscent of the plot of the Pentagon Wars movie ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Germany presented an armored car,

Surely an ARMORED CAR?
Or simply in the author's notion that an armored vehicle and an armored car are the same thing?

[dragy52rus]

I was also confused by the title of the article. I even reread it a couple of times, suddenly I did not read it correctly.

[rotmistr60]

BMP weight is 44 tons.

BMPs are becoming in weight at the level of medium tanks of the past. 44 tons "flutter like a swallow" on the battlefield will no longer be. But initially for the BMP, the focus was on speed and maneuver - the delivery of infantry and its fire support.

[Cympak]

Maneuverability depends not only on the weight of the machine, but on the specific power of the engine.
The heavy version of the Lynx KF41 BMP is equipped with an 850 kW engine and has a top speed of 70 km / h.
Relying only on speed and maneuverability in modern combat does not help. We need armor protecting against light automatic cannons and KAZ from ATGM

[hagen]

Quote: rotmistr60

BMPs are becoming in weight at the level of medium tanks of the past. 44 tons "flutter like a swallow" on the battlefield will no longer be.

It is clear that the weight is defined in the TOR for project development. Accordingly, the task reflects the priorities in choosing the most significant characteristics of the proposed machine. It is obvious that the protection of the life of the landing force and the crew is of a higher importance than even its firepower. Now you can compare this and similar Western vehicles with those that today our military-industrial complex drives into the troops in battalion sets. What will we put them against their 44 tons of armor? BTR-82A in 15 tons? This is against a 35mm assault rifle stabilized in 2 planes, etc. "... The assault rifle is guided through an all-weather optoelectronic complex of instruments from Rheinmetall Defense Electronics, a developer of a fire control system for the Leopard-2 main battle tank. On the left side of the turret roof is an independent SEOSS-P sight stabilized in two planes (stabilized optoelectronic aiming system - panoramic) of the commander, supplemented with a third-generation thermal imaging device, a high-definition daytime camera and a laser rangefinder that is safe for sight. Installation of a video tracking device is possible ... "This is for those who are delighted with the news about new batches of BTR-80 / 82хххх, modernization of the BRDM and the adoption of the Typhoon-Airborne Forces.

[komandir8]

There are 3 types of brigades in the US Army - heavy mechanized, mechanized striker, light. BMP Lynx will enter service with heavy mechanized brigades. The rest of the brigades are armed with other equipment ... "Stryker" armored personnel carriers and "Cougar" armored vehicles.

[hagen]

Quote: komandir8

BTR "Stryker"

From Wiki: Booking provides all-round protection against damage by 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullets and fragments of 152-mm shells during air blasting. When using mounted passive protection Mexas weighing 1300-1700 kg from IBD Ingenieurbüro Deisenroth (Germany), the frontal projection of the vehicle is not affected by the 30-mm APDS-type armor-piercing projectile from a distance of 500 m.
So much for the protection of the "rest". We still have all under "bulletproof" armor, from 7,62 ....

[komandir8]

Typhoon of the Airborne Forces is generally an airborne vehicle, therefore, light and, by definition, cannot have heavy armor, although it provides the landing force and personnel of the vehicle with the 5th class of ballistic protection, the armor can withstand the explosion of an explosive device with a capacity of six kilograms in TNT under the wheel and four kilogram under the bottom. And the BTR 82a and Typhoon of the Airborne Forces (in the modification with a 30 mm cannon with a turret), despite the insufficient armor of the hull, will pierce through and through both the Striker and Cougar.

[hagen]

Quote: komandir8

5th class of ballistic protection

Read what grade 5 is .... It can be a stretch for barmaley in the forests of the North Caucasus. But the Airborne Forces have a slightly different purpose and a different enemy in terms of equipment and weapons. Although, perhaps our leadership understands that there is no real threat of using the airborne forces for their main purpose today and in the foreseeable future. And during this time, the BTR-82A was shattered several times until it was completely decommissioned in all kinds of exercises.

Quote: komandir8

Yes, both the BTR 82a and the Typhoon Airborne Forces (in the modification with a 30 mm cannon with a turret), despite the insufficient armor of the hull, will pierce through and through both the Stryker and Cougar.

I would not be so categorical given the possibility of additional outboard booking. And our 30x165 projectile is not the most powerful in its class.

[komandir8]

With a 30X165 sub-caliber projectile BOPS ZUBR 11 will pierce - 47 mm of armor of medium hardness at an angle of 60 degrees. at a distance of 1000 m.

[hagen]

Quote: komandir8

With a 30X165 sub-caliber projectile BOPS ZUBR 11 will pierce - 47 mm of armor of medium hardness at an angle of 60 degrees. at a distance of 1000 m.

First, for a start, you need to saturate warehouses in parts with them. Secondly, with the beginning of the massive supply of these shells to the troops, the enemy will change the composite and the thickness of the linings. The fundamental question is different. By the level of protection of a common soldier, one can judge what the top management thinks of him.

[newcomer]

Is this version of Mouse Light? It mentally resembles the notorious "Mouse" of the Wehrmacht.

[Mytholog]

To replace Bradley ... BMP weight is 44 tons.

The first modification of Bradley was 21 tons, now the body kits have caught up to 34 tons. The replacement is 44 tons (some tanks weigh less). I doubt that such a mastodon will be adopted.

[venik]

"...Germany introduced an armored car capable of replacing the Bradley in the US Army..."
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BroneCAR"? TRACKED ???
"Moderators", what is there? Completely "crazy" ???

[certero]

Quote: Hagen

we are still under "bulletproof" armor, from 7,62 ....

Give us 44 tons and we will protect from sub-caliber shells.

[hagen]

Quote: certero

Give us 44 tons and we will protect from sub-caliber shells.

Who are you? The parameters of technical specifications for armament are set and justified by the MO. I just state that the country's top leadership does not yet prioritize personal protection of a soldier in the production program. Constructors perform this task. Samples of equipment are put up for testing, but, obviously, a compromise with economists version of light and cheap weapons is being produced. Realizing that the current problems of the local order with a certain level of losses can be solved by the fact that there are slightly "painted lips" (in the form of 2A72, stabilizer, etc. small lotions). And what you want to have - in the form of a working draft for the time when the "fat" in the funds will appear.